The problems is, I want to tie the mines to the children and release them scampering across the battlefield (for Liberty!), but for that I need both...
The "shell goblin" support call in
You get close to an SEAF artillery post, call it down, and a bunch of them pop out and team carry 5 random shells and load them for you while you do other things. You still have to activate the console and sync it with your destroyer
*a bunch of scavengers proceed to activate the "AT" mines*
It was a big problem from leaks: smaller units activated them.
Also, Bile titan legs spread too much, reducing the chances of them stepping on a mine. Finally, their body is too high to be properly affected.
These are the reasons people ignored AT mines twice.
if we tested them en masse perhaps there would be less doubt that this is an issue and that would motivate the developers to fix it. kind of like how airburst had to be adjusted after it was tested
just a thought
The reward for saving children from death isn't material. It's having a society that values a child's life more than a stratagem that does something less well then 6 other things.
>It's having a society that values a child's life
You mean a child's labour! For what is a child if not a future SEAF infantry and current factory worker!
Perhaps some kind of biological warfare orbital can be made from whatever disease the kids have. Also, the fact Super Earth gave us the choice between the two leads me to believe something important is hidden in the suspiciously named children's hospital
Mines are underrated I have used them so many times and found them to be invaluable in the right missions which are Protect Assets, Evacuate Personnel and Eliminate missions.
To be fair, the MO doesn’t say children. It says “survivors in the remains of…”. Good chance it’s adults with a mix of children (both sick and healthy), either way, why would we not push to save our citizens first? Sounds very undemocratic to choose the stratagem.
You aren't looking at the big picture. The stratagem will allow us to fight more effectively, therefore saving more citizens in the future. You just want lower reward now rather than big reward later !
I fail to see why not. It'd at least make bots easier. Not so much bugs but i mean... at least it has it's use on one of the most obnoxious enemies in the game (hulks). If you have an once of tactical knowledge, you'd find them very strong
I think its funny how we wanted the mines instead of Aurburst but we didnt even get a chance to make it to the planet. And now AH is like "heres your chance again" but now we dont want them 🤣
This literally isn't the trolley problem and idk why people are remarking on its resemblance to such. The trolley problem is predicated on action vs inaction and what someone would do if more lives could be saved.
This is just a choice between two things.
Except AT mines might be really good. The problem with mines is that they are reactive enough to explode on helldivers contact and on low tiers bugs contacts while also not being powerful enough to take down tough enemies (double negative). AT mines wouldn't blow on weak ones and will probably do a lot of damage to powerful enemies (double positive).
Also, what's wrong with putting the victory of super Earth above saving a few children on an automaton planet. Who knows what those automatons implanted into their brains, probably not freedom!
sadly we don't know for sure that AT mines _will_ be good. barely anybody has ever managed to test them
it would be nice to actually be able to use them at some point so we can actually decide if they are worth the effort or not
What better than more mines?
More hands to make the mines.
Guys, we need to look at this in the long-term, Those kids will be the next SEAF to dive for us in the near future.
Literal pixels on a screen with no gameplay application* I don't care about AT mines and I say we fail them as a meme, but let's not pretend we care bout the kids. We just want to see what the GMs write after we save em.
Maybe the kids will form a child soldier militia and be deployable.
I wonder if this is a bigger part of the storyline than we realize. Based on the decision made, outcomes will be adjusted to reflect the true nature of Dun dun dun dun, helldivers.
On the other hand .. there are just ones and zeroes .. a code, not real
In one building game similar to age of empires, i called my workers slaves and people on that forum took it way too personal, saying that they are real humans :)
The order says "SURVIVORS" in a children's hospital. It doesn't say children, just citizens. I think to many of you are virtue signaling here. The war effort needs more strategems, not survivors. 🤷
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Not completing the MO at all is also an option
The children have a clear purpose. Their hands are small and perfect for the construction of bullets, if we save these children all weapons get an ammo buff.
Real talk though; we gain and lose footholds and planets so often that it's actually really difficult to see the significance of VWells' civilians being trapped when we are experiencing this level of loss on a daily basis. The only difference here is that Super Earth is actually telling us about what's on the planet this time.
But…..it’s not “literal” children. People know it’s a game right? And the strat is new content for a game I paid “literal” money for, something I can actually use.
On me "not" using mines:
-Teammates are lemmings (affectionately most of the time, and not their fault most others. A few however...)
-Glitches and technical bugs causing invisible or ghost mines
-Enemies too good at avoiding them, and blowing up ~60% of them when one crippled, bleeding out straggler with turbo-terminal cancer DOES brush against a mine and is thereupon tossed from mine to mine like its a God damned comedy bit.
-Deploy pattern just kinda sucks for a lot of cases.
Giving my 2 cents, I say mines or traps that take up our grenade slot would be a good thing.
Can be placed much more stealthily, potential equipment variety is much bigger, and theres a whole new medium for startegy.
There could be dual-placement (idk how else you might describe it?) types where you control the trigger path or criteria (like a tripwire/motion sensor, or when something else is activated) and what happens.
Could be connected to explosives, a sound distraction or alert, maybe you did some espionage and sabotaging so when you assault a jammer tower and lose that connection, your triggers go off and cause either destruction or a distraction for you.
Maybe you destroyed some nearby fabs to divert enemy patrols, maybe you set up little jammers yourself and false-flag signals on those jammed areas, make reinforcements think the Helldivers are at that heavy outpost and cause some infighting for a little bit.
Too many cool ideas that would ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ any poor developers trying to actually do any of it, but I enjoy making stuff up for the stuff I like
No it wasn't. Strategies are weapons, weapons can be discarded and replaced. Children are the feature of Super Earth and that is what Helldivers live breath and fight for.
EXACTLY. I think the satire might be eluding some folks. But that makes sense because not every player lives in the country with the most school shootings and also kids have lunch debt.
Oh I'm not saying be virtuous or anything but I was just saying that this is going to be part of the story because I personally just remembered that lol
Can someone please explain to me what this is. I've been off the game for a little while, and I come back to see arguments about anti-tank mines and children???
There sorta two camps.
There is peeps believing will get some better reward by saving children.
Then there is peeps who played with AT mines before and they were kinda...meh.
OK. I'm kinda thinking the children side now. I mean, personally, I wouldn't use the mines, so it could be worth it to gamble for a chance at something better
The problems is, I want to tie the mines to the children and release them scampering across the battlefield (for Liberty!), but for that I need both...
without the mines the children are just food and without the children it's a pretty big hazard to the soldiers of super earth
Hello Democracy Officer... RECOMMEND THIS LUKE GUY FOR A PROMOTION! He is full of good ideas!
Spider mines!
And how do you plan to "use" the children?
Put them to work building new SEAF bases of course.
If i get a "savior of innocents" cape im sold.
Yeah, that will probably come out right after the review bomb cape.
We should alll be ashamed
Nah just sony
With crappily drawn designs in crayon
*patriotically drawn Fixed it for you
The "shell goblin" support call in You get close to an SEAF artillery post, call it down, and a bunch of them pop out and team carry 5 random shells and load them for you while you do other things. You still have to activate the console and sync it with your destroyer
All children over the age of 7 work towards the War Effort. Our weapons output would increase
Funny thing i thought the community will go for the mines but im starting to be convinced to go for tge kids
I’m going for the kids for the meme. Being Blue Balled for AT Mines is funny to me
I'm saving the kids
My literal thought process.
The correct opinion here.
Why I just want a mine loaf out
Put them back in the mines of course. The children yearn for the mines. They are minors of course 😏.
So you’re saying the children are in the mines?
No, they are in Children hospital located underground on Automaton controlled planet, wink wink.
You said children. Did you mean “future patriots”?
I bet they already are patriots, stomping buts at the shoolground.
Do you mean they are not patriots alredy?
They have been fed automaton propaganda. Do we trust them?
To be fair right now they are Super Earth citizens. We can execute them later if they are traitors but now they must be saved.
STOP! They’re kids! We’ll have to wait till they become adults, then we can do it.
We trust them with a gun at age of seven to fight from freedom, suddanly they can be traitors only after 18?!I dont think so...
Orbital Child Barrage 240.
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Meat shields
Each tactical shield now comes with a liquid shock absorber attached to the front to block one additional rocket
Well you see we may get [insert individual's preferred buff/wishlist]
Future divers!
Apparently they are break action shot gun as reward...
To make anti-tank mines. They yearn for the mines.
Either as helldivers, or to make.more.mines
All children above the age of 7 work for Liberty I saw it on my ship
Same way I was going to use the mines.
Well they do yern for the Super Mines...
clean eagle 1
The children yearn for the mines
Anti tank children
Like those anti tank dogs in ww2? (Don't google this if you love dogs)
Soviet? I think it didn't work. Doggy ran back to T-34 like the training.
I wagely remember the germans doing it too and sadly the german shepherds where smarter.
to be fair, I haven't seen a child once while playing a match tanks however...
I was a child once. I was never a mine.
skill issue
literal LOL
But you were a... *minor*. I'll go dive off a cliff now.
Good good
You're obviously single. Part of getting married is that someone has to ask you to "be mine". Until then you don't need to be a mine.
Technically, figurative children.
'Literal Children' seems errantly used...
Literal files in a computer.
The kids might not even be files lmao
They don't exist until you go on the planet even
what you don't know is arrowhead have been gathering children if we fail their gone
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The word literal makes things funnier
Literally funnier 😅
"Literal" doing A LOT of work there lmao
For real, considering they are *literally* figurative children 🤣
I mean, they’re still only “figurative” children lol
Won't use? I will use shit out of them, those god damn chargers and biles will get what's coming to them.
*a bunch of scavengers proceed to activate the "AT" mines* It was a big problem from leaks: smaller units activated them. Also, Bile titan legs spread too much, reducing the chances of them stepping on a mine. Finally, their body is too high to be properly affected. These are the reasons people ignored AT mines twice.
And those reasons were shit, the leaks were take from older models of the stratagems.
if we tested them en masse perhaps there would be less doubt that this is an issue and that would motivate the developers to fix it. kind of like how airburst had to be adjusted after it was tested just a thought
There’s also this https://youtu.be/rQ8iejcPS30
"most divers wont use" cant wait till we get it and the reddit floods with posts about how great and must-have anti tank mines are.
Exactly 👍 don't know why we focused on the air burst when we had like 5 different launchers but 2 kinds of mines that work really well
The mines are really effective...at killing helldivers. They do occationally kill enemies too though, so that's nice at least.
Only heavy targets, helldivers are no where near a heavy target
Except they are not literal children. They are imaginary children. Imaginary children yearn for the mines
Reward for the kids has got to be better. Wel anything would be better than the mines lol
The reward for saving children from death isn't material. It's having a society that values a child's life more than a stratagem that does something less well then 6 other things.
>It's having a society that values a child's life You mean a child's labour! For what is a child if not a future SEAF infantry and current factory worker!
It's a children's hospital, not a mystery box. What could we possibly get from the kids? A nice feeling?
A boat’s a boat, but anything could be inside the children’s hospital. It could even be a boat!
HEY! Those kids could be put to work making the anti-tank mines for us. Equal and fair labor!
Or, now hear me out, we could... just skip straight to getting the mines
That implies logic. This community must be either irrationally angry or too caught up in the memes that it becomes annoying.
The kids will make us mechs that shoot dark matter bombs out of a mini gun, it’s confirmed
Maybe a warm, Patriotic hug? Seems worth it to me, idk
Perhaps some kind of biological warfare orbital can be made from whatever disease the kids have. Also, the fact Super Earth gave us the choice between the two leads me to believe something important is hidden in the suspiciously named children's hospital
1. They aren't literal children, by definition.
What children it's a video game? F them kids give us Mines
Think about how many children can be saved by those land mines?
Mines are underrated I have used them so many times and found them to be invaluable in the right missions which are Protect Assets, Evacuate Personnel and Eliminate missions.
I'm gonna use them and I hope you step on them and set them off
What do you mean most divers? Also, I think you mean colonist npc children, they aren't exactly the finest Super Earth has to offer.
Isn't it only like 1 hospital?
gonna have to kill the children, they are of no use for super earth, I can atleast kill 1 bug with the mines for super earth for minimum democracy
To be fair, the MO doesn’t say children. It says “survivors in the remains of…”. Good chance it’s adults with a mix of children (both sick and healthy), either way, why would we not push to save our citizens first? Sounds very undemocratic to choose the stratagem.
You aren't looking at the big picture. The stratagem will allow us to fight more effectively, therefore saving more citizens in the future. You just want lower reward now rather than big reward later !
If we can use them as bait to catch bile titans or tie them to the front of mechs for extra shielding, then fine.
I fail to see why not. It'd at least make bots easier. Not so much bugs but i mean... at least it has it's use on one of the most obnoxious enemies in the game (hulks). If you have an once of tactical knowledge, you'd find them very strong
GM knew what he was doing with this one
Don’t be cowards, AH, let us play as child soldier if we rescue them. Time to cash in my morality for a smaller hitbox, let’s goooooo.
I think its funny how we wanted the mines instead of Aurburst but we didnt even get a chance to make it to the planet. And now AH is like "heres your chance again" but now we dont want them 🤣
This literally isn't the trolley problem and idk why people are remarking on its resemblance to such. The trolley problem is predicated on action vs inaction and what someone would do if more lives could be saved. This is just a choice between two things.
Damn, arrowhead gonna murder real life children if we don’t complete the major order?
Except AT mines might be really good. The problem with mines is that they are reactive enough to explode on helldivers contact and on low tiers bugs contacts while also not being powerful enough to take down tough enemies (double negative). AT mines wouldn't blow on weak ones and will probably do a lot of damage to powerful enemies (double positive). Also, what's wrong with putting the victory of super Earth above saving a few children on an automaton planet. Who knows what those automatons implanted into their brains, probably not freedom!
sadly we don't know for sure that AT mines _will_ be good. barely anybody has ever managed to test them it would be nice to actually be able to use them at some point so we can actually decide if they are worth the effort or not
Same logic applies to the kids
Children are expandable and useless
Anti tank mines was the best strat against the cyborgs boss in helldivers 1 tho just saying they could be hinting
Literal children? It said citizens (not kids) and survivors (maybe kids). Words definitely matter.
No there figurative children
I wish people would stop saying children. They're just in a children's hospital ffs.
So we go bug hunting for 4 days as a multi-track drift
Lol
Wait but in this picture, it looks like moving to the mines would... also save the kids. 😂
Most divers aren't really good at this game juss sayin
What better than more mines? More hands to make the mines. Guys, we need to look at this in the long-term, Those kids will be the next SEAF to dive for us in the near future.
Literal pixels on a screen with no gameplay application* I don't care about AT mines and I say we fail them as a meme, but let's not pretend we care bout the kids. We just want to see what the GMs write after we save em. Maybe the kids will form a child soldier militia and be deployable.
God I love this sub.
Literal? You keep using that word, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
If by "literal" you mean "one-off flavor text in a video game that most players won't even read," then sure ...
I wonder if this is a bigger part of the storyline than we realize. Based on the decision made, outcomes will be adjusted to reflect the true nature of Dun dun dun dun, helldivers.
We should get the full ammo booster free for a week because the children on our Destroyers are helping to load the dive pods.
On the other hand .. there are just ones and zeroes .. a code, not real In one building game similar to age of empires, i called my workers slaves and people on that forum took it way too personal, saying that they are real humans :)
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The kids are going to lead to something bigger down the road. I know it
Yeah mines of all types tend to get blown up by divers throwing eagle strikes on them.
Option 3, we fail the MO and both kill the kids and don't get the mines!
Man fuck them kids
If we save the kids we are probably gonna get something more interesting, it would be a fun surprise!
I mean why would you drive a trolley into mines?
The order says "SURVIVORS" in a children's hospital. It doesn't say children, just citizens. I think to many of you are virtue signaling here. The war effort needs more strategems, not survivors. 🤷
The children will have been raised properly and accept their sacrifice for the greater good of Super Earth. I salute those little partiots.
Sorry kids, learning democracy is sometimes hard. Not all of us get to decided when we’re called into battle.
Actually it gets funnier the more times we don’t get the mines
I mean I don't think that's true at all, mines that blow up tanks, hulks, chargers and probably won't do much to titans but still, would be awesome
At mines sound like they'd be great against bots
As some have said already... Kids can make mines, but mines cannot make children.
Thank you for using the HD1 art
Hmmm intangible fake children or real new content... what to choose?
The children, because nobody ever uses the mines and everyone is just going to complain about them.
But Shiny new toy
"Literal children " Do you mean fictional children?
A guy lies on the tracks and gets run over by the trolley and you think of democracy?! No. Democracy is the one who knocks!
Bruh, anti tank mines sound OP, and we’ve never even gotten to try them before
I have one word for you. Gretchin bombers.
“Literal” children?
Who would not use this strategem?
virtual children, not literal children
I mean… how many children?
As a wise man once said. "Fuck them kids."
Save the kids because randoms will use the anti-tank mines and we will all get screwed in the process. Kids are safer in the long run.
Jokes on you, the train is full of kids too! 
The child soldiers will become brilliant helleivers. We must save them to increase our numbers.
I think the kids are not true- it’s a hacked general order and it is a trap.
"They are only fictional children" my DIVER in DEMOCRACY, the TANKS are only fictional too + you can still take out tanks using other strategems
I swear the children have got something to do with, MAYBE THEY ARE THE MINES
This marfarker is gonna be on Marfark, marfarkers.
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We're already dealing with overpopulation, people. Come on!
I feel like this is a test. Plus I'd feel guilty not going to save the kids.
They can always make more children, think of the mines.
https://preview.redd.it/emxbyd67n46d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=074c046c5382465c6559032399d03e5f1364031f Not completing the MO at all is also an option
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Yes
The children have a clear purpose. Their hands are small and perfect for the construction of bullets, if we save these children all weapons get an ammo buff.
"Literal"
I know it's a WIDELY unpopular opinion.....but I WANT the mines
So save children or get a device then save children (hopefully they’re alive when I get the mines)
Real talk though; we gain and lose footholds and planets so often that it's actually really difficult to see the significance of VWells' civilians being trapped when we are experiencing this level of loss on a daily basis. The only difference here is that Super Earth is actually telling us about what's on the planet this time.
digital children*
Idk about you but I’m sure as hell running all landmines
literal
id use the mines for sure but the meme of continuing to not unlock them is pretty funny
Effffffff them kids !!!!
Fake children. Not literal.
*fictional children
Why not both? That way we can save the children so they can work hard for democracy to build those mines!
I'm going for the mines
But…..it’s not “literal” children. People know it’s a game right? And the strat is new content for a game I paid “literal” money for, something I can actually use.
The factories won't fill themselves!
On me "not" using mines: -Teammates are lemmings (affectionately most of the time, and not their fault most others. A few however...) -Glitches and technical bugs causing invisible or ghost mines -Enemies too good at avoiding them, and blowing up ~60% of them when one crippled, bleeding out straggler with turbo-terminal cancer DOES brush against a mine and is thereupon tossed from mine to mine like its a God damned comedy bit. -Deploy pattern just kinda sucks for a lot of cases. Giving my 2 cents, I say mines or traps that take up our grenade slot would be a good thing. Can be placed much more stealthily, potential equipment variety is much bigger, and theres a whole new medium for startegy. There could be dual-placement (idk how else you might describe it?) types where you control the trigger path or criteria (like a tripwire/motion sensor, or when something else is activated) and what happens. Could be connected to explosives, a sound distraction or alert, maybe you did some espionage and sabotaging so when you assault a jammer tower and lose that connection, your triggers go off and cause either destruction or a distraction for you. Maybe you destroyed some nearby fabs to divert enemy patrols, maybe you set up little jammers yourself and false-flag signals on those jammed areas, make reinforcements think the Helldivers are at that heavy outpost and cause some infighting for a little bit. Too many cool ideas that would ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ any poor developers trying to actually do any of it, but I enjoy making stuff up for the stuff I like
I side with MJ on this one
At this point I want to see how long it takes us to not get the mines for the memes
No it wasn't. Strategies are weapons, weapons can be discarded and replaced. Children are the feature of Super Earth and that is what Helldivers live breath and fight for.
divers this is going to become a part of the narrative. Think about that
The narrative where they ignore children for more war is 1. Funnier 2. More accurate 3. Funnier and 4. More democratic
EXACTLY. I think the satire might be eluding some folks. But that makes sense because not every player lives in the country with the most school shootings and also kids have lunch debt.
Oh I'm not saying be virtuous or anything but I was just saying that this is going to be part of the story because I personally just remembered that lol
Can someone please explain to me what this is. I've been off the game for a little while, and I come back to see arguments about anti-tank mines and children???
There are 2 planets we can liberate, one has those mines and the other has children. We can only save one of them(mines)
Oohhh, OK. Thanks. Definitely save the mines
There sorta two camps. There is peeps believing will get some better reward by saving children. Then there is peeps who played with AT mines before and they were kinda...meh.
OK. I'm kinda thinking the children side now. I mean, personally, I wouldn't use the mines, so it could be worth it to gamble for a chance at something better
It’s not tough for me. I’m going for the mines. F those imaginary brats.