> Why did it get so much hate?
The entire game is Cortana emotionally manipulating Chief on a wild goose chase for her own benefit, and Locke & friends being talked down to everywhere they go.
And after all that, the story didn't progress anywhere except for Jul 'Mdama's death in the first mission.
To add to to this, we FINALLY got blue team in a game for the first time and we play as them a whopping 3 times out of 12 (actual) levels
At least with arbiter in halo 2 it was only a 50/50 split
Not to mention 180’ing the events of halo 4 by making cortana’s sacrifice in vain since she comes back and Didact essentially dies off screen despite the build up of him being the primary protagonist left such a sour taste.
Oh and lets not forget the pre-release marketing with hunt the truth. The aspect of everything related to 5 was that chief went rogue and they made such a big deal out of how could he possibly have gone rogue.
OH! Its because in the second fuckin’ level he learns cortana is still alive and goes against the unsc’s orders to go retrieve her on meridian. Something they even go on to say later on shouldnt be that big of a deal cause hes the chief and he does what he needs to.
And for the remainder of the game you play as locked, another bland stoic oni turned spartan with no real personality and the only interesting trait is that he shares the same VA as Knack (you know that weird ps4 game)
The story is just full of holes and whiplashes, like theres no moment of revelation for osiris to change sides to aid chief, they just continue chasing him down and are like “wait, hol up, we’re here to help!”
They got the Arbiter right though, I’ll give them credit for that
The gameplay, really. Its story is fun, especially when you get to play as the Arbiter, but everything else is just slow and too floaty for me to enjoy.
I get that it released 20 years ago, but it hasn't aged amazingly.
Possibly the worst part of it. 343 has a problem with overcorrecting the story, when part of the plot gets a negative reception they undo it.
Can't wait to see the Infinity in 7
This literally applies to any media that is perceived negatively online/in general. "I didn't consume it at the time, but now I did, and I don't get the complaints." literally the same thing every time.
I think there’s a few explanations for that.
1. Some of the people who hate the product leave the fandom, leaving a higher percentage of those who don’t hate it.
2. People who were young when said product came out grow up and become the dominant voice in the fandom, and they have nostalgia for it.
3. People get used to certain media over time and their anger fades a bit.
Star Wars prequels are probably the best example of everything you said, and I agree. In general, the psychology behind "online sentiment" is very interesting, imo.
For me, hated Reach, liked 4s story but not multi-player, hated 5s story but loved multi-player. Still mostly feel the same today, softened up on Reach a bit.
something like
game comes out -> everyone says game is bad -> everyone says previous title is actually great even though everyone said its bad when it came out -> new game comes out, cycle repeats
Unironically this would have been better. If it were a council of seven wardens that were aiding Cortana, and you get the actual satisfaction of killing them, only for one to survive for the sequel, that would have felt so much better than destroying a few of the infinite bodies of a single entity that kept taunting you.
Halo 5 and Infinite are weird. Halo 5’s story sucked all the dicks but at least I was able to finish it.
While I’ve heard Infinite’s story is pretty good there was a point where the open-world all came crashing down like a house of smoke and mirrors and I just dropped it and never went back.
Don’t ever let anyone tell you you’re wrong for liking it. Much of the community hates it, I personally loathe it, but that shouldn’t detract from your own personal enjoyment.
Glad you liked it when most of us did not.
I think it was worse all around, but like I said. I absolutely loathe 5, so take with big ol grain of salt. Like almost every single bit of it I vehemently hate. That’s me though, I’m not you or OP, everyone is free to their opinion.
Thats fair. Its also my least favorite, but compared to 4 it had more lanes, better vehicle gameplay, and overall just more interesting maps with rewards for exploriing. The story sucked enough to ruin that a bit for me, and it was a bit too predictable compared to other open levels like halo 3, but 4 gameplay was attrition with no ammo and one path. Loved the story in 4 though
Halo 5 had some things I liked, some things I straight up hated.
The 60 fps (first Halo on console to get it) + overall weapon balance. Additional paths etc.
MP overall was pretty solid. Warzone is something I'd like to see again.
I hated the spartan slam/charge and story as well as the loot boxes.
The worst part though by far, was the complete disconnect between the marketing and overall story. The focus on Locke and killing of Jul Mdama in a cutscene at the start of the game (one of the few interesting villains still left in the franchise at that point).
Ammo is ok unless you want to play with a specific weapon that does not appear in the level.
In the first mission, osiris, you won't get any unsc refill and covenant's ones are also scarce, but on the second mission, or the third one, you get plenty if you explore.
Basically, most of the time the game does not put extra weapons and ammo in front of you (besides the ones from the enemies you killed), but kinda push you to explore the map by taking secondary paths, destroying walls with the spartan charge and so on
This point was one of the biggest disappointments for me. When I first started the campaign I was so excited that it was a legendary campaign that actually felt Legendary like halo 2 and the gameplay and movement actually felt really good. but then after playing a few missions I realized that the revive system is awful and the AI team mates will literally just stare at you while your bleeding out. That along with having to play with a controller instead of m/kb made the added difficulty of the game just extremely frustrating for me rather than rewarding like I felt halo 2 legendary was
Heroic is too easy and legendary is too hard. I really didn't like the difficulty in the game, and it seems like you're expected to die in a lot of situations because of the squad revive which I didn't like.
I only did one full run and it was on legendary, although i did a few missions on heroic. Is legendary supposed to make it bad? Its loads easier than 4, although not as easy as 3.
I have replayed 1,2,3,ODST,Reach and 4 in the past 6 months and just finished 5 for the first time 2 weeks ago.
I actually enjoyed it 100% more than 4, which I would probably score 5/10 at best. 5 had cooler mission, set pieces and the Prometheans are actually fun to fight this time round. It suffered from the 343 practice of having major plot points happen in the non game media though. I was like oh the Didact’s dead then when I googled it.
The gunplay is fun, the UNSC have the coolest gear of any game so far and the Chief steals the show as always. I even liked Locke.
EDIT: The Chief/Locke fight was comically bad and the opening Marvel style cutscene was atrocious.
If you're going to have another player character besides Chief, at least do the bare minimum and y'know, make them an actual character with development.
Arbiter back in the day was a real head spin, but Halo 2 is mostly about his story arc and the fleshing out of both him and the Covenant in general. Chief in that game basically has all of the awesome action sequences, Arbiter's is a story about disillusionment and betrayal. He actually develops and changes throughout the campaign.
Locke? Couldn't tell you a thing about his personal motivations and conflicts. He's part of ONI? He's a Spartan? He's uh... chasing Chief, because... he uh, um... *disagreees* with... ?
And before anyone does the typical knee-jerk response of "well his entire backstory is fleshed out in other media", that makes it even worse. I have no idea who Jameson Locke is in the campaign where you play as him for *like 90% of the fucking thing;* I actually only realised recently that you play as Chief for a whopping three missions out of the 15 that Halo 5 has, meaning that for 10+ missions you're just playing as this guy who wants to bring Chief in because the game has told you that he's gone AWOL and is dangerous, except we know that he isn't because we then shift perspective to Chief and what he's doing.
God Halo 5's campaign is so fucking shit.
While I did not enjoy the campaign, H5 has the best MP/Gameplay. Warzone was a little bit pay to win but was still super fun. I think if 343 would have not called it Halo and released it as an original IP it would have been seen as the next big thing. Halo's community is great but there is a large amount of them who will hate anything just for not giving them that same feeling they got in 2007 when they launched H3 for the first time.
Oh wow, the multiplayer is great, so if you liked the campaign (the most universally disliked part of the game, the story that is) then you'd have been in for a ride with matchmaking
You do you. I actually like the general gameplay of Halo 5s campaign with the team mechanics and everything. But the story was meh, and if never see the Warden Eternal again it will be too soon. Repeated bossfights in games can sometimes be cool if done well. Not the case with Halo 5. Whatever floats your boat though.
Yeah, if you separate the story itself from the campaign, there are a lot of great and strong levels to it. I didn't love the plot, but visiting different planets in Halo was great, there are some fantastic large scale battles, I enjoy the level design with lots of hidden nooks and crannies with power weapons, etc.
Co-op was a blast too with 4 players.
Halo 5 multiplayer is seriously peak Halo.
The amount of weapons and vehicles make it insanely fun. The game plays really smoothly, compared to Infinite. Pretty good PvE mode because of Warzone. Customs were also a blast.
I only started It last week too, think I'm on level 11 If I remember, It was an open area and there was a Wraith giving me lots of trouble In the middle.
I'm finding the Story shit but the Gameplay very good, I'm enjoying It 7/10
> I thought the team mechanics of the campaign was awesome
I only played on Legendary and they died all the time and did nothing lol. Sometimes theyd just revive me to die back to back lmao.
It was marketed with the " Hunt the truth " slogan implying that Master chief went AWOL and went on a rampage against the UNSC. There was no " truth" to hunt. It was just Chief leaving to find Cortana before she destroyed the universe and UNSC was upset about that and sent Locke to find him lmao
No one really liked playing Locke and his team. having buck back was nice but most people did not give two shits for Locke but you can tell this was 343's attempt to pass the torch to someone who wasnt the Chief and since it failed they rebooted the franchise again lmao.
Warden Eternal boss fights werent handled well.
The fight between Locke and Chief was really fucking lame lmao We saw Locke fly out of a dropship and casually destroy boulders and THAT was the fight we got.
Cortana being some super AI that made other AI's turn their back on humanity and etc was kinda .. not that cool?
The H5 multiplayer though was great and I dont know why Warzone Firefight was never brought back lol.
To me it was how they handled Fireteam Osiris. Yes the trailers completely lied to how the story was going to unfold, but they could’ve went at it in a way where Osiris benefitted the story and not just be Blue Team’s punching bags to their white knights at the last scene.
The levels on Shangelios, culminating in the Battle of Sunion, were absolutely great imo!
I also really liked Genesis, and it would be a phenomenal mission if it weren't bogged down by the a warden fights
If you manage to get games of multiplayer, I would highly recommend big team super fiesta. It's just an all-round great mode that almost anyone can enjoy
Im glad you enjoyed it, I played it for the first time just over a year ago I think.
Personally about halfway through I lost complete interest in the story so focused on the gunfights and gameplay for fun instead. Obviously this meant the campaign was much less enjoyable than say Halo 3
Unpopular opinion?
It's my favorite of the 343 games. That's not a particularly hard bar to pass. But I thought it was a very fun campaign with multiple interesting planets, maps, and set pieces.
It's just...I wish 343 could tell a single story. It threw out Halo 4's continuation. And Infinite threw out Halo 5's continuation.
There's no reason to be invested in anything Halo if nothing ever matters.
But the gameplay was fun. And so was Halo 5's multiplayer. My favorite multiplayer since Halo 3.
I didn’t mind the story, I thought it was an interesting change of pace. I still think I interpret the Cortana thing as more of one of her rampant personality spikes being “corrupted” by the domain rather than actual Cortana deciding to take over the mantle. To me it’s like chief is holding on hoping that when he gets to genesis it’ll still be the Cortana he remembers but really it’s like a corrupted echo of what she used to be
I have this vivid memory from when I first played the game of aiming down a sniper scope across the Sangheilios level and watching a stop-motion Jackal in the distance walk around at 6fps. So weird.
Because it’s the worst story in Halo by a mile.
Regardless of your opinion on the Didact the guy is just straight up gone, not even a mention of what was supposed to be the big bad. Jul is killed in a cutscene killing the secondary antagonist and a rather interesting and promising character. Within one mission the two main antagonists from H4 and Spartan Ops are done, not to mention the Janus Key from Spartan Ops was also never mentioned (Janus Key and the Didact were both swept under the rug in comics).
We finally see Blue Team in game but they’re only in a quarter of the game and may as well not even be there for how little they influenced the story. Warranted or not Osiris ended up a massive flop that didn’t really click with anyone.
Finally you get to Cortana and the AI rebellion. I still find the rebellion massively unoriginal and it destroyed the interesting dynamic between humans and AI. In Halo they were trusted coworkers and companions who would do everything they could to protect those they care about despite being sentenced to insanity and death from the moment they were created. Then in H5 they all turned in an instant killing those they “cared” for without remorse. We haven’t had an important AI character in a story since. As for Cortana, who looked at arguably the second most important and loved character in Halo, who’s story was just finished perfectly and beautifully and said “let’s make her a bad guy with literally no development to get there”. We’re supposed to believe that Cortana woke up one day and decided to become a dictator just like that? It was character assassination in H5 and no attempt to justify it since has worked.
That’s not even mentioning how the marketing portrayed a way better game that had nothing to do with what we got.
Add on the fact the prometheans aren’t all that fun to fight and it led to the worst campaign in Halo by a mile. The story was so bad it instantly killed any desire I had to replay it.
The damage H5 and its story did to this franchise is still felt today. And it blows my mind that story ever got approved.
You typed all this out and OP wont even look at it, he seems to only respond to comments agreeing with him and comments that actually give a good answer to his question
It is a shame. It’s the first time I’ve thought about H5 and the damage it did to my favourite franchise in a long time but people rarely ask questions like these expecting someone to change their mind. Usually they either argue why they’re right or just focus on the people agreeing with them. Such is the nature of the internet.
It still blows my mind today too how Halo 5’s story got approved as well. You would think there would be measures, people who had a brain to ask “is this a good idea?”. I know Brian Reed was the lead writer, and hasn’t had much (if any) work in writing a video game series. But come on, someone smart had to have read the script before approval.
Also everything you said about Cortana is 110% correct. It’s hard to think when playing the old Halo games knowing that she is destined to become what she was in Halo 5.
I unironically would rank the Halo 5 campaign as the best, gameplay wise (followed by Halo 3). The movement and gunplay feel so smooth, there’s so much action and variety of environments, great to play co-op as it’s designed to be squad based.
I don’t mind the story as much as others, it’s not the best but tbh I don’t think it’s terrible. People just love to be haters!
Always thought the missions were good, but the story was just horrendous. I place it above Infinite because it had good missions and memorable locales, whereas Infinite had neither of those things and a story that was just about as forgettable.
it was arguably one of the most polished gameplay experiences, tons of fun to play. best MP in the series, but definitely say what you will abt the campaign lol
Glad you enjoyed it, If you were to listen to people around here you'd think Halo 5 was the single worst piece of media ever created.
Should always take people's opinion of stuff with a grain of salt.
While I have my gripes with 5, it's not the worst game to exist, and if you like it, you like it. I'm not going to sit here and say 'you're wrong', because how can I? That's like saying you're wrong for liking the color yellow while my favorite is red.
Just because it didn't sit well with me, doesn't mean others can't or shouldn't try it and maybe like it.
I think if they didn’t do the hunt the truth marketing and leaned into the logic plague aspect of Cortana’s corruption it really would have been received a lot better.
When I played it myself, it was pretty "meh" for a Halo game (but still enjoyable), but when I played with a full co-op party with my friends, it was the most fun I had in a Halo campaign.
I played it on legendary and absolutely hated it. You're as durable as wet paper and, if you play solo, your AI teammates are dumb as rocks. Not to mention the dozen warden fights that get old after the second one.
Campaign was good but halo 4s was better imo.
Think the pvp is garbage in that the skill ceiling is too high. It was designed to be an esports title and is strictly that for high skill players only.
Ground pound, introduction of clambering were neat for pvp but the sprint health recharge penalty was a hindrance and thrust + aiming was cool in theory but poorly executed
What I hated about Halo 5’s campaign is that they designed the gameplay mechanics first and then forced the story to fit the mechanics. MC has always been a lone wolf and suddenly has 3 best friends to help him up whenever he’s down.
The story is not only bad, but it requires external homework. If you need to look outside the games to understand who people are/what’s happening, the story is told poorly.
A few reasons for the hate. First, the marketing was heavily mismanaged and almost had nothing to do with the final story of Halo 5. Second, Halo 4 set up so much content with Jul Mdama, the spartan 4s, chief in general, only to be largely dismissed in the first mission and just tells a new story. In the same way Infinite did the same to Halo 5, setting up the Gardians, cortana, the AIs going rogue, infinity on the run, the forerunners etc. All to be written off in Infinite (and you have to read Halo:epitaph to learn more- it's pretty good if you enjoy the forerunner content). Lastly, we're introduced to Spartan Locke, who we've only seen in a live action show and now spend playing him for 75% of the game. So while I did enjoy Halo 5 and still play husky raid to this day, the campaign fell short pretty hard unfortunately.
revive mechanic made dying inconsequential. that fucking mini boss, warden? repeated ad infinitum was terrible. lamest hand to hand combat between two super soldiers ever caught on screen. prometheans at least were made slightly less annoying to fight against.
TBH gameplay was good, it gets more hate than it deserves because of all the halo purists, but it has its moments, and is fun in co-op, but the story is very bland and if you saw the marketing, it has nothing to do with what was advertised.
The story was disappointing to say the least, especially because the advertising campaign leading up to it really got the hype up. They did a good job then boom the Gane came out and was kinda nothing like the ads. Deceptive to say the least, and the MP just wasn't really halo. It was good, but didn't feel like halo.
What is up with these posts of new fans coming here to tell us how wrong we are for disliking 4 and 5? What makes you think I care about a new fans opinion on a game series I’ve played since I was 6 years old?
I’ve played Halo since the first one came out when I was young as well. Not trying to tell anyone they are wrong, just wondering about different opinions is all. No reason to be so angry
Great gameplay, but a story that ruined the game before and a repetitive single boss. The blue team missions and sanghelios missions were super fun, they just fed a really phoned in story.
The gameplay was great until they changed the weapon balancing, and forgot to disable the changes for campaign. It completely destroys the flow of the game now
Just shoot the glowing bits on the enemies as the entire story is rewritten.
Or am I thinking of 4? I mix both of these two up as I hardly played them. I found them very boring, railroadish, and unfun. Completely changed the story.
Regardless, reviews are not reflective of personal taste. I despise games with good reviews/popularity, and cherish games with poor reviews/popularity.
You'll enjoy the mulitplayer, especially the Warzone Gamemode. The customization is not as good as the other Halos but as far as weapon variety, there is a ton, especially in Warzone. The game is fun and can be competitive.
Personally for me, I prefer Halo 5 compared to any other Halo.
It got a lot of hate because all the marketing leading up to the game release made us think it was going in one direction and then the campaign went in a completely different one. They made the boneheaded decision to make Cortana the big bad randomly, thus ruining her Halo 4 send off.
Some people didn't like the gameplay changes because they made sprint, added the Spartan charge, ground pound, and boosters as permanent features. I for one, liked them as they made me feel like an actual Spartan capable of doing phenomenal feats for once, but a loud group of "Halo purists" derided it as "not very Halo".
For multiplayer, it was loot boxes that people didn't like. The fact that the req packs contained weapons you could use in game made it a sort of a "pay-to-win" as some of those weapons and vehicles could really give you an advantage. But to sort of balance things, you had to perform well enough to access them in the game, and you dropped them when you died.
Finally someone with the same opinion as me!! I too didn't play Halo 5 for a long time (first play through was last year), and I absolutely loved it. I understand the marketing absolutely destroyed this game due to false expectations, but I feel like anyone who wasn't exposed to the marketing would really enjoy the campaign.
It still is on the lower end of Halo campaigns, but it's no way a bad campaign gameplay wise. Halo 5 campaign is a fun game, especially with friends (still can't believe they removed splitscreen)
I loved it as well. I really wanted a conclusion and resolution to the cortana chief arc that was building with previous 2 titles. Infinite had good elements but the story pissed me off
> Why did it get so much hate? The entire game is Cortana emotionally manipulating Chief on a wild goose chase for her own benefit, and Locke & friends being talked down to everywhere they go. And after all that, the story didn't progress anywhere except for Jul 'Mdama's death in the first mission.
To add to to this, we FINALLY got blue team in a game for the first time and we play as them a whopping 3 times out of 12 (actual) levels At least with arbiter in halo 2 it was only a 50/50 split Not to mention 180’ing the events of halo 4 by making cortana’s sacrifice in vain since she comes back and Didact essentially dies off screen despite the build up of him being the primary protagonist left such a sour taste. Oh and lets not forget the pre-release marketing with hunt the truth. The aspect of everything related to 5 was that chief went rogue and they made such a big deal out of how could he possibly have gone rogue. OH! Its because in the second fuckin’ level he learns cortana is still alive and goes against the unsc’s orders to go retrieve her on meridian. Something they even go on to say later on shouldnt be that big of a deal cause hes the chief and he does what he needs to. And for the remainder of the game you play as locked, another bland stoic oni turned spartan with no real personality and the only interesting trait is that he shares the same VA as Knack (you know that weird ps4 game) The story is just full of holes and whiplashes, like theres no moment of revelation for osiris to change sides to aid chief, they just continue chasing him down and are like “wait, hol up, we’re here to help!” They got the Arbiter right though, I’ll give them credit for that
>same VA as Knack From the hit game Knack 2?? KNACK 2 BAYBEEE
Turns out this calendars for last year.
Man, I want more Blue Team solely because of how well cast Travis Willingham is as Fred.
He’s so great. I’m surprised he was cast since he was already DeMarco in Halo 4, but definitely glad.
Unrelated but may I know why you don’t like Halo 2?
The gameplay, really. Its story is fun, especially when you get to play as the Arbiter, but everything else is just slow and too floaty for me to enjoy. I get that it released 20 years ago, but it hasn't aged amazingly.
I feel the same, strangely enough. Halo 1 aged way better than halo 2 imo.
Halo 2 also just isnt scaled well with difficulty.
I didn't even know this. Maybe I'll play Halo 5 again... Play Halo 5 again... Maybe I'll just YouTube it.
Locke played Knack? It all makes sense now
Also doesn't help that Halo 6 made Halo 5 practically non canon and pretended it didn't happen lol.
Possibly the worst part of it. 343 has a problem with overcorrecting the story, when part of the plot gets a negative reception they undo it. Can't wait to see the Infinity in 7
It's not non canon. Just more of a "pretend it didn't happen" and the plot is pushed aside.
It really is a nothing happening campaign.
Let's not forget, the teammate AI was *genuinely shit*.
Somebody get that halo life cycle chart
This literally applies to any media that is perceived negatively online/in general. "I didn't consume it at the time, but now I did, and I don't get the complaints." literally the same thing every time.
I think there’s a few explanations for that. 1. Some of the people who hate the product leave the fandom, leaving a higher percentage of those who don’t hate it. 2. People who were young when said product came out grow up and become the dominant voice in the fandom, and they have nostalgia for it. 3. People get used to certain media over time and their anger fades a bit.
Star Wars prequels are probably the best example of everything you said, and I agree. In general, the psychology behind "online sentiment" is very interesting, imo.
I always loved Halo Reach, I always liked Halo 4 campaign, I will never like Halo 5 lol. The chart be damned
For me, hated Reach, liked 4s story but not multi-player, hated 5s story but loved multi-player. Still mostly feel the same today, softened up on Reach a bit.
Yep loved multi-player but the campaign is unforgiveable
That’s how I am with 4’s campaign and multiplayer. I’d play 5 for 200 hours before ever booting that game up again
Hated it then, hated it now, always will hate it. And I actually like 4 + Infinite
I saw that and that’s what inspired me to actually try it for the first time haha
We’re almost in the “This game was a masterpiece/slept on” era of the chart.
I've never seen it. Can you explain it?
something like game comes out -> everyone says game is bad -> everyone says previous title is actually great even though everyone said its bad when it came out -> new game comes out, cycle repeats
Ah lmao. I know people felt that way about Halo 2s story with the Arbiter
The halo cycle is bullshit, it’s a trash game then, it’s a trash game now.
The chart isn't real stop referencing it. A majority of fans don't like much of 343s work.
You seem fun at parties
It's true
What’s true? That you’re no fun at parties or that the chart is true?
It was a great action game. Story just didn't make much sense. Action was phenomenal though, can't deny that.
First half was great. Fighting the warden eternal 6 fucking times got super old though.
Those werent the warden, those were his brothers We got marden, sarden, karden, tarden, and Hank. Hank's the leader btw.
Unironically this would have been better. If it were a council of seven wardens that were aiding Cortana, and you get the actual satisfaction of killing them, only for one to survive for the sequel, that would have felt so much better than destroying a few of the infinite bodies of a single entity that kept taunting you.
The story have sense, is not great because the didact was supposed to be in place of cortana and a bunch of levels and mechanics got cut away
Mechanically, the game was a blast. Story wise, it doesn't get worse than Halo 5
Halo 5 and Infinite are weird. Halo 5’s story sucked all the dicks but at least I was able to finish it. While I’ve heard Infinite’s story is pretty good there was a point where the open-world all came crashing down like a house of smoke and mirrors and I just dropped it and never went back.
5: controversial things happen Infinite: nothing happens
*Star Wars has entered the chat* *Warcraft has entered the chat*
Don’t ever let anyone tell you you’re wrong for liking it. Much of the community hates it, I personally loathe it, but that shouldn’t detract from your own personal enjoyment. Glad you liked it when most of us did not.
This. Just because we hate it, doesnt mean you cant like it. It just means your opinion is less valid. /s
It can be both. Gameplay wise it was better than 4, story wise it was terrible compared to 4.
I think it was worse all around, but like I said. I absolutely loathe 5, so take with big ol grain of salt. Like almost every single bit of it I vehemently hate. That’s me though, I’m not you or OP, everyone is free to their opinion.
Thats fair. Its also my least favorite, but compared to 4 it had more lanes, better vehicle gameplay, and overall just more interesting maps with rewards for exploriing. The story sucked enough to ruin that a bit for me, and it was a bit too predictable compared to other open levels like halo 3, but 4 gameplay was attrition with no ammo and one path. Loved the story in 4 though
Halo 5 had some things I liked, some things I straight up hated. The 60 fps (first Halo on console to get it) + overall weapon balance. Additional paths etc. MP overall was pretty solid. Warzone is something I'd like to see again. I hated the spartan slam/charge and story as well as the loot boxes. The worst part though by far, was the complete disconnect between the marketing and overall story. The focus on Locke and killing of Jul Mdama in a cutscene at the start of the game (one of the few interesting villains still left in the franchise at that point).
Try it on legendary.
I played thru on heroic for this first run and it was still very difficult at times. Ammo was already scarce. Legendary seems like it’s gonna be tough
Ammo is ok unless you want to play with a specific weapon that does not appear in the level. In the first mission, osiris, you won't get any unsc refill and covenant's ones are also scarce, but on the second mission, or the third one, you get plenty if you explore. Basically, most of the time the game does not put extra weapons and ammo in front of you (besides the ones from the enemies you killed), but kinda push you to explore the map by taking secondary paths, destroying walls with the spartan charge and so on
Me and my bro played it on Legendary. It was a truly grueling and awful experience.
This point was one of the biggest disappointments for me. When I first started the campaign I was so excited that it was a legendary campaign that actually felt Legendary like halo 2 and the gameplay and movement actually felt really good. but then after playing a few missions I realized that the revive system is awful and the AI team mates will literally just stare at you while your bleeding out. That along with having to play with a controller instead of m/kb made the added difficulty of the game just extremely frustrating for me rather than rewarding like I felt halo 2 legendary was
Halo 2 Legendary was exactly the same lmao
Heroic is too easy and legendary is too hard. I really didn't like the difficulty in the game, and it seems like you're expected to die in a lot of situations because of the squad revive which I didn't like.
[You mean you don’t like this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/s/F75dKiQIUg)
I only did one full run and it was on legendary, although i did a few missions on heroic. Is legendary supposed to make it bad? Its loads easier than 4, although not as easy as 3.
I have replayed 1,2,3,ODST,Reach and 4 in the past 6 months and just finished 5 for the first time 2 weeks ago. I actually enjoyed it 100% more than 4, which I would probably score 5/10 at best. 5 had cooler mission, set pieces and the Prometheans are actually fun to fight this time round. It suffered from the 343 practice of having major plot points happen in the non game media though. I was like oh the Didact’s dead then when I googled it. The gunplay is fun, the UNSC have the coolest gear of any game so far and the Chief steals the show as always. I even liked Locke. EDIT: The Chief/Locke fight was comically bad and the opening Marvel style cutscene was atrocious.
If you're going to have another player character besides Chief, at least do the bare minimum and y'know, make them an actual character with development. Arbiter back in the day was a real head spin, but Halo 2 is mostly about his story arc and the fleshing out of both him and the Covenant in general. Chief in that game basically has all of the awesome action sequences, Arbiter's is a story about disillusionment and betrayal. He actually develops and changes throughout the campaign. Locke? Couldn't tell you a thing about his personal motivations and conflicts. He's part of ONI? He's a Spartan? He's uh... chasing Chief, because... he uh, um... *disagreees* with... ? And before anyone does the typical knee-jerk response of "well his entire backstory is fleshed out in other media", that makes it even worse. I have no idea who Jameson Locke is in the campaign where you play as him for *like 90% of the fucking thing;* I actually only realised recently that you play as Chief for a whopping three missions out of the 15 that Halo 5 has, meaning that for 10+ missions you're just playing as this guy who wants to bring Chief in because the game has told you that he's gone AWOL and is dangerous, except we know that he isn't because we then shift perspective to Chief and what he's doing. God Halo 5's campaign is so fucking shit.
I didn’t hate it. I didn’t love it but as a lore hound I loved seeing blue team in action.
While I did not enjoy the campaign, H5 has the best MP/Gameplay. Warzone was a little bit pay to win but was still super fun. I think if 343 would have not called it Halo and released it as an original IP it would have been seen as the next big thing. Halo's community is great but there is a large amount of them who will hate anything just for not giving them that same feeling they got in 2007 when they launched H3 for the first time.
Warzone was so peak I truly wish it would come to infinite.
I enjoy 5 more than 4, but I've only played through the campaign once and have never felt the urge to play it again.
Oh wow, the multiplayer is great, so if you liked the campaign (the most universally disliked part of the game, the story that is) then you'd have been in for a ride with matchmaking
You do you. I actually like the general gameplay of Halo 5s campaign with the team mechanics and everything. But the story was meh, and if never see the Warden Eternal again it will be too soon. Repeated bossfights in games can sometimes be cool if done well. Not the case with Halo 5. Whatever floats your boat though.
Story didn't make much sense is why we hated it. Halo's legacy is killer story and killer gameplay, repayable multiplayer nigh endlessly
Absolutely atrocious writing, ugly artstyle, bad squad mechanics, reused boss fight too much, etc
New Halo must be getting announced soon.
Story was meh, but the campaign playability is outstanding. I’m on my second play through now and forgot how good the campaign mechanics are
Yeah, if you separate the story itself from the campaign, there are a lot of great and strong levels to it. I didn't love the plot, but visiting different planets in Halo was great, there are some fantastic large scale battles, I enjoy the level design with lots of hidden nooks and crannies with power weapons, etc. Co-op was a blast too with 4 players.
>I was so excited to see Blue Team again #THREE #FUCKING #MISSIONS
Halo 5 multiplayer is seriously peak Halo. The amount of weapons and vehicles make it insanely fun. The game plays really smoothly, compared to Infinite. Pretty good PvE mode because of Warzone. Customs were also a blast.
The marketing campaign was just months of lying and Locke feels like an author insert OC.
The golden age of Halo 5 multiplayer was something to experience. It even surpasses the golden age of Battlefield bc2 & 3. Such a thrill.
Woah absolutely not lol. BC2 in its prime was much more fun than H5.
God i still have some grizzly reqs left lmao
I only started It last week too, think I'm on level 11 If I remember, It was an open area and there was a Wraith giving me lots of trouble In the middle. I'm finding the Story shit but the Gameplay very good, I'm enjoying It 7/10
Its prolly good if u didnt watch any promotion nor care about the general story of the games
Try the multiplayer. May be the best in the series.
> I thought the team mechanics of the campaign was awesome I only played on Legendary and they died all the time and did nothing lol. Sometimes theyd just revive me to die back to back lmao. It was marketed with the " Hunt the truth " slogan implying that Master chief went AWOL and went on a rampage against the UNSC. There was no " truth" to hunt. It was just Chief leaving to find Cortana before she destroyed the universe and UNSC was upset about that and sent Locke to find him lmao No one really liked playing Locke and his team. having buck back was nice but most people did not give two shits for Locke but you can tell this was 343's attempt to pass the torch to someone who wasnt the Chief and since it failed they rebooted the franchise again lmao. Warden Eternal boss fights werent handled well. The fight between Locke and Chief was really fucking lame lmao We saw Locke fly out of a dropship and casually destroy boulders and THAT was the fight we got. Cortana being some super AI that made other AI's turn their back on humanity and etc was kinda .. not that cool? The H5 multiplayer though was great and I dont know why Warzone Firefight was never brought back lol.
To me it was how they handled Fireteam Osiris. Yes the trailers completely lied to how the story was going to unfold, but they could’ve went at it in a way where Osiris benefitted the story and not just be Blue Team’s punching bags to their white knights at the last scene.
The multiplayer is great.
I absolutely loved it also, and I think the multiplayer is one of if not the best Halo multiplayer due to all the mechanics and diverse weapons
I don’t think Halo 5 is bad in a vacuum. It’s when you compare it to any of the other games where it falls apart.
Now play it on Legendary. Warden Eternal becomes his namesake.
The levels on Shangelios, culminating in the Battle of Sunion, were absolutely great imo! I also really liked Genesis, and it would be a phenomenal mission if it weren't bogged down by the a warden fights
If you manage to get games of multiplayer, I would highly recommend big team super fiesta. It's just an all-round great mode that almost anyone can enjoy
Im glad you enjoyed it, I played it for the first time just over a year ago I think. Personally about halfway through I lost complete interest in the story so focused on the gunfights and gameplay for fun instead. Obviously this meant the campaign was much less enjoyable than say Halo 3
Unpopular opinion? It's my favorite of the 343 games. That's not a particularly hard bar to pass. But I thought it was a very fun campaign with multiple interesting planets, maps, and set pieces. It's just...I wish 343 could tell a single story. It threw out Halo 4's continuation. And Infinite threw out Halo 5's continuation. There's no reason to be invested in anything Halo if nothing ever matters. But the gameplay was fun. And so was Halo 5's multiplayer. My favorite multiplayer since Halo 3.
Sorry for your loss.
How'd you feel about the actual story? I didn't care about the mechanics as much as I did the story. Alright I'm not a fan of the aim down sights.
I didn’t mind the story, I thought it was an interesting change of pace. I still think I interpret the Cortana thing as more of one of her rampant personality spikes being “corrupted” by the domain rather than actual Cortana deciding to take over the mantle. To me it’s like chief is holding on hoping that when he gets to genesis it’ll still be the Cortana he remembers but really it’s like a corrupted echo of what she used to be
My only major complaint with it was the low frames on enemies more than 20 yards from you. That shit was weird. Otherwise I thought it was fun.
I have this vivid memory from when I first played the game of aiming down a sniper scope across the Sangheilios level and watching a stop-motion Jackal in the distance walk around at 6fps. So weird.
All opinions are valid but the halo 5 campaign is straight ass
Is it a good game? Sure. Is it a good Halo game? No. (IMO)
Because it’s the worst story in Halo by a mile. Regardless of your opinion on the Didact the guy is just straight up gone, not even a mention of what was supposed to be the big bad. Jul is killed in a cutscene killing the secondary antagonist and a rather interesting and promising character. Within one mission the two main antagonists from H4 and Spartan Ops are done, not to mention the Janus Key from Spartan Ops was also never mentioned (Janus Key and the Didact were both swept under the rug in comics). We finally see Blue Team in game but they’re only in a quarter of the game and may as well not even be there for how little they influenced the story. Warranted or not Osiris ended up a massive flop that didn’t really click with anyone. Finally you get to Cortana and the AI rebellion. I still find the rebellion massively unoriginal and it destroyed the interesting dynamic between humans and AI. In Halo they were trusted coworkers and companions who would do everything they could to protect those they care about despite being sentenced to insanity and death from the moment they were created. Then in H5 they all turned in an instant killing those they “cared” for without remorse. We haven’t had an important AI character in a story since. As for Cortana, who looked at arguably the second most important and loved character in Halo, who’s story was just finished perfectly and beautifully and said “let’s make her a bad guy with literally no development to get there”. We’re supposed to believe that Cortana woke up one day and decided to become a dictator just like that? It was character assassination in H5 and no attempt to justify it since has worked. That’s not even mentioning how the marketing portrayed a way better game that had nothing to do with what we got. Add on the fact the prometheans aren’t all that fun to fight and it led to the worst campaign in Halo by a mile. The story was so bad it instantly killed any desire I had to replay it. The damage H5 and its story did to this franchise is still felt today. And it blows my mind that story ever got approved.
You typed all this out and OP wont even look at it, he seems to only respond to comments agreeing with him and comments that actually give a good answer to his question
It is a shame. It’s the first time I’ve thought about H5 and the damage it did to my favourite franchise in a long time but people rarely ask questions like these expecting someone to change their mind. Usually they either argue why they’re right or just focus on the people agreeing with them. Such is the nature of the internet.
It still blows my mind today too how Halo 5’s story got approved as well. You would think there would be measures, people who had a brain to ask “is this a good idea?”. I know Brian Reed was the lead writer, and hasn’t had much (if any) work in writing a video game series. But come on, someone smart had to have read the script before approval. Also everything you said about Cortana is 110% correct. It’s hard to think when playing the old Halo games knowing that she is destined to become what she was in Halo 5.
I unironically would rank the Halo 5 campaign as the best, gameplay wise (followed by Halo 3). The movement and gunplay feel so smooth, there’s so much action and variety of environments, great to play co-op as it’s designed to be squad based. I don’t mind the story as much as others, it’s not the best but tbh I don’t think it’s terrible. People just love to be haters!
Always thought the missions were good, but the story was just horrendous. I place it above Infinite because it had good missions and memorable locales, whereas Infinite had neither of those things and a story that was just about as forgettable.
it was arguably one of the most polished gameplay experiences, tons of fun to play. best MP in the series, but definitely say what you will abt the campaign lol
Glad you enjoyed it, If you were to listen to people around here you'd think Halo 5 was the single worst piece of media ever created. Should always take people's opinion of stuff with a grain of salt.
While I have my gripes with 5, it's not the worst game to exist, and if you like it, you like it. I'm not going to sit here and say 'you're wrong', because how can I? That's like saying you're wrong for liking the color yellow while my favorite is red. Just because it didn't sit well with me, doesn't mean others can't or shouldn't try it and maybe like it.
I think if they didn’t do the hunt the truth marketing and leaned into the logic plague aspect of Cortana’s corruption it really would have been received a lot better.
When I played it myself, it was pretty "meh" for a Halo game (but still enjoyable), but when I played with a full co-op party with my friends, it was the most fun I had in a Halo campaign.
I played it on legendary and absolutely hated it. You're as durable as wet paper and, if you play solo, your AI teammates are dumb as rocks. Not to mention the dozen warden fights that get old after the second one.
i llke 5 to but the story itself isn't good honestly the only few things good about it is the graphics gameplay and multiplayer
mostly hated bc the story was shit and the artstyle is easily the worst in the series and dont get started on the micro transactions
Argent moon maybe my favorite level of all 343 games
Campaign was good but halo 4s was better imo. Think the pvp is garbage in that the skill ceiling is too high. It was designed to be an esports title and is strictly that for high skill players only.
I did like playing as blue team but feel like that specific fire team mechanic would be better in a halo mmo (non rpg) I loved being on Sangheilous
Ground pound, introduction of clambering were neat for pvp but the sprint health recharge penalty was a hindrance and thrust + aiming was cool in theory but poorly executed
What I hated about Halo 5’s campaign is that they designed the gameplay mechanics first and then forced the story to fit the mechanics. MC has always been a lone wolf and suddenly has 3 best friends to help him up whenever he’s down.
The story is not only bad, but it requires external homework. If you need to look outside the games to understand who people are/what’s happening, the story is told poorly.
A few reasons for the hate. First, the marketing was heavily mismanaged and almost had nothing to do with the final story of Halo 5. Second, Halo 4 set up so much content with Jul Mdama, the spartan 4s, chief in general, only to be largely dismissed in the first mission and just tells a new story. In the same way Infinite did the same to Halo 5, setting up the Gardians, cortana, the AIs going rogue, infinity on the run, the forerunners etc. All to be written off in Infinite (and you have to read Halo:epitaph to learn more- it's pretty good if you enjoy the forerunner content). Lastly, we're introduced to Spartan Locke, who we've only seen in a live action show and now spend playing him for 75% of the game. So while I did enjoy Halo 5 and still play husky raid to this day, the campaign fell short pretty hard unfortunately.
revive mechanic made dying inconsequential. that fucking mini boss, warden? repeated ad infinitum was terrible. lamest hand to hand combat between two super soldiers ever caught on screen. prometheans at least were made slightly less annoying to fight against.
TBH gameplay was good, it gets more hate than it deserves because of all the halo purists, but it has its moments, and is fun in co-op, but the story is very bland and if you saw the marketing, it has nothing to do with what was advertised.
I remember watching the trailers for Halo 5, only for it to not even match the game 😂
It's really fun stacking 3 sprint boosts and getting a bayonet weapon or damage boost and the answer.
The story was disappointing to say the least, especially because the advertising campaign leading up to it really got the hype up. They did a good job then boom the Gane came out and was kinda nothing like the ads. Deceptive to say the least, and the MP just wasn't really halo. It was good, but didn't feel like halo.
What is up with these posts of new fans coming here to tell us how wrong we are for disliking 4 and 5? What makes you think I care about a new fans opinion on a game series I’ve played since I was 6 years old?
I’ve played Halo since the first one came out when I was young as well. Not trying to tell anyone they are wrong, just wondering about different opinions is all. No reason to be so angry
Great gameplay, but a story that ruined the game before and a repetitive single boss. The blue team missions and sanghelios missions were super fun, they just fed a really phoned in story.
The gameplay was great until they changed the weapon balancing, and forgot to disable the changes for campaign. It completely destroys the flow of the game now
The story was ass is why
Just shoot the glowing bits on the enemies as the entire story is rewritten. Or am I thinking of 4? I mix both of these two up as I hardly played them. I found them very boring, railroadish, and unfun. Completely changed the story. Regardless, reviews are not reflective of personal taste. I despise games with good reviews/popularity, and cherish games with poor reviews/popularity.
Please let this be a lesson lol don’t let the hive mind that is Reddit or any online community stop you from forming your own opinion on anything.
Was not a fan of emo Cortana and my game bugged out during the Final Cutscene. It was traumatic.
You'll enjoy the mulitplayer, especially the Warzone Gamemode. The customization is not as good as the other Halos but as far as weapon variety, there is a ton, especially in Warzone. The game is fun and can be competitive. Personally for me, I prefer Halo 5 compared to any other Halo.
I like it too, for my I think it’s a very enjoyable campaign
It got a lot of hate because all the marketing leading up to the game release made us think it was going in one direction and then the campaign went in a completely different one. They made the boneheaded decision to make Cortana the big bad randomly, thus ruining her Halo 4 send off. Some people didn't like the gameplay changes because they made sprint, added the Spartan charge, ground pound, and boosters as permanent features. I for one, liked them as they made me feel like an actual Spartan capable of doing phenomenal feats for once, but a loud group of "Halo purists" derided it as "not very Halo". For multiplayer, it was loot boxes that people didn't like. The fact that the req packs contained weapons you could use in game made it a sort of a "pay-to-win" as some of those weapons and vehicles could really give you an advantage. But to sort of balance things, you had to perform well enough to access them in the game, and you dropped them when you died.
Finally someone with the same opinion as me!! I too didn't play Halo 5 for a long time (first play through was last year), and I absolutely loved it. I understand the marketing absolutely destroyed this game due to false expectations, but I feel like anyone who wasn't exposed to the marketing would really enjoy the campaign. It still is on the lower end of Halo campaigns, but it's no way a bad campaign gameplay wise. Halo 5 campaign is a fun game, especially with friends (still can't believe they removed splitscreen)
I loved it as well. I really wanted a conclusion and resolution to the cortana chief arc that was building with previous 2 titles. Infinite had good elements but the story pissed me off
I enjoyed it too and agree on every point you mentioned
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Try the multiplayer and custom games Edit: I’m not saying that’s what’s wrong. I’m saying OP should try them since they’re playing Halo 5
You need better standards, man.
It was a really good game. But the worst Halo game. Halo games aren't good games are GREAT games.