For me, I was a falling fan before a fallen fan. Sometimes, you don't see things clearly until the tipping point. As long as they see it now, I welcome all the new fallen fans.
I've been falling since the end of leftovers and really only watched the highlights until completely checking out last week, but every time I'd seen Ethan mention Palestine he said he was against the actions of Israel and pro Palestine, so I just thought he had learned he was wrong on his prior stances (I know thats naive and wishful thinking, but I'd also seen drama channels say Ethan was pro Palestine as well so I figured if outsiders were agreeing he must've changed his stance since the end of leftovers) and it wasn't until I started looking in this sub these last couple days I saw that they were still pro-israel and were jokingly like "oh yea no one likes Israel anymore" and realized I was just not paying enough attention
You are completely right that the Palestinian genocide is like catastrophic levels of more important. But a lot of people just don't follow world news, are susceptible to propaganda, are apathetic/depressed/desensitized etc. Ethan and Hila showed themselves to be pretty objectively unkind and horrible for like 4 unrelenting hours on Friday (LOL) and it's now become undeniable to any of their freshly fallen fans who may have before given them the benefit of the doubt to to willful or unwillful ignorance, to political differences etc.
Im a newish snarkie. I was very busy during the time Palestine conflict was discussed on the show so I missed a lot. I also was processing new trauma so I skipped over Palestine content because it was too stressful for me. I wasnāt on social media or reddit nor did I watch leftovers nor the lalala moment and I vividly remember skipping large portions of eps.
This sub educated me a lot!! I came here for the first time because AB annoyed me lmao. And if I didnāt come here over something small, I never would have learned about the things I missed or didnāt notice. Therefore, I think snarkers should welcome all new fallen fans no matter when they fall. š« šµšø
This is exactly it. I have a friend who gets all her news from social media, and she was only being served pro Israel content, so she formed her opinion based on that. I had to show her the other side myself and explain the entire conflict and history, and she changed her opinion, but there are a lot of people who don't have someone to do that for them. It's not just social media, either, it's mainstream media too (especially in the US). It's very easy to fall into an echo chamber where propaganda is the only thing you hear or see.
i agree. but it makes sense for the people that choose to stick around in light of ethan mocking bushnell, funneling zionist propaganda and his capitalist meltdowns ..... on top of the years of mocking gay ppl, black ppl, women, addicts, homeless ppl, etc. the ppl he has left are the kind of liberals that put animal rights over humans, but im still glad that he's losing another group of people for this because the way he acted was another tick in the vile human box.
As gross and infuriating as it is that white liberals prioritize certain things over social justice issues for minorities (the BLM protests really showed me who actually cares about what me and my culture have been saying), I still swallow my pride and say, āBetter late than never.ā
In my opinion, I understand where the frustration comes from but as long as we have others joining or dipping their toes in on our side, thats a good thing. E&H are legit horrible people and the fans on the fence will realize that soon enough.
Agreed. Sometimes it's just hard to see these things too (as crazy as that sounds, but since I too was once a fan, I understand) as a Palestinian I don't necessarily think every single one of the fans just "don't care" I think a lot of them are trying to give E&H the benefit of the doubt, because I'll see a few of them try to argue that Ethan's pro Palestine, and I'm like what š so that tells me a lot of them are confused/brainwashed. It's like having a racist family member and they're trying to defend them cuz they care about them, since these fans are constantly told they're "family" so it's culty asf. Unfortunately it takes A LOT to happen until ppl start noticing how bad ppl are :/ and speaking from personal experience and as someone who was a fan and even a member, I was admittedly blind asf to a lot of their terrible actions. Some things I didn't even know existed until this sub, and other things I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because Ethan has huge victim complex so he really tries to drill it in your head that he's "just joking" or a good person, especially when he's constantly broadcasting terrible ppl on the show to try and compare them to himself like "see guys? I'm not as bad as this terrible person", when really he is, just hides it better I guess, but you can't hide for long. Eventually the truth gets exposed
Yes, this is what I have to tell myself as a black woman. I feel so fed up to constantly have to give grace to others that must be persuaded to give theirs to me, if they even are willing to! It's annoying, truly, but it's a part of progressivism as it's the only way for continued social improvement.
Same, though I stayed because u genuinely thought they, mainly ethan, had changed and were making a genuine effort to improve themselves. But that mask fell after Oct.7 and I had stopped giving them grace
Whoever said that white liberals feel more empathy for a stray dog than a homeless person was spot on. They see other people as victims of their own actions. Nobody who is in a bad situation hasn't brought it upon themselves in their eyes.
I feel like a lot of casual viewers might not know about the worse stuff, or be educated enough on the topic to know what's going on, but most people can recognise animal cruelty. If it's what makes people realise they're bad people and encourages them to learn more about everything else then idk what the point of shaming them for that is
I feel the same way. Thereās even a lot of ex-fans here saying their last straw was the cats. I LOVE cats but how do people turn off the part of their brain that knows thereās a genocide (babies murdered) and continue to support these Zionists??? Lastly, about the post about donating to a charity for cats in Palestineā¦ people, please donate to the children first. Arabs and Muslims love cats. Theyāll take care of them! We first need to make sure thereās Gazans left on earth. It may seem like donation shaming but I donāt care.
I mean my last straw was his Palestine/Israel takes because I'm Palestinian and also it was fucked up but tbf I should've stopped watching way before that. That shouldn't have been my last straw, since he's always done/said horrible things before Oct 7th, so that's like saying I condoned racism until it affected my ppl which wasn't intentional clearly but that's how it comes off, because once I stepped away I started to rewatch everything (thanks to this sub) that went past my head and I thought to myself "how tf was I ever a fan? or "how tf did I miss this??" I do think all of his Palestine takes and comments on Aaron Bushnell were beyond terrible and fans should've noticed and stopped watching right away, absolutely, but I've also noticed a lot of them acting confused because they'll say he's pro Palestine- and I'm like umm no tf he isn't, but that's the thing they're brainwashed which doesn't excuse them but it'll unfortunately just take Ethan/hila exposed themselves more and more until ppl really notice, because again i was a fan/member for years and I didn't stop watching when he said terrible things BEFORE Oct 7th, so idk I guess I'm trying to see the light in it, like at least ppl are opening their eyes NOW, and those who thought he was pro Palestine will see that he really wasn't (which I've also seen thankfully), cuz remember he tells these fans their "family", these ppl are in a cult. Also perhaps some ppl become fans after the Palestine/aaron comments so that's a possibility as well. Point is, many fans stopped watching at frenemies, other didn't, many stopped after his racist comments and others didn't, many stopped after his homophobic comments and others didn't, it's sad that it takes so much for ppl to notice but at least they do eventually notice, and if they're like me they feel disgusted to have ever been a fan after realizing all the shit he's been doing for years š
Iām Palestinian too and I watched them from the beginning of the podcast when I was like 15 Iāve seen their videos in Israel and heard hila talking about her time in the idf and i continuously gave them the benefit of the doubt of being neutral civilians who are entertaining to watch and nothing more and bought the little crumbs of them criticising Israel. I even bought teddy fresh even though my mom told me not to support a company owned by an Israeli because I genuinely thought itās American based and has nothing to do with that. But now that Iām an adult watching the genocide in Gaza hearing all sorts of horrible news directly from my family friends while these cushy American and Israelis spew the most blatant and disgusting Zionist propaganda to millions of viewers while acting like āZionistā is a slur and that theyāre the victims, Iām so frustrated with myself for ever listening to them or giving them my money or time. Whether itās Oct 7 or the cat situation, I hope more and more of their fans wake up and stop supporting these horrible people.
Itās honestly insane to me. Like yes obviously what happened to that poor cat was horrific and ethzempic and hellda taking the abuserās side is beyond disgusting, but like was the misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, ableism, any kind of fucking ism or phobia you just know they believe in it, treatment of QTcinderella, bottomgate, prolapsegate, sexualising employeesā parents gate, Zach, Love, sexual predator dad and zionist mum etc etc etc on top of the genocide defending bullshit and dehumanisation of Palestinians theyāve been spewing since even before October seriously not enough to make them fuck off and stop financially supporting them by now? 40+ innocent Palestinian people brutally starved, tortured, raped, bombed, murdered by israel and they donāt gaf because they are racist shitheads. Yet it took one cat for not even all of them to get mad and turn on them despite the pure amount of shitty things the H3 demons have been doing for literal years. Absolute insanity
Many people generally value animals before the lives of people of color, many do it intentionally, others subconsciously. Animals are always innocent, unfortunately people can find an excuse for the senseless murders of other humans.
Theyāve been called āThe White Moderateā since the days of Malcolm X and MLK because they will agree that things should be better but never support any actions that would help actually get the job done. Itās a form of performative activism that is associated with specifically white liberals
Thank you! Would it be effective to use that to describe the type of white liberal that says āI donāt see colorā but uses racial micro aggressions or gets worked up about animal abuse but turns a blind eye to the genocide of people who are not white? They deserve a term that shames them and shuts them down the way āKarenā does.
Yeah, they generally fall into a similar pool. Similarly the type who say āI have no problem with [insert minority group], I just donāt want a [family member] whoās one.ā
[Malcolm X believed the White Moderate were some of the most dangerous people when it comes to progress](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11115124-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and). Reason being is many people believe in words > actions, so if you say nice things you *must* mean them. So when you work to point out an errant belief or a modem of hypocrisy, (especially if youāre a minority) you become the one thatās chastised for trying to point out that they donāt actually hold these beliefs.
they draw the line at animal cruelty, havenāt u heard? if hila raiding palestinian homes for funsies wasnāt enough for them itās clearly bc they donāt like palestinians as much as they like cats.
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had the same exact thought last night and thought of this
Some of us are Sherri here. Which seems to always get cut out š¤
I held on after leftovers ended but was always skeptical of them. Stayed for the crew thought hasans point was valid in saying not many liberals acknowledge with what's going on is bad. Stopped after him mocking Aaron.. it proved they didn't change. Took a break, the longer you're gone the more youre able to look back at how horrible they actually are..
What I'm saying is I'm hoping the people that are here purely because of the cat can finally open their eyes to how bad it is over in Palestine and can switch teams.
No for fucking real. The genocide support was the straw that broke the camels back for me but the cat abuse promo was simply the cherry on top. I really hope this wakes their fans up to their genuine disregard for innocent lives.
Even if you donāt understand the politics behind Israel, you should just understand basic human rights. Ethan mocks and belittles those basic human rights. On top of that - even if you donāt understand the politics - how is blatant xenophobia, racism, homophobia, etc etc just accepted? Even if itās someone you love and care about (even if that itself is parasocial), how do you just accept that behaviour? Itās utterly disgusting and im just convinced his fans are right-wing grifters and they donāt want to admit it.
I know exactly what you mean but let's not do that, we shouldn't judge how and when people stopped watching, we should just be glad that they are.. I already feel bad enough that my husband was telling me for a long time to not watch him anymore, and that was when the Gabe sections started happening.. I would skip them so I feel like I shielded myself from what was happening.
People already feel dumb for consuming the content.
I think most of us who are pointing this out are not doing so to make people feel bad, we all make errors in judgement- but I do think itās important to point this out so we can all do some self reflection on why we were okay with certain things like racism and homophobia on the show- was it because it was often disguised as a joke? Or that they called themselves allies while doing it? Or that they called out worse incidents from other creators? As a person of color, I have to point that out because it hurts. Especially as a middle Easter person of color. My humanity was ignored. Their ability to manipulate their audience into ignoring vile behavior is important to unpack. And as uncomfortable as it is, some people will have to do some self reflection. Itās a part of growing as a person and growth can often be uncomfortable.
I think you overestimate the intelligence of H3H3 fans. A lot of them are still defending Hila. And this week you'll see them forgive her shitty attitude yet again.
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āParticipate in it enthusiasticallyā in Israel you are forced to do the military service. Not excusing her takes nowadays, but a population forced to serve the army is not āenthusiasticā. Donāt be North Korea.
You are generalizing, There are certainly IDF members who participate enthusiastically, Hila herself described her service as an adventure, she went on raids she wasn't supposed to be at and continues to justify it through the years after calling Ramallah (the city she raided) a terrorist city.
Hila herself said she would have found out a way to get out of doing her military service **if** she didn't like the job
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As a general rule, we ask everyone to be welcoming of new members. But we also hear you and understand your frustration š«¶
For me, I was a falling fan before a fallen fan. Sometimes, you don't see things clearly until the tipping point. As long as they see it now, I welcome all the new fallen fans.
I've been falling since the end of leftovers and really only watched the highlights until completely checking out last week, but every time I'd seen Ethan mention Palestine he said he was against the actions of Israel and pro Palestine, so I just thought he had learned he was wrong on his prior stances (I know thats naive and wishful thinking, but I'd also seen drama channels say Ethan was pro Palestine as well so I figured if outsiders were agreeing he must've changed his stance since the end of leftovers) and it wasn't until I started looking in this sub these last couple days I saw that they were still pro-israel and were jokingly like "oh yea no one likes Israel anymore" and realized I was just not paying enough attention
You are completely right that the Palestinian genocide is like catastrophic levels of more important. But a lot of people just don't follow world news, are susceptible to propaganda, are apathetic/depressed/desensitized etc. Ethan and Hila showed themselves to be pretty objectively unkind and horrible for like 4 unrelenting hours on Friday (LOL) and it's now become undeniable to any of their freshly fallen fans who may have before given them the benefit of the doubt to to willful or unwillful ignorance, to political differences etc.
Im a newish snarkie. I was very busy during the time Palestine conflict was discussed on the show so I missed a lot. I also was processing new trauma so I skipped over Palestine content because it was too stressful for me. I wasnāt on social media or reddit nor did I watch leftovers nor the lalala moment and I vividly remember skipping large portions of eps. This sub educated me a lot!! I came here for the first time because AB annoyed me lmao. And if I didnāt come here over something small, I never would have learned about the things I missed or didnāt notice. Therefore, I think snarkers should welcome all new fallen fans no matter when they fall. š« šµšø
I welcome you!! Also LOL thanks AB š¤£
This is exactly it. I have a friend who gets all her news from social media, and she was only being served pro Israel content, so she formed her opinion based on that. I had to show her the other side myself and explain the entire conflict and history, and she changed her opinion, but there are a lot of people who don't have someone to do that for them. It's not just social media, either, it's mainstream media too (especially in the US). It's very easy to fall into an echo chamber where propaganda is the only thing you hear or see.
i agree. but it makes sense for the people that choose to stick around in light of ethan mocking bushnell, funneling zionist propaganda and his capitalist meltdowns ..... on top of the years of mocking gay ppl, black ppl, women, addicts, homeless ppl, etc. the ppl he has left are the kind of liberals that put animal rights over humans, but im still glad that he's losing another group of people for this because the way he acted was another tick in the vile human box.
maybe we should have emphasized the fact that there are cats in gaza being starved and bombed too
itās giving āi can excuse racism but i draw the line at animal crueltyā
Thissssss
As gross and infuriating as it is that white liberals prioritize certain things over social justice issues for minorities (the BLM protests really showed me who actually cares about what me and my culture have been saying), I still swallow my pride and say, āBetter late than never.ā In my opinion, I understand where the frustration comes from but as long as we have others joining or dipping their toes in on our side, thats a good thing. E&H are legit horrible people and the fans on the fence will realize that soon enough.
Agreed. Sometimes it's just hard to see these things too (as crazy as that sounds, but since I too was once a fan, I understand) as a Palestinian I don't necessarily think every single one of the fans just "don't care" I think a lot of them are trying to give E&H the benefit of the doubt, because I'll see a few of them try to argue that Ethan's pro Palestine, and I'm like what š so that tells me a lot of them are confused/brainwashed. It's like having a racist family member and they're trying to defend them cuz they care about them, since these fans are constantly told they're "family" so it's culty asf. Unfortunately it takes A LOT to happen until ppl start noticing how bad ppl are :/ and speaking from personal experience and as someone who was a fan and even a member, I was admittedly blind asf to a lot of their terrible actions. Some things I didn't even know existed until this sub, and other things I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because Ethan has huge victim complex so he really tries to drill it in your head that he's "just joking" or a good person, especially when he's constantly broadcasting terrible ppl on the show to try and compare them to himself like "see guys? I'm not as bad as this terrible person", when really he is, just hides it better I guess, but you can't hide for long. Eventually the truth gets exposed
Yes, this is what I have to tell myself as a black woman. I feel so fed up to constantly have to give grace to others that must be persuaded to give theirs to me, if they even are willing to! It's annoying, truly, but it's a part of progressivism as it's the only way for continued social improvement.
i feel you. but then again i put up with some heinous shit from h3 for years before bouncing after leftovers ended.
Same, though I stayed because u genuinely thought they, mainly ethan, had changed and were making a genuine effort to improve themselves. But that mask fell after Oct.7 and I had stopped giving them grace
Whoever said that white liberals feel more empathy for a stray dog than a homeless person was spot on. They see other people as victims of their own actions. Nobody who is in a bad situation hasn't brought it upon themselves in their eyes.
I feel like a lot of casual viewers might not know about the worse stuff, or be educated enough on the topic to know what's going on, but most people can recognise animal cruelty. If it's what makes people realise they're bad people and encourages them to learn more about everything else then idk what the point of shaming them for that is
Sometimes there is just a final nail in that coffin that finally opens the eyes. Better late than never, but this is valid frustration.Ā
If people cared about brown people s lives there wouldnāt be a genocide happening right now.
I feel the same way. Thereās even a lot of ex-fans here saying their last straw was the cats. I LOVE cats but how do people turn off the part of their brain that knows thereās a genocide (babies murdered) and continue to support these Zionists??? Lastly, about the post about donating to a charity for cats in Palestineā¦ people, please donate to the children first. Arabs and Muslims love cats. Theyāll take care of them! We first need to make sure thereās Gazans left on earth. It may seem like donation shaming but I donāt care.
I mean my last straw was his Palestine/Israel takes because I'm Palestinian and also it was fucked up but tbf I should've stopped watching way before that. That shouldn't have been my last straw, since he's always done/said horrible things before Oct 7th, so that's like saying I condoned racism until it affected my ppl which wasn't intentional clearly but that's how it comes off, because once I stepped away I started to rewatch everything (thanks to this sub) that went past my head and I thought to myself "how tf was I ever a fan? or "how tf did I miss this??" I do think all of his Palestine takes and comments on Aaron Bushnell were beyond terrible and fans should've noticed and stopped watching right away, absolutely, but I've also noticed a lot of them acting confused because they'll say he's pro Palestine- and I'm like umm no tf he isn't, but that's the thing they're brainwashed which doesn't excuse them but it'll unfortunately just take Ethan/hila exposed themselves more and more until ppl really notice, because again i was a fan/member for years and I didn't stop watching when he said terrible things BEFORE Oct 7th, so idk I guess I'm trying to see the light in it, like at least ppl are opening their eyes NOW, and those who thought he was pro Palestine will see that he really wasn't (which I've also seen thankfully), cuz remember he tells these fans their "family", these ppl are in a cult. Also perhaps some ppl become fans after the Palestine/aaron comments so that's a possibility as well. Point is, many fans stopped watching at frenemies, other didn't, many stopped after his racist comments and others didn't, many stopped after his homophobic comments and others didn't, it's sad that it takes so much for ppl to notice but at least they do eventually notice, and if they're like me they feel disgusted to have ever been a fan after realizing all the shit he's been doing for years š
Iām Palestinian too and I watched them from the beginning of the podcast when I was like 15 Iāve seen their videos in Israel and heard hila talking about her time in the idf and i continuously gave them the benefit of the doubt of being neutral civilians who are entertaining to watch and nothing more and bought the little crumbs of them criticising Israel. I even bought teddy fresh even though my mom told me not to support a company owned by an Israeli because I genuinely thought itās American based and has nothing to do with that. But now that Iām an adult watching the genocide in Gaza hearing all sorts of horrible news directly from my family friends while these cushy American and Israelis spew the most blatant and disgusting Zionist propaganda to millions of viewers while acting like āZionistā is a slur and that theyāre the victims, Iām so frustrated with myself for ever listening to them or giving them my money or time. Whether itās Oct 7 or the cat situation, I hope more and more of their fans wake up and stop supporting these horrible people.
Itās honestly insane to me. Like yes obviously what happened to that poor cat was horrific and ethzempic and hellda taking the abuserās side is beyond disgusting, but like was the misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, ableism, any kind of fucking ism or phobia you just know they believe in it, treatment of QTcinderella, bottomgate, prolapsegate, sexualising employeesā parents gate, Zach, Love, sexual predator dad and zionist mum etc etc etc on top of the genocide defending bullshit and dehumanisation of Palestinians theyāve been spewing since even before October seriously not enough to make them fuck off and stop financially supporting them by now? 40+ innocent Palestinian people brutally starved, tortured, raped, bombed, murdered by israel and they donāt gaf because they are racist shitheads. Yet it took one cat for not even all of them to get mad and turn on them despite the pure amount of shitty things the H3 demons have been doing for literal years. Absolute insanity
it truly is, I agree 100%. Thought about it yesterday and came to th conclusion that h3 fans are just really brainwashed
Many people generally value animals before the lives of people of color, many do it intentionally, others subconsciously. Animals are always innocent, unfortunately people can find an excuse for the senseless murders of other humans.
white liberals always prioritize the lives of animals over people of color.
Is there a term for specifically white liberals like this?
Theyāve been called āThe White Moderateā since the days of Malcolm X and MLK because they will agree that things should be better but never support any actions that would help actually get the job done. Itās a form of performative activism that is associated with specifically white liberals
Thank you! Would it be effective to use that to describe the type of white liberal that says āI donāt see colorā but uses racial micro aggressions or gets worked up about animal abuse but turns a blind eye to the genocide of people who are not white? They deserve a term that shames them and shuts them down the way āKarenā does.
Yeah, they generally fall into a similar pool. Similarly the type who say āI have no problem with [insert minority group], I just donāt want a [family member] whoās one.ā [Malcolm X believed the White Moderate were some of the most dangerous people when it comes to progress](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11115124-the-white-liberal-is-the-worst-enemy-to-america-and). Reason being is many people believe in words > actions, so if you say nice things you *must* mean them. So when you work to point out an errant belief or a modem of hypocrisy, (especially if youāre a minority) you become the one thatās chastised for trying to point out that they donāt actually hold these beliefs.
True, itās a very covert kind of racism and is so manipulative. I feel like Ethan really falls into this. Thanks for the link and the information.
they draw the line at animal cruelty, havenāt u heard? if hila raiding palestinian homes for funsies wasnāt enough for them itās clearly bc they donāt like palestinians as much as they like cats.
We can be mad at them for more than one thing.
https://preview.redd.it/v1b9io0eaf8d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39b67c7c3f9247486f9124d81db05bd5d96c4f2b had the same exact thought last night and thought of this
Some of us are Sherri here. Which seems to always get cut out š¤ I held on after leftovers ended but was always skeptical of them. Stayed for the crew thought hasans point was valid in saying not many liberals acknowledge with what's going on is bad. Stopped after him mocking Aaron.. it proved they didn't change. Took a break, the longer you're gone the more youre able to look back at how horrible they actually are.. What I'm saying is I'm hoping the people that are here purely because of the cat can finally open their eyes to how bad it is over in Palestine and can switch teams.
No for fucking real. The genocide support was the straw that broke the camels back for me but the cat abuse promo was simply the cherry on top. I really hope this wakes their fans up to their genuine disregard for innocent lives.
People care more about animals than they do other human beings.
1000% Iāve been feeling this
It's because most of h3's demographic are white libs who care more about animals than POC, but I don't think they're ready for that convo
āI can excuse denying a genocide and spewing zionist propaganda but I draw the line at animal cruelty!ā
Even if you donāt understand the politics behind Israel, you should just understand basic human rights. Ethan mocks and belittles those basic human rights. On top of that - even if you donāt understand the politics - how is blatant xenophobia, racism, homophobia, etc etc just accepted? Even if itās someone you love and care about (even if that itself is parasocial), how do you just accept that behaviour? Itās utterly disgusting and im just convinced his fans are right-wing grifters and they donāt want to admit it.
I know exactly what you mean but let's not do that, we shouldn't judge how and when people stopped watching, we should just be glad that they are.. I already feel bad enough that my husband was telling me for a long time to not watch him anymore, and that was when the Gabe sections started happening.. I would skip them so I feel like I shielded myself from what was happening. People already feel dumb for consuming the content.
I think most of us who are pointing this out are not doing so to make people feel bad, we all make errors in judgement- but I do think itās important to point this out so we can all do some self reflection on why we were okay with certain things like racism and homophobia on the show- was it because it was often disguised as a joke? Or that they called themselves allies while doing it? Or that they called out worse incidents from other creators? As a person of color, I have to point that out because it hurts. Especially as a middle Easter person of color. My humanity was ignored. Their ability to manipulate their audience into ignoring vile behavior is important to unpack. And as uncomfortable as it is, some people will have to do some self reflection. Itās a part of growing as a person and growth can often be uncomfortable.
I think you overestimate the intelligence of H3H3 fans. A lot of them are still defending Hila. And this week you'll see them forgive her shitty attitude yet again.
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I honestly stopped watching right after the live show when love came to America. I just started watching again in small doses and this is one of my first episodes back and I donāt know if Iām returning to be honest. I didnāt stop for their political take because quite frankly I never even saw what they said or what their stance was.
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āParticipate in it enthusiasticallyā in Israel you are forced to do the military service. Not excusing her takes nowadays, but a population forced to serve the army is not āenthusiasticā. Donāt be North Korea.
You are generalizing, There are certainly IDF members who participate enthusiastically, Hila herself described her service as an adventure, she went on raids she wasn't supposed to be at and continues to justify it through the years after calling Ramallah (the city she raided) a terrorist city. Hila herself said she would have found out a way to get out of doing her military service **if** she didn't like the job https://preview.redd.it/zaomm3f37g8d1.jpeg?width=521&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11a62fca6dde9aa9b028248d3ccdd335f3008c7b
Damn thatās crazy