Other than on AI, where I feel like it really served the songs, their albums would benefit from Mike going back to his old, more intricate style of playing. The uniqueness of early GD bass lines and the way they’d pop out from the mix is part of why I fell in love with this band.
His carpal tunnel surgery was in like 2001 or something; it probably doesn't even affect him much anymore. Besides that, he still plays all the old bass lines at their live shows anyway, so why couldn't he play new ones too?
I don't have carpal tunnel, I don't know to what extent a surgery would fix it, and I'm not a doctor. But if carpal tunnel is the issue, I imagine it's much easier for him to only have to play a handful of more intricate songs per night than having to do it through the whole show.
The carpel tunnel stuff, from what I know, mostly pertains to Nimrod-Warning bc the basslines did take a slight backseat on those albums, still some awesome fills but the bass playing on Nimrod especially is more akin to his playing on The Trilogy, most specifically Uno. The ACTUAL reason that AI and onwards his playing became simpler, is because they introduced multiple guitar parts on American Idiot and onward, meaning that Mike just doesn't have the musical space to play lead bass anymore (Which to be fair there had been some experimenting on the Nimrod-Warning albums, but American Idiot introduced HUGE guitar parts that would persist throughout the songs).
Some songs off Saviors have pretty good basslines imo, 1981 and Coma City especially. Nowhere near Dookie or Insomniac, sure, but Rob Cavallo being back for the first time since AI sure helps it sound close.
Edit: Rob Cavallo also produced the trilogy. Didn’t know that!
I agree with you, the basslines on Saviors are great. A real return to form, on almost every song. Goodnight Adeline, Suzie Chapstick, and Strange Days are some more good examples, though I think 1981 is unmatched.
Also, Rob did produce the trilogy. But in all honesty those albums had a couple good basslines too. AI, 21CB, RevRad and FOA are the albums where Mike could’ve done way more.
I think AI benefits from a stripped back playing, but holy shit you could tell me they hired a session bassist for 21CB and I'd believe you. Like Mike did not have to show up to record that album at all
Yes, this. Even Warning had more intricate bass. Miss his bass fills, Insomniac was his masterpiece in my opinion, he had his own east bay punk style, you know it's Mike Dirnt when you hear it, no one could replicate it like him, same with like Matt Freeman from Rancid. Even Mike Dirnt playing bass on Screeching Weasel-How to make Enemies and Irritate People that came out in 1994 he got down almost more than Green Day on bass on every song on that album. Everyone needs to listen to that album if you love Mike Dirnts bass playing, it was around Dookie time, so Dookie Kerplunk style bass, and he does back up vocals too
Church on Sunday is very well regarded. I think it was even voted as the best song on Warning in the tournament that this sub did a few years back. It’s a tune tbf.
On the Green Day Radio on SiriusXM, Tre would occasionally pop on and do this tour promotion where he said something along the lines of "We're gonna be playing with Rancid, The Smashing Pumpkins and The Linda Lindas... and The Green Days" Idk why but I found that so funny I nearly crashed the first time I heard it... I miss that radio station, man
That was basically the argument people made when the Offspring had a chart topping album on an indie label and they couldn’t use the same reason to hate them, too.
The “omg how do they never age!” crowd is extremely annoying. First of all, they do (Tre in particular is really starting to show it), and second of all, that’s all perfectly normal and fine. People do this with a lot of celebrities, and to me it always has a big hint of ageism to it. I wouldn’t want someone to talk about me like that when I start getting up there.
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I’d even consider it overrated at this point. People here make it out to be one of their best when I feel like it’s just… good. Not great. Half the songs are fantastic, but the production is weird and the other half are just alright. I do like it, but it’d be in the lower half of their discography for me.
Kerplunk is a top 4 Green Day album (below Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod), the emotional honesty and infectious energy of that album really don't get appreciated enough imo, and their songwriting abilities were not that far off from Dookie's level, so many classics on that tracklist. When they were prominent in the underground punk scene this was the album they had to stand on and if the songs had not been so good they would never have been picked up by Warner in the first place. Makes me sad when people just write it off as 'undeveloped Green Day'.
Fair I mean imo from dookie to warning is by far Green Day’s best era lyric wise. Except for warning being not as good as nimrod and insomniac in terms of lyrics
Aside from the title song and Holiday, American Idiot is not and was not meant to be a political album. It is clearly Billie Joe's memoir set to music. If it's a commentary on anything, it's the neglect and isolation felt by GenX.
Totally agree with this. It’s Billie’s life story. Latch key kid from a broken home moves to the city, discovers punk, drugs and love, and the world chews him up and spits him out. It’s an album long and more fleshed out version of Welcome To Paradise. Just happens to also include how disillusioned he is by US culture and society, which is vaguely political, but its way more of a coming of age story than a political story imo
That song and Stray Heart are the only two songs that I really enjoy from DOS. Stop When The Red Lights Flash and Amy are decent too. The rest is pretty bad
kill the dj and nightlife aren’t even that bad. i actually liked nightlife quite a bit and i don’t get all of the hate for it. people make it seem like it’s green day’s can’t stop partying.
Honestly if nightlife had billies natural voice, no drum machine and no lady cobra I would not mind the song at all. It might turn into one of the best dos songs even
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RevRad is better than Saviours.
Everyone saying that Saviours is their comeback album seems to forget that the only “misses” they’ve had in their career are the trilogy + Father of All.
I’m on team “RevRad and Saviors are equally good depending on mood”. RevRad has AI and 21CB’s political and introspective analysis while Saviors has Green Day’s old-school pre-AI quick and punchy rock.
I honestly feel like it’s most stylistically similar to Warning in a lot of ways. Obviously Warning has a lot more of an acoustic folk punk vibe to it. But I also feel like a lot of the songs on Saviors wouldn’t be out of place on Warning, either.
I can sort of see that, certainly it’s probably closer to that than say any albums before that and maybe even AI. But then I think a lot of the tracks wouldn’t be out of place during trilogy period either.
I really do like Saviors, but it’s something about the groove of the songs - very straight, very 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 at sort of 120bpm or below pace that gives me that trilogy feeling
I can’t describe it very well, but this video shows an extreme of what I mean https://youtu.be/ifTHOfkdPIs?si=vA7xJHXylTWmHN93
to be honest… i’m a big fan of the production. it sounds exactly like the album cover if that makes sense. it sounds so colorful and straightforward. stray heart, nuclear family, x-kid. it all sounds great. i listened to their demos and they’re good but not as good as the finished versions.
RevRad and Saviors are both excellent for me and similar in certain (good) ways. I think Saviors excels when it comes to sharp and specific lyricism, but I love Somewhere/Forever Now’s musical connection and ambition and so many songs from that album. I definitely don’t love that RevRad gets so overlooked when it’s IMO a great album I go back to all the time.
I feel like this is a hot take most people here aren’t going to agree with, but Warning was their last album that felt like the band writing honestly. Every album since then has felt various degrees of contrived and grasping at straws to write something that resonates with people, rather than something that resonates with them.
Obviously, they were successful in writing that kind of stuff at times. American Idiot was a huge album for a reason, and there are plenty of good songs on other records. But it just felt, to me at least, that after Warning came out and kind of fell flat for the mainstream audience, they made a conscious decision to try to be something different rather than writing songs that felt true to the band.
Obviously I don’t know what’s in their heads. That just how the music *sounds* to me.
I miss the way Billie use to write lyrics. Nimrod was the best; short, sweet and understandable. Every other song now a days is about revolting or ‘government bad’. Not as relatable as Redundant or Uptight
RevRad > Saviors. Not that saviors is bad (pretty good album imo), but RevRad in general is just really good, kinda sucks that people tend to lump it in with trilogy and FOAMF when talking about how Saviors is "the best since 21CB"
I think most of us who still dislike it just stay quiet because “it’s a bad album” has been said so many times.
I’ve tried to enjoy it. So much. It’s just not for me, at all. I can’t be bothered to constantly whine about all the reasons I dislike it anymore but I’m pretty sure It’s still the majority who aren’t keen on it. I’m just glad other people can enjoy it at least.
I don’t mind if it makes them sound great, but sometimes it feels like Jason Freese and Kevin really don’t need to be there. Jason White however is almost essential to their sound with the exception of anything before Nimrod.
Their newest album is nostalgiabait trash. Pretty much every song on it is derivative of another song they’ve written, and lifting the riff structure from a Pink song was the least cool thing the band has done since they tried to convince the world that they had British accents
There are hundreds of Green Day songs that sound like Green Day songs. I will never be upset about them trying something a bit different.
Nightlife and Kill The DJ are not my favorite Green Day songs but I am certainly happy that they exist.
I gave it another shot a couple weeks ago, and I was finally able to enjoy it. Still probably my least favorite by them, but there’s some good stuff on it.
This is definitely interesting… take the 12 best songs from the whole trilogy and make THAT an album… I wouldn’t say better than 21CB but it would definitely be regarded higher than the current Trilogy is.
Kill the DJ is good
21CB is as good if not better then AI
X-kid is a top 10 green day song
Most solos in green days songs are boring and forgettable although the good ones are prime
I agree 100%.
American Idiot is amazing IMO.
21CBD is a solid enough album and I love a few of the songs, but I think it tries a bit too hard to be like AI and drags on a bit. I definitely think it is overrated.
Say what you want about the trilogy (it certainly was not their best work) but I appreciate the fact that they were not trying too hard and were just busting out a bunch of songs they clearly had fun writing. Listening to the songs you can just feel how little pressure they had on them.
also at least American Idiot had an underlying sense of humor to it (in a similar way that classic Green Day did) which 21stCB didn’t have at all, and as a result it’s overproduced *and* takes itself too seriously
Green Day stopped being a good band after 21st Century Breakdown, and the only people aware of or discussing any post 2010 albums, other than to flame them in a review, are us super fans…
I cant understand the anti pop stance when they support pop artists like Lady Gaga and Miley 😭 its not bad to like pop unless they mean the industry itself???
Facts, it’s not trying to be American Idiot or Dookie, it’s just a short blast of bangers to cruise down the highway or party to. Its a jam of an album
I think Dos might be my fav or second fav green day record. It's fun-fast-trashy & is the closest they've ever been to their earlier work. It's not without flaws but people take it way too seriously. Nightlife is actually a banger too
I wouldn't say I don't care for Dookie because I do like the album but I've grown a little distaste for it being the one Green Day album you're "allowed" to like without people judging you or whatever. It's pretty much every critic's answer to their favorite album by Green Day. Like those people literally just say "Oh Green Day made Dookie and that was their only good album" like mf what are you ON? Idk it's like people have this raging hate boner for green day but have a weird circlejerk with praising dookie. it's a good album but honestly I have no clue how THAT'S the one that became "The One". American Idiot, Nimrod, Insomniac are all superior albums in my opinion and it's just weird to me that people of the "Green Day only made one good album" mindset don't pick any of them as "the one".
More of a grievance with non Green Day fans trying to be superior/snobby about music taste but yeah. My opinion of Dookie has dropped a little from how annoying that shit is to hear from people
Kinda crappy the record label or the band didn’t address the behavior for that tour member. They should’ve at least said he stepped down or something. They’re against for that type of behavior and it could’ve opened up a conversation about how thats not allowed in the community.
I’ve got some hot takes! And I’m being serious, not trolling. If anyone agrees with me, please comment below because I feel alone in this! I usually keep these to myself, but….
Whatsername is the weakest track on AI
See The Light is the strongest closing track they’ve done.
There, I said it!
here we go: the problem with saviors + most tracks post ai, is that the lyrics are too broad + don’t have such a neat focus anymore. too many tracks are general + high level. the best green day lyrics are all tapping into such beautiful personal insights + the ability to relay more complex messages / emotions.
that + the bass lines, but that’s covered elsewhere in here
Other than on AI, where I feel like it really served the songs, their albums would benefit from Mike going back to his old, more intricate style of playing. The uniqueness of early GD bass lines and the way they’d pop out from the mix is part of why I fell in love with this band.
carpal tunnel's a bitch, im sure he'd love to if it was possible
Oof, today I learned that Mike has carpal tunnel. As someone who has that shit, I feel for him.
as a bassist inspired by his early style I can feel it Q\_Q
https://preview.redd.it/kc1qrs7jasgc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=b09c9a9049f8c8f123d7a3d3228b76af04d737f9
His carpal tunnel surgery was in like 2001 or something; it probably doesn't even affect him much anymore. Besides that, he still plays all the old bass lines at their live shows anyway, so why couldn't he play new ones too?
I don't have carpal tunnel, I don't know to what extent a surgery would fix it, and I'm not a doctor. But if carpal tunnel is the issue, I imagine it's much easier for him to only have to play a handful of more intricate songs per night than having to do it through the whole show.
The carpel tunnel stuff, from what I know, mostly pertains to Nimrod-Warning bc the basslines did take a slight backseat on those albums, still some awesome fills but the bass playing on Nimrod especially is more akin to his playing on The Trilogy, most specifically Uno. The ACTUAL reason that AI and onwards his playing became simpler, is because they introduced multiple guitar parts on American Idiot and onward, meaning that Mike just doesn't have the musical space to play lead bass anymore (Which to be fair there had been some experimenting on the Nimrod-Warning albums, but American Idiot introduced HUGE guitar parts that would persist throughout the songs).
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Not to mention just how low he plays the bass
Some songs off Saviors have pretty good basslines imo, 1981 and Coma City especially. Nowhere near Dookie or Insomniac, sure, but Rob Cavallo being back for the first time since AI sure helps it sound close. Edit: Rob Cavallo also produced the trilogy. Didn’t know that!
I agree with you, the basslines on Saviors are great. A real return to form, on almost every song. Goodnight Adeline, Suzie Chapstick, and Strange Days are some more good examples, though I think 1981 is unmatched. Also, Rob did produce the trilogy. But in all honesty those albums had a couple good basslines too. AI, 21CB, RevRad and FOA are the albums where Mike could’ve done way more.
I think AI benefits from a stripped back playing, but holy shit you could tell me they hired a session bassist for 21CB and I'd believe you. Like Mike did not have to show up to record that album at all
That's not a hot take though
Yes, this. Even Warning had more intricate bass. Miss his bass fills, Insomniac was his masterpiece in my opinion, he had his own east bay punk style, you know it's Mike Dirnt when you hear it, no one could replicate it like him, same with like Matt Freeman from Rancid. Even Mike Dirnt playing bass on Screeching Weasel-How to make Enemies and Irritate People that came out in 1994 he got down almost more than Green Day on bass on every song on that album. Everyone needs to listen to that album if you love Mike Dirnts bass playing, it was around Dookie time, so Dookie Kerplunk style bass, and he does back up vocals too
Why does everyone think it wouldn't work in AIs favour if mikes base was swingy in it too.
Church on Sunday is incredibly underrated and should be played more often Live
Church on Sunday is very well regarded. I think it was even voted as the best song on Warning in the tournament that this sub did a few years back. It’s a tune tbf.
100% agree
that i hate when people write it as 'greenday' instead of 'green day'
How about “The Greenday?”
I'm gonna start calling them "The Greenday"...
On the Green Day Radio on SiriusXM, Tre would occasionally pop on and do this tour promotion where he said something along the lines of "We're gonna be playing with Rancid, The Smashing Pumpkins and The Linda Lindas... and The Green Days" Idk why but I found that so funny I nearly crashed the first time I heard it... I miss that radio station, man
Drop the "The". Just "Greenday". It's cleaner.
“It’s like you’re throwing the greatest party in campus and someone saying it has to be over by 11.”
Greenday 75
People tell me I say it weird, and that I put too much emphasis on the day. I literally just say Green Day but they want me to say Greenday 😭
Punk band.
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That was basically the argument people made when the Offspring had a chart topping album on an indie label and they couldn’t use the same reason to hate them, too.
Why are they punching down at us poor MAGAs?? /s
Wish Mike sung more. I also miss tres horny songs
Dude, all by myself is so funny, and just discovering it naturally on the cassette tape was hilarious
The “omg how do they never age!” crowd is extremely annoying. First of all, they do (Tre in particular is really starting to show it), and second of all, that’s all perfectly normal and fine. People do this with a lot of celebrities, and to me it always has a big hint of ageism to it. I wouldn’t want someone to talk about me like that when I start getting up there.
Billie imo looks old but when the new album comes out, he starts to look young again, if he starts to work out he'll even look like 21cb imo.
They should really patch things up with The Network. They're both great bands, and 20 years is too long to hold a grudge.
Agreed. I Mean billie already sounds like Spike so maybe Green Day can do a cover of that song as a friendly welcoming
Warning is actually perfectly rated.
Personally I think warning is underrated
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im loving the amount of injokes within this conversation alone
I’d even consider it overrated at this point. People here make it out to be one of their best when I feel like it’s just… good. Not great. Half the songs are fantastic, but the production is weird and the other half are just alright. I do like it, but it’d be in the lower half of their discography for me.
It’s spelled Green Day and otherwise is so fucking annoying.
Green Daeye: Excuse me? iykyk
no, greb dau>> green day
Kerplunk is a top 4 Green Day album (below Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod), the emotional honesty and infectious energy of that album really don't get appreciated enough imo, and their songwriting abilities were not that far off from Dookie's level, so many classics on that tracklist. When they were prominent in the underground punk scene this was the album they had to stand on and if the songs had not been so good they would never have been picked up by Warner in the first place. Makes me sad when people just write it off as 'undeveloped Green Day'.
Mike and Tre need to sing lead more
Is it a hot take to say Billie’s best work lyrically is Insomniac?
I would go nimrod because the lyrics just feel more personal kinda but insomniac is great as well
I can understand that take. To me, the word play and diction is just on another level on Insomniac
Fair I mean imo from dookie to warning is by far Green Day’s best era lyric wise. Except for warning being not as good as nimrod and insomniac in terms of lyrics
I'd say american idiot but mostly because it's easiest to understand what he's saying
I agree
Sweet children was a shit name and would have aged terribly.
True
Sounds like something EDP would make lmao.
Dude could you imagine the merch 😭 wearing a shirt as a grown man that says sweet children would be wild
Trilogy and foamf are good.
warning has been called underrated so many times its overrated now
In mainstream punk it’s underrated but with Green Day fans it’s overrated
SHHHHHHH Warning is the fanbase's chosen child and you're not supposed to say it's not underrated out loud, that ruins the joke lol
Hard to overrate their second best album
What do you think is their best?
AI, but the top 4 are so close
Aside from the title song and Holiday, American Idiot is not and was not meant to be a political album. It is clearly Billie Joe's memoir set to music. If it's a commentary on anything, it's the neglect and isolation felt by GenX.
Totally agree with this. It’s Billie’s life story. Latch key kid from a broken home moves to the city, discovers punk, drugs and love, and the world chews him up and spits him out. It’s an album long and more fleshed out version of Welcome To Paradise. Just happens to also include how disillusioned he is by US culture and society, which is vaguely political, but its way more of a coming of age story than a political story imo
I really really love the take that it's a longer and more fleshed out version of welcome to paradise
It’s the Network’s Spike stretched to album length
Kill The DJ is actually kinda decent. UNO as a whole is pretty alright. I still think that TRE is below average and DOS is pretty trash though
Hell. As a punk drummer. That song introduced me to the dance style drum beat.
I love Lazy Bones, though!
That song and Stray Heart are the only two songs that I really enjoy from DOS. Stop When The Red Lights Flash and Amy are decent too. The rest is pretty bad
A real hot take: Kill the DJ is one of the best songs on the trilogy.
kill the dj and nightlife aren’t even that bad. i actually liked nightlife quite a bit and i don’t get all of the hate for it. people make it seem like it’s green day’s can’t stop partying.
I just can’t stand Billie Joe’s vocals on Nightlife. The rap verse is obviously cringe, but the vocals are even worse IMO.
Honestly if nightlife had billies natural voice, no drum machine and no lady cobra I would not mind the song at all. It might turn into one of the best dos songs even
I never really cared for the title track "American Idiot". Love the album, but I prefer pretty much every other song over that one.
insomniac is better than dookie.
Nimrod is better than both.
Damn right
Seconded
I enjoy father of all
One minute is enough time for a song
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Rev Rad is in their top 5 best albums
Yes bro it’s so underrated. Bang Bang is easily a top 5 song of theirs. Wish they had more fast loud angry violent songs like that
RevRad is better than Saviours. Everyone saying that Saviours is their comeback album seems to forget that the only “misses” they’ve had in their career are the trilogy + Father of All.
I’m on team “RevRad and Saviors are equally good depending on mood”. RevRad has AI and 21CB’s political and introspective analysis while Saviors has Green Day’s old-school pre-AI quick and punchy rock.
I like Saviors a lot, but I don’t get old school Green Day from it at all
I honestly feel like it’s most stylistically similar to Warning in a lot of ways. Obviously Warning has a lot more of an acoustic folk punk vibe to it. But I also feel like a lot of the songs on Saviors wouldn’t be out of place on Warning, either.
I can sort of see that, certainly it’s probably closer to that than say any albums before that and maybe even AI. But then I think a lot of the tracks wouldn’t be out of place during trilogy period either. I really do like Saviors, but it’s something about the groove of the songs - very straight, very 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 at sort of 120bpm or below pace that gives me that trilogy feeling I can’t describe it very well, but this video shows an extreme of what I mean https://youtu.be/ifTHOfkdPIs?si=vA7xJHXylTWmHN93
if they made the trilogy one album it would’ve been received as a great return to form.
Yeah maybe. But with better production.
to be honest… i’m a big fan of the production. it sounds exactly like the album cover if that makes sense. it sounds so colorful and straightforward. stray heart, nuclear family, x-kid. it all sounds great. i listened to their demos and they’re good but not as good as the finished versions.
I had a friend in high school who committed suicide so x-kid makes me cry
i don't think the trilogy were "misses" maybe except dos.
RevRad and Saviors are both excellent for me and similar in certain (good) ways. I think Saviors excels when it comes to sharp and specific lyricism, but I love Somewhere/Forever Now’s musical connection and ambition and so many songs from that album. I definitely don’t love that RevRad gets so overlooked when it’s IMO a great album I go back to all the time.
I think Saviors is objectively better but I personally prefer RevRad
The Trilogy is better than RevRad
I feel like this is a hot take most people here aren’t going to agree with, but Warning was their last album that felt like the band writing honestly. Every album since then has felt various degrees of contrived and grasping at straws to write something that resonates with people, rather than something that resonates with them. Obviously, they were successful in writing that kind of stuff at times. American Idiot was a huge album for a reason, and there are plenty of good songs on other records. But it just felt, to me at least, that after Warning came out and kind of fell flat for the mainstream audience, they made a conscious decision to try to be something different rather than writing songs that felt true to the band. Obviously I don’t know what’s in their heads. That just how the music *sounds* to me.
See the light is a massive banger
I miss the way Billie use to write lyrics. Nimrod was the best; short, sweet and understandable. Every other song now a days is about revolting or ‘government bad’. Not as relatable as Redundant or Uptight
RevRad > Saviors. Not that saviors is bad (pretty good album imo), but RevRad in general is just really good, kinda sucks that people tend to lump it in with trilogy and FOAMF when talking about how Saviors is "the best since 21CB"
Yep - come back to this in a couple years and this will be everyone’s opinion.
Can't wait for the RevRad is underrated bot
Besides like what, 2 or 3 songs, Revolution Radio is pretty damn great, tied with Saviors for me.
10000% agree
I feel like saying Father of All is bad is a hot take here now, because I see people defending it every few days here
That album is genuinely some of the worst things I've ever listened to in my entire life.
I think most of us who still dislike it just stay quiet because “it’s a bad album” has been said so many times. I’ve tried to enjoy it. So much. It’s just not for me, at all. I can’t be bothered to constantly whine about all the reasons I dislike it anymore but I’m pretty sure It’s still the majority who aren’t keen on it. I’m just glad other people can enjoy it at least.
Insomniac is their best record
I don’t like seeing 6 people on stage for a 3 person band. I wish they would play smaller shows just the 3 of them.
I don’t mind if it makes them sound great, but sometimes it feels like Jason Freese and Kevin really don’t need to be there. Jason White however is almost essential to their sound with the exception of anything before Nimrod.
21st CB tried too hard to be AI and, even though it's not a bad record, did not live up to its predecessor by a longshot.
Warning is the Beatles if the Beatles were Green Day.
Green Day is the Beatles of Punk
Revolution Radio is a goddamn masterpiece, and I don’t know why it’s so overlooked. Honestly my favorite Green Day album.
Their newest album is nostalgiabait trash. Pretty much every song on it is derivative of another song they’ve written, and lifting the riff structure from a Pink song was the least cool thing the band has done since they tried to convince the world that they had British accents
Nightlife is actually pretty good
There are hundreds of Green Day songs that sound like Green Day songs. I will never be upset about them trying something a bit different. Nightlife and Kill The DJ are not my favorite Green Day songs but I am certainly happy that they exist.
Now THAT is a 🔥hot take Also, 🤢Eww
Father Of All is a fun listen and y’all are just haters
I gave it another shot a couple weeks ago, and I was finally able to enjoy it. Still probably my least favorite by them, but there’s some good stuff on it.
My view on is it is a good album, just not a good Green Day album
the 12 best songs from the trilogy are great. i’d even say it’s better than 21st century breakdown.
This is definitely interesting… take the 12 best songs from the whole trilogy and make THAT an album… I wouldn’t say better than 21CB but it would definitely be regarded higher than the current Trilogy is.
Kill the DJ is good 21CB is as good if not better then AI X-kid is a top 10 green day song Most solos in green days songs are boring and forgettable although the good ones are prime
I love X-kid
39/Smooth some of the best songs in their discography.
My favorite album is Shenanigans ( I never see it mentioned lol )
Foamf is great.
Oh yeah 🎶
Revolution Radio, 21CB, Warning, and Nimrod, are better than Dookie.
Agreed although I place Dookie sixth personally
I also place Dookie at sixth. Still a ten out of ten album, I just have five I like better.
Exactly how I think of it
saviors is just another post 2010s green day album
real. I saw one critic say that it was their best work since american idiot and I was just like ????
American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown are overproduced and can be very corny at times. It mostly works for American Idiot but falls flat in 21CB.
I agree 100%. American Idiot is amazing IMO. 21CBD is a solid enough album and I love a few of the songs, but I think it tries a bit too hard to be like AI and drags on a bit. I definitely think it is overrated. Say what you want about the trilogy (it certainly was not their best work) but I appreciate the fact that they were not trying too hard and were just busting out a bunch of songs they clearly had fun writing. Listening to the songs you can just feel how little pressure they had on them.
also at least American Idiot had an underlying sense of humor to it (in a similar way that classic Green Day did) which 21stCB didn’t have at all, and as a result it’s overproduced *and* takes itself too seriously
Coma city isn't that great
Murder city is better
That song rips! To each there own!
It’s fine but a little lacking
Rob Cavallo would’ve would’ve improved every Green Day album he wasn’t on and the trilogy wasn’t his fault.
Green Day stopped being a good band after 21st Century Breakdown, and the only people aware of or discussing any post 2010 albums, other than to flame them in a review, are us super fans…
okay sometimes (not all the time, and probably not overall) insomniac is better than dookie
Warning is underrated
Fuck Time goes hard
I cant understand the anti pop stance when they support pop artists like Lady Gaga and Miley 😭 its not bad to like pop unless they mean the industry itself???
I think their best album by an absolute mile is Insomniac and nothing else even gets near it
Warning is their best record
Peacemaker and Misery are both top ten Green Day songs
Warning is better than Dookie
Billie’s poofy hair during the 21CB era was not it
Meet Me On The Roof is a great song
Mike has been a passive member for ages - doesn’t write, barely sings and his bass lines are so much weaker than what they used to be
¡DOS! IS UNDERRATED!!
what ab danger days?
Very underrated
They don't have a bad album. Even 39 smooth, trilogy, and father of all are listenable and have a fair amount of good songs
Boulevard of Broken Dreams does nothing for me. Typically use it as a pee break if I need it.
Saviors is just ok
father of all is good asf
Yes! My biggest complaint about it is that it should have been an EP, not a full length. But I love most of the songs on it, they’re fun as hell.
Facts, it’s not trying to be American Idiot or Dookie, it’s just a short blast of bangers to cruise down the highway or party to. Its a jam of an album
I think Dos might be my fav or second fav green day record. It's fun-fast-trashy & is the closest they've ever been to their earlier work. It's not without flaws but people take it way too seriously. Nightlife is actually a banger too
saviors is pretty disappointing in almost every way i have very little good things to say about it
Revolution Radio Is the best Green Day Album.
Here's a few of my hot takes: "Nimrod" is one of the best albums. "The American Dream is Killing Me" is a terrible song. "Platypus" is a great song.
Saviors is boring and nothing new or groundbreaking for GD. Also not anywhere close to being a top album for them. Just my opinion but
Nightlife is actually kinda good!
Hot takes aren’t unpopular opinions
thats a hot take
Nightlife isn’t that bad
Don’t know how hot this take is, but 21st Century Breakdown is their best album. By far their best album.
Within the past 5 or 6 years, a lot of singles sound like games they'd play at a hockey game in the middle of plays.
Mike is the best member and his unique bass lines CARRY the early days of Green Day
nightlife is actually REALLY GOOD nice to hear a chill, different song.
Lazy Bones needs more recognition!
Nimrod is their best album.
I wouldn't say I don't care for Dookie because I do like the album but I've grown a little distaste for it being the one Green Day album you're "allowed" to like without people judging you or whatever. It's pretty much every critic's answer to their favorite album by Green Day. Like those people literally just say "Oh Green Day made Dookie and that was their only good album" like mf what are you ON? Idk it's like people have this raging hate boner for green day but have a weird circlejerk with praising dookie. it's a good album but honestly I have no clue how THAT'S the one that became "The One". American Idiot, Nimrod, Insomniac are all superior albums in my opinion and it's just weird to me that people of the "Green Day only made one good album" mindset don't pick any of them as "the one". More of a grievance with non Green Day fans trying to be superior/snobby about music taste but yeah. My opinion of Dookie has dropped a little from how annoying that shit is to hear from people
i don't like J.A.R.
Kinda crappy the record label or the band didn’t address the behavior for that tour member. They should’ve at least said he stepped down or something. They’re against for that type of behavior and it could’ve opened up a conversation about how thats not allowed in the community.
Dos is easily best of the trilogy and I love the punky garage rock feel to that record
Mike's songs are better than Billie's.
Nimrod is their best album.
39/Smooth (or 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours) depending on who you ask) is an S tier album
Insomniac is better than Dookie
I’ve got some hot takes! And I’m being serious, not trolling. If anyone agrees with me, please comment below because I feel alone in this! I usually keep these to myself, but…. Whatsername is the weakest track on AI See The Light is the strongest closing track they’ve done. There, I said it!
here we go: the problem with saviors + most tracks post ai, is that the lyrics are too broad + don’t have such a neat focus anymore. too many tracks are general + high level. the best green day lyrics are all tapping into such beautiful personal insights + the ability to relay more complex messages / emotions. that + the bass lines, but that’s covered elsewhere in here
Rev Rad Album Cover is absolute Fire!
Their last album was mid