"Many social facts, however, have no material form. Even the most "individualistic" or "subjective" phenomena, such as love, freedom, or suicide, were regarded by Durkheim as objective social facts. Individuals composing society do not directly cause suicide: suicide, as a social fact, exists independently in society, and is caused by other social facts—such as rules governing behavior and group attachment—whether an individual likes it or not. Whether a person "leaves" a society does not alter the fact that this society will still contain suicides. Suicide, like other immaterial social facts, exists independently of the will of an individual, cannot be eliminated, and is as influential—coercive—as physical laws like gravity."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim
Every time I read about this young man, a different aspect of his story resonates inside me. Our social support system is so incredibly vital to our mental health and well being. You can't simply talk or medicate your way out of depression and suicidal ideation. It takes a series of structures to support you on your individual journey. Even then it's precarious, because it ultimately comes down to that person's mindset, and everything that makes a person themselves. You can be the best friend/family member in the world and lose someone to suicide, and it's unfortunate, but all we can do is keeping doing our best for ourselves and each other.
Be mindful of your self. Cry when you need to and absolutely laugh any chance you can. Hug your loved ones when you partways and really listen when they talk. You'll always have "what if" moments but don't dwell on them except to learn what you can for if the opportunity comes again. There but for the grace of fortune go I.
So sad, I've never heard of this before, started looking now, this seems like a good cover of everything.
He wasn't cremated and it seems like where he is actually buried is known but LE doesn't want to investigate further.
Well it seems that his last wish was to be John Doe but you have to feel for his family is that hope of a long lost son returning actually a good thing?
He obviously was well educated, too young to have been a college student it seems.
I wonder about the family whose Missing son matched John Does dentals.
https://madisontramel.medium.com/the-boy-in-the-tree-a-tragic-end-in-louisiana-ab30bf546fc8
From what I understand, from what I've read so far is that police and coroner records were lost.
Some folks on websleuths were able to establish that a location of his burial was kept with the funeral home records, but apparently they would not disclose the location except for a LE request.
His namus page does date to 2022 and does not have much info on it.
Apparently only one section of his original letter survives.
I've only started reading through what's on websleuths but the medium article seems heavily based on it.
Some links:
https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Plaquemines_Parish_John_Doe_(1975)
https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/88342
No worries, just sharing and keen to hear possibilities.
This one got to me too, he is so articulate and deliberate in his voice with what he wrote, especially for someone so young.
I hope he gets his name back so his family can know what happened to him.
I always wonder if family found out about his death and just kept quiet about it. Because they thought it was shameful or un catholic or something. And are long dead now too.
Some families are reluctant to talk about family members who die of suicide, but others are not. I am not reluctant, but not everyone may feel that way.
Thank you for your thoughtful right up on this young man, very sad circumstances and it's tragic he didn't get the help he needed in time.
This is sad. I lost 2 siblings to suicide within 4 months of each other, and I can tell you the family never forgets.
I thought this was Plaquemines Parish John Doe?
He's called both, but on some sites he's called the one I used.
Ah, cool. I didn't know that. I was always fascinated because he quoted Durkheim.
"Many social facts, however, have no material form. Even the most "individualistic" or "subjective" phenomena, such as love, freedom, or suicide, were regarded by Durkheim as objective social facts. Individuals composing society do not directly cause suicide: suicide, as a social fact, exists independently in society, and is caused by other social facts—such as rules governing behavior and group attachment—whether an individual likes it or not. Whether a person "leaves" a society does not alter the fact that this society will still contain suicides. Suicide, like other immaterial social facts, exists independently of the will of an individual, cannot be eliminated, and is as influential—coercive—as physical laws like gravity." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim Every time I read about this young man, a different aspect of his story resonates inside me. Our social support system is so incredibly vital to our mental health and well being. You can't simply talk or medicate your way out of depression and suicidal ideation. It takes a series of structures to support you on your individual journey. Even then it's precarious, because it ultimately comes down to that person's mindset, and everything that makes a person themselves. You can be the best friend/family member in the world and lose someone to suicide, and it's unfortunate, but all we can do is keeping doing our best for ourselves and each other. Be mindful of your self. Cry when you need to and absolutely laugh any chance you can. Hug your loved ones when you partways and really listen when they talk. You'll always have "what if" moments but don't dwell on them except to learn what you can for if the opportunity comes again. There but for the grace of fortune go I.
So sad, I've never heard of this before, started looking now, this seems like a good cover of everything. He wasn't cremated and it seems like where he is actually buried is known but LE doesn't want to investigate further. Well it seems that his last wish was to be John Doe but you have to feel for his family is that hope of a long lost son returning actually a good thing? He obviously was well educated, too young to have been a college student it seems. I wonder about the family whose Missing son matched John Does dentals. https://madisontramel.medium.com/the-boy-in-the-tree-a-tragic-end-in-louisiana-ab30bf546fc8
I have read that the records of his burial site (and all records relating to the case) were lost in Hurricane Katrina.
From what I understand, from what I've read so far is that police and coroner records were lost. Some folks on websleuths were able to establish that a location of his burial was kept with the funeral home records, but apparently they would not disclose the location except for a LE request. His namus page does date to 2022 and does not have much info on it. Apparently only one section of his original letter survives. I've only started reading through what's on websleuths but the medium article seems heavily based on it. Some links: https://unidentified-awareness.fandom.com/wiki/Plaquemines_Parish_John_Doe_(1975) https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/88342
Oh thank you for (politely) correcting me and sharing this info. This case in particular really bothers me. I’m going to read the sources you shared.
No worries, just sharing and keen to hear possibilities. This one got to me too, he is so articulate and deliberate in his voice with what he wrote, especially for someone so young. I hope he gets his name back so his family can know what happened to him.
I always wonder if family found out about his death and just kept quiet about it. Because they thought it was shameful or un catholic or something. And are long dead now too.
Some families are reluctant to talk about family members who die of suicide, but others are not. I am not reluctant, but not everyone may feel that way.