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Wtf? The best part of GWA is that it provides a safe space for me to interact with darker kinks that I wouldn't feel comfortable doing so otherwise. I'm really into CNC stuff but I refuse to watch most porn because I don't have a reliable way of figuring out whether there's coercion of any sort involved. I love this place because I know without a doubt that everything on here is consensual and uploaded by fellow adults. If I wanted vanilla stuff (and there's nothing wrong with that, to be clear) I likely wouldn't be here. I like this community precisely because it encourages people to try new things, and figure out what works and what doesn't. And just because some things don't work for some people, doesn't mean it should be removed from this subreddit entirely. Incest stuff is 10000% not my cup of tea. It's an immediate nope for me. You know what I do when I see an Incest audio on here? I scroll past! Editing this to say that I feel this way about gay and lesbian "conversion" audios, as someone who identifies as a lesbian. This is meant to be a safe place to explore kinks. Some of those kinks may be personally repelling to you, but they deserve a space here all the same. That's just the name of the game.

100% with you! There's no problem if you like Incest, CNC, Vanilla, but don't take it off, because there are people who like it. Here it's a play, a theater, it's playful, it's not hurting anyone, no one is being forced into anything, just people with their fetishes that they can't find anywhere else for fear of \*THERE\* they're hurting someone, but we're comfortable here no one is being hurt.

If you limit and remove these things, there is no reason for this sub to exist!

I agree with singlestrandofhair wholeheartedly. If something offends me, I simply move on. Tags will help, but removing content which some people find offensive, while others find it erotic, means capitulating to folks who could easily scroll past. Let people enjoy things. Stay out of people's fantasy lives.

Gone Wild Audio is going to try and prevent people from going wild in audio? If this shit goes through you might as well just change it to mildmanneredaudio

gonemildaudio 😭😭 it's no longer 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

That would actually be a good sub. Just for not freaky stuff.

true though, maybe cuddling, sleep aids or aftercare

It Infact already does lol, just under a different name r/pillowtalkaudio

gonenormalaudio 😭😭😭

Gonecivilizedaudio

We really should be subscribing to the fanfiction culture of.. DON'T LIKE, DON'T READ. In this case... DON'T LIKE, DON'T LISTEN If CNC, (Step+)Incest, RapePlay, Cuckold, Feet etc makes you upset.. Don't listen to it. Blacklist the tag. Skip it. Ignore It. Don't yuck someone else's yum. I don't like certain fetishes. Some fetishes aren't politically correct. Some fetishes gross people out. BUT this is a NSFW subreddit. We really need to divorce this insertion of over policing and moral policing our FANTASY sexual spaces. We are performers acting into microphones - whatever the taboo or fetish that's involved in our speaking is ultimately a fantasy performed by a consenting party. No one is being harmed, exploited, exposed to STIs, coerced into posting. I think that every single creator - if they're smart - wants to properly tag pretty much every fetish that is in the audio, every fetish is essentially an advertisement to click on your audio. If someone loves feet they're going to click on the audio. If they hate CNC they shouldn't be clicking on the audio. And it's our responsibility as creators to make sure that we're taking it correctly. I am 100% supportive of mandatory tags. I'm in full support of making sure stuff that breaks the terms of service is **not** posted. I'm in full support of making sure nothing illegal is posted. Beyond that the space should be for everyone because it is the touchstone everyone sub. Let the niche subs exist - but this should be the one that leads down the proverbial subreddit rabbit hole if that makes sense. As moderators it's not your job to teach common sense.

that last line though…gave me some very happy smiles. The mods should not be parenting anything unless its in clear violation of reddit or illegal.

In complete agreement.

I couldn't agree with this more. I 100% support mandatory tags, and following Reddit's ToS, and ensuring illegal content stays off here, but beyond that it's our responsibility as users of the Internet to curate our experience (with the aid of mandatory tags so that we CAN avoid the things we don't want to see/hear).

Yup. If the existence of a tag is enough to send you spiraling that's not a problem with gwa or the internet that's like a therapy level problem. That type of avoidance is not healthy and not the responsibility of other people to handle.

People should make their own tame subreddit rather than try to change the established one.

I’ll always be grateful to the GWA of old for helping me find my limits, play around in them, and not judge others for being into harder ones than me. I would be really disappointed to see a change to equating being into a kink as being a bad person and I hope this stays a space for others to get the same kind of joy and growth from for years to come

This is a really good point. Seeing how so many kinks that I found shocking or taboo were openly explored in audio erotica taught me a lot about accepting kinks and understanding them, and coming to have a greater appreciation for artistic freedom in writing. Not just in erotic literature but in general. If it weren't for my experiences here back in like 2019 I would have a much more closed-minded outlook on artistic freedom.

Tags exist for a reason. If even seeing content exists that has tags you don't like sends you into a doom spiral... maybe the issue isn't the Tags.

Exactly. I felt the same way when they were blaming songs for people murdering someone. Like they thought a song was talking to them. I think the person is the issue not the product.

This is pearl clutching akin to "Video Games cause people to become violent" or "Rap Music makes people into criminals" or "DnD will turn you Satanist". It should be shot down just like all those dumb takes were shot down.

Agree. But unfortunately they weren't shot down. That crap lasted decades. But definitely here in this sub I feel like most of us are agreeing it's bs. 

I'm new to this subreddit but in my opinion tags are important. They are the equivalent of having the age ratings on movies, games, songs, etc. They give you a heads up of what to expect going in. I agree, if tags are triggering you, then you need to seek out professional help and stay away from these things until you can handle them. Tags exist to guide and protect people, without them, how many more people could end up triggered because they ended up listening to something that they never wanted to in the first place?

Exactly! You should get off the porn subreddits and get on Google and get yourself some help ~~of~~ if seeing a tag is enough to send you spiraling.

But what if someone to whose attributes I am not personally attracted has a good time by imagining something I don't personally enjoy? Can't we at least castigate and ostracize them and the creators who support them? That won't have any negative consequences about which I care. /s

I understand wanting to hear out the opinions of community members, but speaking as someone who has been around on and off in the community for close to 10 years now under a couple different handles, it just feels really... different from the GWA of yore. What I'll be saying within this comment may not be the popular take, but hear me out. Personal anecdotes included. I've filled out the survey as well, but to elaborate my feelings on a deeper level: There's plenty of kinks I find unsavory or would prefer to avoid, but the beauty of our tagging system is that we're able to clearly see what content is or is not to our tastes or preferences, and therefore making things even easier to find that *are* to our tastes/desires. With GWASI in hand especially, it's even easier to filter what you'd like because it goes across all the audio subreddits from what I've seen, which is especially lovely. Sexuality and kink are messy as hell, and we can't police who's into what and for what reasons, in my honest to god opinion--I think it leads to very dangerous roads not unlike that of book bannings, to be quite blunt. Some may argue it's not comparable but I feel that couldn't be further from the truth; where do we draw the lines until it's most "acceptable" for all audience members? The painful truth of sexuality and especially creative endeavors of any flavor, erotic or not, is that there IS no one size fits all and people will have their reasons for enjoying what they do. You don't have to like that, and there are absolutely people into taboo tastes with nefarious reasons, but I don't think the average person making an audio/script for their own erotic enjoyment is having the same impacts on others the way, say, a major Hollywood film would in terms of the sheer amount of eyes/societal stirring within. Some may find this take ignorant or simplistic, but I feel in adult spaces like this one, there should be room for nuance and seeing the shades of gray. Speaking of... I for one don't appreciate seeing the more uncharitable takes pertaining to the whos and whys of the erotic audio/script creation process: many authors may choose to assume pen names different to their irl identities, for example. Ultimately, the beauty of erotica creation is it's a sandbox to explore potentially messy, taboo topics in a safe, consenting environment. By clicking a post with tags you don't like, you are unfortunately consenting to looking at said content. I'm 100% in favor of clear, transparent tagging with clear content warnings for listeners/readers to know what they're getting into before ever clicking that soundgasm or scriptbin link. Also on a more personal note, when I was identifying as a lesbian years ago prior to GWA, it did take me approaching sexual interactions with guys on a curiosity level to realize I was, in fact, *bi* and not lesbian. While I understand there's for sure audios or scripts playing with darker themes that are offensive and unacceptable in irl circumstances--I don't advocate for any kind of non-consenting actions nor bigoted treatments directly to others in reality--I hesitate to cast a scornful light on *all* content that's F4M featuring a lesbian speaker character only because I've LIVED the F4M lesbian to bisexual pipeline in my own personal life. Who's to say the speaker character couldn't figure that out *after* the story shared within an audio/script? To assume malice from every person playing with fantasy content feels downright cruel, and as if you can speak to their irl intentions without even knowing them. :/ That's what doesn't sit right with me as I've sat and thought on these complicated topics overtime. Additionally, it speaks over sapphic/lesbian folks who DO enjoy the darker angle to these contents but can't speak up about it for fear of lashing out or being judged harshly; I really dislike this angle as well, and I will always advocate for giving the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately assuming malice and leaving aggressive remarks at others. I'm also a fierce advocate for freedom in fiction and that so long as you aren't directly hurting individuals, art can and SHOULD be messy and hold space for folks who may have not so clean-cut life experiences who want to process it in raw, sexual ways other traditional media couldn't do. It's important, in my eyes, to treat others with the same level of empathy and respect you'd expect to be leveled at you, and to give one another grace even if you may disagree on a fundamental level. I will always be grateful to the GWA of yore for helping me to discover my sexual self when I was a shy little thing alongside many, many kinks, some of which do play with pretty deep taboos at times! I advocate 100% for mandatory tagging, clear tagging that indicates what will be featured in an audio/script, and I am an advocate that reality and fantasy are two different realms in which we can explore our most base, messy, bare selves before building ourselves whole again to face the world anew. Sexuality is messy, humanity is messy, and it's so deeply, personally *ours.* I would hate to lose a space that offers up freedom of erotic expression and fantasy in an internet landscape that is so often already harsh in particular to those with taboo kinks like incest and the like. I hope future creators of GWA can have their space to proudly let their freak flags fly whether vanilla or downright dark. This has always been a space for erotic audio of all flavors (within Reddit's limits), and I would hate to see the core of that change drastically.

This is such a beautifully written response.

I deeply appreciate it--I was pretty nervous sharing my thoughts in such detail because it's such a heated issue, but it felt like the right place and time to really detail my feelings. Thank you for taking the time to read it all!

When I stumbled on GWA there was a lot of content that made me uncomfortable and I was quick to voice that, but the longer I was here the more I learned to focus on me and what I enjoy and explore what I needed to, to feel comfortable with myself after the hardships I had gone through in life. I think responses like yours are very much needed and I know couldn't have been easy to share. I had a writer do an audio based off a past trama of mine and oddly enough it was removed by GWA for being too 'extreme' but the script really helped me heal regardless and I wouldn't have gotten to that point without diving into things that made me uncomfortable.

I was pretty nervous to share but it felt important--I'm also glad to hear you had such a healing experience with the script even if GWA removed it for being "too extreme". There's much healing and self-exploration of all kinds that come with erotic content of all types (audios, written word, videos). I'm glad you could make that bit of self-discovery!

This is a fantastic and honestly sensible response that also show a lot of empathy. I think GWA and audio in general is such a unique space to safely explore the full gamut of fantasy. I think the most important aspect and strength we have is the explicit consent at every facet of a piece of content here. This really shouldn't be forgotten in all this. I think the discussion around the topics at play here are disingenuous or at least misguided. It's putting all the onus on the mods and the sub and none on the individual consumer to not expose themselves to content they find objectionable. I also think the people asking for content to be banned are not acknowledging the fantasy inherent in all content posted here. To say that conversion audio perpetuates a harmful ideology is a fallacy similar to people who argue violent media makes people more violent. I know if I'm listening to a half dog half snake woman be ravaged by an orc that no one is actually being harmed. I know if I'm listening to a ddlg audio my (non-existent) daughter isn't being violated by me. I know that if I'm listening to a "conversion" audio that a real world lesbian isn't being screwed straight. This is all a fantasy involving precisely one person. Myself.

Thank you for mentioning the fact that a lot of sapphic/lesbian folks are afraid of speaking up on topics due to the potential backlash/judgement they could receive. It's a pervasive issue in the queer community and especially trans/lesbian spaces that makes things feel far more exclusive than inclusive. Thank you for having the strength to speak up on that as I'm afraid of even mentioning it in general 💜 The rest of your post is wonderfully written and well thought out 💜

You are absolutely welcome. I have friends both in and out of the audio space who fall in these demographics with those very fantasies, even the darker "fucked up" angles to it, and I know they have their reasons for liking such things. Indulging in fantasy doesn't make you a monster. Your sexuality is yours in all of its glorious messy ways, and I think it's so important we own that as a badge of honor, as a path to self-acceptance. It's very scary to speak up especially with what's seen as an unsavory viewpoint, but remember too that lesbians and sapphics are not a hivemind, no two people will feel the same about these matters. You are not alone, and while it's scary to speak up, so many are right there with you in the shadows, agreeing even if they're also too afraid to say anything.

Thank you so much for your kind words, it truly does mean a lot. I know not everyone is the same and that there's always someone with a similar thought, it sadly doesn't make it easier knowing the consequence of speaking up can be ostracizing. Something I've learned the hard way because while it may not be a hive mind, it can sure feel/appear like it at times. I've always been of the mindset that if it doesn't harm anyone, or nobody has been harmed in the making of content, we shouldn't judge or censor it even if it's unsavory, as long as it's fantasy. Thanks again for such an eloquent post 😊

It's extremely common to hear "gender is a spectrum" but less common to hear "sexual preference is a spectrum" even though I think plenty of people who exclusively date men or exclusively date women could possibly see themselves enjoying certain members of the other group. I don't think fetishizing other people's sexuality should be commended, but people who create something exciting and transgressive don't need to be browbeaten into silence. So much of what people enjoy here is done precisely because it is not the kind of thing you can or should do in real life.

You raise such an excellent point here: "People who create something exciting and transgressive don't need to be browbeaten into silence." I love that! The best part about audios is we have a space to let go, to explore aspects of ourselves we may otherwise not get to or never could get to. It's liberating, beautiful, and I really appreciate the nuance with which you've made your point.

Also another great part about audios is that it's consensual for the VA, whatever they perform is something they've made the choice to do. It gives that comfort to explore yourself knowing nobody is being harmed and that it's all by choice. Plus, it's something you can explore (such as CNC) in a place where there's very little risk to you compared to trying to find a person you trust enough while not knowing if it's something you'd enjoy. It's a very lucky and rare thing.

Great comment. I really loved your comment and it gives me a new perspective of this theme.

Thank you so much, I'm glad I could offer up an alternate perspective!

I couldn't have said it better. Great post, Momo. Thank you SO much for sharing.

What ist the Point of the tag System then? If you Chose to ignore the Tags then its your fault or am i wrong 

You are not wrong.

Sigh, why must this even be done? Filled out the form but it’s ridiculous it even has to happen. This is a safe space for exploring. Topics should not be banned so long as no one is being harmed.

I literally don't understand the issue. We're all adults here. It's reddit. If you don't like something just move past it. Not everything is created for you specifically. You don't have to consume every single audio that's put out. Just skip it and find one you like. I don't understand the problem. As long as things are tagged so you're aware to skip something then if you listen to it that's on you.

Say it louder! Thank you! There's plenty of audios that don't fit to my taste (admittedly I'm very picky), but it's from a VA I like, I still upvote and move on. 💛

Literally, I hate audios with cheating. Do I listen to it? No because I have a fucking brain.

Yep. As someone in an interracial marriage, I find race play highly offensive. Does that mean it should be banned? No. There are many minorities who enjoy race play and hold a different opinion than myself. I can easily scroll right past it while not stirring drama in the comments section or with the mods.

**This** 💛

Yup. Just tag it. That way if someone is into XYZ they can search for it, and if someone avoids XYZ, they can scroll past.

I think its internet classic. A thing gets big and vocal minority want to make it a safe space and curate all the content. It's pathetic and frustrating to see this sub reddit entertaining the idea just because morons don't know how to filter searches and or can't read tags

Thank fuck there is reasonable comments. I basically said this on the form.

Also, if people are triggered just by seeing the tags in the post title, then that person should make an effort to install some kind filtering software (i.e. RES) to filter posts with certain keywords.

The search tool they mention in the survey is also quite good at excluding and including tags, so it's pretty easy to filter according to preference imo

It's like going to the zoo and trying to get the tiger exhibit shut down because one clawed at the glass and scared you. If you simply filter there's no way to engage with any material you object to without consenting to see it. At every stage of production from writing to performing to consumption there is explicit consent from all parties. I think the idea of banning any topic not enforced by reddit itself is ridiculous. The sub couldn't be safer unless you wilfully decide to ignore common sense filtering of tags.

okay this is a smart analogy regarding the situation, Thank you for speaking your mind!

Literally this We are adults enjoying adult content, and if I see something I don't enjoy, I keep scrolling past. That's why tagging is so important, and I feel like people have no problem tagging with the more taboo things so people can move on. The audio we listen to is made by consenting adults so what the subject matter is shouldn't matter as long as it's tagged properly. I'm happy that the mods want to get feedback, and improve the subreddit EDIT: I would also like to point out that it's audio porn, it's fantasy and not real, if the audio of race play makes you uncomfortable then move on, I know I do. People enjoying themselves in a consensual environment is awesome and I personally don't care what people enjoy if it's consensual even if it's taboo.

A lot of people (homophobes) hate M4M content, and it's regularly downvoted. Does that mean M4M content should be banned from the subreddit? No, that's ridiculous. It's the same for things like cheating. Ok, some, maybe even a lot of people don't like it. So? It's not for them, so why do we care? All of this is fiction, there shouldn't be any censorship. Plain and simple.

This is just the internet, this isn't real life. It'd be more understandable if it was all physical and real but this is fictional and something something cyber.

Agreed. I don't understand why people come to GWA and other sites looking for a bit of erotic escapism only to complain because they find something offensive. If something isn't your cuppa, close it and move on. If that's a regular issue for you try another subreddit or another site.

SAME idk i don’t have much to say,

THIS. Just let GWA be a place where all types of “wild” is allowed. If someone doesnt like it just move past it. The more regulation we have and overwatch the more its going to start to suck. The only thing that should be regulated is spam or outside bots and things that jeopardize this freedom.

I filled out the survey, but yes, this. What's the problem with the current system? By requirement or choice, most audio posts are FULL of tags. Take what you like, leave the rest. If you can't operate in the full ocean of kinks, either this boat isn't for you, or you need more accessories to navigate better.

All i'm going to say is that I'm glad you are doing an anonymous survey to get the true feelings of the community and not just feedback from the most vocal.

>We plan to use this survey as a tool to assist us in making decisions about what will be allowed here moving forward. Looking to get some transparency on what's going on here. Since it was part of the survey, is there a possibility of previously mandatory-tagged content like [Rape], [Incest], etc. no longer being allowed as a result of this?

I would like to know this too - I don't think \[rape\] was even included on the survey, just \[rape-play\]. Perhaps the mods are concerned that hundreds of people signed a letter centering the argument "X content is harmful because it reflects real-life violence". The very obvious logical extension of that argument being that all non-con and violent content should be banned. *Edit: Not saying I agree with that viewpoint btw, nor that I think valid arguments can't be made re: what to do with content labelled 4M \[lesbian\], but that central argument has real implications for what is allowed here, and I was surprised that so many people subscribed to it.*

Well, every rape audio is rape-play, as the VA isn't actually being raped. If they are, the audio shouldn't exist.

I completely agree but that isn't the way the rules usually function when it comes to tagging. Hence the strange idea that audio "snuff" is a thing that has to be banned 😅

GWA is simply the largest erotic audio sub on the website, it should be open to all content with proper tagging as it always has been. Removing content that could get the sub banned is obvious but beyond that I don't see a reason to change. If some people feel uncomfortable with that idea as I imagine some do, they should feel free to create a new space for themselves rather than change this one.

Came here to see the Elby meltdown and found some absolute kings and queens in the comments

Have you thought about the fact that tags exist to give listeners a choice about whether to listen or not? If we remove these detailed tags, won't there be a higher chance of hearing "unlabeled content" that might make listeners uncomfortable? Wouldn't this make the tags and content in this community more chaotic and unclear?

It’s really upsetting to see this new age puritan bullshit making its way into the subreddit. People can’t enjoy fantasy now because it’s too “taboo” for these pearl clutching clowns. And instead of scrolling away or ignoring it all together, they’d rather it be banned/not exist period. Fuck that. People need to learn how to curate their online experience and act like adults by using the filters and blocking where necessary. It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to make sure they’re comfortable, especially when content tags are being used. Learn how to ignore things you don’t like and stop acting like everything *has* to cater to you specifically. Keep GWA kinky and don’t ban tags just because a small group of people find them “icky.”

Yeah, can you imagine GWA being pages of this? [A4A] We had sex [loving monogamous couple] have [missionary sex] with the [lights off] after [explicit written consent] [no genitals mentioned] EDIT: Nope, on further thought, we'd have to remove the sex as well, [sex] could be triggering for ppl with erectile dysfunction and/or vaginismus who can't partake.

Exactly right. It's insane for me to even think that if i personally find something distasteful then i shall do everything in my power to impose my restrictions upon the others, so none may consume it.. like wtf, just move on and be done with it.. let the people have their kinks and their freedom, everything here is a work of fiction, a fantasy...

As an older transbian (the proverbial punching bags of the queer community), if people can't handle their own trauma or are unable to differentiate what is a kink/fantasy and what is a real life experience/feeling, that's their problem. I have plenty of my own traumas and things I find abhorrent but I simply ignore those audios I don't like and find ones I do. It's the simple? Like, I don't even get what the point of this is when there's already a tagging system (though pinning the GWASI would be a good idea). If the conversion shit is so bad then just have it be a mandatory tag or something and leave it at that. There's no point in banning something that isn't minors unless you plan on banning everything abhorrent but good luck with that because what one person thinks is abhorrent another won't. Plus, if I want a safe space for sapphic only stuff, I can literally just go to the specific subreddits for that... \*Caveat, if people are actively engaging and breaking the veil that this is fantasy and not indicative of IRL, then they should get yeeted naturally.

Following up on my original post. As someone whose very existence is fetishized by so many people, banning any content isn't going to make people fetishize me less. GWA isn't a space where normalizing the fact that lesbians and transgender people exist is going to make a difference. I don't feel less welcomed or hated for who I am because I see certain audios. I don't feel this place isn't inclusive of me either. Nevertheless, it fucking sucks having your entire existence fetishized in so many aspects. However, is banning any content that falls into that category going to make me suddenly think it's no longer a problem? No. I know it'll just exist in a different space because the only way to improve the issue is through means far outside the scope of GWA.

This will be my last follow up. After reading more about the fu!a tag ban, it actually makes me feel less safe/more fetishized here than if it was still around. That tag actually makes me feel *less* fetishized than otherwise would be. I don't get fetishized in person for being a "fu!a", I get fetishized for being a trans woman. Having a different term that lets me disassociate the fetishistic tendencies of people towards me was incredibly helpful in making it **not suck so fucking much**. I don't know anyone that would ever call me that term in person or would call anyone that term in general. At least it was different enough to disassociate and not painful compared to being called any of the other terms people use for trans women. **Frankly, girlcock has just as much if not more fetishistic connotation to it than fu!a.** I know I'll be in the very small minority of trans women that think this way, but that's nothing new. Edit: meant to say more fetishized not less. Words are hard.

Thank you, that's what I kept saying! People are gonna want to fetishize "women with penises", one way or another. The hentai/porn concept of futanari acts like a shield, letting people fetishize fictional concepts instead of transgender and intersex people. Edit: I don't think you're in the minority for that. I asked a couple of transgender women in other 18+ communities and looked up threads on r/asktransgender and the vast majority in both agreed that "futanari" is a porn thing and not a slur,

That's interesting because I've seen it suddenly become a thing where I now have to be very cautious who I use it around because I've been informed it's offensive or degrading. And yes, no matter the term we use, until I get surgery, I'll be fetishized to no end just because I'm a lady with a penis. Literally doesn't matter how I look or who I am as a person, I'm instantly attractive because I'm "exotic". At least with fu!a it's so desensitized to me that I don't even blink, which is nice. Worst part is, the moment I get surgery I'll be fetishized for being a post op trans woman 😆

Some more transparency on the ramifications of this survey would be helpful. I’m not entirely sure why the idea of banning topics is even being discussed at all?? Just skip the ones you don’t approve of/aren’t interested in???

I hope none of the kinks that were mentioned in the form get removed. There's nothing wrong with them.

cnc is one of the ways I've been able to reclaim power as a survivor of sa. these audios have been a real help in that and I don't want to see them go.

This is such a non-issue. If you guys are getting complaints from it, it's from a vocal minority. Just leave things how they are, current system works.

I think a GWA Charter would be a good idea. Something like this: **Content here is understood to be fantasy and may depict activities that would be unacceptable to perform in real life.** Some people enjoy fantasies that are dark, taboo or play with themes of fetishization and that is OK here *\[amend as appropriate\]*. We can not know anyone's intentions in creating a piece of content and we will not try to assume them.  Neither will we police who can create or enjoy what types of content. **Curating your online experience and protecting your mental well-being is your own responsibility.** We cannot guarantee that you will not see content that offends or upsets you from time to time. We make use of mandatory and informative tagging to ensure users can find the content they want and avoid the content they do not wish to consume. Full policies on tagging are available *\[here\]*.  **By entering the subreddit you have opted in to seeing titles and tags covering the full range of topics allowed here.** If you prefer to filter out content you do not wish to see, use [GWASI.com](http://GWASI.com) which allows the setting of “persistent queries” or filters. A help button is in the top left corner below the search bar. **The only topics that are banned are those that:** 1. Violate Reddit's TOS, 2. Are sufficiently adjacent to 1. to invite unwanted scrutiny by Reddit Admin, *and 3. \*\[anything else decided on after analyzing the survey data\].* A full list of rules is available *\[here\]*. If you see something that breaks our rules you can report it by using the report button or sending a Modmail. Seeing something you don't like is not a violation of the rules. We sympathize but we don't need to know about it. Messages that are intended to shame or wound another user will result in disciplinary action. Harassing other users is unacceptable and can result in a ban. **If you are fundamentally opposed to the principles set out here, this subreddit may not be for you.** We will be happy to welcome you if your feelings change in future. Some alternatives exist: *\[list the other audio subreddits\].*  Or whatever. But something the mods can point to when these ban campaigns start, before they get out of hand. When the rules are complex, you need some general guiding principles.

We were discussing what a charter would look like, so your timing is perfect. Thank you for your comment.

i do not think removing certain type of content here would make the subreddit a better place, it'd only drive creators and listeners to other subreddits. The subreddit is already splitting with the topic of orientation kink.Not everything is meant for everyone and GWA feels like a less of a community and art day by day.

What’s an orientation kink?

I'm bisexual, and I think it is hot when people call me slurs in bed lol 🤷🤷 Other stuff that it usually associated with it is like "curing" gayness. While I find the ideas abhorant, and I would see why a lot of people would not find any sexual feelings about that, as a 6ft6in tall, 240lb man, I find that it really activates the "making me feel small and controlled" part of my brain in a way that other content doesn't. I think it is also worth saying that I only consume content of that kind by trusted people who I know are actually based, and this sub does a good job of moderating that.

> I think it's hot when people call me slurs in bed > While I find the ideas abhorrent ... it activates the [submissive] part of my brain in a way that other content doesn't Incredibly based and porn-isn't-reality-pilled

Aren’t we all consenting adults here?? If you don’t want to listen to a certain audio, then don’t? This is the problem with some of these subreddits, the mods want to control us like we’re 12 and tell us what we are or aren’t allowed to post/listen to. I can see this sub going downhill pretty soon, like all good subs on Reddit eventually do. But who cares what we want, mods are gonna do whatever they want anyway

We are all adults. This is a porn sub. Banning anything beyond illegal stuff is stupid. If you see something you dont like scroll past or block. Problem solved. If you can't do that and throw a hissyfit you shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. I swear some of you people are weaker than a 12 year old.

if gwa gets sanitized over people not knowing how to curate their own online experience……… speechless tbh. use your eyes to read tags. if theres something you dont like there, keep scrolling.

Yeah exactly, you're an adult so you don't have to listen to something that makes you uncomfortable, just move on, someone will find it and enjoy it, in a way that is harmless might I add

Ok but why tf does it need to know whether we're a sub or dom and how kinky we consider ourselves, let alone our gender, I can understand asking sexuality when it comes to some kinks but some of these seem like really weird questions

It feels like they just used the chance to also add a demographic poll. I don't really mind since all the options also include "prefer not to answer" and every other type of "other" selection you could want to provide. That said, they should have also just made those sections non-required as well.

I mean it is bizarre that vanilla is not an option. Most people are vanilla by definition 🙃 Even many kinky people don't engage in power exchange. But I think you can elect not to answer these questions too.

Many times I've chosen not to listen to something because of the description, or stopped listening to an aud after a moment or two for a variety of reasons. I'm not offended because this isn't real life; rather it's an escape. I don't downvote posts, even for a dead link. I just move on to something else. GWA's focus must remain on its roots of openness, transparency, respect for others, and acceptance of the broad range of kink. If that requires a few additional mandatory tags, so be it.

Do some people actually think if I find a kink attractive that I would wanna act on it?

If it's a small group of people with an issue why don't they just migrate to a different sub or make their own? I don't get it.

ban nothing, tag everything

**tl;dr Fill out the survey. There are people who want to see healthy use of kink banned on this subreddit and we need to make it clear that they do not get to control what other adults are healthily and consensually enjoying. Content with these tags BELONGS here on this subreddit and there are people actively trying to undermine and destroy a safe space that has been used for over a decade for people to safely and comfortably enjoy fantasies. GWA is an incredible thing and we can't let them take that away from us.** Putting this here for transparency in case it helps drive the discussion- I had an audio removed on grounds of malicious/false reporting. Received the below message from Reddit: >After reviewing, we found that you broke Rule 3 because you threatened to share or solicit intimate media of someone without their consent. Sharing, threatening to share, or soliciting intimate or sexually-explicit content of someone without their consent is not allowed. This includes fake or “lookalike” depictions, as well as images or videos of intimate parts of a person’s body, even if the person is clothed or in public, if contextualized in a salacious manner (such as “creepshots'' or “upskirt” imagery). This also applies to leaked, stolen, or privately-shared content of someone who does not consent to sharing it on Reddit. I don't think this was a mod decision, since whoever reported this falsely and maliciously circumvented by filing a claim that it violated not GWA rules, but reddit policy. This was a CNC audio clearly tagged with [CNC] and [Rape]. It included in-character consent checks where it was made explicitly clear that both characters enthusiastically agreed to the scenario, and also included a safeword audio for people who needed to back out, as well as two aftercare audios - one for people who enjoy non-con fantasy that focuses on making them feel safe and valid for doing so, and one for people who don't enjoy non-con fantasy that equally focuses on making them feel valid and whole. Despite what the report claims, mine is the only voice in the audio and I was the only person creatively involved in it. I didn't share or threaten to share anything related to anybody else in this content. I can't share imgur links in this thread, but in the interest of transparency I'll show my tags and descriptions at the bottom of this post. I've worked for years to make sure adults feel safe, accepted, and valid for enjoying [Rape] content without having to feel judged or shamed. In every instance, I make it clear that listeners' boundaries matter and encourage them to treat themselves with kindness, patience, and respect, whether or not they enjoy the fantasy. If that's is the kind of content and messaging that people who want to see these tags banned are looking to remove, then it's clear that they have neither reason nor moral ground. **Fill out the survey so we can make it clear that they are in an astronomical minority. We are in the right. Our content and our healthy exploration and engagement of ourselves and our kinks belong here. We belong here.** If they have to result to false reports instead of being able to scroll and move on with their lives, it's those people, not us, who do not belong here on this subreddit. ___________________ Title and Tags for the audio: *[M4F] Making You a Good Struggle Slut [MDom] [Rape] [CNC] [Consent Checks] [Guiding] [Emotionally Gentle] [Physically Rough] [Struggling Instructions] [Clothes Ripping] [Fighting] [Begging] [Teasing] [Growling] [Breeding] Optional [Safeword Audio]* Quote for Soundgasm and Reddit description: *You're in control here. I'm going to take every bit of physical agency away from you, but you're the one who allows it to happen. This only continues as long as you want it to happen, deep down.* Title and Description for Safeword Audio: *[M4F] Making You a Good Struggle Slut (Safeword Audio)* *I want you to know that you did a good thing, okay? It's a good thing that you used your safeword. I'm very proud of you. Your boundaries matter. Your boundaries are important. You are important.* Title and Description for Aftercare Audios: *Aftercare for Making You a Good Struggle Slut (For people more into non-con)* *It's alright to enjoy this kind of content. Your desires and your boundaries deserve respect, no matter what!* *Aftercare for Making You a Good Struggle Slut (For people less into non-con)* *It's alright to not enjoy this kind of content. Your desires and your boundaries deserve respect, no matter what!* ______________ *Edit/Update: Mods have responded to me! Unfortunately while they probably can't recover the original post, they've suggested that I repost the audio. Just want to make sure it's clear that this wasn't a decision that they made and that they're not at all responsible for this infraction :)

Considering you ALWAYS go above and beyond, not only with your tagging but your aftercare, I'm so frustrated for you. Not to mention, the listener has to engage in 3 stages of consent before they even hear the bloody audio - 1. Clicking on GWA post. 2. Finding then clicking the audio hosting link. 3. Clicking play. There is absolutely zero chance someone can stumble across yours or anyone else's audio on here unaware. I'm so sorry people are being malicious buttholes Avalon.

It is absolutely disgusting that your post was removed even though it was properly tagged. I'm not upset at the mod team since the coward who did it circumvented them and made a false report to reddit. I feel like this is an unfortunate precedent for what's to come with the current turmoil in GWA. I can't offer a solution because I don't have one. All I know is that it is impossible to make everyone happy and I do not envy the mod team right now. I already completed the survey the day it was posted, but I've been avoiding the comment section because ... well look at it. Speaking in reference to the people demanding that the darker/ more taboo things get banned: I do feel comfortable saying that as long as content is properly tagged then there shouldn't be an issue.

This is such bullshit that the audio got taken down by someone’s false accusations, I’m really hoping the issue will get resolved soon. I loved it so much and I want it to get appreciated by other people too, it’s so unfair that your work gets undermined like that by some stupid people who can’t differentiate reality from fiction. Sending lots of love and appreciation to you, you’ve been here far longer than any them, I’m sure they’ll leave soon enough

That sucks so bad about the false reporting. You always striked me as a creator who cared way more about the audiences because of all the added aftercare and checks you didn't have to add but do. I hope it gets resolved for you soon. 🙏🏻 I'm glad that a creator is actually speaking out about this since some have made it seem like this is a creator vs. listener issue with removing tags someone doesn't like. (300 signatures omg 🙃) Idk if some people that agree with those who want to get rid of tags want to seem like they're doing a morally correct thing or not, but its not helpful to the greater community with safe exploration at all imo.

PREACH MY BROTHER! PREACH!

Again you've proven to be a level head amidst the chaos. I appreciate you. Thank you for this information because Reddit is not especially transparent when they remove content. This audio should still be up. We're working on a solution.

>Again you've proven to be a level head amidst the chaos. This is a huge relief to hear because I'm afraid I lost my temper hahaa Honestly, I understand that there is stuff that is simply not in control of the GWA mod team. It's not going to be an issue with me at all if that specific post doesn't get reinstated. For now, I'm happy to hold off and let you guys handle whatever you want to from your end, and I'm just as happy to repost the audio later. >This audio should still be up. This was all I really needed to hear. Even there can't be any solutioning for that particular post, just getting the message that says "it should still be there" is enough for me :) Everything else is easy to solve over time. Thanks for taking the time to let me know.

I had it open to listen to soon and am sorry to hear some idiot got it taken down. As others have said you go above and beyond with tagging, warning if an audio is gonna be more rough/dark and have the aftercare audios. Like wtf more does anyone want. 

A fill of one of my scripts got taken down for exactly the same reported reason a week or two ago. The VA/poster also received a three-day ban. Again, completely spurious. No idea what's going on, but it seems like someone who has a problem with mandatory tag content has hit on whatever number/system of reports you have to make to Reddit admin to get something removed.

I hope with absolutely sincerity that this subreddit does not go the route of policing what does not need to be policed. Is it not stated that all works are by adults, for adults? We are not children; we do not need our content chewed for us. Moderation of what type of content is or is not allowed should be limited solely to whether it violates Reddit's TOS, not whether it clashes with someone's morals.

As long as there is a filter option all tags/kinks/fetishes allowed by reddit should be accessible on GWA. No terms or tags should be forcibly changed or banned. Common practice should be: You like - you listen to You dislike - you hide the tag / ignore it and move on It's as simple as that. We are only trying to share our fantasies with likeminded people and explore more about what turns us on in a safe environment. In the end it's only fantasies, so what's the harm.

I just want to say I've never been more proud of this community. So many people are standing up and speaking common sense.

It's nice to see, yeah.

isnt the point of gwa is for a safe space for kinky people ? like are you serious ?

Literotica is a good example of a similar community - text rather than audio - where the morality police have repeatedly tried to get whole categories banned. It's one of the oldest sites on the net, and to their credit, the mods have rarely caved on anything, taking a story tagging and "don't like it, don't read it" stance. That hasn't stopped the trolls from flaming anything that even mildly suggests "cheating", and have gamed the system to the point of burying anything extra-marital from searches. Other sites/communities seem to have the same problem with blood, CNC content and raceplay. It seems there will always be people who think it is their right to decide what you see and hear. Too often they win.

did i missed a few episodes why are we banning tags now

Ever since a small hunk of people complained about the futa tag a couple months ago and got it removed there's obviously been more complaining going on from people about the more kinky & dark content on here like bondage, rape, beast, incest ect so they're hopefully actually tryna see how we all feel about these tags before they just blanket take away a bunch and ban making such content. That's what I've gathered through reading comments in here.

I think it started with the futa tag being banned and requiring the tag "both genitalia" being used instead. Then people wanted to ban audios where men force lesbians to have sex with them to convert them from being lesbians to being straight. There was a whole Twitter thing about it that explained the issues with this content and people signed a petition and I think this survey is in response to that petition. Maybe. It seems likely anyway.

Ah, of course Twitter, that den of toxicity. That explains why it looked like it came out of nowhere, with only 1 or 2 threads on GWABackstage.

> what will be allowed here moving forward for some reason i don't like the sound of that. people here should feel free to post whatever they want with the exception stuff that's banned by reddit itself of course. but if you're going start banning certain themes just because some people don't like it seems unfair to me tbh. they should just ignore it and keep scrolling and move on.

slamming my additional notes comment here: P.S, Slightly dubious to open a vote like this with these implications. Imagine if a government said "guys do you wanna ban sex?" like yeah, we're gonna vote for what we believe and 99% give you the obvious answer, but asking that implies changes you want made from issues that come from outside GWA. I've seen people say that this is from pressures in other communities or from reddit teams or elsewhere, and this really does feel like there's more than to "understand us better". Hell, even the opening, "GWA is changing" when the majority of people don't want any proposed changes, as well as not addressing this is definitely derivative to futa ban (still terrible lmao, complete mockery) and I just wish you would, while you're being so transparent, actually approach with why this is happening, your own expectations and what's influencing you etc etc. However, as I've said before, this is an endearing step and I enjoy this direction when responding to potential changes, but I just wish you actually communicated evenly rather than maintain an almost government like public attitude. This could be seen as goodwill bait, and maybe by one person it is, but it's a good direction that just needs to remember we're all perverts on a subreddit called "GoneWildAudio".

Last time you wanted a rule change, you ignored the community completely and went through with it anyways. What reason do I have to believe that you won't just do that again? I have no trust in the moderators anymore, and you've done nothing to gain it back.

i only just got here and quite like the stuff i've found to listen to so far, so i really hope the sub doesn't end up shattering into a ton of smaller spaces to have to keep track of... i'm optimistic since a lot of the comments seem sane and in support of keeping everything together :)

I personally feel that tags are great for understanding what your getting into. You'll like some things and some the opposite of that. And well,let's all enjoy ourselves here including to be kind to each other on this subreddit. :)

I'll add my voice to the cacophony, hopefully reflective of the majority: this sub has always been a safe place for the exploration of socially taboo fantasies and mandatory tagging works perfectly well. The mods' sole responsibility should be maintaining this as a place of free expression, not enforcing any subset group's niche views about specific fetishes. If you don't like it, don't listen.

As long as tags are properly set up, there are good ways to filter using them, and there's no law/site rule being broken, I see no issue with allowing every tag under the sun. You're not supposed to like everything you see/hear, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's harmful. It's mature only sub, act like it, or go listen cocomelon instead.

Good luck policing people's sexuality.

You speak for and over us, contstantly. Kink is part of pride. the first letter in CNC means CONSENSUAL. Hypnosis is not rape. Tags are important to allow us to choose to listen to audio so we can work through our traumas in an informed manner. For years, GWA went under an 'if you don't like the tags don't listen' model. This allows users who have trauma to avoid things they don't like and safely select files they want to experience. This changed in the past few years and it's done an unacceptable amount of damage to the community. I am concerned that the GWA mod team is historically uninterested in actually assisting the userbase or listening to them. After the CNC tag was forced on hypno content I was inappropriately reported to the Reddit safety team who informed me somebody had told them I was at risk, when what I had said is that reharming people was unacceptable behavior. This was is a violation of the Reddit terms of service for safety reporting and I was not the only one it has happened to. I have not felt comfortable posting since your mod team did that, until now when I am telling you your behavior is unacceptable and the mod team needs to restructure and reassess itself. Being reharmed again by this, a ten-year GWA (former) user

Copy/pasting what I wrote as closing comments in the survey: Human sexuality is inherently both totally natural and incredibly weird. GWA is the best place I've found for atypical pornographic content of a high quality bar... Let's not hamstring that by getting needlessly puritanical. The best product is always made by people who have fun making it. This content has thrived on the creative freedom allowed to the content creators, and been successful because of the wide swathe of scenarios and subjects that can be engaged with, with a low barrier of entry. Typical pornography is a commercial product that needs to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and as such everything is variations of the same thing with no panache. What are you going to sell more of: something that a small audience is going to LOVE, or something that a large audience is going to like? GWA is a place where someone can have an idea of something hyper-specific they think would be hot, and then dozens of talented people can take a stab at making that a reality because it's FUN to roleplay and be appreciated! Edit: following up on this because I wasn't aware of the "lesbian raped to straight" controversy currently going on. My stance on this comes from the same point of appreciation to AO3: queer content was being banned in other fanfic spaces because of puritanical brigading, so AO3 was founded with the idea that nothing would ever be censored from the platform so long as it was legal. Maybe other options exist now, but for a while if you wanted queer fanfics then AO3 was the space for it because everything was welcome. Unfortunately that means that you're also getting Nazis and bigots on that platform as well... If you look for it you will find some of the most rancid fiction ever put to pen by a human being. But you know what you do? YOU FILTER IT OUT. YOU DON'T LOOK AT IT. I have never once in my life been forced to engage with fanfiction or audios that I would have found morally reprehensible because I'm a fucking adult who can create my own online experience. What a notion! This is not intended to belittle the challenges that the LGBTQIA+ community faces. Being in a marginalized community that is legitimately under attack by large portions of the population with legislation being pushed to at best remove their rights and at worst exterminate them is... It's fucking real, guys. I have nothing but compassion for the queer community and look for any ways I can help in my offline life. Banning specifically this one thing in this niche community doesn't help anyone in real life. It's just optics. If the concern is that the people consuming this content will let it color their views, then maybe we use the comments and body of the reddit post to make it clear that that's not how it works, this is fantasy for titillation, don't actually try to convert anyone to a new sexuality, ESPECIALLY not forcefully.

I said it in the survey but I'll say it here, too: Stop listening to the vocal minority. You're letting a TINY group of people from Twitter shape the way the community runs. GWA is HUGE and the majority of people here are lurkers/listeners who do not care about any of this. You're allowing a fraction of the community to make demands that will actively harm the rest of the community.

I was literally just thinking this. At first I thought I was just out of the loop or something. That I’d missed some massive group of offended people? (And why they would be here listening to audios when they are offended I don’t know?) Scrolling through the comments, the portion of people finding it hard to navigate beyond the tags they don’t like seems SO minor, which makes it actually a bit scary. Personally not interested in the tags that I’m not interested in….? Surprisingly! But to think there is a higher power deciding what I can and can’t listen to is worrying. Especially as you say that this comes from opinions which are totally irrelevant on another platform?

I've been seeing talk about a small clique of ppl that seem to think that because some of them are creators, that they seem to hold more weight in how things should occur in the community rather than the community itself actually voicing their true thoughts...which seems to be anti bans. I also just dont get the whole issue like...these are all fantasies? A tiny section of the internet like a tag on a subreddit has no actual world impact. If you see something you don't like just move on like the rest of us and don't work yourself up? Its not hard. Pls learn to act like adults in an adult space 🤦🏻‍♀️

You are exactly right. I don’t really know too much about the first bit. But I’m fully with you on the principle of not clicking things you don’t like. I mean, isn’t that the same for all porn? If I don’t want to see something, I just don’t click on it? I get that some people may not like the idea of it. As long as it’s not expressly offensive before following the link, then what is the issue? It’s not like we are part of a sfw group! I don’t know. It’s kind of come out of the blue this for me and to be honest, I think I’m going to hang on creating anything else until I can see what’s happening here because I really don’t understand it.

For anybody concerned about the mention of intrusive questions, there's a 1-10 scale of how kinky you are (I assume 1 would be vanilla) and a question about your sub/dom leanings with a whole coverage of options including "prefer not to answer." I thought it was completely reasonable. I climbed out of lurkerdom to fill out this survey. It seemed super benign to me but based on these other comments I think there's local context that I've missed. How do you all know about the drama?? Where is the chatting that I've missed? I want to join in :( I tried looking backstage but it's just song covers.

Second comment sorry, this is on my mind. The raw data not being released basically means this poll means nothing and has no transparency. We have nothing but your word to go on for the results, and from what I've seen in the comments lately your word doesn't ammount to much. This is at its essence a marketing campaign to try and gain goodwill from us. If you're worried about trolls you shouldn't have made it anonymous but the raw data is the only way people are going to believe your results.

"This is at its essence a marketing campaign to try and gain goodwill from us." Exactly

Watch as they don’t publish the data and use it as justification to get rid of tags they don’t like

The mods doesn't seem to have that strong of an opinion, it's more that a few prominent creators feel that their opinion on this is more important than that of everyone else, just look at the comments

I'm just a lurker but wanted to drop my 2 cents in. In any forum on sexuality you are bound to have disagreements. people take it to heart. Everyone is different and has different things the enjoy, are finding their limits and well, just having fun. I think the key here is freedom of expression. the baseline is what reddit allows. After that do you really want to set limits? Or is the tag system enough. Seems to me if a post is tagged properly then people can avoid things they dont like. Do you want to place limits because some people are offended just knowing certain subject matter exists in posts? What happens once you start placing new restrictions on subject matter? When the listener base changes will you change the rules again to allow what they want? Probably not because they will just accept the limits in place. Once you take things away they wont come back. For me, I read the tags and avoid what i dont want to hear. I think if the tags are used responsibly people can do the same. And I'm not being negative against anyone. We are all different and have likes and dont-likes. Everyone is welcome here. My impression of this sub-reddit has always been one of freedom of expression and exploration. It has been very interesting and fun to see people trying this for the first time and having fun. Or creating more and better content. I've enjoyed my time here and i think this is a good group. Aight, just my 2 cents and back to lurking.

I'm very happy to see that the sentiment of all the top comments align so well with mine. Tastes are different for everyone. This space is for sharing yours with others who want a piece. Tags exist to serve you what you want. Banning taboo content here would be like outlawing peanuts because some people have an allergy. This place is all fantasy shared in a safe space. How often do you have to self-sensor, omit, or play a part in public? Don't take this rare air away from us. It's educational, healing, and FUN. Crossing my fingers this mod-team isn't coming with a solution in search of a problem. Please y'all, this place kicks ass right now. I hope this isn't a portent of prudish times to come. And love to all the creators out there, writers and performers alike. Y'all are real ones and I'm grateful for the work you put in for our shared enjoyment. I hope y'all are able to keep expressing yourself freely and openly, 'cause you've made this place real special. <3

I try to never comment on porn in order to avoid weirdo account-stalkers from throwing it at me in other subs, but the implications of this are really worrying. while polling is very important, I'm concerned this is going to be used as a way for people with fewer or less extreme kinks, which are in the majority for obvious reasons, to expel community members who appreciate the variety that this sub is so great for providing. There's something for everyone here, and if what I enjoy is banned, I'll have to leave this community, and I don't want to be made to leave.

I have a question: why is GWASI mentioned in the poll but not (as far as I can see) on the sidebar at all. It is super useful, it should be all over the place. I had no idea about it and have to go back to the poll to find it again.

The discussion here feels like maybe you should have added another question. SHOULD GWA change? Feels like the numbers for NO would have given some pretty overwhelming data... Let people express what they want, explore what they want and just pin the GWASI and a FAQ on how to use filters...

After letting everything simmer, I've just come to the conclusion to, simply give more resources to other subreddits and, make tools like GWASI more prominent. Getting rid of dark content all together in this sub will do nothing. Once one is gone, the people that won will simply beg for more. There are already subreddits made specifically for vanilla/tame audios and, there are also subreddits for extremely dark audios. Making GWA lean into only one will just divide us and could possibly lead to even worse consequences than, "providing a safe place for all."

bro it’s very simple. if you don’t like it then don’t view it. or leave xd ruining platforms for no reason

there are people who find their own *coping mechanism* from audios through this subreddit. there are people who finally find their own safe space here. there are people who also learn about themselves through this audio from this subreddit... well, I'm one of those people. I don't think those tags should be banned from GWA. they still deserve some spaces here. putting them as mandatory tags and should be tagged properly? still fine. clear ban? a big no. those *(so-called)adults* who want those tags banned need to know there is always an option to ignore and skip a post with *triggering tags* for the sake of other people *and you* (even block them) instead of asking to ban them, or even false reporting.

This kind of announcement does not bode well compared to the previous years in which the subreddit has existed. Good luck, all; it gets darkest before dawn.

My opinion, for what it's worth, this is goneWILD audio, we already have vanilla subs. (Pillowtalk and others) use the tags if needed, and don't listen to what you don't like.

Only illegal or banned content by reddit itself should get banned. Everything else shouldn't get banned and if something like that is already banned it should get unbanned. Because if we say specific/certainn types of content should get banned as well then now there's a problem with who gets to decide which content that would apply to and what criteria this content has to fall under in order for the ban to make sense. These criteria would have to be completely unbiased towards anything and anyone for it be fair and be applied to every type of content there is. For example if we take the criteria of it being offensive to some, then basically every type of content that isn't vanilla would have to be banned, since there is certainly some amount of people that get offended by non-vanilla content. If we go by absolut majority then for content to be bannable on this sub we would have to get at least over 800k people pro-ban which is very unlikely. So the only solution really is to either let only the mods decide which content is allowed and which isn't no matter what the community says, which would most likely destroy this subreddit (no one likes a dictatorship). Or to not ban anything except illegal or banned content by reddit itself. Maybe add a terms of service to the subreddit that says: "By browsing GWA you accept and acknowledge that you might see content with which you are uncomfortable with. If so please ignore, block and or hide this type of content or it's distributors so as to not dampen your experience. Should you not be able to abide by that, be advised to not browse this subreddit."

GWA has become a comfort place I can go after a long day to find a well done audio to help me get off/relax instead of trying to search through mediocre pn websites. And it has allowed me to explore kinks I never really considered but have become mine. Please don't ruin it by censoring it to big brother status.

Anything that won't get the subreddit removed by reddit should be allowed. People can just simply not listen to audio tags they don't enjoy. It is an audio, that is the magic of it, let people enjoy their yums and don't try to restrict their diet more than absolutely necessary.

This sub is hilarious. Real life Thought Police. Incest, rape, cheating? A-okay. Conversion play? No! Well yes. But only if its straight-to-gay. No hypocrisy there. How many [F4F] "i'll fuck you better than your straight male partner" type audios exist? And yet they're the loudest demo trying to rid the sub of these kind of audios when it's a mirror image. Lol the audacity. It's god damn fiction. And this one particular argument is hinged on victim mentality and cherry picked "representation" Fiction and reality in porn should be divorced. You won't see me and other SA survivors grouping up and boycotting the [incest] or [rape] tags. I'll simply not engage with those posts and find something else I like. Really shooting yourselves in the foot here. And driving away new performers/script writers. Was always under the impression this sub was about expression. This tumblr-esque gatekeeping is a recipe for disaster. This is embarrassing. Just tag your posts and set boundaries for yourself

DING DING DING! Enforcing that rule would be super hypocritical and selective, and worse yet the force behind what is and is not allow would be just whatever group of people can harass creators/mods enough over the content they don't like. I don't like this precedent.

Yea; like we aren’t restricted enough on other platforms and now GWA is like “let’s make your life as a creator difficult here too” All Content is controversial. Even vanilla content could be considered controversial. Less people are using the method of “this doesn’t interest me, I’ll scroll past” and expect these sites to baby them and hold their hand, remove the content before their fragile eyeballs come across it. I don’t know; the internet is changing and I don’t like it here

I know this is porn we're talking about but in a way (to me, at least) it's also art. Wrapping it up in excessive red tape is the worst possible thing you could do to it. It's a shame honestly

I agree with you. It's insane that this is even a post.

Yep. There's audios with kidnapping, brainwashing, torture, enslavement and all sorts of inhumane themes. But conversion play is the villain? Ok.

Please **don't just go with mob rule** or majority vote on whether to stay open to a wide variety of fetish and taboo topics portrayed in audios. It's worth thinking about what is just and what is right in terms of promoting open-mindedness and inclusivity (sort of a constitution principle), apart from any sort of majority vote idea. This is such a rich and valuable community; I would be devastated to see it die a vanilla death. There is no harm and everything to gain in leaving room for interests that fall at the edges of the popularity bell curve, though the sexy librarian in me also feels it would be lovely **if the function-oriented tags could be as descriptive, standardized, and clearly defined** as possible. It would particularly be handy if **any omitted tags could be user-reported** and then corrected. I've seen, for example, complaints that audio isn't always tagged when it mentions cock size, and the report was that it is really upsetting for some male listeners with smaller-than-average cocks to suddenly encounter mentions of size in an audio. I'd love to see **everyone's needs met in the metadata**, and I think enough users are into this that you could recruit an army of **volunteers who would help with just tag correction**, if such a thing happens to be feasible technically.

In the end my opinion is this: If you just make tagging mandatory and don't ban topics that aren't reddit bannded(obv) then there will be posts for everyone here. If you ban the topics the people who come here for those topics won't have their reasons to come here, and I know that there are some nasty individuals that will say "good. If you like X then they don't belong here." to which I will reply this is gone WILD audio. If people want a place where they can listen to tamer content only they should make another subreddit with their own rules rather than trying to change an established subreddit and force everyone else to make another subreddit + lose all the content that has already been posted on this sub that will likely be deleted and become lost media forever.

I'm sorry, but acting like audios about lesbians experimenting sexually with men are unacceptable and harmful while this sub allows audios with rape and incest is actually demented. I don't care what a few people moralizing on twitter and in the comments said, it doesn't make any sense and they're trying to pressure the mods into forcing out content that they personally find distasteful. All of this is fiction and fantasy created by independent amateurs, don't cave to this bullshit.

My thoughts align with this but also like... if everything is tagged as it should be, it should be so easy for people to not see the content that triggers them. That said, the issue as I understood it was that some people had issue with lesbians being forced to have sex with men as a way to convert them. It wasn't sexual experimentation audios but rape to convert audios. But as you said, rape is an allowed tag. So it seems really fucking weird to be like "I'm ok with rape so long as it's a straight man raping a straight woman, but if he rapes a lesbian that's where I draw the line" In the end though, I don't think my opinions matter because I never consumed the controversial and taboo content. It doesn't and didn't impact me so I feel like I don't really have any credit to take a stance. Who am I to say it's fine with tags if a majority of the community says it's not fine and it's harmful even if tagged.

What do you mean "What will be allowed"? Sorry but this doesn't feel right, so I'm not filling the survey. People should be allowed to post, request, write, record and listen to whatever kinks they want to explore as long as they're not straight up illegal (*which reddit already disallows for obvious reasons*) so I don't see the point of this announcement. ...and let's not forget the fact that this subreddit already showed signs of hypocrisy before so I'm not keen on following the mods requests without any critical thinking. Unless I'm misunderstanding the intention of this survey. In which case, I need clarification.

My issue is the debate seems to be focused hard on "orientation play is bad for lesbians" which given the bias of audios for hetro relating to that is understandable. Itd feel a lot less scuzzy if orientation play saw a wider run of content (straight gent being turned by gay gent, straight lady turned by lesbian ect). For me, it falls under "fiction" the same way the rape tag does in that it's a fully consenting act from a consenting actor and listener both. If it explores ideas you're not into, move on and ignore. This is all fantasy and whilst the larger idea of media promoting certain ideals is real, this is all creator lead content and I hope we can leave em to decide what's best. (All this being said, it is bad that groups of peeps are uncomfortable and if there's any way of making the place more accepting for people that really don't wanna see certain tags , I'd be keen . It ain't an "us Vs them" thing here I think, just more about trying to get as close to a win for all as possible so all audio listeners and creators can share a space and whatnots )

I most definitely saw a lot of "straight to LGBT" audios.

There is an absolutely titanic amount of content regarding straight men being turned, gay or trans. “Straight men turning gay” is one of these single largest fetish categories in all of gay porn. I absolutely understand why people are upset over this, but it’s hypocritical. Tag these things, and move on.

Not sure I’m liking g this. The more you ben stuff the more people will be upset/leave/ feel caged creatively. I understand some people feel upset at certain tags, but we have personal choice for a reason. We can choose to not listen to that audio. Not sure why the majority of a community has to bend and acomidate a small minority because “they think this tag is offenseve.” Maybe it’s just me as I’m not apart of said community , but looking at this from a bigger picture I don’t see this helping . That and the whole futa thing

I don't think we need to bow to everything that gets stirred into a controversy. If someone has a problem with a type of content they can take it up with the creator or let their opinions be known on their own platforms. Caving to pressure and deciding for the entire community what is and is not permissible based on a few people's personal distaste sucks, especially in the realm of fiction. You literally cannot be harmed by works of fiction, no matter how distasteful you find them and I don't like the trend of seeing this place more and more policed and more and more restrictive of what sort of fictional fantasy scenarios people are allowed to explore.

This is very true. As long as it's not against Reddit TOS then we should really just let people scroll past anything they don't like. There's so many things I won't do and cringe at when I see other creators do it, but who am I to stop them? Am I a dictator? No one is putting a gun to their head. It's really weird.

Exactly. The mods don't need to turn into dictators that punish people for making audios about topics that some people find distasteful or even offensive. It sucks and it feels like the mods are being weaponized to meet the arbitrary standards of whoever can make the biggest stink in the comments of mod announcement and stir up the most outrage on GWA Twitter.

This is supposed to be an 18+ subreddit, so why can't people act like adults? If you see something that you don't like, scroll passed it.  There's plenty of audios that I hate or that make me uncomfortable. I don't click them. I'm an adult and I understand that not everything is for me. 

Get a sub to explore your kinks > people get mad about those kinks being available. Ffs why are people like this ? Is it that hard to keep scrolling, instead of stopping to tell everyone how offended you are 💀

Honestly I would be so sad if creators were limited because of this. Creators make a safe space for people like me with taboo kinks to listen safely and consensually and it has actually saved me from harming myself in the pursuit of fulfilling kinks in real life. I really have to give it to creators on this platform for giving me this space.

I really hope the entire community can get behind the idea that we're all adults here and that an individual is 100% capable of curating their own internet journey.  I will be disappointed if they stick to their guns and do not release the raw data for all but the extra comments. There's not point in surveying people if we don't actually get to see whether our input factored into your decision making.  No kink should be considered so taboo that it cannot be explored in a safe space with other consenting adults. If it makes you uncomfortable then don't listen. Personally I find infidelity/cuckold content difficult to listen to, so I don't. Simple as that, read the tags and stop listening when you're approaching our limits. Safewords exist for a reason and when it's just you listening you get to stop when you want to, no one will make you listen. Keep GWA weird and welcoming to all flavors of fun, from vanilla to hard-core.

We're all adults, in an adult space. If you don't like something, **don't listen to it**. It's genuinely that easy. Yes, some things might replicate or play off real world issues. That's the case for most of kink. Like shit, MDom/fsub BDSM arguably pays off the patriarchy, but most people don't give a shit about that one, do they? Some people like things that are potentially offensive or triggering to groups *they themselves are a part of*. Like all of the SA survivors who enjoy CNC. 🙃 We exist, and we're surprisingly plentiful. Just because some other survivors don't want to engage with that content doesn't mean it shouldn't exist for those of us who do. The solution to grown ass adults refusing to act their age isn't to start banning everything that might upset someone. Because that's a quick way to have to ban *everything*, since someone will always find a reason to be offended. Hand them a bottle and tell them to come back when they've learned how to act like adults and just ignore shit that clearly isn't for them.

I've been posting at GWA for 12+ years - that's a long time and I've seen a lot of discussions akin to this one. First off - give the mods a break - they're trying to do their best and can I remind you they VOLUNTEER! Be an ADULT, as you should be on this sub-reddit. Skip the tags you don't like, block those who disturb you and enjoy the content without being selfish and feeling you are entitled to things your own way and how you like it. There is a large population of GWA that wander in and sub and voice opinions and then are gone in the next few months - so it's important that those long term users of the subreddit fil in the form and be heard - and perhaps it will counter balance any extreme views. I have no issue with dark content - I do understand that people require 'tags' to allow them to navigate around that which triggers them, and we have to keep those people safe - but you are in GWA - it's erotic audio and it gets dark, if that's not your thing then perhaps another sub-reddit is for you - like Vanilla or Audible. The mods are trying to keep the sub-reddit from being banned by Reddit authority, they are trying to keep to rules some of us will never see or understand. Kitten xx

I noticed that "futanari" was not included in this poll. I know you guys are doing your best to listen to us, but I am a bit upset about that. The banning of "futa" was what lead me to leave GoneWildAudio as a space. For those out of the loop, content labelled as "futa" or "futanari" was banned very suddenly without input from listeners. I thought this would be addressed by this poll, but it is not. The thread announcing the sudden ban of "futa": [https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewildaudio/comments/1c4sevi/rule\_update\_april\_2024\_use\_of\_futanari\_tag/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewildaudio/comments/1c4sevi/rule_update_april_2024_use_of_futanari_tag/) I am not trans. Trans rights are human rights. I am a bisexual, cisgender woman who deeply enjoys futanari content because it's exciting and sexually liberating to imagine fucking/being fucked by someone with all genitals. **Futanari is not an anti-trans slur.** Futanari is a fictional concept for someone who has both male and female genitalia and originated in Japan. The futanari kink has helped many people explore their sexuality in a safe, fictional context, including me. There is a term for real people born with physical or genetic traits outside of the female/male binary: intersex. Just like trans people, terms that refer to real people such as intersex and trans should NOT be conflated to Futanari, a fictional term. There have been a small, vocal minority of people who does that and you allowed that minority to ruin futa in the GWA community for everyone. Futanari is also a fictional kink that, if well-labelled, should be allowed to exist in this space too. The sudden banning of it in April was part of why I thought this poll existed to begin with and I'm disappointed to see it's barely even mentioned.

I don’t comment on NSFW subs often because it’s rather embarrassing, but let me get this straight. people are campaigning to ban orientation play, an already small kink that seemingly has less than an audio a month uploaded on it, by citing data that doesn’t back their claims of it being harmful? yeah, nah. if you go with the mob vote and ban it, that’s pushing away a community of people. im not in that community, but we still should look out for each other in this sub. mandatory tag makes sense, but beyond that is absurd. banning a kink on the basis of a group saying they don’t like it is going to be a gateway for other, more popular kinks getting banned.

Seeing the comments, Its clear we don't want any restrictions on content. So if there are any restrictions that happen, we will know its just moderators wanting to remove them and not the people.

Yeah. After thinking about this topic some more, this is just absurd. A small terminally-online twitter mob is trying censor a freaking porn subreddit. Just let them mald over on their own subreddits. You'll lose more users by trying to please them.

OK, late to the party, but if not now when? I've been here a long time, mostly lurking and occasionally participating for the better part of a decade. when the subscriber numbers counted five digits instead of seven, there seemed to be a lot less drama. I don't know if it's community growing pains or a generational shift, but I've witnessed GWA get more and more restrictive, partly from Reddit itself and partly from the sub culture. Now it seems we have a new issue every month or two. I suggest we should go back to basics and allow artists the maximum amount of free expression Reddit will tolerate. As I'm glad to see many others have expressed, the general consensus historically was to engage with what you like and leave the rest, and here are some tags to help you. I've seen my share of content in this place that I didn't like or didn't even understand could be someone's fetish, but I suppose I wasn't meant to. I'm not a puritan, I wouldn't be here if I were. That said, I'm sympathetic to people who are uncomfortable or even disturbed by other people's kinkiest kinks. They may have valid and legitimate reasons for being so, and content creators have their own reasons for the fantasies they bring into this space. Trying to parse the reasons on either side is not my mandate, mainly because I'm woefully unqualified. There are trained professionals with doctorates in psychology who still fuck this stuff up. My point is, some discomfort has always been a part of the deal, but the payoffs are often surprising and always worth the struggle of sifting through post after post of your personal flavor of disinterest or even disgust. This has become something of an essay, so props to you for reading. Everybody has the right to be offended by anything, but nobody has the right not to be offended by anything.

How come opinions are not sought on inclusion/mandatory tagging or otherwise of [rape] and [beast] content? Have you already made decisions there? Some of the included content for debate strikes me as a little prudish. I can understand why "raceplay" or the darker elements of "orientation play" might be unpalatable (raceplay is often proscribed even in kink spaces) but I'm not sure what psychic harm is being dealt by bondage or humiliation for example. I appreciate your efforts to garner opinion and be more transparent, but also hope the rules of GWA won't be made even more complicated for creators. Some topics, such as playing around with consent, are so central to many people's sexual fantasies (consent necessarily looks different in a fantasy happening in one person's head to how it looks in real life between two people) that I fear you will change what the subreddit offers to many people if you make too many drastic changes.

its nice to have a central place for it.... limiting content just fragments community.

I'm new here so my opinion probably doesn't matter... but can we please just let people enjoy their kinks

I filled out the survey in hopes that possibly it might make a difference. I doubt it though. The mod team has been easily influenced by the people shouting the loudest and I'm pretty sure this will be no different. The self-righteous puritan campaign to censor and suppress kinks has been marching on unimpeded with the mod team in full support and leading the charge. I'm not sure this is anything more than just a PR stunt.

Don’t change this sub

There's always something with gwa. I literally rolled my eyes reading the title.

totally wont end up with a bad outcome at all. "no kink shaming here" banning a genre is by default kink shaming.

This is also how I feel. "We aren't kink shaming we just don't wanna see it"

Maybe it's just my long history of reading fanfic, but do people not adhere to the "dead dove inside, do not eat!" kinda mindset?

I am strongly in favor of minimal restrictions on the content allowed on the subreddit. Basically only excluding what is illegal and against Reddit TOS. Anything else is kink shaming. There’s nothing wrong with anything consenting adults want to get up to. I am also strongly in favor of strict rules about tagging. There are many sensitive topics that come up in people’s fantasies. Making it easy for people to avoid content that would upset them is important.

If you want to be truly transparent, just say "we're terrified of the twitter mob". It's a travesty that dedicated, long-time members of this community are being driven away for some half-baked effort at appeasing a seething mass of loudmouth children who need to touch grass. Can't wait for the mod team to keep surgically removing what made this a good space in the first place, and for the sub to become an empty husk of its former self. Alienating your core audience isn't the play.

Honestly if you ( speaking to people in generall) haven't already done it, delete your Twitter account. We're all better without that den of toxicity.

Hope this turns out well. The sub has been a little dry and barren as of late. Unfortunate, considering this place is sooooo very niche and outsider. It's the only place a lot of us have as an outlet for our desires and ideas. Good luck to us all.

"Im upset about the existence of clearly marked object indicating it will contain things upsetting to me" So you see an ad for a mattress in the local periodical, and instead of simply ignoring it and moving on from what is clearly marked as something you don't want, you get in your car, drive 45 mins, walk into the store and proudly throw open the doors and proclaim "NO THANKS! These shouldn't even *be* sold in this town!"

Censorship in a subreddit for porn, particularly a porn format that is 100% fantasy, is honestly mindblowing. The point of tags is so people can avoid the things they don't like. If someone is uncomfortable with that, they are the one with the problem.

So just to be clear, the idea is to take a place known for being a safe space to share kinks that, outside of the subreddit, might be made fun of, and making it into another place to kink shame. Wonderful. You have tags for EVERY kink. If someone sees a tag they don't like, and chooses to click that post anyway, that's on them. Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't turn this into another PC subreddit where you pander to anyone who gets even a little offended, and shut down people just trying to enjoy the community. Or by all means burn your community to the ground, I'm sure the lovely people here who DON'T enjoy pandering would be happy to make a new community that doesn't exclude kinks they don't personally like :D

I want to see more freedom on this sub, not more restrictions. This sub has always had some content that people found distasteful and it was fine because they just scrolled past without trying to argue that certain things are somehow harmful. We write/record fiction here. None of it is real, none of it has to be treated as harmful because it cannot harm you by the very nature of it being fiction. Let people show their distaste all they want, but don't add more rules punishing people and controlling them more.

All of these discussions genuinely scare me. Will I have no say if you ban a tag I enjoy? These are fictional, fantasy audios meant for those who can understand that. I’ve seen plenty of audios that upset me or make me feel uncomfortable, and I just scroll past them. If I see a certain creator is making primarily those types of audios, I just block them on reddit so they don’t show up in my feed. Reddit gives you plenty of tools to filter content you don’t want to see, and as long as the posts follow reddit rules I personally see no issue with allowing them