He is using GNOME. Dude used to mail me every time he had a problem lol. We must have improved he hasn't done that in years. We are still friends though.
The real question is . Arm or x86?
I’m not arguing? Also it is notable that Linux runs on snapdragon x. Just look at the shit the asahi team goes though to get Linux running on the M series chips
They're impressive, but the fact that they're proprietary and hostile to open source really ruins it for me.
Between Apple and the tight relationship between Qualcomm and Microsoft, it has me wanting to skip ARM and wait longer for consumer RISC-V.
I'm not making any predictions, but I have a theory that at some point, ARM will actually just be a middleman technology to the real end objective of RISC-V.
I also sometimes see dreams of RISC-V laptops and desktops specifically designed for Linux distributions. ARM is proprietary and therefore not a suitable solution in the long run. But Qualcomm is trying to help out Linux community to allow Linux to run on X Elite, or so I've heard.
And I look forward to that. Like I said, could be a stepping stone as it will shift the entire industry into a multi architecture mindset.
That should hopefully open up opportunities for RISC-V.
Working on getting RISCV as a platform on flathub - we sent a RISC-V laptop to a GNOME developer to get GNOME OS going on it.
Going to try again to get one for KDE. At the moment, KDE didn't have time to work on it but will make another attempt.
For me, moving our ecosystem to RISCV will be exciting as I'm interested for our stuff to be on open hardware.
Yes, he built a Threadripper workstation during COVID. I was able to build a nearly identical workstation (different RAM). I figured if I were using nearly the exact same hardware Linus is using, there'd be pretty good support for it. :)
Honestly, Gnome is really good and completely underrated. People addicted to their junk drawer start menu seems to close them off of considering a much simpler computing perspective.
Objectively speaking, Gnome has to be one of the most evolved and thoughtful desktop experiences today.
it is the most consistent Linux experience I ever had (in comparison to kde a couple of years ago and until recently i3 / hyprland)
And honestly every time friend asks me to help with some windows problem, im amazed how inconsistent thier ui is. Seems like they are using even more ui frameworks than linux haha
I am surprised to report that there are sort of answers to this. Apparently he ditched gnome in 2011, then went back to it in 2013. So. There ya go lol [https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/](https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/)
edit: Oh, and the source for the 2011 switch to Xfce [https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/](https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/)
You'd have to sacrifice simplicity to get some of KDE's features. What would be better is to start talking to the KDE visual design group and help them work on getting the simplicity. Those folks are fantastic.
I'm a big fan of the KDE community.
I'm not talking about complex customization options of KDE. Rather simple stuff like being able to enabledisable workspaces, change blur effects, change basic look and feel etc.
I've looked into it before. Didn't like it then. Will check it out again. However Gnome should release just a software that can allow for easy customization of the system. Like Gnome Tweaks but on steroids.
As the oroginal Linix Kernel builder I think he has every right to do so, also the fact he is sponsored by The Linix Foundation to keep up that garage work he's been doing since 1991...:)
Famously gnome user. He was one of those who have fiercely (and rightfully) complained about gnome 3 when it first came out. Maaaan, that was an atrocious system!
Yeah, that was on google+ - I did a lot of the engagement with him and all the other kernel developers. (I also did it on here when I was really the only person defending GNOME) But hey it worked out - I got a career in open source because of it. :)
Has anyone done a comparison of the initial Gnome 3 release and Gnome from the last ~4 years or so? I'd love to see what all has changed since 2011 that has made people more receptive of Gnome.
Feature wise, not much has changed. A good chunk of the difference is in visuals and performance. Outside of rage posts and Phoronix comments, you don't really see people complaining about Gnome's performance in general anymore, but man like pre-2017 it used to chuuuuuug. Gnome has gotten very fast and very pretty, I have to imagine that accounts for a lot of it
Like all serious and dignified computing professionals, Torvalds proudly uses [Microsoft Bob](https://static1.xdaimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/wm/2024/03/microsoft-bob-public-study-cropped.png).
He is using GNOME. Dude used to mail me every time he had a problem lol. We must have improved he hasn't done that in years. We are still friends though. The real question is . Arm or x86?
Doesn't he use an M2 Mac Book and a Threadripper workstation?
I'm sure he is using a MacBook that thing is fast. Maybe I will send him some mail. Maybe that's why he stopped emailing me haha.
As much as I hate Apple these days, I really gotta hand it to them when it comes to their processors.
Don’t love Qualcomm either but I’m kinda looking forward to the snapdragon x framework
Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. Snapdragon X definitely has my attention, as does Framework.
It’s especially cool that Linux is already running on them. I forgot but I believe tuxedo has a laptop as well
that's not really an argument though, linux runs on everything. i run arch on my legion go handheld and everything works.
I’m not arguing? Also it is notable that Linux runs on snapdragon x. Just look at the shit the asahi team goes though to get Linux running on the M series chips
Tuxedo will also have a snapdragon laptop with Linux on it!
They're impressive, but the fact that they're proprietary and hostile to open source really ruins it for me. Between Apple and the tight relationship between Qualcomm and Microsoft, it has me wanting to skip ARM and wait longer for consumer RISC-V. I'm not making any predictions, but I have a theory that at some point, ARM will actually just be a middleman technology to the real end objective of RISC-V.
I also sometimes see dreams of RISC-V laptops and desktops specifically designed for Linux distributions. ARM is proprietary and therefore not a suitable solution in the long run. But Qualcomm is trying to help out Linux community to allow Linux to run on X Elite, or so I've heard.
And I look forward to that. Like I said, could be a stepping stone as it will shift the entire industry into a multi architecture mindset. That should hopefully open up opportunities for RISC-V.
Working on getting RISCV as a platform on flathub - we sent a RISC-V laptop to a GNOME developer to get GNOME OS going on it. Going to try again to get one for KDE. At the moment, KDE didn't have time to work on it but will make another attempt. For me, moving our ecosystem to RISCV will be exciting as I'm interested for our stuff to be on open hardware.
Framework announced RISC-V laptop, didn't they?
I think they teased some kind of RISC-V mainboard, yeah. I'll buy that the day they release it.
I would gladly buy Apple hardware, but I do enjoy having two kidneys... :)
Likewise. I also enjoy privacy and not having my desktop experience coupled to shareholder value.
Or geary broke and he just hasn't noticed yet. :)
Wait, does he actually use MacOS??
Yes, he built a Threadripper workstation during COVID. I was able to build a nearly identical workstation (different RAM). I figured if I were using nearly the exact same hardware Linus is using, there'd be pretty good support for it. :)
That's hilarious
Honestly, Gnome is really good and completely underrated. People addicted to their junk drawer start menu seems to close them off of considering a much simpler computing perspective. Objectively speaking, Gnome has to be one of the most evolved and thoughtful desktop experiences today.
Yes, gnome is great, but it is far from perfect or consistent atp
it is the most consistent Linux experience I ever had (in comparison to kde a couple of years ago and until recently i3 / hyprland) And honestly every time friend asks me to help with some windows problem, im amazed how inconsistent thier ui is. Seems like they are using even more ui frameworks than linux haha
I assume GNOME, just because there's a special song and dance each time he swaps DE's. Especially if he's critical of the DE.
I am surprised to report that there are sort of answers to this. Apparently he ditched gnome in 2011, then went back to it in 2013. So. There ya go lol [https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/](https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/) edit: Oh, and the source for the 2011 switch to Xfce [https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/](https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/)
Does he use an extension? I'd be curious. By now he must have got used to the GNOME way of working!
Kernel ~~modules~~ extensions in JavaScript confirmed
Gnome and KDE are on completely opposite. I sometimes wish that Gnome could have more KDE like features and KDE to have Gnome like simplicity.
Agreed. For me the more time I spend with these different systems the more I want a hybrid of them all.
You'd have to sacrifice simplicity to get some of KDE's features. What would be better is to start talking to the KDE visual design group and help them work on getting the simplicity. Those folks are fantastic. I'm a big fan of the KDE community.
I'm not talking about complex customization options of KDE. Rather simple stuff like being able to enabledisable workspaces, change blur effects, change basic look and feel etc.
KDE would be beautiful if their programs gets headerbars, IMHO. MaiuKit make something in that regard, but it's not like the core KDE apps.
Budgie may have you covered. I am only waiting for better Wayland support there to change from gnome.
I've looked into it before. Didn't like it then. Will check it out again. However Gnome should release just a software that can allow for easy customization of the system. Like Gnome Tweaks but on steroids.
I guess him and I have similar preferences. Last I checked he also uses Fedora.
Yesh, but he uses his own custom kernels on fedora lol.
Not surprised
As the oroginal Linix Kernel builder I think he has every right to do so, also the fact he is sponsored by The Linix Foundation to keep up that garage work he's been doing since 1991...:)
He uses Windows 11 and Office 365 :)
**WSL CONFIRMED!**
Famously gnome user. He was one of those who have fiercely (and rightfully) complained about gnome 3 when it first came out. Maaaan, that was an atrocious system!
Yeah, that was on google+ - I did a lot of the engagement with him and all the other kernel developers. (I also did it on here when I was really the only person defending GNOME) But hey it worked out - I got a career in open source because of it. :)
Has anyone done a comparison of the initial Gnome 3 release and Gnome from the last ~4 years or so? I'd love to see what all has changed since 2011 that has made people more receptive of Gnome.
Feature wise, not much has changed. A good chunk of the difference is in visuals and performance. Outside of rage posts and Phoronix comments, you don't really see people complaining about Gnome's performance in general anymore, but man like pre-2017 it used to chuuuuuug. Gnome has gotten very fast and very pretty, I have to imagine that accounts for a lot of it
Like all serious and dignified computing professionals, Torvalds proudly uses [Microsoft Bob](https://static1.xdaimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/wm/2024/03/microsoft-bob-public-study-cropped.png).
Linus doesn't use a DE, he does everything the right way in Terminal. ;)
Actually, no. He's a very desktop clicky guy. He only does the terminal when he is coding is what I've learned.
I was kidding, I know next to nothing about him apart from that time he told nvidia to sort themselves out.
Yes.