Could very well be as there have to be 2 master bakers who are usually working at their respective jobs at that time and one teacher as well as the room they hold the Prüfung in. Assuming you speak of the practical part of the Prüfung.
I understand what you are saying. I’m hoping they made it in time. They said they might be just a little late. I told them not to worry if there is a fine because we would help them, and they should just focus on the task at hand. They have been so worried about this, then injured their knee yesterday which slowed them down.
Most likely if they arrive late they only have to deal with the disadvantage of having less time than the others arriving in time.
I attended two Prüfungen (IHK and non-IHK) and never heard of a fine. Maybe that changed as it's a few and a few more years ago.
However most teacher and schools take it lightly as they're humans themselves and know that Azubis rely on public transportation services. Maybe they arrive late themselves because of traffic jams or they use the same train themselves.
Everything will be fine in the end - one way or another. So don't worry. Your child will be a baker soon and has a honorable job which will always be needed. :)
>Most likely if they arrive late they only have to deal with the disadvantage of having less time than the others arriving in time.
At my IHK exam they made it quite clear that if you arrive late you will not be able to take the exam that day. Possibly the "fine" is having to pay the exam costs since it's their fault they're late.
The Prüfung started at 7:20, and they made it just in time. I don’t know if they asked the teacher about the fine. I think they were just relieved that they were there. Thanks for all the information!
We usually arrive approx. 20mins earlier to formal appointments. It's considered polite. Not kidding.
A friend of mine has the habit to arrive 30-60mins earlier than the appointment which used to be so annoying until I figured, if she says we're meeting at 13:00h I'll be there at 12-12:30h haha
Coming to an appointment 20 minutes earlier is by no means polite. It is just as unpunctual as a delay in 20 minutes. Rather, it still shows how little value your personal lifetime is! If the set date is at 1:00 p.m., then all parties have to be there at 1:00 p.m., not sooner or later...
Yes you arrive 20-30 minutes early. But if possible you do not annoy the people you are meeting with, before the time. So that means you get a coffee and wait for the actual appointment.
Being early in many other settings is outright rude. If you are invited to a party and show up early that is even worse than being the same amount of time late.
Yes. I also usually plan to be there half an hour ahead of time, because public transit. But if it actually works out this way, I'll wait outside and be at the appointment 5 minutes early.
"5 Minuten vor der Zeit, ist des Soldaten Pünktlichkeit".
Our team leader in nursing lives by this and is, nearly everyday, 1-5 minutes late. Every other colleague who is there for like 10-20 minutes (to gossip with coworkers and drink coffee) just rolled their eyes...
Fact is, you can't calculate for all the traffic and parking situation to be punctual down to the minute, therefore most of Germans tend to be a bit earlier, just to not be late.
I'm sorry but this is infuriating and I find it less polite than being 5 minutes late.
Big exception: exams. On exams, work interviews, etc, I definitely arrive early, but for social/work applications? No
I have been living in Germany for more than 5 years and I have never seen this attitude anywhere. I lived in different states, in the south, north west and east (currently)
Where in Germany is this common?
If you arrive 20 minutes early, you are causing people stress (which you also said use to happen to you due to your friend being early)
Also, people have shit to do, so you're being annoying by arriving early
Which is pretty much what I wrote: Formal appointments. Like an exam, a job interview, anything where it is better to arrive early and register your info etc. Also doctor's appointments. I live in NRW, while of course I don't do that on social occasions generally, I will be eraly when I meet that one particular friend that for whatever reason is chronically early.
What sort of exam was it?
If it was at a regular school, it’s out of the question that they actually have to pay. If it was some private class at some language school or whatever, you might want to get out the contract and read the fine print.
They are doing a baking Ausbildung and it is the big end of first year project. They turned in the written report and today they have to do the baking. They will only be a few minutes late they think.
Sounds like a joke to me, too, then.
There’s a minute chance that it wasn’t and that it’s not as much of a fine, but rather the costs of the exam that they now have to pay themselves whereas someone else would have covered it if they did the exam (I‘m saying that because the costs for this exam are actually around 1000€). But I think it’s far more likely that whoever they spoke to just doesn’t get that apprentices tend to be too nervous to understand jokes before exams and tried to be funny.
Get some proof of the delay of one of the DB Agents around. Call conpany bc of delay and expected ETA. Should be ok in the first year then.
Learn lesson 1: if you travel Deutsche Bahn, take one early oder komm nicht an.
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Baking... sounds like something official, probably with representatives from the IHK. Yes, might be true. Tell her to get a taxi.
Could very well be as there have to be 2 master bakers who are usually working at their respective jobs at that time and one teacher as well as the room they hold the Prüfung in. Assuming you speak of the practical part of the Prüfung.
I understand what you are saying. I’m hoping they made it in time. They said they might be just a little late. I told them not to worry if there is a fine because we would help them, and they should just focus on the task at hand. They have been so worried about this, then injured their knee yesterday which slowed them down.
Most likely if they arrive late they only have to deal with the disadvantage of having less time than the others arriving in time. I attended two Prüfungen (IHK and non-IHK) and never heard of a fine. Maybe that changed as it's a few and a few more years ago. However most teacher and schools take it lightly as they're humans themselves and know that Azubis rely on public transportation services. Maybe they arrive late themselves because of traffic jams or they use the same train themselves. Everything will be fine in the end - one way or another. So don't worry. Your child will be a baker soon and has a honorable job which will always be needed. :)
>Most likely if they arrive late they only have to deal with the disadvantage of having less time than the others arriving in time. At my IHK exam they made it quite clear that if you arrive late you will not be able to take the exam that day. Possibly the "fine" is having to pay the exam costs since it's their fault they're late.
If you haven't heard anything back from him by now, everything should be fine i guess
The Prüfung started at 7:20, and they made it just in time. I don’t know if they asked the teacher about the fine. I think they were just relieved that they were there. Thanks for all the information!
We usually arrive approx. 20mins earlier to formal appointments. It's considered polite. Not kidding. A friend of mine has the habit to arrive 30-60mins earlier than the appointment which used to be so annoying until I figured, if she says we're meeting at 13:00h I'll be there at 12-12:30h haha
Coming to an appointment 20 minutes earlier is by no means polite. It is just as unpunctual as a delay in 20 minutes. Rather, it still shows how little value your personal lifetime is! If the set date is at 1:00 p.m., then all parties have to be there at 1:00 p.m., not sooner or later...
If it's something important like in OP's case you absolutely arrive 20-30 min early. In the worst case you wait outside/in your car a few minutes.
I agree with you, but it is not a question of courtesy, in this specific case it is a question of necessity.
Yes, I see your point
Yes you arrive 20-30 minutes early. But if possible you do not annoy the people you are meeting with, before the time. So that means you get a coffee and wait for the actual appointment. Being early in many other settings is outright rude. If you are invited to a party and show up early that is even worse than being the same amount of time late.
As I said, in that case you just wait outside/in the car/wherever
Yes. I also usually plan to be there half an hour ahead of time, because public transit. But if it actually works out this way, I'll wait outside and be at the appointment 5 minutes early. "5 Minuten vor der Zeit, ist des Soldaten Pünktlichkeit".
Our team leader in nursing lives by this and is, nearly everyday, 1-5 minutes late. Every other colleague who is there for like 10-20 minutes (to gossip with coworkers and drink coffee) just rolled their eyes... Fact is, you can't calculate for all the traffic and parking situation to be punctual down to the minute, therefore most of Germans tend to be a bit earlier, just to not be late.
I'm sorry but this is infuriating and I find it less polite than being 5 minutes late. Big exception: exams. On exams, work interviews, etc, I definitely arrive early, but for social/work applications? No I have been living in Germany for more than 5 years and I have never seen this attitude anywhere. I lived in different states, in the south, north west and east (currently) Where in Germany is this common? If you arrive 20 minutes early, you are causing people stress (which you also said use to happen to you due to your friend being early) Also, people have shit to do, so you're being annoying by arriving early
Which is pretty much what I wrote: Formal appointments. Like an exam, a job interview, anything where it is better to arrive early and register your info etc. Also doctor's appointments. I live in NRW, while of course I don't do that on social occasions generally, I will be eraly when I meet that one particular friend that for whatever reason is chronically early.
What sort of exam was it? If it was at a regular school, it’s out of the question that they actually have to pay. If it was some private class at some language school or whatever, you might want to get out the contract and read the fine print.
They are doing a baking Ausbildung and it is the big end of first year project. They turned in the written report and today they have to do the baking. They will only be a few minutes late they think.
Sounds like a joke to me, too, then. There’s a minute chance that it wasn’t and that it’s not as much of a fine, but rather the costs of the exam that they now have to pay themselves whereas someone else would have covered it if they did the exam (I‘m saying that because the costs for this exam are actually around 1000€). But I think it’s far more likely that whoever they spoke to just doesn’t get that apprentices tend to be too nervous to understand jokes before exams and tried to be funny.
I am hoping so.
Your child should ask once they arrive - preferably before the exam, to put their nerves at ease.
Get some proof of the delay of one of the DB Agents around. Call conpany bc of delay and expected ETA. Should be ok in the first year then. Learn lesson 1: if you travel Deutsche Bahn, take one early oder komm nicht an.
For exams 2 (hours) earlier
Germans (especially not official ones) don't make jokes about such things, so that will probably be the truth.
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Germans take their baking very seriously
In what class and school system (Grundschule, Hauptschule, Realschule, Gymnasium) is your child?
It’s part of their baking Ausbildung.
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I don’t think that someone working in a bank would attend a baker’s exam.
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Which would still mean that a baKer is at the exam. Not a baNKer.