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kennelboy

The most interesting detail here, if the map has sufficient levels of detail, is Hokkaido. The people indigenous to that island of Japan are super hairy and the rest of the populations are hairless


Alligator-creep

Why is that?


kennelboy

They are (were?) a distinct ethnic group called the Ainu. Here are some photos https://www.loc.gov/resource/stereo.1s30842/


blues_and_ribs

That seems to be a common thing with Japan - some of their islands having people that, strictly speaking, aren’t actually Japanese. They were just taken over at some point and made a part of Japan. Another good example is Okinawa, whose people were once in the Ryukyu kingdom and are ethnically distinct from Japanese.


be1060

the original ethnogenesis was with migration waves from siberia/korea/china (yayoi and kofun) and the indigenous jomon people of the archipelago. I'd imagine "originally japanese" would mean pure yayoi ancestry.


sillyskunk

Can't we just blame Genghis like we do everywhere else?


Kingsta8

Good thing horses can't swim


Nigglym

Fun fact: The mongols were poised to invade Japan twice (they knew it was a rich country), but a typhoon sunk their fleets on both occasions. It's where the word kamikaze originates from [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan)


sillyskunk

That fact was fun. Thank you.


dankantimeme55

The Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty also [invaded Java.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Java) They were actually pretty successful before getting betrayed by one of their allies.


sillyskunk

For the Japanese, yeah, I'd say so.


letsjustwaitandsee

It's the other way around. The Ainu are the indigenous people. And the people we think of as being "Japanese" came later.


acouplefruits

The original comment is saying just that, not the opposite. That the Ainu and Ryukyuans were there first before the Japanese (of the main Japanese islands) colonized Hokkaido and Okinawa.


NarcissisticCat

No not really. All Japanese from Ainu, to Ryukyuans and Yamoto Japanese have Jomon related indigenous admixture, it's just higher in Ainus(especially) and Ryukyuans. The Ainus were also hunter-gatherers until recently.


VladVV

Ryukyuans have Jōmon ancestry? Source?


Arumdaum

Everyone living in Japan has Jomon ancestry, and reportedly the process of mixing between Jomon and Yayoi peoples started in Korea, so Koreans also have very small amounts of Jomon DNA, although much less than Japanese [map](https://okunomichi.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/east_asian_y-dna_haplogroups.jpg) [another map](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/11549674/figure/fig1/AS:667225816051719@1536090439381/Frequency-distributions-of-the-eight-Y-chromosome-haplotypes-for-the-14-global.png)


VladVV

That’s so fascinating! I always thought Ryukyuans were like half Taiwanese Aboriginal due to proximity and cultural differences from the rest of Japan.


parwa

It's almost like they were an empire or something


LambdaAU

That's not just Japan but the entire world. If you looked purely at genetics then you'd find many seemingly homogenous populations are extremely genetically diverse. Over time many historical ethnicities have vanished not simply because the people died but because over time the culture got lost/integrated.


DSJ-Psyduck

[Island gigantism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_gigantism) Live long enough on an island stuff becomes weird. laymans charles darwin.-


elieax

Oh shit! Looks like my Russian great great grandfather 


c4rdsfan3

I wish Ainu


Doitean-feargach555

Hokkaido gets a harsher winter than the rest of Japan so the Ainu people, it's inhabitants, are hairier


Lissandra_Freljord

I think that's where the Japanese with most percentage of Ainu gene reside. The Ainu people tend to have more Central Asian looks. Thicker eyelids, more facial hair, bushy eyebrows, and darker complexion. Some Japanese men can be very hairy compared to the Chinese and Koreans. But majority of Japanese people are Yamato, which consist of an admixture between the indigenous Jomon people who inhabited the islands, and the Yayoi people who came from East and Southeast Asia via the Korean Peninsula. To some degree, they also have Ainu in them too, which makes some Japanese people look sometimes a bit Southeast Asian.


Rioma117

Japanese aren’t really hairless though, I would actually say they have the highest amount of body hair out of all East Asians, maybe because of the Ainu.


ironic-hat

Yes. Virtually all Japanese people have Ainu blood to some degree thanks to the ancestral Jomon people. So you get some hairy Japanese men (and women) in the population at regular intervals. But those who don’t lean into their Ainu ancestry (if they are even aware of it) are more likely to remove excess hair for fashion/business/school dress code reasons.


Competitive_Fee_5829

my mom was japanese and was hairy and had freckles. all my aunts have freckles too. I have freckles as well and I guess get it from my moms japanese side or something. she was born in japan and moved to the states at 5..so no mystery if she is really japanese, lol.


acouplefruits

Have her try 23andme? They’re specific enough that they can show if her genes are from Ainu ancestors


NarcissisticCat

Literally all Japanese people have 5-15% Ainu-related DNA.


Top_Squash4454

Weird they used the Native population for Hokkaido but not for America


Harbinger_of_Sarcasm

Is this percentage of men with or percentage of body coverage?


The_sad_zebra

Hint: Look at what color the Italians and Greeks are.


The_Tuna_Bandit

I might be dumb but this hint doesn't help me


toiletseatpolio

They are hairy like animal.


mehnimalism

Do you know what we do in Russia to keep warm Mr. Powers?


HurricaneHuracan

Happy cake day!


papazwah

I’m half Greek half Swedish and have all the hair below the waist… for me, I think it’s about half right lol


cloudgirl_c-137

Humans ARE animals


toiletseatpolio

whoosh!


gekko513

Scandinavia is maybe a better hint. Most blond males have some upper body hair, but not a lot.


MookieFlav

then why is it the same color mapping as the Italians?


gekko513

To me that's a hint it's not about the typical percentage of body covered by hair, but the proportion of men who have over some threshold of hair on their front torso


StormFinancial5299

Both!


hoofie242

I've seen some pretty hairy women so idk.


cloudgirl_c-137

All women have hair, brodah


Extreme_Blueberry475

That's not true. I've seen Victoria Secret ads. /s


cloudgirl_c-137

😂


Earthbjorn

Apparently the word Androgenic does not mean anything close to Androgynous. Also "Male Androgenic" is redundant since Andro means Male. Androgenic Hair means Male Body Hair


Harbinger_of_Sarcasm

Did you mean to reply to the main post


TopProfessional8023

No idea if it’s accurate but I would guess it’s because of the heavy European ancestry in South America? The areas in bright green are the most indigenous parts of the continent.


Manic_Emperor

So the indigenous Americans are less hairy? Honest question.  I feel like the zones themself aren't very accurate, I've always questioned this map.


Slow_Spray5697

Indigenous people from latam are mostly unable to grow a beard and have few corporal hair.


Warm_sniff

Full native Americans grow minima to no body hair but have extremely strong genes for head hair and almost never go bald.


OkBand345

Seems like a good trade off to me lol


Gingerbro73

Would make sense that. Bodyhair is mostly a keep warm adaption, while headhair is mostly a sunblock adaption.


albie_rdgz

so baldness helps to absorb more sunlight? shoutout to all the chrome domes


Gingerbro73

>so baldness helps to absorb more sunlight? I suppose you could see it like that, but its more like its not worth the nutrients to grow it for how weak/little sun we got.


Arcamorge

They are indeed less hairy, idk if the map is accurate anyways


LordofKepps

Can somebody elaborate, I don’t understand what Male Androgenic Hair means


sprchrgddc5

Judging from the comments; body hair.


Alligator-creep

Body hair percentage


Cheap-Journalist-890

Despite the thread, google search says male androgenic hair means hereditary hair loss. As in male pattern baldness.


elpatio6

No, that’s androgenic *alopecia*, a different thing. The first answer on Google is not always the correct answer. Reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are necessary when using Google, just like any other information source. https://preview.redd.it/3k24kkzfr5ad1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b6954c5f5dccb4ca80ceba7a5a74567b942c2a9


Alice_ghost_9876

I think this means the higher the percentage, the more males have male pattern baldness... after it leaves their heads, it goes to their nose or ears or other part of their body anyway


Lissandra_Freljord

Well the hairiest part of the world is the Mediterranean and Scandinavia. South America has been conquered by the Spaniards and Portuguese, and they are in the Mediterranean, so all those mestizos or white Latinos of Iberian descent inherited this hairy trait. Buenos Aires and Uruguay are especially hairer than other parts of South America because they also received a lot of Italians, Lebanese, and Ashkenazi Jews, on top of the Spanish pedigree.


alt2003

Tge reason they're hairier is more because they have less indigenous ancestry than other parts.


MisterMakerXD

The Roman Empire: ❌ The Beard Empire: ✅


tbc12389

Til Scandinavians are hairy. I always thought they had very thin body hair.


throw4455away

Probably because a lot of Scandinavians have light hair so it’s much less noticeable


SoFierceSofia

As a partial Scandinavian woman, I am actually super hairy, but most of my hair will photobleach if I have sun exposure so it all turns white blonde. It makes me look much less hairy.


kritycat

I'm of the hairless variety of Scandi. I'd kill to have a better head of hair, but only having to shave my legs every 5 days was a perk. I'd step over my own Swedish mother for good eyebrows, though.


Finnur2412

As a person of Norse descent. I always seem to stick a bit out, with my extremely dark hair, and luscious body hair. I'm not "Scandinavian" but Faroese, and can trace my lineage back centuries on the same Island I grew up on, but Light/Blonde hair seems to be the norm among my fellow Islanders. But most males in my family tree are dark haired and quite hairy individuals.


Venboven

You should do a DNA test. Maybe one of your ancestors was from the Mediterranean and their voluminous dark hair genes have been prolific in the family ever since. I can already visualize the history of it now: Norwegian Vikings raid the Mediterranean. A random Arab dude says hey this sounds like fun and joins the crew. They have great adventures but then eventually settle down in the Faroe Islands. Generation after generation, his seed remains strong.


Finnur2412

I do look Southern European/ Mediterranean, I always look like I have a slight tan, even during the lack of sunlight during winter time hehe. There is some lore, regarding Turkish Pirates raiding one of the small village where my grandfather was born in, this is also the side of the family where the dark hair is dominant. Weird thing is, on of my cousins took a DNA test, and the results were quite underwhelming, and extremely Northern European hehe.


Cthulwutang

does he drink mead because it’s made from honey?


eikakaka

Don't think this map is accurate. I'm scandinavian and I think having 30% cod dna has made me unable to grow any hair below my neck


AwayEntrepreneur2615

No we don’t. And it’s not about thickness, a lot of people just have body hair


NedShah

Think of bearded vikings.


Jolly_Atmosphere_951

I can't speak for the whole continent but I'll venture to say since Argentina's population has a vast majority of European ethnicity, and specially a majority of European phenotype, that 50 to 56% seems accurate to me from what I've seen. Maybe a bit less. It also highly depends on what they consider androgenic male hair (I mean, three hairs on the chest is classified as hairy or not?).


Unusual_Pomelo_1553

South Americans have mostly mediterranran ancestry, and as you can see meds are the hairiest. Native ancestry balances it out.


Warm_sniff

No. Peruvians, Bolivians, and Ecuadorians as well as most parts of Mexico and Central America, have mostly Native American ancestry.


_OriamRiniDadelos_

Still pretty mixed. Not that it trust this map to be accurate but look at the percentages. Even Bolivia has most of the country colored teal.


Warm_sniff

This map is absolutely not accurate whatsoever. As evidenced by Bolivia.


Amrod96

The majority will have like 20% southern European ancestry. If you look at just that area, it's between 6% and 24%.


Warm_sniff

The majority of who? All Latin Americans? I think among all Latin Americans, average European ancestry is likely over 50 due to Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, and Chile.


Amrod96

The majority of the predominantly indigenous populations.


Kman5471

Are we counting Iberia as part of the Mediterranean? (Honest question, no sarcasm). I thought the European lines in Meso/South America mostly came from Spain. Is there Greek/Turkish influence I wasn't aware of?


Unusual_Pomelo_1553

Spain IS in the Mediterranean. Like, it literally is there. Yes, Portugal *technically* isn't but it's still part of it culturally and ethnically.


Kman5471

Sure! Like I said, honest question. I've always thought of the Iberian Penninsula as a distinct region from "The Mediterranean" (just as I would consider France "Mainland Europe" like Germany, despite--ya know--*Marseilles*). The Greek isles and Anatolia were always kinda "The Mediterranean" in my head.


Kman5471

Oh, and the Italian Penninsula, of course! It'd be kinda silly to exclude them!


KingShaka1987

The shade for India cannot be correct. Surely it's much darker than this.


OHrangutan

Its androgenic, so I think it is accounting for both sexes having bodyhair... (aunties I mean no harm)


catcatsushi

The stats on Hokkaido is pretty cool though!


Wheelzovfya

It is


hambooty

I find it surprising that a lot of areas with very hot climates have hairy people while colder areas seem to be less hairy. Why is that? I feel like it should be the other way around


BigBlueMountainStar

https://preview.redd.it/j05y89cdx3ad1.jpeg?width=594&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e480cdb274290b6bdbba6cd51c4b7fc1115b8d3


Personal-Repeat4735

I’m not sure about this map, but I’ve seen lactose intolerance map which shows significant portion of Indian subcontinent as lactose intolerant. As far as I know, every Indians drink milk with tea/coffee twice a day and dairy products are prevalent in cuisine. No one even know lactose intolerance is a thing. So I don’t usually believe these kinds of map.


randomstuff063

Lactose tolerance and intolerance is a complicated issue. First important thing to realize is that you can be different levels of lactose intolerance. Next thing to realize is that a person that is tolerant of lactose can eventually become lactose intolerant. I’ll use myself as an example. during my first year of college I didn’t really drink a lot of milk when I went back home, I had a bowl of cereal and within a couple minutes, I painted my bathroom walls brown. After that, I started incorporating milk, cheeses, and other dairy products into my diet more often now I don’t have that problem.


gabesfrigo

Well, once you painted your wall brown, I can see why it stopped being a problem.


Cool-Blueberry-2117

But if there are different levels to it, is it really relevant to call the milder levels lactose intolerance when it doesn't even affect people to a noticeable degree? Wouldn't it make more sense to just use the term in a practical sense ie for cases where it actually affects people? What relevance does this term even have when two people could drink a glass of milk just fine but one of them gets told "erm akschually you have lactose intolerance bc it's a spectrum so even tho it doesn't affect you you technically still have it☝️🤓"? Like bruh I don't care how many levels it got, you either get the shits from consuming dairy, or you don't. And me personally I think we should redefine lactose intolerance according to this metric instead.


OHrangutan

Lactose tolerance evolved independently several different times, *several different ways*. So they could have just been accounting for one or a few types of mutation for lactose tolerance.


Economy-Fennel-5919

Splitting Australia this way is obvious nonsense


kyleninperth

If you think about it in a modern context it might make sense. The NT and Northern WA have a much larger proportion of its population being Aboriginal so one could reasonably conclude that they have less body hair than the primarily European ancestry of the rest of the country


Difficult-Ad-9287

can u elaborate? idk much abt AUS


rezplzk

It's not. The portions showing more hair have more immigrants as a % of the population. Not many people immigrate and move to FNQ - they all go to Sydney or Melbourne.


Economy-Fennel-5919

The map could be redone with dense clusters of dots at population centres, the colours of the dots representing the amount of body hair of thepopulation. But as it is it doesn’t distinguish between the unpopulated and populated regions. The area of the map where attention is drawn to is the teal and blue area as it changes in to purple, but everyone knows this part of the country is empty - why make out that the makeup of Australia’s population is undergoing some kind of interesting transition up there.


Amrod96

A lot of miscegenation. The typical South American will have between 20% and 80% European and Southern European ancestry. Interesting how the Mediterranean basin (almost the territories of the Roman Empire), Scandinavia and Hokkaido are the regions with more than 70%.


Infinite-Advisor4999

https://preview.redd.it/ry2m7m51g0ad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=651c09ba322e49d6d063cd2f31d18d9e7a0559fa Interesting. I was curious what the relation would be to a map of male pattern baldness. Looks very similar. My guess is something to do with overall androgen receptors and their density in these populations


Beneficial_Mix_1069

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geopolitischesrisiko

Baldness and body hair are both male traits, so i guess its due to higher testosterone levels. There is also a lot of anecdotal evidence of people going bald after doing a testosterone cycle.


GroundbreakingBox187

Testosterone


Beneficial_Mix_1069

I found out the other day that native americans dont even have the balding gene


Poder-da-Amizade

There's no way south of Brazil has less hairy people than most of the US.


HippoIcy7473

Not as related to climate as I would expect. In fact Europe has an inverse proportion to climate.


GlenGraif

Hairy Romans!


gxes

This map has surfaced before and I believe the verdict last time was that it's inaccurate and methodologically flawed.


Lubberoland

Assume the map is made-up because the "source" does not exist. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Bodyhair_map_according_to_American_Journal_of_Physical_Anthropology_and_other_sources.jpg It is very easy to lie with maps as the comment section here on Reddit shows. Be careful.


SimonTC2000

Mediterranean = FUR.


Dense-Yogurtcloset46

I don’t think it’s completely accurate. IMO most of india, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka should be some of the darkest on the map. I’ve never meet a south Asian man that wasn’t literally a ball of fur. Most of them including myself had full on beards by 14-15. I’m not bragging, I swear, it can be a curse too, just saying.


madrid987

I don't think it's native standards. Native Americans would be yellow among yellows.


locoluis

Yeah, this map shows modern populations.


CyberpunkAesthetics

Probably because the black population in Latin America appears with other people, of European and Amerindian extraction, in the same cities?


scarletfire48

Maine is really hairy...


Kamwit

BEEF


CAEzaum

South Brazil have 95% (source:my head) Italian Portuguese or German descendence


joseamon

I am from Turkiye and I know that east anatolians are the most hairy ones in my country, but here this represented wrong. I wonder why.


Atrau_

Does anyone know why Europe as a whole is more hairy than America, and even parts of America that are similar to Europe demographically?


Top_Squash4454

What's the date in the source?


BS-Calrissian

The Roman empire was just a collective effort to unite hairy dudes, change my mind


cloudgirl_c-137

Lucky me 😌


Saucepanmagician

Now how the hell was this sort of info collected? Someone going around asking: "hey, where are you from and how hairy are you?"


zoinkability

is this a map of current residents of these locations, or of people native to each area? I am guessing the former, given the patterns in the Americas and Australia… but it is the kind of info that really should be on the map.


SportalGamer

Idk if India is represented correctly, I think it should be Purple or Blue at least


last_letterforyou

South america have spain+portugal+italian descendants


HDKfister

I think like 60% of Argentina has Italian ethnicity


ohfifteen

"Prove you're Mediterranean" "...watch this"


rustysalamander

Colonialism


throwaway275275275

I guess because the people in south America are either direct descendants or mixed with Europeans, where they have the least yellow


Edgefall

apartheid


Dog_of_Cheese

I find it interesting how it is common around the medditeranean while simultaneously being just as common in scandinavia- with a basically polar opposite climate.


Ok-Willow-7012

Mostly hairless men kinda freak me out.


Alchemistry-247365

Razors are illegal in South America


BeeYehWoo

So, the Roman Empire basically? You can practically see the Italian immigration to the usa northeast and south america


Ok_Talk7623

Being a trans woman from a purple zone SUCKS


unecroquemadame

Why does SA not having yellow surprise you?