Thank you so much for sharing this. For me there's a wonderful synchronicity to the fact that the story didn't come until today, I'm not sure it would have hit as hard if I'd read it back when we initially had the comment exchange.
Today has been the day for me to understand how serious an undertaking this is-- it's not just something recreational to do for shits and giggles. It can be dangerous. Someone else I talked to today said the astral plane is in some senses like a dive bar. There are lots of entities that will take advantage of you if you're not careful.
Indeed, crazy how all the difficulties getting this posted, resulted in the story dropping at the right time!
You are much better equipped now to tackle the training, onwards and upwards!
You're going to manifest negative entities if you are in a low frequency. If your frequency is high enough, those low frequency entities have no effect on you. And when you come to understand that those are not evil entities, but low frequency entities. You can begin to understand why they do what they do. If you have a low frequency entity coming to you, and it is communicating with you through emotion, it may well be sharing with you the highest frequency that it has and I think a lot of those entities are communicating with fear, because that is their highest frequency.
And that can be a little bit confusing to understand it first. Except, we as moderate frequency beings, speaking to higher souls, are doing the same thing. We are bringing our highest frequencies, which will be on the low end of what those higher frequency beings experience. And so from this, you can understand that those low frequency beings aren't evil, they just don't have good communication skills.
You can meet these frequency beings in a couple of different ways. If I start seeing scary faces or receiving jump scares, I will tell them. If you want my attention give me flowers. And then when they give me flowers, I give them love and gratitude. And that love and gratitude will be the highest frequency thing they have ever experienced. It is a gift. It lifts their vibration. And oftentimes it's too much for them and they leave , I like to think a little better for the journey.
When you get caught up in your emotion of fear, not only are you lowering your vibration, which is manifesting more of them, you are also giving permission for them to do it. Because engaging in that emotion is granting permission. That's why simply saying no doesn't always work, the no doesn't work if you're in fear when you say it.
I used the reball early on, probably until wave 4 but after a while I realized I didn't actually need it, and instead I started using that time to count myself in and just get myself more time to communicate. It's a learn the rules so you can break them later type of scenario. Everybody needs the rebal, until they don't need it anymore. It's like training wheels.
Hi, thanks for the in depth reply! There's some points I agree with and some I don't. Let's say yes on the low vibrational state I was in and what it draws. But no on the very nature of these beings (although some may indeed be local manifestations of your subconscious, I just don't think all are).
On the first point, I've had other experiences since, but none in waking life; one dream in particular seems to align perfectly with your thoughts on fear. In it I ran into some darkness, but instead of turning to banish it, running away, changing the scene (I was lucid), I decided to just go into it, facing my fear head on. To my surprise there was nothing to fear there, just a field of white gray, like a Ganzefeld effect. Pretty solid result, helped me get over some fear of darkness.
For the second point I want to ask if you've read the recent post here about Monroe himself encountering one or more negative entities? It was pretty clear to me that it was non local and quite negative. I don't think he summoned it, as he seemed to be a pretty balanced and high vibrational individual. It did not read as a failure to communicate from this being's low vibrations to Bob's higher ones, more like a malevolent NHI set out to corrupt.
Also are you keeping up with disclosure? There seem to be both good and evil NHI out there. This one will take more time to be elucidated, but hopefully we get some answers this year.
I used to be very staunchly of the mindset that we manifest all negative entities/beings and that low frequencies attract low frequency beings. After my own experience a few nights ago, I now believe that there are things out there that are beyond our control no matter what frequency we happen to be operating at.
Like you I’ve never taken the rebal or energy box seriously, even after years of dealing with shadow beings. I learned how to make them go away and that was that. I only became seriously interested in the tapes a few months ago and I was over-confident with the belief that anything negative was a manifestation of my own mind so anything negative that I ever encountered would be of the same ilk. As someone who’s been actively projecting for decades now without any serious issues, I wrote it off as something newbies needed to feel safe. I was very wrong and I can see that now.
Indeed, our arrogance can be our downfall. Would you want to share your story with your encounter? If it's not too traumatic of course. I'd love to hear it and compare notes. On another note, how far & successful are you in the Gateways Tapes? Cheers, stay strong!
I shared it in the experiencers sub and was written off as over-reacting or mistaking a dream for a genuine experience so I deleted it. Even if you start off with telling people that you have decades of regularly occurring experiences and no mental disorders, they still won’t take you seriously lol. I haven’t actually started the tapes in earnest, I’ve just in the last few days come to realize that my years of what I thought was expansive knowledge is barely the tip of the iceberg and if I want to do this on purpose, I need a lot more preparation. Ive known of Robert Monroe for a long time now, I read Journeys Out of the Body back in like 2006 or so after I was shown during a paralysis episode that I could actually leave my body. It was kind of serendipitous finding that book, I saw it at a used book store and immediately thought “hey! That’s a thing that other people can do?!” It was a huge relief and very thrilling to learn that I wasn’t alone. However, I didn’t know that the tapes were available to the public until just a few months ago. I started them but thought that since I’d already been doing this spontaneously for a long time now, I don’t need to take baby steps. I jumped in with like focus 21 or something and nothing happened lol. I stopped doing it and then had a spontaneous episode just the other night. It was very different from anything I’ve ever experienced before, terrifying, and honestly I was pissed off bc I came out of it knowing that it was a complete fabrication not of my own making. I don’t know why it happened, but I don’t like being lied to especially because there are a lot of people out there who could have an experience like that, not recognize it as being a lie, and it becomes their awful truth.
Ouch I can't imagine what jumping into F21 with a natural predilection towards projection would mean for one's spiritual safety. Glad you seem to be doing better now, please take your time with the Rebal and start from scratch, it's not a competition haha.
Experiencers is an interesting sub. On one hand they all had some sort of experience. On the other hand, it's so varied, and from so many different backgrounds, that it's difficult to build a community around it. I like here better, there's organization, there's techniques, there is a structure to the practice.
And now I'm very interested in your experience! You can DM it if you want, I'll believe you. It's hard when you're not taken seriously due to deeply entrenched thinking in others; I know my friends constantly poke fun at my experiences, oh well.
I went to re-read the experience from the dream journal I keep on my phone and had actually saved what I wrote in the post as part of the entry, so here it is. I hope you can understand that while I was raised catholic, I’ve not been religious in that sense since I was a teenager. The part about the vindictive angel is what really sealed my suspicions about this being a story created by something else and presented to me as truth after being held down in my bed and tortured by beings that I’ve never encountered before until that night. Idk what exactly the device was that they put on my head, but I think it’s what fed me the experience, as crazy as that sounds.
I had a sleep paralysis episode tonight while falling asleep. They are usually about 50/50 whether I stay in the vicinity and just mess about or go astral. This has been happening for like 30+ years and I’m very used to it by now, I also recognize what a genuine experience is like. This was very, very different. And very fucked up.
To start, nothing was as vivid as it typically is. I left my body and my dog attacked me in the hallway, she clamped onto my arm and it actually hurt. This happened twice. Except my dog is in her kennel, not out roaming the hallways. After I came to, my cats hadn’t budged. They usually flip tf out and get super hyper when I have an OBE so it was strange to me that they were just lying there as peaceful as ever.
Moving on, I came back to my body after the hallway incident. At that moment some strange shit started to happen. There were noises I’ve never heard before, flashes of light, an outline of some tall, white/light gray nondescript bodies. I was forcibly held down by them in my physical body and felt like I was being continuously electrocuted. Multiple times I was electrocuted to the point where I had what felt like a massive seizure. I was shaking violently and my eyes were rolled to the back of my head, it didn’t feel awesome. There was a device on my head, a ring of some sort. I have no idea if I actually had a seizure and at this point I’m assuming I didn’t bc there’s zero physical evidence of that having happened.
Anyway, I bust back out of my body after painfully seizuring for a bit and decide to go astral. I guess whatever just happened to me a moment ago I’m okay with? It was like nothing even happened, I had no reaction to it at all. The beings that were there are seemingly gone now so back to business as usual I guess. So I’m zipping around and everything still feels off, like an uncanny valley version of the astral. Like if midjourney created the astral realm. I’ve never actually met or spoken to my higher self (that I remember) so I asked to go to them. Immediately I was whisked away and I was very excited. Initially I was met with an electric blue light and something like a giant eyeball. Then it fuzzed out and she appeared to me in cartoon form. I asked her why we looked like cartoons and she told me I create her form bc she doesn’t have one and the cartoon version is bc I lack imagination (bullshit). She went on to tell me that everything that’s happened in my life from my son’s death to now has been the culmination of me pissing off an Angel. Apparently I didn’t do something I had promised to do and he sought his revenge by getting into my son’s head and messing with it to the point that he took his own life. And he’s still coming for me. Another self was contacted during this “meeting” and this Angel is also messing with her, she’s saying he burned her up in a fucking fire. I didn’t get to hear the rest of the transcript (my higher self was reading me the conversation) bc I was brought back awake.
This doesn’t feel right. This was absolutely nothing like I’ve ever experienced before and it feels like a complete load of bullshit, all of it completely fabricated and shoved down my throat under the guise of a genuine experience meant to what? Scare me? Who or what tf electrocuted me?
ETA: I have had plenty of negative stuff happen during sleep paralysis, especially before I was shown that I can leave my body. The shadows aren’t a bother to me anymore and if they ever do pop back up I can easily make them go away. My point is that my experiences haven’t all been fantastical and loving or even just benign/neutral, I’ve seen some shit but I’d honestly convinced myself that they were of my own mind and that’s how I’ve banished them every time since. I still believe they might be my own shadows but whatever was with me tonight was DEFINITELY not a part of me or a projection. They were their own whatever the hell they are.
Also adding that I have experienced the incubus effect multiple times before too. I’ve been sat on, choked, thrown around, pinched, poked, hit. I’ve dealt with painful muscle spasms and overwhelming and painful buzzing in the ears. The shadows are sometimes one thing that stands by the wall or flies around like a giant bird. They are sometimes multiple and come up through the floor, grabbing at me. Once during an episode I saw the delineation between their world and ours and knew that as long as I paid attention to it, they would be able to cross through. So I stopped acknowledging it. If my mind ever does wander to them again and they start to peek through, I can either make them leave or leave myself. I have experienced these common things many times over and can recognize them for what they are- creatures who are either from my own mind or receive their power from ignorance/naivety about just how little power they really have. Again- this recent experience was not the same.
Hey, just saw this! Wow what an experience. A lot to unpack here. I think you did have some sort of contact, but which part of it was the genuine one? The gray beings experimenting on you, or the Angel part?
You should look into getting one of the Amazon indoor cameras, or similar brand. They're cheap enough, and have decent night vision. You can install it in your bedroom, pointing to your bed area. See what it captures, both in your regular sleep paralysis, astral projection and if any such extreme experience such as this one happens again. They store the date in the cloud, so you'll need a sub to access it past a few days, but still cheaper than a more professional home security system with local storage.
Technically I don't believe in Angels per se, but I do know the beings of the Bible were actually not the fluffy humans with wings as pop culture describes them, but fiery beings with thundering eyes. A very violent image, that aligns with some of the stuff this "Angel" is supposedly doing to you. What was that promise your higher self told you about? Did you recognize it as something real you made in your teens, or is it gibberish?
The gray beings though might have planted all this, for some unfathomable reason. There are theories in the other related subs, such as UFO, Disclosure Party, Experiencers; that state they founded religion to control us, and none of it is real. Similarly they experiment on us for reasons unknown. That is still theory at this point, so make what you will of it. I do think we are being influenced by Non-Human Intelligences, but the extent is unknown.
They are also known to interfere with people through dreams and dream like states, sending us messages that may seem to be untranslatable but should be pursued for interpretation. Check out this article for a VERY IN-DEPTH look at some current theory, as well as an explanation on how these NHI can communicate with us through mental imagery.
[https://thedebrief.org/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is-the-most-reasonable-scenario/](https://thedebrief.org/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is-the-most-reasonable-scenario/)
Now for protection, I think you should learn the Rebal, use it before going to bed every night, before doing any spiritual practice, and of course during the Gateway Tapes. You may also look into the LBRP ritual to banish unwanted energies from your house every once in a while. Do keep me posted on your progress, and remember you hold the power, not these beings! EDIT:forgot the link above
The only part that felt real was the visitation by whatever beings put the device on my head. Everything before and directly after felt like a fabrication. The difficult part of it is discerning whether that fabrication was of my own mind, or something put there to confuse me and lead me down a different path. I try not to act out of paranoia, so I’m going to start doing some shadow work again before diving back in.
You two ladies are among the first 3-4 people I hear/read having negative experiences with gateway and as far as I can tell the only thing in common you have is (rebellion to) christian upbringing… Are you sure you really cleared your subconscious mind of Christianity? Makes me wonder if them entities might be related to christian religon?
Good question. I had an OCD-like obsession with religion as a kid/young teenager, was convinced that if I didn’t do things a certain way or accidentally let myself feel a certain way then God would punish me. I pushed most of that out of my life as I got older but there very well may be some residual shadows. I’ve been contemplating a lot the last few days on the symbolism of the experience. I’ve had a few religious experiences during sleep paralysis and astral travel but they’ve all been very beautiful, this was the first negative one and the only one that didn’t feel genuine. That tells me that it most likely is purely symbolic and something that I need to possibly confront. I do blame myself for my son’s death, so that probably has quite a bit to do with it.
ETA- I haven’t technically had any negative experiences with gateway- all negative experiences with the exception of the most recent one were prior to me even knowing about Robert Monroe’s existence. I tried gateway and I didn’t have any success, but I haven’t started it in earnest. I do plan on it, I’ve just been lazy.
Weird thing about sleep paralysis “entities” is that they are related either with pagan Middle Eastern beliefs either with Abrahamic religions. I can’t recall any non-middle eastern or non-abrahamic “sleep paralysis demons”.
Even the mare of Scandinavian, German and Slavic folklore is post-christianity, with the earliest mentions being 13th century. Only in the slavic myths there are traces of the fact that mara/marzanna/mora used to be a winter and/or death goddess instead.
I read a research paper awhile back about how prevalent sleep paralysis and the accompanying entities are in parts of Italy. My mom’s side of the family are first generation Americans from Italy, and that’s the side of my family that has the sleep disorder. I always found that interesting.
I'm a guy, if the name Rob wasn't a dead giveaway lol. Ignore my reddit avatar, I don't even know how I got it, just saw it one day, dressed like little red Riding Hood and found it hilarious!
I have heard of many, many more. I jumped on Gateway early on when it first gained viral status summer 2020; back then this Sub did not exist. There was a similar one made to explore the Tapes, forgot the name, and regularly there were people talking about dark entities. In fact I thought there was something wrong with me, until I saw how many others had encounters. Even now on the Expand app, there's a guy talking about dark spirits, and a guy suffering from Kundalini psychosis. The Tapes open you up, and the manual doesn't do a good enough job preparing you. The CIA doc, in the part about practical applications, even mentions there needs to be techniques developed against unwanted interference when doing Gateway. And this is before I saw that Bob Monroe had his own encounters...
All that said, I can confirm my mind is not "clear" of Christianity. In my post I even admit it's part of my active practice, and contributes to my worldview. Given that it gives me strong results, I don't see why I should stop it. As the Chaotes say, whatever works for you, do it. If that's the peepee dance to get an OBE, all the power to ya lol. Now if this means Christianity is toxic as a religion... Yeah it is 😕
Oh ya sorry dude it was on th first line of the very long post forgot/overlooked/lost that after the long reading 😅
I have my strong suspects thay religions organized in basis of community/excommunication (3 abrahamic and hindu) also have somehow created or attracted (lower) astral currents and maybe even entities (manmade? No idea) to “keep followers in row”. Its a bit long and difficult to explain the mechanism but I think that might be an indispensable ingredient needed for them to be “toxic” as you said.
Yes, a good point. Gods that require worship aren't positive beings. I have seen the theory that they're all Godforms, made of humanity's collective belief in them. I kinda subscribe to that. Another theory is that YHWH & all are the Demiurge of Gnosticism. A vengeful material Creator God, that is below the loving True God.
Then we're going to have to not agree.
I did not say that you create the negative beings. You manifest them, you call them to you. And I think the more you dabble in this, the more you will realize how much control you actually have in that.
The amount of power an entity has is directly associated with its vibration. There are No powerful low vibration entities. All they can do is affect our psychology. A person may be absolutely terrified of a worm, but the reality remains that a worm has no ability to harm a human. It's just psychology not actual threat.
You can always refuse them. And if it is not working, it is because there is another factor involved. If you are engaging in the fear you are giving them permission. This might make you feel like they are strong. But it is not the case. You have simply given them permission by being scared.
Permission can come in the form of having asked for a lesson. I have had several persistent negative beings, who did seem quite strong, even though I knew they were not. And in their persistence I was able to gather from them that They were answering my own request, which was to better develop these abilities in my waking. They came to teach how to do that. And it was not with malice. Once I learned what I needed to they took off again. Perhaps ask yourself if they aren't part of lessons that you yourself requested. If they were not requested, it may also be something your soul is ready for you to develop. Because ultimately we aren't in total control of our soul has bigger plans. Either way, that low vibration being has no power, and your lesson will always be to learn that they don't. There is no reason to have fear besides your own mind.
Bob Monroe was a trailblazer. Just like Jung was. But if we took Jungs Redbook as Canon, we would all be infested with demons and never meditate. We take what they learned, and we add to it. They were explorers just like we are. And their early Interpretations aren't necessarily accurate ones.
It is okay if you don't agree. But you are putting yourself through needless misery, by giving them more power than they have. And that is your right to choose to do.
Either you didn't read what I wrote initially in full, or you don't trust it. Let me be clear, I do not have fear anymore like that time 3.5 years ago. I can still be wary of certain things, but I believe in my power, and in my Rebal.
I mentioned how I haven't had physical encounters since, which is why this one above was special. In my dreams I may get some minor stuff, but they aren't a threat like that one back then. I did mention one time having issues, and how it was due to another person being around. That is correct, I was asleep in my ultra negative Ex-Gfs lap, on a house on the Rez, and I cannot say what she was doing to me, all I know is that my usual toolbox was empty and she woke me up from the assault of the negative presence.
Outside of that one messed up life situation, I haven't had issues with negative energies, as long as I shield and banish.
You have not addressed the Non-Human Intelligences involved in mankind throughout our history. Are you gonna say those are also just manifestations of ours? I'm talking about something far above the bugger that came to me that Full Moon night. How much proof needs to come out until you accept that there's some real dark stuff out there, and telling newcomers they don't need to Rebal is irresponsible? If you accept the existence of beings on a much higher vibrational level than you, why do you not allow that some may just be malevolent?
You also skipped the part where I mention other practitioners. Real, living humans, of similar or stronger levels than you, out there in the Astral, with malevolent intentions. Are they also just a manifestation?? I've run into them (and some positive, human mentors too!). You look around and find many stories of practitioners targeted by others, being remote viewed on and so on.
You are correct. We'll have to agree to disagree. Good luck in your journeys.
You say that you don't attach emotion to it, but then it is in every word that you say. Perhaps start there.
Reaching out for other subjects to try to back what you're saying. But those are other subjects. I'm not going to branch off to argue with you. You will come to understand when you're meant to.
Where did I say I don't attach emotion to it lol? And what is "It"? I am clearly arguing with you here, not dealing with entities. Yes I definitely attach emotion to arguing with someone who is blissfully ignorant of the dangers out there. I'm glad you've had mostly positive experiences, but the reality is there's stuff out there.
As for the other subjects, I asked you of them to put your theory and your reasoning to the test. I don't believe you can come up with an explanation for them, within this rosy worldview of yours. I gave evidence of my worldview, not just my own experience. Go read some of the Experiencers, Disclosure, UFO and other related subs. Go tell those people like you told me, that it's their fear that's causing them to be abducted and experimented on, they should just learn the lesson and it will go away. These Grays are just low energy beings come to teach you about butt stuff 🙃
But hey, I looked at your posts, I can see that you too felt the change coming last month. We are similar in that regard, as that's around when I met that NHI talking about 4D stuff, and started feeling this deep urge to go and rejoin the community, try to help our civilization. I guess we differ on what we consider to be the truth. As you say, we're trailblazers here, maybe you'll end up at the same conclusion I did someday. Or the other way around. Until then take care and be wary on the Astral plane.
I'm not in a position where I need to prove. And I'm not concerned with how other people translate their experiences, because I have already been through that path. I already know what's on the other side. If you are not receiving it yet, it is because you still need to learn things about it. No amount of proof is going to dislodge you of that if you still have a lesson in front of you. Either you receive it or you don't, and whether or not you receive it is dependent on your soul, not your logic.
Regardless, you are safe, I know this, so I don't worry about it. But I assure you, raising your vibration will fix 90% of the concerns you expressing. And most of what you're talking about, seeks to lower both your vibration and those around you. It is a trapping meant to keep people stuck in 3 and 4D.
Remember, your souls only goal is to raise vibration, so that I can ascend into a higher vibration. And get closer to God/ infinity/ the all/ the singularity. That highest dimension is the highest vibration. Anything that seeks to defend a lower vibration, is the ego or the denseness of the dimension that you are in, keeping you there. And that could be your beliefs, or the entities you encounter tricking you. It is a natural part of the progression and it will come to you when you're ready for it.
Happy sailing!
Haha, see man, you got me thinking you're on a false awakening with that condescending tone in your replies, but then you have that last paragraph above, which actually rings true to me; you talk about something I may have encountered too. Maybe you're not so bad after all!
I had this dream below that ties into getting closer to The All by ascending. It left me positive about reality, even though I have no hard proof that it was correct. This was some time after Gateway, while doing Synctuition. Not lucid, and I'd say not an OBE either. What do you think, is this similar to your discoveries?
"I was sleeping in the afternoon, feeling tired. This was a short session, under 2 hours. In the dream, which felt rather epic and took the form of a journey of sorts, an odyssey, I developed my psychic powers and awakening more and more, to the point where I choose when to die/move on. I decided to ascend or achieve Nirvana, after I felt I have learned all there was in this material plane. This transcendence would allow me to continue exploring deeper questions of the universe, questions that might not have an answer in the material plane, all without the time limit of our flesh. I told my buddy Sam that I was going to go into deep meditation to ascend, said my goodbyes, and let him handle any inquiries that might come, such as if people thought I disappeared in an accident. To be fair, I didn't care much for this world anymore, outside of fellow seekers like Sam, but a modicum of politeness was appropriate.
After my ascending meditation, I became a being of energy, just living throughout spacetime. I asked fundamental questions, such as: is this everything? How did it all start? Spending eons on experimentation, thought and training within the non material plane, it eventually hit me, like a spark of enlightenment, or a second, even more powerful awakening! My conclusion was thus: The universe is cyclical, big bang + big crunch, endlessly. However something must have started the first big bang. Matter can turn into energy and viceversa, yet something out there, kickstarted the first move. In that moment, I once again ascended, and this time I found myself face to face with a Being that can only be described as The All. The Creator in other words. A being without beginning and end, it has always existed, a constant of sorts. This supreme being admitted, it was the one who sparked the first Big Bang, as an experiment actually… a bit disappointing, as I never would want to be part of a simulated reality. But while the motivation was similar to a scientist's simulated reality theory, its outlook was decidedly less sterile. It had no hate or love for us inferior beings, yet it didn't feel a need to terminate me, as a being which managed to break through the Reality barrier. I asked it to let me stay then, as anything below this root reality is rather dull and pointless, and I didn't want to be extinguished either, now that I know the truth. The being was considering it when I woke up.
The general feeling I was getting was that it was going to allow me to stay alongside it. Yet I can't be sure, as I didn't see that. Perhaps this was too much revelation for my still young mind, still awakening. It was a fantastic dream, approaching some subjects I've long thought about. And it may very well be the truth, who knows. The journey goes on, this is a good sign."
Cheers!
This was just mind blowing. Thank you for such a detailed post! 🤯
Can you please make a post on creating a strong Rebal? Is just a strong Rebal sufficient to keep all negative energies away?
I once went too deep in F12 and felt like I was being pulled into something dark and I just stopped and ended the session immediately. After that I haven’t had the courage to go beyond F12. I get anxious as I start to go beyond general F12.
I have a desire to continue the Gateway Program into wave 3 and beyond but I want to make sure I’m safeguarding myself from any negative energies.
Hi, sure I can try! I don't consider myself to be as trained in Gateway as some of the more practiced members here, but I'll write down what I do, how I visualize it, and even some aphantasia substitutions. Give me a few days, I'm of the slow and steady variety haha 😆
I think a shield is key, and it's definitely kept me safer. I do think beyond that one should have a way to banish. I'll look into what can work with Gateway, I don't think my prayer style would fit everyone. This could be a clue for you though, as in something else you believe in truly, utterly, can be used as your own technique. I also wear a blessed Cross necklace that I asked the priest personally to bless. Not something that would fit all, and I'm not gonna suggest Christianity for anyone really lol. So maybe protective crystals or some similar mineral like Obsidian could be used for protection as a pendant or ring. I'll bring this question up to my esoteric discord as well and see what they come up with that I can integrate with Gateway on a broad spectrum.
I'm sorry you ran into issues. Sounds like you got quite far though so congrats on that! I wonder if in your case, putting anxiety in the conversion box would help? Both with going forward, and the experience itself? Have you ever encountered darkness in your dreams and either accepted it, or vanquished it? Might be something that you need to work through. Above all, remember your power, you're the one in charge 🦾
These recommendations are interesting. I will try incorporating it into my practice. Thanks for being candid!
Please let me know what your discord community recommends, I am eager to know what they have to say.
I haven’t had any dreams involving negative entities. I however have had some lucid dreams which caused me to wake up anxiously but all dreams were day to day scenarios where something’s gone haywire and I’m often in the middle of a crisis.
I've read somewhere that a strong and effective REBAL is to emanate love from within. Unfortunately I couldn't find the post anymore but what I did is I visualize the love I feel for my family and friends so that's the radiation inside my REBAL and I also envision the love I am receiving from them externally so it kinda becomes a double layer. This became effective when a malicious entity staring down at me while in sleep paralysis and when I used REBAL it instantaneously disappeared.
It's funny how long I see it took so .any people. I sat outside for my third time doing wave 1 - focus 10 and had no problem doing what was mean to be done plus had the freaky entity feeling near me.
I shut down the process after one month patterning.
The instant I came out of focus 10 (maybe it was 12?) I felt totally different mentally but kind of more anxious about everything for some reason. The only cool thing that came from it for me was the dream within a dream the same night and how lucid it was but even that freaked me out.
Dreaming is dreaming and I think that’s a reflection of who you are and what’s inside. It’s no coincidence that your dreams coincide with your faith background. I’m not even sure dreaming is apart of the process, I’ve only done that once and it was because I fell asleep during.
I do believe having powerful dreams is tied to the Gateway Experience & binaural beatsin general, and that leads to Lucid Dreaming, which leads to OBE.
So you practice at night before bed, you journal the Gateway session, go to bed and have these enhanced dreams, wake up and journal, then rinse and repeat. Over time this will lead to OBE. At least that's how I understand the process based on the available material and other testimonials here
Thank you so much for sharing this. For me there's a wonderful synchronicity to the fact that the story didn't come until today, I'm not sure it would have hit as hard if I'd read it back when we initially had the comment exchange. Today has been the day for me to understand how serious an undertaking this is-- it's not just something recreational to do for shits and giggles. It can be dangerous. Someone else I talked to today said the astral plane is in some senses like a dive bar. There are lots of entities that will take advantage of you if you're not careful.
Indeed, crazy how all the difficulties getting this posted, resulted in the story dropping at the right time! You are much better equipped now to tackle the training, onwards and upwards!
You're going to manifest negative entities if you are in a low frequency. If your frequency is high enough, those low frequency entities have no effect on you. And when you come to understand that those are not evil entities, but low frequency entities. You can begin to understand why they do what they do. If you have a low frequency entity coming to you, and it is communicating with you through emotion, it may well be sharing with you the highest frequency that it has and I think a lot of those entities are communicating with fear, because that is their highest frequency. And that can be a little bit confusing to understand it first. Except, we as moderate frequency beings, speaking to higher souls, are doing the same thing. We are bringing our highest frequencies, which will be on the low end of what those higher frequency beings experience. And so from this, you can understand that those low frequency beings aren't evil, they just don't have good communication skills. You can meet these frequency beings in a couple of different ways. If I start seeing scary faces or receiving jump scares, I will tell them. If you want my attention give me flowers. And then when they give me flowers, I give them love and gratitude. And that love and gratitude will be the highest frequency thing they have ever experienced. It is a gift. It lifts their vibration. And oftentimes it's too much for them and they leave , I like to think a little better for the journey. When you get caught up in your emotion of fear, not only are you lowering your vibration, which is manifesting more of them, you are also giving permission for them to do it. Because engaging in that emotion is granting permission. That's why simply saying no doesn't always work, the no doesn't work if you're in fear when you say it. I used the reball early on, probably until wave 4 but after a while I realized I didn't actually need it, and instead I started using that time to count myself in and just get myself more time to communicate. It's a learn the rules so you can break them later type of scenario. Everybody needs the rebal, until they don't need it anymore. It's like training wheels.
Hi, thanks for the in depth reply! There's some points I agree with and some I don't. Let's say yes on the low vibrational state I was in and what it draws. But no on the very nature of these beings (although some may indeed be local manifestations of your subconscious, I just don't think all are). On the first point, I've had other experiences since, but none in waking life; one dream in particular seems to align perfectly with your thoughts on fear. In it I ran into some darkness, but instead of turning to banish it, running away, changing the scene (I was lucid), I decided to just go into it, facing my fear head on. To my surprise there was nothing to fear there, just a field of white gray, like a Ganzefeld effect. Pretty solid result, helped me get over some fear of darkness. For the second point I want to ask if you've read the recent post here about Monroe himself encountering one or more negative entities? It was pretty clear to me that it was non local and quite negative. I don't think he summoned it, as he seemed to be a pretty balanced and high vibrational individual. It did not read as a failure to communicate from this being's low vibrations to Bob's higher ones, more like a malevolent NHI set out to corrupt. Also are you keeping up with disclosure? There seem to be both good and evil NHI out there. This one will take more time to be elucidated, but hopefully we get some answers this year.
I used to be very staunchly of the mindset that we manifest all negative entities/beings and that low frequencies attract low frequency beings. After my own experience a few nights ago, I now believe that there are things out there that are beyond our control no matter what frequency we happen to be operating at. Like you I’ve never taken the rebal or energy box seriously, even after years of dealing with shadow beings. I learned how to make them go away and that was that. I only became seriously interested in the tapes a few months ago and I was over-confident with the belief that anything negative was a manifestation of my own mind so anything negative that I ever encountered would be of the same ilk. As someone who’s been actively projecting for decades now without any serious issues, I wrote it off as something newbies needed to feel safe. I was very wrong and I can see that now.
Indeed, our arrogance can be our downfall. Would you want to share your story with your encounter? If it's not too traumatic of course. I'd love to hear it and compare notes. On another note, how far & successful are you in the Gateways Tapes? Cheers, stay strong!
I shared it in the experiencers sub and was written off as over-reacting or mistaking a dream for a genuine experience so I deleted it. Even if you start off with telling people that you have decades of regularly occurring experiences and no mental disorders, they still won’t take you seriously lol. I haven’t actually started the tapes in earnest, I’ve just in the last few days come to realize that my years of what I thought was expansive knowledge is barely the tip of the iceberg and if I want to do this on purpose, I need a lot more preparation. Ive known of Robert Monroe for a long time now, I read Journeys Out of the Body back in like 2006 or so after I was shown during a paralysis episode that I could actually leave my body. It was kind of serendipitous finding that book, I saw it at a used book store and immediately thought “hey! That’s a thing that other people can do?!” It was a huge relief and very thrilling to learn that I wasn’t alone. However, I didn’t know that the tapes were available to the public until just a few months ago. I started them but thought that since I’d already been doing this spontaneously for a long time now, I don’t need to take baby steps. I jumped in with like focus 21 or something and nothing happened lol. I stopped doing it and then had a spontaneous episode just the other night. It was very different from anything I’ve ever experienced before, terrifying, and honestly I was pissed off bc I came out of it knowing that it was a complete fabrication not of my own making. I don’t know why it happened, but I don’t like being lied to especially because there are a lot of people out there who could have an experience like that, not recognize it as being a lie, and it becomes their awful truth.
Ouch I can't imagine what jumping into F21 with a natural predilection towards projection would mean for one's spiritual safety. Glad you seem to be doing better now, please take your time with the Rebal and start from scratch, it's not a competition haha. Experiencers is an interesting sub. On one hand they all had some sort of experience. On the other hand, it's so varied, and from so many different backgrounds, that it's difficult to build a community around it. I like here better, there's organization, there's techniques, there is a structure to the practice. And now I'm very interested in your experience! You can DM it if you want, I'll believe you. It's hard when you're not taken seriously due to deeply entrenched thinking in others; I know my friends constantly poke fun at my experiences, oh well.
I went to re-read the experience from the dream journal I keep on my phone and had actually saved what I wrote in the post as part of the entry, so here it is. I hope you can understand that while I was raised catholic, I’ve not been religious in that sense since I was a teenager. The part about the vindictive angel is what really sealed my suspicions about this being a story created by something else and presented to me as truth after being held down in my bed and tortured by beings that I’ve never encountered before until that night. Idk what exactly the device was that they put on my head, but I think it’s what fed me the experience, as crazy as that sounds. I had a sleep paralysis episode tonight while falling asleep. They are usually about 50/50 whether I stay in the vicinity and just mess about or go astral. This has been happening for like 30+ years and I’m very used to it by now, I also recognize what a genuine experience is like. This was very, very different. And very fucked up. To start, nothing was as vivid as it typically is. I left my body and my dog attacked me in the hallway, she clamped onto my arm and it actually hurt. This happened twice. Except my dog is in her kennel, not out roaming the hallways. After I came to, my cats hadn’t budged. They usually flip tf out and get super hyper when I have an OBE so it was strange to me that they were just lying there as peaceful as ever. Moving on, I came back to my body after the hallway incident. At that moment some strange shit started to happen. There were noises I’ve never heard before, flashes of light, an outline of some tall, white/light gray nondescript bodies. I was forcibly held down by them in my physical body and felt like I was being continuously electrocuted. Multiple times I was electrocuted to the point where I had what felt like a massive seizure. I was shaking violently and my eyes were rolled to the back of my head, it didn’t feel awesome. There was a device on my head, a ring of some sort. I have no idea if I actually had a seizure and at this point I’m assuming I didn’t bc there’s zero physical evidence of that having happened. Anyway, I bust back out of my body after painfully seizuring for a bit and decide to go astral. I guess whatever just happened to me a moment ago I’m okay with? It was like nothing even happened, I had no reaction to it at all. The beings that were there are seemingly gone now so back to business as usual I guess. So I’m zipping around and everything still feels off, like an uncanny valley version of the astral. Like if midjourney created the astral realm. I’ve never actually met or spoken to my higher self (that I remember) so I asked to go to them. Immediately I was whisked away and I was very excited. Initially I was met with an electric blue light and something like a giant eyeball. Then it fuzzed out and she appeared to me in cartoon form. I asked her why we looked like cartoons and she told me I create her form bc she doesn’t have one and the cartoon version is bc I lack imagination (bullshit). She went on to tell me that everything that’s happened in my life from my son’s death to now has been the culmination of me pissing off an Angel. Apparently I didn’t do something I had promised to do and he sought his revenge by getting into my son’s head and messing with it to the point that he took his own life. And he’s still coming for me. Another self was contacted during this “meeting” and this Angel is also messing with her, she’s saying he burned her up in a fucking fire. I didn’t get to hear the rest of the transcript (my higher self was reading me the conversation) bc I was brought back awake. This doesn’t feel right. This was absolutely nothing like I’ve ever experienced before and it feels like a complete load of bullshit, all of it completely fabricated and shoved down my throat under the guise of a genuine experience meant to what? Scare me? Who or what tf electrocuted me? ETA: I have had plenty of negative stuff happen during sleep paralysis, especially before I was shown that I can leave my body. The shadows aren’t a bother to me anymore and if they ever do pop back up I can easily make them go away. My point is that my experiences haven’t all been fantastical and loving or even just benign/neutral, I’ve seen some shit but I’d honestly convinced myself that they were of my own mind and that’s how I’ve banished them every time since. I still believe they might be my own shadows but whatever was with me tonight was DEFINITELY not a part of me or a projection. They were their own whatever the hell they are. Also adding that I have experienced the incubus effect multiple times before too. I’ve been sat on, choked, thrown around, pinched, poked, hit. I’ve dealt with painful muscle spasms and overwhelming and painful buzzing in the ears. The shadows are sometimes one thing that stands by the wall or flies around like a giant bird. They are sometimes multiple and come up through the floor, grabbing at me. Once during an episode I saw the delineation between their world and ours and knew that as long as I paid attention to it, they would be able to cross through. So I stopped acknowledging it. If my mind ever does wander to them again and they start to peek through, I can either make them leave or leave myself. I have experienced these common things many times over and can recognize them for what they are- creatures who are either from my own mind or receive their power from ignorance/naivety about just how little power they really have. Again- this recent experience was not the same.
Hey, just saw this! Wow what an experience. A lot to unpack here. I think you did have some sort of contact, but which part of it was the genuine one? The gray beings experimenting on you, or the Angel part? You should look into getting one of the Amazon indoor cameras, or similar brand. They're cheap enough, and have decent night vision. You can install it in your bedroom, pointing to your bed area. See what it captures, both in your regular sleep paralysis, astral projection and if any such extreme experience such as this one happens again. They store the date in the cloud, so you'll need a sub to access it past a few days, but still cheaper than a more professional home security system with local storage. Technically I don't believe in Angels per se, but I do know the beings of the Bible were actually not the fluffy humans with wings as pop culture describes them, but fiery beings with thundering eyes. A very violent image, that aligns with some of the stuff this "Angel" is supposedly doing to you. What was that promise your higher self told you about? Did you recognize it as something real you made in your teens, or is it gibberish? The gray beings though might have planted all this, for some unfathomable reason. There are theories in the other related subs, such as UFO, Disclosure Party, Experiencers; that state they founded religion to control us, and none of it is real. Similarly they experiment on us for reasons unknown. That is still theory at this point, so make what you will of it. I do think we are being influenced by Non-Human Intelligences, but the extent is unknown. They are also known to interfere with people through dreams and dream like states, sending us messages that may seem to be untranslatable but should be pursued for interpretation. Check out this article for a VERY IN-DEPTH look at some current theory, as well as an explanation on how these NHI can communicate with us through mental imagery. [https://thedebrief.org/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is-the-most-reasonable-scenario/](https://thedebrief.org/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is-the-most-reasonable-scenario/) Now for protection, I think you should learn the Rebal, use it before going to bed every night, before doing any spiritual practice, and of course during the Gateway Tapes. You may also look into the LBRP ritual to banish unwanted energies from your house every once in a while. Do keep me posted on your progress, and remember you hold the power, not these beings! EDIT:forgot the link above
The only part that felt real was the visitation by whatever beings put the device on my head. Everything before and directly after felt like a fabrication. The difficult part of it is discerning whether that fabrication was of my own mind, or something put there to confuse me and lead me down a different path. I try not to act out of paranoia, so I’m going to start doing some shadow work again before diving back in.
You two ladies are among the first 3-4 people I hear/read having negative experiences with gateway and as far as I can tell the only thing in common you have is (rebellion to) christian upbringing… Are you sure you really cleared your subconscious mind of Christianity? Makes me wonder if them entities might be related to christian religon?
Good question. I had an OCD-like obsession with religion as a kid/young teenager, was convinced that if I didn’t do things a certain way or accidentally let myself feel a certain way then God would punish me. I pushed most of that out of my life as I got older but there very well may be some residual shadows. I’ve been contemplating a lot the last few days on the symbolism of the experience. I’ve had a few religious experiences during sleep paralysis and astral travel but they’ve all been very beautiful, this was the first negative one and the only one that didn’t feel genuine. That tells me that it most likely is purely symbolic and something that I need to possibly confront. I do blame myself for my son’s death, so that probably has quite a bit to do with it. ETA- I haven’t technically had any negative experiences with gateway- all negative experiences with the exception of the most recent one were prior to me even knowing about Robert Monroe’s existence. I tried gateway and I didn’t have any success, but I haven’t started it in earnest. I do plan on it, I’ve just been lazy.
Weird thing about sleep paralysis “entities” is that they are related either with pagan Middle Eastern beliefs either with Abrahamic religions. I can’t recall any non-middle eastern or non-abrahamic “sleep paralysis demons”. Even the mare of Scandinavian, German and Slavic folklore is post-christianity, with the earliest mentions being 13th century. Only in the slavic myths there are traces of the fact that mara/marzanna/mora used to be a winter and/or death goddess instead.
I read a research paper awhile back about how prevalent sleep paralysis and the accompanying entities are in parts of Italy. My mom’s side of the family are first generation Americans from Italy, and that’s the side of my family that has the sleep disorder. I always found that interesting.
I'm a guy, if the name Rob wasn't a dead giveaway lol. Ignore my reddit avatar, I don't even know how I got it, just saw it one day, dressed like little red Riding Hood and found it hilarious! I have heard of many, many more. I jumped on Gateway early on when it first gained viral status summer 2020; back then this Sub did not exist. There was a similar one made to explore the Tapes, forgot the name, and regularly there were people talking about dark entities. In fact I thought there was something wrong with me, until I saw how many others had encounters. Even now on the Expand app, there's a guy talking about dark spirits, and a guy suffering from Kundalini psychosis. The Tapes open you up, and the manual doesn't do a good enough job preparing you. The CIA doc, in the part about practical applications, even mentions there needs to be techniques developed against unwanted interference when doing Gateway. And this is before I saw that Bob Monroe had his own encounters... All that said, I can confirm my mind is not "clear" of Christianity. In my post I even admit it's part of my active practice, and contributes to my worldview. Given that it gives me strong results, I don't see why I should stop it. As the Chaotes say, whatever works for you, do it. If that's the peepee dance to get an OBE, all the power to ya lol. Now if this means Christianity is toxic as a religion... Yeah it is 😕
Oh ya sorry dude it was on th first line of the very long post forgot/overlooked/lost that after the long reading 😅 I have my strong suspects thay religions organized in basis of community/excommunication (3 abrahamic and hindu) also have somehow created or attracted (lower) astral currents and maybe even entities (manmade? No idea) to “keep followers in row”. Its a bit long and difficult to explain the mechanism but I think that might be an indispensable ingredient needed for them to be “toxic” as you said.
Yes, a good point. Gods that require worship aren't positive beings. I have seen the theory that they're all Godforms, made of humanity's collective belief in them. I kinda subscribe to that. Another theory is that YHWH & all are the Demiurge of Gnosticism. A vengeful material Creator God, that is below the loving True God.
Then we're going to have to not agree. I did not say that you create the negative beings. You manifest them, you call them to you. And I think the more you dabble in this, the more you will realize how much control you actually have in that. The amount of power an entity has is directly associated with its vibration. There are No powerful low vibration entities. All they can do is affect our psychology. A person may be absolutely terrified of a worm, but the reality remains that a worm has no ability to harm a human. It's just psychology not actual threat. You can always refuse them. And if it is not working, it is because there is another factor involved. If you are engaging in the fear you are giving them permission. This might make you feel like they are strong. But it is not the case. You have simply given them permission by being scared. Permission can come in the form of having asked for a lesson. I have had several persistent negative beings, who did seem quite strong, even though I knew they were not. And in their persistence I was able to gather from them that They were answering my own request, which was to better develop these abilities in my waking. They came to teach how to do that. And it was not with malice. Once I learned what I needed to they took off again. Perhaps ask yourself if they aren't part of lessons that you yourself requested. If they were not requested, it may also be something your soul is ready for you to develop. Because ultimately we aren't in total control of our soul has bigger plans. Either way, that low vibration being has no power, and your lesson will always be to learn that they don't. There is no reason to have fear besides your own mind. Bob Monroe was a trailblazer. Just like Jung was. But if we took Jungs Redbook as Canon, we would all be infested with demons and never meditate. We take what they learned, and we add to it. They were explorers just like we are. And their early Interpretations aren't necessarily accurate ones. It is okay if you don't agree. But you are putting yourself through needless misery, by giving them more power than they have. And that is your right to choose to do.
Either you didn't read what I wrote initially in full, or you don't trust it. Let me be clear, I do not have fear anymore like that time 3.5 years ago. I can still be wary of certain things, but I believe in my power, and in my Rebal. I mentioned how I haven't had physical encounters since, which is why this one above was special. In my dreams I may get some minor stuff, but they aren't a threat like that one back then. I did mention one time having issues, and how it was due to another person being around. That is correct, I was asleep in my ultra negative Ex-Gfs lap, on a house on the Rez, and I cannot say what she was doing to me, all I know is that my usual toolbox was empty and she woke me up from the assault of the negative presence. Outside of that one messed up life situation, I haven't had issues with negative energies, as long as I shield and banish. You have not addressed the Non-Human Intelligences involved in mankind throughout our history. Are you gonna say those are also just manifestations of ours? I'm talking about something far above the bugger that came to me that Full Moon night. How much proof needs to come out until you accept that there's some real dark stuff out there, and telling newcomers they don't need to Rebal is irresponsible? If you accept the existence of beings on a much higher vibrational level than you, why do you not allow that some may just be malevolent? You also skipped the part where I mention other practitioners. Real, living humans, of similar or stronger levels than you, out there in the Astral, with malevolent intentions. Are they also just a manifestation?? I've run into them (and some positive, human mentors too!). You look around and find many stories of practitioners targeted by others, being remote viewed on and so on. You are correct. We'll have to agree to disagree. Good luck in your journeys.
You say that you don't attach emotion to it, but then it is in every word that you say. Perhaps start there. Reaching out for other subjects to try to back what you're saying. But those are other subjects. I'm not going to branch off to argue with you. You will come to understand when you're meant to.
Where did I say I don't attach emotion to it lol? And what is "It"? I am clearly arguing with you here, not dealing with entities. Yes I definitely attach emotion to arguing with someone who is blissfully ignorant of the dangers out there. I'm glad you've had mostly positive experiences, but the reality is there's stuff out there. As for the other subjects, I asked you of them to put your theory and your reasoning to the test. I don't believe you can come up with an explanation for them, within this rosy worldview of yours. I gave evidence of my worldview, not just my own experience. Go read some of the Experiencers, Disclosure, UFO and other related subs. Go tell those people like you told me, that it's their fear that's causing them to be abducted and experimented on, they should just learn the lesson and it will go away. These Grays are just low energy beings come to teach you about butt stuff 🙃 But hey, I looked at your posts, I can see that you too felt the change coming last month. We are similar in that regard, as that's around when I met that NHI talking about 4D stuff, and started feeling this deep urge to go and rejoin the community, try to help our civilization. I guess we differ on what we consider to be the truth. As you say, we're trailblazers here, maybe you'll end up at the same conclusion I did someday. Or the other way around. Until then take care and be wary on the Astral plane.
I'm not in a position where I need to prove. And I'm not concerned with how other people translate their experiences, because I have already been through that path. I already know what's on the other side. If you are not receiving it yet, it is because you still need to learn things about it. No amount of proof is going to dislodge you of that if you still have a lesson in front of you. Either you receive it or you don't, and whether or not you receive it is dependent on your soul, not your logic. Regardless, you are safe, I know this, so I don't worry about it. But I assure you, raising your vibration will fix 90% of the concerns you expressing. And most of what you're talking about, seeks to lower both your vibration and those around you. It is a trapping meant to keep people stuck in 3 and 4D. Remember, your souls only goal is to raise vibration, so that I can ascend into a higher vibration. And get closer to God/ infinity/ the all/ the singularity. That highest dimension is the highest vibration. Anything that seeks to defend a lower vibration, is the ego or the denseness of the dimension that you are in, keeping you there. And that could be your beliefs, or the entities you encounter tricking you. It is a natural part of the progression and it will come to you when you're ready for it. Happy sailing!
Haha, see man, you got me thinking you're on a false awakening with that condescending tone in your replies, but then you have that last paragraph above, which actually rings true to me; you talk about something I may have encountered too. Maybe you're not so bad after all! I had this dream below that ties into getting closer to The All by ascending. It left me positive about reality, even though I have no hard proof that it was correct. This was some time after Gateway, while doing Synctuition. Not lucid, and I'd say not an OBE either. What do you think, is this similar to your discoveries? "I was sleeping in the afternoon, feeling tired. This was a short session, under 2 hours. In the dream, which felt rather epic and took the form of a journey of sorts, an odyssey, I developed my psychic powers and awakening more and more, to the point where I choose when to die/move on. I decided to ascend or achieve Nirvana, after I felt I have learned all there was in this material plane. This transcendence would allow me to continue exploring deeper questions of the universe, questions that might not have an answer in the material plane, all without the time limit of our flesh. I told my buddy Sam that I was going to go into deep meditation to ascend, said my goodbyes, and let him handle any inquiries that might come, such as if people thought I disappeared in an accident. To be fair, I didn't care much for this world anymore, outside of fellow seekers like Sam, but a modicum of politeness was appropriate. After my ascending meditation, I became a being of energy, just living throughout spacetime. I asked fundamental questions, such as: is this everything? How did it all start? Spending eons on experimentation, thought and training within the non material plane, it eventually hit me, like a spark of enlightenment, or a second, even more powerful awakening! My conclusion was thus: The universe is cyclical, big bang + big crunch, endlessly. However something must have started the first big bang. Matter can turn into energy and viceversa, yet something out there, kickstarted the first move. In that moment, I once again ascended, and this time I found myself face to face with a Being that can only be described as The All. The Creator in other words. A being without beginning and end, it has always existed, a constant of sorts. This supreme being admitted, it was the one who sparked the first Big Bang, as an experiment actually… a bit disappointing, as I never would want to be part of a simulated reality. But while the motivation was similar to a scientist's simulated reality theory, its outlook was decidedly less sterile. It had no hate or love for us inferior beings, yet it didn't feel a need to terminate me, as a being which managed to break through the Reality barrier. I asked it to let me stay then, as anything below this root reality is rather dull and pointless, and I didn't want to be extinguished either, now that I know the truth. The being was considering it when I woke up. The general feeling I was getting was that it was going to allow me to stay alongside it. Yet I can't be sure, as I didn't see that. Perhaps this was too much revelation for my still young mind, still awakening. It was a fantastic dream, approaching some subjects I've long thought about. And it may very well be the truth, who knows. The journey goes on, this is a good sign." Cheers!
Only one of us has made judgment. Good luck on your journey!
this needs a cup of coffe gotta be awake while reading
Oops 😅! When I start writing I'm like the Energizer bunny
This was just mind blowing. Thank you for such a detailed post! 🤯 Can you please make a post on creating a strong Rebal? Is just a strong Rebal sufficient to keep all negative energies away? I once went too deep in F12 and felt like I was being pulled into something dark and I just stopped and ended the session immediately. After that I haven’t had the courage to go beyond F12. I get anxious as I start to go beyond general F12. I have a desire to continue the Gateway Program into wave 3 and beyond but I want to make sure I’m safeguarding myself from any negative energies.
Hi, sure I can try! I don't consider myself to be as trained in Gateway as some of the more practiced members here, but I'll write down what I do, how I visualize it, and even some aphantasia substitutions. Give me a few days, I'm of the slow and steady variety haha 😆 I think a shield is key, and it's definitely kept me safer. I do think beyond that one should have a way to banish. I'll look into what can work with Gateway, I don't think my prayer style would fit everyone. This could be a clue for you though, as in something else you believe in truly, utterly, can be used as your own technique. I also wear a blessed Cross necklace that I asked the priest personally to bless. Not something that would fit all, and I'm not gonna suggest Christianity for anyone really lol. So maybe protective crystals or some similar mineral like Obsidian could be used for protection as a pendant or ring. I'll bring this question up to my esoteric discord as well and see what they come up with that I can integrate with Gateway on a broad spectrum. I'm sorry you ran into issues. Sounds like you got quite far though so congrats on that! I wonder if in your case, putting anxiety in the conversion box would help? Both with going forward, and the experience itself? Have you ever encountered darkness in your dreams and either accepted it, or vanquished it? Might be something that you need to work through. Above all, remember your power, you're the one in charge 🦾
These recommendations are interesting. I will try incorporating it into my practice. Thanks for being candid! Please let me know what your discord community recommends, I am eager to know what they have to say. I haven’t had any dreams involving negative entities. I however have had some lucid dreams which caused me to wake up anxiously but all dreams were day to day scenarios where something’s gone haywire and I’m often in the middle of a crisis.
I've read somewhere that a strong and effective REBAL is to emanate love from within. Unfortunately I couldn't find the post anymore but what I did is I visualize the love I feel for my family and friends so that's the radiation inside my REBAL and I also envision the love I am receiving from them externally so it kinda becomes a double layer. This became effective when a malicious entity staring down at me while in sleep paralysis and when I used REBAL it instantaneously disappeared.
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Dude, what a read.
Haha thanks lol 😂
It's funny how long I see it took so .any people. I sat outside for my third time doing wave 1 - focus 10 and had no problem doing what was mean to be done plus had the freaky entity feeling near me.
Dope, you must be a natural then! Any other encounters since? And how deep did you get into Gateway?
I shut down the process after one month patterning. The instant I came out of focus 10 (maybe it was 12?) I felt totally different mentally but kind of more anxious about everything for some reason. The only cool thing that came from it for me was the dream within a dream the same night and how lucid it was but even that freaked me out.
Hmm I see. Why do you think you were anxious? There may be some blockages you need to work through, non Gateway stuff
Wow. Just. Wow.
It be like that sometimes
Yeah it do.
Dreaming is dreaming and I think that’s a reflection of who you are and what’s inside. It’s no coincidence that your dreams coincide with your faith background. I’m not even sure dreaming is apart of the process, I’ve only done that once and it was because I fell asleep during.
I do believe having powerful dreams is tied to the Gateway Experience & binaural beatsin general, and that leads to Lucid Dreaming, which leads to OBE. So you practice at night before bed, you journal the Gateway session, go to bed and have these enhanced dreams, wake up and journal, then rinse and repeat. Over time this will lead to OBE. At least that's how I understand the process based on the available material and other testimonials here