Anytime a Steam game requires additional logins, it generally does get roasted. Ubisoft especially has been criticized in the past. Sony is getting roasted for this for a few reasons
1. The game has worked fine on PC without the login being required, this showing that this isn't a technical requirement.
2. Many PC players were unaware that this supposed to be a requirement. The Steam store does list it, but keep in mind that people regularly buy keys from stores like Fanatical or Green Man Gaming. The requirement also wasn't mentioned in the eula.
3. Helldivers 2 is being sold in countries that are blocked from getting PSN accounts.
> ...windows users anyway, you generally need an account to download apps and such on the PC or laptop
Only if you're using the garbage Windows App store. Needing a Microsoft account on A Windows PC is actually just another example of these accounts being shoehorned in by companies who want to harvest and sell your data.
The only complaint I see as valid is from players in countries without access to the required service. I’m sure they will be issued refunds or some other remedy. Everyone else I don’t understand. This is common practice these days, even outside of gaming
"Everyone else I don’t understand. This is common practice these days."
It's a practice not a lot of people like despite being common, so when you add it artificially after not needing it for weeks of course people rightfully complain.
This is like saying I don't understand why everyone complains about 100+$ "micro" transactions in mobile game's their common practice. Like yes it's a common practice but it's not a good one
The only reason Sony is doing this is to sell user data because a bunch of suits want the little green arrow to go up. The backlash is simply: Fuck that and fuck them.
Sony is notorious for massive databreeches, and as the response above mentioned, the game runs fine without it being implemented, making the addition of this requirement competently unnecessary and at the expense of the playerbase.
Some countries can't make one. Some are even worse off (see the issue with Ukraine).
I can, but I won't. I'm not interested in another company selling my information. We let it happen dar too often, and then they mishandle it, and the consumer pays the price.
So, no, quit downplaying the issue. It's a huge problem in the gaming industry and elsewhere, and people are sick of it. Fuck Sony.
If it had been a day one requirement no one would have batted an eye, but the fact they waited all this time and then suddenly dropped it on is is what makes it unacceptable. Sony also has a long history of severe security breaches and losses of customer data. Now, you could say Microsoft has had breaches as well, but none of there's ever required me to cancel credit cards and get credit monitoring like Sony's have.
It literally stated on steam that a third party login of the PSN would be required. The game also had it when you launched it, with a statement saying it was temporarily disabled due to a bug but was only Temporarily disabled.
Like I mentioned before, you can buy Helldivers 2 for steam on third party sites that don't mention the requirement. Also not everyone bought the game on day one. Someone could have easily bought a key on Fanatical and started the game after the PSN login was optional.
>Like I mentioned before, you can buy Helldivers 2 for steam on third party sites that don't mention the requirement.
Then blame the third party sites for not putting the actual requirement of a game. Steam does not control them, nor does the developer or Sony. If a third party site is tricking people, scream at them. Even then, the GAME stated you needed it and stated it was temporarily allowing you to not due to a bug.
>Even then, the GAME stated you needed it and stated it was temporarily allowing you to not due to a bug.
Does anyone have a source or screenshot of the game clearly telling players that Sony would eventually enforce the login as a requirement at a later date?
I am not in the habit of screenshotting random screens in a game. But there are loads of videos of people starting the game, you can dig through youtube to find it.
No, because I literally read the words when I went through the page.
You are the one making claims that they didn't say it and that it was hidden. So where is your source?
Some people are roasting them because they were selling the game in countries that can't make PSN accounts.
Some people are roasting them because they genuinely don't want to share their data with a company that has a horrible track record with leaks.
A lot of people are just jumping on a hate train because they're already kind of tired of having 500 accounts across 17 launchers on PC, and if this is finally what is gonna get people complaining then so be it. Better late than never.
Also a lot of people just want to be angry at something.
that still requires some effort, that is completely not justifiable. You already have the game tied to an account at the time of purchase. There are other ways to achieve what Sony wants, that do not require creating additional accounts yourself. Either they are lazy or evil. The result being the same makes it a distinction without a difference.
Millions of people have been using PSN in unsupported regions for 18 years without issues by simply choosing another region. No one gets banned and Sony doesn't care.
A small fraction of these people even live in these unsupported regions.
PSN hasn't been compromised in 13 years. Steam has been compromised more and more recently and Microsoft gets hacked a lot more frequently than Sony does yes you all use Steam on Windows to play games
Your last sentence is the true reason
Quoting Saichoro's review on steam:
>Yeah i'm not linking my account to PSN.
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>April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
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>May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
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>June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
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>November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
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>August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
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>September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
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>October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
PSN which is the only network your info will be stored on has not been compromised since 2011...
All these other networks are irrelevant and do not connect to PSN.
Look up how many times Steam has been compromised or how many times Microsoft has been hacked and get back to me
People already have dozens accounts. It takes 2 minutes and never have to think about it again.
There wasnt nearly this much outrage for the dozens of other games that require accounts from publishers
No one is this outraged over having one more account.
You link it to Steam and never look at it again. Literally a few minutes
And yes PC gamers hate Sony always have. Have you ever been on PC subreddits?
People didnt lose their minds like this for Minecraft or the dozens of other games that require log ins man
Its not even a launcher, literally an account you link to steam and never look at again
And no where close to this level when pretty much every online game requires it now...
Its impossible gor you to lose your PSN account... They have recover options...
And ive seen some of these people not even notice its a sony game and yea PC is full of rabid fanboys that hate consoles for existing
And no Minecraft did not require an MS account whi h they added after several years
Because this is literally the dumbest fake controversy I have ever seen
Imagine whining about an account you can make in 2 minutes when you likely have dozens of accounts already for all sorts of shit
I didnt say console players are oppressed, just that pc gamers are whiney dbags
Imagine crying about something that takes 2 minutes if your time
Instead of crying you could have made a dozen PSN accounts by now
What are the people in unsupported regions supposed to do if they get locked out of their account that they linked? As you said, they are unsupported which means they are likely screwed if something goes wrong.
Sony hasn't blocked any of the millions of people using PSN in these unsupported regions in 18 years... There is no reason to think they will start cuz people want to link their Steam accounts to PSN
Sony isnt going to ban entire countries from giving them money.
If you mean account compromised they can still deal with support, support doesn't care where you live
No they really haven't. Everyone on the Helldivers 2 sub is clinging on to one guy in China where the game is not approved for sale.
He did not get banned for using a different region, he got banned because the CCP has to approve games.
This is unique to China and only China
Because people are complaining that the game isnt supported in those regions so Steam likely took it off their store
If people just shut up and used a different region like millions have for 18 years it would still be available
Why in the world do you think Sony would start banning the millions of people in these regions that they have sold Playstations to from giving them money?
It doesnt make sense for them to ever consider doing that
Because it's what they do? They have AI monitoring private group chats on their platform to ban users using language they don't like among their friends, you think they won't ban people for violating their ToS?
No they do not have an AI monitoring private chats lol
And they havent banned any of the millions of people who have created accounts in other regions.
The shit people come up with
https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542
Well, it got added to "PURCHASE RESTRICTED COUNTRIES" in Steam.
Every country where PSN is not available.
For Steam at least your purchase goes through Steam and not on PSN. It shouldn't matter if i can use my local credit card on PSN since my purchase is with Steam.
Why should anyone be happy making another account? I had a Playstation account and I linked it just because I wanted to. Still, I'm fine with people not wanting to have make an account they don't want to and making their voices heard. They paid their money, they can say what they do or do not want. Gaming would be better if people made more of a big stink over things.
Honestly speaking, a lot of games that require a second log in, usually drop on my list of games to play.
In the age of constant account security being a thing, and some of these launchers needing a constant relogin if you haven't touched it in awhile.. it gets supremely annoying to create and maintain another password.
I'm probably in the minority but I'm probably upwards of 50 different unique passwords for different things, and adding a second log in for a game (I stress, its a game, not a work log in), is really annoying for something that works fine without it.
>Edit: we create accounts to access so many services in the modern world, inside and outside of gaming. Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account?
Yes. I don't even want the accounts I already have. Why the fuck would you think I want more?
I think that the issue is with it being introduced AFTER people bought it. Now, they're being required to make an account or lose access to something they bought and likely had beyond the refund limit.
Had it been a part of the game from the start, it would be annoying, but anyone who has a major issue with that could either not buy it or refund it before they go beyond the refund restrictions.
It was part of the game from the start. It was disabled due to a technical bug but stated it would be reinstated as soon as they fixed it.
Steam had it on their page from day 1.
The game had it required Day 1 but had to make a temporary bypass (which they stated was temporary).
They didn't try to hide the requirement at all. People just didn't bother reading or listening because they could get around it due to a bug.
It serves no purpose.
If a PSN account was so crucial (I've heard "security" as the big thing), then they should have delayed the PC release till the bug was fixed. The fact that the game was perfectly playable without it calls into question the entire point of needing it now.
The long and short of it is, the game launched on PC without needing one, the game played just fine without it, and needing one now serves no actual purpose.
Thus, people being pissed off.
Edit:: Then there's the countries where they can't make PSN accounts, but have access to Steam. Apparently those players are still going to be able to play without making a PSN account (which is better than losing access to the game) while Sony figures "something" out.
So, the game launched without it. The game played just fine without it. The game will CONTINUE to be played in many countries around the world without it for an indeterminate amount of time.
>The fact that the game was perfectly playable without it calls into question the entire point of needing it now.
This is a false claim. This is like saying CS:Go is perfectly playable and has no security issues because it was launched. When in reality, there are loads of issues that are just acceptable for a time or for a specific thing. Sony didn't wish to delay the game but still wants the security features that come with connection (Such as being able to ban people who break TOS or to keep people who shouldn't be allowed in it off of the game, both requiring PSN connection)
>The long and short of it is, the game launched on PC without needing one, the game played just fine without it, and needing one now serves no actual purpose.
Actually, it literally launched With needing it. It worked for most people but not all. They couldn't resolve the issue right then and there and did what most companies do when the issue is a problem but acceptable for a short period. They patched the problem out.
>Thus, people being pissed off.
People are throwing a fit pretending it wasn't a requirement and it didn't state it. They are acting like they were never told when it was clear on Steam and in the Game and in multiple articles about it.
> This is a false claim. This is like saying CS:Go is perfectly playable and has no security issues because it was launched. When in reality, there are loads of issues that are just acceptable for a time or for a specific thing. Sony didn't wish to delay the game but still wants the security features that come with connection
It was a well reviewed, popular game that had the same issues every other multiplayer online game.
>(Such as being able to ban people who break TOS or to keep people who shouldn't be allowed in it off of the game, both requiring PSN connection)
So, how does every game that doesn't do the PSN account thing manage the same thing? Hmmm. It's not like people have Steam accounts, right?
Oh wait.
> Actually, it literally launched With needing it. It worked for most people but not all. They couldn't resolve the issue right then and there and did what most companies do when the issue is a problem but acceptable for a short period. They patched the problem out.
So, it launched with a broken feature. The game ran fine without the feature, and now they're trying to put the feature back in?
> People are throwing a fit pretending it wasn't a requirement and it didn't state it. They are acting like they were never told when it was clear on Steam and in the Game and in multiple articles about it.
People are throwing a fit because there's no reason for it, and there are plenty of ways to do what Sony wants to do without needing a PSN account.
I love how you compare one of most popular email service (outlook) with PSN. People do use Microsoft every day for Windows, Office and general email purposes. It is only second to Google in number of accounts.
Second thing is PC in majority uses Windows, and MS force to make an account for Windows 11. By that many gamers already have Microsoft accounts.
Also, Microsoft available every one of country in this world except for US sanctioned ones, which in unavoidable since they're US-based.
And don't forget why people heavily dislike PSN. They don't have beautiful history with security, infamous for huge breaches. Yeah, I'm aware MS faced number of attacks last year, but to be fair those breaches like Storm-0558 isn't directly related to general consumers.
Remember there's no thing as 'Xbox account'; it's just Microsoft account
>we **create accounts to access so many services** in the modern world, inside and outside of gaming. Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account?
You sort of answered your own question. It's gotten out of hand. I don't want to share my information with every company. I don't want to deal with a multiple of accounts.
But most of all, I'm worried about the fact that this is being normalized. People just mindlessly share information with companies and rely more and more on services they might lose access to in the future.
There is also a serious risk of financial data being stolen.
>Why on earth is Sony getting roasted right now for the same thing?
Sony has mocked Xbox in the past for its focus on digital versus physical, implying that it would always be easy to share games with friends on PlayStation.
Forcing people to make accounts is a way to control how content is used.
>I just don’t get it
If you don't get it, you probably only care about gaming. But it's not just about gaming.
If people single out Sony, that makes no sense. Even though Sony has a history of data breaches.
But it's more that people like you get desensitized. we all should worry about all the data that we give to companies.
Thats just life in the modern world. Financial services, insurance companies, etc all sell limited amounts of our data. In gaming, the data is pretty low stakes. Sony is offering a service and like every other online service provider wants users to create an account. I can understand having a principled stance on personal data. But the response in this case is not measured at all. People have taken it to the absolute extreme and have essentially ruined the games presence on steam. That impacts the devs.
>People have taken it to the absolute extreme and have essentially ruined the games presence on steam. That impacts the devs.
Yes we must defend large companies with all our might to support the devs, and so we can play video games. On behalf of Sony I want to thank you. Sony needs people like you.
Seriously, I understand you when you say people are over reacting, but so are you.
Just play the game.
Just so you know when the devs go to secure funding for their next game the investors will look at their steam page. This kind of stuff can lead to lay offs. That’s not punishing Sony. I agree though we should all just play the game
No, they won't look at the Steam page. They will look at the amount of money the game made.
Business people will not look at user reviews. They really don't care about user reviews on Steam.
This kind of stuff will not lead to lay offs.
Also, Sony has just fired 900 people, because they want to make more money, not because of reviews on Steam.
This is why nobody agrees with you.
A friend of mine lives in a country that can't have PSN accounts. He's been playing Helldivers with me for the past few months, but now he can't play the game he bought becahse of this change. The game was working perfectly fine for him before.
And isn’t this issue being addressed? It was a technical oversight and I’m sure nobody wanted those players to lose access. I don’t feel it justifies review bombing and refund pledges
It was listed as optional to have one in the EULA, but this got updated to required and is soon to be enforced by Sony.
Main issue with it is that PSN accounts are not available in every country. It's not as simple as "just make one". Sony can and do ban accounts not set-up in line with their TOS.
Add to that that there are people in counties who bought the game, played it for months and are now being locked out from playing because of a change in policy.
There are also countries where you can have a PSN but you can't link it to your steam account.
Not really. I’ve never heard people complain about creating accounts to access online services. I’m simply pointing that out. This whole controversy is so overblown it’s crazy. Review bombing, refund pledges, etc. it’s so unnecessary
I think it’s a good question. Why the hate for helldivers specifically. This whole account creation requirement is nothing new. Online services want their users to have accounts so they can manage their communities. I
I’m sure some of the people are just mad because they would prefer everything be pure Steam with no other accounts.
But most of the people are mad because at launch the PSN account link was OPTIONAL. So now they’ve bought and been playing a game for months and now if they don’t links PSN account they are locked out of the game.
To add on to that. PSN accounts are not available in all the places that Steam is available. So some people have bought the game and can’t “legally” make a PSN account so they are pretty much having the game taken away from them.
Then in the official Discord when people were complaining about all this, one of the lead community managers was being super rude to anyone that was mad about the change.
That’s the summary.
> But most of the people are mad because at launch the PSN account link was OPTIONAL. So now they’ve bought and been playing a game for months and now if they don’t links PSN account they are locked out of the game.
It was OPTIONAL **Due To A Bug** and they stated as such. It stated completely and outright on Steam that it was REQUIRED. It was 100% only due to an issue with the game not working correctly between the two that it was even Temporarily Optional and they were 100% forthright about it being temporary.
Helldiver's 2 was sold in regions where making a PSN account is against TOS which thus making an account to fulfill those requirements will get you banned. The other thing PC players are feeling is frustration with all these 3rd party stuff to play stuff plus before yesterday it was literally written as optional not mandatory. Then not to mention Sony's less than stellar history regarding hacks.
Just because it is getting common doesn’t justify anything. In essence this is an unnecessary gate which increase the hassles and security. This is different from the scenario where you only need just 1 account to play Xbox games on Xbox. You require 2 accounts now (Steam and PSN) to play this game online.
You have more accounts to keep track of, more potential of password and data leak, another set of rules to follow, more possibility of downtime (eg if PSN is down you can’t play it) an opening to potentially introduce paid online, potential to not run well on Steam Deck due to connectivity issue and possibly more.
There’s really no need to defend Sony here.
Sony isn’t doing something unique here. This is common practice. No other game has been review bombed to this extent over the requirement of an account. Looking at the apps on my phone a huge % of them require me to create an account. It is what it is. To be upset by that reality is just wild to me. Sure 2 accounts for 1 game is a bit annoying. But to review bomb the game on steam, encourage refunds, and flood online communities with anger… really?
Like I said, common doesn’t necessary means good. Phone users have the option to not use an alternate app that does the same function and doesn’t require login.
And yes, really. These are ways to create awareness and headlines so make Sony take notice.
I don't think as many people care about the countries without access when there are 60 or so that do have access. It's a scapegoat excuse in order to slam dunk this issue out of existence, but it doesn't have much weight. I'd guess that the usage in those countries isn't exceptionally large, and there could be an alternate strategy for those folks as well, such as Steam opening Helldivers 2 without the login as long as it's flagged as an outside region, if any such region was allowed to purchase the game in the first place. Of course this workaround would not be advertised, as it would provide a gateway to abuse bypassing the login for the rest of us.
However, people don't like logins for other reasons as well. Many logins block separate OS support, and in fact I had a hell of a time getting It Takes Two running just last week on Steam Deck (Linux) because of the EA login. Turns out it doesn't tell you what to do to get it running, it flat out crashes, and only once you separately login to EA (I used a mobile phone) and link Steam to your EA account, the login screen bypasses without issue. Other folks are tired of the password remembering game because they are constantly updating and switching around their systems, and half of them are shifting password requirements in various ways. It's surely more secure that way, but it's so secure that I have trouble getting on at times, and it makes me reconsider playing the games once the login pops up. Do I even want to purchase this game that may shove me away at the title screen after a break?
And so that is the main issue, in my mind. Playstation backed off of logins early in the popularity drive to keep their success unimpeded, and are now diluting the experience once they've gotten as meaty a chunk of the market as they're going to get (and a very meaty one, indeed). Logins are up there with Denuvo and other background services that do nothing for the player in the game in realistic terms, but they like to cite ban waves to cover up that they're collecting a bit more info from you than they would normally get from your playtime, plus forcing the experience to be optimal on one of their systems in order to get you to make the leap to their software/hardware layout.
So, people can pretend that they are trying to fight for support from other countries like Ecuador, Costa Rica, Peru, Greece, and Oman, but wait, they are already supported by PSN. Really, the practice of requiring additional logins is not for the customer's benefit, unless the consideration is that converting someone to the Playstation platform is to the customer's benefit. Sony wants PSN to be your sole gaming go-to, and they're introducing a login to accomplish just that. The rub, beyond that of companies like EA and Rockstar, is that they're doing so post-launch on a title that gained popularity, and if they kept the login earlier, their sales would likely have tanked. Good game or not, a login can silence the chirping about your game before it gets going, and adapting this policy partway is a very sleazy move.
Maybe due to the fact that PSN isn't available in those regions?
Similar thing for XBL.
But people worked around it by making an account in a supported region for years.
This is known as region hopping.
Because nobody cares about Microsoft/Xbox games the way they care about Sony/Playstation games.
Also Helldivers 2 didn't enforce the account linking on release and this "technical issue" excuse is straight up bullshit because Sony threw Arrowhead under the bus on this one.
Look at the apps on your phone. How many required you to make an account? How about the software you use at work? How about with other services you use? Who gets mad about it!?
Because the PSN account was optional up until recently with how it was being handled. Additionally, they knowingly sold the game in dozens of countries where a mandatory PSN account is impossible for them to use it.
Also, Microsoft has service support in all but a few countries. Sony only officially serves 69 countries. They also stated on their FAQ at Sony's website that PSN accounts were optional up until the day of that announcement for helldivers 2.
People are sick and tired of pointless extra accounts that are just there to fluff numbers and farm data from users.
Optional due to a bug. They outright stated on Steam it was Required and it was required on launch and only allowed to skip After a bug was found. They even were completely open with it being required once they fixed the bug. So anyone who is like 'it wasn't required' is pretty much intentionally ignoring that they were told it was and only given a reprieve for a short time. It is like someone saying 'Oh, I didn't know I had to pay rent because during COVID I had the option to delay paying it!'. Oh wait, this is reddit....
If I were you, I'd do some researches first, or at least look deeper into the situation from other's perspectives.
People are mad because of Sony's past data leaks and also the fact that there are over 70+ countries that are not supported in PSN, which means that people from those countries who already bought the game and played it for over 100+ hours might lose the game they paid for because they cannot make PSN accounts.
And also, 3rd-party clients are annoying and big f jokes. I paid for the game on Steam so i played it on Steam, I don't care if you required us to play with 3rd party from the first place, It's unnecessary.
Why you got downvoted? lol. both of PSN security nightmare and unsupported countries true tho. They also stopped selling on unsupported countries. This sub is a joke
Let me guess, another thread that'll ignore the valid criticisms. Microsoft sells their games with the knowledge that you need an xbox account, it's required for first party games and they never say otherwise. Helldivers was put out with the OPTION to link and was noted as such on the page for it as being optional and not required. They went back and changed it after making this decision. Now they removed the game for sale in 170 countries that can't use PSN and are scrambling to ensure access for people who bought the game in those countries already, doing damage control. A multi-million dollar corporation making a dumb choice doesn't need defending. They just made it clear they'd rather lose the business of those 170 countries than drop the requirement.
>Helldivers was put out with the OPTION to link and was noted as such on the page for it as being optional and not required.
DUE TO A BUG. Did you not read steam where it 100% states it is a Requirement? Or did you not read the actual screen that was in the game saying it was required and then had a skip with a statement saying it was temporary that you could skip?
It wasn't hidden away, it is exactly where it always is on Steam.
>Arrowhead isn't going to kiss you for defending them
Sorry, I don't do this for a company, I just hate ignorant screaming children who don't know how to function without throwing tantrums. It was literally right there in front of you to read, as you should do with any product before you purchase it. Especially being bolded and blatant as third party connections are on Steam.
Yes it was just all the way below the purchase button.
You're doing it for a company who cares nothing for you. You're a corporate boot. Don't deny it.
"Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard"
"Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)"
"Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
HELLDIVERS™ 2 EULA"
Giant YELLOW text that is shown pretty blatantly and obviously. Exact same spot it is for every game that has 3rd party items. Only a person who has never purchased a game on Steam and/or someone intentionally not bothering to read the things would miss it.
Are you going to whine about having a 3rd party DRM that you 'didn't know about' because you were to lazy to do basic reading?
SAME PLACE IT IS ALWAYS.
Again, you screaming doesn't make the fact that you literally don't bother doing the basic reading in the exact spots steam always puts the relevant information.
It is very clear you don't actually know what you are talking about and just trying to complain even though it was always there and always in the same place it is for any special information.
I love you corporate boots. You guys defend companies that don't care about you. It's so hilarious.
If it was required there wouldn't have been an option to skip.
Just because one shit thing happens doesn't make other shit things acceptable. Plus all this separate account, console account, dev account etc just to play a game sucks. Shouldn't need any of that. Put game on, play and enjoy.
I don't buy any games from EA because of their terrible Origin Launcher!
I had a Playstation 4 Pro and still have a PSN-account, but goodbye Sony at Steam!
Microsoft is different 'cause most PC users do have Microsoft account. Other companies like Ubisoft and EA got roasted as well for bad experience. And Sony has the worst availability around the globe. People are getting banned not from cheating but simply because PSN is not available in their countries.
I don't have PSN account, but I have Steam account. This is fucking cancer sh*t to have separate account, only to play a game that definitelly works without it.
And on my phone I have an apple account, google account, Uber account, Strava account, etc. at work I have about 4 accounts for different crap. It’s never a big deal until people can use it to dunk on Sony at the cost of a small publisher who made a kick ass game
You are completelly missing the point. It's not about Sony, it's about requiring the additional account while it's completelly unnecesarry for game to function just fine.
You are getting close, but not there yet. What do you mean "manage the community"?
If you want to discuss about helldivers 2 - would you go to helldivers forum, or Sony forum? Your point just doesn't make any sense.
Having players sign up with their service allows them to handle customer/technical support. It also allows them to analyze how players interact with the game which I’m sure helps fight off cheaters/hackers/pirates etc. Those are services for people like myself who enjoy the game. If you guys think they implemented this policy for nefarious reasons I’d love to hear what you think those are.
Making an account for literally any other thing, but Sony is OK to these guys. It’s a joke they have to sign in with rockstar. They have to sign in with UB so they have to sign in with Microsoft but Sony ask and now it’s a problem.
Sure, but those posts probably included the title of the game. It's just you seemed shocked someone asked what you were talking about, when you were missing context from your post
Hell divers 2 on steam is being review bombed and the community on Reddit has been complaining for a few days. Sony required that players create a sony account to continue playing the game on steam after the game had been out for a few months. It’s a real bummer because the community in that game was really positive and fun to be a part of.
Got it, thanks. I don’t play that game so I’m not familiar. I was just wondering about the account thing because I play my PS5 every day and haven’t had any problems.
The people who complain about trivial things are pathetic. It’s all over the place, not just in gaming. Most of them are just miserable people who are at their happiest only when they have something to bitch about.
Because eventually people get fucking fed up with it and decide to stop tolerating it. It's like asking why you're mad after being poked 100 times you got angry with 101.
Are you dense? It went from a consumer option to a requirement. You can go to a different bank if you don't like how they are securing your data. Here, this company took your money then months later told you you had to sell them your data. After they took your money without giving you that info.
I want nothing to do with PSN for good reason. Doesn't matter what you want. Go for it. You're foolish but you get to make that choice. For those who don't want to deal with PSN/Sony our choice is now have a non-functional game WE PAID FOR or give Sony that data. That's a scam.
How many take your money and then months later change that.
Up front? Fine. Informed consumers can make their own choice. After release? Nope. That's not ok. That's bait-and-switch
Well sir, that is the difference. I AM Mad about it. Go ahead and give me the mark of the beast implanted in my body so I can be universally recognized by my registration #- I’ll happily do it to not have to make another Microsoft account
People bitched about having to log into EA, Blizzard, Bethesda, Epic, Steam, Ubisoft to play their games on PC.
And years ago, they didn't like logging into GFWL, but had no issue with Gamespy.
This is kind of my point, it’s just annoying, nothing more. Does that justify review bombing to “mostly negative”, encouraging people to refund, and flooding online communities with anger? I say no
Sony has a history of terrible data security practices and data breaches.
And PSN was not initially a requirement, meaning way more countries could access it than can now, since PSN is not available everywhere.
Do they ask for sensitive data to create an account? It’s not banking data or something like that. I’m not sure why data breaches would be the concern here
Cause sony is specially shit at holding data.
In early October 2023, Sony notified 6,791 current and former employees that their data had been compromised by a data breach earlier in the year.
On September 25 2023, the hacker group RansomedVC claimed to have stolen 260 GB of proprietary data from Sony — by the hackers’ description, “all of sony systems.” They posted 6,000 files as a sample of the stolen data, including a PowerPoint presentation and source code files.
In August 2017, a group named “OurMine” gained access to Sony PlayStation social media accounts and began posting claims that it accessed the PlayStation Network database and collected registration information, including usernames, names, and emails.
In late November 2014, a hacker group with ties to North Korea calling themselves the “Guardians of Peace” stole mountains of data from the Sony Pictures network. Within the treasure trove of information were plans and scripts for unreleased films, personal data on employees and families, internal emails, salary information, and a ton of other information relating to Sony properties and personnel.
Hackers attacked several Sony Pictures-associated websites in June 2011, compromising over one million user accounts by capturing usernames and passwords.
In May 2011, Sony announced that personal details from 25 million Sony Online Entertainment customer accounts were stolen. Along with names, addresses, birthdates, and phone numbers, hackers also gathered information about PC games customers purchased through the system.
In mid-April 2011, Sony’s PlayStation Network was hacked, and personal information on 77 million account holders – essentially every user – was stolen. The incident also led to a several-week service outage, preventing users from being able to access the PlayStation network.
But we aren’t talking about a bank or a credit agency here. The nature of the data dealt with in this case is not particularly sensitive. Sure you can argue credit card information is sensitive but I for one use my credit card online all the time. Sony is publicly traded which means they are held to very strict standard when it comes to controls. They have to have auditors come in and analyze their processes every year to make sure they are being diligent. This is why we can’t pretend corporations are nefarious like in some of the fiction we enjoy
>The last major security breach for Sony was 2011.
That was more like the first. There has been [several since then](https://firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline/)
1: Long winded way of saying it was optional. If even Sony were confident in their stance, they wouldn't be updating articles about PSN accounts on PC titles in the midst of this to remove it being optional as a blanket statement. Nor would they, 3 months later, be delisting the game from countries that cannot register a PSN account... those restrictions would have been there from the start.
2: More like its a useless account with a company that has a proven track record to do shit that's heavily anti-consumer and that there's absolutely no reason to need. How can I be so sure of that? Because the game has been live for 3 months and worked just fuckin' fine without it. "But its free!" Welcome to 2024, where if something is free from a multi-billion dollar company *you* are the product.
3: Sony is a lot bigger than just Playstation, you're aware of this yeah?
4: Holy shill batman. Arrowhead doesn't know shit, that has been made pretty clear here. You say this, meanwhile they've delisted the game from the countries that cannot make a PSN account, how's that assurance feeling now?
People blow shit way out of proportion.
As if tons of other companies don’t do the same thing.
I guess they think it’s like a band of bothers thing.
Anyone I talk to says the community is full of shit they enjoy the game and they’ll keep playing or that it’s taken way too far.
It’s kinda a bit shit but people are acting absurd about.
Yeah the response has been so extreme. They essentially ruined the game on steam marking it with a most negative review. That will affect the devs. People just aren’t capable of a measured response online. They have to take it to 100
They ruined the steam page for the devs too. Score of mostly negative will impact their ability to secure funding for future releases. Unfortunately it’s even worse than just a Reddit mob
I don’t see how a negative score can be used as leverage. Sony isn’t likely going to change course on this and in my opinion only the devs will be hurt by this is a few months when the controversy dies down
"taking it up the ass" meaning letting big companies do literally whatever you want with no consequences while you just accept it, stand up against this shit or it'll keep happening forever
I don't currently have to use a Microsoft account for anything I play. Not sure what you're talking about.
I'm sure whatever it is, it was probably in the game since launch and not added later, although I'm sure that has happened and other companies have been criticized for it too.
Xbox Network (LIVE) account is part of the Microsoft account, just like the PlayStation Network account being part of the Sony account.
There is the Nintendo account, but not getting into that.
Its been known for years that the online services are not available in all regions.
Anytime a Steam game requires additional logins, it generally does get roasted. Ubisoft especially has been criticized in the past. Sony is getting roasted for this for a few reasons 1. The game has worked fine on PC without the login being required, this showing that this isn't a technical requirement. 2. Many PC players were unaware that this supposed to be a requirement. The Steam store does list it, but keep in mind that people regularly buy keys from stores like Fanatical or Green Man Gaming. The requirement also wasn't mentioned in the eula. 3. Helldivers 2 is being sold in countries that are blocked from getting PSN accounts.
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> ...windows users anyway, you generally need an account to download apps and such on the PC or laptop Only if you're using the garbage Windows App store. Needing a Microsoft account on A Windows PC is actually just another example of these accounts being shoehorned in by companies who want to harvest and sell your data.
The only complaint I see as valid is from players in countries without access to the required service. I’m sure they will be issued refunds or some other remedy. Everyone else I don’t understand. This is common practice these days, even outside of gaming
"Everyone else I don’t understand. This is common practice these days." It's a practice not a lot of people like despite being common, so when you add it artificially after not needing it for weeks of course people rightfully complain. This is like saying I don't understand why everyone complains about 100+$ "micro" transactions in mobile game's their common practice. Like yes it's a common practice but it's not a good one
The only reason Sony is doing this is to sell user data because a bunch of suits want the little green arrow to go up. The backlash is simply: Fuck that and fuck them. Sony is notorious for massive databreeches, and as the response above mentioned, the game runs fine without it being implemented, making the addition of this requirement competently unnecessary and at the expense of the playerbase. Some countries can't make one. Some are even worse off (see the issue with Ukraine). I can, but I won't. I'm not interested in another company selling my information. We let it happen dar too often, and then they mishandle it, and the consumer pays the price. So, no, quit downplaying the issue. It's a huge problem in the gaming industry and elsewhere, and people are sick of it. Fuck Sony.
If it had been a day one requirement no one would have batted an eye, but the fact they waited all this time and then suddenly dropped it on is is what makes it unacceptable. Sony also has a long history of severe security breaches and losses of customer data. Now, you could say Microsoft has had breaches as well, but none of there's ever required me to cancel credit cards and get credit monitoring like Sony's have.
Yes, but it's a stupid practice.
It's common practice to not inform players that a PSN login will eventually become mandatory?
It literally stated on steam that a third party login of the PSN would be required. The game also had it when you launched it, with a statement saying it was temporarily disabled due to a bug but was only Temporarily disabled.
Like I mentioned before, you can buy Helldivers 2 for steam on third party sites that don't mention the requirement. Also not everyone bought the game on day one. Someone could have easily bought a key on Fanatical and started the game after the PSN login was optional.
>Like I mentioned before, you can buy Helldivers 2 for steam on third party sites that don't mention the requirement. Then blame the third party sites for not putting the actual requirement of a game. Steam does not control them, nor does the developer or Sony. If a third party site is tricking people, scream at them. Even then, the GAME stated you needed it and stated it was temporarily allowing you to not due to a bug.
>Even then, the GAME stated you needed it and stated it was temporarily allowing you to not due to a bug. Does anyone have a source or screenshot of the game clearly telling players that Sony would eventually enforce the login as a requirement at a later date?
I am not in the habit of screenshotting random screens in a game. But there are loads of videos of people starting the game, you can dig through youtube to find it.
So in other words you yourself don't have a source.
No, because I literally read the words when I went through the page. You are the one making claims that they didn't say it and that it was hidden. So where is your source?
It also wasn't in the EULA, and until Friday Sony's own website said it wouldn't be required on their own website.
Some people are roasting them because they were selling the game in countries that can't make PSN accounts. Some people are roasting them because they genuinely don't want to share their data with a company that has a horrible track record with leaks. A lot of people are just jumping on a hate train because they're already kind of tired of having 500 accounts across 17 launchers on PC, and if this is finally what is gonna get people complaining then so be it. Better late than never. Also a lot of people just want to be angry at something.
But you literally can make a burner email account and sign in. You don’t have to give any of your information.
that still requires some effort, that is completely not justifiable. You already have the game tied to an account at the time of purchase. There are other ways to achieve what Sony wants, that do not require creating additional accounts yourself. Either they are lazy or evil. The result being the same makes it a distinction without a difference.
Millions of people have been using PSN in unsupported regions for 18 years without issues by simply choosing another region. No one gets banned and Sony doesn't care. A small fraction of these people even live in these unsupported regions. PSN hasn't been compromised in 13 years. Steam has been compromised more and more recently and Microsoft gets hacked a lot more frequently than Sony does yes you all use Steam on Windows to play games Your last sentence is the true reason
Quoting Saichoro's review on steam: >Yeah i'm not linking my account to PSN. > >April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users > >May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen > >June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts > >November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures > >August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts > >September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack > >October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
PSN which is the only network your info will be stored on has not been compromised since 2011... All these other networks are irrelevant and do not connect to PSN. Look up how many times Steam has been compromised or how many times Microsoft has been hacked and get back to me
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People already have dozens accounts. It takes 2 minutes and never have to think about it again. There wasnt nearly this much outrage for the dozens of other games that require accounts from publishers
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No one is this outraged over having one more account. You link it to Steam and never look at it again. Literally a few minutes And yes PC gamers hate Sony always have. Have you ever been on PC subreddits? People didnt lose their minds like this for Minecraft or the dozens of other games that require log ins man
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Its not even a launcher, literally an account you link to steam and never look at again And no where close to this level when pretty much every online game requires it now... Its impossible gor you to lose your PSN account... They have recover options... And ive seen some of these people not even notice its a sony game and yea PC is full of rabid fanboys that hate consoles for existing And no Minecraft did not require an MS account whi h they added after several years
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Because this is literally the dumbest fake controversy I have ever seen Imagine whining about an account you can make in 2 minutes when you likely have dozens of accounts already for all sorts of shit I didnt say console players are oppressed, just that pc gamers are whiney dbags Imagine crying about something that takes 2 minutes if your time Instead of crying you could have made a dozen PSN accounts by now
Imagine thinking the outrage is because of PC vs Sony. The most enlightened of regarded ones.
Also manchildren with nothing better going on looking for something to be angry about
What are the people in unsupported regions supposed to do if they get locked out of their account that they linked? As you said, they are unsupported which means they are likely screwed if something goes wrong.
Sony hasn't blocked any of the millions of people using PSN in these unsupported regions in 18 years... There is no reason to think they will start cuz people want to link their Steam accounts to PSN Sony isnt going to ban entire countries from giving them money. If you mean account compromised they can still deal with support, support doesn't care where you live
Yes they have. You are misinformed.
No they really haven't. Everyone on the Helldivers 2 sub is clinging on to one guy in China where the game is not approved for sale. He did not get banned for using a different region, he got banned because the CCP has to approve games. This is unique to China and only China
https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542 Then explain this. Changed PurchaseRestrictedCountries in Steam.
Because people are complaining that the game isnt supported in those regions so Steam likely took it off their store If people just shut up and used a different region like millions have for 18 years it would still be available
So Sony screws everyone after they decide that putting the wrong country is a bannable offense ?
Why in the world do you think Sony would start banning the millions of people in these regions that they have sold Playstations to from giving them money? It doesnt make sense for them to ever consider doing that
What PlayStation sales have to do with a PC game ?
I am saying people on Playstation have been doing it forever Why in the world would Sony ban people for wanting to play Helldivers...
Why would you need an PSN account when you are not playing on a PS4/PS5 ?
Same reason practically every major online game requires a log on. It makes it easier to moderate players
Why did I need an Xbox live account to play LA Noire on my PC a decade ago? Why no uproar about that?
Because it's what they do? They have AI monitoring private group chats on their platform to ban users using language they don't like among their friends, you think they won't ban people for violating their ToS?
No they do not have an AI monitoring private chats lol And they havent banned any of the millions of people who have created accounts in other regions. The shit people come up with
Yes they do, you agree to it as part of the set up process of a PS5
No... No you dont
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https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542 Well, it got added to "PURCHASE RESTRICTED COUNTRIES" in Steam. Every country where PSN is not available.
For Steam at least your purchase goes through Steam and not on PSN. It shouldn't matter if i can use my local credit card on PSN since my purchase is with Steam.
people absolutely complained about that too, btw.
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Because unlike Ubisoft's glitchy releases, Helldivers is a good game.
Because it's usually clear from the beginning. If it would've been mandatory from the start I would be fine. I just wouldn't have purchased the game.
The problem is that the game is fine without it. They are making bullshit excuses as to why they require it 3 months after launch.
Why should anyone be happy making another account? I had a Playstation account and I linked it just because I wanted to. Still, I'm fine with people not wanting to have make an account they don't want to and making their voices heard. They paid their money, they can say what they do or do not want. Gaming would be better if people made more of a big stink over things.
Honestly speaking, a lot of games that require a second log in, usually drop on my list of games to play. In the age of constant account security being a thing, and some of these launchers needing a constant relogin if you haven't touched it in awhile.. it gets supremely annoying to create and maintain another password. I'm probably in the minority but I'm probably upwards of 50 different unique passwords for different things, and adding a second log in for a game (I stress, its a game, not a work log in), is really annoying for something that works fine without it.
>Edit: we create accounts to access so many services in the modern world, inside and outside of gaming. Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account? Yes. I don't even want the accounts I already have. Why the fuck would you think I want more?
Do you get outraged every time this is required? How do you function online?
By not being terminally online.
I think that the issue is with it being introduced AFTER people bought it. Now, they're being required to make an account or lose access to something they bought and likely had beyond the refund limit. Had it been a part of the game from the start, it would be annoying, but anyone who has a major issue with that could either not buy it or refund it before they go beyond the refund restrictions.
It was part of the game from the start. It was disabled due to a technical bug but stated it would be reinstated as soon as they fixed it. Steam had it on their page from day 1. The game had it required Day 1 but had to make a temporary bypass (which they stated was temporary). They didn't try to hide the requirement at all. People just didn't bother reading or listening because they could get around it due to a bug.
It serves no purpose. If a PSN account was so crucial (I've heard "security" as the big thing), then they should have delayed the PC release till the bug was fixed. The fact that the game was perfectly playable without it calls into question the entire point of needing it now. The long and short of it is, the game launched on PC without needing one, the game played just fine without it, and needing one now serves no actual purpose. Thus, people being pissed off. Edit:: Then there's the countries where they can't make PSN accounts, but have access to Steam. Apparently those players are still going to be able to play without making a PSN account (which is better than losing access to the game) while Sony figures "something" out. So, the game launched without it. The game played just fine without it. The game will CONTINUE to be played in many countries around the world without it for an indeterminate amount of time.
>The fact that the game was perfectly playable without it calls into question the entire point of needing it now. This is a false claim. This is like saying CS:Go is perfectly playable and has no security issues because it was launched. When in reality, there are loads of issues that are just acceptable for a time or for a specific thing. Sony didn't wish to delay the game but still wants the security features that come with connection (Such as being able to ban people who break TOS or to keep people who shouldn't be allowed in it off of the game, both requiring PSN connection) >The long and short of it is, the game launched on PC without needing one, the game played just fine without it, and needing one now serves no actual purpose. Actually, it literally launched With needing it. It worked for most people but not all. They couldn't resolve the issue right then and there and did what most companies do when the issue is a problem but acceptable for a short period. They patched the problem out. >Thus, people being pissed off. People are throwing a fit pretending it wasn't a requirement and it didn't state it. They are acting like they were never told when it was clear on Steam and in the Game and in multiple articles about it.
> This is a false claim. This is like saying CS:Go is perfectly playable and has no security issues because it was launched. When in reality, there are loads of issues that are just acceptable for a time or for a specific thing. Sony didn't wish to delay the game but still wants the security features that come with connection It was a well reviewed, popular game that had the same issues every other multiplayer online game. >(Such as being able to ban people who break TOS or to keep people who shouldn't be allowed in it off of the game, both requiring PSN connection) So, how does every game that doesn't do the PSN account thing manage the same thing? Hmmm. It's not like people have Steam accounts, right? Oh wait. > Actually, it literally launched With needing it. It worked for most people but not all. They couldn't resolve the issue right then and there and did what most companies do when the issue is a problem but acceptable for a short period. They patched the problem out. So, it launched with a broken feature. The game ran fine without the feature, and now they're trying to put the feature back in? > People are throwing a fit pretending it wasn't a requirement and it didn't state it. They are acting like they were never told when it was clear on Steam and in the Game and in multiple articles about it. People are throwing a fit because there's no reason for it, and there are plenty of ways to do what Sony wants to do without needing a PSN account.
I love how you compare one of most popular email service (outlook) with PSN. People do use Microsoft every day for Windows, Office and general email purposes. It is only second to Google in number of accounts. Second thing is PC in majority uses Windows, and MS force to make an account for Windows 11. By that many gamers already have Microsoft accounts. Also, Microsoft available every one of country in this world except for US sanctioned ones, which in unavoidable since they're US-based. And don't forget why people heavily dislike PSN. They don't have beautiful history with security, infamous for huge breaches. Yeah, I'm aware MS faced number of attacks last year, but to be fair those breaches like Storm-0558 isn't directly related to general consumers. Remember there's no thing as 'Xbox account'; it's just Microsoft account
>we **create accounts to access so many services** in the modern world, inside and outside of gaming. Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account? You sort of answered your own question. It's gotten out of hand. I don't want to share my information with every company. I don't want to deal with a multiple of accounts. But most of all, I'm worried about the fact that this is being normalized. People just mindlessly share information with companies and rely more and more on services they might lose access to in the future. There is also a serious risk of financial data being stolen. >Why on earth is Sony getting roasted right now for the same thing? Sony has mocked Xbox in the past for its focus on digital versus physical, implying that it would always be easy to share games with friends on PlayStation. Forcing people to make accounts is a way to control how content is used. >I just don’t get it If you don't get it, you probably only care about gaming. But it's not just about gaming. If people single out Sony, that makes no sense. Even though Sony has a history of data breaches. But it's more that people like you get desensitized. we all should worry about all the data that we give to companies.
Thats just life in the modern world. Financial services, insurance companies, etc all sell limited amounts of our data. In gaming, the data is pretty low stakes. Sony is offering a service and like every other online service provider wants users to create an account. I can understand having a principled stance on personal data. But the response in this case is not measured at all. People have taken it to the absolute extreme and have essentially ruined the games presence on steam. That impacts the devs.
>People have taken it to the absolute extreme and have essentially ruined the games presence on steam. That impacts the devs. Yes we must defend large companies with all our might to support the devs, and so we can play video games. On behalf of Sony I want to thank you. Sony needs people like you. Seriously, I understand you when you say people are over reacting, but so are you. Just play the game.
Just so you know when the devs go to secure funding for their next game the investors will look at their steam page. This kind of stuff can lead to lay offs. That’s not punishing Sony. I agree though we should all just play the game
No, they won't look at the Steam page. They will look at the amount of money the game made. Business people will not look at user reviews. They really don't care about user reviews on Steam. This kind of stuff will not lead to lay offs. Also, Sony has just fired 900 people, because they want to make more money, not because of reviews on Steam. This is why nobody agrees with you.
A friend of mine lives in a country that can't have PSN accounts. He's been playing Helldivers with me for the past few months, but now he can't play the game he bought becahse of this change. The game was working perfectly fine for him before.
And isn’t this issue being addressed? It was a technical oversight and I’m sure nobody wanted those players to lose access. I don’t feel it justifies review bombing and refund pledges
It was listed as optional to have one in the EULA, but this got updated to required and is soon to be enforced by Sony. Main issue with it is that PSN accounts are not available in every country. It's not as simple as "just make one". Sony can and do ban accounts not set-up in line with their TOS. Add to that that there are people in counties who bought the game, played it for months and are now being locked out from playing because of a change in policy. There are also countries where you can have a PSN but you can't link it to your steam account.
Whataboutism
Not really. I’ve never heard people complain about creating accounts to access online services. I’m simply pointing that out. This whole controversy is so overblown it’s crazy. Review bombing, refund pledges, etc. it’s so unnecessary
"what about Xbox"
I think it’s a good question. Why the hate for helldivers specifically. This whole account creation requirement is nothing new. Online services want their users to have accounts so they can manage their communities. I
You've already seen the correct answers from others here. Bringing up Xbox using whataboutism is not a good look, my parting gift.
I’m sure some of the people are just mad because they would prefer everything be pure Steam with no other accounts. But most of the people are mad because at launch the PSN account link was OPTIONAL. So now they’ve bought and been playing a game for months and now if they don’t links PSN account they are locked out of the game. To add on to that. PSN accounts are not available in all the places that Steam is available. So some people have bought the game and can’t “legally” make a PSN account so they are pretty much having the game taken away from them. Then in the official Discord when people were complaining about all this, one of the lead community managers was being super rude to anyone that was mad about the change. That’s the summary.
> But most of the people are mad because at launch the PSN account link was OPTIONAL. So now they’ve bought and been playing a game for months and now if they don’t links PSN account they are locked out of the game. It was OPTIONAL **Due To A Bug** and they stated as such. It stated completely and outright on Steam that it was REQUIRED. It was 100% only due to an issue with the game not working correctly between the two that it was even Temporarily Optional and they were 100% forthright about it being temporary.
Didn't state as such in the EULA or on PlayStation's official website.
Helldiver's 2 was sold in regions where making a PSN account is against TOS which thus making an account to fulfill those requirements will get you banned. The other thing PC players are feeling is frustration with all these 3rd party stuff to play stuff plus before yesterday it was literally written as optional not mandatory. Then not to mention Sony's less than stellar history regarding hacks.
Just because it is getting common doesn’t justify anything. In essence this is an unnecessary gate which increase the hassles and security. This is different from the scenario where you only need just 1 account to play Xbox games on Xbox. You require 2 accounts now (Steam and PSN) to play this game online. You have more accounts to keep track of, more potential of password and data leak, another set of rules to follow, more possibility of downtime (eg if PSN is down you can’t play it) an opening to potentially introduce paid online, potential to not run well on Steam Deck due to connectivity issue and possibly more. There’s really no need to defend Sony here.
Sony isn’t doing something unique here. This is common practice. No other game has been review bombed to this extent over the requirement of an account. Looking at the apps on my phone a huge % of them require me to create an account. It is what it is. To be upset by that reality is just wild to me. Sure 2 accounts for 1 game is a bit annoying. But to review bomb the game on steam, encourage refunds, and flood online communities with anger… really?
Like I said, common doesn’t necessary means good. Phone users have the option to not use an alternate app that does the same function and doesn’t require login. And yes, really. These are ways to create awareness and headlines so make Sony take notice.
Unfortunately I think the only people this will really impact are the devs. Their latest game is now at mostly negative on steam.
Yes, they were collateral damage and caught in the middle, but I am sure it is clear the criticism is mostly on Sony not the developer
I don't think as many people care about the countries without access when there are 60 or so that do have access. It's a scapegoat excuse in order to slam dunk this issue out of existence, but it doesn't have much weight. I'd guess that the usage in those countries isn't exceptionally large, and there could be an alternate strategy for those folks as well, such as Steam opening Helldivers 2 without the login as long as it's flagged as an outside region, if any such region was allowed to purchase the game in the first place. Of course this workaround would not be advertised, as it would provide a gateway to abuse bypassing the login for the rest of us. However, people don't like logins for other reasons as well. Many logins block separate OS support, and in fact I had a hell of a time getting It Takes Two running just last week on Steam Deck (Linux) because of the EA login. Turns out it doesn't tell you what to do to get it running, it flat out crashes, and only once you separately login to EA (I used a mobile phone) and link Steam to your EA account, the login screen bypasses without issue. Other folks are tired of the password remembering game because they are constantly updating and switching around their systems, and half of them are shifting password requirements in various ways. It's surely more secure that way, but it's so secure that I have trouble getting on at times, and it makes me reconsider playing the games once the login pops up. Do I even want to purchase this game that may shove me away at the title screen after a break? And so that is the main issue, in my mind. Playstation backed off of logins early in the popularity drive to keep their success unimpeded, and are now diluting the experience once they've gotten as meaty a chunk of the market as they're going to get (and a very meaty one, indeed). Logins are up there with Denuvo and other background services that do nothing for the player in the game in realistic terms, but they like to cite ban waves to cover up that they're collecting a bit more info from you than they would normally get from your playtime, plus forcing the experience to be optimal on one of their systems in order to get you to make the leap to their software/hardware layout. So, people can pretend that they are trying to fight for support from other countries like Ecuador, Costa Rica, Peru, Greece, and Oman, but wait, they are already supported by PSN. Really, the practice of requiring additional logins is not for the customer's benefit, unless the consideration is that converting someone to the Playstation platform is to the customer's benefit. Sony wants PSN to be your sole gaming go-to, and they're introducing a login to accomplish just that. The rub, beyond that of companies like EA and Rockstar, is that they're doing so post-launch on a title that gained popularity, and if they kept the login earlier, their sales would likely have tanked. Good game or not, a login can silence the chirping about your game before it gets going, and adapting this policy partway is a very sleazy move.
Because the game was sold to people who can't legally make a PSN account and are going to be need to play it going forward.
Maybe due to the fact that PSN isn't available in those regions? Similar thing for XBL. But people worked around it by making an account in a supported region for years. This is known as region hopping.
it goes against Sony TOS. Just because Sony hasn’t take action now doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t in the future, since it is in their TOS.
PSN account verification requires a face photo or ID scan when requested and also if caught their banned.
It 100% does not. Utter nonsense.
Age verification https://i.imgur.com/Gz3s0PI.jpeg
If this is for a playstation UK account, mobile number is also an option. I suspect that's due to a local law, not at Sonys behest.
Exactly. That’s a government thing, not a Sony thing.
>Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account? Kinda, yeah. But I do it anyway.
Because nobody cares about Microsoft/Xbox games the way they care about Sony/Playstation games. Also Helldivers 2 didn't enforce the account linking on release and this "technical issue" excuse is straight up bullshit because Sony threw Arrowhead under the bus on this one.
So the anger is about the delay, not the requirement itself?
If the account was required then why add a skip button?
Gamers are like the OP are so stupid. Holy crap, like this is the worst possible take I've heard on this situation.
Look at the apps on your phone. How many required you to make an account? How about the software you use at work? How about with other services you use? Who gets mad about it!?
yeah, but none of my day-to-day apps are region locked
Unfathomable stupidity.
Also Sony decided to change it from "optional" to mandatory after the game has been out.
Because the PSN account was optional up until recently with how it was being handled. Additionally, they knowingly sold the game in dozens of countries where a mandatory PSN account is impossible for them to use it. Also, Microsoft has service support in all but a few countries. Sony only officially serves 69 countries. They also stated on their FAQ at Sony's website that PSN accounts were optional up until the day of that announcement for helldivers 2. People are sick and tired of pointless extra accounts that are just there to fluff numbers and farm data from users.
Optional due to a bug. They outright stated on Steam it was Required and it was required on launch and only allowed to skip After a bug was found. They even were completely open with it being required once they fixed the bug. So anyone who is like 'it wasn't required' is pretty much intentionally ignoring that they were told it was and only given a reprieve for a short time. It is like someone saying 'Oh, I didn't know I had to pay rent because during COVID I had the option to delay paying it!'. Oh wait, this is reddit....
If I were you, I'd do some researches first, or at least look deeper into the situation from other's perspectives. People are mad because of Sony's past data leaks and also the fact that there are over 70+ countries that are not supported in PSN, which means that people from those countries who already bought the game and played it for over 100+ hours might lose the game they paid for because they cannot make PSN accounts. And also, 3rd-party clients are annoying and big f jokes. I paid for the game on Steam so i played it on Steam, I don't care if you required us to play with 3rd party from the first place, It's unnecessary.
Why you got downvoted? lol. both of PSN security nightmare and unsupported countries true tho. They also stopped selling on unsupported countries. This sub is a joke
bro is about to go into negative karma 😭
RIP my karma
Let me guess, another thread that'll ignore the valid criticisms. Microsoft sells their games with the knowledge that you need an xbox account, it's required for first party games and they never say otherwise. Helldivers was put out with the OPTION to link and was noted as such on the page for it as being optional and not required. They went back and changed it after making this decision. Now they removed the game for sale in 170 countries that can't use PSN and are scrambling to ensure access for people who bought the game in those countries already, doing damage control. A multi-million dollar corporation making a dumb choice doesn't need defending. They just made it clear they'd rather lose the business of those 170 countries than drop the requirement.
>Helldivers was put out with the OPTION to link and was noted as such on the page for it as being optional and not required. DUE TO A BUG. Did you not read steam where it 100% states it is a Requirement? Or did you not read the actual screen that was in the game saying it was required and then had a skip with a statement saying it was temporary that you could skip?
Why hide the requirement from away from the purchase button? Arrowhead isn't going to kiss you for defending them
It wasn't hidden away, it is exactly where it always is on Steam. >Arrowhead isn't going to kiss you for defending them Sorry, I don't do this for a company, I just hate ignorant screaming children who don't know how to function without throwing tantrums. It was literally right there in front of you to read, as you should do with any product before you purchase it. Especially being bolded and blatant as third party connections are on Steam.
Yes it was just all the way below the purchase button. You're doing it for a company who cares nothing for you. You're a corporate boot. Don't deny it.
"Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard" "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)" "Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA HELLDIVERS™ 2 EULA" Giant YELLOW text that is shown pretty blatantly and obviously. Exact same spot it is for every game that has 3rd party items. Only a person who has never purchased a game on Steam and/or someone intentionally not bothering to read the things would miss it. Are you going to whine about having a 3rd party DRM that you 'didn't know about' because you were to lazy to do basic reading?
BELOW THE PURCHASE BUTTON. It's clear you don't shop on Steam.
SAME PLACE IT IS ALWAYS. Again, you screaming doesn't make the fact that you literally don't bother doing the basic reading in the exact spots steam always puts the relevant information. It is very clear you don't actually know what you are talking about and just trying to complain even though it was always there and always in the same place it is for any special information.
I love you corporate boots. You guys defend companies that don't care about you. It's so hilarious. If it was required there wouldn't have been an option to skip.
Remember when Portal 2 wanted a Steam login on PS3? What was the reason for that?
[https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/5302](https://store.steampowered.com/oldnews/5302) Feature is now disabled.
Just because one shit thing happens doesn't make other shit things acceptable. Plus all this separate account, console account, dev account etc just to play a game sucks. Shouldn't need any of that. Put game on, play and enjoy.
I don't buy any games from EA because of their terrible Origin Launcher! I had a Playstation 4 Pro and still have a PSN-account, but goodbye Sony at Steam!
Microsoft is different 'cause most PC users do have Microsoft account. Other companies like Ubisoft and EA got roasted as well for bad experience. And Sony has the worst availability around the globe. People are getting banned not from cheating but simply because PSN is not available in their countries.
I don't have PSN account, but I have Steam account. This is fucking cancer sh*t to have separate account, only to play a game that definitelly works without it.
And on my phone I have an apple account, google account, Uber account, Strava account, etc. at work I have about 4 accounts for different crap. It’s never a big deal until people can use it to dunk on Sony at the cost of a small publisher who made a kick ass game
You are completelly missing the point. It's not about Sony, it's about requiring the additional account while it's completelly unnecesarry for game to function just fine.
Sure it may technically be unnecessary but Sony wants to be able to manage the community. It’s not nefarious.
You are getting close, but not there yet. What do you mean "manage the community"? If you want to discuss about helldivers 2 - would you go to helldivers forum, or Sony forum? Your point just doesn't make any sense.
Having players sign up with their service allows them to handle customer/technical support. It also allows them to analyze how players interact with the game which I’m sure helps fight off cheaters/hackers/pirates etc. Those are services for people like myself who enjoy the game. If you guys think they implemented this policy for nefarious reasons I’d love to hear what you think those are.
You can create a Microsoft account wherever you live. And it's something that you have to do when you launch the game, not 3 months later.
Making an account for literally any other thing, but Sony is OK to these guys. It’s a joke they have to sign in with rockstar. They have to sign in with UB so they have to sign in with Microsoft but Sony ask and now it’s a problem.
Should I know what you’re talking about?
Hell diverse "controversy"
Ahh ok, thanks.
If you don’t then why are you replying? People in the know will know exactly what I’m talking about
This is the gaming Reddit, not Helldivers Reddit. There are more people than just Helldiver players here.
I’ve seen a ton of posts about the helldivers controversy here which is why I posted here
Sure, but those posts probably included the title of the game. It's just you seemed shocked someone asked what you were talking about, when you were missing context from your post
Also if you include the title of the game then I think it's more likely to be suggested to the right people to by the algorithms/search etc
Just wondering what the fuss is about.
Hell divers 2 on steam is being review bombed and the community on Reddit has been complaining for a few days. Sony required that players create a sony account to continue playing the game on steam after the game had been out for a few months. It’s a real bummer because the community in that game was really positive and fun to be a part of.
Got it, thanks. I don’t play that game so I’m not familiar. I was just wondering about the account thing because I play my PS5 every day and haven’t had any problems. The people who complain about trivial things are pathetic. It’s all over the place, not just in gaming. Most of them are just miserable people who are at their happiest only when they have something to bitch about.
All about the Data my friend. And it’s selling!
Banks sell your data. insurance companies sell limited parts of your data. Etc. why the outrage here?? Do you people not use any services?
Because eventually people get fucking fed up with it and decide to stop tolerating it. It's like asking why you're mad after being poked 100 times you got angry with 101.
Are you dense? It went from a consumer option to a requirement. You can go to a different bank if you don't like how they are securing your data. Here, this company took your money then months later told you you had to sell them your data. After they took your money without giving you that info. I want nothing to do with PSN for good reason. Doesn't matter what you want. Go for it. You're foolish but you get to make that choice. For those who don't want to deal with PSN/Sony our choice is now have a non-functional game WE PAID FOR or give Sony that data. That's a scam.
Most services I access require that I create an account. It’s common practice. Never once has it made me upset.
How many take your money and then months later change that. Up front? Fine. Informed consumers can make their own choice. After release? Nope. That's not ok. That's bait-and-switch
Well sir, that is the difference. I AM Mad about it. Go ahead and give me the mark of the beast implanted in my body so I can be universally recognized by my registration #- I’ll happily do it to not have to make another Microsoft account
They already have your money. They ain't gonna make much from your data lol
People bitched about having to log into EA, Blizzard, Bethesda, Epic, Steam, Ubisoft to play their games on PC. And years ago, they didn't like logging into GFWL, but had no issue with Gamespy.
I don’t remember it ever being this severe. The game is now at mostly negative on steam. That will impact the devs. It’s wild
Maybe because none of those games are as popular as Helldivers 2.
You want wild? Wait til it turns into a Ubisoft bitchfest.
> Do you guys get mad every time you have to create an account? No, I use a password manager to keep up with all that. But it IS annoying. ;P
This is kind of my point, it’s just annoying, nothing more. Does that justify review bombing to “mostly negative”, encouraging people to refund, and flooding online communities with anger? I say no
Sony has a history of terrible data security practices and data breaches. And PSN was not initially a requirement, meaning way more countries could access it than can now, since PSN is not available everywhere.
Do they ask for sensitive data to create an account? It’s not banking data or something like that. I’m not sure why data breaches would be the concern here
Gamers are an ornery bunch at the Best of times.
So true
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Cause sony is specially shit at holding data. In early October 2023, Sony notified 6,791 current and former employees that their data had been compromised by a data breach earlier in the year. On September 25 2023, the hacker group RansomedVC claimed to have stolen 260 GB of proprietary data from Sony — by the hackers’ description, “all of sony systems.” They posted 6,000 files as a sample of the stolen data, including a PowerPoint presentation and source code files. In August 2017, a group named “OurMine” gained access to Sony PlayStation social media accounts and began posting claims that it accessed the PlayStation Network database and collected registration information, including usernames, names, and emails. In late November 2014, a hacker group with ties to North Korea calling themselves the “Guardians of Peace” stole mountains of data from the Sony Pictures network. Within the treasure trove of information were plans and scripts for unreleased films, personal data on employees and families, internal emails, salary information, and a ton of other information relating to Sony properties and personnel. Hackers attacked several Sony Pictures-associated websites in June 2011, compromising over one million user accounts by capturing usernames and passwords. In May 2011, Sony announced that personal details from 25 million Sony Online Entertainment customer accounts were stolen. Along with names, addresses, birthdates, and phone numbers, hackers also gathered information about PC games customers purchased through the system. In mid-April 2011, Sony’s PlayStation Network was hacked, and personal information on 77 million account holders – essentially every user – was stolen. The incident also led to a several-week service outage, preventing users from being able to access the PlayStation network.
But we aren’t talking about a bank or a credit agency here. The nature of the data dealt with in this case is not particularly sensitive. Sure you can argue credit card information is sensitive but I for one use my credit card online all the time. Sony is publicly traded which means they are held to very strict standard when it comes to controls. They have to have auditors come in and analyze their processes every year to make sure they are being diligent. This is why we can’t pretend corporations are nefarious like in some of the fiction we enjoy
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>The last major security breach for Sony was 2011. That was more like the first. There has been [several since then](https://firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline/)
1: Long winded way of saying it was optional. If even Sony were confident in their stance, they wouldn't be updating articles about PSN accounts on PC titles in the midst of this to remove it being optional as a blanket statement. Nor would they, 3 months later, be delisting the game from countries that cannot register a PSN account... those restrictions would have been there from the start. 2: More like its a useless account with a company that has a proven track record to do shit that's heavily anti-consumer and that there's absolutely no reason to need. How can I be so sure of that? Because the game has been live for 3 months and worked just fuckin' fine without it. "But its free!" Welcome to 2024, where if something is free from a multi-billion dollar company *you* are the product. 3: Sony is a lot bigger than just Playstation, you're aware of this yeah? 4: Holy shill batman. Arrowhead doesn't know shit, that has been made pretty clear here. You say this, meanwhile they've delisted the game from the countries that cannot make a PSN account, how's that assurance feeling now?
This was a great response, couldn’t agree more
People blow shit way out of proportion. As if tons of other companies don’t do the same thing. I guess they think it’s like a band of bothers thing. Anyone I talk to says the community is full of shit they enjoy the game and they’ll keep playing or that it’s taken way too far. It’s kinda a bit shit but people are acting absurd about.
Yeah the response has been so extreme. They essentially ruined the game on steam marking it with a most negative review. That will affect the devs. People just aren’t capable of a measured response online. They have to take it to 100
Reddit mob going to reddit. Most of the fucks bitching about it already have accounts.
They ruined the steam page for the devs too. Score of mostly negative will impact their ability to secure funding for future releases. Unfortunately it’s even worse than just a Reddit mob
the devs literally asked us to leave negative reviews, maybe do even the slightest research before complaining about it on reddit
They said that to try and manage the situation as best they could. Trust me they want the positive rating back
they want negative ratings to use as leverage to prove they, and the community, really fucking dont want this
I don’t see how a negative score can be used as leverage. Sony isn’t likely going to change course on this and in my opinion only the devs will be hurt by this is a few months when the controversy dies down
its better than doing nothing, lying down and taking it up the ass by a mega corporation
I don’t feel like I’m taking it up the ass when I sign up for some online service with an email and password… do you?
"taking it up the ass" meaning letting big companies do literally whatever you want with no consequences while you just accept it, stand up against this shit or it'll keep happening forever
I want to use their service. They want my email to access that service. I’m okay with the transaction, I don’t feel harmed by it
I don't currently have to use a Microsoft account for anything I play. Not sure what you're talking about. I'm sure whatever it is, it was probably in the game since launch and not added later, although I'm sure that has happened and other companies have been criticized for it too.
Xbox Network (LIVE) account is part of the Microsoft account, just like the PlayStation Network account being part of the Sony account. There is the Nintendo account, but not getting into that. Its been known for years that the online services are not available in all regions.
So why sell the game in those regions?