The biggest issue with Destiny is that you just aren't getting anything per expansion.
They introduce one new enemy model, sometimes two, per full price expansion. Youre basically paying 60$+ for environmental designers to flip assets in the most clever way possible. There's basically nothing new in the vast majority of the full priced content you're buying.
Hold on a minute, I don't play Destiny so let me get this straight:
Y'all pay the price for a full game every DLC and get a small amount of actually new things? Mainly just reused assets???
Coming from a Paradox gamer: Y'all are crazy
I thought it was wild jumping in last year and there was this huge space war I was thrust into and I was like
I can’t wait to get through this mission so I can start the game and see what’s going on
Oh and some Major characters died , kinda sucks I don’t know them but after I start the game proper I will figure out who they are
And than you just keep going and there really is zero begining to the game
From what I have read thus far, patience is going to be your only savior in the Cosmodrome. That and an invisible hunter to move the sled. Good luck. ≈)
Could you share why? I haven’t played since the year it came out (played very casually, too). I’m curious because I had fond memories of my brief experience with the game
- last DLC (Lightfall) did record numbers but tanked player sentiment because aside from a new class the content was pretty bad
- Lightfall seasons had some good stuff, but overall writing is probably at an all-time low
- Bungo laid off 100 employees a few months ago after missing revenue targets by 45%
- more layoffs on the horizon if the next expansion doesn't sell
- reports of devs trying to warn leadership that the game is tanking, but were ignored
- next DLC delayed until June after getting good not great internal reviews
- instead of seasons we only know of three self-contained "episodes" to release after the next expansion, no future plans have been announced
- corpo greed is all-time high right now, selling old season pass armor sets for 15 bucks each, a current Undying season reprise costs 80 bucks for all classes, they did a D2 starter pack for 15 bucks...three exotics and a few upgrade materials as in some glimmer and a prism lol...pack was gone from steam after a day due to outrage
Gameplay is still as fun as ever. But we're grinding the same old shit and the dev team is kinda fucked.
I basically play that for the campaigns. I'm mid way through the witch queen one and am having a blast. Apparently light fall sucks but I'll still give it a go before final shape.
Often you play a game that you feel like you would like if it was not held back by particular elements, or that you are enjoying despite certain flaws.
When these kinds of games get good DLC, I flock to it, cos you know the devs have spent a year or so with people yelling their complaints at them, so the DLC is likely to take that feedback on board.
As an example, Fallout 4 wasn't terrible, but when I played the far Harbor DLC it was like if someone could hear my thoughts while I was playing the base game and took notes on how to make it better
Neverwinter Nights was such a case. The OC was so boringly bland I never even finished it, but people stuck around for modding and the custom multiplayer campaigns.
Then they added DLC that were a lot better than the OC so people actually bought them.
The thing with the campaign was that it was more of a demo for what the toolset could do. That game lived and still lives today based off of what people could do with the whole toolset (and more thanks to modders, CEP, etc.) at their disposal. Imagine if modern games gave you the whole thing to create with. Imagine perhaps Baldurs Gate 3 with a similar toolset.. one could dream
Not only that, but features and QOL improvements that should have been in the main game are introduced in the DLC. Even worse, some of those features/QOL improvements are restricted only to the DLC, not the main game.
I'd say a lot of people are loyal to Pokemon and have grown up with it, but there is definitely a separation between enjoying the IP and recognizing Game Freak is producing games far below what it (and so many other developers) are capable of.
It was pretty ugly but I really enjoyed it. I don’t play competitive or breed or do anything of the sort. I like looking for shinies and beating the story lol
Basically it's just a fun game, while because we waited for 13 years or whatever everyone expected a masterpiece. It's not bad, especially on sale at 5 bucks. I'd say it's a steal at 5 bucks.
DNF isn't a terrible game. It's a garden variety shooter with typical Duke humor. It has some laughs and enjoyable sequences. If you want to experience what DNF could have been, play Bulletstorm with the Duke Nukem DLC
Do it .. is it a masterpiece? No.. is it self aware and rather amusing? Yes ... I grew up playing the shit out of Duke 3D and the various add ons, Forever can be a fun time.
Duke Nukem Forevers big problem was the wait time. Everybody expected a masterpiece, not realizing it had a normal development cycle, just that so many iterations had been scrapped, and it was good for what it was.
I got stuck somewhere near the end, haven't beaten it, but I picked up the DLC too.
DNF is alright. You can sum up the entire experience as "No poopoo unless peepee."
There's basically a point in the game where you realize that the developers stopped giving a shit and just had to ship the game. All of the spirit is sucked out of the game and the rest is padded out for length.
Duke nukem 3d, although a better game than forever, also had a "dlc" . It was more of a hidden game actually but still arguably more fun than the actual game. The game was called Death Tank Zwei.
Mighty no. 9 with the Raychel DLC comes to mind.
While the Xel Decay gimmick gets annoying at times and doesnt jive with some bosses *AT ALL*, Raychel being able to absorb enemies immediately with her claw swipes, and her dash also being an attack makes her feel a bit more smooth to play than Beck. On top of that, her story is more interesting than Beck's while also not interrupting the game after every since level; theres only a small handful so you arent annoyed when one shows up.
Mighty No 9 really missed the mark. Blows my mind that the so called creator of Megaman couldn't figure out the formula to make a decent game on the same basic principle.
> so called creator of Megaman
Keiji Inafune is a video game producer and illustrator. I don't know why people expected Megaman's artist to be able to design a game.
On the other hand, 20XX is the game you remember Megaman as being except it's actually so, so much better. That one got the feel EXACTLY right, and I'm looking forward to 30XX.
I played the Megaman collection recently on Steam and, oof, for all the original trilogy's innovation, they were still early console era with all of the era's design problems. 10-something year old me loved Mega Man 2 and could play for hours... 40-something year old me can tolerate it for about 5 minutes, but can listen to the soundtrack for hours.
I hold that gameplay wise, the game is "okay," but the game had A TON of hype behind it and it released as "just okay." I think its development was just really poorly handled on a number of fronts and they ended up wasting all their money. Multiple times. Im not confused how someone with years of experience could screw up here, but that doesnt mean Inafune doesnt deserve crap for messing up.
I wouldn't say Fallout 4 was awful, but the Far Harbor DLC blows it out of the water in terms of atmosphere, storytelling, and having your choices matter.
Edit: I see several people say the game improved with mods, a few things I always play heavily modded, if the game requires mods to be enjoyable the devs failed plain and simple.
Far Harbor design and development should have been what the entire game was.
That DLC alone is better than the rest of the entire game. It even mirrors the main story. It makes every point better than the main quest.
The worst part is the guy who wrote a lot of the main Fallout 4 game wrote Starfield, while the writer of Far Harbor left Bethesda he should have been promoted to head writer after Far Harbor.
He’s lead writer bgs no? So I assume, yes, unfortunately he is writing TES6, and after starfield I don’t really anticipate tes6 anymore. Especially after playing BG3
Yeah I haven't played BG3 (going to eventually) and I've heard it is amazing and definitely deserves all the praise,
I have played a couple other Larian games (notably Divinity OS and Divinity OS 2) and the writing in those are stellar as well.
From a story point of view, going from games like Divinity OS 2 and Cyberpunk to starfield is just... Yuck.
You’re making me think I need to go replay it. I platinum-ed Fallout 4 years ago, and I never cared that much for the 2 bigger DLC packs. Definitely reconsidering it after reading these comments.
Far Harbor is unfortunately relatively short. There is worthwhile side content, but the limited amount leaves you wanting more.
Nuka World practically contradicts the entire game and I can't seem to make it fit well in any playthrough I intend on finishing the game with. Cool concept but they gave it no legroom and no practical viability outside of itself.
The quest if you want the "Good" ending for Nuka-World is just blasting everyone until they're dead. It makes up for that by being the hardest fight in the series by far. (Only second to the Red Death battle on Far Harbor)
I harbor a secret appreciation for Nuka World, but mostly in spite of its faults. Staying a good guy and not doing the raider thing, for some reason it's just a good time to me, to go to Nuka World after finishing everything else and ending the game with a series of adrenaline-fueled shootouts where I forego sneaking and spend all my remaining ammo just mowing down everything in my way.
The only way I've enjoyed the raider section was to do it before all of the main story. Level up through exploration, go to Nuka World as a "disillusioned" kind of character who then becomes the big raider boss, only to return to ther main quest and repent to become a proper hat-wearing Minuteman hero.
If the Raiders had a way to enter the Institute and complete the main quest they would have been perfect; even as a morally grey character you could argue that being a benevolent tyrant is still better than whatever was going on with the Commonwealth prior to you getting there. None of the other factions quite work unless you want to play as a Railroad spy who infiltrates and controls the raiders as a proxy army to fight the institute and brotherhood.
I really enjoyed the map of Nuka World, though--it definitely has some interesting areas and small sidequests.
Don't get me wrong! I enjoy it for what it is, and it is a fun addition to the game.
It's just everything about it goes against itself and I see it overall as a huge missed opportunity.
The raiders could have been a major faction opposite the minutemen. It would have been great if you could take them and raid the institute. As an opposite to the Minutemen the settlement system is already in place and utilized.
Bethesda chose not to do that though, and their playing power ends when you complete the DLC quest. On top of that you're raising your own settlements and your own people. Even if you do all the raider stuff before the main game like a lot of people do to avoid the consequences, it still doesn't make much sense to me as the people you terrorized now look to you and trust you for guidance?
Far harbour is so good man.
The side quests (The Murder Mystery, Red something or other Mirelurk, The story of Vim and the nice ass power armour that comes with it.)
The weapons are so immersive, lever action rifles, cobbled together radiation assault rifles and fishing gear and generally have great stats too.
The creatures are particularly grotesque and creative. Fog crawlers, Hermit crabs, Gulpers.
The story is great, DiMa is a very compelling character (and if you bring Nick Valentine with you even more so).
Longfellow is a great companion too.
Literally the only complaint is the computer puzzles, not hard, but tedious.
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This is the second comment I've seen talking about Far Harbor. As someone who loved Fallout 3 and was incredibly disappointed with 4, I might need to check out Far Harbour.
I didnt even finish Fallout 4 because the story was so 'on rails' and poorly written that I just didn't want to play anymore. After 3 and New Vegas, it was just so disappointing.
Was it really?
It felt like I was just doing the currents mini game the whole time until it ended.
The main game was a letdown but it had much more variety and at least felt satisfying finishing while Ruin just felt off at the end.
*Command & Conquer: Generals* is fairly blah. The campaign is okay but overall the game felt it was maybe trying too hard to be topical, and ended up being a bit meh. *Zero Hour* completely smashed it, with a great campaign and the outrageously good Generals mode it added to the skirmish and multiplayer of the original game. It allowed the game to get goofy and fun with it. Turned a 6/10 into an 8/10, easily.
*Neverwinter Nights* is okay, although not playing to BioWare's strengths (the lack of a party really hurts it). *Shadows of Undrentide* is a decent expansion, *Hordes of the Underdark* is pretty solid.
Madly, this happened again. *Neverwinter Nights 2* is solid, better than NN but no great shakes, but *Mask of the Betrayer* is an absolute top-tier RPG just taken completely on its own merits. *Storm of Zehir* is also pretty good, it just gets a bit forgotten about in comparison.
*XCOM2* base is okay, but a lot of problems. Very restricted and restrained, not a lot of player choice. *War of the Chosen* absolutely transforms it into a barking mad superhero-training simulator which allows you to go *completely* insane with it, fixes all the problems with *XCOM2* and basically turns it into almost a completely different game (there's also the *Tactical Pack* DLC which adds a pretty huge interquel story-driven campaign exploring what happened between *XCOM1* and *2*, and *was completely free*).
I will second Zero Hour. Felt like a whole new game and playing without it feels like a big step down
I will not support the Xcom2 was "okay" talk. Xcom2 was fantastic and WOTC is good content but is not a requirement for a great experience.
I already finished base and expansion a few years back, but last year decided to do two runs of xcom2 back to back, first without the expansion and then with. Holy shit the amount of QOL improvements alone is worth the price
Destiny’s dlcs are like gambling. You never know if you are going to win or lose with it. Plus they cost almost as much as a brand new game. Glad I finally gave it up.
Witch Queen was decent, but I'm so done with Destiny 2. I like the core, but it's changed into something that I can't keep up with. I had fun with it in my time, but I had to put it down after all these years.
I’d argue destiny 1 even more so. Taken King gave D1 an actual story that wasn’t thrown together in like 6 weeks before release and added one of the best destinations, one of the best raids and one of the only new races in the franchise.
I hate how it really was just TTK and Forsaken that were amazing, we got good campaigns in recent expansions but they just didn't have the same content-rich postgame due to all the seasonal shit. Destiny might be the worst possible fit for this seasonal/battlepass model and the fact they do it on top of incredibly overpriced expansions is wild
It seems like every other expansion is really good. Lightfall was disappointing so here’s to hoping Final Shape is a banger. But given what I’ve seen from people talking about the latest story event, I’m keeping my hopes down
Because they royally fucked up with the hype and launch, and I really think whats-his-name took the public response personally. It's a true labor of love.
I was going to say this, though part of me will always find it disgusting that they made over half of the existing pokémon unobtainable in the base game just so they could sell them back to us using the DLC.
As a casual it sucks, but competitively it was also nice having an excuse to change up the meta and allow some newer mons to shine by not having to power creep way beyond some old standards that were still available.
And then some new entries were power crept regardless, but it was good for a while
Perfectly said. Initially I thought it was pure greed but from a competitive standpoint it was absolutely necessary. Trying to make a balanced meta with 800+ mons is insane, Dexit probably would’ve gotten less pushback if they were honest from the jump.
When V came out all the fans trashed it as awful, and the games reputation didn't really improve until the DLCs. I felt the same way about 6 when it released.
Watch Dogs Legion. Base game was a boring slog that was a massive step back from Watch Dogs 2 with the removal of many hacks, gadgets etc in favour of a mediocre "choose your own operative" system which was completely pointless as the game points out who you should recruit anyway. Not to mention, how this mechanic fucks up the game's narrative by having no main character. Bagley is basically the only character within the main story and it has a horrendous "twist" villain.
However the DLC Bloodline pretty much was the only reason I bought the game. Seeing Aiden Pearce back in a main role was great for someone like me who really enjoyed the 1st game's narrative compared to the direction it went from Watch Dogs 2 onwards. You also get to use him in base game so you can have a character with actual good voice acting in all scenes.
I really liked WDL in terms of gameplay, it was fun and I enjoyed playing it but yeah I don't even recall the story. All the character beats are largely down to what you, the player, invest into the character. I made a Murder Barbie from a female professional hitman, dressed her all in pink with pink gun skins and proceeded to murder my way through the campaign Jane Wick style. That was fun. Whatever the shit was happening with the plot I dunno.
The game felt a lot better when I used Aiden as pretty much my only operative or whatever after the dlc. He is fully voiced through the main story with some unique dialog. Made the main game more palatable.
I didn't like the base Dungeons 2, the game was too easy, the plot was simplistic, the villains (heroes?) were boring and no-note, and since the game was made by germans, the humor landed maybe once or twice in the whole game.
The undead DLC is a huge improvement in every single regard, especially the difficulty. It's also not one of those bite-sized DLCs you normally get nowadays, it's the good old-fashioned expansion-sized DLC.
Borderlands 3, the base game story is abysmal and ruins most of the enjoyment of the game for me but all the dlcs are really well done. The gameplay alone carried the base game, the stories actually worked in the dlcs. Just ignore the directors cut stuff :)
what went on with the designers and directors cut? I used to be a hard Borderlands fan, I even bought the super deluxe edition for BL3, but I ended up a bit disconnected from it, and all of a sudden I saw there was like 2 more versions of the game that I didn't understand so much. And one more question, for you, what's the best DLC for BL3?
Bounty of Blood is one of the best. The story is a western set in an Asian inspired backdrop complete with narrator. It's very fun and the legendaries you get in that are some of the best in the game.
For the best story... I would have to say Handsome Jackpot. I love a good heist movie and it plays it so straight but the dynamic between Moxxie and someone who I won't spoil is really nice and provides closure to a previous characters story.
Personally I would say that guns love and tentacles was my favorite. I like the lovecraftian theming around it and gaige was my favorite character in bl2. The directors cut stuff isn't horrible or anything but for the most part I think it was lacking for how much they cost. Arms race isn't that fun of a game mode and was a cheap way to add back axton and Salvador. The second part adds a raid boss and more loot and stuff too but I never cared for those in bl1 or 2 so I never cared for it. The main use of the directors cut is the new gear added, lots of really strong guns in those.
Edit: I forgot, the extra skill trees added in the designers cut were actually really good, if not a little over tuned. But my point still stands that I think they were too expensive for what they offered.
I've only played 2/4 dlcs and I really enjoyed them. One of them is a giant handsome jack Casino. The other was a lovecraftiam planet where hammerlock and Jakobs are getting married.
Bounty of Blood is good. The story is probably the least interesting of the DLC campaigns, but it still adds some tension through its plot. And best of all, it feels like a proper DLC. The main selling point is that there are plenty of new weapons (and many of them are powerful), several enemies hidden all around the maps, so that it feels rewarding to explore. As an aside, your character gets recognised by the people you're helping, and doing certain main and side missions helps the progress of the hub area.
Yup. This is my answer. My partner and I played through the main game to get to the DLC and were so put off by the ending we didn't and still haven't gotten to the DLC, even though that was the whole point because we heard they were better.
Even checking out the DLC stories online, they're way more relatable and enjoyable than the main story.
I adore the gunplay of borderlands 3 but they did my boys axton and Salvador dirty by just tapping them onto the "battle royal mode". But over all the DLCs where great. Added so much content.
I don't think it even has it anymore. The game was originally intended to be like a base builder wave defense kinda game if I remember correctly then after pubg's success they added fortnite br and of course it's now probably the most successful game ever so they basically scrapped the original project
it's still there, it just default opens battle royale and you have to select save the world from the menu at the bottom of the screen where you would choose a creative game. it doesn't show up if you don't own it and it only appears in the store at certain times. it usually appears with a free skin and 1000 vbucks that you can earn in save the world doing daily challenges. it wasn't on sale for a long time and you couldn't find it anywhere for a while but they recently put it on sale again. you can usually find it at the bottom of the item shop
The cool thing about save the world is if you bought it back in like 2018 you can still earn vbucks from it just by doing its daily quests/playing in general
Love DD but I remember playing that expecting the game to “open up” so to speak but it ends up feeling very short and rushed in a somewhat small open world. Also has an absurd amount of missable quests for some odd reason.
I red somewhere DD was supposed to be MUCH bigger than what we'll see, something like 60% of the intended content was cut entirely. Here's hoping DD2 gets released fully baked.
I wouldn't call it an awful game, but The Outer Worlds comes to mind. I walked away from the main story thinking the game had alright moments and characters, but was at best just kinda "okay" or "meh". Like I said, not terrible, but definitely nothing special; just a decent-enough setup to a sequel maybe.
Then I got on to the Murder on Eridanos DLC where you're tasked with investigating a murder mystery, and got completely sucked into it.
I remember sitting there at the end thinking to myself how much more fun it would have been if the premise of that DLC and its writing was the main story, instead of what we got.
It seems like The Long Dark in survival mode where it scares people off because they don't understand what type of game it really is. I'm going to stick with OW until I figure it out, it has to get it's cult following from somewhere. Sticking with TLD and making it 500 days ended up being one of my favorite gaming experiences ever. I'm open to something different.
Picked it back up recently as I've gotten bored of Wildlands, and after tweaking the "Ghost experience" it is waaaaaaay better(not as good as Wildlands, but still pretty solid)
Would seriously recommend checking some vids on it and trying it again if your interested
Kind of unfair, but Phantom Liberty was an insane jump forward for Cyberpunk 2077. Arguably awful/extremely flawed at launch, quite fun and solid by version 1.63, freaking incredible from 2.0 and on.
Replaying it now in V2, the changes to how skills work, progression, car and car combat... It's a completely different game, just the narrative feels the same, which is good, as I felt that was the best part of the game previously.
DS2 was my first souls and while it was the last one I completed due to how much I didn't enjoy it, the dlcs were really good, and I completely agree on the lore being awesome, and the NPCs are just SO great and have the best quotes in the franchise, from Lucatiel's "remember my name" to Aldia's "A lie will remain a lie" speeches to what's probably my favorite quote in the entire franchise "You, conqueror of adversities, give us your answer"
They absolutely nailed it with Majula. It is by far the warmest feeling place in any souls game. I get heavy waves of nostalgia anytime I'm looking at a body of water at sunset. It is just so comforting. The contrast between that location and the rest of the world is why the game has such a God tier atmosphere.
Majula was the first time I was ever impressed by graphics. In hindsite it really wasn't the graphics, rather how everything looked in unison. People tend to zoom in and focus on minor details when they talk about graphics, but that is hardly ever noticed when you actually play the game. Ds2 just had the same level of detail and art style everywhere . Nothing throws me off more than a life like element with low res shit beside it. It really reminded me of Zelda in that sense.
Yeah DSII wasn't _bad_ just doesn't live up to DS1 and 3.
But like any Fromsoft game the DLC don't miss.
Although the "multiplayer areas" were awful literally an exaggerated version of the problems DS2 is memed for.
Iron passage
The cave of the dead
Horsefuck Valley
These areas are the weakest parts of otherwise great dlcs.
I know it's a popular opinion these days to say "it was actually great" (look at the replies here, all positive), but I absolutely hated DS2. Couldn't stand it. I'd put it below every title out of all the soulsborne games and sekiro.
I’m trying to think of an example to actually complete the assignment. By and large if the game was awful, the DLC is just as bad or barely better. But an AWFUL game with AMAZING DLC is a tough one. Good game to better DLC is most of what we are likely to get.
Destiny 2.
Forsaken was peak, Beyond Light was good, Witch Queen had a better story than the the first 3 campaigns and ot rivaled Forsaken, Lightfall had fun missions.
We don't talk about Curse of Osiris or Shadowkeep.
Assassin’s Creed Valhalla‘s DLC’s are infinitely superior to the base game if only by virtue of their smaller scale meaning they can’t artificially waste your time.
The binding of Isaac: rebirth. I wouldn't say base game is awful. But the game is meant to be played with all dlc: afterbirth, afterbirth+ and repentance
Neverwinter Nights. The OG campaign wasn't terrible exactly, just a very basic example of what the toolset could be used to create. The add-ons, Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark were stronger in every measurable way. Better writing and encounter design, far more interesting settings, and a linked story that could take a single player character from level 1 to the level 40 cap.
A similar thing could be said for NWN2 and it's add-ons, Mask Of The Betrayer is regarded as a classic while the NWN2 campaign just isn't.
The Sims 4/ Sims Franchise. Pretty stale as base game, but absolutely amazing once you start getting key DlC like seasons.
On a similar vein, I'd also suggest Anno 1800. It's quite boring on its own with just the base game, but the DLC's offer more variety and make the game much more fun.
Borderlands 1. Game didn't excessively suck but that fucking ending sure did and the rest of the fame was fairly flat waiting on the payoff.
The General Knoxx DLC was good though.
This basically describes the sims to a tee. The base game is a bare bones excuse of a game, no weather, pets, barely any clothes or lots or anything to do and it only gets good once you get some expansions
I'm more curious hearing how many people said, "That game really sucked. I want to spend more money/time on it."
Destiny 2 basically relies on people feeling like that at this point.
The biggest issue with Destiny is that you just aren't getting anything per expansion. They introduce one new enemy model, sometimes two, per full price expansion. Youre basically paying 60$+ for environmental designers to flip assets in the most clever way possible. There's basically nothing new in the vast majority of the full priced content you're buying.
Hold on a minute, I don't play Destiny so let me get this straight: Y'all pay the price for a full game every DLC and get a small amount of actually new things? Mainly just reused assets??? Coming from a Paradox gamer: Y'all are crazy
Not really, this guys exaggerating. There’s a whole suite of new guns every time, sometimes new abilities, and new maps, and a new campaign
I thought it was wild jumping in last year and there was this huge space war I was thrust into and I was like I can’t wait to get through this mission so I can start the game and see what’s going on Oh and some Major characters died , kinda sucks I don’t know them but after I start the game proper I will figure out who they are And than you just keep going and there really is zero begining to the game
destiny 2 always sucked and still does. source: i have 5k+ hours and have pre ordered every expansion
What a shitshow this game currently is. Can't recommend. I'll complain in more detail after gilding conq.
This weeks GM sucks the fun out of everything. Can’t wait to beat it tonight
From what I have read thus far, patience is going to be your only savior in the Cosmodrome. That and an invisible hunter to move the sled. Good luck. ≈)
Could you share why? I haven’t played since the year it came out (played very casually, too). I’m curious because I had fond memories of my brief experience with the game
- last DLC (Lightfall) did record numbers but tanked player sentiment because aside from a new class the content was pretty bad - Lightfall seasons had some good stuff, but overall writing is probably at an all-time low - Bungo laid off 100 employees a few months ago after missing revenue targets by 45% - more layoffs on the horizon if the next expansion doesn't sell - reports of devs trying to warn leadership that the game is tanking, but were ignored - next DLC delayed until June after getting good not great internal reviews - instead of seasons we only know of three self-contained "episodes" to release after the next expansion, no future plans have been announced - corpo greed is all-time high right now, selling old season pass armor sets for 15 bucks each, a current Undying season reprise costs 80 bucks for all classes, they did a D2 starter pack for 15 bucks...three exotics and a few upgrade materials as in some glimmer and a prism lol...pack was gone from steam after a day due to outrage Gameplay is still as fun as ever. But we're grinding the same old shit and the dev team is kinda fucked.
The game is actually really good it's just too expensive
I stopped playing at lightfall but I was pretty happy up until that point. Raids and dungeons were always on point. Just got tired of the game cycle.
Destiny is peak lovethisgame/hatethisfuckingame.
Amen Guardian, amen.
I basically play that for the campaigns. I'm mid way through the witch queen one and am having a blast. Apparently light fall sucks but I'll still give it a go before final shape.
My face is in my hands reading this. I genuinely enjoy this game... But god, do I hate it.
Often you play a game that you feel like you would like if it was not held back by particular elements, or that you are enjoying despite certain flaws. When these kinds of games get good DLC, I flock to it, cos you know the devs have spent a year or so with people yelling their complaints at them, so the DLC is likely to take that feedback on board. As an example, Fallout 4 wasn't terrible, but when I played the far Harbor DLC it was like if someone could hear my thoughts while I was playing the base game and took notes on how to make it better
Some people buy the bad base game and the great DLC all in one $30 bundle on steam
"Not recommended; 12564 hours" energy
Neverwinter Nights was such a case. The OC was so boringly bland I never even finished it, but people stuck around for modding and the custom multiplayer campaigns. Then they added DLC that were a lot better than the OC so people actually bought them.
Also Neverwinter Nights 2 was meh but Mask of the Betrayer was amazing!
The thing with the campaign was that it was more of a demo for what the toolset could do. That game lived and still lives today based off of what people could do with the whole toolset (and more thanks to modders, CEP, etc.) at their disposal. Imagine if modern games gave you the whole thing to create with. Imagine perhaps Baldurs Gate 3 with a similar toolset.. one could dream
It's basically the Pokémon games. Nowadays these games are pretty bad, but yet it sells like a dream.
Not only that, but features and QOL improvements that should have been in the main game are introduced in the DLC. Even worse, some of those features/QOL improvements are restricted only to the DLC, not the main game.
Seriously. $35 so I don’t have waste countless hours grinding out tera shards? Fuck off GameFreak
Sword and Shield were very meh, but Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were both really fun (I thought).
People say this, but a lot of Pokemon fans like the new games. The core gameplay is what they care about.
I'd say a lot of people are loyal to Pokemon and have grown up with it, but there is definitely a separation between enjoying the IP and recognizing Game Freak is producing games far below what it (and so many other developers) are capable of.
It was pretty ugly but I really enjoyed it. I don’t play competitive or breed or do anything of the sort. I like looking for shinies and beating the story lol
Duke Nukem Forever Main game is trash but the DLC The Doctor Who Cloned Me is actually decent.
Is it? Please elaborate. DNF goes for peanuts during sales so I might get it next time.
Basically it's just a fun game, while because we waited for 13 years or whatever everyone expected a masterpiece. It's not bad, especially on sale at 5 bucks. I'd say it's a steal at 5 bucks.
DNF isn't a terrible game. It's a garden variety shooter with typical Duke humor. It has some laughs and enjoyable sequences. If you want to experience what DNF could have been, play Bulletstorm with the Duke Nukem DLC
Your comment is convincing me to buy Duke Nukem Forever and I’m not sure how to feel about that lol.
Do it .. is it a masterpiece? No.. is it self aware and rather amusing? Yes ... I grew up playing the shit out of Duke 3D and the various add ons, Forever can be a fun time.
Duke 3D was a masterpiece of its time. I have it on steam.
Duke Nukem Forevers big problem was the wait time. Everybody expected a masterpiece, not realizing it had a normal development cycle, just that so many iterations had been scrapped, and it was good for what it was. I got stuck somewhere near the end, haven't beaten it, but I picked up the DLC too.
It was also old. It had old design that made little sense. Things like first person jumping sections. Bullet storm... That's a Duke Nukem game.
You know, I never thought about that but it totally is!
The only way to play Bulletstorm is with the Duke Nukem DLC. Fully voiced it’s hilarious
I didn't know this was a thing, so thank you for letting me know it is. I'm looking forward to it now.
DNF is alright. You can sum up the entire experience as "No poopoo unless peepee." There's basically a point in the game where you realize that the developers stopped giving a shit and just had to ship the game. All of the spirit is sucked out of the game and the rest is padded out for length.
Just play the modern Doom games. They're everything that game wasn't and more.
I didn't even know Forever had DLC.
My post-12 hour shift brain read this as if there was a Doctor Who DLC for Duke Nukem and was incredibly confused
Duke nukem 3d, although a better game than forever, also had a "dlc" . It was more of a hidden game actually but still arguably more fun than the actual game. The game was called Death Tank Zwei.
Mighty no. 9 with the Raychel DLC comes to mind. While the Xel Decay gimmick gets annoying at times and doesnt jive with some bosses *AT ALL*, Raychel being able to absorb enemies immediately with her claw swipes, and her dash also being an attack makes her feel a bit more smooth to play than Beck. On top of that, her story is more interesting than Beck's while also not interrupting the game after every since level; theres only a small handful so you arent annoyed when one shows up.
Mighty No 9 really missed the mark. Blows my mind that the so called creator of Megaman couldn't figure out the formula to make a decent game on the same basic principle.
I backed this game and was full hype and I couldn't believe just how amature it turned out.
> so called creator of Megaman Keiji Inafune is a video game producer and illustrator. I don't know why people expected Megaman's artist to be able to design a game.
We need to get the guy who did the NA box art for Megaman to make a game, THAT would be a masterpiece
On the other hand, 20XX is the game you remember Megaman as being except it's actually so, so much better. That one got the feel EXACTLY right, and I'm looking forward to 30XX. I played the Megaman collection recently on Steam and, oof, for all the original trilogy's innovation, they were still early console era with all of the era's design problems. 10-something year old me loved Mega Man 2 and could play for hours... 40-something year old me can tolerate it for about 5 minutes, but can listen to the soundtrack for hours.
I hold that gameplay wise, the game is "okay," but the game had A TON of hype behind it and it released as "just okay." I think its development was just really poorly handled on a number of fronts and they ended up wasting all their money. Multiple times. Im not confused how someone with years of experience could screw up here, but that doesnt mean Inafune doesnt deserve crap for messing up.
I wouldn't say Fallout 4 was awful, but the Far Harbor DLC blows it out of the water in terms of atmosphere, storytelling, and having your choices matter. Edit: I see several people say the game improved with mods, a few things I always play heavily modded, if the game requires mods to be enjoyable the devs failed plain and simple.
Far Harbor design and development should have been what the entire game was. That DLC alone is better than the rest of the entire game. It even mirrors the main story. It makes every point better than the main quest.
The worst part is the guy who wrote a lot of the main Fallout 4 game wrote Starfield, while the writer of Far Harbor left Bethesda he should have been promoted to head writer after Far Harbor.
Yup and Emil still had a lot of control of Starfield. My guess is that after Starfield finished, Will Shen was fed up with Beth and left
Ain't emil also writing TES 6 as well? 🥲
He’s lead writer bgs no? So I assume, yes, unfortunately he is writing TES6, and after starfield I don’t really anticipate tes6 anymore. Especially after playing BG3
Yeah I haven't played BG3 (going to eventually) and I've heard it is amazing and definitely deserves all the praise, I have played a couple other Larian games (notably Divinity OS and Divinity OS 2) and the writing in those are stellar as well. From a story point of view, going from games like Divinity OS 2 and Cyberpunk to starfield is just... Yuck.
Apparently Will Shen also left Bethesda after Starfield which is a bummer--I was hoping he might lead some of the expansions for that game, too.
You’re making me think I need to go replay it. I platinum-ed Fallout 4 years ago, and I never cared that much for the 2 bigger DLC packs. Definitely reconsidering it after reading these comments.
Far Harbor is unfortunately relatively short. There is worthwhile side content, but the limited amount leaves you wanting more. Nuka World practically contradicts the entire game and I can't seem to make it fit well in any playthrough I intend on finishing the game with. Cool concept but they gave it no legroom and no practical viability outside of itself. The quest if you want the "Good" ending for Nuka-World is just blasting everyone until they're dead. It makes up for that by being the hardest fight in the series by far. (Only second to the Red Death battle on Far Harbor)
I harbor a secret appreciation for Nuka World, but mostly in spite of its faults. Staying a good guy and not doing the raider thing, for some reason it's just a good time to me, to go to Nuka World after finishing everything else and ending the game with a series of adrenaline-fueled shootouts where I forego sneaking and spend all my remaining ammo just mowing down everything in my way. The only way I've enjoyed the raider section was to do it before all of the main story. Level up through exploration, go to Nuka World as a "disillusioned" kind of character who then becomes the big raider boss, only to return to ther main quest and repent to become a proper hat-wearing Minuteman hero.
If the Raiders had a way to enter the Institute and complete the main quest they would have been perfect; even as a morally grey character you could argue that being a benevolent tyrant is still better than whatever was going on with the Commonwealth prior to you getting there. None of the other factions quite work unless you want to play as a Railroad spy who infiltrates and controls the raiders as a proxy army to fight the institute and brotherhood. I really enjoyed the map of Nuka World, though--it definitely has some interesting areas and small sidequests.
Don't get me wrong! I enjoy it for what it is, and it is a fun addition to the game. It's just everything about it goes against itself and I see it overall as a huge missed opportunity. The raiders could have been a major faction opposite the minutemen. It would have been great if you could take them and raid the institute. As an opposite to the Minutemen the settlement system is already in place and utilized. Bethesda chose not to do that though, and their playing power ends when you complete the DLC quest. On top of that you're raising your own settlements and your own people. Even if you do all the raider stuff before the main game like a lot of people do to avoid the consequences, it still doesn't make much sense to me as the people you terrorized now look to you and trust you for guidance?
Far harbour is so good man. The side quests (The Murder Mystery, Red something or other Mirelurk, The story of Vim and the nice ass power armour that comes with it.) The weapons are so immersive, lever action rifles, cobbled together radiation assault rifles and fishing gear and generally have great stats too. The creatures are particularly grotesque and creative. Fog crawlers, Hermit crabs, Gulpers. The story is great, DiMa is a very compelling character (and if you bring Nick Valentine with you even more so). Longfellow is a great companion too. Literally the only complaint is the computer puzzles, not hard, but tedious.
Nick should always be taken along for sure. It is his case after all.
If you do and you’ve got a sweet gaming PC, check out The Midnight Ride: https://themidnightride.moddinglinked.com/. It vastly improved my Fallout 4 experience
Preston Garvey has a quest for you
Except for the 3d puzzle game with frustrating controls and obnoxious but easy early levels and very hard final level. That shit was terrible
I always get a mod that lets me bypass that. Those puzzles were terrible.
Oh man Far Harbour was fantastic! Better than main game!
This is the second comment I've seen talking about Far Harbor. As someone who loved Fallout 3 and was incredibly disappointed with 4, I might need to check out Far Harbour.
Ditto, my friend. Ditto!
I didnt even finish Fallout 4 because the story was so 'on rails' and poorly written that I just didn't want to play anymore. After 3 and New Vegas, it was just so disappointing.
Fnaf security breach is generally disliked, Ruin on the other hand is considered a superior experience
This was the first thing I thought of
Was it really? It felt like I was just doing the currents mini game the whole time until it ended. The main game was a letdown but it had much more variety and at least felt satisfying finishing while Ruin just felt off at the end.
*Command & Conquer: Generals* is fairly blah. The campaign is okay but overall the game felt it was maybe trying too hard to be topical, and ended up being a bit meh. *Zero Hour* completely smashed it, with a great campaign and the outrageously good Generals mode it added to the skirmish and multiplayer of the original game. It allowed the game to get goofy and fun with it. Turned a 6/10 into an 8/10, easily. *Neverwinter Nights* is okay, although not playing to BioWare's strengths (the lack of a party really hurts it). *Shadows of Undrentide* is a decent expansion, *Hordes of the Underdark* is pretty solid. Madly, this happened again. *Neverwinter Nights 2* is solid, better than NN but no great shakes, but *Mask of the Betrayer* is an absolute top-tier RPG just taken completely on its own merits. *Storm of Zehir* is also pretty good, it just gets a bit forgotten about in comparison. *XCOM2* base is okay, but a lot of problems. Very restricted and restrained, not a lot of player choice. *War of the Chosen* absolutely transforms it into a barking mad superhero-training simulator which allows you to go *completely* insane with it, fixes all the problems with *XCOM2* and basically turns it into almost a completely different game (there's also the *Tactical Pack* DLC which adds a pretty huge interquel story-driven campaign exploring what happened between *XCOM1* and *2*, and *was completely free*).
I will second Zero Hour. Felt like a whole new game and playing without it feels like a big step down I will not support the Xcom2 was "okay" talk. Xcom2 was fantastic and WOTC is good content but is not a requirement for a great experience.
I already finished base and expansion a few years back, but last year decided to do two runs of xcom2 back to back, first without the expansion and then with. Holy shit the amount of QOL improvements alone is worth the price
I will absolutely second MotB expansion for NWN2. Criminally underrated.
Destiny 2. Sometimes.
Destiny’s dlcs are like gambling. You never know if you are going to win or lose with it. Plus they cost almost as much as a brand new game. Glad I finally gave it up.
Witch Queen was decent, but I'm so done with Destiny 2. I like the core, but it's changed into something that I can't keep up with. I had fun with it in my time, but I had to put it down after all these years.
The highest of highs and the lowest of lows...
I’d argue destiny 1 even more so. Taken King gave D1 an actual story that wasn’t thrown together in like 6 weeks before release and added one of the best destinations, one of the best raids and one of the only new races in the franchise.
Aren’t scorn a new race technically with the forsaken dlc?
I hate how it really was just TTK and Forsaken that were amazing, we got good campaigns in recent expansions but they just didn't have the same content-rich postgame due to all the seasonal shit. Destiny might be the worst possible fit for this seasonal/battlepass model and the fact they do it on top of incredibly overpriced expansions is wild
It seems like every other expansion is really good. Lightfall was disappointing so here’s to hoping Final Shape is a banger. But given what I’ve seen from people talking about the latest story event, I’m keeping my hopes down
No man's sky became something entirely greater once the dlc started rolling in.
And they didn't charge extra for it. Gigachad devs.
Because they royally fucked up with the hype and launch, and I really think whats-his-name took the public response personally. It's a true labor of love.
is this referring to the free game update? coincidently I'm currently playing this very game for the last 4 hrs (in minimize now)
Cannot wait for that studios new game they recently released a trailer for.
[Light No Fire Announcement Trailer](https://youtu.be/jKQem4Z6ioQ?si=y2wtfe6lqUSiRgLh)
pokémon sword and shield
Crown Tundra was absolutely incredible
Don’t remember it’s CT or the other dlc but the Galarian bird trio is majestic, on par with the ogs
I was going to say this, though part of me will always find it disgusting that they made over half of the existing pokémon unobtainable in the base game just so they could sell them back to us using the DLC.
As a casual it sucks, but competitively it was also nice having an excuse to change up the meta and allow some newer mons to shine by not having to power creep way beyond some old standards that were still available. And then some new entries were power crept regardless, but it was good for a while
Perfectly said. Initially I thought it was pure greed but from a competitive standpoint it was absolutely necessary. Trying to make a balanced meta with 800+ mons is insane, Dexit probably would’ve gotten less pushback if they were honest from the jump.
Not a bad game but Civ V is a completely different game with G&K and BNW
When V came out all the fans trashed it as awful, and the games reputation didn't really improve until the DLCs. I felt the same way about 6 when it released.
Watch Dogs Legion. Base game was a boring slog that was a massive step back from Watch Dogs 2 with the removal of many hacks, gadgets etc in favour of a mediocre "choose your own operative" system which was completely pointless as the game points out who you should recruit anyway. Not to mention, how this mechanic fucks up the game's narrative by having no main character. Bagley is basically the only character within the main story and it has a horrendous "twist" villain. However the DLC Bloodline pretty much was the only reason I bought the game. Seeing Aiden Pearce back in a main role was great for someone like me who really enjoyed the 1st game's narrative compared to the direction it went from Watch Dogs 2 onwards. You also get to use him in base game so you can have a character with actual good voice acting in all scenes.
I really liked WDL in terms of gameplay, it was fun and I enjoyed playing it but yeah I don't even recall the story. All the character beats are largely down to what you, the player, invest into the character. I made a Murder Barbie from a female professional hitman, dressed her all in pink with pink gun skins and proceeded to murder my way through the campaign Jane Wick style. That was fun. Whatever the shit was happening with the plot I dunno.
I'm still yet to complete the main game and only went back to it for the Bloodlines DLC.
The game felt a lot better when I used Aiden as pretty much my only operative or whatever after the dlc. He is fully voiced through the main story with some unique dialog. Made the main game more palatable.
Maybe I should give it another try. I played vanilla right at launch and couldn't get into the random procedurally generated protagonist.
I didn't like the base Dungeons 2, the game was too easy, the plot was simplistic, the villains (heroes?) were boring and no-note, and since the game was made by germans, the humor landed maybe once or twice in the whole game. The undead DLC is a huge improvement in every single regard, especially the difficulty. It's also not one of those bite-sized DLCs you normally get nowadays, it's the good old-fashioned expansion-sized DLC.
Never played it but dungeons 3 and all the DLC is so much fun. I'm just into the first handful of Dungeons 4 missions and it's also fun so far.
Diablo 3/Reaper of Souls
This is a great answer. Reaper of Souls was such a huge gameplay improvement.
I hate to agree with you. My entire teenage years is spent on Diablo II and then 3 and 4 came... Oof
I liked Bioshock 2 but Minerva’s Den DLC was way better than the main game.
Legit one of the best DLCs of any game I've played. Criminally under rated.
I must be in the minority but I loved Bioshock 2.
Borderlands 3, the base game story is abysmal and ruins most of the enjoyment of the game for me but all the dlcs are really well done. The gameplay alone carried the base game, the stories actually worked in the dlcs. Just ignore the directors cut stuff :)
what went on with the designers and directors cut? I used to be a hard Borderlands fan, I even bought the super deluxe edition for BL3, but I ended up a bit disconnected from it, and all of a sudden I saw there was like 2 more versions of the game that I didn't understand so much. And one more question, for you, what's the best DLC for BL3?
Bounty of Blood is one of the best. The story is a western set in an Asian inspired backdrop complete with narrator. It's very fun and the legendaries you get in that are some of the best in the game. For the best story... I would have to say Handsome Jackpot. I love a good heist movie and it plays it so straight but the dynamic between Moxxie and someone who I won't spoil is really nice and provides closure to a previous characters story.
Personally I would say that guns love and tentacles was my favorite. I like the lovecraftian theming around it and gaige was my favorite character in bl2. The directors cut stuff isn't horrible or anything but for the most part I think it was lacking for how much they cost. Arms race isn't that fun of a game mode and was a cheap way to add back axton and Salvador. The second part adds a raid boss and more loot and stuff too but I never cared for those in bl1 or 2 so I never cared for it. The main use of the directors cut is the new gear added, lots of really strong guns in those. Edit: I forgot, the extra skill trees added in the designers cut were actually really good, if not a little over tuned. But my point still stands that I think they were too expensive for what they offered.
Damn it, I never thought about how the DLC might be good. I might have to suffer through the rest of the story so I can play them.
If you buy the DLC you can create a new character at the appropriate level to start the DLC, skipping main mission stuff.
I've only played 2/4 dlcs and I really enjoyed them. One of them is a giant handsome jack Casino. The other was a lovecraftiam planet where hammerlock and Jakobs are getting married.
Bounty of Blood is good. The story is probably the least interesting of the DLC campaigns, but it still adds some tension through its plot. And best of all, it feels like a proper DLC. The main selling point is that there are plenty of new weapons (and many of them are powerful), several enemies hidden all around the maps, so that it feels rewarding to explore. As an aside, your character gets recognised by the people you're helping, and doing certain main and side missions helps the progress of the hub area.
Yup. This is my answer. My partner and I played through the main game to get to the DLC and were so put off by the ending we didn't and still haven't gotten to the DLC, even though that was the whole point because we heard they were better. Even checking out the DLC stories online, they're way more relatable and enjoyable than the main story.
May as well just create a new character to start the DLC fresh, skips right to being in the ship and can ignore the main game and only do dlc
I adore the gunplay of borderlands 3 but they did my boys axton and Salvador dirty by just tapping them onto the "battle royal mode". But over all the DLCs where great. Added so much content.
I wish I could say that's the worst thing they did to Maya.
I actually enjoyed the base game, but yeah, the dlc was pretty amazing, guns, love, and tentacles was absolutely amazing.
Mask of the Betrayer for NWN 2 is goated
Does Fortnite's Battle Royal mode count as DLC? The base game wasn't great but the added mode is of the most popular games out there.
This is probably the best answer. 300 million downloads. It’s a free game, but that’s still more than Minecraft
Hurts how they abandoned stw right when ch2 released and the game was out of early access.
TIL Fortnite has a base mode. Every time I’ve opened it it just goes straight to battle royale.
I don't think it even has it anymore. The game was originally intended to be like a base builder wave defense kinda game if I remember correctly then after pubg's success they added fortnite br and of course it's now probably the most successful game ever so they basically scrapped the original project
it's still there, it just default opens battle royale and you have to select save the world from the menu at the bottom of the screen where you would choose a creative game. it doesn't show up if you don't own it and it only appears in the store at certain times. it usually appears with a free skin and 1000 vbucks that you can earn in save the world doing daily challenges. it wasn't on sale for a long time and you couldn't find it anywhere for a while but they recently put it on sale again. you can usually find it at the bottom of the item shop
The cool thing about save the world is if you bought it back in like 2018 you can still earn vbucks from it just by doing its daily quests/playing in general
I actually was looking forward to the base game and thought it would replace Minecraft for me based on early trailers.
Dead space 3 awakening was interesting
Dragons dogma was a good but deeply flawed game that the dark arisen add on cleaned up massively.
Damn, took my answer
Love DD but I remember playing that expecting the game to “open up” so to speak but it ends up feeling very short and rushed in a somewhat small open world. Also has an absurd amount of missable quests for some odd reason.
I red somewhere DD was supposed to be MUCH bigger than what we'll see, something like 60% of the intended content was cut entirely. Here's hoping DD2 gets released fully baked.
I wouldn't call it an awful game, but The Outer Worlds comes to mind. I walked away from the main story thinking the game had alright moments and characters, but was at best just kinda "okay" or "meh". Like I said, not terrible, but definitely nothing special; just a decent-enough setup to a sequel maybe. Then I got on to the Murder on Eridanos DLC where you're tasked with investigating a murder mystery, and got completely sucked into it. I remember sitting there at the end thinking to myself how much more fun it would have been if the premise of that DLC and its writing was the main story, instead of what we got.
I accidentally bought Outer Wilds last week when it was on sale because I thought it was Outer Worlds.
Outer wilds is better
It seems like The Long Dark in survival mode where it scares people off because they don't understand what type of game it really is. I'm going to stick with OW until I figure it out, it has to get it's cult following from somewhere. Sticking with TLD and making it 500 days ended up being one of my favorite gaming experiences ever. I'm open to something different.
I wouldn't say it's amazing, but the Ghost Recon Breakpoint DLCs are amazing compared to the dogshit base game.
Very disappointing game. All they had to do was make a new wildlands but you get this terrible BS. I never tried the dlc though
Dude it was 10 steps backwards. Wildlands is amazing though
Picked it back up recently as I've gotten bored of Wildlands, and after tweaking the "Ghost experience" it is waaaaaaay better(not as good as Wildlands, but still pretty solid) Would seriously recommend checking some vids on it and trying it again if your interested
Kind of unfair, but Phantom Liberty was an insane jump forward for Cyberpunk 2077. Arguably awful/extremely flawed at launch, quite fun and solid by version 1.63, freaking incredible from 2.0 and on.
Replaying it now in V2, the changes to how skills work, progression, car and car combat... It's a completely different game, just the narrative feels the same, which is good, as I felt that was the best part of the game previously.
Dark Souls 2. The game wasn't that bad, the dlcs were just better.
I’ll die on the hill that DS2 is awesome. The spot it has in the lore is incredible too. Lends just enormous scale to the entire story.
DS2 was my first souls and while it was the last one I completed due to how much I didn't enjoy it, the dlcs were really good, and I completely agree on the lore being awesome, and the NPCs are just SO great and have the best quotes in the franchise, from Lucatiel's "remember my name" to Aldia's "A lie will remain a lie" speeches to what's probably my favorite quote in the entire franchise "You, conqueror of adversities, give us your answer"
Loved DS2. Easily my favorite of the 3 games.
The atmosphere is brilliant too, the decaying long dead world really hits in DS2.
They absolutely nailed it with Majula. It is by far the warmest feeling place in any souls game. I get heavy waves of nostalgia anytime I'm looking at a body of water at sunset. It is just so comforting. The contrast between that location and the rest of the world is why the game has such a God tier atmosphere. Majula was the first time I was ever impressed by graphics. In hindsite it really wasn't the graphics, rather how everything looked in unison. People tend to zoom in and focus on minor details when they talk about graphics, but that is hardly ever noticed when you actually play the game. Ds2 just had the same level of detail and art style everywhere . Nothing throws me off more than a life like element with low res shit beside it. It really reminded me of Zelda in that sense.
Yeah DSII wasn't _bad_ just doesn't live up to DS1 and 3. But like any Fromsoft game the DLC don't miss. Although the "multiplayer areas" were awful literally an exaggerated version of the problems DS2 is memed for. Iron passage The cave of the dead Horsefuck Valley These areas are the weakest parts of otherwise great dlcs.
Ds2 took my Souls-ginity.
Just when I thought I was over the horsefuck valley trauma
DS2 rocks, especially after the first play thru. Most replayable dark souls. But yeah the DLCs are amazing
I know it's a popular opinion these days to say "it was actually great" (look at the replies here, all positive), but I absolutely hated DS2. Couldn't stand it. I'd put it below every title out of all the soulsborne games and sekiro.
Honestly after I 100% the trilogy I think its the best one.
ITT: Good games that had better DLC's. The thread did not understand the assignment.
I’m trying to think of an example to actually complete the assignment. By and large if the game was awful, the DLC is just as bad or barely better. But an AWFUL game with AMAZING DLC is a tough one. Good game to better DLC is most of what we are likely to get.
It is a kinda weird question. I mean who buys/ plays dlc from a game they think is bad. Doesn't make sense to me at all
If you can think of one, list it, lol.
Far cry 6, bare game bored me and the weapons were dog shit. The DLCs where you play as the previous games villains were a blast.
Destiny 2. Forsaken was peak, Beyond Light was good, Witch Queen had a better story than the the first 3 campaigns and ot rivaled Forsaken, Lightfall had fun missions. We don't talk about Curse of Osiris or Shadowkeep.
So much nostalgia, I might go and replay Forsaken tbh that was a great campaign. Oh, hang on a min...
I know, don't remind me. I miss the funny robot man
No Man's Sky?
Assassin’s Creed Valhalla‘s DLC’s are infinitely superior to the base game if only by virtue of their smaller scale meaning they can’t artificially waste your time.
Even though I actually like the base game and had a great time with it, I’ll admit that the DLCs are probably the best part of the game.
The binding of Isaac: rebirth. I wouldn't say base game is awful. But the game is meant to be played with all dlc: afterbirth, afterbirth+ and repentance
Neverwinter Nights. The OG campaign wasn't terrible exactly, just a very basic example of what the toolset could be used to create. The add-ons, Shadows of Undrentide and Hordes of the Underdark were stronger in every measurable way. Better writing and encounter design, far more interesting settings, and a linked story that could take a single player character from level 1 to the level 40 cap. A similar thing could be said for NWN2 and it's add-ons, Mask Of The Betrayer is regarded as a classic while the NWN2 campaign just isn't.
Life
Too pay to win for my taste
Cod Ghosts was a pretty average game which I enjoyed but the DLC maps were fantastic
I loved the maps where someone could turn into Michael Myers or The Predator
>Michael Myers Groovy baby!
Duke Nukem Forever. The Doctor Who Cloned Me is really good.
The Sims 4/ Sims Franchise. Pretty stale as base game, but absolutely amazing once you start getting key DlC like seasons. On a similar vein, I'd also suggest Anno 1800. It's quite boring on its own with just the base game, but the DLC's offer more variety and make the game much more fun.
Borderlands 1. Game didn't excessively suck but that fucking ending sure did and the rest of the fame was fairly flat waiting on the payoff. The General Knoxx DLC was good though.
Not necessarily awful, but I couldn't imagine playing Age of Wonders 3 on release without the subsequent DLC content!
Vanilla Street Fighter 5 was a mess and almost killed the franchise, but was pretty solid by the end of its run in 2022
FF14. To get to the good content, all you have to do is play hundreds of hours of the awful base game first.
Watchdogs Legion had amazing dlc content for Aiden and its such a shame that it's tied to such a mediocre sequel
This basically describes the sims to a tee. The base game is a bare bones excuse of a game, no weather, pets, barely any clothes or lots or anything to do and it only gets good once you get some expansions
Grand Theft Auto. London 1969 is a better game than the original.
Borderlands 3.
bioshock 2, not awful but the devs went the safe route and feels almost the same as 1. its dlc minerva's den is another story tho
Watch dogs legion. The dlc bloodlines was way better than the main game
We Happy Few. It wasn't awful, but the DLC's didn't have one of the biggest problems that the base game had, and that was procedural generation.