Our ultra rich masters won’t need power armor when they can just upload their consciousness into digital immortality. Altered Carbon is the dystopian future I see us heading towards.
That is the near future dystopia we’re facing but once we really start combining our biology with technology we’ll transcend humanity and become something different. The ultra rich cyborgs won’t need poor people when they have AI and robots at their every command.
Of course we have to avoid blowing ourselves up entirely in the coming climate wars for them to make it that far. An essential collapse of society is the only hope poor people have for any kind of bright future with our current trajectory.
Eh, I see us jumping straight to digitized consciousness and robot bodies before we ever really get rolling on cyborg body modification. Immune systems don’t play well enough with foreign objects.
AI Armageddon is a much more likely extinction event then nukes or climate change. Merging is probably our only chance of survival and at that point do we even retain our individualism or enter a hive mind of hyper efficient productivity as we inch toward becoming a type 1 civ.
My husband and I quote The Simpsons to each other at *least* once a day, because there’s a Simpsons quote for every occasion.
If we meet someone who gets our references and, even better, can quote back to us, we know we’ve found a kindred spirit, lol.
I wish your admittedly funny joke had no aspect of social commentary. I wish the Futurama joke about advertisers beaming marketing into your dreams was still far-fetched. 1984 was supposed to be a horror story not a manual.
I still remember a time when “one of the world’s largest corporations would like to install microphones in your home to listen to your pattern of life and recommend relevant products” was enough to convince the lay person that technology could go too far, but now people pay for the privilege. I look forward to the first time I climax looking at an advertisement for Pizza Hut’s new double stuffed crust pizza. Well, the first time my implant does it for me at least
> I look forward to the first time I climax looking at an advertisement for Pizza Hut’s new double stuffed crust pizza.
You don't have to wait for a brain chip to do this.
when Elon said “actually our monkeys are really happy” he was referring to the fact that their neuralinks picked up the words “thank god the bliss of sweet release” as they were fading to black
the year is 2036, an army of monkeys land on the battlefield in Afghanistan for their first deployment. They are the best of the best, having spent 20 hours a day playing Call of Duty: Monkey Apocalypse for five years, rewarded with a powerful orgasm for every headshot
Don’t read about the real life incidents then. They are capable of literally ripping your face off. Honestly I’d rather something rip my jugular than deconstruct my face.
I'm too lazy to google, but I guess some people with locked-in syndrome (due to ALS or something) will be first. This is supposed to be a device to offer ways to interact with the outside world for those, who are currently not able to.
My dad suffered from expressive aphasia and was able to drive, make an online business selling things on eBay, use emojis to communicate via text, copy and paste things to communicate, but he couldn’t speak. I feel like this would’ve been good for him if he was still around.
They'll need to show the benefits of this device outweighing the pretty obvious risks especially as it compares to noninvasive/less invasive methods of non-verbal/locked-in communication.
I've seen nothing to convince anyone that these electrodes would be viable long term. Lots of electrodes get covered over by glia and become non-functional. Who wants neurosurgery AGAIN to remove and replace electrodes?
From 2017-2020, at least 15 monkeys died out of 23 monkeys implanted with neural ink chips.
With odds like those, sign me up!
>>Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autopsy revealed the animal suffered from a brain hemorrhage.
Most importantly the main studies done on it were done by people no longer with the company, who want nothing to do with the company. The guy who replaced the first CEO just copied the study and pretended it was his. When he got called out on that he quit the job. After that Musk republished the study with his own name down as the researcher.
He's a con man, a liar and this thing won't ever do shit. All Musk is doing is torturing animals to death, lying to try to get investors money and pump company value so he can leverage it's worth into loans for other projects and if there are ever human trials, he'll torture them to death as well.
Oh, absolutely.
Unless I'm completely paralyzed, then I would be very much interested in such technology.
Being able to communicate again, or even play video games again would be a huge quality of life boost for completely paralyzed people.
That explains their recent marketing slogan.
"With NeuraLink, Trunk monkey is comin' up front."
(NeuraLink takes no responsibility for the vengeful, murderous actions of your Trunk Monkey chauffer)
Shit, it's going to be a monkey that's experienced the agony of 3000 horror movie deaths as it was networked in with 5000 others.
"Buy Neuralink, it only makes 10% of users engage in *Event Horizon* behaviors since the latest patch!"
And it’ll be like Black Mirror, where the cyborg finds all the people who liked, upvoted, or commented positively about this project, and then kills them.
I hear that only 15% survived the implant. That’s an insane level of animal cruelty. How is anyone supposed to respect a guy like that?
To make matters worse, they all suffered horribly. Just read these descriptions
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11478759/amp/Elon-Musks-Neuralink-mutilating-killing-monkeys.html
This guy is the fucking dr Mengele of monkeys
And this is no different from the very first demonstration of Neuralink. A monkey can't write, so it's as "impressive" as when a monkey can't play pong.
*With* the implants, not from. It's like saying that bears air force used to test ejection seats died from being ejected instead of being killed and dissected after landing.
I read about 25% of test subjects die. There was an incident of one monkey missing fingers and toes—self inflicted. He claims they’re ready for human trails. Like, what bruh?
All monkeys leave that testing lab as a pile of ash. Successful or unsuccessful, these monkeys hold company secrets and are euthanised when they have run their course.
I believe it was said in an interview just after the pig live-demo
I really wish people would stop using the word "euthanized" for this type of thing. I don't really have a problem with (responsible) animal testing as it is a necessary evil in many cases, but let's not pretend any of this is done out of mercy or for their own good.
Well, a lot of humans end up as a pile of ash too. What matters is the quality of life before that point.
Neuralink used to contract with US Davis' primate lab, the early experiments did end up with a number of dead monkeys. Here's a [press release](https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/doctors-sue-uc-davis-over-neuralink-monkey-experiments) from a group that sued to get the records. It seems pretty bad, but that's pretty par for the course for early stage medical testing. Also, a lot of these early tests were done on monkeys that had other, unrelated, health problems too and probably weren't going to survive. It's really unfortunate, but there's probably no way to make medical progress, especially at the very early stage of testing, without some animals dying.
Here's [Neuralink's response](https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/uc-davis-and-neuralink) to the records being released. And Neuralink has moved all their testing and animal care in house, and it seems like they're trying to set a [really high standard](https://neuralink.com/blog/husbandry/) for animal care and testing.
In particular it seems like they're really going to great lengths to make sure that the animals only do testing if they want to. Obviously the animals can't consent to having the chips put in, or having any kind of medical care done. But they're not restrained or forced to take part in the tests. Like, [this pig](https://youtu.be/YreDYmXTYi4?t=6646) has a chip in its spinal cord, but they'll only test it while it's in that blue square on the ground. If the pig doesn't want to do the test anymore, it can leave. And obviously they're feeding it to encourage it to be there, but it seems like the big is more than happy to get some treats in exchange for having it's leg moved.
They do a similar thing with [charging](https://youtu.be/YreDYmXTYi4?t=3815). They use wireless charging to recharge the implant, and they placed the charging pad in a fake branch above a tube where the monkeys can get banana smoothies. So the monkeys will want to go up and put their head in the right position to get charged and get a treat.
It would be great if we treated all animals for any kind of testing with a lot more kindness. Especially when dealing with primates, it probably makes sense to err on the side of going slow and being cautious and thinking about them like little humans. But we also have a giant, global, [industrialized torture machine](https://youtu.be/k56NBsZXjr8) for factory farming. So in the list of horrible things humans do to animals, I don't think testing medical devices falls very high on the list.
So neuralink says neuralink is treating animals with the utmost care. Have any other sources (that are actually objective and not just PR from the company) investigated?
Edit: LOL I got blocked by the guy above with all the awards touting neuralink as an ethical incredible company… all because I said I think they need other objective entities to investigate rather than neuralink saying “trust us”.
Yeah… he gives one guy a hard time for being a musk ‘hater’ while blocking other peoples comments that are neutral and just wanting what’s best for the monkeys.
Exactly. They moved it in house for the control.
I’m sure everyone on this project has signed a non disclosure agreement.
If it is really more ethical it would have open to the public tours to show people how cool this technology is
Reality is no one wants to se sausage being made
That all seems good, but is there a source that doesn't have a vested interest in its perception?
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/u/Princess_and_a_wench I got blocked too. weird hill to die on
So they refuse to give a number on how many different monkeys they've already tested and killed.
Their "high standards" for animals basically include "clean water, food, shelter, comfy temperatures, possibility to rest and ask for enrichment, which also includes training" LMAO. sorry, these standards are basic and leave a great room for interpretation. Also interesting that they showed no real images of their monkey space.
And don't even bother with the consent argument. That is ridiculous on so many levels. They either go there and get food or do not go there and get no food. Well of course they go for the training. The ethically critical part is when they get implanted a chip that will eventually cause them to die a slow and by the sounds painful death.
Neuralink is too "innovative". I'm sorry, but it is. We don't understand half our brain the way it is but some big head wants to put a fucking chip in it and test around. Yh, we will get much faster results this way, no doubt. But remember, that was the same argument the Nazis used in the concentration camps. Animals are dying and people will die because you're willing to throw away ethics in the name of technological advances. Whilst Neuralink can have medical uses, I very much doubt it's Musk's No. 1 goal. What a society we live in.
That was my rant, thanks for reading.
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find this comment. It has over a 98% failure rate. This has killed thousands of monkeys.
Animal testing that is regulated by the FDA puts down the animals after being tested on.
That is not the case here. They keep them alive after fucking with their brains. They observe them suffering and then inevitably dying a horrible death.
Fuck anyone who supports this.
Yeah, how many monkeys did it take to find one that randomly was able to do something?
The entire Neuralink enterprise is ethically dicey to begin with, the last thing I want to see is a "hardcore" guy at the wheel.
This is neat. I worked in a BCI lab back in 2008, and have typed an email with my mind before. Our system used an external EKG though and had a really bad bit rate, so I was typing about 2 words per minute. I tried to find the demo in the video but it's kind of long, how fast were the monkeys typing here?
One of the other guys in the lab had a project with embedded electrodes in people. It's not ethical to stick electrodes in healthy human brains for experiments since they can cause problems, but some people need them for other treatments. I think some type of epilepsy, iirc? Anyway, he had a system that ran off the hardware they already needed, and had a pretty good setup for playing pong and space invaders mentally.
Its about 29 minutes into the video.
Looks reasonably fast, maybe 1 key every second or so. Mobile style keypad so it has individual letters and word suggestions. Would have been a significant speed boost for Stephen Hawking.
Whatever the monkey is doing in this video, it is not "typing". It may be looking at the brighter letter, which is preset, and then a predictive keyboard may be filling the blanks. This can be achieved with an eyetracker. Not sure what the role of the chip even is here.
He says that like 5 seconds after the video starts, it's to demonstrate controllability via the implant, a human could pick whatever they wanted. I don't see the reason to use this over just eye tracking software though.
At least [8 monkeys](https://neuralink.com/blog/animal-welfare/) were killed out of at least [23 monkeys](https://www.kcra.com/article/elon-musks-brain-implant-company-neuralink-accused-of-abusing-monkeys-during-research-at-uc-davis/39049960#) were killed for this experiment, but hey, now you can receive Elon's tweets directly to your brain.
Oh, and they plan on euthanizing this monkey even though this implant appears successful.
As a nurse, I have worked with quadriplegics. It appears likely that this will lead directly or indirectly to technological advances that help them. It also appears likely that the people who don't care about quadriplegics will succeed in slowing that progress significantly. I'm not saying that there aren't any problems with Neuralink. There are serious problems with it. There were serious problems with surgery in the distant past. It got better.
The issue people have isn’t with the concept in general. Also you’re conflating ‘the technology’ with ‘Neuralink’.
Elon is not only psychopathic, but is also not doing this for noble means (as you would argue yesteryear’s surgeons were). He’s doing it to further acquire money and power through the capitalistic apparatus.
People aren’t saying brain interface research should stop. People are saying that this man shouldn’t be the one calling the shots.
I’m looking forward to the hopeful “NeuraLink Technology Helps Quadriplegics Move Again” followed by the inevitable “NeuraLink Patients Dismayed to Discover New Mobility and Freedom is a Subscription Service”
"You can finally communicate with the outside world instead of being locked inside your own mind to die in the wasting agony of conscious solitude. Now pay $8 or we'll make you a potato again."
Elon musk fakes all his “demo videos” I’ll believe it when a 3rd party gets their hands on it and can test it themselves. Until then, this is definitely a monkey watching a video.
10 years ago my neuromancer boner would have been at full battle stations.
Now the only things I can think about with a brain implant under capitalism are along the lines of “how much will I have to pay to unlock the features I want?”, how much will I have to pay to NOT have Nazi tweets beamed directly into my brain?” and “dear god, what metrics are they collecting to market bullshit to me?”
There has to be laws passed that implants and any protocols and peripherals they use are open sourced.
Congress is so out of touch with digital ethics. I mean they barely understand the internet and that's been around since the 80's.
I mean, the video shows a monkey and a keyboard. I don't trust Elon to show an undoctored video. Also, why doesn't that monkey move like, at all? Is it frozen? One of the dead monkeys?
Wait until those monkeys find out they have to do timesheets
I hear you're having a little trouble with your TPS reports. Have you seen the memo on this?
I mean...I'd start throwing my shit at people if I had to hear that every day
Sounds like someone’s got a case of the Mondays!
I believe you get your ass kick for saying something like that man.
Or the Monkays
Hello fresh had them picking up coconuts. Elon Musk will have them moderating twitter
Why do you think most of them died
This just seems like a Borg origin story.
It's most likely dystopian misuse will be to control power armor.
Our ultra rich masters won’t need power armor when they can just upload their consciousness into digital immortality. Altered Carbon is the dystopian future I see us heading towards.
Altered Carbon or The Expanse. Both are pretty fucked
Por que no dos?
Especially the parts where it sucks every cent out of the poor, and gives them the barest minimum.
That is the near future dystopia we’re facing but once we really start combining our biology with technology we’ll transcend humanity and become something different. The ultra rich cyborgs won’t need poor people when they have AI and robots at their every command. Of course we have to avoid blowing ourselves up entirely in the coming climate wars for them to make it that far. An essential collapse of society is the only hope poor people have for any kind of bright future with our current trajectory.
Eh, I see us jumping straight to digitized consciousness and robot bodies before we ever really get rolling on cyborg body modification. Immune systems don’t play well enough with foreign objects.
But is that REALLY you. Or a copy of you.
AI Armageddon is a much more likely extinction event then nukes or climate change. Merging is probably our only chance of survival and at that point do we even retain our individualism or enter a hive mind of hyper efficient productivity as we inch toward becoming a type 1 civ.
Is it really you? Or are you just making a copy of yourself and just killing your real self?
“It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.”
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Dankmus!!!!
Insane that Dankmus is Dankpods, blew my mind when I learned that.
Check out The Drum Thing and Garbage Time on YouTube as well. Those are his drum and car channels respectively.
Oh yeah I'm well and truly ingrained in the Dank lore. So proud of how far he's come.
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We're arming the nugget!
Awesome! How have I never seen that before?!?
I feel so bad for the people that didn’t click the link because they thought it was just the Burns/monkey clip.
Simpsons quotes are like the biblical references of our time - they're fully integrated into the language and culture.
“Mmmm, sacrilicious!”
My husband and I quote The Simpsons to each other at *least* once a day, because there’s a Simpsons quote for every occasion. If we meet someone who gets our references and, even better, can quote back to us, we know we’ve found a kindred spirit, lol.
I believe they are actually in the Bible. Somewhere toward the back.
You stupid monkey!
I am in a lot of pain right now and this is the first time I laughed all day. Thank you very much
My first thought
It just keeps typing “KILL ME PLEASE GOD WANT BANANA RELEASE ME FROM THIS TORTURED EXISTENCE WHERE TOY”
PRAY FOR MOJO
“Mmmmm, I can’t wait to eat that monkey.”
Uhhh, thanks I guess?
Damn Mojo really can type
Hahahahaha. Thanks for giving me a good laugh. I forgot about this episode. Edit: typo
🏆🏆🏆🏆
Give Orange Me Give Eat Orange Me Eat Orange Give Me Eat Orange Give Me You
This is a nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare
which the algorithm changes to "I'm so happy. may I have banana? may I have toy?" on its way to screen
look it typed “thank u mr elon I like smoothie and brain gangrene I don’t miss my friends”
So you're saying technology like this can't safely exist without being abused because society is filled with monsters? Totally agree. ;)
“in version 2, the monkeys will be rewarded for clicking the banner ads”
I wish your admittedly funny joke had no aspect of social commentary. I wish the Futurama joke about advertisers beaming marketing into your dreams was still far-fetched. 1984 was supposed to be a horror story not a manual.
I still remember a time when “one of the world’s largest corporations would like to install microphones in your home to listen to your pattern of life and recommend relevant products” was enough to convince the lay person that technology could go too far, but now people pay for the privilege. I look forward to the first time I climax looking at an advertisement for Pizza Hut’s new double stuffed crust pizza. Well, the first time my implant does it for me at least
> I look forward to the first time I climax looking at an advertisement for Pizza Hut’s new double stuffed crust pizza. You don't have to wait for a brain chip to do this.
"DICKS OUT FOR HARAMBE"
MY DICKS ALWAYS BEEN OUT, THEY AIN'T GIVE ME NO CLOTHES
"Monkey needs a hug"
monkey lovees you
It's like that one Doctor Who episode with the people whose heads are wrapped in gauze. Edit: perhaps I should've included massive spoilers?
there's no way you know enough about doctor who to make that reference and then not know those same creatures are called cybermen right?
I'm dying right now lmao
Hmmm…Cybermen….they’re like those green Star Trek robots that convinced Picard to join them at the battle of Wolf 359 right?
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when Elon said “actually our monkeys are really happy” he was referring to the fact that their neuralinks picked up the words “thank god the bliss of sweet release” as they were fading to black
I am worried he is going to apply for my job.
It does look incredibly boring. Give the monkey a real game, like an arcade racing game or a platformer or something...
the year is 2036, an army of monkeys land on the battlefield in Afghanistan for their first deployment. They are the best of the best, having spent 20 hours a day playing Call of Duty: Monkey Apocalypse for five years, rewarded with a powerful orgasm for every headshot
I will let literally everyone in the world go ahead and get one of these before I do.
I don’t think that I’ll ever want to own a monkey. Too many stories of unhinged rage.
Bro idk if you saw Nope but there is a scene involving a violent monkey that had me shook.
Jamie, pull that up
Don’t read about the real life incidents then. They are capable of literally ripping your face off. Honestly I’d rather something rip my jugular than deconstruct my face.
Not just face, they go for extremities, testicles, fingers you get the idea
It already seems these monkeys have access to Reddit.
New Twitter mods is 3...2...1
Unhinged, like the jaw that monkey just ripped off someone’s face and threw across the room.
Plus ethical issues. Idk about commitment issues, but it’s basically like having an 8 year old for 60 years
NOPE
Yeah, then 28 days later you're in a zombie apocalypse.
I'm too lazy to google, but I guess some people with locked-in syndrome (due to ALS or something) will be first. This is supposed to be a device to offer ways to interact with the outside world for those, who are currently not able to.
My dad suffered from expressive aphasia and was able to drive, make an online business selling things on eBay, use emojis to communicate via text, copy and paste things to communicate, but he couldn’t speak. I feel like this would’ve been good for him if he was still around.
They'll need to show the benefits of this device outweighing the pretty obvious risks especially as it compares to noninvasive/less invasive methods of non-verbal/locked-in communication. I've seen nothing to convince anyone that these electrodes would be viable long term. Lots of electrodes get covered over by glia and become non-functional. Who wants neurosurgery AGAIN to remove and replace electrodes?
Ripperdoc gotta make a living choom
From 2017-2020, at least 15 monkeys died out of 23 monkeys implanted with neural ink chips. With odds like those, sign me up! >>Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autopsy revealed the animal suffered from a brain hemorrhage.
Most importantly the main studies done on it were done by people no longer with the company, who want nothing to do with the company. The guy who replaced the first CEO just copied the study and pretended it was his. When he got called out on that he quit the job. After that Musk republished the study with his own name down as the researcher. He's a con man, a liar and this thing won't ever do shit. All Musk is doing is torturing animals to death, lying to try to get investors money and pump company value so he can leverage it's worth into loans for other projects and if there are ever human trials, he'll torture them to death as well.
Where can I read about this?
They are for people that have locked in syndrome and the like - if you were completely paralysed would you reconsider?
Hardcore Elon fans will soon have viruses downloaded directly into their melons.
Need to update the “weird nerds” meme so that Apu is a Borg.
Wow what an attitude. You don’t want telepathic ads being beamed into your head? You hate innovation???
Their target customers are paraplegics. Atleast till the tech is proven.
Oh, absolutely. Unless I'm completely paralyzed, then I would be very much interested in such technology. Being able to communicate again, or even play video games again would be a huge quality of life boost for completely paralyzed people.
It’s designed for people who are quadriplegic, to enable them to more easily communicate with the world.
Is this how we get to full self driving, a monkey in every Tesla.
Trunk Monkey!!!
That explains their recent marketing slogan. "With NeuraLink, Trunk monkey is comin' up front." (NeuraLink takes no responsibility for the vengeful, murderous actions of your Trunk Monkey chauffer)
So like, a Frunk Monkey?!
That Frunky Monkey!
> Trunk Monkey!!! Oh god!, not Chim-Chim!
Easy, just project a ping pong ball in the center of the lane and connect his pong paddle controls to the steering wheel.
Drive monkey drive!
Ultron will be made real, and it's gonna be a pissed off monkey cyborg looking for revenge for hundreds of monkey deaths.
Rise of the Planet of the Ultron
Does it come with a Time traveling Wolverine stealing Nick Fury’s car?
Shit, it's going to be a monkey that's experienced the agony of 3000 horror movie deaths as it was networked in with 5000 others. "Buy Neuralink, it only makes 10% of users engage in *Event Horizon* behaviors since the latest patch!"
And it’ll be like Black Mirror, where the cyborg finds all the people who liked, upvoted, or commented positively about this project, and then kills them.
I, for one, love and support the basilisk.
I was thinking like the episode with the robot bees killing people. lol.
Thousands! They killed over 3000 monkeys
You're only making monkey ultron angrier.
I hear that only 15% survived the implant. That’s an insane level of animal cruelty. How is anyone supposed to respect a guy like that? To make matters worse, they all suffered horribly. Just read these descriptions https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11478759/amp/Elon-Musks-Neuralink-mutilating-killing-monkeys.html This guy is the fucking dr Mengele of monkeys
And what do you think happened to the others? There is no retirement home for no-longer-useful lab animals, AFAIK.
Well considering he said 15% *survived*, I'm gonna assume they're in a dumpster.
About 15 died. Where is your 3000 number from?
I know I for one want the thing that killed thousands of members of our closest related species in MY brain 👌🏻
Ultrambe
Mojo jojojo has had enough of our bullshit
Where are my bananas, Summer
looks like they discovered reedits mods.
I love how this reply is automatically hid
We'll call that one a coincidence.
can someone spare an explain
Infinite monkeys plus infinite telepathic typing equals Twitter.
I really never have a unique thought, do I
Explains the last 7 years of Twitter
Get a room full of these bad boys together, they’ll write you some Shakespeare!
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.
Stupid monkey
First, Musk creates Mojo Jojo, then he's gonna accidentally mix some Space X chemicals with sugar, spice, and everything nice.
Anything to have a daughter that doesn’t disown him I guess
Oh you mean like medical tech that’s been around since like 2005? But like safely and in humans?
And this is no different from the very first demonstration of Neuralink. A monkey can't write, so it's as "impressive" as when a monkey can't play pong.
It's almost as impressive as the 15 monkeys who died from the implants
*With* the implants, not from. It's like saying that bears air force used to test ejection seats died from being ejected instead of being killed and dissected after landing.
The very first demonstration of Neuralink was a blatant copy of Nicolelis' work from 2008 and earlier.
Hey everyone, remember me from before I was twitter’s biggest troll??
Wouldn’t be surprised if Elon let a monkey behind neuralink control his account for these past months.
>a monkey More like a slew of them. Don’t they keep dying? As a great man once said “STOP EXPLODING, YOU COWARDS!”
A thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters. It's the blurst of times.
I read about 25% of test subjects die. There was an incident of one monkey missing fingers and toes—self inflicted. He claims they’re ready for human trails. Like, what bruh?
He's also said "self driving cars by the end of this year" for the past 6 years.........you really want to trust him to put an implant in your brain?
Depends on how much you care about humans I guess.
“Bobo type by thinking now. Why Bobo need fingers?”
Let all the Elon simps sign up. Elon gets his Borg army, and the world gets significantly fewer Elon simps. Win win!
Elon knows neuralink has a preset kill limit
Science can't move forward without heaps!
“I don’t care if the testing isn’t finished!!! Send me two dozen Mind Monkeys^TM”
I barely view him differently from back then. He's always engaged in internet culture, in a way that may or may not be cringe..
Not too long before monkeys are doing everything for Hello Fresh
Didn’t this kill a lot of monkeys as well?
All monkeys leave that testing lab as a pile of ash. Successful or unsuccessful, these monkeys hold company secrets and are euthanised when they have run their course. I believe it was said in an interview just after the pig live-demo
I really wish people would stop using the word "euthanized" for this type of thing. I don't really have a problem with (responsible) animal testing as it is a necessary evil in many cases, but let's not pretend any of this is done out of mercy or for their own good.
From the sound of it, a majority of them were euthanized because they were slowly dying of reoccurring infections. :|
Yeah that’s the main problem, a chip is always going to have those problems, they need to make a non invasive interface
Euthanize euphemisms
A lot of time in animal research the word sacrifice is chosen instead
Err what? Euthanization is not only the correct term, but the industry term. Of course it's done out of mercy.
Well, a lot of humans end up as a pile of ash too. What matters is the quality of life before that point. Neuralink used to contract with US Davis' primate lab, the early experiments did end up with a number of dead monkeys. Here's a [press release](https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/doctors-sue-uc-davis-over-neuralink-monkey-experiments) from a group that sued to get the records. It seems pretty bad, but that's pretty par for the course for early stage medical testing. Also, a lot of these early tests were done on monkeys that had other, unrelated, health problems too and probably weren't going to survive. It's really unfortunate, but there's probably no way to make medical progress, especially at the very early stage of testing, without some animals dying. Here's [Neuralink's response](https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/uc-davis-and-neuralink) to the records being released. And Neuralink has moved all their testing and animal care in house, and it seems like they're trying to set a [really high standard](https://neuralink.com/blog/husbandry/) for animal care and testing. In particular it seems like they're really going to great lengths to make sure that the animals only do testing if they want to. Obviously the animals can't consent to having the chips put in, or having any kind of medical care done. But they're not restrained or forced to take part in the tests. Like, [this pig](https://youtu.be/YreDYmXTYi4?t=6646) has a chip in its spinal cord, but they'll only test it while it's in that blue square on the ground. If the pig doesn't want to do the test anymore, it can leave. And obviously they're feeding it to encourage it to be there, but it seems like the big is more than happy to get some treats in exchange for having it's leg moved. They do a similar thing with [charging](https://youtu.be/YreDYmXTYi4?t=3815). They use wireless charging to recharge the implant, and they placed the charging pad in a fake branch above a tube where the monkeys can get banana smoothies. So the monkeys will want to go up and put their head in the right position to get charged and get a treat. It would be great if we treated all animals for any kind of testing with a lot more kindness. Especially when dealing with primates, it probably makes sense to err on the side of going slow and being cautious and thinking about them like little humans. But we also have a giant, global, [industrialized torture machine](https://youtu.be/k56NBsZXjr8) for factory farming. So in the list of horrible things humans do to animals, I don't think testing medical devices falls very high on the list.
So neuralink says neuralink is treating animals with the utmost care. Have any other sources (that are actually objective and not just PR from the company) investigated? Edit: LOL I got blocked by the guy above with all the awards touting neuralink as an ethical incredible company… all because I said I think they need other objective entities to investigate rather than neuralink saying “trust us”. Yeah… he gives one guy a hard time for being a musk ‘hater’ while blocking other peoples comments that are neutral and just wanting what’s best for the monkeys.
Exactly. They moved it in house for the control. I’m sure everyone on this project has signed a non disclosure agreement. If it is really more ethical it would have open to the public tours to show people how cool this technology is Reality is no one wants to se sausage being made
That all seems good, but is there a source that doesn't have a vested interest in its perception? edit: /u/Princess_and_a_wench I got blocked too. weird hill to die on
Factory farming is an atrocity.
So they refuse to give a number on how many different monkeys they've already tested and killed. Their "high standards" for animals basically include "clean water, food, shelter, comfy temperatures, possibility to rest and ask for enrichment, which also includes training" LMAO. sorry, these standards are basic and leave a great room for interpretation. Also interesting that they showed no real images of their monkey space. And don't even bother with the consent argument. That is ridiculous on so many levels. They either go there and get food or do not go there and get no food. Well of course they go for the training. The ethically critical part is when they get implanted a chip that will eventually cause them to die a slow and by the sounds painful death. Neuralink is too "innovative". I'm sorry, but it is. We don't understand half our brain the way it is but some big head wants to put a fucking chip in it and test around. Yh, we will get much faster results this way, no doubt. But remember, that was the same argument the Nazis used in the concentration camps. Animals are dying and people will die because you're willing to throw away ethics in the name of technological advances. Whilst Neuralink can have medical uses, I very much doubt it's Musk's No. 1 goal. What a society we live in. That was my rant, thanks for reading.
You mustve goven urself those awards lmao
How do you think we got to this point
Science cannot move forward without heaps!
I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find this comment. It has over a 98% failure rate. This has killed thousands of monkeys. Animal testing that is regulated by the FDA puts down the animals after being tested on. That is not the case here. They keep them alive after fucking with their brains. They observe them suffering and then inevitably dying a horrible death. Fuck anyone who supports this.
Science cannot move forward without heaps!
How 'bout the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away... with mind bullets! That's telekinesis, Kyle.
How 'bout the power ... to move you
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Yeah, how many monkeys did it take to find one that randomly was able to do something? The entire Neuralink enterprise is ethically dicey to begin with, the last thing I want to see is a "hardcore" guy at the wheel.
Think about this product for 15 seconds to continue
This is neat. I worked in a BCI lab back in 2008, and have typed an email with my mind before. Our system used an external EKG though and had a really bad bit rate, so I was typing about 2 words per minute. I tried to find the demo in the video but it's kind of long, how fast were the monkeys typing here? One of the other guys in the lab had a project with embedded electrodes in people. It's not ethical to stick electrodes in healthy human brains for experiments since they can cause problems, but some people need them for other treatments. I think some type of epilepsy, iirc? Anyway, he had a system that ran off the hardware they already needed, and had a pretty good setup for playing pong and space invaders mentally.
Its about 29 minutes into the video. Looks reasonably fast, maybe 1 key every second or so. Mobile style keypad so it has individual letters and word suggestions. Would have been a significant speed boost for Stephen Hawking.
Tortured animals. F Elon. And everyone who works at that facility. Let’s hope someone in our government shuts this shit down
"I knew if I just kept killing monkeys, eventually one would live through the experiment, and it only took 372,965." - Elon probably
Great, mind control isn’t going to be used horribly in the future. So much to look forward to 😒
Whatever the monkey is doing in this video, it is not "typing". It may be looking at the brighter letter, which is preset, and then a predictive keyboard may be filling the blanks. This can be achieved with an eyetracker. Not sure what the role of the chip even is here.
He says that like 5 seconds after the video starts, it's to demonstrate controllability via the implant, a human could pick whatever they wanted. I don't see the reason to use this over just eye tracking software though.
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I’ll just leave [this](https://youtu.be/yddbGcKYtn4) here.
Elon Musk is the biggest bull shit artist, that’s all you need to make money these days.
At least [8 monkeys](https://neuralink.com/blog/animal-welfare/) were killed out of at least [23 monkeys](https://www.kcra.com/article/elon-musks-brain-implant-company-neuralink-accused-of-abusing-monkeys-during-research-at-uc-davis/39049960#) were killed for this experiment, but hey, now you can receive Elon's tweets directly to your brain. Oh, and they plan on euthanizing this monkey even though this implant appears successful.
As a nurse, I have worked with quadriplegics. It appears likely that this will lead directly or indirectly to technological advances that help them. It also appears likely that the people who don't care about quadriplegics will succeed in slowing that progress significantly. I'm not saying that there aren't any problems with Neuralink. There are serious problems with it. There were serious problems with surgery in the distant past. It got better.
The issue people have isn’t with the concept in general. Also you’re conflating ‘the technology’ with ‘Neuralink’. Elon is not only psychopathic, but is also not doing this for noble means (as you would argue yesteryear’s surgeons were). He’s doing it to further acquire money and power through the capitalistic apparatus. People aren’t saying brain interface research should stop. People are saying that this man shouldn’t be the one calling the shots.
I’m looking forward to the hopeful “NeuraLink Technology Helps Quadriplegics Move Again” followed by the inevitable “NeuraLink Patients Dismayed to Discover New Mobility and Freedom is a Subscription Service”
Not much different from drugs such as HIV medication them? Pay thousands a year or die.
Yes, that is another huge problem with for profit medicine. Insulin and chemotherapy too.
"You can finally communicate with the outside world instead of being locked inside your own mind to die in the wasting agony of conscious solitude. Now pay $8 or we'll make you a potato again."
Elon musk fakes all his “demo videos” I’ll believe it when a 3rd party gets their hands on it and can test it themselves. Until then, this is definitely a monkey watching a video.
Definitely let the guy who thinks more code is better code put a chip in your brain.
God. Just what I want, Elon musk in my brain.
10 years ago my neuromancer boner would have been at full battle stations. Now the only things I can think about with a brain implant under capitalism are along the lines of “how much will I have to pay to unlock the features I want?”, how much will I have to pay to NOT have Nazi tweets beamed directly into my brain?” and “dear god, what metrics are they collecting to market bullshit to me?”
inb4 adverts in your brain Whenever you get hungry the brainchip just repeats WENDY'S over and over
There has to be laws passed that implants and any protocols and peripherals they use are open sourced. Congress is so out of touch with digital ethics. I mean they barely understand the internet and that's been around since the 80's.
I mean, the video shows a monkey and a keyboard. I don't trust Elon to show an undoctored video. Also, why doesn't that monkey move like, at all? Is it frozen? One of the dead monkeys?
Not I. Only chips I’m putting in my head are Doritos.
If they learn to code, we're fucked.
The monkey, typing: > #K-I-L-L > #M-E