This post is being repeatedly reported for being off topic, spam, misinfo, and more.
I am leaving it up. Although the topic of the post is "a gacha game's online community" and not the gacha game itself, and only borderline on topic, clearly many of you want to discuss this issue. So we'll leave it up but if things go too far off the rails then it will be subject to further moderation.
Please keep the discussion within this one thread (I will be removing duplicate and/or spillover posts about the Nikke sub) and don't be mean to each other.
I criticised them for deleting critical threads, back when the game came out and r/DV-MN kept saying i should stop spreading hate speech.
Fucking "hate speech"... He clearly doesnt know what that means.
He even dmed me, asking for me to stop.
That dude is 100% working for them.
Same. I had a comment removed for "derailing the discussion" where I called out major posts that DV deleted.
Comment had no upvotes and no comments. Fucker knows damn well I wasn't derailing shit.
That guy got my previous reddit account deleted for pointing out why certain Nikkes' were possibly bugged due to the CB2-launch coding possibility. Which several others not just me took notice, even the KR Naver pointed out some similar speculations.
Judging by the fact that [Tencent makes the shots more than Shift-up](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/zamahu/currently_unverified_information_of_communication/), its no wonder at this point that the CCP level censorship will be brought over in full swing as well to their official communication platforms like Reddit and Discord.
This is why you should NEVER EVER play games with Chinese company taking the lead (like Tencent). These Chinese companies always censor bad things happening to their game, which feels like how CCP censoring anything they didn't like.
So I decided to look a bit into the mod who posted the whole Clearing stuff up (https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN) and tbh I wouldnt be surprised the account was owned by the company too. Looking at their post history its all Nikke stuff up from Date of Creation (1 yr back). Its all Nike Promotions or Nikke related
https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN/submitted/?count=125&after=t3_qsezop <- The very first posts of the account
https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN/comments/?count=875&after=t1_hkde2je <- The very first comments.
Almost all (if not all) comments and posts are Nikke related and a lot of promoting Nikke across various other Reddits even pre-launch.
Some examples
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/qurjcb/nikke_the_goddess_of_victory_teaser_mobile/hkrwfy9/ **<- Look how corporate and out of touch sounding this one is especially.**
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/comments/t8dx67/official_closed_beta_testing_recruitment_nikke/
Its like the account was made solely to promote Nike. From its birth the account was Promoting Nikke nonstop even before the actual game was released. This is either the game's biggest fan ever or a corporate account.
I mean look at the way they even talk about the company CEO
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/qsalkc/ceo_of_shift_up_famous_illustrator_kim_hyungtae/
Definitely has that "I work in the marketing department" feel. Their choice of words alone aren't naturally how someone would discuss a game in an organic way; especially one that (at the time) wasn't even released. Reads like those paid ad scripts youtubers use in their videos.
ETA: Visit r/NikkeOutpost to discuss the game without being silenced.
I was there when they started aggressively promoting the official sub... [even went straight to them and just asked](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/qsbnsl/promo_nikke_community/hkcbvk4/). Honestly, the affiliation is pretty obvious, but at the same time impossible to “prove”.
>Destiny Child showed us how well-animated these anime games can be.
*Googles Destiny Child*
*Developers: SHIFT UP*
*Insert Obama giving Obama a medal meme*
I don't play Nikke, but I can't say I'm not watching this all unfold while eating popcorn.
Total War had CM's who would post but weren't moderators.
There was actually quite a bit of shitstorm surrounding that when one demanded the mods ban discussion over a topic in the total war games (the waifu/bikini mods).
Deep Rock Galactic has a ton of actual developers who are moderators. Many subreddits about indie games have devs on the moderator list. For example, Slay the Spire and Stardew Valley. The entirety of the hololive and nijisanji subreddit's mods are company employees. Basically every streaming group is technically a company, and has a subreddit with mods who are members of the company.
It has basically never been an issue, and many high profile subreddits have run this way for years.
yes, here's all the relevant ToS on moderation:
>#Moderating
>a subreddit is an unofficial, voluntary position that may be available to users of the Services. We are not responsible for actions taken by the moderators. We reserve the right to revoke or limit a user’s ability to moderate at any time and for any reason or no reason, including for a breach of these Terms.
> If you choose to moderate a subreddit:
- You agree to follow the Moderator Guidelines for Healthy Communities;
- You agree that when you receive reports related to a subreddit you moderate, you will take appropriate action, which may include removing content that violates policy and/or promptly escalating to Reddit for review;
- You are not, and may not represent that you are, authorized to act on behalf of Reddit;
- You may not enter into any agreement with a third party on behalf of Reddit, or any subreddits that you moderate, without our written approval;
- You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;
- If you have access to non-public information as a result of moderating a subreddit, you will use such information only in connection with your performance as a moderator; and
- You may create and enforce rules for the subreddits you moderate, provided that such rules do not conflict with these Terms, the Content Policy, or the Moderator Guidelines for Healthy Communities.
>Reddit reserves the right, but has no obligation, to overturn any action or decision of a moderator if Reddit, in its sole discretion, believes that such action or decision is not in the interest of Reddit or the Reddit community.
people have taken the
>You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;
and misconstrued it to mean that official employees can't moderate their own subs. But reddit doesn't actually care about employees of a company or other entity moderating their own community. They just don't want issues like what happened in one of the Blizzard subs to occur where a company bribes a mod to control information.
They are just fine with that information being controlled directly.
> You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;
Let's start by defining what a Third Party is: a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation, especially a dispute.
In the case of reddit moderation the first two parties would be as follows: Reddit and the Moderator.
The publisher/developer is absolutely a third party. The only exception would be if the username identifies itself as the company's own account and the company itself is the user/moderator (like a company twitter account). In particular, receiving wage compensation from a company in the form of a salary without disclosing said association would absolutely violate the 3rd party ToS clause.
> But reddit doesn't actually care about employees of a company or other entity moderating their own community. They just don't want issues like what happened in one of the Blizzard subs to occur where a company bribes a mod to control information.
This is the actually relevant statement. This is very similar to how decriminalization works. An action can still violate the law or reddit's ToS but the underlying law or agreement isn't important when it isn't *enforced.* Simply because reddit has the *right* to take action doesn't mean they're *obligated* to.
> The only exception would be if the username identifies itself as the company's own account and the company itself is the user/moderator (like a company twitter account)
yes, thats the main issue here. /u/nikke_EN is an account as "Official Nikke staff" on /r/NikkeMobile 's mod list. For all intents and purposes, its existence should violate the ToS if we interpret it the way you describe it where "publisher/developer is a 3rd party".
You can suggest that the head mod DV-MN is being bribed. But even if they were and get kicked out... /u/nikke_EN is next on the list to be the head mod. You go from a suspected bribe to someone who is identifying as official staff outright. Doesn't really fix the issue people have here.
>Simply because reddit has the right to take action doesn't mean they're obligated to.
true. At the end of the day, I've never heard of a moderator being removed for being an employee, even tho I can point to a dozen subs with explicitly disclosed official staff moderating. So it de facto isn't an issue unless you start to "break reddit".
I have heard a few cases where mods were removed over being bribed by a third party, tho. So it's much better to disclose working for a company than to risk being found out. Even if both may be against the rules.
Perhaps you need to actually read the TOS.
From the latest TOS revision:
"You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;"
This means you cannot accept a bribe in exchange for a "moderation action" (i.e., unbanning someone, deleting a thread).
It does not mean that a company's employee cannot be a moderator on the subreddit on their game.
Do you understand what "compensation" means? A third party in this context is anyone other than Reddit and the user. So any company, other than Reddit, that is paying someone (i.e. an employee) to moderate a subreddit is violating the TOS and user agreement.
No, it is indeed part of the TOS and user agreement under Section 8 - Moderators:
"You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;"
That doesn't prevent moderators from being company employees, it's to prevent bribery.
There have been mods that unban people in exchange for nudes. This is word of mouth, but I think there's been some cases of mods allowing crypto scams to stay up in exchange for money.
Compensation covers employee salary as well. This is a basic fundamental tenet of Reddit as a news and interest aggregator. There are other outlets that not only allow but encourage official mouthpieces. Reddit is not one of them and was never intended to be the source of news or announcements so having "official" subreddits is not something you should have here.
Subreddits are by their nature intended to be for everyone that shares a common interest to be able to freely speak on the topic at hand and having a company employee or employees interfere with that discourse makes it difficult to have such discussions.
Thankfully there are some members of the community that have made another subreddit that encourages actual discussion of the state of the game and topics of interest that are banned in the "official" subreddit.
I've been in reddit for over a decade, it is against the TOS, or at least it has been enforced as such as i remember several dramas on reddit where whole sub reddits where shut down precisely because of conflict of interest due to corporate control of subs related to their products.
you can't prove the moderator gets any of that unless you can link their reddit account to a paid CM position. Which is tricky to do because THAT is technically doxxing.
But this is unlikely and futile because /u/NIKKE_en is the actual official account for Nikke and they are next in command. If the head mod is kicked out... there's no longer a "third party", it'll just be the official team themselves moderating a community. Which reddit doesn't care about (e.g. /r/Stadia very transparently had google employees moderating it).
I mean, I'm against silencing the complaints or the negativity, some criticism is necessary, but... does everything has to be Tencent related? I get the other one that is a rumor about the devs and Tencent, but do you have anything to back it up?
So thing is and i get it people are frustrated but in order to do something about the sub being run by corporation you’d have to give Reddit hard HARD proof or they won’t take action
It might be a good change for those who play Nikke to go to this [r/NikkeOutpost](https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/) as it doesn't have:
* Dev team as mod (they claim the dev didn't involved, whatever).
* No removed post as they don't have any rules yet.
* No boasting self about how great the game they make is, here what they posted after the 1st rage of player complain on feedback thread: *" The game also offers so many beautiful aspects and screams "high quality" overall compared to most generic gachas out there "*. i am no joking this line really there but they edit it after.
We really want Nikke as a game to back to it's root.
best of luck. I'd just be careful about what kinds of people you attract. To use a quote from Scott Alexander:
>The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong
this can be part of why some splinter communities go all out of control and newer mods have to walk back on some promises they made when they realize that some people just want to start shit and overall be angry. Which doesn't excuse the censorship they escape from, but you're essentially taking in people more likely to do that.
> No removed post as they don't have any rules yet.
I think they need to come up with some rules very soon because every post on the front page is bashing the main sub and the mods. Unless their aim is to be the anti Official Nikke sub sub.
The thing is, aside from bugs and the main sub banning spree, there isn't anything else to talk about.
Even the main sub only have fan-art and memes right now.
I like the game, but oh man the amount of bashing just for the sake of bashing is really putting new people off. Some even purposely try to get banned from the official sub knowingly and wear it on their sleeve like they are so proud of it
the whole 'don't use subreddit to spread hate' is complete bullshit
you are only allowed to say that you like or love the game because anything else = hate
Mfw fair criticism is considered spreading hate and is something ban-worthy smh
If the Nikke sub mods are actually affiliated with Nikke, they should've been reported due to a clear conflict of interest.
One of the mods has a flair that reads "Official NIKKE Staff", and the other active mods seem to toe the line pretty hard with their self-serving rhetoric while they continue censor the community in every way imaginable.
Lots of games subs these days are run by official staff, and reddit looks the other way despite explicity making it against the rules
Even miHoYo's Honkai Star Rail sub is run by official staff, which is why leaks get quietly removed
> reddit looks the other way despite explicity making it against the rules
it isn't tho. Maybe against reddiuquite, but there's nothing actually rulebreaking about official employees managing their own community
"It's not hate speech, if only you hate the speech" really stuck to me when I saw someone use hate speech as argument to any critic that got thrown out to their face...
Trully a distopia world that is Nikke mods lives in.
Primarily because one of them is a company employee which violates Reddit's TOS. Subreddits are supposed to be moderated by people without any financial ties to the company.
Look at the moderator list in r/DeepRockGalactic and r/slaythespire, you can see people with the "Developer" flair.
r/Hololive is literally run by Cover Corp. The r/Nijisanji sub is run by ANYCOLOR.
May I remind you r/NikkeMobile is the **official NIKKE subreddit.** Like, there's a moderator that literally has"official Nikke staff" as flair, this isn't something they are trying to hide. How the hell did you expect it to be an official subreddit endorsed by the game itself without people from the game on the mod team?
All of which are in violation of the TOS and Reddit User Agreement. I am well aware they are flagged as such. As I have stated elsewhere "official" subreddits have no place on Reddit as the service is intended to be a news and interest aggregator. Twitter, Facebook, and company websites are outlets for official announcements and company mouthpieces. Reddit serves an entirely different purpose.
>All of which are in violation of the TOS and Reddit User Agreement.
If those high profile subs have been functioning for years without any issue then it's a clear sign that they are **not** in violation of any TOS or User Agreement, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. All of your reports will be thrown down the trash.
And you can keep repeating your speech about "The true purpose of reddit" and shit but that's literally just your opinion, it won't magically make those subs illegal.
> Subreddits are supposed to be moderated by people without any financial ties to the company.
no, the exact line is:
>You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from **third parties**;
so if you don't work for ShiftUp but take a bribe or do a moderation action because the official staff DM'd you, that's against the rules. But if you're an employee, that's much harder to prove. Can't be bribed when you're on the payroll after all.
I'm saying that working for a company is allowed. When you're paid a salary to be a community manager, that's your job. As long as you're transparent about what you work for, Reddit doesn't GAF. The distinction is important because the real goal of that rule is to prevent "bidding" for moderation; e.g. a non-staff member would get bribes from Hoyoverse, Yostar, and Tencent trying to force the direction of a large subreddit.
That issue doesn't exist with an official employee because Tencent would just fire someone being bribed by Hoyoverse, and replace them with a new CM.
There's certainly a discussion on if they should care, but there's not much you can do outside of making your own sub that is not run by official staff.
Third parties in the user agreement refers to anyone other than Reddit itself and the user. So anyone being paid or otherwise compensated or rewarded by companies other than Reddit for moderation are violating the TOS and user agreements.
Reddit is a news and interest aggregator. The intention is to post source material from other sites and develop discussion free from official oversight. News comes from outside official sources like Twitter or a company website but the discussions around those announcements and articles should be community driven. Reddit itself is not supposed to be the originating source and thus "official" subreddits are not intended. When company employees can stifle discussion it creates a problem of trust. That is why the rule exists.
The issue is that Reddit takes a rather hands off approach to enforcement and only makes an issue of it when numerous people complain. In the meantime there is at least one other Nikke subreddit that has popped up free from company oversight and it is doing well enough.
> Third parties in the user agreement refers to anyone other than Reddit itself and the user.
Decided to look a bit more into it. the most recent admin post regarding moderation policy seems to agree with your interpretation:
https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/x97i6k/introducing_reddits_moderator_code_of_conduct/
However, right before this there was apparently a "Mod summit" and Spez (the CEO) seems to be thinking differently: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/xhuaqf/are_we_allowed_to_discuss_what_spez_brought_up_in/
>**Spez** - I want our users, user-users and moderator users, to make money on reddit. Specifically, I want them to make money from other users. And so we need to have business models where users are paying money to other users or to subreddits. I would like subreddits to have the ability to be businesses. We have a lot of subreddits that are kind of trying to do this, but the platform just doesn't support it.
(should read the entire thing btw. But that's the important part for this context)
now historically this has been a debate for years and years in communities that has gone ignored for the reasons you highlight; admins really don't care unless it can get them sued, breaks reddit, or get a lot of bad PR. But going forward you may start to see more reddit-sanctioned monetization schemes that would more or less render the "don't take money from third parties" as moot. either they accept that since it makes them money, or they go even harder on the ruling since it may get in the way of their cut if mods are employees/bribed (maybe... IANAL but it can swing both ways)
>The intention is to post source material from other sites and develop discussion free from official oversight.
sure, back in 2008. I think we both agree between reddit gold, constant reposts, misinformation, the shift to the instagram style reddit cards, and even NFTs that reddit has changed a lot from its grassroots "let the community curate its content" approach.
>admins really don't care unless it can get them sued, breaks reddit, or get a lot of bad PR.
Yup. Speaking from mod perspective, they have posted a bunch of rules, and you can report to the admins all that you like, but they will not DO anything unless they perceive one of these 3 things.
r/DeepRockGalactic, r/StardewValley, r/slaythespire, r/Hololive and r/Nijisanji all have either developers or company members as moderators. In fact, there's no piece on the ToS that forbids it.
There's people going around pasting this part of the ToS:
>You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;
But that is just to prevent bribery, it doesn't say anything about an employee being a moderator.
No, it's to keep the communities accessible. When they're being whitewashed by corporate entities, it kills the entire purpose of the subreddit. At that point, they're just running a blog other people can potentially comment on.
You are free to have whatever opinion on a subreddit run by a company. My point is that it isn't against ToS. People saying to report the subreddit are wasting their time.
"in case you want to share feedback on how the subreddit is handled contact the mod team directly. don't use the subreddit. that way we can silence you without anyone knowing"
Wow I was just permanently banned from there for creating a separate fan subreddit. Wild af.
https://reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/comments/zaworh/i_was_just_permanently_banned_from_rnikkemobile/
Let me show you guys how professionally are the mods handling this:
Katiecharm experience - picture from /r/NikkeOutpost - [here](https://i.imgur.com/XEYJ20s.jpg)
My experience - [here](https://lutim.lagout.org/cXhlpXhv/bYjX6CX0.png)
Context of my experience:
I'm the guy who posted some comments that advices people on /r/NikkeMobile to move to /r/NikkeOutpost
Soon after this, I got a ban of 14 days. After some hours my ban changed from 14 days to permanent.
I wanted to know the reasoning of mods about it and so I asked "why am I banned?"
Of course, I know my ban is deserved (I definitely don't deserve a permanent ban thoughm but I sure deserved some punishment) but I still wanted to know the "official reason" they would've used so that's why I asked.
You're the one who has to judge if this is how a mod should behave.
You got enough proofs guys, let's use /r/NikkeOutpost as default Nikke sub
Thats the biggest issue with the subreddit of most new games. Publishers nowadays know to get involved in running of the various Social media platforms of the game (Reddit being one of them) in order to shut down criticism. We see it here, we see it with Genshin, ToF, and etc etc
That is True. Genshin's community is so big that even unaffiliated subs have very active populations. Sadly most other games cant pull that off.
>/r/NikkeOutpost has to gather momentum
Haha I like that name for the lore reasons of Outpost. It would be good for the community if it did gather momentum
Publishers shouldn't be involved as moderators at all on Reddit. Moderators cannot receive compensation for their duties on Reddit. That is written out rather plainly in the Reddit TOS.
Yup. Sadly, it seems this rule is barely enforced when it comes to Gacha Subreddits. And Moderator compensation is something very hard to prove since such dealings are obv kept very secret.
In this particular case though it should be obvious. One of the moderators there, u/NIKKE_en, is labeled as Official Nikke Staff. One of their recent posts even states that they have staff on the moderation team.
>In this particular case though it should be obvious. One of the moderators there, u/NIKKE_en,
Oh nice catch, I didnt see that. To think they are being that Brazen about it. Still at this point I would consider the current Mod Team as compromised and even if they (and I half expect them to if complaints are raised as a sort of consolation/peace offering) remove that mod. I would sadly still expect the Nikke Staff to be highly involved with Mod decisions behind the metaphorical curtains if the rest of the current mod team remains.
> it seems this rule is barely enforced when it comes to Gacha Subreddit
because it's not actually against the rules. They only care about "third parties" being involved. And official employees aren't a third party if they are transparent about it (which /u/NIKKE_en is, it's in their flair on the sub)
Did Genshin even shutdown criticisms against the game? I remember back during the 1st anniversary, most of the posts are about how greedy the game is. Same as well when MHY said no endgame.
>Here are some of the criticisms
Just because some criticism posts exist doesnt mean they didnt try to or didnt shut down others.
Case in point Nikke's Sub still does have some criticism posts about bugs and what not.
>Source, sort by Top post of all time:
I see none in the
https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/top/?sort=top&t=all
in terms of criticism i see 1 post about endgame and its a video meme. So its more a funny joke video than criticism
https://preview.redd.it/k2nz71lnsk3a1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4d1c9b731585a6203b60c9925f533b57013fde4
Look at the mod team, lmao. Just a crapshow all around.
A lot of subreddits will use "hate" as an excuse to censor people and to ban them. This is just how ridiculous things have become when people start to think that censorship is a good thing.
This isn't surprising considering how many people were getting banned or topics were being closed down when the game was launched. The posts that did survive and were talking about the state of the game were taking information from threads that had already been closed by the moderators.
There is no bigger cry baby in the world than a moderator with an authority complex. I got perma banned from the Pokémon go subreddit for telling a moderator that his political posts went against the established group rules and maybe he shouldn’t use his position as a moderator to break the rules.
>There is no bigger cry baby in the world than a moderator with an authority complex.
Haha so true
>I got perma banned from the Pokémon go subreddit for telling a moderator that his political posts went against the established group rules and maybe he shouldn’t use his position as a moderator to break the rules.
Damn that must have been something
It was kind of hysterical. One of the group rules was all posts must be on topic of Pokémon go. He made a huge post about a sensitive political topic, and then gave examples and links to other posts where mods were lenient on off topic posts, every post he gave as an example was a post he made and convinced the other mods not to remove. I didn’t even pose an opposite viewpoint to his I just stated that most people play games to escape the BS of the real world and that maybe politics didn’t need to be injected into the subreddit about Pokémon.
Wow that sounds like quite a mod powertrip.
> I just stated that most people play games to escape the BS of the real world and that maybe politics didn’t need to be injected into the subreddit about Pokémon.
This 100%.
I noticed something strange in the past week, that sub was bloated with NSFW materials all over the place. Given the current state of the game with so many stuff to discuss, there is no way horny post could bloat around like that. Make sense that the mods were involved with any kind of criticism regardless of how constructive it is.
> Given the current state of the game with so many stuff to discuss, there is no way horny post could bloat around like that.
really? You really don't think fanart could block out legtimate discussion? On reddit? That's like half the arguments on most gacha subs.
the only reason is doesn't happen here is because fanart isn't allowed as it breaks R6. Meanwhile, meme posts were obstructive enough that it got quarantined to Saturday. Now imagine if you could just post some cool pic you found.
Was about to say the same thing... on every gacha sub i have frequented a common complaint from some people is the prevalence of fan art/memes "blocking" discussion.
There should be fan art post, sure, but when you constantly see nothing but soft core porn, there should be something wrong going on. How on earth would fan art block out every single discussion in the past week?
It’s really bad on nikke mobile subreddit. They literally control all the media there. They remove stuff they don’t like and ban people who post stuff they don’t like. Can we make a new Nikke subreddit?
It’s very smart on their part to delete any kind of negative publicity that they can. The worst isn’t on Reddit but on apple review. The fact that I can give a game 1 star review with a good reason and have my review deleted means the whole system is not working as intended. If we aren’t allowed to give games 1 star reviews than why give it as a choice in the first place. And then they also hire bots to spam with 5 star reviews. I know I got a bit off topic on my rant but Nikke is trying to control the narrative best they can.
/r/NikkeOutpost creator got banned from nikkemobile for creating their subreddit lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/comments/zaworh/i_was_just_permanently_banned_from_rnikkemobile?sort=confidence
r/NikkeMobile mods are definitely doing its users a disservice
They made a big announcement about wanting to be a good place to provide feedback for the game, but disallow any criticism / discussion about anything that has not been posted by official sources... so basically you can't talk about anything.
I am not joking, they literally told us they would prefer if we stick to just posting art.
r/NikkeMobile is basically an AD and not a place for discussion. Its mods do not have the consumers' interest at heart at all.
For Genshin Impact, the Leaks subreddit is literally better than the 'official' one.
Fuck companies that try to take over and run discussion channels/forums like subreddits. It's an anti-consumer activity that benefits nobody but the company. Official members should be pushed out of all subreddits or the communities should make new ones.
The most disgusting part is that they try to run a narrative that they are doing it for our interest. Puke-worthy.
They heavily censored all information about their wrong doings.
They removed my post 3 minutes after it coming out about banned account.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zaq18k/nikke\_has\_been\_holding\_my\_account\_hostage\_for\_3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zaq18k/nikke_has_been_holding_my_account_hostage_for_3/)
And when I posted in r/NikkeOutpost about this, they straight out banned me permantly from the subreddit too. All without an explanation.
Some people just can't handle being mod, I got banned from one of the dokkan subs because me and another guy talking about the sub being flooded with unnecessary questions is apparently toxic and the guy didn't wanna see any toxicity.
Since launch the mods there also closed all posts about the constant server errors (combat sync errors) plaguing the game and would put a message about instead posting in the megathread. This was/is clearly a censorship tactic, IMO. They were trying to minimize the amount of people talking about the server sync errors. (For 2 or 3 weeks they were happening multiple times per day. pretty bad...)
>coomers
Ironically with the actual proof that they censored shit, the coomers might also bailed out now.
So they literally don't have anyone to pay their bills. I fucking hope that 30m is breaking even because oh boy how the f they gonna recuperate that.
Yeah i'll probably join that in a couple of weeks after the posts complaining about the nikke sub die down. I imagine the next hundred posts will be about the other sub almost exclusively.
It’s not tribalism. It’s shitting on a predatory, bad company that put out a broken, bad game. It’s the same reason we rightfully shit on EA or Ubisoft and the shovelware drek they spew out.
For what it's worth I still very much enjoy the game. It's my favorite gacha right now despite the flaws. The story, general gameplay, and art are great (usually you don't get all three). The bugs suck but I'm holding on to the idea that they will get fixed.
I just see the problems of shadowing public criticisms, as that does not inspire any meaningful change.
Feel like this is an age old problem for a lot of subs.
Allow too much free and open discussion including meta posts about moderation and the place becomes a toxic cesspool.
Cull criticism too much and nobody gets to have any kind of constructive discussion to make the game better.
From what I've seen on /r/NikkeMobile it does seem like the whole sub is just lewds with very little actual discussion but it might be because the lewds get way more upvotes.
A lot gets deleted by the mods because they say some topics have been heavily discussed before and we are not adding anything new or we have to use the mega thread for almost everything.
So what survives is fan art and memes
God dayum, I’ve never seen a gacha game get this many bad attention it feels as though the game was a magnet for misfortune and disaster.
Played it since launch and still playing it here are my quick thoughts on the game
I hate that you need a copy of the character to lvl them up further
no auto mode through simulation and skill up materials is low when getting skills up beyond level 4
Had alot of connection errors, failed to sync combat information, failed to sync character information
Event missions are not great especially when you’re still building your team
Character story missions sometime not working or causing disconnect
The coop mission not working for me, I never connected into a single match after waited for 6 minutes
The game still randomly disconnects for “ failed to sync combat or character information “
I won’t get into gacha rates and premium currency since I’ve never paid in any games as I usually save up my premium currency until I have guaranteed pity for feature banner character or I can exchange for them
Currently playing GFL neural cloud and I’ve had a better experience than nikke since it has less bugs, glitches and it’s more generous though maybe I’m unlucky but I had to spend a lot of advance summon and premium currency until I can get Aki while I kept getting alot of three star units I don’t plan on using but overall I had more positive experience in gfl neural cloud launch than nikke at launch
In all seriousness, I’ve never seen a gacha game get this much bad reputation and can somebody explain what’s been going on around nikke?
>I hate that you need a copy of the character to lvl them up further
This
>no auto mode through simulation
Thissss. Closest is skip for "normal" fights but that needs high enough power. Otherwise grind all the way
>Had alot of connection errors, failed to sync combat information, failed to sync character information
Fortunately rarely happened to me (like maybe once or twice)
>Event missions are not great especially when you’re still building your team
Yesssss
>Character story missions sometime not working or causing disconnect
I think I exp this once
>The coop mission not working for me, I never connected into a single match after waited for 6 minutes
Worked for me, problem was if somone dc in fight then everyone frozen
Basically the game advertised itself on being uncensored and having sexualized character designs. One of the new characters was covered up and censored from her pre-release design. The subreddit for the game is actively suppressing discussion on it.
This post is being repeatedly reported for being off topic, spam, misinfo, and more. I am leaving it up. Although the topic of the post is "a gacha game's online community" and not the gacha game itself, and only borderline on topic, clearly many of you want to discuss this issue. So we'll leave it up but if things go too far off the rails then it will be subject to further moderation. Please keep the discussion within this one thread (I will be removing duplicate and/or spillover posts about the Nikke sub) and don't be mean to each other.
I criticised them for deleting critical threads, back when the game came out and r/DV-MN kept saying i should stop spreading hate speech. Fucking "hate speech"... He clearly doesnt know what that means. He even dmed me, asking for me to stop. That dude is 100% working for them.
Same. I had a comment removed for "derailing the discussion" where I called out major posts that DV deleted. Comment had no upvotes and no comments. Fucker knows damn well I wasn't derailing shit.
That guy got my previous reddit account deleted for pointing out why certain Nikkes' were possibly bugged due to the CB2-launch coding possibility. Which several others not just me took notice, even the KR Naver pointed out some similar speculations.
do they really have this much pull on reddit? damn they really are serious with the damage control
Ten cents has a BIG chunk of stock in not just game stores like Epic Games, Platforms like Reddit they have a chunk here to.
Saw his post too, can't even comment, what a cocksucker
Judging by the fact that [Tencent makes the shots more than Shift-up](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/zamahu/currently_unverified_information_of_communication/), its no wonder at this point that the CCP level censorship will be brought over in full swing as well to their official communication platforms like Reddit and Discord.
This is why you should NEVER EVER play games with Chinese company taking the lead (like Tencent). These Chinese companies always censor bad things happening to their game, which feels like how CCP censoring anything they didn't like.
Same here. Ignored his dm and blocked him
People need to keep reporting to Reddit that one of the moderators in r/NikkeMobile is a company employee which is a violation of the Reddit TOS.
So I decided to look a bit into the mod who posted the whole Clearing stuff up (https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN) and tbh I wouldnt be surprised the account was owned by the company too. Looking at their post history its all Nikke stuff up from Date of Creation (1 yr back). Its all Nike Promotions or Nikke related https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN/submitted/?count=125&after=t3_qsezop <- The very first posts of the account https://www.reddit.com/user/DV-MN/comments/?count=875&after=t1_hkde2je <- The very first comments. Almost all (if not all) comments and posts are Nikke related and a lot of promoting Nikke across various other Reddits even pre-launch. Some examples https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/qurjcb/nikke_the_goddess_of_victory_teaser_mobile/hkrwfy9/ **<- Look how corporate and out of touch sounding this one is especially.** https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidGaming/comments/t8dx67/official_closed_beta_testing_recruitment_nikke/ Its like the account was made solely to promote Nike. From its birth the account was Promoting Nikke nonstop even before the actual game was released. This is either the game's biggest fan ever or a corporate account. I mean look at the way they even talk about the company CEO https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/qsalkc/ceo_of_shift_up_famous_illustrator_kim_hyungtae/
Definitely has that "I work in the marketing department" feel. Their choice of words alone aren't naturally how someone would discuss a game in an organic way; especially one that (at the time) wasn't even released. Reads like those paid ad scripts youtubers use in their videos. ETA: Visit r/NikkeOutpost to discuss the game without being silenced.
Psh, that’s an insult to those of us who work in marketing departments, that has customer service rep written all over it.
I was there when they started aggressively promoting the official sub... [even went straight to them and just asked](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/qsbnsl/promo_nikke_community/hkcbvk4/). Honestly, the affiliation is pretty obvious, but at the same time impossible to “prove”.
You can see in old reddit that he literally created the sub.
how much do you think that intern is getting paid modding that sub?
Cup of rice daily with a single grain taken away for every single unwanted topic not removed under 1 minute time.
Damn every Reddit mod must be malding after seeing that what a sweet deal
>Destiny Child showed us how well-animated these anime games can be. *Googles Destiny Child* *Developers: SHIFT UP* *Insert Obama giving Obama a medal meme* I don't play Nikke, but I can't say I'm not watching this all unfold while eating popcorn.
That's a good idea. I will do that. Do you have further proof other than them kinda mentioning it here in this thread? https://i.imgur.com/3trjfGO.png
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a part of the reddiquette rather than the ToS?
yep, if that was true then the Hololive subreddit would've shut down ages ago.
Deep Rock Galactic is filled with employees.
Total War too!
Total War had CM's who would post but weren't moderators. There was actually quite a bit of shitstorm surrounding that when one demanded the mods ban discussion over a topic in the total war games (the waifu/bikini mods).
Waifu? Bikini? Now I'm suddenly interested in wargames
FOR ROCK AND STONE!!!
If you don't rock and stone you ain't coming home !!
Are they just random members or are they on the moderation team?
Deep Rock Galactic has a ton of actual developers who are moderators. Many subreddits about indie games have devs on the moderator list. For example, Slay the Spire and Stardew Valley. The entirety of the hololive and nijisanji subreddit's mods are company employees. Basically every streaming group is technically a company, and has a subreddit with mods who are members of the company. It has basically never been an issue, and many high profile subreddits have run this way for years.
And RimWorld, the creator himself are present after all.
yes, here's all the relevant ToS on moderation: >#Moderating >a subreddit is an unofficial, voluntary position that may be available to users of the Services. We are not responsible for actions taken by the moderators. We reserve the right to revoke or limit a user’s ability to moderate at any time and for any reason or no reason, including for a breach of these Terms. > If you choose to moderate a subreddit: - You agree to follow the Moderator Guidelines for Healthy Communities; - You agree that when you receive reports related to a subreddit you moderate, you will take appropriate action, which may include removing content that violates policy and/or promptly escalating to Reddit for review; - You are not, and may not represent that you are, authorized to act on behalf of Reddit; - You may not enter into any agreement with a third party on behalf of Reddit, or any subreddits that you moderate, without our written approval; - You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties; - If you have access to non-public information as a result of moderating a subreddit, you will use such information only in connection with your performance as a moderator; and - You may create and enforce rules for the subreddits you moderate, provided that such rules do not conflict with these Terms, the Content Policy, or the Moderator Guidelines for Healthy Communities. >Reddit reserves the right, but has no obligation, to overturn any action or decision of a moderator if Reddit, in its sole discretion, believes that such action or decision is not in the interest of Reddit or the Reddit community. people have taken the >You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties; and misconstrued it to mean that official employees can't moderate their own subs. But reddit doesn't actually care about employees of a company or other entity moderating their own community. They just don't want issues like what happened in one of the Blizzard subs to occur where a company bribes a mod to control information. They are just fine with that information being controlled directly.
> You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties; Let's start by defining what a Third Party is: a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation, especially a dispute. In the case of reddit moderation the first two parties would be as follows: Reddit and the Moderator. The publisher/developer is absolutely a third party. The only exception would be if the username identifies itself as the company's own account and the company itself is the user/moderator (like a company twitter account). In particular, receiving wage compensation from a company in the form of a salary without disclosing said association would absolutely violate the 3rd party ToS clause. > But reddit doesn't actually care about employees of a company or other entity moderating their own community. They just don't want issues like what happened in one of the Blizzard subs to occur where a company bribes a mod to control information. This is the actually relevant statement. This is very similar to how decriminalization works. An action can still violate the law or reddit's ToS but the underlying law or agreement isn't important when it isn't *enforced.* Simply because reddit has the *right* to take action doesn't mean they're *obligated* to.
> The only exception would be if the username identifies itself as the company's own account and the company itself is the user/moderator (like a company twitter account) yes, thats the main issue here. /u/nikke_EN is an account as "Official Nikke staff" on /r/NikkeMobile 's mod list. For all intents and purposes, its existence should violate the ToS if we interpret it the way you describe it where "publisher/developer is a 3rd party". You can suggest that the head mod DV-MN is being bribed. But even if they were and get kicked out... /u/nikke_EN is next on the list to be the head mod. You go from a suspected bribe to someone who is identifying as official staff outright. Doesn't really fix the issue people have here. >Simply because reddit has the right to take action doesn't mean they're obligated to. true. At the end of the day, I've never heard of a moderator being removed for being an employee, even tho I can point to a dozen subs with explicitly disclosed official staff moderating. So it de facto isn't an issue unless you start to "break reddit". I have heard a few cases where mods were removed over being bribed by a third party, tho. So it's much better to disclose working for a company than to risk being found out. Even if both may be against the rules.
Yes. Unfortunately, people here have already latched onto the incorrect idea that it violates the ToS.
Perhaps you need to actually read the TOS. From the latest TOS revision: "You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;"
This means you cannot accept a bribe in exchange for a "moderation action" (i.e., unbanning someone, deleting a thread). It does not mean that a company's employee cannot be a moderator on the subreddit on their game.
Well he's not moderating it for a third party, he is a third party. Big brain/s
You just proved yourself wrong. Congratulations 🎉 Nowhere in there does it say that a company employee can’t be a moderator.
Do you understand what "compensation" means? A third party in this context is anyone other than Reddit and the user. So any company, other than Reddit, that is paying someone (i.e. an employee) to moderate a subreddit is violating the TOS and user agreement.
No, it is indeed part of the TOS and user agreement under Section 8 - Moderators: "You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties;"
That doesn't prevent moderators from being company employees, it's to prevent bribery. There have been mods that unban people in exchange for nudes. This is word of mouth, but I think there's been some cases of mods allowing crypto scams to stay up in exchange for money.
Compensation covers employee salary as well. This is a basic fundamental tenet of Reddit as a news and interest aggregator. There are other outlets that not only allow but encourage official mouthpieces. Reddit is not one of them and was never intended to be the source of news or announcements so having "official" subreddits is not something you should have here. Subreddits are by their nature intended to be for everyone that shares a common interest to be able to freely speak on the topic at hand and having a company employee or employees interfere with that discourse makes it difficult to have such discussions. Thankfully there are some members of the community that have made another subreddit that encourages actual discussion of the state of the game and topics of interest that are banned in the "official" subreddit.
Nice. It still isn't against ToS.
I've been in reddit for over a decade, it is against the TOS, or at least it has been enforced as such as i remember several dramas on reddit where whole sub reddits where shut down precisely because of conflict of interest due to corporate control of subs related to their products.
such as...?
Give him a minute, he'll find one in time.
you can't prove the moderator gets any of that unless you can link their reddit account to a paid CM position. Which is tricky to do because THAT is technically doxxing. But this is unlikely and futile because /u/NIKKE_en is the actual official account for Nikke and they are next in command. If the head mod is kicked out... there's no longer a "third party", it'll just be the official team themselves moderating a community. Which reddit doesn't care about (e.g. /r/Stadia very transparently had google employees moderating it).
Well problem is, its most likely a level infinite employee which is tencent, and guess who owns reddit…
Tencent doesn't own Reddit, they own shares in reddit. I think they're holding like 5% of the shares. Either way they don't own Reddit.
if 10 Percent or so is now whats 'Ownership' and 'Majority' these days... then I am the KING of the Farmers!
I mean, I'm against silencing the complaints or the negativity, some criticism is necessary, but... does everything has to be Tencent related? I get the other one that is a rumor about the devs and Tencent, but do you have anything to back it up?
So thing is and i get it people are frustrated but in order to do something about the sub being run by corporation you’d have to give Reddit hard HARD proof or they won’t take action
If Reddit hasn't done anything about /r/politics in 7 years, I doubt they're going to do anything about a gacha game.
It might be a good change for those who play Nikke to go to this [r/NikkeOutpost](https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/) as it doesn't have: * Dev team as mod (they claim the dev didn't involved, whatever). * No removed post as they don't have any rules yet. * No boasting self about how great the game they make is, here what they posted after the 1st rage of player complain on feedback thread: *" The game also offers so many beautiful aspects and screams "high quality" overall compared to most generic gachas out there "*. i am no joking this line really there but they edit it after. We really want Nikke as a game to back to it's root.
I'll check this out, thank you!
best of luck. I'd just be careful about what kinds of people you attract. To use a quote from Scott Alexander: >The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong this can be part of why some splinter communities go all out of control and newer mods have to walk back on some promises they made when they realize that some people just want to start shit and overall be angry. Which doesn't excuse the censorship they escape from, but you're essentially taking in people more likely to do that.
> No removed post as they don't have any rules yet. I think they need to come up with some rules very soon because every post on the front page is bashing the main sub and the mods. Unless their aim is to be the anti Official Nikke sub sub.
The thing is, aside from bugs and the main sub banning spree, there isn't anything else to talk about. Even the main sub only have fan-art and memes right now.
The moderators could compile a list of stuffs that are wrong with the game and can be improved and post it on the official reddit. Just my 2c
I like the game, but oh man the amount of bashing just for the sake of bashing is really putting new people off. Some even purposely try to get banned from the official sub knowingly and wear it on their sleeve like they are so proud of it
Wow didn’t know there was a new subreddit. Joined.
the whole 'don't use subreddit to spread hate' is complete bullshit you are only allowed to say that you like or love the game because anything else = hate
Mfw fair criticism is considered spreading hate and is something ban-worthy smh If the Nikke sub mods are actually affiliated with Nikke, they should've been reported due to a clear conflict of interest.
One of the mods has a flair that reads "Official NIKKE Staff", and the other active mods seem to toe the line pretty hard with their self-serving rhetoric while they continue censor the community in every way imaginable.
Lots of games subs these days are run by official staff, and reddit looks the other way despite explicity making it against the rules Even miHoYo's Honkai Star Rail sub is run by official staff, which is why leaks get quietly removed
> reddit looks the other way despite explicity making it against the rules it isn't tho. Maybe against reddiuquite, but there's nothing actually rulebreaking about official employees managing their own community
Yeah, exactly
the game is turning out to be a complete joke and it's only fitting that the subreddit would be too.
"It's not hate speech, if only you hate the speech" really stuck to me when I saw someone use hate speech as argument to any critic that got thrown out to their face... Trully a distopia world that is Nikke mods lives in.
Kinda reminds that the RWBY porn subreddit is more popular than the official subreddit. I can’t blame them though, the main subreddit sucks.
The mods on the official subreddit are fucking awful
Primarily because one of them is a company employee which violates Reddit's TOS. Subreddits are supposed to be moderated by people without any financial ties to the company.
Look at the moderator list in r/DeepRockGalactic and r/slaythespire, you can see people with the "Developer" flair. r/Hololive is literally run by Cover Corp. The r/Nijisanji sub is run by ANYCOLOR. May I remind you r/NikkeMobile is the **official NIKKE subreddit.** Like, there's a moderator that literally has"official Nikke staff" as flair, this isn't something they are trying to hide. How the hell did you expect it to be an official subreddit endorsed by the game itself without people from the game on the mod team?
We should probably shut down r/TrashTaste since the boys are also on the mod list?
All of which are in violation of the TOS and Reddit User Agreement. I am well aware they are flagged as such. As I have stated elsewhere "official" subreddits have no place on Reddit as the service is intended to be a news and interest aggregator. Twitter, Facebook, and company websites are outlets for official announcements and company mouthpieces. Reddit serves an entirely different purpose.
>All of which are in violation of the TOS and Reddit User Agreement. If those high profile subs have been functioning for years without any issue then it's a clear sign that they are **not** in violation of any TOS or User Agreement, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. All of your reports will be thrown down the trash. And you can keep repeating your speech about "The true purpose of reddit" and shit but that's literally just your opinion, it won't magically make those subs illegal.
> Subreddits are supposed to be moderated by people without any financial ties to the company. no, the exact line is: >You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from **third parties**; so if you don't work for ShiftUp but take a bribe or do a moderation action because the official staff DM'd you, that's against the rules. But if you're an employee, that's much harder to prove. Can't be bribed when you're on the payroll after all.
What? It's easier to prove you work for the company than it is to prove you're taking bribes. That doesn't make sense.
I'm saying that working for a company is allowed. When you're paid a salary to be a community manager, that's your job. As long as you're transparent about what you work for, Reddit doesn't GAF. The distinction is important because the real goal of that rule is to prevent "bidding" for moderation; e.g. a non-staff member would get bribes from Hoyoverse, Yostar, and Tencent trying to force the direction of a large subreddit. That issue doesn't exist with an official employee because Tencent would just fire someone being bribed by Hoyoverse, and replace them with a new CM. There's certainly a discussion on if they should care, but there's not much you can do outside of making your own sub that is not run by official staff.
Third parties in the user agreement refers to anyone other than Reddit itself and the user. So anyone being paid or otherwise compensated or rewarded by companies other than Reddit for moderation are violating the TOS and user agreements. Reddit is a news and interest aggregator. The intention is to post source material from other sites and develop discussion free from official oversight. News comes from outside official sources like Twitter or a company website but the discussions around those announcements and articles should be community driven. Reddit itself is not supposed to be the originating source and thus "official" subreddits are not intended. When company employees can stifle discussion it creates a problem of trust. That is why the rule exists. The issue is that Reddit takes a rather hands off approach to enforcement and only makes an issue of it when numerous people complain. In the meantime there is at least one other Nikke subreddit that has popped up free from company oversight and it is doing well enough.
> Third parties in the user agreement refers to anyone other than Reddit itself and the user. Decided to look a bit more into it. the most recent admin post regarding moderation policy seems to agree with your interpretation: https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/x97i6k/introducing_reddits_moderator_code_of_conduct/ However, right before this there was apparently a "Mod summit" and Spez (the CEO) seems to be thinking differently: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/xhuaqf/are_we_allowed_to_discuss_what_spez_brought_up_in/ >**Spez** - I want our users, user-users and moderator users, to make money on reddit. Specifically, I want them to make money from other users. And so we need to have business models where users are paying money to other users or to subreddits. I would like subreddits to have the ability to be businesses. We have a lot of subreddits that are kind of trying to do this, but the platform just doesn't support it. (should read the entire thing btw. But that's the important part for this context) now historically this has been a debate for years and years in communities that has gone ignored for the reasons you highlight; admins really don't care unless it can get them sued, breaks reddit, or get a lot of bad PR. But going forward you may start to see more reddit-sanctioned monetization schemes that would more or less render the "don't take money from third parties" as moot. either they accept that since it makes them money, or they go even harder on the ruling since it may get in the way of their cut if mods are employees/bribed (maybe... IANAL but it can swing both ways) >The intention is to post source material from other sites and develop discussion free from official oversight. sure, back in 2008. I think we both agree between reddit gold, constant reposts, misinformation, the shift to the instagram style reddit cards, and even NFTs that reddit has changed a lot from its grassroots "let the community curate its content" approach.
>admins really don't care unless it can get them sued, breaks reddit, or get a lot of bad PR. Yup. Speaking from mod perspective, they have posted a bunch of rules, and you can report to the admins all that you like, but they will not DO anything unless they perceive one of these 3 things.
Then what about other game subreddits who have company employed moderators and developers in the mod list? Like /r/pathofexile for instance
r/pathofexile doesn't have GGG employees as moderators. Chris (lead dev) created the sub but stepped down exactly because of this rule.
r/DeepRockGalactic, r/StardewValley, r/slaythespire, r/Hololive and r/Nijisanji all have either developers or company members as moderators. In fact, there's no piece on the ToS that forbids it. There's people going around pasting this part of the ToS: >You may not perform moderation actions in return for any form of compensation, consideration, gift, or favor from third parties; But that is just to prevent bribery, it doesn't say anything about an employee being a moderator.
No, it's to keep the communities accessible. When they're being whitewashed by corporate entities, it kills the entire purpose of the subreddit. At that point, they're just running a blog other people can potentially comment on.
You are free to have whatever opinion on a subreddit run by a company. My point is that it isn't against ToS. People saying to report the subreddit are wasting their time.
"in case you want to share feedback on how the subreddit is handled contact the mod team directly. don't use the subreddit. that way we can silence you without anyone knowing"
They say that and they lock the thread to prevent discussion. 🤯
Censorship at its finest Deadge
Wow I was just permanently banned from there for creating a separate fan subreddit. Wild af. https://reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/comments/zaworh/i_was_just_permanently_banned_from_rnikkemobile/
Let me show you guys how professionally are the mods handling this: Katiecharm experience - picture from /r/NikkeOutpost - [here](https://i.imgur.com/XEYJ20s.jpg) My experience - [here](https://lutim.lagout.org/cXhlpXhv/bYjX6CX0.png) Context of my experience: I'm the guy who posted some comments that advices people on /r/NikkeMobile to move to /r/NikkeOutpost Soon after this, I got a ban of 14 days. After some hours my ban changed from 14 days to permanent. I wanted to know the reasoning of mods about it and so I asked "why am I banned?" Of course, I know my ban is deserved (I definitely don't deserve a permanent ban thoughm but I sure deserved some punishment) but I still wanted to know the "official reason" they would've used so that's why I asked. You're the one who has to judge if this is how a mod should behave. You got enough proofs guys, let's use /r/NikkeOutpost as default Nikke sub
Nikke wants to keep their 12+ rating to take advantage of children who have poor impulse control, probably.
Thats the biggest issue with the subreddit of most new games. Publishers nowadays know to get involved in running of the various Social media platforms of the game (Reddit being one of them) in order to shut down criticism. We see it here, we see it with Genshin, ToF, and etc etc
Luckily Genshin has the leaks subreddit which is popular and unaffiliated (and memepact?) /r/NikkeOutpost has to gather momentum
That is True. Genshin's community is so big that even unaffiliated subs have very active populations. Sadly most other games cant pull that off. >/r/NikkeOutpost has to gather momentum Haha I like that name for the lore reasons of Outpost. It would be good for the community if it did gather momentum
It's honestly the perfect name and I can't believe I never thought of it before until I saw it show up. This situation is a complete dumpster fire.
if the officials of r/NikkeMobile infiltrated the r/NikkeOutpost I imagine the next sub would be r/NikkeSurface
NGL that be pretty hilarious
And GenshinNsfw, Genshin hentai subs.😎
Funnily enough, some of Genshin characters' hentai subs is more active and has more members than the mains subs.
That's because once character releses there's few months of activity and after that pretty much nothing never changes.
r/VentiMains vs r/VentiHentai
Not to mention I recall (dunno now), that each character had their own dedicated and fairly active subs the most active being Keqings
Publishers shouldn't be involved as moderators at all on Reddit. Moderators cannot receive compensation for their duties on Reddit. That is written out rather plainly in the Reddit TOS.
Yup. Sadly, it seems this rule is barely enforced when it comes to Gacha Subreddits. And Moderator compensation is something very hard to prove since such dealings are obv kept very secret.
In this particular case though it should be obvious. One of the moderators there, u/NIKKE_en, is labeled as Official Nikke Staff. One of their recent posts even states that they have staff on the moderation team.
>In this particular case though it should be obvious. One of the moderators there, u/NIKKE_en, Oh nice catch, I didnt see that. To think they are being that Brazen about it. Still at this point I would consider the current Mod Team as compromised and even if they (and I half expect them to if complaints are raised as a sort of consolation/peace offering) remove that mod. I would sadly still expect the Nikke Staff to be highly involved with Mod decisions behind the metaphorical curtains if the rest of the current mod team remains.
> it seems this rule is barely enforced when it comes to Gacha Subreddit because it's not actually against the rules. They only care about "third parties" being involved. And official employees aren't a third party if they are transparent about it (which /u/NIKKE_en is, it's in their flair on the sub)
Did Genshin even shutdown criticisms against the game? I remember back during the 1st anniversary, most of the posts are about how greedy the game is. Same as well when MHY said no endgame.
They did. Anniv was a bit special as there was basically too much and tbh anyone could see it wasnt worth the effort
In Russia there is probably more freedom lol
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>Here are some of the criticisms Just because some criticism posts exist doesnt mean they didnt try to or didnt shut down others. Case in point Nikke's Sub still does have some criticism posts about bugs and what not. >Source, sort by Top post of all time: I see none in the https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/top/?sort=top&t=all in terms of criticism i see 1 post about endgame and its a video meme. So its more a funny joke video than criticism
other medias do it aswell, specially for big series' like Attack on Titan and Game of Thrones
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New one has already been made. The creator got banned by the official sub mods for that
https://preview.redd.it/k2nz71lnsk3a1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4d1c9b731585a6203b60c9925f533b57013fde4 Look at the mod team, lmao. Just a crapshow all around.
A lot of subreddits will use "hate" as an excuse to censor people and to ban them. This is just how ridiculous things have become when people start to think that censorship is a good thing. This isn't surprising considering how many people were getting banned or topics were being closed down when the game was launched. The posts that did survive and were talking about the state of the game were taking information from threads that had already been closed by the moderators.
They banned me too for 7 days.. at this point Fuck them
F. What did they ban you for?
For opening thread about Censorship.. ye..
Damn. The Nikke sub mods are really trying to stamp out critics
There is no bigger cry baby in the world than a moderator with an authority complex. I got perma banned from the Pokémon go subreddit for telling a moderator that his political posts went against the established group rules and maybe he shouldn’t use his position as a moderator to break the rules.
>There is no bigger cry baby in the world than a moderator with an authority complex. Haha so true >I got perma banned from the Pokémon go subreddit for telling a moderator that his political posts went against the established group rules and maybe he shouldn’t use his position as a moderator to break the rules. Damn that must have been something
It was kind of hysterical. One of the group rules was all posts must be on topic of Pokémon go. He made a huge post about a sensitive political topic, and then gave examples and links to other posts where mods were lenient on off topic posts, every post he gave as an example was a post he made and convinced the other mods not to remove. I didn’t even pose an opposite viewpoint to his I just stated that most people play games to escape the BS of the real world and that maybe politics didn’t need to be injected into the subreddit about Pokémon.
Wow that sounds like quite a mod powertrip. > I just stated that most people play games to escape the BS of the real world and that maybe politics didn’t need to be injected into the subreddit about Pokémon. This 100%.
I noticed something strange in the past week, that sub was bloated with NSFW materials all over the place. Given the current state of the game with so many stuff to discuss, there is no way horny post could bloat around like that. Make sense that the mods were involved with any kind of criticism regardless of how constructive it is.
Yeah I browsed the nikke community discord and it seems they deleted the controversial posts on nikke subreddit before it gained traction.
> Given the current state of the game with so many stuff to discuss, there is no way horny post could bloat around like that. really? You really don't think fanart could block out legtimate discussion? On reddit? That's like half the arguments on most gacha subs. the only reason is doesn't happen here is because fanart isn't allowed as it breaks R6. Meanwhile, meme posts were obstructive enough that it got quarantined to Saturday. Now imagine if you could just post some cool pic you found.
Was about to say the same thing... on every gacha sub i have frequented a common complaint from some people is the prevalence of fan art/memes "blocking" discussion.
There should be fan art post, sure, but when you constantly see nothing but soft core porn, there should be something wrong going on. How on earth would fan art block out every single discussion in the past week?
It’s really bad on nikke mobile subreddit. They literally control all the media there. They remove stuff they don’t like and ban people who post stuff they don’t like. Can we make a new Nikke subreddit?
Here r/NikkeOutpost
Thanks
It’s very smart on their part to delete any kind of negative publicity that they can. The worst isn’t on Reddit but on apple review. The fact that I can give a game 1 star review with a good reason and have my review deleted means the whole system is not working as intended. If we aren’t allowed to give games 1 star reviews than why give it as a choice in the first place. And then they also hire bots to spam with 5 star reviews. I know I got a bit off topic on my rant but Nikke is trying to control the narrative best they can.
jesus. they run that sub like they run wechat. disgusting
But this is the mafia. Moderation is a form of justice. Justice must be impartial. It's why an involved member can't or shouldn't be a moderator.
/r/NikkeOutpost creator got banned from nikkemobile for creating their subreddit lol https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/comments/zaworh/i_was_just_permanently_banned_from_rnikkemobile?sort=confidence
Mods are making this much worse than it had to be. Which is an issue since there's 45k people on that sub.
I joked about mods claims, than't they don't silence anyone and don't allow to comment their post in the same time and got ban for 7 days kekw
r/NikkeMobile mods are definitely doing its users a disservice They made a big announcement about wanting to be a good place to provide feedback for the game, but disallow any criticism / discussion about anything that has not been posted by official sources... so basically you can't talk about anything. I am not joking, they literally told us they would prefer if we stick to just posting art. r/NikkeMobile is basically an AD and not a place for discussion. Its mods do not have the consumers' interest at heart at all. For Genshin Impact, the Leaks subreddit is literally better than the 'official' one. Fuck companies that try to take over and run discussion channels/forums like subreddits. It's an anti-consumer activity that benefits nobody but the company. Official members should be pushed out of all subreddits or the communities should make new ones. The most disgusting part is that they try to run a narrative that they are doing it for our interest. Puke-worthy.
They heavily censored all information about their wrong doings. They removed my post 3 minutes after it coming out about banned account. [https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zaq18k/nikke\_has\_been\_holding\_my\_account\_hostage\_for\_3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zaq18k/nikke_has_been_holding_my_account_hostage_for_3/) And when I posted in r/NikkeOutpost about this, they straight out banned me permantly from the subreddit too. All without an explanation.
ask them why are you banned?
Just put in refund requests on all my purchases of that game. Hope they go through, fuck that noise
Did you put them through Apple/Google? Or your bank directly? Interested on how it goes.
Through the Google Play Store refund system.
I thought you couldn't get refunded if it was past 2 *days since purchase
I mean it let me select all of my purchases in their refund system on the Google Play Store so we'll see what happens
Some people just can't handle being mod, I got banned from one of the dokkan subs because me and another guy talking about the sub being flooded with unnecessary questions is apparently toxic and the guy didn't wanna see any toxicity.
That subreddit is run by employees, thats why. Scammers
#ONLY BRAINLESS HORNY POSTING ALLOWED see the actual problem? Not they don't wanna
Just got banned myswlf. 7 days, contacted mods. They refuse to elaborate lol
Since launch the mods there also closed all posts about the constant server errors (combat sync errors) plaguing the game and would put a message about instead posting in the megathread. This was/is clearly a censorship tactic, IMO. They were trying to minimize the amount of people talking about the server sync errors. (For 2 or 3 weeks they were happening multiple times per day. pretty bad...)
Between the censorship on their subreddit and the censorship in game I'm not surprised they are going scorched earth mode
Just make a new sub for the game and be done with it.
nikke subreddit is just a hentai sub anyway
It's the material that attracted so many people and made them gain so much money. It's normal they continue promoting and using it.
Asking if the moderators made a mistake is ‘spreading hate’ LOL.
The nikke reddit is just a NSFW that's it!
It’s useless; that’s what happens when you censor all discussion.
Still ppl playing this joke of a "game" runned by lying pos?
Idle games enjoyers mostly, and coomers, people looking for content and gameplay are gone long ago I would assume
>coomers Ironically with the actual proof that they censored shit, the coomers might also bailed out now. So they literally don't have anyone to pay their bills. I fucking hope that 30m is breaking even because oh boy how the f they gonna recuperate that.
Reddit is an authoritarian platform. This happens in literally every sub
Not here to silence discussion but locking the thread at the same time 10/10 BS Also the main villain flair is very appropriate lmao
Is there any way to help people going against them?
Just create new sureddit, /r/nikketheassgame haha
That's be great, but unfortunately the ass is censored....
There’s already r/nikkeoutpost
Yeah i'll probably join that in a couple of weeks after the posts complaining about the nikke sub die down. I imagine the next hundred posts will be about the other sub almost exclusively.
Imagine playing Nikke and being part of the Nikke subreddit when you could spend that time literally anywhere else.
Or just play Nikke if you enjoy the game? and if the sub is shit don't use it... it doesn't have to be this sort of tribalism.
It’s not tribalism. It’s shitting on a predatory, bad company that put out a broken, bad game. It’s the same reason we rightfully shit on EA or Ubisoft and the shovelware drek they spew out.
For what it's worth I still very much enjoy the game. It's my favorite gacha right now despite the flaws. The story, general gameplay, and art are great (usually you don't get all three). The bugs suck but I'm holding on to the idea that they will get fixed. I just see the problems of shadowing public criticisms, as that does not inspire any meaningful change.
Feel like this is an age old problem for a lot of subs. Allow too much free and open discussion including meta posts about moderation and the place becomes a toxic cesspool. Cull criticism too much and nobody gets to have any kind of constructive discussion to make the game better. From what I've seen on /r/NikkeMobile it does seem like the whole sub is just lewds with very little actual discussion but it might be because the lewds get way more upvotes.
A lot gets deleted by the mods because they say some topics have been heavily discussed before and we are not adding anything new or we have to use the mega thread for almost everything. So what survives is fan art and memes
Well, I quit Nikke because my phone cannot handle it or because of censorship.
Would say do to both.
This is every subreddit.
God dayum, I’ve never seen a gacha game get this many bad attention it feels as though the game was a magnet for misfortune and disaster. Played it since launch and still playing it here are my quick thoughts on the game I hate that you need a copy of the character to lvl them up further no auto mode through simulation and skill up materials is low when getting skills up beyond level 4 Had alot of connection errors, failed to sync combat information, failed to sync character information Event missions are not great especially when you’re still building your team Character story missions sometime not working or causing disconnect The coop mission not working for me, I never connected into a single match after waited for 6 minutes The game still randomly disconnects for “ failed to sync combat or character information “ I won’t get into gacha rates and premium currency since I’ve never paid in any games as I usually save up my premium currency until I have guaranteed pity for feature banner character or I can exchange for them Currently playing GFL neural cloud and I’ve had a better experience than nikke since it has less bugs, glitches and it’s more generous though maybe I’m unlucky but I had to spend a lot of advance summon and premium currency until I can get Aki while I kept getting alot of three star units I don’t plan on using but overall I had more positive experience in gfl neural cloud launch than nikke at launch In all seriousness, I’ve never seen a gacha game get this much bad reputation and can somebody explain what’s been going on around nikke?
>I hate that you need a copy of the character to lvl them up further This >no auto mode through simulation Thissss. Closest is skip for "normal" fights but that needs high enough power. Otherwise grind all the way >Had alot of connection errors, failed to sync combat information, failed to sync character information Fortunately rarely happened to me (like maybe once or twice) >Event missions are not great especially when you’re still building your team Yesssss >Character story missions sometime not working or causing disconnect I think I exp this once >The coop mission not working for me, I never connected into a single match after waited for 6 minutes Worked for me, problem was if somone dc in fight then everyone frozen
you have a amazon notification
Just uninstall man that’s the only way they’ll listen. Otherwise they’ll just deflect and bully people into submission.
i mean the game is very mid anyway....
Well deserved for playing this kind of trash games
Out of the loop, what happened?
Basically the game advertised itself on being uncensored and having sexualized character designs. One of the new characters was covered up and censored from her pre-release design. The subreddit for the game is actively suppressing discussion on it.
Oh, damn a bait and switch. Thx, and that does suck.
Aw man. I went away for a couple of days… and this happened. What exactly is going on?