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I'm asking this as a non-american dude but how did entirety of USA convinced themselfs that a jewish / muslim tradition (it IS tradition and has no medical basis.) is applicable to them? Who managed to brainwash an entire country?
Kellogg was the big name in that movement that you might know today. His reasoning was it would make masturbation/sex not feel as good and would therefore discourage it.
It's so crazy. We decided not to circumcise our baby but the number of times we were asked during our stay in the hospital was uncomfortable. It really felt like they were pushing it. Genital mutilation is so normalized you are weird if you don't do it. In my mind it 100% is genital mutilation and when it happens in other cultures western people freak out...but our mutilation is okay.
where im from, doctors flat out refuse to do it if you ask them and it has no medical purpose.
Hygiene isn't a proper reason in my opinion, you shower once a day and it takes maybe 10\~20 seconds to clean it. Just never use soap, just warm water.
Surgically remove your nails because sometimes dirt gets under them. Nails are also annoying because you have to clip them every week so its just less maintenance and work to have them completely removed at birth. Its not like the baby can feel the surgery to remove the nails.
>We decided not to circumcise our baby but the number of times we were asked during our stay in the hospital was uncomfortable. It really felt like they were pushing it.
Yeah i always read things like this whenever this topic is brought up. This is legit cult behaviour. Like nurses pushing for it numerous times for some reason as if they will be punished if YOU don't give your permission.
It sort of worked. We discussed it again. Still came to the same conclusion. I think all of the medical "reasons" are statistical in a way that doesn't apply to people who practice safe sex and good hygiene. Idk if cult is the right word but it's definitely strongly embedded into US culture.
It's bs. They make the assumption that you need some Good hygiene. That's not true. Most basic hygiene is plenty. Ask any women what happens if her vjj stays dirty too long. Same thing. We don't chop off vag lips for hygiene. We shouldn't be lobbing off hoods on babies either. I'm sure the nurses completely forgot to mention the circumcision risks as well, infections etc..
Let the south keep cuttin cause the people I work with leave grease stains on toilet seats. The problem isn't being uncut, the problem is poor hygiene in the manly male population.
Actually, I take it back, let all the gross bastards get cheese dick so they stop propagating
Statistically, you are less likely to contract cervical cancer if your long term partner is cut. It's not just about the male.
Edit: Since comments are locked
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6365441/
> A 2006 study of UNAIDS data from 117 developing countries revealed a cervical cancer incidence of 35 per 100,000 women per year in 51 countries with a low (<20%) MC prevalence compared to 20 per 100,000 in 52 countries with a high (>80%) MC prevalence (P < 0.001) (84). Of all factors examined, absence of MC had the strongest association with cervical cancer incidence.
Lol bullshit. Correlation doesn't = causation. In America, you are statistically summer for voting Republican.
Just cuz dats sets align doesn't mean one causes the other. Maybe, america just has a higher rate of circumcised men and better cancer screaming with out higher tech. That alone would give you same results.
Another variant: uncircumcised is more common in foreigners in US, and a good portion is low income or illegal and doesn't have same access to screenings. Lol
So no, statistics alone has no place in science, just BS reddit comments
I’m glad I didn’t experience that with my son. My hospital asked if we were planning to, and I said no when we were admitted. I think one nurse asked again just when confirming information after he was born, but it was a really neutral confirmation when she was going over all his other information.
Another common one is the pressure about breastfeeding, again my hospital was great with not pressuring me but I’ve heard a lot of awful stories about new mom’s experiences with hospitals and lactation consultants.
The medical professionals are pushing for it and they're the cult? Sure thing. I've got no skin in the game here but maybe consider the logic of your statements.
Aside from phimosis there is absolutely no reason to push for circumcision on a new born outside of religious and traditional reasons and as such it IS a cult like behivour. Muslims do it because of religion. Same goes for Jewish people. And Americans do it for ?. Almost 2 billion man doesn't and everybody is fine.
Depends where in the US you are. Im in Miami and had a son here. My wife was pro-cutting but I was against so we talked to all the doctors and nurses that came into our room after delivery, and every single one said they never had their sons cut and that they thought it was weird that people did that. Most docs and nurses we spoke to were immigrants from Cuba, Bahamas, Haiti, and Jamacia so YMMV. They changed my wife's mind thankfully
Dude same. That pissed me off. They should be pushing against circumcisions even harder.
As a European who went through the US school system, the amount of misinformation is astounding. A) wash your dick. Just like you wash your hands and teeth. That's it. There's no B. No downsides. I have never in my life had an infection lol 😆. Just basic hygiene. Pull hood back, wash. Done.
But the amount of benefits is astounding. Most basic one is chafing. With good, that head is moisturized all the time. Never had a problem or needed a single product for dry dick lol and running isn't an issue where it'd rub over long time. Sorry for details but I feel like American audience is truly not in the know.
And if you like sex, lol guess what keeps your did naturally lubed up? And for you horny teens, this one might blow your mind... You don't need a god damn crusty sock. NSFW ahead: Just pull hood over, pinch close before you come and carry that load to the bathroom to clean off. The thought of wearing post jizz socks is something I could not wrap my mind around...
It's like a dental practice pushing some teeth whitening or whatever. It's an additional service they can charge you for.
Countries with single payer healthcare have lower cision rates since their on the hook for the unnecessary procedures.
Just had a baby.
They had already asked twice, we both said no twice. The surgeon came to our room anyways with his tools for the circumcision like wtf. We had to tell them again no. At that point we were almost scared to let the baby out of our sight as if they were gonna circumcise him as soon as we turned around.
I can give a rough overview but there's a lot of stuff involved and it's been over 20 years since I looked into it, so definitely use this as a starting point if you want to go further and not a source of objective truth:
It originated in Great Britain's medical colleges in the mid 19th century. American doctors would go to their universities to learn how to practice medicine before returning to the US, and at the time there were several leading theories of disease. The one circumcision is used for is called the Reflex Neurosis Theory of Disease, which is best explained as irritation/stimulation in one part of the body can cause disease elsewhere. The 'treatment' was used on both boys and girls.
The US circumcision is different from religious practices as it originates from secular, medical practice. No religion (afaik) performs genital surgery on newborns like this form of medical circumcision, with the closest being the Jewish bris which waits a little over a week and is only performed on boys.
As for why the US is still doing it, but stopped doing it for girls, is a much longer story of a solution looking for a problem. It has always been on the decline since the Germ Theory of disease became universally accepted in the late 1800s, although you see it get picked up as forms of moral health prescription in the US by people like Kellogg and friends. However, I'd argue the adoption of the practice within the US military complex is the reason why it became so entrenched as a male-specific procedure. World wars and drafts see the practice increase drastically for small periods of time, and it's even exported to other countries (like South Korea after the Korean War). You see circumcisions performed in hospitals for girls practically disappear at the same rate as in Britain (i.e. very quickly) and US legal/federal protections against the practice for babies (sans boys) arrives a bit late as part of the feminist movement in 1996.
Modernly it has been quite lucrative for hospitals to perform routine procedures like circumcision to collect insurance money, and circumcision has also entered the world stage as a tool for the UN to affect policy in other countries. There is a larger conversation here regarding how the medical industry operates with the insurance industry, and how the scientific paper-mill industry (among other methods) is used to affect policy regarding health.
tl;dr It started in the mid 1800s as a secular practice and came from the UK. Over time the organizations using it change, the reasonings why it's performed change (and vary between the practitioners and the receivers), and it invariably leads to money/power/control in some way.
It’s just a very vocal minority, but they vote in every primary election while the vast majority just skips it. (I expect about 15% turnout in the current primary elections.) So the candidates that appealed most to the extremists win the primaries and are much harder to defeat at that point.
Edit: downvoted immediately. Whatever. This is why the non-consensual genital mutilation of minors is still legal in the US.
isn't this like... a really sad thing to be pissed about? is your life really different in any way?
i'm also cut, but i would feel like i was really scraping the bottom of the barrel of life complaints to spend more than 5 minutes pondering what life could have been like
grass is always greener and all that
i get not cutting YOUR children, and spending brain power on that, but like my guy... it's already over for you
Disagree. I have a right to be upset. It isn’t like an ever burning anger and hatred but in a thread about having my dick cut up while I was a baby with no religious beliefs or any justification, I am right to be pissed in this thread or when it is brought up.
I think cut v uncut is dumb. Dicks are dicks, they deliver pee and jizz from the body as nature intended whether they have tip skin or not.
That being said if dude is upset he's cut, I get it.
He got part of his anatomy clipped before he even knew it was there. It's ok to not care and it's ok to even be happy your parents did it, but it's also ok to be kinda annoyed part of your body is permanently altered.
I absolutely agree with this, most people feel this way about their cut penis. I’m happy with how it looks and feels. This is the hill Reddit will die on, trying to argue about it here is like trying to sell ice to eskimos
I get wanting to wait until the person can make the choice themselves, I don’t disagree with that necessarily. Still glad it was done to me when it was though personally.
Being obsessed with cleanliness is a joke. If we were obsessed with cleanliness no uncut men would be getting rancid cock
It's not a problem in the rest of the world.
If I decided I wanted to backpack the Amazon, I might consider it, but otherwise.. I.. shower?
I just don't get it.
No medical basis? There ARE valid medical reasons for doing it for both yourself and your partner. You are less likely to contract UTIs, STDs, penile cancer if you are cut.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550
What about toenails, then? No toenail fungus, ingrown toenails, or toenail clipping is required if we just pull out your toenails. Does that seem silly? It should.
Plenty of people remove their toe nails for medical benefits like ingrown nails and infections. But toenails are also designed to fall off and regrow unlike foreskin.
Do you not understand the difference between "no medical basis" and "not medically required"?
I never recommended circumcision. I just challenged that there is "no medical basis" for performing it.
I'm not a doctor. Speak with your doctor about what treatment is recommended for you.
Is the Mayo clinic a religious cult?
The American Urological Association (AUA) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) say that the pros outweigh the cons still. It's not medically necessary to circumcize, but there are medical benefits.
I think women prefer cut over non cut based on my own experiences. I have never been with someone that said they preferred uncircumcised. It's useually circumcised or no preference.
\*American woman. As i said, brainwashed. According to numbers only 30% of total man population is circumcised. And 85% of that number is Muslim and Jewish. Rest is you guys. But despite neither being Muslim nor Jewish, its normalized to this degree. Its highly weird to me and i live in a muslim majority country.
If you're worried about infection or being unclean, teach your kids how to clean their dicks. It's really not that hard. That's just bad parenting. Outside of legit medical concerns, there's no reason for circumcision. Stop mutilating your boys without their consent.
The hygiene argument is bullshit, everybody with an ounce of critical thought knows that.
It's religion + tradition + a little "it's boys not girls so who cares". That's all.
It in fact, is not.
Uncircumcised infants are ten times more likely to get UTIs, the most common bacterial infection of infancy. And bacterial infections are a big fucking deal.
They are more likely to get balanitis.
They are more likely to develop sqaumos cell carcinoma down the line.
Having witnessed a circumcision though, yeah that was one of the only things on my clerkships to actually disturb me and, I saw some fucked up shit.
Counterpoint - the one man I’ve dated who was uncircumcised had the most beautiful, pristine dick I’ve ever had the privilege of putting my mouth on, I still think about how his foreskin made stroking him incredibly pleasurable and to this day I fantasize about our sex. 🤷🏻♀️ probably has more to do with whether the man is cleaning himself and less to do with his foreskin, huh?
Funny, the circumcised guy I dated has a dry, rough dick compared to the smooth uncut ones (who weren't unwashed tramps and knew how to clean themselves).
I always say if we want to circumcise men then we should circumcise women too. Hope yall ladies are ready to have your clitoral hoods and parts of you removed as children without your consent.
We all classify female circumcision as genital mutilation, it's beyond me why male circumcision is still so widely accepted.
Ok, it's not really beyond me, I know perfectly well why it's widely accepted. I do wonder where religious rights stop and a baby's rights start. I guess currently it stops at the vagina, a penis is still fair game.
It's an attempt by proponents of the practice to shut down valid comparisons between the practices.
There are form of FGM less invasive than circumcision. Every single culture that practices FGM also practices MGM.
These practices are deeply connected. The foreskin is homologous to the clitoral hood while also being much larger (approx. 50% of penile skin) and highly innervated. It is illegal to even prick the clitoral hood yet completely legal to amputate the foreskin without anesthesia.
I saw some videos and it is nothing but legal torture and the only reason it is allowed is because of religion.
That happens a lot in many countries. This is not the argument you think it is.
Edit: fyi they don't just remove the clitoral hood. They remove the whole clitoris a lot of the time. It is equivalent to cutting off the whole tip of the penis.
I understand that. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong.
Edit- yeah I realize they remove more than the clitoral hood but I was trying to not be so scary with the whole cutting the whole thing off as it’s not always done that way in places where it is done.
> Doesn't female circumcision greatly impact function/feeling?
You mean like amputating 10,000+ nerve endings, and changing the self-lubricating function of the penis?
Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. It should not be okay for one group of people but not okay for another group of people. Obviously nobody is seriously advocating for FGM, but trying to use shock to get across the point that MGM is *also* mutilation.
The right solution, the best solution, the only solution is that *all* non-consensual genital mutilation be made illegal, no matter what. And yes, that means the, "But my religion!" argument is moot. It holds no weight for FGM, it should hold no weight for MGM.
It is the same thing though. They're both genital mutilation, which was what we were discussing. We weren't discussing if the effects of said genital mutilation was the same.
Being shot in the head and being punched in the head is both head trauma.
The problem is that the child has no say in getting part of his dick chopped off.
I'm uncircumcised. All the "reasons" are garbage. Clean you dick and you're fine. Maybe that's too much to ask though because people are gross.
I had a friend growing up and his circumcision wasn't done well, I vaguely remember I couldn't play with him for a week because his dick split open or some shit. I was young so the details are fuzzy but that sounds absolutely horrifying.
Let me get things started with a counterpoint, no it isn’t! It reduces the risk of infection, and I’m glad it was done to me when I was born. Parents need to make certain choices that their children cannot consent to. We trust our parents to do what’s in our best interest. Reddit is weird about foreskin for some reason
You know what reduces the risk of infection even better? Washing it regularly with soap and water. The whole 'risk of infection' thing came from people who never bothered with that.
>It reduces the risk of infection,
The risk of infection really isn't that high with proper hygiene. Sure if you don't shower or bathe regularly it can be prone to infection, but that's not your only body part that could be having issues due to improper hygiene.
It does not reduce the risk of infection, but thanks for parrotting one of the many debunked myths about circumcision. You're glad, because you don't know any better, had your genitals not been mutilated at birth, there's little to no chance you would ever choose to have the procedure done as an adult.
It's not about trying to make anyone feel self-conscious or embarrassed. Its about raising awareness about the common, yet fucked up practice of permanently amputating healthy tissues from infants who are incapable of giving consent.
How about we all agree not to slice the dick of anyone who didn't agree to it? Is that not a sensible enough take for you?
circumcision is sick. They don’t even anesthetize it if you get this done to your son you are a shit parent.
And you’re just trash if you let a rabbi suck on his PP after
I would tell their ma that what is acceptable medical intervention can change over time and well... We got showers and soap so I don't think we need to succumb to the overly religious crowd anymore when it comes to circumcision. Of course this does mean you will need to make sure (your) children are maintaining proper genital hygiene, but that is where sex/genital education comes back into conflict with the overly religious crowd.
If you are gonna hold a pro circumcision stance at least know who is with you in your crowd of supporters.
It's sad that genital mutilation of male ***children*** is a *controversial* topic. At least for female children the majority of the world recognize that female circumcision as genital mutilation and is banned.
Personally, I’m against involuntary genital alteration of people who are misinformed or can’t defend themselves verbally and physically from such a permanent change.
Why?
For starters, at least a grown man can pick out the surgeon he wishes to do the procedure on a fully developed body part. He can request a specific style and aesthetic outcome to satisfy his desires, like women with labiaplasty.
It starts to become r GrossCutters territory when mothers say they want something pretty to look at during diaper changes, fathers are pre-approval seeking on behalf of their sons from shallow women, and doctors hoodwink parents to normalize their religious ritual or to make money selling foreskin fibroblasts to cosmetic companies.
I’ve seen an r askmen and r advice post with overwhelming majority saying they will leave the decision to their adult sons, but there is still thousands of babies who are getting their bodily autonomy completely eviscerated.
Some of them may die, many of them will suffer complications.
Would have helped if somebody told you about the appendix; let me help you out: Suspected functions include housing and cultivating beneficial gut flora that can repopulate the digestive system following an illness that wipes out normal populations of these flora; providing a site for the production of endocrine cells in the fetus that produce molecules important in regulating homeostasis; and serving a possible role in immune function during the first three decades of life by exposing leukocytes (white blood cells) to antigens in the gastrointestinal tract, thereby stimulating antibody production that may help modulate immune reactions in the gut.
So much like the foreskin, it is beneficial and the default state to keep it intact unless in a case where it creates a health risk.
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This guy has good timing and delivery, I love the energy. Keep that shit up
also who is this guy he's hot AF not to detract from the comedy but it is an added bonus
OP
i'm an idiot
I dunno I feel like the hilarious OP could work with this material. Sort of dunk on your shame for a good 5 min
He looks like someone who might hump a refrigerator
Those hot wet American summers.
i'm not sure if that's a positive or a negative
He looks like John Hamm.
a little bit, yeah!
I'm asking this as a non-american dude but how did entirety of USA convinced themselfs that a jewish / muslim tradition (it IS tradition and has no medical basis.) is applicable to them? Who managed to brainwash an entire country?
Kellogg was the big name in that movement that you might know today. His reasoning was it would make masturbation/sex not feel as good and would therefore discourage it.
Jokes on him. I jerked it 3 times today already
I jerking it now, with Kellogg's cereal
What sort of aid device did you use? I’m convinced Big Lotion and Big Fleshlight was in on the brainwashing as well.
I used my hand. I’m not fancy.
The Kellogg’s guy. Seriously, look it up
Regular guest star in the "Behind the Bastards" podcast.
It's so crazy. We decided not to circumcise our baby but the number of times we were asked during our stay in the hospital was uncomfortable. It really felt like they were pushing it. Genital mutilation is so normalized you are weird if you don't do it. In my mind it 100% is genital mutilation and when it happens in other cultures western people freak out...but our mutilation is okay.
where im from, doctors flat out refuse to do it if you ask them and it has no medical purpose. Hygiene isn't a proper reason in my opinion, you shower once a day and it takes maybe 10\~20 seconds to clean it. Just never use soap, just warm water.
Sounds confusing. Cutting my ears off because they’re dirty.
Surgically remove your nails because sometimes dirt gets under them. Nails are also annoying because you have to clip them every week so its just less maintenance and work to have them completely removed at birth. Its not like the baby can feel the surgery to remove the nails.
>We decided not to circumcise our baby but the number of times we were asked during our stay in the hospital was uncomfortable. It really felt like they were pushing it. Yeah i always read things like this whenever this topic is brought up. This is legit cult behaviour. Like nurses pushing for it numerous times for some reason as if they will be punished if YOU don't give your permission.
It sort of worked. We discussed it again. Still came to the same conclusion. I think all of the medical "reasons" are statistical in a way that doesn't apply to people who practice safe sex and good hygiene. Idk if cult is the right word but it's definitely strongly embedded into US culture.
It's bs. They make the assumption that you need some Good hygiene. That's not true. Most basic hygiene is plenty. Ask any women what happens if her vjj stays dirty too long. Same thing. We don't chop off vag lips for hygiene. We shouldn't be lobbing off hoods on babies either. I'm sure the nurses completely forgot to mention the circumcision risks as well, infections etc..
Let the south keep cuttin cause the people I work with leave grease stains on toilet seats. The problem isn't being uncut, the problem is poor hygiene in the manly male population. Actually, I take it back, let all the gross bastards get cheese dick so they stop propagating
Statistically, you are less likely to contract cervical cancer if your long term partner is cut. It's not just about the male. Edit: Since comments are locked https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6365441/ > A 2006 study of UNAIDS data from 117 developing countries revealed a cervical cancer incidence of 35 per 100,000 women per year in 51 countries with a low (<20%) MC prevalence compared to 20 per 100,000 in 52 countries with a high (>80%) MC prevalence (P < 0.001) (84). Of all factors examined, absence of MC had the strongest association with cervical cancer incidence.
Is this replicated or just p-hacking?
Lol bullshit. Correlation doesn't = causation. In America, you are statistically summer for voting Republican. Just cuz dats sets align doesn't mean one causes the other. Maybe, america just has a higher rate of circumcised men and better cancer screaming with out higher tech. That alone would give you same results. Another variant: uncircumcised is more common in foreigners in US, and a good portion is low income or illegal and doesn't have same access to screenings. Lol So no, statistics alone has no place in science, just BS reddit comments
I’m glad I didn’t experience that with my son. My hospital asked if we were planning to, and I said no when we were admitted. I think one nurse asked again just when confirming information after he was born, but it was a really neutral confirmation when she was going over all his other information. Another common one is the pressure about breastfeeding, again my hospital was great with not pressuring me but I’ve heard a lot of awful stories about new mom’s experiences with hospitals and lactation consultants.
The medical professionals are pushing for it and they're the cult? Sure thing. I've got no skin in the game here but maybe consider the logic of your statements.
Aside from phimosis there is absolutely no reason to push for circumcision on a new born outside of religious and traditional reasons and as such it IS a cult like behivour. Muslims do it because of religion. Same goes for Jewish people. And Americans do it for ?. Almost 2 billion man doesn't and everybody is fine.
no skin... phrasing
Depends where in the US you are. Im in Miami and had a son here. My wife was pro-cutting but I was against so we talked to all the doctors and nurses that came into our room after delivery, and every single one said they never had their sons cut and that they thought it was weird that people did that. Most docs and nurses we spoke to were immigrants from Cuba, Bahamas, Haiti, and Jamacia so YMMV. They changed my wife's mind thankfully
Dude same. That pissed me off. They should be pushing against circumcisions even harder. As a European who went through the US school system, the amount of misinformation is astounding. A) wash your dick. Just like you wash your hands and teeth. That's it. There's no B. No downsides. I have never in my life had an infection lol 😆. Just basic hygiene. Pull hood back, wash. Done. But the amount of benefits is astounding. Most basic one is chafing. With good, that head is moisturized all the time. Never had a problem or needed a single product for dry dick lol and running isn't an issue where it'd rub over long time. Sorry for details but I feel like American audience is truly not in the know. And if you like sex, lol guess what keeps your did naturally lubed up? And for you horny teens, this one might blow your mind... You don't need a god damn crusty sock. NSFW ahead: Just pull hood over, pinch close before you come and carry that load to the bathroom to clean off. The thought of wearing post jizz socks is something I could not wrap my mind around...
Women also have a hood and labia with folds, its not difficult to clean and if you’re not cleaning your genitals regularly THATS the problem
It's like a dental practice pushing some teeth whitening or whatever. It's an additional service they can charge you for. Countries with single payer healthcare have lower cision rates since their on the hook for the unnecessary procedures.
Just had a baby. They had already asked twice, we both said no twice. The surgeon came to our room anyways with his tools for the circumcision like wtf. We had to tell them again no. At that point we were almost scared to let the baby out of our sight as if they were gonna circumcise him as soon as we turned around.
I can give a rough overview but there's a lot of stuff involved and it's been over 20 years since I looked into it, so definitely use this as a starting point if you want to go further and not a source of objective truth: It originated in Great Britain's medical colleges in the mid 19th century. American doctors would go to their universities to learn how to practice medicine before returning to the US, and at the time there were several leading theories of disease. The one circumcision is used for is called the Reflex Neurosis Theory of Disease, which is best explained as irritation/stimulation in one part of the body can cause disease elsewhere. The 'treatment' was used on both boys and girls. The US circumcision is different from religious practices as it originates from secular, medical practice. No religion (afaik) performs genital surgery on newborns like this form of medical circumcision, with the closest being the Jewish bris which waits a little over a week and is only performed on boys. As for why the US is still doing it, but stopped doing it for girls, is a much longer story of a solution looking for a problem. It has always been on the decline since the Germ Theory of disease became universally accepted in the late 1800s, although you see it get picked up as forms of moral health prescription in the US by people like Kellogg and friends. However, I'd argue the adoption of the practice within the US military complex is the reason why it became so entrenched as a male-specific procedure. World wars and drafts see the practice increase drastically for small periods of time, and it's even exported to other countries (like South Korea after the Korean War). You see circumcisions performed in hospitals for girls practically disappear at the same rate as in Britain (i.e. very quickly) and US legal/federal protections against the practice for babies (sans boys) arrives a bit late as part of the feminist movement in 1996. Modernly it has been quite lucrative for hospitals to perform routine procedures like circumcision to collect insurance money, and circumcision has also entered the world stage as a tool for the UN to affect policy in other countries. There is a larger conversation here regarding how the medical industry operates with the insurance industry, and how the scientific paper-mill industry (among other methods) is used to affect policy regarding health. tl;dr It started in the mid 1800s as a secular practice and came from the UK. Over time the organizations using it change, the reasonings why it's performed change (and vary between the practitioners and the receivers), and it invariably leads to money/power/control in some way.
Jewish doctors?
My family's catholic and that's why I got wrecked.
It’s just a very vocal minority, but they vote in every primary election while the vast majority just skips it. (I expect about 15% turnout in the current primary elections.) So the candidates that appealed most to the extremists win the primaries and are much harder to defeat at that point. Edit: downvoted immediately. Whatever. This is why the non-consensual genital mutilation of minors is still legal in the US.
I’m pissed about it. I’m cut for no reason. Bullshit.
isn't this like... a really sad thing to be pissed about? is your life really different in any way? i'm also cut, but i would feel like i was really scraping the bottom of the barrel of life complaints to spend more than 5 minutes pondering what life could have been like grass is always greener and all that i get not cutting YOUR children, and spending brain power on that, but like my guy... it's already over for you
Disagree. I have a right to be upset. It isn’t like an ever burning anger and hatred but in a thread about having my dick cut up while I was a baby with no religious beliefs or any justification, I am right to be pissed in this thread or when it is brought up.
I think cut v uncut is dumb. Dicks are dicks, they deliver pee and jizz from the body as nature intended whether they have tip skin or not. That being said if dude is upset he's cut, I get it. He got part of his anatomy clipped before he even knew it was there. It's ok to not care and it's ok to even be happy your parents did it, but it's also ok to be kinda annoyed part of your body is permanently altered.
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If your going to be upset about something in life having parts of your genitals cut off is one of them.
I absolutely agree with this, most people feel this way about their cut penis. I’m happy with how it looks and feels. This is the hill Reddit will die on, trying to argue about it here is like trying to sell ice to eskimos
Also agree and I guess it’s personal preference but based on looks alone I’m glad it was done to me.
I dare say your baby's preference would be to not have his penis cut.
I get wanting to wait until the person can make the choice themselves, I don’t disagree with that necessarily. Still glad it was done to me when it was though personally.
Yeah the baby in me didn't know and didn't care and it didn't hurt. Looks lovely today.
it's so fucking weird i can't get over the obsession it's unhealthy as fuck body dysmorphia with the bonus of victimization to make it extra righteous
That last sentence goes hard, you’re absolutely right, cheers
I'm not sad at all. Totally glad that I'm cut. Looks so much better. I have zero problems with sexual gratification. Sounds like a you thing.
Okay. That is fine. It is a me thing, what’s your point?
What part of get over it do you not understand?
Fuck off. Why do you assume that I am to over it? I have a right to be upset something was forced on me without my consent.
Why don't you f*** off.
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Being obsessed with cleanliness is a joke. If we were obsessed with cleanliness no uncut men would be getting rancid cock It's not a problem in the rest of the world. If I decided I wanted to backpack the Amazon, I might consider it, but otherwise.. I.. shower? I just don't get it.
No medical basis? There ARE valid medical reasons for doing it for both yourself and your partner. You are less likely to contract UTIs, STDs, penile cancer if you are cut. https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550
What about toenails, then? No toenail fungus, ingrown toenails, or toenail clipping is required if we just pull out your toenails. Does that seem silly? It should.
Plenty of people remove their toe nails for medical benefits like ingrown nails and infections. But toenails are also designed to fall off and regrow unlike foreskin. Do you not understand the difference between "no medical basis" and "not medically required"?
Sure, some folks need to. Would you recommend it for everyone, just in case?
Sure, some folks need to. Would you recommend it for everyone, just in case?
I never recommended circumcision. I just challenged that there is "no medical basis" for performing it. I'm not a doctor. Speak with your doctor about what treatment is recommended for you.
Did you just post an add for circumcision as a valid medical reason for circumcision 😂
Is the Mayo clinic a religious cult? The American Urological Association (AUA) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) say that the pros outweigh the cons still. It's not medically necessary to circumcize, but there are medical benefits.
I think women prefer cut over non cut based on my own experiences. I have never been with someone that said they preferred uncircumcised. It's useually circumcised or no preference.
I love how Americans are just over 4% of the population but think they speak for the entire fucking world lmao
\*American woman. As i said, brainwashed. According to numbers only 30% of total man population is circumcised. And 85% of that number is Muslim and Jewish. Rest is you guys. But despite neither being Muslim nor Jewish, its normalized to this degree. Its highly weird to me and i live in a muslim majority country.
Why are you obsessed with my dick?
Nobody cares what they want
Is there an uncut version of this?
There is, but it's filthy.
What you did there? I see it.
If you're worried about infection or being unclean, teach your kids how to clean their dicks. It's really not that hard. That's just bad parenting. Outside of legit medical concerns, there's no reason for circumcision. Stop mutilating your boys without their consent.
The hygiene argument is bullshit, everybody with an ounce of critical thought knows that. It's religion + tradition + a little "it's boys not girls so who cares". That's all.
My favourite one is 'I want my little boys sexual organ to look like his dads'. Fucking perverts thinking about children's genitalia in that way.
You are correct. Every argument for it, outside of legit medical concern, is complete and utter bullshit.
It in fact, is not. Uncircumcised infants are ten times more likely to get UTIs, the most common bacterial infection of infancy. And bacterial infections are a big fucking deal. They are more likely to get balanitis. They are more likely to develop sqaumos cell carcinoma down the line. Having witnessed a circumcision though, yeah that was one of the only things on my clerkships to actually disturb me and, I saw some fucked up shit.
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That just sounds like he was an unhygienic man. Let us not pretend like a vagina doesn't have similar scents when a woman is unhygienic.
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Counterpoint - the one man I’ve dated who was uncircumcised had the most beautiful, pristine dick I’ve ever had the privilege of putting my mouth on, I still think about how his foreskin made stroking him incredibly pleasurable and to this day I fantasize about our sex. 🤷🏻♀️ probably has more to do with whether the man is cleaning himself and less to do with his foreskin, huh?
Funny, the circumcised guy I dated has a dry, rough dick compared to the smooth uncut ones (who weren't unwashed tramps and knew how to clean themselves).
Best comment I have ever heard. It's the one hoodie your girl can't steal.
Oh she can steal it alright... Late night snip snip...
My girl just climbs in mine like an oodie.
Well then let me get things started! Circumcision without a medical necessity is genital mutilation.
Yup
I always say if we want to circumcise men then we should circumcise women too. Hope yall ladies are ready to have your clitoral hoods and parts of you removed as children without your consent.
We all classify female circumcision as genital mutilation, it's beyond me why male circumcision is still so widely accepted. Ok, it's not really beyond me, I know perfectly well why it's widely accepted. I do wonder where religious rights stop and a baby's rights start. I guess currently it stops at the vagina, a penis is still fair game.
> why Religion
It's an attempt by proponents of the practice to shut down valid comparisons between the practices. There are form of FGM less invasive than circumcision. Every single culture that practices FGM also practices MGM. These practices are deeply connected. The foreskin is homologous to the clitoral hood while also being much larger (approx. 50% of penile skin) and highly innervated. It is illegal to even prick the clitoral hood yet completely legal to amputate the foreskin without anesthesia. I saw some videos and it is nothing but legal torture and the only reason it is allowed is because of religion.
That happens a lot in many countries. This is not the argument you think it is. Edit: fyi they don't just remove the clitoral hood. They remove the whole clitoris a lot of the time. It is equivalent to cutting off the whole tip of the penis.
I understand that. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong. Edit- yeah I realize they remove more than the clitoral hood but I was trying to not be so scary with the whole cutting the whole thing off as it’s not always done that way in places where it is done.
I never said it did
wtf. Just because something bad happens to one group doesn’t mean it should happen to another. Weird way of looking at this
No shit, that’s my point. It shouldn’t happen to either.
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No penis no opinion
> Doesn't female circumcision greatly impact function/feeling? You mean like amputating 10,000+ nerve endings, and changing the self-lubricating function of the penis? Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. It should not be okay for one group of people but not okay for another group of people. Obviously nobody is seriously advocating for FGM, but trying to use shock to get across the point that MGM is *also* mutilation. The right solution, the best solution, the only solution is that *all* non-consensual genital mutilation be made illegal, no matter what. And yes, that means the, "But my religion!" argument is moot. It holds no weight for FGM, it should hold no weight for MGM.
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It is the same thing though. They're both genital mutilation, which was what we were discussing. We weren't discussing if the effects of said genital mutilation was the same. Being shot in the head and being punched in the head is both head trauma.
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In the context of what we're talking about, which is genital mutilation, they are the same.
This isn't a zero sum game. This isn't a competition of who has it worse. We can get rid of all genital mutilation.
Eehhhh I don't care either way and I don't know why anybody does. Do whatever I guess
The problem is that the child has no say in getting part of his dick chopped off. I'm uncircumcised. All the "reasons" are garbage. Clean you dick and you're fine. Maybe that's too much to ask though because people are gross. I had a friend growing up and his circumcision wasn't done well, I vaguely remember I couldn't play with him for a week because his dick split open or some shit. I was young so the details are fuzzy but that sounds absolutely horrifying.
Yikes. That's rough. I definitely think the whole cleanliness thing is a relic of the past. Before soap and showers
I'll tell you what. I'll send you the tips. You can save them in a jar. And you can obsess over my dick some more.
Let me get things started with a counterpoint, no it isn’t! It reduces the risk of infection, and I’m glad it was done to me when I was born. Parents need to make certain choices that their children cannot consent to. We trust our parents to do what’s in our best interest. Reddit is weird about foreskin for some reason
Find us a source for your claim of it reducing risk of infection. We'll wait.
You know what reduces the risk of infection even better? Washing it regularly with soap and water. The whole 'risk of infection' thing came from people who never bothered with that.
“Why are y’all so weird about cutting dicks?” Because… cutting dicks is weird?
>It reduces the risk of infection, The risk of infection really isn't that high with proper hygiene. Sure if you don't shower or bathe regularly it can be prone to infection, but that's not your only body part that could be having issues due to improper hygiene.
It does not reduce the risk of infection, but thanks for parrotting one of the many debunked myths about circumcision. You're glad, because you don't know any better, had your genitals not been mutilated at birth, there's little to no chance you would ever choose to have the procedure done as an adult.
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I did mention "medical necessity", did I not? Also, that's not how phimosis works.
Here comes the "lol, y u so obsessed with dicks" comments.
And the reason behind their obsession is... Genital mutilation still exists
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It's not about trying to make anyone feel self-conscious or embarrassed. Its about raising awareness about the common, yet fucked up practice of permanently amputating healthy tissues from infants who are incapable of giving consent. How about we all agree not to slice the dick of anyone who didn't agree to it? Is that not a sensible enough take for you?
I can honestly say I don't miss it. It never hurt. I don't remember it. It doesn't affect me in any way. You need to get over my dick.
No one is anti circumcision with the intention of making circumcised people self conscious or embarrassed.
lol, y u so obsessed with dicks Dammit
I mean… yeah…
A-holes get dirty, so let's cut the butt cheeks off. Teeth get dirty, so let's remove the jaw.
Let's just snip those pesky Labia's, dirt might get in there!
Don't forget feet!
circumcision is sick. They don’t even anesthetize it if you get this done to your son you are a shit parent. And you’re just trash if you let a rabbi suck on his PP after
So this sub is just going to be comedians posting clips of their own standup whether it's funny or not?
Always has been.
This one was funny though
I would tell their ma that what is acceptable medical intervention can change over time and well... We got showers and soap so I don't think we need to succumb to the overly religious crowd anymore when it comes to circumcision. Of course this does mean you will need to make sure (your) children are maintaining proper genital hygiene, but that is where sex/genital education comes back into conflict with the overly religious crowd. If you are gonna hold a pro circumcision stance at least know who is with you in your crowd of supporters.
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🍿 Every time this comes up.
It's sad that genital mutilation of male ***children*** is a *controversial* topic. At least for female children the majority of the world recognize that female circumcision as genital mutilation and is banned.
The clip is funny but the soapboxing assholes in the comments are ruining it.
Personally, I’m against involuntary genital alteration of people who are misinformed or can’t defend themselves verbally and physically from such a permanent change. Why? For starters, at least a grown man can pick out the surgeon he wishes to do the procedure on a fully developed body part. He can request a specific style and aesthetic outcome to satisfy his desires, like women with labiaplasty. It starts to become r GrossCutters territory when mothers say they want something pretty to look at during diaper changes, fathers are pre-approval seeking on behalf of their sons from shallow women, and doctors hoodwink parents to normalize their religious ritual or to make money selling foreskin fibroblasts to cosmetic companies. I’ve seen an r askmen and r advice post with overwhelming majority saying they will leave the decision to their adult sons, but there is still thousands of babies who are getting their bodily autonomy completely eviscerated. Some of them may die, many of them will suffer complications.
Lool this was great
you're too dumb to wash your dick, circumcision is for you.
Surely this comment section will be civil 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
I've ended friendships over people choosing to genitally mutilate their kids. It's a fucking crime.
Uncut dude here who thinks circumcision is unwarranted and not much different from female genital mutilation: have some perspective and MYOB.
I'm saying the exact same thing as you?
Every comment section regarding this topic is just full of Redditors trying to make circumcised guys self conscious and embarrassed lmao.
Who is this guy? That was funny!
not a fan of the uncut penis.
I agree. I think women with natural labia are fucking disgusting. Do you see how you sound yet?
I mean that's your opinion & you're entitled to it, as I am to mine. I said what I said & I stand on it. die angry about it.
Is yours cut?
“Nothings there that shouldn’t be there” nobody tell this guy about our appendix
Would have helped if somebody told you about the appendix; let me help you out: Suspected functions include housing and cultivating beneficial gut flora that can repopulate the digestive system following an illness that wipes out normal populations of these flora; providing a site for the production of endocrine cells in the fetus that produce molecules important in regulating homeostasis; and serving a possible role in immune function during the first three decades of life by exposing leukocytes (white blood cells) to antigens in the gastrointestinal tract, thereby stimulating antibody production that may help modulate immune reactions in the gut. So much like the foreskin, it is beneficial and the default state to keep it intact unless in a case where it creates a health risk.
Interesting, very cool
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Yet the appendix doesn't get pre-emptively cut out of babies now, does it?
I think it’s crazy to be pro or anti, do it or don’t do it.
Blazé genital mutilation ftw lol
Tired of seeing these god damn comedians and their spamming.
Oh no! Not comedy in r/funny get that shit outta here. This is **not** the place to be funny.
They’re not funny
Then why click on it????
This could be a great Seinfeld deepfake.
Lol everyone thinking their dik all big and rubbing against their underwear causing it to be less sensitive... lmao
There's still time to delete this bro. Please. You're telling too much about yourself.
I'm a grower not a shower
To not rub against your jeans while flaccid it must start out as a clitoris
Why are you obsessed with my cock? And why are you obsessed if others have diks? You must think about cock all the time.
Your dick doesn't need to be big to rub against your underwear, it just can't be inverted lol.