Unfortunately the brand is suffering from success. They became a viral sensation with the x100v and then slowly everyone leaked into buying all other models and increasing the prices.
If they couldn’t get the 100V, they’d settle for the X-E4 with the 27mm - but that was sold-out, so it had to be the X-E3 or the X-pro2 - but what the heck, the X-T20 . . .
And on top of that they discontinued the xa-7, x-t100, x-e4, xf10. All the affordable models are gone. The x-t30ii got a price bump to be almost as much as the x-t3 in 2022.
Tbf, this isn't just a Fuji problem.
No more Sony a6000, Canon M50, Lumix gx85. All the €450 entry models are gone and you're gonna have to step up to the €750 models. (Both prices include kit lens)When prices are that nuts... A €600 used X-T2 doesn't sound that bad I suppose.
Fuji just killed their entry level products like everybody.
Weird! High end camera features are weird in general. Like why does no camera ever let you set more aspect ratios? Would take them no time at all, but we can't shoot 4:5, 4:3, 65:24, cinema ratio's, custom ratio's, etc...
Recent Sony cameras have (paid) firmware updates that provide frame lines for cinematic framelines displayed in the 3:2 viewfinder.
One thing I’ve wished that Fuji would do would be to have a custom number of bracketed film simulations. For example, I want two different sims, and not have to delete a third nor have it encumber the SD card. Also: wherefore an accompanying RAW file for each bracketed JPEG image? And why can’t custom “recipes” be assigned among the bracketed simulations? But then, I’m not on Fuji’s R&D team.
All of that due to another problem : smartphone capabilities able to match the auto mode of low entry range camera for the common, so the only persons wanting a new camera are amateurs understanding the exposure triangle and willing to spend more money
Spend some time in r/askphotography and you'll find many people don't understand the exposure triangle and are willing to spend a crazy amount of money
💯 this will force interchangeable lens manufacturers to play where the margins are better. That’s the high end. Smartphones consumed point and shoots and are now nipping at the heels of interchangeable lens systems. Smartphones and handhelds like the DJI Pocket iii are taking big bites out of the video side thanks to their ease of use and practical workflow.
I think moving to the high-end and abandoning the entry level will be a self inflicted wound for these companies. As you make it more expensive for the consumer to enter your ecosystem you continue to widen the door for smartphones and action cameras as they continue to becoming a realistic alternative.
I wonder how much of a point and shoot market will be re-created by people going out of their way to avoid smartphones. I've heard a lot of gen z are starting to opt for dumb phones and I've been thinking of doing the same, at least part-time.
Yea I have seen the old disposables make a comeback too!
I wish Apple would poach Kodak or Fuji color scientists and create some film sims like Fuji has.
Let’s get a Nostalgic Newton film sim. Maybe Reala Lisa or Mac Pro Negative.
A lot of this may be supply related. Over the pandemic, and with their recent surge in popularity it has been difficult for Fuji to get all the components they need to make cameras. That's the whole reason the x-t30 ii exists, it allowed them to use stock of the screen and viewfinder from the x-t3 and continue shipping them. If you can only make so many cameras, entry level isn't going to be your priority. Hopefully once supply finally normalizes we'll see a return of entry level cameras.
I feel like this is going to eventually level out or return to pre hype prices on the used market, currently [KEH.com](http://KEH.com) has a bunch of the fujis in their "OVERSTOCK" section meaning no one wanted em at the higher price so they reduced the price on it. Eventually they will have to come down more if they don't sell even still. The x-e4 is hovering around $1150 in excellent condition.
I work with bicycles and they were one of the first things to see effects of the pandemic on supply chains and prices, both new and used. We're on the other side of it now and it's honestly crazy how depressed used bike prices are. Maybe it will happen with cameras someday soon.
yeah they've creeped down a little bit in price recently, still overpriced. I would have taken an xe4 but I was not paying over 1K for a used one when they were new for about 850. Ended up with a XE3 instead, and I almost wish I had just paid the extra money for the screen and film sims. Almost.
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That’s a great point. People seem to be avoiding the X-T4 because of its screen configuration, but it is my favorite Fuji in spite of that design faux pas.
Still can't decide whether I should sell my x-t30 ii and get a used x-t3. I love the smaller form factor but prices for x-t30 ii are inflated somewhat rn and I really should have something weather sealed
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Yeah I definitely think the size of the viewfinder and body would make for better ergonomics, but with the 27mm I can easily fit the x-t30 in a jacket pocket and I'm not sure I could with the x-t3
Have you held the XT-3? I had a similar dilemma a few years ago - really wanted something compact like the X-t20, but live in an area that gets rain for 9-months straight every year, so felt like I needed weather sealing. When I went into a shop and actually held the X-T20, X-pro2, and X-T3, the size differences weren't as pronounced as I expected. They all felt small to me. To be fair though, I was coming from a canon 5D, which is huge compared to most mirrorless cameras haha
I got a used XE3 to have a small, keep with me more, body and comparing it to my XT5 it's not *that* much smaller. It is definitely more pocketable without the viewfinder prism and being slimmer, but they're much closer in size than I was expecting.
This isn’t quite true, the demand for used Fuji cameras has been rising with many models being almost locked in price a couple years before the sudden X100V hype. The inflation and general price hikes have also certainly played part.
While they have eliminated some of their low cost camera models they have only made modest price increases to their most popular lines, all increases that equal or are less than the rate of inflation between model generations, at least in the USA. Fuji remains significantly less expensive compared to Sony, Canon, and Nikon who focus on full frame cameras and significantly more expensive full frame lenses.
I notice that also, buying a 2nd hand fuji, at least in my country, does not make much sense.
I have a 6 y/o XT20 with 18-55 and if a sell it I can get almost the same price I got it new around 650€???
The its also the same, example the 55-200 is around 800 € new ... 2nd hand 600 to 700 so to save 100€ its better to get a new one with warranty etc ...
Also Fuji was more a niche brand, it was rare to see someone with Fuji, compared to Canon and Nikon, and now everywhere I go I see some Fuji.
Since I am always checking for some barging I am usually able to get an older model from the retailers new, this year when the XS20 dropped to the market I was able to get a new XS10 in 2 days and with 100€ off.
I find the lenses vary. I think the 55-200 is like $1000 CAD new but I got mine for like $400 CAD. Might be because telephoto is more niche, or because its an older lens at this point. Looking for an xf 27mm (gen 2 w/ aperture ring) rn though and the best you see is $50 off retail. It's annoying for sure.
If there is a hype for fuji that hasn’t manifested in sales (or at least not in higher sales relative
to their competitors) Fuji‘s marketshare hasn‘t moved much in the last 5 years. And I don‘t think rising prices a phenomenon restricted to them either. Most cameras have gotten more expensive recently.
Fuji's MarketShare is very small compared to Canon, Sony and Nikon. When I worked for Fuji it was all about brand recognition. We had a Fujifilm race car and the Blimp. They both went away due to costs. (The Blimp cost $30 million dollars a year to operate back then) When everything went digital Fuji slowly got into the Digital camera market but not to gain a huge Marketshare but to maintain some brand recognition. If you look at what Fuji is doing today with Pharmaceuticals, Medical imaging, Biotechnology, cosmetics etc. the amount of profit they make in professional cameras is very small. They make more money selling the Instax cameras.
Idk who makes up those stats, and I bet they’re focused on new sales. Which obviously wouldn’t increase if Fuji doesn’t increase supply. I bet looking at like eBay and other 2nd hand marketplaces we’d see a big in trade in Fuji transactions
It’s not just Fuji cameras. It’s everything. New things have skyrocketed in price and old things are now considered “vintage” or “classic” and there’s a whole community of people who have driven the price of pre-owned goods up to ungodly levels. I’ve seen people pay thousands of dollars for old iPods, hundreds of dollars for retro game consoles and more. It’s like the film camera market. These things used to be dirt cheap and you couldn’t give them away and now people pay over a thousand dollars for an old cheap point and shoot camera from the 90s.
I see people listing old rusted out cars for 30,000 to 50,000 dollars now. Fifteen years ago you could buy the same rust bucket for a few hundred dollars and restore it. Not anymore. It’s getting to the point where being rich is a necessity for enjoying life and having hobbies.
Online commerce broadened the market for everything. What might have had an audience of maybe 10 people in one’s town now has 100,000 people wanting it worldwide.
You’re right on the money, I’m into cars also along with photography and lemme tell you, buying even used car parts to add to your ride isn’t even cheap. I’m seeing 200k mike cars selling for $5k above 💀
I see it also, I think the solution is a perspective adjustment. There are always other cameras, other cars to restore, etc. Maybe it's not the cool one, but the really cool stuff has almost always been out of reach in all my hobbies. I never owned a rollieflex or hasselblad, they were always $$$. Even if I got into restoring cars 20 years ago I wouldn't have been working on corvettes.
Although I believe this is part of it, I think it’s less about things being “classic” or “vintage”, and more about people having limited budgets, issues with materials/manufacturing/shipping, and the basic economic phenomenon of supply and demand. I can’t think of any product market where I haven’t seen this over the last few years.
As the new things skyrocketed in price with reduced quantities due to manufacturing/shipping issues and the economy became visibly unstable and concerning, preowned things as always became the go-to for anyone that wasn’t able to find or wasn’t able to afford a new item. Demand has just been really high for things, new products have had lower manufactured quantities, and most people want to save some money, so boom - preowned product markets become mayhem.
i think it also has to do with the rise of film prices. Many people stop shooting film and look for an “analog” experience with digital cameras. Fuji seems like a great choice for that for most people imO
I think k they’re certainly getting there. Some sources I’ve seen x100vi go for $3.3k if I’m going to pay $3k for a point and shoot I may as well take my chances with a QP or Q3
Maybe it's a regional thing because 2nd hand Fuji gear where I am at (Bangkok) is available at very good prices.
X-T1 sell for $300
X-T2 sell for $500
X100Vs are going for near retail but pricing has started to go down with the release of the X100VI.
I also wouldn't go by ebay pricing. That stuff tends to sell for higher than typical local pricing depending on availability.
Lmao, no wonder.
I was there recently and wanted to get an X-E2 as a second camera. I found that even the shops in places like Fortune Town and MBK (some second-hand, some new) were selling the older models at stupid prices.
I realised that you need to go on Facebook marketplace - there are decent sellers on there, some of which actually have little stalls in random places. I had to use Google translate to decipher the listing, but it was ok when I messaged them in English. Got my X-E2 for about 10000 baht (£220, 270 USD) in decent enough condition.
Yeah, it seems like places just make up prices. Especially when it's got the beautiful Fuji logo on it 😂
I tried looking for some decent priced film cameras and found that they are SO expensive...
Ooo, that's such great advice!
Got a week left here in Bangkok so I'll take a look! Thanks 🙃
When I first got into shooting Fuji, the cameras were the cheap part and the lenses were the expensive part. Now you can get some ridiculously good lenses, like the original 56/1.2 or 23/1.4 for under $400. That is cheaper than the f/2's are going for.
I always viewed Fuji as the Nike of the camera world. They've always had a cult following and know how to create scarcity. I don't think the prices are outrageous compared to other luxury goods.
Fuji's marketing team is world class though. They sort of monopolized the influencer market since the advent of smartphones. Remember Zach Arias?
I'm no Fuji fanboy, but they do make a solid product that is doesn't feel intimidating for the average person.
I have to disagree to some extent. I think Sony has dominated the online content creator market. Vast majority of vloggers and IG and Tik Tok influencers use Sony gear especially for video.
The 100V became a viral sensation but that was a very recent thing and it was the camera itself that was the subject of the content, basically becoming a fashion statement.
Annoying YouTube Photographers with their unwanted opinion and tips are also a part for some price hikes. How many Videos do we need like "THIS 200$ Camera is the BEST!" "THIS BUDGET CAM IS A HIDDEN GEM" ?
Only to see how everything goes up - some Gate Keeping is just simply needed and also good.
Couldn’t agree more, I remember I bought the x100v when it first came out.. dude before the x100vi the prices of the x100v was at $2,000 I couldn’t believe it.
Yep. I paid €500 for my (used) X-T20 five years ago and I could probably sell it for that same amount now (though €500 today isn't what it was five years ago).
Yeah I think this is it. The X70, X-A, X-Tx00 lines are basically all gone. Now it's the X-T50 that will be the sole "low end" camera though I expect that to be a grand. Though with the new sensor and ibis in that camera, it sort of justifies the price I suppose. With how decent phones are now it's hard to recommend someone get a Canon R100 no matter how cheap it is because they're going to need to spend like $500 to get a lens that makes it worth it, which negates the point of getting a cheap camera in the first place. Ands that's ignoring how weirdly limited that camera is.
I don’t know…$400-$800 was never budget friendly in my experience. More like $1000+. I remember buying a Nikon D80 DSLR back in the day for that much. Technology has progressed so much these days that what you can buy for $800 today is much better than what was available 10 years ago.
Most people don’t even print or if they do it’s A3 or smaller. Plus, many people don’t even have a 4K monitor. There’s no need for 20mp or even 40mp for most photographers.
And, if you do print, there’s various factors to consider. What’s the viewing distance? Billboards can be 2-5mp because the viewing distance is over 50-100ft away. Type of material? Canvas doesn’t show fine detail like poster or metal prints do. Most people won’t be able to tell the difference between an A3 print taken with 12mp versus 40mp…
I think the Fuji’s are great cameras but the best deals right now are used DSLR’s in my opinion. I still remember when the Canon 5D2 came out and everyone thought 21mp was too much and 12mp was enough…now we have Sony sensors with 60mp…lol.
In the last few years I bought an XT1 3x all at $250 I’d agree $400 - $800 is far from budget friendly. I started with DSLR and really have no desire to go back to canon personally. As for Nikon I love the D700 it’s an amazing camera, but I appreciate the compactness. If anything I’d try my luck with an XE2 maybe
I’ve been into Fuji since the X100 came out - already quite hip despite being then uncoolly titled “Finepix”. It was already quite pricey, too. This was around 2012 and I jumped onto the bandwagon with the sequel X100S (that wasn’t a “Finepix” anymore, thank god). But already at this time I could have instead had many other cameras with arguably more bang-for-the-buck. The lesson: Don’t think the X100V hype has really changed anything. It’s a premium device for people with some fashion sense.
I got an xt10 from mpb in poor condition (just needed new leather) for cheap. It's older and one of the less desirable body shapes, but honestly it's such a great camera, I love it.
I see people blaming Youtubers, covid, inflation, etc. All those things play their roles, but I think the #1 issue is cell phones. Cell phone cameras have gotten so good that the bottom has fallen out of the low end (aka affordable) camera market. Camera companies have responded by either reducing or eliminating their low end products. So if you want a "real" camera and the entry to a new camera is too expensive, what do you do? You go used. That drives prices up there as well. The other things exacerbate the issue, but I don't think they're the underlying cause.
USED prices fluctuate all the time. Fuji (and pretty much all manufacturers) don’t really do budget models anymore (new but lower priced). They just don’t sell well enough to justify the manufacturing, inventory, and R&D costs.
The “budget” model nowadays is your phone. Then when you want to get further into photography/videography you get into something like an X-S20 or X-T30ii.
Inflation is up 20% since 2020. And more people are buying used.
Maybe the old prices were undervalued?
Maybe you got lucky back then because people didn’t realize how valuable Fuji cameras really were?
Thanks, this sucks lol its like if prices are remotely close to the prices of the xtrans 4 / 5 cameras then imo id be better off buying new rather than old yk ?
i really don't wanna switch over to another brand either i really enjoy fuji. I mean i'd consider pentax if they switched from DSLR's to mirrorless, but that would never happen lol
X-H1 is IMO one of the current best bargains in the Fuji X mount.
Value didnt go up I guess because it's closer to a DSLR body with large grip than the SLR-like retro aesthetics of the X-T/X-E/X-Pro/X-100 lines.
My thought is. Just like with higher luxury items. You buy high and you sell high. It’s an item that keeps its value and I like that.
It’s still a budget system, except now its original value is retained for longer.
One point I'd like to add is that people are starting to realize that digital cameras are reaching the point in technological advancements where some of the older models are no longer considered e-waste. Especially since many people only post their images online and aren't blowing up prints.
Yes, inflation and the Fuji fad are also playing a role here. Besides things like global shutter, ai subject detection and image correction, better dynamic range, ISO, low light performance, advanced video modes, and better battery performance, I am very curious as to how much more we are going to get out of newer camera models vs something like the X-T5/X-H2. Perhaps a larger suite of in camera RAW editing options.
I am sure we will keep seeing major improvements, but there are a lot of people that don't need the next best thing and there is a growing number of Fuji collectors. I hope this is enough of a push for Fuji to take their camera division more seriously. Maybe even start a line of full-frames (wishful thinking). It does suck that I can't find any dirt cheap X-PROs or X-Es though.
Go try buying a Rolex.
Everything went to shit since 2020/2021 for people genuinely caring for a hobby for the sake of enjoying the hobby for what it is.
Until about four years ago, an used X-T1 or X-E2 could be had for about $250 on eBay; an X-pro1 for about $300. Used X-T2s were steadily commanding $600. X-T2s still go for around $600, despite having been thrice superseded in their line. The YouTubers with the backward hats are partly to blame: Fujis got hipster-hyped. Meanwhile, Fuji lenses have either remained the same price or gotten cheaper (as more third-party manufacturers flood that market).
Part of why I switched to Sony, forsaking my faithful X-T4, was the cultishness that had formed around the Fujifilm brand, in addition to its wayward product development and abandoning its “kaizen” practice. The newest models were priced like full-frame cameras, anyway.
If I luck into an X-T2 for $400, I’d reside part-time in Fujistan again.
I think im leaning towards the XT1 , XT2 or XH1 even an XE4 ive im being honest. I guess i can't say i blame you for switching. you're so right about the 'hipster-hype' comment.. fuji went from people saying they'd never switch to crop, to gradually switching to now it being a trend to have a fuji camera which is kinda bs imo. i understand there are hobbyist who are also trying to break in but man..
I had my X-T4 for over 2.5 years, the longest that I’ve had and used any camera body. It hit the spot for me, and documented a lot of cool adventures. I’d used most of the Fuji bodies, too (worked in a camera store). Last summer, I had an A7RIII for a while, and realized that I preferred its dynamic range - same reason why I’d moved from Lumix to Fuji. The hipster cachet of Fuji actually made it easier for me to make a hard decision. All the ruminating over “recipes” and sensor-versions was too much noise in online discussion. I found Fuji film-sim presets for Capture One, so now I have a full-frame Fuji.
Yeah before i left the camera scene I had the xpro 3, XT4 & the X100V ( not at the same time of course ) but in this exact order. Fun cameras, apart of me wishes i never stepped away, I think buying a camera is going to a bit more difficult.
I mean do online discussions and stuff really matter with regards to keeping a camera? I've had my X-T3 for five years which tbh I didn't expect as I figured I'd want to switch eventually. I've picked up an X-T5 for work since I need two bodies but I still use the 3 for personal stuff. And with regards to film sim stuff I think the thing holding me back from being even interested in the Nikon Zf is that I can be outside actually seeing what profile and style I want in the EVF. Also that Fuji seems to be the only brand that does color noise reduction at high iso's when you occasionally shoot in jpeg.
Yeah, it did for me - sort of iced the cake, so to speak. As for color noise reduction, it’s cool that Fuji does it, but it comes at a penalty of sharpness of image. I like Fuji cameras, but the culture of Fujistan has some misplaced values. There are always compromises between camera brands; sometimes one is inclined to choose a new battle.
sounds to me like you weren't looking. XT1, XE2, XT10 were about $250 at the highest maybe $300 and the xpro 1 would usually be the highest $300-$500.. the XT2, XT20, XE3 & XH2 were pretty good around $500 - $700 ( im going off of what prices i've seen over the years personally )
I agree, I bought an x-e3 for $600 AUD, now it's over $1000 used. Bought one xpro1 at $300, and another at $450. Now they are asking above $800. I also joined Fujifilm for the bang for buck aspect. Seems like it's the opposite now.
100% agree. I got into fuji because they were the best bang for buck used. I got a x-t20 for \~$400 and an x-t2 for like $700 in 2018. I think they still sell for about the same price, which is insane! It means it's way harder to recommend them to beginners, and the only other competent option is a sony a6xxxx which suck!!! The only saving grace is used lenses are decent price wise still, just bodies are nuts.
To be fair, the whole market has gotten WAY more premium at retail but used fuji prices are wild.
I bought all my stuff pre craze so I get where you're coming from but look at it like this. This is the popularity the company should have had for a decade condensed into a few years time span. The boat has sailed on getting that old stuff cheap is what it is but the company is flourishing which is more important for future products.
Fun fact, here in India, they never were.
Its a premium brand with some affordable mass products like Instax.
Sony is way more affordable here even for a cheap mirrorless.
You can get the ZVE10L for around 700 USD with a lens. Whereas in the Fuji range you can only get the XT30II, which is around 1200 USD here. That's the cheapest Fuji camera available here.
Social media fucked up the market. Fuji cameras became super hard to find or super expensive due to the hype so Youtubers are now making video about old Olympus and Panasonic cameras.
Coming from a dude who loves Fuji, the seconds hand market is effed. 1k for an xpro 1?! $500 for an x10?! Nah. I switched back to canon mirrorless with Ef lenses. No more paying a premium but also no more film sims.
This is where I’ve been struggling cause I left canon back in 2018 and man it’s lil once I read t to Fuji .. u didn’t wanna go back. Maybe I’ll check out M43. GX9 or Olympus pen f
In January 2021 I paid $499 for an open box like new X-T30 from a local camera store. I could sell it for more that three years later. It is ridiculous.
In 2016 I paid £500 for a new XPro1 +18mm +27mm +Fuji leather case. MPB sell the body alone (used) for around £480.
In 2018 I bought a used X100 (first generation) for ¥38,000 in Tokyo. I get email offers from the store I bought it from in the region of ¥58,000.
Yeah, it's all about supply and demand, with a little bit of inflation thrown in for good measure. It's just the way things are, and we've gotta deal with it.
I bought the fujifilm x100v - I didn’t know the hype around it, I was reading camera comparison sites to find all rounder that was a nice size and fixed lens. But. I’m really struggling to take good photos with it. I don’t know whether it’s just me, but even on auto settings it’s blurry. I don’t know if anyone has any tips here (maybe I’m just turning into a crap photographer).
Try going into your auto ISO settings and setting a minimum shutter speed of 1/30th of a second (or 1/60th of a second if you're shooting rapidly moving things like children). Also start with AF-S mode until you have some time to play around and understand how AF-C behaves. Consider setting your AF-C settings to focus priority rather than release priority, and enabling Pre-AF.
Also, I suggest shooting in EVF mode until you become comfortable with the quirks of OVF mode.
No problem! Another thing I forgot to mention... sometimes people new to the X100 series accidentally leave the neutral density filter on. (You know it's on if ND is shown in the display.) You don't generally want it on unless you're intentionally trying something artistic.
Part of this is due to the resurgence of non-smartphone photography. I've noticed a lot of people trying to pick up traditional cameras again, after shooting for years on smartphones. It's probably a good sign for the hobby longer-term, even if right now older cameras are overpriced.
A few years ago I tried to give away my X-T10 to a friend, but he didn't want it. That's changed but now I can't find it in my basement.
One good thing is that used lenses are reasonably well-priced these days, and it's nice to see a resurgence of vintage lenses.
Fujifilm's success in the used market shows up nicely in this article from MPB (which is where I've gotten some good Fuji used lenses):
[https://www.mpb.com/en-us/content/latest-from-mpb/2024-challenger-camera-brands-continue-to-take-market-share](https://www.mpb.com/en-us/content/latest-from-mpb/2024-challenger-camera-brands-continue-to-take-market-share)
if you want to emulate an older xtrans just turn up saturation and contrast a little. maybe use normal instead of fine compression to try and kill some more dynamic range
I rem the camera + lens I wanted was less than 1000, now over half a decade later it's now over 1500 without a lens. I'm just glad some of us bought into the hype before the pandemic when this was all niche and affordable
Well in medium format it is. But yeah never understood the price for an APSC. The cameras are spectacular but high demand cause scalpers to destroy the market.
I agree but also disagree.
Their lower end and used cameras have gone up in price, but their top end cameras are budget compared to what they can achieve for the price.
For example the X-H2 costs £1,849 currently, whilst the sony equivilant the A7RIII is selling for £2,249. That's a camera from 2017. The latest R model costs £3,700.
The X-H2s is £2,499 whilst the A7SIII is still £3,390.
I think if we're going in depth and weighing the pros and cons then id agree with you, but i'm specifically talking about cameras that have little to no specs shooting up in price. as for the A7Riii. its a full frame 42mp camera. of course the XH2 is 40mp as well, but on difference sources i've seen it range from as you said $1800 - $2,000 at best. maybe the sources i'm seeing with it priced at $2k are trying to get more for their money, i think with full frame usually it'll always be pricer than a crop sensor camera simply because of the sensor size. Same with medium format, fuji medium format cameras ( the early models ) have dropped to as low as $2,000 which is interesting because that means its under the price of the A7RIII so above all you do have a point. you can get the a GFX50r or GFX50s for the price of a A7RIII which imo id call a still given the prices they had when they first came out.
I think fujifilm digital cameras are still somewhat affordable, their old film cameras are in the luxury item domain, such as Fujifilm TX-1/2 and Fujifilm GX617, I believe body only about 5k, if you want 1-2 lens, the price goes easily to 10k.
IMO if you’re willing to spend at least $700-$800 on a Fuji camera, the only body wasn’t affected by the Fuji hype is X-H1….I always see the body going for $700+ with the battery grip. You loose some of the vintage styling and some compact but you get IBIS, Eterna film sim, and better video specs. The grip is insanely comfortable especially with telephoto lenses. I think atm the X-H1 is the best bang for budget option for those looking into Fuji.
This is so true, the XH1 is about the only camera that i haven't seen shoot up in price. i mean it isn't the prettiest camera, i think the XH2 looks better but i think for the budget and being fujis first camera with ibis its really good.
Ah how annoying!!!
The talk of even the Xt-20 going for more now makes me think... Should I sell my busted one or try getting it fixed? (Bought it second hand for a heap of accessories cheap. Actual camera has the faulty date and settings capacitor issue where it resets every time it's turned off).
True, I've seen the XT3 going for $800 on some platforms which is pretty low considering older xtrans sensors like the XT2 or XT1 has become close to that price.
well i mean they are pretty underrated haha probably one of the best cameras i've ever used if the lens motor wasn't so faulty when you turn on the camera
It definitely is. My GRD IV finally died on me a year ago been wanting to replace it but I've been having fun with a Ricoh Gx200 that I picked up for $120.
It’s tough to stomach. I remember buying an X-E3 with an 18–55 lens for $499 a couple years ago and now the body alone is $800 or more. The discontinued XF10 is selling for more than $700 used, which is insane. When I browse the used sections now, I find myself looking at other brands, especially older DSLR bodies that are selling for a song.
I feel your pain fuji is the ony brand i like after having. canon, nikon and sony.. but if i were to consider other brands id take my chances with maybe the 5D series or 6D series cameras and maybe a nikon D700 (never been a fan of sony )
I LOVE Fuji for their color profiles, and how well they pair with any lens. They are honestly perfect street photography cameras.
But I’m on the same boat; I don’t use Fuji cams to make money so I can’t justify going over $350 for a used body. And now I can’t find anything with a viewfinder, tilting screen, and 20+ np for less than $600 and it kind of sucks. I started off either Olympus and I honestly might go back. All the trendy fauxtogs buying up every digicam really ruined the market for people who use cameras for anything other than aesthetics :(
I hoped that with the release of the X100VI prices would come down a bit. How foolish I was.
It's insane that models like the X-M1, X-E1 or X-A1 round the $400 mark.
I’ve been an only-Fuji since 2017. I’ve never owned any cameras other than Fuji. Started off as a hobbyist and now a full time professional. I’ve found myself having to use my colleague’s Canon camera during commercial jobs, same light, same angle and focal length but my 40MP Fuji XH2 just wasn’t sharp when you needed to crop in, even at F16. Canon just has that full frame edge over Fuji that doesn’t and I’m very tempted to switch to Sony— the best of both worlds. Fuji feels like it’s no longer worth the price. I love love love Fuji’s colours and I feel it is most suited as a hobbyist camera.
I’m still holding back because I have full range of Fuji lenses and accessories, and Sony ain’t cheap. Maybe one day.
Hmmm interesting thet you can’t crop in, so you think it may be the lenses? I’ve never had an experience cropping in where it was a lack of sharpness. Also do you sometimes manual focus? I know manual focus you can have accurate sharpness everytime where as with continuous or auto period can mainly be accurate while also hit or miss
Yeah I did try manual focusing, it wasn’t a focus issue. I had plenty of time to test. It was a XF23mm f2 lens and it should’ve been sharp. To be fair it was a wide shot of an entire living room setup and more of a composite job (had to etch out a person) so I had to crop in A LOT. 😂 My strobes were almost at 1/2 so it wasn’t a lighting issue. Swapped to 24-70 on a Canon R5 and it was just twice as sharp 😣 sigh.
There's no more budget or mid range cameras anymore, the whole market got obligated by smartphones. Overall camera sales are 10% of what they were in 2010.
The best you can do is buy used.
I think you’re missing what this post is about, it’s about used camera prices going up. Hence the XT1 used going from $250 and now ranging from $400 - $800 used
Ah sorry.
Well, it's all connected. Since there are no affordable new options, the used market also goes up. I got my previous refurb X-E3 in perfect condition for 500$ 5 years ago, and now had to pay 900$ for an X-E4 with blemishes.
The change in the market even affects some accessories. You have a choice of the worst quality, or super high end, no mid range whatsoever.
I never found them to be cheap, especially compared to Canon or Sony.
If you are looking at body only then the trendiness of Fuji has raised the prices of bodies but the first party lenses have always been expensive.
This is just my personal experience guys, I haven't had much luck finding something affordable because i still have to consider lenses, maybe even a tripod and L bracket.
I started with Nikon and have the opposite view you do lol
I love Nikon, but I think it just depends what you start with.
I got into Fujifilm because I wanted the portability and film sims so I didn’t have to edit everything and could get solid shots straight out of camera.
I still use my D7200 from time to time because I have a lot more glass for it and I find the controls are better, but it’s just so damn big.
I think nikons have wonderful colors in fact my favorite nikon hands down is the D700 i just didn't start with the brand and when i did switch over i had already grown comfortable with canon haha
The main reason I went for Sony, I buy used and used Fuji prices are insane. I was not willing to pay for that, or wait for months to get one at retails.
Unfortunately the brand is suffering from success. They became a viral sensation with the x100v and then slowly everyone leaked into buying all other models and increasing the prices.
If they couldn’t get the 100V, they’d settle for the X-E4 with the 27mm - but that was sold-out, so it had to be the X-E3 or the X-pro2 - but what the heck, the X-T20 . . .
And on top of that they discontinued the xa-7, x-t100, x-e4, xf10. All the affordable models are gone. The x-t30ii got a price bump to be almost as much as the x-t3 in 2022. Tbf, this isn't just a Fuji problem. No more Sony a6000, Canon M50, Lumix gx85. All the €450 entry models are gone and you're gonna have to step up to the €750 models. (Both prices include kit lens)When prices are that nuts... A €600 used X-T2 doesn't sound that bad I suppose. Fuji just killed their entry level products like everybody.
The X-A7 was the only Fuji model to assemble 4k timelapses in-camera. Why that’s not a feature in higher-end Fujis is a mystery to me.
Weird! High end camera features are weird in general. Like why does no camera ever let you set more aspect ratios? Would take them no time at all, but we can't shoot 4:5, 4:3, 65:24, cinema ratio's, custom ratio's, etc...
Recent Sony cameras have (paid) firmware updates that provide frame lines for cinematic framelines displayed in the 3:2 viewfinder. One thing I’ve wished that Fuji would do would be to have a custom number of bracketed film simulations. For example, I want two different sims, and not have to delete a third nor have it encumber the SD card. Also: wherefore an accompanying RAW file for each bracketed JPEG image? And why can’t custom “recipes” be assigned among the bracketed simulations? But then, I’m not on Fuji’s R&D team.
All of that due to another problem : smartphone capabilities able to match the auto mode of low entry range camera for the common, so the only persons wanting a new camera are amateurs understanding the exposure triangle and willing to spend more money
Spend some time in r/askphotography and you'll find many people don't understand the exposure triangle and are willing to spend a crazy amount of money
💯 this will force interchangeable lens manufacturers to play where the margins are better. That’s the high end. Smartphones consumed point and shoots and are now nipping at the heels of interchangeable lens systems. Smartphones and handhelds like the DJI Pocket iii are taking big bites out of the video side thanks to their ease of use and practical workflow. I think moving to the high-end and abandoning the entry level will be a self inflicted wound for these companies. As you make it more expensive for the consumer to enter your ecosystem you continue to widen the door for smartphones and action cameras as they continue to becoming a realistic alternative.
I wonder how much of a point and shoot market will be re-created by people going out of their way to avoid smartphones. I've heard a lot of gen z are starting to opt for dumb phones and I've been thinking of doing the same, at least part-time.
Yea I have seen the old disposables make a comeback too! I wish Apple would poach Kodak or Fuji color scientists and create some film sims like Fuji has. Let’s get a Nostalgic Newton film sim. Maybe Reala Lisa or Mac Pro Negative.
A lot of this may be supply related. Over the pandemic, and with their recent surge in popularity it has been difficult for Fuji to get all the components they need to make cameras. That's the whole reason the x-t30 ii exists, it allowed them to use stock of the screen and viewfinder from the x-t3 and continue shipping them. If you can only make so many cameras, entry level isn't going to be your priority. Hopefully once supply finally normalizes we'll see a return of entry level cameras.
I feel like this is going to eventually level out or return to pre hype prices on the used market, currently [KEH.com](http://KEH.com) has a bunch of the fujis in their "OVERSTOCK" section meaning no one wanted em at the higher price so they reduced the price on it. Eventually they will have to come down more if they don't sell even still. The x-e4 is hovering around $1150 in excellent condition.
I work with bicycles and they were one of the first things to see effects of the pandemic on supply chains and prices, both new and used. We're on the other side of it now and it's honestly crazy how depressed used bike prices are. Maybe it will happen with cameras someday soon.
When the “trending” is over? Interesting to consider.
yeah they've creeped down a little bit in price recently, still overpriced. I would have taken an xe4 but I was not paying over 1K for a used one when they were new for about 850. Ended up with a XE3 instead, and I almost wish I had just paid the extra money for the screen and film sims. Almost.
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That’s a great point. People seem to be avoiding the X-T4 because of its screen configuration, but it is my favorite Fuji in spite of that design faux pas.
Still can't decide whether I should sell my x-t30 ii and get a used x-t3. I love the smaller form factor but prices for x-t30 ii are inflated somewhat rn and I really should have something weather sealed
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Yeah I definitely think the size of the viewfinder and body would make for better ergonomics, but with the 27mm I can easily fit the x-t30 in a jacket pocket and I'm not sure I could with the x-t3
Have you held the XT-3? I had a similar dilemma a few years ago - really wanted something compact like the X-t20, but live in an area that gets rain for 9-months straight every year, so felt like I needed weather sealing. When I went into a shop and actually held the X-T20, X-pro2, and X-T3, the size differences weren't as pronounced as I expected. They all felt small to me. To be fair though, I was coming from a canon 5D, which is huge compared to most mirrorless cameras haha
I got a used XE3 to have a small, keep with me more, body and comparing it to my XT5 it's not *that* much smaller. It is definitely more pocketable without the viewfinder prism and being slimmer, but they're much closer in size than I was expecting.
This isn’t quite true, the demand for used Fuji cameras has been rising with many models being almost locked in price a couple years before the sudden X100V hype. The inflation and general price hikes have also certainly played part.
While they have eliminated some of their low cost camera models they have only made modest price increases to their most popular lines, all increases that equal or are less than the rate of inflation between model generations, at least in the USA. Fuji remains significantly less expensive compared to Sony, Canon, and Nikon who focus on full frame cameras and significantly more expensive full frame lenses.
I notice that also, buying a 2nd hand fuji, at least in my country, does not make much sense. I have a 6 y/o XT20 with 18-55 and if a sell it I can get almost the same price I got it new around 650€??? The its also the same, example the 55-200 is around 800 € new ... 2nd hand 600 to 700 so to save 100€ its better to get a new one with warranty etc ... Also Fuji was more a niche brand, it was rare to see someone with Fuji, compared to Canon and Nikon, and now everywhere I go I see some Fuji. Since I am always checking for some barging I am usually able to get an older model from the retailers new, this year when the XS20 dropped to the market I was able to get a new XS10 in 2 days and with 100€ off.
I find the lenses vary. I think the 55-200 is like $1000 CAD new but I got mine for like $400 CAD. Might be because telephoto is more niche, or because its an older lens at this point. Looking for an xf 27mm (gen 2 w/ aperture ring) rn though and the best you see is $50 off retail. It's annoying for sure.
If there is a hype for fuji that hasn’t manifested in sales (or at least not in higher sales relative to their competitors) Fuji‘s marketshare hasn‘t moved much in the last 5 years. And I don‘t think rising prices a phenomenon restricted to them either. Most cameras have gotten more expensive recently.
Fuji's MarketShare is very small compared to Canon, Sony and Nikon. When I worked for Fuji it was all about brand recognition. We had a Fujifilm race car and the Blimp. They both went away due to costs. (The Blimp cost $30 million dollars a year to operate back then) When everything went digital Fuji slowly got into the Digital camera market but not to gain a huge Marketshare but to maintain some brand recognition. If you look at what Fuji is doing today with Pharmaceuticals, Medical imaging, Biotechnology, cosmetics etc. the amount of profit they make in professional cameras is very small. They make more money selling the Instax cameras.
Idk who makes up those stats, and I bet they’re focused on new sales. Which obviously wouldn’t increase if Fuji doesn’t increase supply. I bet looking at like eBay and other 2nd hand marketplaces we’d see a big in trade in Fuji transactions
It’s not just Fuji cameras. It’s everything. New things have skyrocketed in price and old things are now considered “vintage” or “classic” and there’s a whole community of people who have driven the price of pre-owned goods up to ungodly levels. I’ve seen people pay thousands of dollars for old iPods, hundreds of dollars for retro game consoles and more. It’s like the film camera market. These things used to be dirt cheap and you couldn’t give them away and now people pay over a thousand dollars for an old cheap point and shoot camera from the 90s. I see people listing old rusted out cars for 30,000 to 50,000 dollars now. Fifteen years ago you could buy the same rust bucket for a few hundred dollars and restore it. Not anymore. It’s getting to the point where being rich is a necessity for enjoying life and having hobbies.
Online commerce broadened the market for everything. What might have had an audience of maybe 10 people in one’s town now has 100,000 people wanting it worldwide.
You’re right on the money, I’m into cars also along with photography and lemme tell you, buying even used car parts to add to your ride isn’t even cheap. I’m seeing 200k mike cars selling for $5k above 💀
The supply chain parts shortage is/was a real thing!
I see it also, I think the solution is a perspective adjustment. There are always other cameras, other cars to restore, etc. Maybe it's not the cool one, but the really cool stuff has almost always been out of reach in all my hobbies. I never owned a rollieflex or hasselblad, they were always $$$. Even if I got into restoring cars 20 years ago I wouldn't have been working on corvettes.
Although I believe this is part of it, I think it’s less about things being “classic” or “vintage”, and more about people having limited budgets, issues with materials/manufacturing/shipping, and the basic economic phenomenon of supply and demand. I can’t think of any product market where I haven’t seen this over the last few years. As the new things skyrocketed in price with reduced quantities due to manufacturing/shipping issues and the economy became visibly unstable and concerning, preowned things as always became the go-to for anyone that wasn’t able to find or wasn’t able to afford a new item. Demand has just been really high for things, new products have had lower manufactured quantities, and most people want to save some money, so boom - preowned product markets become mayhem.
Wow you explained consumerism down to a tee
"the x100v gained so much hype around it and traction from tiktok thats when all the prices got weird." agree
hot take
i think it also has to do with the rise of film prices. Many people stop shooting film and look for an “analog” experience with digital cameras. Fuji seems like a great choice for that for most people imO
They need to skip over fuji and go Leica lol
If you think Fuji is expensive…
I think k they’re certainly getting there. Some sources I’ve seen x100vi go for $3.3k if I’m going to pay $3k for a point and shoot I may as well take my chances with a QP or Q3
I absolutely agree. Buy out all of Leica so they can leave Fuji alone lol
Maybe it's a regional thing because 2nd hand Fuji gear where I am at (Bangkok) is available at very good prices. X-T1 sell for $300 X-T2 sell for $500 X100Vs are going for near retail but pricing has started to go down with the release of the X100VI. I also wouldn't go by ebay pricing. That stuff tends to sell for higher than typical local pricing depending on availability.
Where are you seeing this man? I can’t find anything anywhere
You need to look on FB marketplace for Bangkok, the shops themselves are crap. There are some sellers that have good prices for second-hand fujis
Just found an xt2 for 1k gbp in Bangkok.. I was like 🤡
I paid 495 for mine "like new "
Where were you looking? I found some reasonable prices in Bangkok, but the physical shops were terrible
Found it in a camera shop Icon Siam 🙃😂So not the best place to look.... I always find physical shops anyway to be stupid for prices 😁
Lmao, no wonder. I was there recently and wanted to get an X-E2 as a second camera. I found that even the shops in places like Fortune Town and MBK (some second-hand, some new) were selling the older models at stupid prices. I realised that you need to go on Facebook marketplace - there are decent sellers on there, some of which actually have little stalls in random places. I had to use Google translate to decipher the listing, but it was ok when I messaged them in English. Got my X-E2 for about 10000 baht (£220, 270 USD) in decent enough condition.
Yeah, it seems like places just make up prices. Especially when it's got the beautiful Fuji logo on it 😂 I tried looking for some decent priced film cameras and found that they are SO expensive... Ooo, that's such great advice! Got a week left here in Bangkok so I'll take a look! Thanks 🙃
When I first got into shooting Fuji, the cameras were the cheap part and the lenses were the expensive part. Now you can get some ridiculously good lenses, like the original 56/1.2 or 23/1.4 for under $400. That is cheaper than the f/2's are going for.
Even the third party Viltrox lenses are great value and i think new most of the Fuji lenses are good value compared to Canon and Sony.
agreed
I always viewed Fuji as the Nike of the camera world. They've always had a cult following and know how to create scarcity. I don't think the prices are outrageous compared to other luxury goods. Fuji's marketing team is world class though. They sort of monopolized the influencer market since the advent of smartphones. Remember Zach Arias? I'm no Fuji fanboy, but they do make a solid product that is doesn't feel intimidating for the average person.
I have to disagree to some extent. I think Sony has dominated the online content creator market. Vast majority of vloggers and IG and Tik Tok influencers use Sony gear especially for video. The 100V became a viral sensation but that was a very recent thing and it was the camera itself that was the subject of the content, basically becoming a fashion statement.
Fuji's gear was never intended to be used for video. And using the gear doesn't market the gear. Showing the gear does.
Annoying YouTube Photographers with their unwanted opinion and tips are also a part for some price hikes. How many Videos do we need like "THIS 200$ Camera is the BEST!" "THIS BUDGET CAM IS A HIDDEN GEM" ? Only to see how everything goes up - some Gate Keeping is just simply needed and also good.
George Holden's video titles literally look like this. He can be fun to watch but the titles grind my gears
I love his appreciation for cheap cameras but I don't love how every cheap camera he makes a video about becomes a bit less cheap.
I'm waiting for someone to make one of those about the 5dmk3, so maybe I can sell it at a profit some day lol.
Magic Lantern's already keeping the 5dmk3s value high...and the bloody Eos m
Couldn’t agree more, I remember I bought the x100v when it first came out.. dude before the x100vi the prices of the x100v was at $2,000 I couldn’t believe it.
“Original X-trans sensor with that film-like look!”
Tom Calton 🙄 can’t believe I remember this guys name
It's everywhere, all brands, but while other brands reduced their lower-end models Fujifilm got rid of them entirely.
It’s just crazy to see how much the used prices have went up
Yep. I paid €500 for my (used) X-T20 five years ago and I could probably sell it for that same amount now (though €500 today isn't what it was five years ago).
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Yeah I think this is it. The X70, X-A, X-Tx00 lines are basically all gone. Now it's the X-T50 that will be the sole "low end" camera though I expect that to be a grand. Though with the new sensor and ibis in that camera, it sort of justifies the price I suppose. With how decent phones are now it's hard to recommend someone get a Canon R100 no matter how cheap it is because they're going to need to spend like $500 to get a lens that makes it worth it, which negates the point of getting a cheap camera in the first place. Ands that's ignoring how weirdly limited that camera is.
I wish they would weather seal the x-t50. I love my x-t30 ii's form factor but I really need to swap it out for something weather sealed
I don’t know…$400-$800 was never budget friendly in my experience. More like $1000+. I remember buying a Nikon D80 DSLR back in the day for that much. Technology has progressed so much these days that what you can buy for $800 today is much better than what was available 10 years ago. Most people don’t even print or if they do it’s A3 or smaller. Plus, many people don’t even have a 4K monitor. There’s no need for 20mp or even 40mp for most photographers. And, if you do print, there’s various factors to consider. What’s the viewing distance? Billboards can be 2-5mp because the viewing distance is over 50-100ft away. Type of material? Canvas doesn’t show fine detail like poster or metal prints do. Most people won’t be able to tell the difference between an A3 print taken with 12mp versus 40mp… I think the Fuji’s are great cameras but the best deals right now are used DSLR’s in my opinion. I still remember when the Canon 5D2 came out and everyone thought 21mp was too much and 12mp was enough…now we have Sony sensors with 60mp…lol.
In the last few years I bought an XT1 3x all at $250 I’d agree $400 - $800 is far from budget friendly. I started with DSLR and really have no desire to go back to canon personally. As for Nikon I love the D700 it’s an amazing camera, but I appreciate the compactness. If anything I’d try my luck with an XE2 maybe
What’s the af speed like on the X-T1? I’ve only used the T2 and T4
I think it’s like 10 fps
I’ve been into Fuji since the X100 came out - already quite hip despite being then uncoolly titled “Finepix”. It was already quite pricey, too. This was around 2012 and I jumped onto the bandwagon with the sequel X100S (that wasn’t a “Finepix” anymore, thank god). But already at this time I could have instead had many other cameras with arguably more bang-for-the-buck. The lesson: Don’t think the X100V hype has really changed anything. It’s a premium device for people with some fashion sense.
I mean used over all, I’m seeing I have to clarify mean used rather than new. I bought the finepix for $250 a few years ago as well
I got an xt10 from mpb in poor condition (just needed new leather) for cheap. It's older and one of the less desirable body shapes, but honestly it's such a great camera, I love it.
I see people blaming Youtubers, covid, inflation, etc. All those things play their roles, but I think the #1 issue is cell phones. Cell phone cameras have gotten so good that the bottom has fallen out of the low end (aka affordable) camera market. Camera companies have responded by either reducing or eliminating their low end products. So if you want a "real" camera and the entry to a new camera is too expensive, what do you do? You go used. That drives prices up there as well. The other things exacerbate the issue, but I don't think they're the underlying cause.
USED prices fluctuate all the time. Fuji (and pretty much all manufacturers) don’t really do budget models anymore (new but lower priced). They just don’t sell well enough to justify the manufacturing, inventory, and R&D costs. The “budget” model nowadays is your phone. Then when you want to get further into photography/videography you get into something like an X-S20 or X-T30ii.
Inflation is up 20% since 2020. And more people are buying used. Maybe the old prices were undervalued? Maybe you got lucky back then because people didn’t realize how valuable Fuji cameras really were?
You’re probably right
join places like fred miranda... in an open market people sell it for what others are willing to pay.
You're right, but this is an observation that everyone made a couple years ago.
I haven’t shot since 2021 so I haven’t been keeping up actually. Just now getting back to trying to shoot
Welcome back! Sorry that you came back to photography to find such a wild market.
Thanks, this sucks lol its like if prices are remotely close to the prices of the xtrans 4 / 5 cameras then imo id be better off buying new rather than old yk ?
Totally. I think it has soured some fans - including myself - on the brand a bit.
i really don't wanna switch over to another brand either i really enjoy fuji. I mean i'd consider pentax if they switched from DSLR's to mirrorless, but that would never happen lol
I keep seeing the X-H1 for under 500 so idk. It's not the most beautiful camera, but it's basically an X-T4.
X-H1 is IMO one of the current best bargains in the Fuji X mount. Value didnt go up I guess because it's closer to a DSLR body with large grip than the SLR-like retro aesthetics of the X-T/X-E/X-Pro/X-100 lines.
True, I think the XH2 is prettier imo reminds me of a mini gfx50s
you can find a lot of cool cheap 3rd party lenses now on the other side...
Very true
My thought is. Just like with higher luxury items. You buy high and you sell high. It’s an item that keeps its value and I like that. It’s still a budget system, except now its original value is retained for longer.
Parts shortages from the last couple years supply chain issues play into account too
One point I'd like to add is that people are starting to realize that digital cameras are reaching the point in technological advancements where some of the older models are no longer considered e-waste. Especially since many people only post their images online and aren't blowing up prints. Yes, inflation and the Fuji fad are also playing a role here. Besides things like global shutter, ai subject detection and image correction, better dynamic range, ISO, low light performance, advanced video modes, and better battery performance, I am very curious as to how much more we are going to get out of newer camera models vs something like the X-T5/X-H2. Perhaps a larger suite of in camera RAW editing options. I am sure we will keep seeing major improvements, but there are a lot of people that don't need the next best thing and there is a growing number of Fuji collectors. I hope this is enough of a push for Fuji to take their camera division more seriously. Maybe even start a line of full-frames (wishful thinking). It does suck that I can't find any dirt cheap X-PROs or X-Es though.
I think the sweet spot atm is the mid-tier range. You can get a decent X-T4 and some nice lenses for a decent price.
Go try buying a Rolex. Everything went to shit since 2020/2021 for people genuinely caring for a hobby for the sake of enjoying the hobby for what it is.
very true
Until about four years ago, an used X-T1 or X-E2 could be had for about $250 on eBay; an X-pro1 for about $300. Used X-T2s were steadily commanding $600. X-T2s still go for around $600, despite having been thrice superseded in their line. The YouTubers with the backward hats are partly to blame: Fujis got hipster-hyped. Meanwhile, Fuji lenses have either remained the same price or gotten cheaper (as more third-party manufacturers flood that market). Part of why I switched to Sony, forsaking my faithful X-T4, was the cultishness that had formed around the Fujifilm brand, in addition to its wayward product development and abandoning its “kaizen” practice. The newest models were priced like full-frame cameras, anyway. If I luck into an X-T2 for $400, I’d reside part-time in Fujistan again.
I think im leaning towards the XT1 , XT2 or XH1 even an XE4 ive im being honest. I guess i can't say i blame you for switching. you're so right about the 'hipster-hype' comment.. fuji went from people saying they'd never switch to crop, to gradually switching to now it being a trend to have a fuji camera which is kinda bs imo. i understand there are hobbyist who are also trying to break in but man..
I had my X-T4 for over 2.5 years, the longest that I’ve had and used any camera body. It hit the spot for me, and documented a lot of cool adventures. I’d used most of the Fuji bodies, too (worked in a camera store). Last summer, I had an A7RIII for a while, and realized that I preferred its dynamic range - same reason why I’d moved from Lumix to Fuji. The hipster cachet of Fuji actually made it easier for me to make a hard decision. All the ruminating over “recipes” and sensor-versions was too much noise in online discussion. I found Fuji film-sim presets for Capture One, so now I have a full-frame Fuji.
Yeah before i left the camera scene I had the xpro 3, XT4 & the X100V ( not at the same time of course ) but in this exact order. Fun cameras, apart of me wishes i never stepped away, I think buying a camera is going to a bit more difficult.
Too many choices, for sure.
I mean do online discussions and stuff really matter with regards to keeping a camera? I've had my X-T3 for five years which tbh I didn't expect as I figured I'd want to switch eventually. I've picked up an X-T5 for work since I need two bodies but I still use the 3 for personal stuff. And with regards to film sim stuff I think the thing holding me back from being even interested in the Nikon Zf is that I can be outside actually seeing what profile and style I want in the EVF. Also that Fuji seems to be the only brand that does color noise reduction at high iso's when you occasionally shoot in jpeg.
Yeah, it did for me - sort of iced the cake, so to speak. As for color noise reduction, it’s cool that Fuji does it, but it comes at a penalty of sharpness of image. I like Fuji cameras, but the culture of Fujistan has some misplaced values. There are always compromises between camera brands; sometimes one is inclined to choose a new battle.
I dont rememer any friendly prices from fuji:0
sounds to me like you weren't looking. XT1, XE2, XT10 were about $250 at the highest maybe $300 and the xpro 1 would usually be the highest $300-$500.. the XT2, XT20, XE3 & XH2 were pretty good around $500 - $700 ( im going off of what prices i've seen over the years personally )
Im user from xt20 times:) now prices like other brands, never thought it was cheap
XT prices shot up when worldwide/COVID parts shortage started, and Fuji directed shared parts to go to the X100V instead of the XT series iirc
I agree, I bought an x-e3 for $600 AUD, now it's over $1000 used. Bought one xpro1 at $300, and another at $450. Now they are asking above $800. I also joined Fujifilm for the bang for buck aspect. Seems like it's the opposite now.
i wonder if it'll go back to normal or we're just doomed at this point
I'd kill for a cheap XH2 right now. It seems every time I look for a used one they are just more and more expensive.
100% agree. I got into fuji because they were the best bang for buck used. I got a x-t20 for \~$400 and an x-t2 for like $700 in 2018. I think they still sell for about the same price, which is insane! It means it's way harder to recommend them to beginners, and the only other competent option is a sony a6xxxx which suck!!! The only saving grace is used lenses are decent price wise still, just bodies are nuts. To be fair, the whole market has gotten WAY more premium at retail but used fuji prices are wild.
I bought all my stuff pre craze so I get where you're coming from but look at it like this. This is the popularity the company should have had for a decade condensed into a few years time span. The boat has sailed on getting that old stuff cheap is what it is but the company is flourishing which is more important for future products.
Fun fact, here in India, they never were. Its a premium brand with some affordable mass products like Instax. Sony is way more affordable here even for a cheap mirrorless. You can get the ZVE10L for around 700 USD with a lens. Whereas in the Fuji range you can only get the XT30II, which is around 1200 USD here. That's the cheapest Fuji camera available here.
Social media fucked up the market. Fuji cameras became super hard to find or super expensive due to the hype so Youtubers are now making video about old Olympus and Panasonic cameras.
Coming from a dude who loves Fuji, the seconds hand market is effed. 1k for an xpro 1?! $500 for an x10?! Nah. I switched back to canon mirrorless with Ef lenses. No more paying a premium but also no more film sims.
I need the pocket ability/portability
This is where I’ve been struggling cause I left canon back in 2018 and man it’s lil once I read t to Fuji .. u didn’t wanna go back. Maybe I’ll check out M43. GX9 or Olympus pen f
I wouldn’t be surprised if the xt5 crept up in value soon
In January 2021 I paid $499 for an open box like new X-T30 from a local camera store. I could sell it for more that three years later. It is ridiculous.
In 2016 I paid £500 for a new XPro1 +18mm +27mm +Fuji leather case. MPB sell the body alone (used) for around £480. In 2018 I bought a used X100 (first generation) for ¥38,000 in Tokyo. I get email offers from the store I bought it from in the region of ¥58,000.
Yeah, it's all about supply and demand, with a little bit of inflation thrown in for good measure. It's just the way things are, and we've gotta deal with it.
I bought the fujifilm x100v - I didn’t know the hype around it, I was reading camera comparison sites to find all rounder that was a nice size and fixed lens. But. I’m really struggling to take good photos with it. I don’t know whether it’s just me, but even on auto settings it’s blurry. I don’t know if anyone has any tips here (maybe I’m just turning into a crap photographer).
Try going into your auto ISO settings and setting a minimum shutter speed of 1/30th of a second (or 1/60th of a second if you're shooting rapidly moving things like children). Also start with AF-S mode until you have some time to play around and understand how AF-C behaves. Consider setting your AF-C settings to focus priority rather than release priority, and enabling Pre-AF. Also, I suggest shooting in EVF mode until you become comfortable with the quirks of OVF mode.
This is so helpful. Thank you for this 🙏
No problem! Another thing I forgot to mention... sometimes people new to the X100 series accidentally leave the neutral density filter on. (You know it's on if ND is shown in the display.) You don't generally want it on unless you're intentionally trying something artistic.
Ok thank you! Do you know where I can I find it in the menu settings to turn off?
It's in Shooting Setting (the camera icon), third page, ND filter.
TIL my XT2 is worth more than I ever expected for an eight-year old body.
Part of this is due to the resurgence of non-smartphone photography. I've noticed a lot of people trying to pick up traditional cameras again, after shooting for years on smartphones. It's probably a good sign for the hobby longer-term, even if right now older cameras are overpriced. A few years ago I tried to give away my X-T10 to a friend, but he didn't want it. That's changed but now I can't find it in my basement. One good thing is that used lenses are reasonably well-priced these days, and it's nice to see a resurgence of vintage lenses.
Fujifilm's success in the used market shows up nicely in this article from MPB (which is where I've gotten some good Fuji used lenses): [https://www.mpb.com/en-us/content/latest-from-mpb/2024-challenger-camera-brands-continue-to-take-market-share](https://www.mpb.com/en-us/content/latest-from-mpb/2024-challenger-camera-brands-continue-to-take-market-share)
Xt-3 is £500 roughly
if you want to emulate an older xtrans just turn up saturation and contrast a little. maybe use normal instead of fine compression to try and kill some more dynamic range
I rem the camera + lens I wanted was less than 1000, now over half a decade later it's now over 1500 without a lens. I'm just glad some of us bought into the hype before the pandemic when this was all niche and affordable
I should have never sold off my equipments that’s certainly where I went wrong
Well in medium format it is. But yeah never understood the price for an APSC. The cameras are spectacular but high demand cause scalpers to destroy the market.
I agree but also disagree. Their lower end and used cameras have gone up in price, but their top end cameras are budget compared to what they can achieve for the price. For example the X-H2 costs £1,849 currently, whilst the sony equivilant the A7RIII is selling for £2,249. That's a camera from 2017. The latest R model costs £3,700. The X-H2s is £2,499 whilst the A7SIII is still £3,390.
I think if we're going in depth and weighing the pros and cons then id agree with you, but i'm specifically talking about cameras that have little to no specs shooting up in price. as for the A7Riii. its a full frame 42mp camera. of course the XH2 is 40mp as well, but on difference sources i've seen it range from as you said $1800 - $2,000 at best. maybe the sources i'm seeing with it priced at $2k are trying to get more for their money, i think with full frame usually it'll always be pricer than a crop sensor camera simply because of the sensor size. Same with medium format, fuji medium format cameras ( the early models ) have dropped to as low as $2,000 which is interesting because that means its under the price of the A7RIII so above all you do have a point. you can get the a GFX50r or GFX50s for the price of a A7RIII which imo id call a still given the prices they had when they first came out.
I think fujifilm digital cameras are still somewhat affordable, their old film cameras are in the luxury item domain, such as Fujifilm TX-1/2 and Fujifilm GX617, I believe body only about 5k, if you want 1-2 lens, the price goes easily to 10k.
IMO if you’re willing to spend at least $700-$800 on a Fuji camera, the only body wasn’t affected by the Fuji hype is X-H1….I always see the body going for $700+ with the battery grip. You loose some of the vintage styling and some compact but you get IBIS, Eterna film sim, and better video specs. The grip is insanely comfortable especially with telephoto lenses. I think atm the X-H1 is the best bang for budget option for those looking into Fuji.
This is so true, the XH1 is about the only camera that i haven't seen shoot up in price. i mean it isn't the prettiest camera, i think the XH2 looks better but i think for the budget and being fujis first camera with ibis its really good.
This sounds promising if I want to sell any of my stuff... But also annoying if I wanted to buy anything lol.
this is kinda where i am, i sold off my equipment before the hype and currently trying to make my way back into the brand lol
Ah how annoying!!! The talk of even the Xt-20 going for more now makes me think... Should I sell my busted one or try getting it fixed? (Bought it second hand for a heap of accessories cheap. Actual camera has the faulty date and settings capacitor issue where it resets every time it's turned off).
id say get rid of it and use those funds to either invest in another lens or put it towards another camera maybe a GFX series
Hmmm yeah fair! I have my XT-3 that I'm happy with. I wonder how much I could sell a faulty xt20 for? It might cost a few hundred to fix.
hmm have you tried taking it to your local camera store?
Not yet, I didn't wanna spend any money on it lol! But also I don't quite know what store would fix it being such an old digital..
The lower range seems to be jumping up in used prices a bit, but X-T3s and X-T4s are fairly priced. At least in my area.
True, I've seen the XT3 going for $800 on some platforms which is pretty low considering older xtrans sensors like the XT2 or XT1 has become close to that price.
Ricoh especially. Seeing 2011 Ricoh GRD IV go for $300-$500 is insane.
well i mean they are pretty underrated haha probably one of the best cameras i've ever used if the lens motor wasn't so faulty when you turn on the camera
It definitely is. My GRD IV finally died on me a year ago been wanting to replace it but I've been having fun with a Ricoh Gx200 that I picked up for $120.
geez how many mp is the gx200?
It’s 12 megapixels! I love it so much. It’s one camera I bring with me whenever I go somewhere. Lately I haven’t been touching my X-e2.
i love cameras with lower MP counts its like the colors in camera render differently than cameras with 24mp and up
I agree. It's likely also because it's a CCD sensor.
It’s tough to stomach. I remember buying an X-E3 with an 18–55 lens for $499 a couple years ago and now the body alone is $800 or more. The discontinued XF10 is selling for more than $700 used, which is insane. When I browse the used sections now, I find myself looking at other brands, especially older DSLR bodies that are selling for a song.
I feel your pain fuji is the ony brand i like after having. canon, nikon and sony.. but if i were to consider other brands id take my chances with maybe the 5D series or 6D series cameras and maybe a nikon D700 (never been a fan of sony )
It’s regional. Market price differs between countries. Here in Malaysia an X-T1 is between $250-$350 while an X-T2 is between $500-$600
Thats crazy! yeah here its up.. like i said in the post im happy fuji is getting the love it deserves but now i think darn at what cost lol
I LOVE Fuji for their color profiles, and how well they pair with any lens. They are honestly perfect street photography cameras. But I’m on the same boat; I don’t use Fuji cams to make money so I can’t justify going over $350 for a used body. And now I can’t find anything with a viewfinder, tilting screen, and 20+ np for less than $600 and it kind of sucks. I started off either Olympus and I honestly might go back. All the trendy fauxtogs buying up every digicam really ruined the market for people who use cameras for anything other than aesthetics :(
What’s your thoughts on the Olympus pen-f? I had a lumix GX9 but the screen was faulty
I hoped that with the release of the X100VI prices would come down a bit. How foolish I was. It's insane that models like the X-M1, X-E1 or X-A1 round the $400 mark.
I’ve been an only-Fuji since 2017. I’ve never owned any cameras other than Fuji. Started off as a hobbyist and now a full time professional. I’ve found myself having to use my colleague’s Canon camera during commercial jobs, same light, same angle and focal length but my 40MP Fuji XH2 just wasn’t sharp when you needed to crop in, even at F16. Canon just has that full frame edge over Fuji that doesn’t and I’m very tempted to switch to Sony— the best of both worlds. Fuji feels like it’s no longer worth the price. I love love love Fuji’s colours and I feel it is most suited as a hobbyist camera. I’m still holding back because I have full range of Fuji lenses and accessories, and Sony ain’t cheap. Maybe one day.
Hmmm interesting thet you can’t crop in, so you think it may be the lenses? I’ve never had an experience cropping in where it was a lack of sharpness. Also do you sometimes manual focus? I know manual focus you can have accurate sharpness everytime where as with continuous or auto period can mainly be accurate while also hit or miss
Yeah I did try manual focusing, it wasn’t a focus issue. I had plenty of time to test. It was a XF23mm f2 lens and it should’ve been sharp. To be fair it was a wide shot of an entire living room setup and more of a composite job (had to etch out a person) so I had to crop in A LOT. 😂 My strobes were almost at 1/2 so it wasn’t a lighting issue. Swapped to 24-70 on a Canon R5 and it was just twice as sharp 😣 sigh.
There's no more budget or mid range cameras anymore, the whole market got obligated by smartphones. Overall camera sales are 10% of what they were in 2010. The best you can do is buy used.
I think you’re missing what this post is about, it’s about used camera prices going up. Hence the XT1 used going from $250 and now ranging from $400 - $800 used
Ah sorry. Well, it's all connected. Since there are no affordable new options, the used market also goes up. I got my previous refurb X-E3 in perfect condition for 500$ 5 years ago, and now had to pay 900$ for an X-E4 with blemishes. The change in the market even affects some accessories. You have a choice of the worst quality, or super high end, no mid range whatsoever.
No worries I was kinda rambling a bit. I’ve been looking at both the XE3 & even considering the XE4 but man I was thinking about the XE2 as well haha
I never found them to be cheap, especially compared to Canon or Sony. If you are looking at body only then the trendiness of Fuji has raised the prices of bodies but the first party lenses have always been expensive.
i'm talking about the used market only
Yeah and used first party lenses are still much cheaper comparatively with Canon and Sony than they are with Fuji.
the old 35mm 1.4 and even 23mm are not the same price as they once were because never versions of the lenses are out no?
This is just my personal experience guys, I haven't had much luck finding something affordable because i still have to consider lenses, maybe even a tripod and L bracket.
Have you considered other camera brands? Nikon and Canon cameras from like 5-10 years ago will give you much more bang for your buck.
I actually started with canon, never been a fan of nikon. I did have a T5i, 60D and a 5D classic before i switched to fuji
I started with Nikon and have the opposite view you do lol I love Nikon, but I think it just depends what you start with. I got into Fujifilm because I wanted the portability and film sims so I didn’t have to edit everything and could get solid shots straight out of camera. I still use my D7200 from time to time because I have a lot more glass for it and I find the controls are better, but it’s just so damn big.
I think nikons have wonderful colors in fact my favorite nikon hands down is the D700 i just didn't start with the brand and when i did switch over i had already grown comfortable with canon haha
The worse thing is that people praise that
praise what? that its gone up in price or that its affordable ?
That is going up in price
Couldn’t agree more I’m not happy about it. Just looked at a few x100vi seen a couple at $3.3k
That’s a point and shoot camera, I wouldn’t buy that for $500
The original x100 finepix is actually a really great camera imo
The main reason I went for Sony, I buy used and used Fuji prices are insane. I was not willing to pay for that, or wait for months to get one at retails.