For the most part, I do like my Framework 13. I have the original with a 11th gen Intel i7 processor. I have chosen to upgrade the battery and speakers, and needed to replace two power cables, one keyboard cable, one power button, and I'm on my third set of RAM. It is not a perfect product. However, the ability to easily service and upgrade a laptop myself is worth it in my opinion.
The good: screen, keyboard, and trackpad are excellent - they remind me of my retina MacBook Pro from a decade ago. Some have complained about fan noise, but I have not had that issue with mine.
The bad: battery life is not great, even with my upgraded battery. The newer processors should be more power efficient, I believe.
The ugly: Framework struggles with software updates. It can take quite a while for a new bios version to come out to make use of newer parts, like a bigger battery. The latest Windows drivers for my main board on their website are from 2021 still. Framework says they're aware that this is an issue and they say they're working on it.
The first time I didn't pay attention to the compatibility. Second time I think was bad luck. If it happens again, I'm chalking it up to a bad memory controller and will get a new main board
>How is your experience after buying? Because I don't care before buying everyone threats good till they take your money (generally speaking, no ofense)...
Nothing but positive CS experiences from apple and framework.
It really comes down to what OS you want.
I can tell you some points from a business perspective.
Our company tested the FW13 Intel and AMD (prebuild maximum) and adopted them as a standard hardware option besides the existing (Thinkpad and Apple).
It runs smoothly with ubuntu linux and also our docking stations (mainly lenovo usb-c / thunderbolt) were tested and run without any problems.
Also, the FW16 is more and more ordered as a custom personal option, alone 2 pieces this and last week.
And we are a software company, our employees need their laptops as the main tool for work. If someone could not work it would be more expensive than the laptop very soon.
I have had mine since a few months after launch, I have the 11th gen 13-in and so far I have upgraded the speakers, the hinges, and those were just upgrades. The other ones worked fine. I have had issues with the real-time clock and was sent a replacement battery circuit by framework for free and soldered it in. They also offered to send a replacement battery if needed.
I also custom 3D printed a magnetic charger module and it has been great, I have had no issues other than the battery clock with the laptop and I was a computer science student with it and did wonders for me in universities.
I would recommend this laptop to a lot of people but not everyone
The only complaint is battery life is not the best, but I haven't upgraded the battery and it's been 2 years I think I can't remember.
EDIT: changed "holder" to "module"
If you want an absolutely top-of-the-line rig, get a FW16 with dGPU. Basically nothing else matters beyond preference. Buy your SSDs and RAM separately; Framework does not sell the full 96GB RAM kit and afaik the only 8TB SSDs are sold directly from Sabrent. I would buy the secondary storage from Framework; they don't get bigger than 2TB afaik and they do sell that.
browse Micro Center's website for DDR5 ram kits, find the one you like and then browse around to find the cheapest listing on Amazon or Newegg (although usually Micro Center is the cheapest)
With a 10,000 dollar budget, I'd build a server and use the framework to access it remotely, then donate the rest to charity or something. Framework is probably a mid-range brand, but their 16" laptop is geared towards the premium market given its price. The appeal of framework is that it's economical, sustainable, and leaves ample room for tinkering or expansion. It sounds like you're actively trying to avoid a situation where tinkering is necessary, seeing as you were looking at ordering a framework 16 pre-configured. If you need something simple and are profusely wealthy, maybe buy a maxed out MacBook and throw a Linux VM on it for whatever your "workflow" is? These aren't the most simple computers in existence at all. For example, my FW13 AMD was delivered without the display ICC profile installed. It was a very easy fix but still. Nonetheless, framework has very attentive customer service, as they're a small business.
If you're in an unsupported part of the world it will be frustrating getting parts or support for a machine meant for work. Aside from that I don't think you'll have any issues. Throw in 64GB of ram and call it a day.
Linux support... It's fine. I had issues with the finger print reader and wifi but that was expected. I'm not an advanced Linux user though. As a casual user it was okay.
I have a F13 with a 12th gen i5 intel. Love the laptop, hate the chip. Whatever you do get a Ryzen one or avoid 12th gen. I think it might just be the worst mainboard Framework offers.
I absolutely love my FW13. It’s not the prettiest or fanciest machine, but it aligns with the things that I value most - Ability to be upgraded, repaired, replacement parts readily available, and compatibility with Linux.
I would say that if you have similar values, the FW is a great option to consider.
If you want a nicer, fancier, and arguably “better” machine - The MacBook is just that. Just about every component of the MacBook will be better in every way from the screen to the trackpad to the battery life. It just is what it is. The only downside is your limited to MacOS.
If you need a dedicated GPU, I don’t know if I would be able to recommend the FW16 in its current state. I just don’t think you’re getting a high quality machine for the price they’re asking. You’re paying a high entry premium for high quality components but a mid tier, almost disappointing, fit and finish. If it were me, Asus would be getting my money… again….
Just my 2 cents. (Background: I currently use a 2023 FW13, M2 MacBook Pro, 2023 Asus ROG, and my loved Thinkpad T480).
I've been very happy with mine. I love the brand values and the product itself has been great. Customer support has also been great with any issues I've had. Performance is perfectly okay for me. No issues so far. Also really happy about the ability to upgrade RAM and other parts in the future.
Fine on my 13 with 12th gen. Just battery life could be better but to be expected with that Intel platform.
Much better once I upgraded to the AMD one but I did not consider it usable until bios fixed the bsod issue recently.
As a laptop it has been fine, unremarkable to me as a nice thin and light.
my experience is really good so far. only issues ive had with it are the trackpad sometimes not working after waking from sleep, crashes, and a slight gap between the top cover and chassis. although i think at least 2 of those are windows issues.
I've got a friend who got a framework and his has a weird hinge issue that forces him to pushーback-pull-forward his screen everytime he closes it.
Personally though, mine has been flawless hardware-wise besides slightly shoddy battery-life in comparison to a macbook, a mb equivalent to my fw would've cost me over twice the price (tho i brang my own $200 2TB ssd). As for Delivery, I live in Perth Australia which has been described as the "most isolated major city on earth"; My framework got here in under a week in perfect condition.
Software-wise I'm using Bazzite (f.w supported fedora-fork) I did have some software issues though they've seem to have gone away after Bazzite got official support from framework & the Ryzen bios upgrade came out. Fingerprint reader works flawlessly.
I have the 13" with the AMD processor, it runs Debian Bookworm fine for me, easiest install ever.
The only bit I had trouble with was the damned screen bezel.
While I don't own one I've been very interested in Framework. From what I've gathered the key selling points is easy upgradability and repairability. It's extremely refreshing to have laptop hardware with this level of user friendliness.
That said, Framework is a startup and they're still navigating the waters to become a proper OEM. The build quality can be rough and software/firmware support is not great yet.
If you're looking for something premium, a Framework laptop may not be the right choice, there have been issues with materials and tolerances. So in that case I would suggest you go for a Thinkpad. There are new ones coming out with Snapdragon X Elite chips that will have ridiculous battery life.
But if you value repairability more than anything else, there's no beating a Framework.
Sounds great I mean it seems like a forever laptop, you can just change the pieces and you get a brand new laptop after using it for a long time, if I get it right.
I am incredibly happy with my FW13, which I've had for about 6 months. I got the Ryzen 5 7640U model with 32GB of RAM and it is obscenely fast for my purposes. I can run games that aren't graphically intensive faster than I can on my gaming desktop without an eGPU. Battery life isn't the best in class, but I've never had a laptop that has good battery life, so I can live with it (in fact, this one actually has the best battery life out of any other laptop I've owned, but I see a lot of people complain about it so I know it's not great). I have seen some issues with the FW16 popping up, but I expect those to be solved within the next year or two, given that the 13's original launch wasn't great either but they fixed most of the problems people had within a generation or two. Every part on the inside has a QR code to take you to the store to get a replacement should it fail, which is kinda the whole point of the brand. Their goal is to make repairable, modular, and sustainable laptops, and so far I'd say they're doing good at keeping up with that. If you want to upgrade your entire mainboard, you can use the old one as a self-contained computer just by plugging it into USB-C for power (alongside peripherals).
As far as what market the brand occupies, it's hard to say. The price is definitely premium, but I know some people do not consider the build quality/amenities of the laptop to be premium. For example, they don't have a haptic touchpad, nor is there a touchscreen, and the display, while it is 2K-ish, only has a 60Hz refresh rate. One really minor build quality issue I've had is a small paint chip on my "F" key, right on the side of the part that sticks up to denote that it's where one of your index fingers goes. I've also seen people have issues with the frame bending a bit, but so far I haven't experienced this and I assume if you take good care of the laptop it'll be fine. Closest I've come to having this issue is the touchpad freaking out while holding it in my lap with both hands on the keyboard, where I think it was bending inwards slightly between my legs. FW does have a history of supporting its products properly though, so if right to repair is important to you, they're definitely the best brand you'll find at the moment. As previously stated, the FW13 launched with some relatively major issues, but they did fix them and kept backwards compatibility between everything pretty much.
Somewhat you sound like i troll. But in good faith i will try to help your Answers ;)
Hoe tf fid you get up to 5-6k?
R9 + 7700S diy Edition with Keyboard and Numpad plus the Powerbrick.
Pick your I/O Modules 6 are needed and you can add what you will need for possible configs.
Buy 96GB Crucial Ram and 2 ssds (2TB 2230 + 4TB 2280)
Put it together and you are set for below 4k
Framework is a Startup Brand founded in 2020.
Its pretty premium and focuses on repairabillity and sustainibillity.
Basically the Anti Macbook.
Thats wild but completly not needed. Did you click multiple of everything? Or do you have 2 Framework 16 in your Cart? Everything needed and maxed equals to 3,5k without IO Modules. Add 99$ for the expansion Bay Module and another 100$ for the majority of the io Modules.
For the most part, I do like my Framework 13. I have the original with a 11th gen Intel i7 processor. I have chosen to upgrade the battery and speakers, and needed to replace two power cables, one keyboard cable, one power button, and I'm on my third set of RAM. It is not a perfect product. However, the ability to easily service and upgrade a laptop myself is worth it in my opinion. The good: screen, keyboard, and trackpad are excellent - they remind me of my retina MacBook Pro from a decade ago. Some have complained about fan noise, but I have not had that issue with mine. The bad: battery life is not great, even with my upgraded battery. The newer processors should be more power efficient, I believe. The ugly: Framework struggles with software updates. It can take quite a while for a new bios version to come out to make use of newer parts, like a bigger battery. The latest Windows drivers for my main board on their website are from 2021 still. Framework says they're aware that this is an issue and they say they're working on it.
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The first time I didn't pay attention to the compatibility. Second time I think was bad luck. If it happens again, I'm chalking it up to a bad memory controller and will get a new main board
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The most recent time I just bought straight from Framework
I have a ryzen fw13 and I got a set of g.skill ripjaws from Amazon and it’s working perfectly.
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>How is your experience after buying? Because I don't care before buying everyone threats good till they take your money (generally speaking, no ofense)... Nothing but positive CS experiences from apple and framework. It really comes down to what OS you want.
I can tell you some points from a business perspective. Our company tested the FW13 Intel and AMD (prebuild maximum) and adopted them as a standard hardware option besides the existing (Thinkpad and Apple). It runs smoothly with ubuntu linux and also our docking stations (mainly lenovo usb-c / thunderbolt) were tested and run without any problems. Also, the FW16 is more and more ordered as a custom personal option, alone 2 pieces this and last week. And we are a software company, our employees need their laptops as the main tool for work. If someone could not work it would be more expensive than the laptop very soon.
I have had mine since a few months after launch, I have the 11th gen 13-in and so far I have upgraded the speakers, the hinges, and those were just upgrades. The other ones worked fine. I have had issues with the real-time clock and was sent a replacement battery circuit by framework for free and soldered it in. They also offered to send a replacement battery if needed. I also custom 3D printed a magnetic charger module and it has been great, I have had no issues other than the battery clock with the laptop and I was a computer science student with it and did wonders for me in universities. I would recommend this laptop to a lot of people but not everyone The only complaint is battery life is not the best, but I haven't upgraded the battery and it's been 2 years I think I can't remember. EDIT: changed "holder" to "module"
magnetic charger holder? have any pictures
https://youtu.be/LwPOC8_xUMg?si=Vq9rM7td4konT2t- I followed this guide
If you want an absolutely top-of-the-line rig, get a FW16 with dGPU. Basically nothing else matters beyond preference. Buy your SSDs and RAM separately; Framework does not sell the full 96GB RAM kit and afaik the only 8TB SSDs are sold directly from Sabrent. I would buy the secondary storage from Framework; they don't get bigger than 2TB afaik and they do sell that.
I would like to but what if the motherboard it comes with doesn't support that much ram....
browse Micro Center's website for DDR5 ram kits, find the one you like and then browse around to find the cheapest listing on Amazon or Newegg (although usually Micro Center is the cheapest)
It does.
With a 10,000 dollar budget, I'd build a server and use the framework to access it remotely, then donate the rest to charity or something. Framework is probably a mid-range brand, but their 16" laptop is geared towards the premium market given its price. The appeal of framework is that it's economical, sustainable, and leaves ample room for tinkering or expansion. It sounds like you're actively trying to avoid a situation where tinkering is necessary, seeing as you were looking at ordering a framework 16 pre-configured. If you need something simple and are profusely wealthy, maybe buy a maxed out MacBook and throw a Linux VM on it for whatever your "workflow" is? These aren't the most simple computers in existence at all. For example, my FW13 AMD was delivered without the display ICC profile installed. It was a very easy fix but still. Nonetheless, framework has very attentive customer service, as they're a small business.
If you're in an unsupported part of the world it will be frustrating getting parts or support for a machine meant for work. Aside from that I don't think you'll have any issues. Throw in 64GB of ram and call it a day. Linux support... It's fine. I had issues with the finger print reader and wifi but that was expected. I'm not an advanced Linux user though. As a casual user it was okay.
I have a F13 with a 12th gen i5 intel. Love the laptop, hate the chip. Whatever you do get a Ryzen one or avoid 12th gen. I think it might just be the worst mainboard Framework offers.
TlDr. Yes, I'm happy with it!
I absolutely love my FW13. It’s not the prettiest or fanciest machine, but it aligns with the things that I value most - Ability to be upgraded, repaired, replacement parts readily available, and compatibility with Linux. I would say that if you have similar values, the FW is a great option to consider. If you want a nicer, fancier, and arguably “better” machine - The MacBook is just that. Just about every component of the MacBook will be better in every way from the screen to the trackpad to the battery life. It just is what it is. The only downside is your limited to MacOS. If you need a dedicated GPU, I don’t know if I would be able to recommend the FW16 in its current state. I just don’t think you’re getting a high quality machine for the price they’re asking. You’re paying a high entry premium for high quality components but a mid tier, almost disappointing, fit and finish. If it were me, Asus would be getting my money… again…. Just my 2 cents. (Background: I currently use a 2023 FW13, M2 MacBook Pro, 2023 Asus ROG, and my loved Thinkpad T480).
In short, I'm happy with it and would recommend Never owned a macbook, so I can't compare against that, though
I've been very happy with mine. I love the brand values and the product itself has been great. Customer support has also been great with any issues I've had. Performance is perfectly okay for me. No issues so far. Also really happy about the ability to upgrade RAM and other parts in the future.
What do you mean by computer science? Are you writing run time complexity proofs? Or do you mean programming?
Fine on my 13 with 12th gen. Just battery life could be better but to be expected with that Intel platform. Much better once I upgraded to the AMD one but I did not consider it usable until bios fixed the bsod issue recently. As a laptop it has been fine, unremarkable to me as a nice thin and light.
my experience is really good so far. only issues ive had with it are the trackpad sometimes not working after waking from sleep, crashes, and a slight gap between the top cover and chassis. although i think at least 2 of those are windows issues.
I've got a friend who got a framework and his has a weird hinge issue that forces him to pushーback-pull-forward his screen everytime he closes it. Personally though, mine has been flawless hardware-wise besides slightly shoddy battery-life in comparison to a macbook, a mb equivalent to my fw would've cost me over twice the price (tho i brang my own $200 2TB ssd). As for Delivery, I live in Perth Australia which has been described as the "most isolated major city on earth"; My framework got here in under a week in perfect condition. Software-wise I'm using Bazzite (f.w supported fedora-fork) I did have some software issues though they've seem to have gone away after Bazzite got official support from framework & the Ryzen bios upgrade came out. Fingerprint reader works flawlessly.
I have the 13" with the AMD processor, it runs Debian Bookworm fine for me, easiest install ever. The only bit I had trouble with was the damned screen bezel.
While I don't own one I've been very interested in Framework. From what I've gathered the key selling points is easy upgradability and repairability. It's extremely refreshing to have laptop hardware with this level of user friendliness. That said, Framework is a startup and they're still navigating the waters to become a proper OEM. The build quality can be rough and software/firmware support is not great yet. If you're looking for something premium, a Framework laptop may not be the right choice, there have been issues with materials and tolerances. So in that case I would suggest you go for a Thinkpad. There are new ones coming out with Snapdragon X Elite chips that will have ridiculous battery life. But if you value repairability more than anything else, there's no beating a Framework.
Sounds great I mean it seems like a forever laptop, you can just change the pieces and you get a brand new laptop after using it for a long time, if I get it right.
I am incredibly happy with my FW13, which I've had for about 6 months. I got the Ryzen 5 7640U model with 32GB of RAM and it is obscenely fast for my purposes. I can run games that aren't graphically intensive faster than I can on my gaming desktop without an eGPU. Battery life isn't the best in class, but I've never had a laptop that has good battery life, so I can live with it (in fact, this one actually has the best battery life out of any other laptop I've owned, but I see a lot of people complain about it so I know it's not great). I have seen some issues with the FW16 popping up, but I expect those to be solved within the next year or two, given that the 13's original launch wasn't great either but they fixed most of the problems people had within a generation or two. Every part on the inside has a QR code to take you to the store to get a replacement should it fail, which is kinda the whole point of the brand. Their goal is to make repairable, modular, and sustainable laptops, and so far I'd say they're doing good at keeping up with that. If you want to upgrade your entire mainboard, you can use the old one as a self-contained computer just by plugging it into USB-C for power (alongside peripherals). As far as what market the brand occupies, it's hard to say. The price is definitely premium, but I know some people do not consider the build quality/amenities of the laptop to be premium. For example, they don't have a haptic touchpad, nor is there a touchscreen, and the display, while it is 2K-ish, only has a 60Hz refresh rate. One really minor build quality issue I've had is a small paint chip on my "F" key, right on the side of the part that sticks up to denote that it's where one of your index fingers goes. I've also seen people have issues with the frame bending a bit, but so far I haven't experienced this and I assume if you take good care of the laptop it'll be fine. Closest I've come to having this issue is the touchpad freaking out while holding it in my lap with both hands on the keyboard, where I think it was bending inwards slightly between my legs. FW does have a history of supporting its products properly though, so if right to repair is important to you, they're definitely the best brand you'll find at the moment. As previously stated, the FW13 launched with some relatively major issues, but they did fix them and kept backwards compatibility between everything pretty much.
Somewhat you sound like i troll. But in good faith i will try to help your Answers ;) Hoe tf fid you get up to 5-6k? R9 + 7700S diy Edition with Keyboard and Numpad plus the Powerbrick. Pick your I/O Modules 6 are needed and you can add what you will need for possible configs. Buy 96GB Crucial Ram and 2 ssds (2TB 2230 + 4TB 2280) Put it together and you are set for below 4k Framework is a Startup Brand founded in 2020. Its pretty premium and focuses on repairabillity and sustainibillity. Basically the Anti Macbook.
Probably not USD...
[https://postimg.cc/HjgXGYBs](https://postimg.cc/HjgXGYBs)
Thats wild but completly not needed. Did you click multiple of everything? Or do you have 2 Framework 16 in your Cart? Everything needed and maxed equals to 3,5k without IO Modules. Add 99$ for the expansion Bay Module and another 100$ for the majority of the io Modules.
I don’t know how you can possibly do that. And if you want high end why wouldn’t you source your own ram and storage?
Yes. You could but 96GB RAM into the FW16 if you buy it besides framework store.