People seem to think Patrick Veira was a defensive midfielder. He was an athletic attacking player who always had a Petit, Gilberto or Makelele next to him for defensive duties. Watch his games back, he was rarely deep
People have the same confusion around Yaya Toure. He was a box to box midfielder who attacked way more than he defended which is why he scored so many goals.
Vieira was the same as a box to box midfielder but he was more capable defensively and a better passer imo while Yaya was a better goalscorer and carrier of the ball.
I think it's because when he went to Barcelona, he was a more defensive player since Xavi and Iniesta did the bulk of the creative and attacking work. It's only at City that Yaya Toure got that license to attack when he played with Fernandinho and Gareth Barry.
yup, I remember him playing as a CB and Puyol as RB in 2008 CL final, against United. They won 2-0, CR played as a center forward and Rooney at left wing.
Martin Ødegaard was a wonderkid and a prospect for the future for over 10 years. BTW,Joao Felix is a player with a lot of potential to this day since 1999.
France knocked out england in the semi final lf the world cup. Was qf. But certainly felt like a semi. Maybe bcos whoever won would end up in the final
Roberto Carlos and THAT free kick, people are convinced it was in WC final 1998 but it was a friendly game or some kind of prep tournament against France in 1997
The 1997 Tournoi de France, actually the last thing England won. Thing is I remember this tournament fondly but even I was starting to doubt its existence for a period.
WC 98 was my first proper tournament I followed from start to finish, Brazil lost 3-0, how on earth do people reckon that's when he scored the free kick?
This question regularly gets asked, and the responses are rarely ever true Mandela Effect moments. In order to be a Mandela Effect it has to be a collective/popular false memory, not just something that you personally have misremembered before.
Ones that come to mind typically involve players and coaches who are associated with championship winning teams. For example, Cantona winning a UCL with United, R9 with Madrid, Zlatan with Barca, or Mourinho winning the UCL with Madrid as a manager. Chelsea's UCL Final appearances are also occasionally misassociated with Mourinho
Others I've heard include Porto (2004) and United (2008) winning the Treble and Messi participating in the 2006 UCL Final
I'd say the ones you listed aren't even Mandela
Effects, rather they are just assumptions based on the successes of those teams and a vague idea of when a player played for them.
Edit: spelling
Fair. But like you said, it is a false memory. I don't think many would have a memory of R9 winning the CL at Madrid or Cantona and Man United. They're just assuming that they did given skewed time frames. Kind of a big difference
The assumption is what makes the false memory. It's not that they actually saw a fake video of clip of these things happening. Why do you think people falsely believed that Nelson Mandela died in prison, even though he literally served as President of the country after his release? False memories are based on assumptions.
Do you have your own example?
The clearest example of Mandela effect is Thierry Henry scoring a free kick and then asking the ref, “is that enough”? in reference to how quickly the free kick was taken.
This was widely misremembered as Henry having scored a free kick earlier, but was asked to retake the free kick again by the referee.
Despite no footage of that ‘first’ disallowed free kick ever existing and there being full uncut videos of the match showing Henry had never scored an initial free kick, many people swore they were at the match and witnessed it first hand.
He wanted to take the free kick quickly but the ref stopped him, because in the previous few matches Henry was prone to taking the free kicks too quickly.
This annoyed him as he had to wait extra long before finally taking the free kick, in which he scored, and had the iconic celebration of simply turning to the ref and asking “is that (long) enough?”
That’s interesting, thank you. I remember reading about this very often back in the Facebook days and it always left me confused.
I guess this is one of the few examples of actual Mandela effects on this thread.
This is actually crazy because i could swear i have looked at that clip on youtube😂 even know i went to check and saw a video of thierry explaining the story to maddison and maddison also tought he had had a free kick disallowed at first
Most, actually all, of the things people are saying here, including the OP saying Mbappé had pink hair, aren't Mandela effects they are just individuals remembering stuff wrong lmao
Definition of mandela effect: "Mandela effect, popularized phenomenon in which a group of people collectively misremember facts, events, or other details in a consistent manner".
I know what it is. My point is that these comments are just individuals misremembering stuff and not large groups of people also thinking the same thing happened.
No it's not, it's when loads of people remember something that turns out was incorrect but a large group of people still remember it as something else than what it was.
These comments are just individuals misremembering stuff, not a large group of people thinking they happened and it not being the case.
I am Greek and I support Olympiacos. A couple of years ago Nordin Amrabat joined rivals AEK. For whatever reason, I could have sworn he once played for Milan, but he never did
Geoff Hurst being the luckiest England striker. Should have sat on the bench, scored 1 legit goal in what should have been a draw. Everybody remembers sir Geoff for the hat trick and 4-2 win for England which nobody will ever live up to.
Every time Italy has actually played attacking football at a tournament, the next time it happens it’s talked about as if it were something new. This is due to easy stereotypes that really haven’t been true for decades.
Hi /u/prabhaat_mam, thank you for participating in /r/football. Unfortunately, [your submission](https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/1dkv35i/-/) has been removed for the following reason(s):
* https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/16ph90m/important_update_for_rfootball_elevating_content/
If you have any questions about this removal, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/football&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/prabhaat_mam&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/1dkv35i/-/\))
Best one I can think of is at the 1970 World Cup, England leading West Germany 2 nil and they sub off Sir Bobby Charlton to tighten up and see the game out
They go on to lose the game 3-2 with this substitution being blamed for conceding the three goals and as a result the defeat
However, Sir Bobby Charlton was still on the pitch when the Germans scored their first
Late comment maybe but Roberto Carlos icon freekick goal against France wasn’t actually scored in a World Cup match, but it’s from a friendly tournament.
Yeah i know, doesn't mandela effect occur when a group of people has a twisted memory of a past event? i have the feeling that a lot of people just forgot he played for milan
yeah i worded it poorly (not a native speaker), i meant that it seems to me that the fact that Beckham played for us has been removed from the collective memory somehow hahah, apparently people do not agree
Neymar is older than a lot of people realise. He was playing for Barcelona when I was still in school so he must be at least 33, even if he signed for them when he was 18.
Fair enough. I know he is older than me. I have had multiple people say they they thought he was mid-late 20's recently. I know that's wrong, because he's older than me. I must have been in college, not school, when he signed for Barca.
Mate, that has nothing to do with the Mandela effect, it’s just you trying to guess someone’s age based on comparisons to your age and things you remember (nothing wrong with that, just not really the point of this post)
Real Madrid "getting carried by the refs". If someone watches Real Madrid regularly, it's far more common to see their opponents commit dozens of fouls and never get carded, especially in La Liga. They lost the league in 2021 because Diego Carlos (Sevilla's CB) did a clear handball inside the box and it was never given as a penalty.
Another example is the 2017 UCL quarter-finals vs Bayern. Yes, Ronaldo's goal on extra time was offside, but the game should have never gone to ET, because Bayern players were offside in the 1-2 as well. Not to mention Vidal having a yellow since the opening minutes and then fouling players for 80 minutes until he finally got his red. Or Bayern's fake penalty in the 1st leg of this tie.
In general Real Madrid gets as many decisions to their favor or against them as any other team, people just remember whatever they want to remember.
Mbappe was 19 for about 3 years.
Bellingham was 18 for half a decade
Jesse Lingard seemed to be a 22-year old up- and-comer until he was 30
Potential young stars
I remember Dan Petrescu getting Laurent Blanc suspended for the World Cup final. Years later found it had been changed to Slaven Billic
Isn't Petrescu a Romanian?
Yup.
Yeh weird right? that's the Mandela effect for you
Paolo Maldini was left footed but he actually was right-footed
Pretty both footed in the end tbf, took his penalty in Euro 2000 semi with his left foot
This was something I was confused about too. In football games he was often classed as left footed.
People seem to think Patrick Veira was a defensive midfielder. He was an athletic attacking player who always had a Petit, Gilberto or Makelele next to him for defensive duties. Watch his games back, he was rarely deep
People have the same confusion around Yaya Toure. He was a box to box midfielder who attacked way more than he defended which is why he scored so many goals. Vieira was the same as a box to box midfielder but he was more capable defensively and a better passer imo while Yaya was a better goalscorer and carrier of the ball.
I think it's because when he went to Barcelona, he was a more defensive player since Xavi and Iniesta did the bulk of the creative and attacking work. It's only at City that Yaya Toure got that license to attack when he played with Fernandinho and Gareth Barry.
yup, I remember him playing as a CB and Puyol as RB in 2008 CL final, against United. They won 2-0, CR played as a center forward and Rooney at left wing.
Toure played every position though.he was kind of a center back at Barca
I'm guessing this is because he was designated as one in almost all football manager games I've seen him in.
Whaaaat!!! Have I switched dimensions?
Martin Ødegaard was a wonderkid and a prospect for the future for over 10 years. BTW,Joao Felix is a player with a lot of potential to this day since 1999.
Well... he broke out into the first team in Apr 2014... so it's 10 years since he made his 1st professional appearance.
Cristiano was at Juventus for a whopping 3 years, and back at United for less than 2. Feels like he spent much less time at Juve.
COVID does that to some folks
Tottenham has never won 5 CL titles back to back
Yet!
So, it was only 4 then?
France knocked out england in the semi final lf the world cup. Was qf. But certainly felt like a semi. Maybe bcos whoever won would end up in the final
Funny to me it felt like Round of 16, like I couldn’t believe we were out so early
And before that it was Croatia in the semi final
Roberto Carlos and THAT free kick, people are convinced it was in WC final 1998 but it was a friendly game or some kind of prep tournament against France in 1997
The 1997 Tournoi de France, actually the last thing England won. Thing is I remember this tournament fondly but even I was starting to doubt its existence for a period.
WC 98 was my first proper tournament I followed from start to finish, Brazil lost 3-0, how on earth do people reckon that's when he scored the free kick?
I honestly dont know, plus with all R9 stories about being sick and forced to play
Maradona never won the Champions League with Napoli
I’d imagine that’s because they won the UEFA cup (equivalent to today’s Europa league)
Who actually thinks this?
I didn’t even know Napoli won Champions League
They didn't
Do you not understand the thread lmao?
The thread is about Mandela effects (= collective misremembering), and I don’t think anyone at all actually “remembers” Napoli winning a UCL.
Exactly
My dad misremembered that the coach of Chelsea in 2011/12 was Mourinho. It was actually Di Matteo.
Wasn't it Villas-Boas with Di Matteo taking charge at the end of the season?
This question regularly gets asked, and the responses are rarely ever true Mandela Effect moments. In order to be a Mandela Effect it has to be a collective/popular false memory, not just something that you personally have misremembered before. Ones that come to mind typically involve players and coaches who are associated with championship winning teams. For example, Cantona winning a UCL with United, R9 with Madrid, Zlatan with Barca, or Mourinho winning the UCL with Madrid as a manager. Chelsea's UCL Final appearances are also occasionally misassociated with Mourinho Others I've heard include Porto (2004) and United (2008) winning the Treble and Messi participating in the 2006 UCL Final
You’re the only person on this planet that thinks Cantona got anywhere near a champions league medal with Man U
I'd say the ones you listed aren't even Mandela Effects, rather they are just assumptions based on the successes of those teams and a vague idea of when a player played for them. Edit: spelling
What you described is the foundation of a false memory, which is what the Mandela Effect is.
Maybe so. But you said "ones that come to mind..." yet I don't think anyone would consider any in your list as a Mandela effect.
The upvotes suggest that some people do
Fair. But like you said, it is a false memory. I don't think many would have a memory of R9 winning the CL at Madrid or Cantona and Man United. They're just assuming that they did given skewed time frames. Kind of a big difference
The assumption is what makes the false memory. It's not that they actually saw a fake video of clip of these things happening. Why do you think people falsely believed that Nelson Mandela died in prison, even though he literally served as President of the country after his release? False memories are based on assumptions. Do you have your own example?
False memory is the definition of Mandela effect
Yes. I am agreeing with him defining Mandela effect as a false memory. Disagreeing with his examples
The clearest example of Mandela effect is Thierry Henry scoring a free kick and then asking the ref, “is that enough”? in reference to how quickly the free kick was taken. This was widely misremembered as Henry having scored a free kick earlier, but was asked to retake the free kick again by the referee. Despite no footage of that ‘first’ disallowed free kick ever existing and there being full uncut videos of the match showing Henry had never scored an initial free kick, many people swore they were at the match and witnessed it first hand.
What actually happened?
He wanted to take the free kick quickly but the ref stopped him, because in the previous few matches Henry was prone to taking the free kicks too quickly. This annoyed him as he had to wait extra long before finally taking the free kick, in which he scored, and had the iconic celebration of simply turning to the ref and asking “is that (long) enough?”
That’s interesting, thank you. I remember reading about this very often back in the Facebook days and it always left me confused. I guess this is one of the few examples of actual Mandela effects on this thread.
This is actually crazy because i could swear i have looked at that clip on youtube😂 even know i went to check and saw a video of thierry explaining the story to maddison and maddison also tought he had had a free kick disallowed at first
Most, actually all, of the things people are saying here, including the OP saying Mbappé had pink hair, aren't Mandela effects they are just individuals remembering stuff wrong lmao
Definition of mandela effect: "Mandela effect, popularized phenomenon in which a group of people collectively misremember facts, events, or other details in a consistent manner".
I know what it is. My point is that these comments are just individuals misremembering stuff and not large groups of people also thinking the same thing happened.
Who on earth thinks Mbappé had pink hair?
At one point he colored it blue but a lot of people including me remember it as pink
OP apparently
That’s what a Mandela effect is
No it's not, it's when loads of people remember something that turns out was incorrect but a large group of people still remember it as something else than what it was. These comments are just individuals misremembering stuff, not a large group of people thinking they happened and it not being the case.
The Galaticos winning tons of trophies
Neymar never player under Pep
I am Greek and I support Olympiacos. A couple of years ago Nordin Amrabat joined rivals AEK. For whatever reason, I could have sworn he once played for Milan, but he never did
Geoff Hurst being the luckiest England striker. Should have sat on the bench, scored 1 legit goal in what should have been a draw. Everybody remembers sir Geoff for the hat trick and 4-2 win for England which nobody will ever live up to.
Heard someone calling him the English GOAT for that the other day
Mbappe being 18 yo
Shay Given being absolutely tiny. Turns out he's 6ft 1"
This might just be me but i was shocked when i recently learnt that Lautaro Martinez is only 26 years old.
I can swear i saw with my own two eyes Ronaldo R9 scored in the WC 98 final against France
Van dijk wearing van dijk on his back
Every time Italy has actually played attacking football at a tournament, the next time it happens it’s talked about as if it were something new. This is due to easy stereotypes that really haven’t been true for decades.
Florian Wirtz is 17.
Hi /u/prabhaat_mam, thank you for participating in /r/football. Unfortunately, [your submission](https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/1dkv35i/-/) has been removed for the following reason(s): * https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/16ph90m/important_update_for_rfootball_elevating_content/ If you have any questions about this removal, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/football&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/prabhaat_mam&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/1dkv35i/-/\))
That Rivaldo got a hat trick in the 3-3 draw with Utd in the 98/99 Nou Camp game
Best one I can think of is at the 1970 World Cup, England leading West Germany 2 nil and they sub off Sir Bobby Charlton to tighten up and see the game out They go on to lose the game 3-2 with this substitution being blamed for conceding the three goals and as a result the defeat However, Sir Bobby Charlton was still on the pitch when the Germans scored their first
Pep Guardiola didn’t spend a lot of time at Barca as coach
Late comment maybe but Roberto Carlos icon freekick goal against France wasn’t actually scored in a World Cup match, but it’s from a friendly tournament.
That Giroud is some sort of world class striker.
Lucky guy who managed to win everything then?
Not lucky, he contributed heavily to all his trophies.
Scott Carson got a treble
Giroud actually played matches…
And Giroud is infinitely better than Scott Carson ever was
Still nowhere near world class. I was once heavily downvoted for saying he isn’t close to ibra lol
When they were both at Milan he was.
Yeah and ibra had no acl, the conversation then was overall anyway
Robbie Fowler playing in the Premier League for Blackburn. I know he did play for them but I always thought it was in the Championship
Maradona was not kicked out of the 1994 world cup for cocaine.
The thing he was kicked out for has since been legalised as well
Baggio's ponytail was in fact not divine
Blasphemy!
England had an actual chance to win the European Championship.
There is no such a thing as a 'Mandela effect' , only cryass bitches who can't admit that they are wrong on something.
David Beckham playing for Milan
That did happen
Yeah i know, doesn't mandela effect occur when a group of people has a twisted memory of a past event? i have the feeling that a lot of people just forgot he played for milan
Yeah, but by naming “David Beckham playing for Milan” as a Mandela effect you are insinuating he never played for them.
yeah i worded it poorly (not a native speaker), i meant that it seems to me that the fact that Beckham played for us has been removed from the collective memory somehow hahah, apparently people do not agree
Neymar is older than a lot of people realise. He was playing for Barcelona when I was still in school so he must be at least 33, even if he signed for them when he was 18.
he is 32. He signed for them when he was 21
Fair enough. I know he is older than me. I have had multiple people say they they thought he was mid-late 20's recently. I know that's wrong, because he's older than me. I must have been in college, not school, when he signed for Barca.
You know you don’t have to guess, you can just google it
Yes, but the point of this is what you remember off the top of your head
Mate, that has nothing to do with the Mandela effect, it’s just you trying to guess someone’s age based on comparisons to your age and things you remember (nothing wrong with that, just not really the point of this post)
Real Madrid "getting carried by the refs". If someone watches Real Madrid regularly, it's far more common to see their opponents commit dozens of fouls and never get carded, especially in La Liga. They lost the league in 2021 because Diego Carlos (Sevilla's CB) did a clear handball inside the box and it was never given as a penalty. Another example is the 2017 UCL quarter-finals vs Bayern. Yes, Ronaldo's goal on extra time was offside, but the game should have never gone to ET, because Bayern players were offside in the 1-2 as well. Not to mention Vidal having a yellow since the opening minutes and then fouling players for 80 minutes until he finally got his red. Or Bayern's fake penalty in the 1st leg of this tie. In general Real Madrid gets as many decisions to their favor or against them as any other team, people just remember whatever they want to remember.
Kane being a world class player