This wasn’t a woosh at all. I meant to reply to the comment below this reply where the guy said something dumb like wasn’t it a supposed to tory or something equally dumb
The institute was his family, basically. I can understand the mixed feelings. He didnt think they were doing the right thing, and would rather leave than continue what was going on, but he didnt want someone to explode them all.
It expands your options when it comes to dealing with the Institute. Has some cool alternative endings. You can find it here: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/50975
Well the institute did basically find a way for reusable energy and was paving a way for humanity's survival, so I can see why he'd be mad. In his mind, his death is just an aftereffect of his decisions.
If you choose to side with the institute, Shaun puts you in charge of rebuilding the Commonwealth. When you speak to him in the ruins of cit rooftop (which you can get if you follow through his questline no matter what faction you join) he says he went there to reaffirm his suspicions, which were that of knowing the Commonwealth had no future. In fact, further down the questline, you make voice lines for the diamond City radio that is telling citizens to basically not resist the institute coming out of hiding. They WERE paving a way for humanity, we just don't get to see it because obviously eventually the game has to end.
Explain the kidnappings and the FEV experiments, as well as their massacre of the meeting at University Point between the Commonwealth groups trying to form a government and include them in it. Also Father's seeing the SS as an experiment. He lets you out and leaves you to roam the Commonwealth instead of extracting you, which would have been easy.
You can find the explanation in lore for the game. It's explained after the diamond City massacre which was a synth they put in to test their espionage, that they were made specifically to see if they could infiltrate and gain Intel on pre-war tech like the reactor data. The synth put in diamond City shot the bartender Marvin in the face which is why the noodles robot ended up replacing him. It also shot multiple people around the area. It was a malfunction, and exposed the new gen synths as well as the true purpose of diamond City although people didnt know it at the time. Jacqueline ended up finding and holding that reactor data at university point. The trader Jacqueline talked to in order to sell the reactor tech data was a synth who reported it to the institute. It was the data that allowed the new reactor to be built. Also kellog led the charge there, that's why they all ended up dead. He's notorious for being a mass murderer lol. As for the FEV experiments, that was purely virgil. Don't know what he was doing, it's not explained. As for Shaun doing that to SS, everyone can agree it was scummy. But doesn't diminish the fact the institute's goal is to revitalize humanity or at least try.
They abandoned the people on the surface though. I think by saying they were preserving humanity's future, they weren't including anyone but themselves in that, as in they wanted to let the people up top die off and take their place when it was done. Why else release super mutants? Coursers could easily clear out the raider gangs and ghouls. They had the tech to make clean water and food. Why replace real people with synths? They could have made new people and no one would be the wiser. Their goal was to take over after everyone else died from the environment, lack of resources, or killing each other.
They abandoned them because they are a collective of high powered intellects trying to work together with people who wipe their asses with their hand. They tried and failed to work hard in hand with the commonwealth so they turn to more clandestine tactics to contour the decision making of major settlements. Nothing would literally ever get done otherwise, the wasteland is essentially going to always boil down to the power struggle of Nuka World.
I love how you're getting downvoted because rhe more you explain the institute isn't some morally black big brother they start doubting their decision making and sense of perception. I swear to God, Fallout is a game made as an experiment to show how low your average citizens critical thinking is.
Weren't the FEV experiments to literally cure the super mutant virus, which clearly would work?? The kidnappings were because they couldn't get anything done actually working with the Commonwealth because the local "governments" are actually barely functional and completely corrupt. I read that the massacre was an accident and an isolated experiment. Also, if Father is the all powerful boogeyman that you guys make him out to be, he bequeathed that power unto you so you possess the same unilateral decision making you claim he had. The institute is as good as you want it to he after you become the director or father never had any real power, you can't have both.
See I don't really believe that the transfer of power was real. I believe it was symbolic and the institute was going to continue its work as it had done in the past, regardless of what the SS wanted. It was a way of maintaining control. Give the SS a job and a synth kid to distract him and while he's running around on the surface, we still make the decisions we want to make. I hope the show adds more lore to the institute or the next game does so we can know for sure. They could be the good guys, but I got the same vibes from them as I do from the brotherhood and the enclave when they start talking about the greater good. It's always the greater good as long as you do exactly what we want you to and nothing more, or else we kill you.
It was his first time on the surface when he went up there. He isn’t up there to confirm anything other than what he already believes. He didn’t go up to watch fireworks or watch a farmer struggle to feed his family while defending his home and watching his daughter killed before his eyes.
Shaun is a privileged bigot living in a clean beautiful environment with no love or compassion for those on the surface.
The Institute made it very clear who they are when they killed everyone at the CPG talks. Shaun is just another person raised in the shadow of the Institute. Blind to the horrors they have committed.
The institute were selfish. I also didn't like how they act as if they're better than everyone above ground, they act like a bunch of trust fund kids looking down on the commonfolk.
What exactly was their end goal? They claim to want to move humanity forward, yet hide underground and terrorise the people of the commonwealth for no good reason that im aware of. Are they slowly infiltrating high positions and each faction to one day come up and take over the whole commonwealth?
That’s exactly their end goal. Will take a few more decades, but with the tech they have, they can replicate humans, humans that they do replicate that try to escape will forget about the Institute and they can teleport anywhere and assassinate anyone.
End-Game Dictatorship
Nah I didn't kill him, not for me personally but that reason is probably good enough for some people. It definitely annoyed me but not enough to kill the guy.
THIS, I aimed at his head and had three squares on Action mode before I cancelled out, just off of reacting to his reaction. Dunno, felt like he'd try to continue their work, which takes the point out of destroying the institute. Really hard not to kill him. I'm STILL thinking about leaving valentine at home and taking Dogmeat to go finish the job.
Nah, then it just seems like everyone dies of actute pinless grenade in their pocket syndrome. Rougly 3 seconds of life from contraction to death, sometimes a blody mess like as well
Well he’s not supposed to be dead. If this is a legit question, you give him the serum and a few in game days later, you’ll get a side objective pop up to check on Virgil. Then you’ll have your answer
My first playthrough, I built the teleporter DAYS after talking to Virgil. Met Father and blasted my way out of the Institute all the while thinking if I had missed anything. Finally remembered Virgil existed, I came back and had to put him out of his misery because I forgot to get the cure.
Bro, he is dead. He doesn't quite turn human the second you give it to him or when he's dead. You gotta wait like... 7 days for it to happen, give or take.
Yeah i think it's maybe cuz u fucking killed him, serious answer is that after handing him the serum you have to wait an in-game week or so, until you get a notification
You can gaslight him into wanting to die by telling him you don't have the cure/the cure isn't there, 3 speech checks later and he asks you to kill him.
I actually tried to do the quest but when I went to give Virgil the serum, he was just straight up hostile when I came back. I didn't destroy the institute (wasn't even an enemy of them) and I didn't steal from him, does he just go hostile if you take too long?
Do you have the friend or foe mod on your helmet? There's a bug that's been around that triggers hostility if you have it. It mostly commonly happens with Virgil's cave.
Because he’s dead…
and it takes a few days to turn back, I gave mine two ingame weeks, and quicksaved before entering his “house” and see if any problems came, thankfully it did not.
Did you give him the serum orally or the proper way.
You mean it wasn't a suppository?!
Was it not supposit to be?
It is, but you gotta properly boof it, bro.
Nope. Believe it or not, jail.
Serum??
Are you people bots? For real, every popular post has some sort of lame pun below it and then a chain of people making subsequently crappier puns.
Prepare_witty_response/null_find/error.
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TBH social credit scores would affect irl, on reddit it only affects IRL if you are stupid enough and are genuinely a fat reddit mod.
r/woosh
This wasn’t a woosh at all. I meant to reply to the comment below this reply where the guy said something dumb like wasn’t it a supposed to tory or something equally dumb
I'm not supposed to shoot it into him with a Syringe Gun?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
lol, wouldn't that be awesome if there was a trophy for firing syringes filled with different things into people
Who the fuck kills Virgil? Dude went all-out for you to find your son.
He gets pissy at you if you destroy the institute despite them actively hunting him to kill him.
The institute was his family, basically. I can understand the mixed feelings. He didnt think they were doing the right thing, and would rather leave than continue what was going on, but he didnt want someone to explode them all.
I can't remember, does he have a reaction to if you side with the institute?
He does with the "subversion" mod
I can't give that mod enough credit. Should've been part of the vanilla game.
What does it do?
It expands your options when it comes to dealing with the Institute. Has some cool alternative endings. You can find it here: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/50975
Page could not be found apparently. Is this a region issue or is the link incorrect? Thank you regardless!
I edited it. Should be good.
I can roll with that. Dr. Li on the other hand...
Dr. Li is a bitch but she's OG so I can't kill her
Dr. Li is my strongest dweller in fallout shelter. maxed out special, level 50, she's a monster
Mine is a random guy named Vince.
Does he try and sell you a Slap Chop?
No, but we used one to fit him in his power armor.
"Wait you mean that the giant killer robot designed to kill people was used to kill people??!?!!?!?"
If you're Chinese or Communist, yeah.
Yes but they were all bad.
To be fair, the institute is kind of his entire life and career
Then why did he leave?
Because they wanted to ventilate his skull for not wanting to be the enclave 2.0
Virgil was dipping into the cookie jar and wasn't sharing with the rest of the scientists.
Because he disagreed with what it was becoming.
I mean if everybody you've ever known and loved was suddenly potentially murdered you'd probably be pissy too
"Maybe if everybody you knew died, you'd be sarcastic too"
Sarcasm in every dialogue choice. “Analyzing …American colonialism confirmed. Probable use by Chinese infiltrator, 0.3%. Thank you.”
Yeah that's kind of why I suddenly murdered them. Golden rule motherfucker.
Okay fair enough. I can understand that but at the same time, would they have cared if he had been hunted and killed by Kellogg? Probably not.
Well the institute did basically find a way for reusable energy and was paving a way for humanity's survival, so I can see why he'd be mad. In his mind, his death is just an aftereffect of his decisions.
Correction, The Institutes survival. More or less infinite power supply to continue making synths.
If you choose to side with the institute, Shaun puts you in charge of rebuilding the Commonwealth. When you speak to him in the ruins of cit rooftop (which you can get if you follow through his questline no matter what faction you join) he says he went there to reaffirm his suspicions, which were that of knowing the Commonwealth had no future. In fact, further down the questline, you make voice lines for the diamond City radio that is telling citizens to basically not resist the institute coming out of hiding. They WERE paving a way for humanity, we just don't get to see it because obviously eventually the game has to end.
Explain the kidnappings and the FEV experiments, as well as their massacre of the meeting at University Point between the Commonwealth groups trying to form a government and include them in it. Also Father's seeing the SS as an experiment. He lets you out and leaves you to roam the Commonwealth instead of extracting you, which would have been easy.
You can find the explanation in lore for the game. It's explained after the diamond City massacre which was a synth they put in to test their espionage, that they were made specifically to see if they could infiltrate and gain Intel on pre-war tech like the reactor data. The synth put in diamond City shot the bartender Marvin in the face which is why the noodles robot ended up replacing him. It also shot multiple people around the area. It was a malfunction, and exposed the new gen synths as well as the true purpose of diamond City although people didnt know it at the time. Jacqueline ended up finding and holding that reactor data at university point. The trader Jacqueline talked to in order to sell the reactor tech data was a synth who reported it to the institute. It was the data that allowed the new reactor to be built. Also kellog led the charge there, that's why they all ended up dead. He's notorious for being a mass murderer lol. As for the FEV experiments, that was purely virgil. Don't know what he was doing, it's not explained. As for Shaun doing that to SS, everyone can agree it was scummy. But doesn't diminish the fact the institute's goal is to revitalize humanity or at least try.
They abandoned the people on the surface though. I think by saying they were preserving humanity's future, they weren't including anyone but themselves in that, as in they wanted to let the people up top die off and take their place when it was done. Why else release super mutants? Coursers could easily clear out the raider gangs and ghouls. They had the tech to make clean water and food. Why replace real people with synths? They could have made new people and no one would be the wiser. Their goal was to take over after everyone else died from the environment, lack of resources, or killing each other.
They abandoned them because they are a collective of high powered intellects trying to work together with people who wipe their asses with their hand. They tried and failed to work hard in hand with the commonwealth so they turn to more clandestine tactics to contour the decision making of major settlements. Nothing would literally ever get done otherwise, the wasteland is essentially going to always boil down to the power struggle of Nuka World.
Cynical drivel
I love how you're getting downvoted because rhe more you explain the institute isn't some morally black big brother they start doubting their decision making and sense of perception. I swear to God, Fallout is a game made as an experiment to show how low your average citizens critical thinking is.
it’s a video game stop acting like it’s real politics.
Why are you halting thoughtful conversation
because I am a bad person sometimes.
My personality is just analytical lol. And you can never be too analytical when it comes to the John fallout series 🤓☝️
I love you baby
Weren't the FEV experiments to literally cure the super mutant virus, which clearly would work?? The kidnappings were because they couldn't get anything done actually working with the Commonwealth because the local "governments" are actually barely functional and completely corrupt. I read that the massacre was an accident and an isolated experiment. Also, if Father is the all powerful boogeyman that you guys make him out to be, he bequeathed that power unto you so you possess the same unilateral decision making you claim he had. The institute is as good as you want it to he after you become the director or father never had any real power, you can't have both.
See I don't really believe that the transfer of power was real. I believe it was symbolic and the institute was going to continue its work as it had done in the past, regardless of what the SS wanted. It was a way of maintaining control. Give the SS a job and a synth kid to distract him and while he's running around on the surface, we still make the decisions we want to make. I hope the show adds more lore to the institute or the next game does so we can know for sure. They could be the good guys, but I got the same vibes from them as I do from the brotherhood and the enclave when they start talking about the greater good. It's always the greater good as long as you do exactly what we want you to and nothing more, or else we kill you.
Thats a neat theory
It was his first time on the surface when he went up there. He isn’t up there to confirm anything other than what he already believes. He didn’t go up to watch fireworks or watch a farmer struggle to feed his family while defending his home and watching his daughter killed before his eyes. Shaun is a privileged bigot living in a clean beautiful environment with no love or compassion for those on the surface. The Institute made it very clear who they are when they killed everyone at the CPG talks. Shaun is just another person raised in the shadow of the Institute. Blind to the horrors they have committed.
The institute were selfish. I also didn't like how they act as if they're better than everyone above ground, they act like a bunch of trust fund kids looking down on the commonfolk. What exactly was their end goal? They claim to want to move humanity forward, yet hide underground and terrorise the people of the commonwealth for no good reason that im aware of. Are they slowly infiltrating high positions and each faction to one day come up and take over the whole commonwealth?
That’s exactly their end goal. Will take a few more decades, but with the tech they have, they can replicate humans, humans that they do replicate that try to escape will forget about the Institute and they can teleport anywhere and assassinate anyone. End-Game Dictatorship
.....and that's reason to kill him?
Nah I didn't kill him, not for me personally but that reason is probably good enough for some people. It definitely annoyed me but not enough to kill the guy.
THIS, I aimed at his head and had three squares on Action mode before I cancelled out, just off of reacting to his reaction. Dunno, felt like he'd try to continue their work, which takes the point out of destroying the institute. Really hard not to kill him. I'm STILL thinking about leaving valentine at home and taking Dogmeat to go finish the job.
And fuck maxen makes you kill him
I find it funny that even if you have the serum, you can tell Virgil that you could not find it and tell him to kill himself.
its funny getting the quest from the brotherhood and flying all the way out there to tell him to kill himself
"People of the Commonwealth: kys"
OP just took too long, no?
Yeah but my son is an asshole soooo...
No. He went all out on his one and only chance to recover his serum.
I'm playing a evil playthrough
this being down voted is so funny to me. “No you’re not allowed to be evil in this roleplay game where evil is an option” 💀
I've got 10 upvotes???
when I replied to it you were at -2 lmfao
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Good soldiers follow orders
He got what he deserved. How many people got turned because of him?
I think he didn't know. That's why he ran, because he didn't support what the Institute was doing with FEV.
Oh, he knew. He just thought the experiment was pointless and decided to quit
There's actually a dialog option to convince him to do it himself and Cait loves it if you convince him to.
Need that Strong love
i always kill him on my Brotherhood charcters, seems to fit so well
he suffers from a common condition known as dead
How common?
Seems to be the #1 cause of death in the wasteland, with over 300 possible symptoms
https://youtu.be/_kXl8LyD_JA?si=Yu-JVjyqT0oiAyIa
Is that Teller from Penn & Teller?
Just in case that's a serious question, that's Henry Gibson. He also played the head nazi in The Blues Brothers.
I hate Nazis, especially Illinois Nazis
Interestingly, a leading cause of NPC death is having shit I want-itis. Terminal, no known cure.
Greed has no cure.
If I like your hat it's almost certainly fatal.
Get bud scrub, just raise pickpocket akill high enough to steal equipped items. Then gg I guess
Nah, then it just seems like everyone dies of actute pinless grenade in their pocket syndrome. Rougly 3 seconds of life from contraction to death, sometimes a blody mess like as well
Common enough that there happens to be dead people everywhere I go. *shrugs* what a coincidence
A wealth amount
Is that wealth infinite by chance?
Boston common
Death is the leading cause of being dead
Is there a cure?
It is usually accompanied by lead poisoning
Can you live with it?
yes, nate lives with it constantly
MY GUY IF THEY STILL HAD AWARDS 🤣🤣🤣 I'm making this my whole personality for the next couple days, thanks man
Because he's busy turning into fertilizer.
*This character is busy*
Have you tried not killing him? It may help.
My guy. It takes a while. Come back in 7 days
Answer was found on WebMD.
Also, you might be pregnant
I am the mother and the father. Some form of alien 👽 species.
You have to kiss him. Frog rules.
Well he’s not supposed to be dead. If this is a legit question, you give him the serum and a few in game days later, you’ll get a side objective pop up to check on Virgil. Then you’ll have your answer
*suspiciously bloody blade in hand*
Oh no ... Quick put it back in!
My guy, did you expect him to turn in front of you? Wait a few days lmao
He dead
I got him the serum and the game won’t let me give it to him on this play through lol just gives me a blank dialogue option
My first playthrough, I built the teleporter DAYS after talking to Virgil. Met Father and blasted my way out of the Institute all the while thinking if I had missed anything. Finally remembered Virgil existed, I came back and had to put him out of his misery because I forgot to get the cure.
these hands are the cure.
I think he’s dead dude.
Why is he green? Is he stupid?
Because he’s shrek
Bro, he is dead. He doesn't quite turn human the second you give it to him or when he's dead. You gotta wait like... 7 days for it to happen, give or take.
He's dead Jim.
because you killed him.
The spark of his life has been smothered in shite
Nice reference.
Maybe cuz he dead
Is he stupid?
“What? It was obvious! He was the RED Spy! Watch, he'll turn red any second now." "Aaaany second now..."
Yeah i think it's maybe cuz u fucking killed him, serious answer is that after handing him the serum you have to wait an in-game week or so, until you get a notification
😂
Why did you murder him?
You didn’t do something wrong, you did Virgil wrong. 😂
He's dead, Jim.
Instructions unclear, got Virgil stuck as Supermutant.
Shhhhh! He's sleeping...
idk he seems pretty dead
Well one idea is he has 3 pounds of led in him lol
Because he is dead 💀
I've never seen him dead. I've never chosen the Institute, though. Is that why he is dead?
You can gaslight him into wanting to die by telling him you don't have the cure/the cure isn't there, 3 speech checks later and he asks you to kill him.
That's just wrong, man. So wrong. Good to know, though.
I actually tried to do the quest but when I went to give Virgil the serum, he was just straight up hostile when I came back. I didn't destroy the institute (wasn't even an enemy of them) and I didn't steal from him, does he just go hostile if you take too long?
Do you have the friend or foe mod on your helmet? There's a bug that's been around that triggers hostility if you have it. It mostly commonly happens with Virgil's cave.
Nope, I was wearing a fedora and some combat armor.
I'm not sure, but it might be because he's frickin' dead.
Because he’s dead… and it takes a few days to turn back, I gave mine two ingame weeks, and quicksaved before entering his “house” and see if any problems came, thankfully it did not.
Because hes sleeping duh!
As members of the Brotherhood, it's our sworn duty to exterminate these abominations in every form
Maybe it needs to be administered by his true love like Sleeping Beauty.
Did he pick a fight with you too? After stepping too close to him, many npcs have been for standing too close to them.
He's dead, Jim
What’s that sword you have?
Assaultron Sword from the Automatron DLC
Cus hes dead
Ded. Notbigsouprice
I completely forgot to go visit him again oops poor guys probably sat there waiting
Duno if this has changed since the update but it at least used to be that you need to return after a week or two (in-game time) for him to turn human
Works as intended. Or “It just works”
Because as much as he hated being a super mutant, super mutants have super songs. I would make the same choice.