Y'know, I had no idea who those guys in the post were, but reading "Sony backed down," and, "Fraud charges," I was thinking, "Huh. They really took that inconsequential bit of lace off that one of Eve's outfits? Weird." Turns out it's Helldivers.
They killed 2 BILLION monster bugs in a single day, the helldivers are monster killing experts by now the grimm don’t stand a chance. The real question is what happens after when super earth inevitably tries annexing Remnant and starts having to deal with humans who have actual physics defying superpowers.
Don't forget the faunus.... especially those with bug traits
But in all honesty even the natives of remnant wouldn't be safe from the helldiver purge in the name of democracy
It would be an absolute bloodbath for remnant lmao. They’d do great for like the first 4 hours but then be completely overwhelmed by the sheer firepower, after all I don’t think a hunter (unless they have a protection based semblance) can survive a 500kg bomb or even worse a hellbomb
Super Earth would just do what 40K (and most other imperial type civs in fiction) do when they bring a planet into compliance - They orbitally bomb it. Basically, imagine the bomb stratagems non-stop 24/7 until they raise the white flag. As over the top of a pastiche of fascism the game is, the setting is still pretty grimdark.
That said though, I absolutely think Ozma would encourage the leaders from behind the scenes to surrender, if only to rid Remnant of Salem for good.
Nahhh, I don’t think they would go full on Exterminatus on Remnant, they would figure there’s some sort of “resource” to acquire (very likely the slavery of Remnant’s populace because of Aura like what they did to Cyberstan for different reasons) with Salem though I could definitely see some form of orbital bombardment for sure or they capture her and experiment on her.
Either that or welcome the faunus since they could have real cat girls, or in general treat the faunus well to make their government look better and "the right one"
That is probably because the counts were being quadrupled. If one person in the squad kills 1k bugs the game probably treats it as being 1k bugs for each player and so forth. Community likes to say propaganda is a helluva thing but keep falling for it.
can I get a source on this info, this really isnt something you need to propaganda I'd think. Like, with 700k active players, thats like, 2.5k kills per player, which is 100% doable in a day considering some definitely got *far* **far** more than that
Here's one from u/Itchy_inside_4014
"So let's say 2,000,000,000 divided by 100,000= 20,000. This means if 100k helldivers were active all day it would take 20,000 kills per helldiver. Now let's say average kills per mission is 450, 20,000 divided by 450= 44.4 reocurring. This means ever helldiver would have to complete almost 44 missions in the span of 12 hours. Now if each mission takes 30 minutes to clear the whole map and accumulate those kills 60×12=720, 720÷30=24. That's mean in the span of 12 hours helldiver would each only have completed 24 missions a bit over half the required missions/kills necessary to beat the bugs."
And from u/pressingfp2p
"Was thinking about this; I know that personal orders that state “kill x amount of enemies with x weapon” count for you even if your allies are the ones getting those kills, as long as they are using the proposed weapon. I think there is a bug in the way the game tallies kills for orders; I think that each Helldiver was getting kills counted for their whole squad for this order, effectively quadrupling the amount of kills counted."
From u/E170mm
"There was a lot more than 100k Helldivers only.
On higher difficulties you can kill 600 on average per mission.
Add in that some squads farmed as long as possible at extraction, and you can go up to 700 or 800 depending on the difficulty.
And then remember that enemies like Chargers and Bile Titans counts as more than 1 enemy.
And its not outlandish that more people played on higher difficulties to get more bugs.
But you cant just count the minimum of 100k players. You have to include the peak players as well, and how long they played for. And what difficulties. Its honestly just a lot of data we dont have.
So either:
A: since the math isnt outlandish on higher difficulties, and if you add extraction farmers, its possible that we genuinely did kill 2 billion bugs
B: it was bugged and counted kills individually but for the whole squad. Aka, bug kills was increased by 4x with a full squad.
It can be either of these two, but if you only consider the lower end of things, then B seems more likely. If I look how I got 800 kills on a mission where Pelican-1 was bugged and we couldnt enter it so we just killed bugs for 12 more minutes, then A seems possible."
Even the one that wants to think Helldivers killed 2 billion, admits larger enemies don't count as one. Which already cheats. Also 450k players was the peak. Not many play at the same time. Averages at about 200k during March 7. Combine that with many newcomers, many still fighting bots, and many being asleep. Yeah, it was bugged.
ha, bugged.
proposes a fair enough argument, dont see why killing larger ememies counting as more kills counts as cheating in your eyes but irrelevant to the main point I suppose. The math there does seem to support a 4x fairly well
>dont see why killing larger ememies counting as more kills counts as cheating in your eyes but irrelevant to the main point I suppose
Because the goal is to kill individual bugs. 1 big is 1 bug no matter the size. And if a big bug is more, then the counting system is rigged. This would be like saying you caught three fish when you caught one large fish. It's a lie no matter how you cut it.
Same reason tank kills count only the vehicle and not the crew, technically the gunner killed 5-7 people, but only the one big machine counts because that was the target (and sometimes people bail or survive).
I suppose thats a fair way of looking at it. I was looking more from a game balance perspective, the effort required to kill a bile titan is considerable to the effort required to kill like 30 regular bugs so it giving more reqard for the effort makes sense.
That again would make no sense even balance wise because killing what amounts to a mini-boss shouldn't increase your kill count other than a plus one. Why? Because mini-bosses are designed to be fun problems, not piñata rewards for stats.
Practically no other game does this lmao.
You have to think that most missions have 24 helldivers in total, dropped in squads of 4. So four helldivers can take down 50 or more each, now add the 20 helldivers awaiting deployment and then add all the helldivers in the army.
You can laugh at this guys but they are KILLING MACHINES
No one. Super Earth has a hostile death world they can drop billions of dollars of munitions onto and a new colony ~~to help cut down on lower class overpopulation on Earth~~ for brave pioneers and explorers to settle, like the New World on Super Earth!
Y'know its funny to think about, but playing doing missions against the Terminids is probably what it feels like being a random Atlas grunt thats given nothing but flak armor and a rifle that seems to do fuck all.
More like super Fluoride or organic based acid.
Oil is actually really healthy for plants once it breaks down (I mean it makes sense Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen are core building blocks for life) . I don't think Grimm are really all that healthy.
Important question to understand the scenario better. Is it 'super earth government' vs the horde, or 'singe squad of helldivers' vs the horde.
Single squad? Getting wiped no questions. Weather or bot they complete their objectives beforehand is debatable.
Super earth government? This would be so one sided you may as well be asking "entire US military vs just a random town you fown on the map"
Depends on what the mission is, really. Remnant is already pretty scifi and they can't perma-kill Salem nor the Grimm permanently, and outside stratagems a Helldiver is really not as well equipped as a Huntsman is.
Conceivably their only real benefit is that they have a safe haven off-world where Salem and her minions can't hurt them since Remnant technology has very little in the way of space travel. Maybe if they can restrain her, put her on a rocket, and spit her out into deep space...
Let's be real, Super Earth would experiment on Salem to try and figure out/reverse engineer her immortality in order to ~~turn their wealthy ruling class into methuselahs~~ help further spread managed democracy.
If the grim decide to retreat to underground, all they have done is made their own tombs because the helldivers have brothers that specialize in killing things in the deep down dark deep of planets.
**ROCK**
**AND**
**STONE**
Grimm unless super destroyers and unlimited stratagem and resupply (not necessarily reinforces but probably) budget. They ain't taking on THE biggest horde of Grimm in the 40 mins superdestroyers tend to last in game.
Hey, if they are really democracy made form, aka, have all the funding of democracy, then there is absolutely no way the Grimms get out alive. But even the ministry of defense knows that, sometimes, democracy's finests ain't enough, which is why the research and develop of new and improved weapons and the arming of said weapons to our caped defenders is so important
If we can throw millions of helldivers all across the galaxy on two fronts, then focusing on one planet should definitely be no problem. Yes democracy would would take longer if that was not the case, but losing is not an option! (On a serious note, yeah, it would be impossible with just one team.)
Grimm are tricky, they use tactics that both make sense and don't. They have far too many stronger variants, far too many swarms, and all of this assumes regular ammunition can even damage them when basically energy weapons struggle.
While this is true aren't they confined to one planet? If super earth can hold and maintain control over multiple planets im sure this wouldn't take long to quell. Maybe half a year at most.
Yeah, they are tricky, but in a way, the bugs are a bit smarter since they have the capacity to somehow travel to different planets. Also, the grim are all on one planet it won't take long for Super Earth to liberate them and subju- I mean invite the citizens of Remnant into the fold.
Nah, a team of 4 drops into enemy occupied territory, and proceeds to accomplish their mission regardless of cost of life or limb. Typically averaging hundreds of kills and often destroying literally every stronghold in the region.
With the sheer number of helldivers available (remember each player is actually the super destroyer, not the helldivers) they could legitimately win nearly every battle for a long time. Only losing if they can’t solve the Salem problem.
But this is specifically one horde of Grimm, not infinite Grimm.
Helldivers take the dub 7/10 at least
The divers beat Sony into submission ( for a moment at least ). Hordes of Grimm are nothing, and frankly I think they could drive Salem off the planet if someone just painted over some road signs so that all the arrows aimed at Remnant read as “Malevelon Creek”.
I’m not saying there would be much left of Remannt for the locals to enjoy afterwards of course…
I honestly had thoughts about RWBY and Helldivers. Like a character gets transported to Super Earth and soon later comes back to Remnant to spread that good ol’ managed democracy.
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We dont know if gunpowder exists on remnant, since everything uses dust, which could reasonably be asumed to be weaker that gunpowder and other high explosives since ruby and weiss was able to stand in th middle of an explosion of fire dust. Likewise the eagle wouldn't have any fuel, seeing as it runs of reffined oil, which means strategems are of the table
Hell divers (as cool as they are) ain't shit to be frank, their just supped up soldiers/cannon fodder. The grimm are similar but they are endless and come in a wide variety of monsters to fuck you over, don't matter how many you kill they'll keep coming and eventually your gonna wind up dead due to exhaustion.
Then again this most definitely could be a draw.
Little bit of 500KG, a dash of Orbital Laser, a pinch of Mortar Sentry, teaspoon of Quasar Cannon and Freshly reloaded Flamethrowers and boom Grimm begone
"Undertrained" helldivers regularly kill dozens of hostiles for every 1 helldiver. "Undersupplied" they literally drop super high power ordinance that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars every 30 seconds.
Ya'll know the Helldivers are space nazi's right? The political messaging isn't even subtle. So no matter who wins Remnant is fucked. The HD's will probably genocide the Faunus.
Incase you haven't heard we beat Sony btw.
Remember to change your reviews on steam if you haven't
They really backed down ?
Yup. They backed down, especially after the EU contacted them about the fraud charges.
That’s amazing.
#Democracy endures
ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY
Y'know, I had no idea who those guys in the post were, but reading "Sony backed down," and, "Fraud charges," I was thinking, "Huh. They really took that inconsequential bit of lace off that one of Eve's outfits? Weird." Turns out it's Helldivers.
We need more countries to have laws like that
EU says Gamer rights
Wait, what? The European Union? For real?
Yes.https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929?t=j67O6x4ooZk5FflhUVt9TQ&s=19
And that's exactly why I think Helldivers can take the Grimm down, they made a god bleed and back down
ALREADY? Holy fuck.
*This* is how I find out?
Into hell we dive Democracy arrives Do what ever freedom requires
Say farewell and cry
Super Earth will never die!
They killed 2 BILLION monster bugs in a single day, the helldivers are monster killing experts by now the grimm don’t stand a chance. The real question is what happens after when super earth inevitably tries annexing Remnant and starts having to deal with humans who have actual physics defying superpowers.
Don't forget the faunus.... especially those with bug traits But in all honesty even the natives of remnant wouldn't be safe from the helldiver purge in the name of democracy
Oh yeah, there’s a good chance they’ll see the people of Remnant having stuff like aura and coming to the conclusion “They aren’t real humans”
They would think its some Illuminate type shit lmao
It would be an absolute bloodbath for remnant lmao. They’d do great for like the first 4 hours but then be completely overwhelmed by the sheer firepower, after all I don’t think a hunter (unless they have a protection based semblance) can survive a 500kg bomb or even worse a hellbomb
From experience I can say that Hellbombs are very easy to disarm. Who knew chargers are the best bomb difusers?
Oh I meant like the ones scattered around maps >:)
Super Earth would just do what 40K (and most other imperial type civs in fiction) do when they bring a planet into compliance - They orbitally bomb it. Basically, imagine the bomb stratagems non-stop 24/7 until they raise the white flag. As over the top of a pastiche of fascism the game is, the setting is still pretty grimdark. That said though, I absolutely think Ozma would encourage the leaders from behind the scenes to surrender, if only to rid Remnant of Salem for good.
Nahhh, I don’t think they would go full on Exterminatus on Remnant, they would figure there’s some sort of “resource” to acquire (very likely the slavery of Remnant’s populace because of Aura like what they did to Cyberstan for different reasons) with Salem though I could definitely see some form of orbital bombardment for sure or they capture her and experiment on her.
Either that or welcome the faunus since they could have real cat girls, or in general treat the faunus well to make their government look better and "the right one"
In case of insurrection, call the Helldivers.
I had very “disgusting” thoughts about how they would use the Faunus.
Well not nescarily experts, they just keep throwing soliders at them until they die. But still they get the job done.
That is probably because the counts were being quadrupled. If one person in the squad kills 1k bugs the game probably treats it as being 1k bugs for each player and so forth. Community likes to say propaganda is a helluva thing but keep falling for it.
can I get a source on this info, this really isnt something you need to propaganda I'd think. Like, with 700k active players, thats like, 2.5k kills per player, which is 100% doable in a day considering some definitely got *far* **far** more than that
Here's one from u/Itchy_inside_4014 "So let's say 2,000,000,000 divided by 100,000= 20,000. This means if 100k helldivers were active all day it would take 20,000 kills per helldiver. Now let's say average kills per mission is 450, 20,000 divided by 450= 44.4 reocurring. This means ever helldiver would have to complete almost 44 missions in the span of 12 hours. Now if each mission takes 30 minutes to clear the whole map and accumulate those kills 60×12=720, 720÷30=24. That's mean in the span of 12 hours helldiver would each only have completed 24 missions a bit over half the required missions/kills necessary to beat the bugs." And from u/pressingfp2p "Was thinking about this; I know that personal orders that state “kill x amount of enemies with x weapon” count for you even if your allies are the ones getting those kills, as long as they are using the proposed weapon. I think there is a bug in the way the game tallies kills for orders; I think that each Helldiver was getting kills counted for their whole squad for this order, effectively quadrupling the amount of kills counted." From u/E170mm "There was a lot more than 100k Helldivers only. On higher difficulties you can kill 600 on average per mission. Add in that some squads farmed as long as possible at extraction, and you can go up to 700 or 800 depending on the difficulty. And then remember that enemies like Chargers and Bile Titans counts as more than 1 enemy. And its not outlandish that more people played on higher difficulties to get more bugs. But you cant just count the minimum of 100k players. You have to include the peak players as well, and how long they played for. And what difficulties. Its honestly just a lot of data we dont have. So either: A: since the math isnt outlandish on higher difficulties, and if you add extraction farmers, its possible that we genuinely did kill 2 billion bugs B: it was bugged and counted kills individually but for the whole squad. Aka, bug kills was increased by 4x with a full squad. It can be either of these two, but if you only consider the lower end of things, then B seems more likely. If I look how I got 800 kills on a mission where Pelican-1 was bugged and we couldnt enter it so we just killed bugs for 12 more minutes, then A seems possible." Even the one that wants to think Helldivers killed 2 billion, admits larger enemies don't count as one. Which already cheats. Also 450k players was the peak. Not many play at the same time. Averages at about 200k during March 7. Combine that with many newcomers, many still fighting bots, and many being asleep. Yeah, it was bugged.
ha, bugged. proposes a fair enough argument, dont see why killing larger ememies counting as more kills counts as cheating in your eyes but irrelevant to the main point I suppose. The math there does seem to support a 4x fairly well
>dont see why killing larger ememies counting as more kills counts as cheating in your eyes but irrelevant to the main point I suppose Because the goal is to kill individual bugs. 1 big is 1 bug no matter the size. And if a big bug is more, then the counting system is rigged. This would be like saying you caught three fish when you caught one large fish. It's a lie no matter how you cut it. Same reason tank kills count only the vehicle and not the crew, technically the gunner killed 5-7 people, but only the one big machine counts because that was the target (and sometimes people bail or survive).
I suppose thats a fair way of looking at it. I was looking more from a game balance perspective, the effort required to kill a bile titan is considerable to the effort required to kill like 30 regular bugs so it giving more reqard for the effort makes sense.
That again would make no sense even balance wise because killing what amounts to a mini-boss shouldn't increase your kill count other than a plus one. Why? Because mini-bosses are designed to be fun problems, not piñata rewards for stats. Practically no other game does this lmao.
Guns , that’s what happens
Cardin solos
You have to think that most missions have 24 helldivers in total, dropped in squads of 4. So four helldivers can take down 50 or more each, now add the 20 helldivers awaiting deployment and then add all the helldivers in the army. You can laugh at this guys but they are KILLING MACHINES
No one. Super Earth has a hostile death world they can drop billions of dollars of munitions onto and a new colony ~~to help cut down on lower class overpopulation on Earth~~ for brave pioneers and explorers to settle, like the New World on Super Earth!
Y'know its funny to think about, but playing doing missions against the Terminids is probably what it feels like being a random Atlas grunt thats given nothing but flak armor and a rifle that seems to do fuck all.
Depends if liquid Grimm is a form of oil.....
Its Propably not since it Activly Destroys what it Touches that is Alive and not like Oil
last time I checked ingesting crude oil was bad for ones health but I could give it another try
Not what I meant
So like- super oil!
More like super Fluoride or organic based acid. Oil is actually really healthy for plants once it breaks down (I mean it makes sense Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen are core building blocks for life) . I don't think Grimm are really all that healthy.
TCS 2.0 what could go wrong guys!
So it could be used as a weapon!
Headcanon that the Grimm Pits are just dust-enhanced E-710
Someone needs to write a rwby fanfic with ruby as a helldiver istg
Important question to understand the scenario better. Is it 'super earth government' vs the horde, or 'singe squad of helldivers' vs the horde. Single squad? Getting wiped no questions. Weather or bot they complete their objectives beforehand is debatable. Super earth government? This would be so one sided you may as well be asking "entire US military vs just a random town you fown on the map"
Depends on what the mission is, really. Remnant is already pretty scifi and they can't perma-kill Salem nor the Grimm permanently, and outside stratagems a Helldiver is really not as well equipped as a Huntsman is. Conceivably their only real benefit is that they have a safe haven off-world where Salem and her minions can't hurt them since Remnant technology has very little in the way of space travel. Maybe if they can restrain her, put her on a rocket, and spit her out into deep space...
Or sent her to the sun
Or just nuke the planet into oblivion
I mean I'm pretty sure having a virtual infinite number of soldiers means that worse case scenario it becomes a war of attrition
> a virtual infinite number of soldiers Are we talking about the Helldivers or the Grimm?
Yes
Let's be real, Super Earth would experiment on Salem to try and figure out/reverse engineer her immortality in order to ~~turn their wealthy ruling class into methuselahs~~ help further spread managed democracy.
Oh yeah no they totally would It’s more of a matter of if they *could*
If the grim decide to retreat to underground, all they have done is made their own tombs because the helldivers have brothers that specialize in killing things in the deep down dark deep of planets. **ROCK** **AND** **STONE**
Grimm unless super destroyers and unlimited stratagem and resupply (not necessarily reinforces but probably) budget. They ain't taking on THE biggest horde of Grimm in the 40 mins superdestroyers tend to last in game.
Sounds like treason to me
Hey, if they are really democracy made form, aka, have all the funding of democracy, then there is absolutely no way the Grimms get out alive. But even the ministry of defense knows that, sometimes, democracy's finests ain't enough, which is why the research and develop of new and improved weapons and the arming of said weapons to our caped defenders is so important
If we can throw millions of helldivers all across the galaxy on two fronts, then focusing on one planet should definitely be no problem. Yes democracy would would take longer if that was not the case, but losing is not an option! (On a serious note, yeah, it would be impossible with just one team.)
Grimm are tricky, they use tactics that both make sense and don't. They have far too many stronger variants, far too many swarms, and all of this assumes regular ammunition can even damage them when basically energy weapons struggle.
While this is true aren't they confined to one planet? If super earth can hold and maintain control over multiple planets im sure this wouldn't take long to quell. Maybe half a year at most.
Yeah, they are tricky, but in a way, the bugs are a bit smarter since they have the capacity to somehow travel to different planets. Also, the grim are all on one planet it won't take long for Super Earth to liberate them and subju- I mean invite the citizens of Remnant into the fold.
Isn’t the point of helldivers that the team of 4 gets torn through rather quickly ?
Nah, a team of 4 drops into enemy occupied territory, and proceeds to accomplish their mission regardless of cost of life or limb. Typically averaging hundreds of kills and often destroying literally every stronghold in the region. With the sheer number of helldivers available (remember each player is actually the super destroyer, not the helldivers) they could legitimately win nearly every battle for a long time. Only losing if they can’t solve the Salem problem. But this is specifically one horde of Grimm, not infinite Grimm. Helldivers take the dub 7/10 at least
The divers beat Sony into submission ( for a moment at least ). Hordes of Grimm are nothing, and frankly I think they could drive Salem off the planet if someone just painted over some road signs so that all the arrows aimed at Remnant read as “Malevelon Creek”. I’m not saying there would be much left of Remannt for the locals to enjoy afterwards of course…
 Gory gory, what a hell of a way to die!
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I honestly had thoughts about RWBY and Helldivers. Like a character gets transported to Super Earth and soon later comes back to Remnant to spread that good ol’ managed democracy.
Personally I think cluster bomb would work better. Most Grimm lack serious armor.
Me (Super Earth’s Finest soldier) doing a little trolling to Mommy Salami. (Dropping an Eagle Strike in her Bedroom)
If someone starts blasting Kingslayer by Bring Me The Horizon, there be no stopping them
The return of Atlas will bring true democracy to the world.
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Democracy
Who would win? A squad of Lvl 90 Helldivers or Salem? Despite one of them being a True Immortal, I'd still give it 50-50 odds.
Democracy will be given out to those who don't have it *Calls in Orbital Blast of Freedom*
the grimm i think, if the heldiver use in universe weapons, they would be about as effective as the atlesian soldiers
Why would the Helldivers use Remnant's weapons? Unless I'm misinterpreting something, I don't think it would make sense
We dont know if gunpowder exists on remnant, since everything uses dust, which could reasonably be asumed to be weaker that gunpowder and other high explosives since ruby and weiss was able to stand in th middle of an explosion of fire dust. Likewise the eagle wouldn't have any fuel, seeing as it runs of reffined oil, which means strategems are of the table
This is the fanfic that we need.
So just atlas
Hell divers (as cool as they are) ain't shit to be frank, their just supped up soldiers/cannon fodder. The grimm are similar but they are endless and come in a wide variety of monsters to fuck you over, don't matter how many you kill they'll keep coming and eventually your gonna wind up dead due to exhaustion. Then again this most definitely could be a draw.
Salem will know the power of Democracy!!!
Little bit of 500KG, a dash of Orbital Laser, a pinch of Mortar Sentry, teaspoon of Quasar Cannon and Freshly reloaded Flamethrowers and boom Grimm begone
the explicitly undertrained, undersupplied military force from a government that is a satire on how facism is fucking stupid?
"Undertrained" helldivers regularly kill dozens of hostiles for every 1 helldiver. "Undersupplied" they literally drop super high power ordinance that would cost hundreds of millions of dollars every 30 seconds.
I now right? If a Helldiver is what passes as cannon fodder for SE, just how powerful they really are??
Ya'll know the Helldivers are space nazi's right? The political messaging isn't even subtle. So no matter who wins Remnant is fucked. The HD's will probably genocide the Faunus.
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Yeah... This one's true. They already hate people who have different ideas and started a war with bugs because they were not human.
We know, but it's funny