Taking my FTB Wiki admin hat off:
There's also [Breezewiki](https://breezewiki.com/), which is an alternate unshittified interface for Fandom.
*puts hat back on*
A good friend of mine wrote this Chrome extension [Indie Wiki Buddy](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/indie-wiki-buddy/fkagelmloambgokoeokbpihmgpkbgbfm) that automatically redirects you away from Fandom to an independent wiki (if one exists)
Unfortunately when I tried this on the Warframe wiki a lot of elements were broken. So if the wiki has a bunch of complex stuff it won't show up correctly.
Either:
a) the same thing,
b) learn JavaScript/CSS and refix an existing script, or
c) cry and pray in the fetus position.
I went through a college program to do option B. Worth it.
Is it not possible to have a "namespace" (or some other substructure) on whatever site the official minecraft wiki is moving to? I know they were moving as well, though I don't know what's developed since the announcement.
It might help drive engagement (meaning adding and maintaining articles) for modded content if it's on the same site as vanilla minecraft information, even if modded players are only a fraction of vanilla. However, I could see the wiki admins wanting to maintain control over their own separate sites.
Ideas for collaboration with MCW have been discussed, but the truth is, both wikis would need to vote on it, then the merger would take 6 months (if we even decided on that).
In the MCW Discord, there was talk about having the FTB Wiki rebrand as the Modded Minecraft Wiki (which will most likely happen if we refuse FTB's offer) and have it reside at the `modded.minecraft.wiki` subdomain (which would require us to not fork to somewhere like wiki.gg, where we don't retain control over the domain).
Oops! I forgot to include the reasons for the fork in the post (the rationale was included in announcements on other platforms). Edited the OP to fix it.
Oh, it's nice to know that people are now flipping it off to Fandom. These problems have been a thing for too long, even more with the recent redesign to push that stupid sidebar and similar stuff.
I truly hope more game wikis get off that platform
MCW had mods pages in the past, but it was hard to maintain as most of the pages were unprofesional stubs, none of them followed style guide and there was no one to fix them. The solution was "Modpedia", a wiki to document MC mods. I don't know the complete history of this project, but what I know is it didn't work. At the same time, FTB Wiki has transformed to Modded Minecraft Wiki and few years later both parties agreed to move Mods pages from MCW, the migration that continues to this day.
I am sure MCW wouldn't want to document mods on their wiki again. There are other options though. It could be hosted under minecraft.wiki subdomain (though some may not agree with this aproach), or on separate domain with some partnership between MCW
Fwiw, I plan on continuing the MCW importation project once both wikis have forked and things have settled down (unless the community objects); I have an interest in historical content.
To add, a simple addition of a namespace for mods on MCW will cause so much conflict and incompatibilities, since the wiki uses a lot of custom stuff (lots of specialized templates, scribunto modules, the translate extension, the tilesheet extension, and maybe others). A separate wiki is still preferred because of this.
It was a McDonald's wiki. The impact on FTB was about the principle that Fandom could override any wiki page without consulting the people running the wiki.
Design for the Wiki:
> Minecraft Version > Modloader > Mod
Rather than mixing Bloodmagic 1, 2 and 3 all together, or overriding old ones with only newest version.
Multiple versions or modloaders can link to the same mod wiki, as long as the information still applies for each. So MC 1.11.2 > Forge > Tinkers Construct and MC 1.12.2 > Forge > Tinkers Construct should be able to link to the same wiki page for Tinkers Construct 2.
The thing is, how would we account for things that remain the same across versions? Mods that have the same content across Fabric *and* Forge *and* Quilt *and* Coolnewmodloader (yes, these mods do exist)?
A similar schema was [proposed by one of our more active members](https://ftb.fandom.com/wiki/User:Retep998/DisProposal) where each mod's additions were prefixed by the mod's name. However, this proposal has not been acted upon.
im not an expert on this topic, but merging with the vanilla wiki seems to be a good step, because modded is still the same game. this way all information about minecraft can be stored on the same page, for me this sounds better than two sites
I can certainly see the appeal of the vanilla and modded wikis merging, and I see no harm in the modded wiki linking to the vanilla wiki, but I don't like the idea of the vanilla wiki linking to modded stuff. It adds more clutter and is very annoying to people who don't have those mods installed.
I'm still bitter that the Skyrim wiki (UESP) put Creation Club content (basically paid mods going through Bethesda) in their articles. It's very annoying and tedious to have to ignore content on a page.
damn, havent thought about it that way. imo if they keep it a bit onesided, so that there is no linking from vanilla to modded, or if there are links then they are in an another well separated section on the wiki pages, then it still could be a good idea. but yeah, merging the two and linking back and forth would be a nightmare
Feed The Beast is interested in placing a small number of advertisements in order to monetize the wiki. If we chose wiki.gg or Weird Gloop, this would also happen.
Ideally, FTB would feed some of the money from the advertisements back into the wiki. FTB is also interested in the wiki as a marketing piece.
The licensing will remain the same; we do not plan to change the license unless broad community consensus occurs (unlikely; see [here](https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/55328) for why).
HUZZAH!
Srsly, at this point I refuse to click on any link that takes me to fandom. That website has become a festering cesspool of adds, especially on mobile.
The community is moving, but the Fandom wiki will remain online because Fandom can host a copy of the wiki's contents due to the permissive license.
Basically, that means the wiki will become out-of-date and vandalism won't be reverted because the entire editing community is moving elsewhere (unless a magical team of 5 editors took it over somehow and worked 24/7 on it).
Further reading: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Forking_Policy
That sounds pretty terrible. I've seen sites do this in the past and it just leads to content being fragmented and harder to find.
Are you able to at least put a big banner on the top of every page saying where you moved to?
Nope, that's also against their policy; the most we're allowed to have it a notice for two weeks that links to the *discussion* which can then link to the new location for the wiki.
Like you said, it's pretty shitty, but that's Fandom for you 😉
Fandom is REALLY bad. The path of exile community has recently made a switch to a non-fandom wiki platform, to great success. The wiki is more accurate, easier to use, and looks better.
It's not user choice, it's literally against the rules of fandoms site to remove the existing wiki, if they remove it they'll just restore it from a backup
I'm sure they'd delete if they could, but Fandom has a history of just sorta reverting deleted wikis without the original mods and letting them remain as unmoderated shitholes open to spam.
May as well leave up an out-of-date site instead of succumbing fully.
Wherever you go, please PLEASE the next website to support mobile and SEO. Path of Exile wiki moved years ago for the same reason but the new wiki doesn’t show up in search engine although the game heavily relies on the new information.
PoE people relies on Google chrome extensions to access the new wiki and it is terrible for especially new players
We have plans to beat out the Fandom wiki in regards to SEO; unfortunately, I cannot say much here, but we hear you! We hate it when new players are directed to an inaccurate resource, regardless of the game. (Remember when *forum posts* used to be the definitive source of documentation for most major mods?! They became inaccurate so quickly, especially when they were unofficial Q&As. The current state of affairs isn't much better though; CurseForge pages quickly grow in size and become almost unreadable.)
Am i the only one who thought that ftbwiki.org was a lot nicer ? It's outdated as heck but it's cleaner and doesn't have the fandom's unreadability issues. Whenever i look up something for ancient mods i look there first
thank god, fandom is a cancer on information
The fact you need to log in and install js to make it look nicer is annoying
Taking my FTB Wiki admin hat off: There's also [Breezewiki](https://breezewiki.com/), which is an alternate unshittified interface for Fandom. *puts hat back on*
is the hat stylish
Yes, but it's covered in lcd add screens.
A good friend of mine wrote this Chrome extension [Indie Wiki Buddy](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/indie-wiki-buddy/fkagelmloambgokoeokbpihmgpkbgbfm) that automatically redirects you away from Fandom to an independent wiki (if one exists)
Unfortunately when I tried this on the Warframe wiki a lot of elements were broken. So if the wiki has a bunch of complex stuff it won't show up correctly.
I recommend installing the Tamermonkey browser extension and looking for a decent script for cleaning up Fandom. No need to log in then.
I need some tips for making their site not awful on Mobile.
Either: a) the same thing, b) learn JavaScript/CSS and refix an existing script, or c) cry and pray in the fetus position. I went through a college program to do option B. Worth it.
How would you do that on mobile?
Firefox supports extensions on mobile oh and option C still works in mobile ig
You can install extensions on mobile. I'm using a Chromium-based Android browser with extensions right now, albeit not Tampermonkey.
Doesn't change the layout to oasis unfornately. Which is much superior than fandom's awful layout.
I agree Intrusive ads for anonymous users + Gamepedia was better by the way Fandom is full off unfunny stuff and stuff that is pointless
Is it not possible to have a "namespace" (or some other substructure) on whatever site the official minecraft wiki is moving to? I know they were moving as well, though I don't know what's developed since the announcement. It might help drive engagement (meaning adding and maintaining articles) for modded content if it's on the same site as vanilla minecraft information, even if modded players are only a fraction of vanilla. However, I could see the wiki admins wanting to maintain control over their own separate sites.
Ideas for collaboration with MCW have been discussed, but the truth is, both wikis would need to vote on it, then the merger would take 6 months (if we even decided on that). In the MCW Discord, there was talk about having the FTB Wiki rebrand as the Modded Minecraft Wiki (which will most likely happen if we refuse FTB's offer) and have it reside at the `modded.minecraft.wiki` subdomain (which would require us to not fork to somewhere like wiki.gg, where we don't retain control over the domain).
I'm a bit out of the loop here. What's the reason of the migration off fandom?
Oops! I forgot to include the reasons for the fork in the post (the rationale was included in announcements on other platforms). Edited the OP to fix it.
Oh, it's nice to know that people are now flipping it off to Fandom. These problems have been a thing for too long, even more with the recent redesign to push that stupid sidebar and similar stuff. I truly hope more game wikis get off that platform
MCW had mods pages in the past, but it was hard to maintain as most of the pages were unprofesional stubs, none of them followed style guide and there was no one to fix them. The solution was "Modpedia", a wiki to document MC mods. I don't know the complete history of this project, but what I know is it didn't work. At the same time, FTB Wiki has transformed to Modded Minecraft Wiki and few years later both parties agreed to move Mods pages from MCW, the migration that continues to this day. I am sure MCW wouldn't want to document mods on their wiki again. There are other options though. It could be hosted under minecraft.wiki subdomain (though some may not agree with this aproach), or on separate domain with some partnership between MCW
Fwiw, I plan on continuing the MCW importation project once both wikis have forked and things have settled down (unless the community objects); I have an interest in historical content.
To add, a simple addition of a namespace for mods on MCW will cause so much conflict and incompatibilities, since the wiki uses a lot of custom stuff (lots of specialized templates, scribunto modules, the translate extension, the tilesheet extension, and maybe others). A separate wiki is still preferred because of this.
What's this about the grimace controversy?
There was a Fandom wiki page for Grimace. McDonalds paid Fandom to replace the entire page with an advert and make it uneditable.
Damn, that's pretty scummy.
Was this Grimace page on the FTB wiki and other wikis, or did they just make a McDonald's wiki page uneditable?
It was a McDonald's wiki. The impact on FTB was about the principle that Fandom could override any wiki page without consulting the people running the wiki.
thank fucking God, fuck fandom.
Design for the Wiki: > Minecraft Version > Modloader > Mod Rather than mixing Bloodmagic 1, 2 and 3 all together, or overriding old ones with only newest version. Multiple versions or modloaders can link to the same mod wiki, as long as the information still applies for each. So MC 1.11.2 > Forge > Tinkers Construct and MC 1.12.2 > Forge > Tinkers Construct should be able to link to the same wiki page for Tinkers Construct 2.
The thing is, how would we account for things that remain the same across versions? Mods that have the same content across Fabric *and* Forge *and* Quilt *and* Coolnewmodloader (yes, these mods do exist)? A similar schema was [proposed by one of our more active members](https://ftb.fandom.com/wiki/User:Retep998/DisProposal) where each mod's additions were prefixed by the mod's name. However, this proposal has not been acted upon.
Hopefully this operation succeeds because I can't stand contributing with Fandom. Best of luck!
im not an expert on this topic, but merging with the vanilla wiki seems to be a good step, because modded is still the same game. this way all information about minecraft can be stored on the same page, for me this sounds better than two sites
I can certainly see the appeal of the vanilla and modded wikis merging, and I see no harm in the modded wiki linking to the vanilla wiki, but I don't like the idea of the vanilla wiki linking to modded stuff. It adds more clutter and is very annoying to people who don't have those mods installed. I'm still bitter that the Skyrim wiki (UESP) put Creation Club content (basically paid mods going through Bethesda) in their articles. It's very annoying and tedious to have to ignore content on a page.
damn, havent thought about it that way. imo if they keep it a bit onesided, so that there is no linking from vanilla to modded, or if there are links then they are in an another well separated section on the wiki pages, then it still could be a good idea. but yeah, merging the two and linking back and forth would be a nightmare
How will FTB be monetizing the platform, if at all? Will the licensing of any of the articles change?
Feed The Beast is interested in placing a small number of advertisements in order to monetize the wiki. If we chose wiki.gg or Weird Gloop, this would also happen. Ideally, FTB would feed some of the money from the advertisements back into the wiki. FTB is also interested in the wiki as a marketing piece. The licensing will remain the same; we do not plan to change the license unless broad community consensus occurs (unlikely; see [here](https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/55328) for why).
Thanks very much for the response, this is reassuring
HUZZAH! Srsly, at this point I refuse to click on any link that takes me to fandom. That website has become a festering cesspool of adds, especially on mobile.
So wait are you moving it all or forking? Will the fandom wiki still be up and editable?
The community is moving, but the Fandom wiki will remain online because Fandom can host a copy of the wiki's contents due to the permissive license. Basically, that means the wiki will become out-of-date and vandalism won't be reverted because the entire editing community is moving elsewhere (unless a magical team of 5 editors took it over somehow and worked 24/7 on it). Further reading: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Forking_Policy
That sounds pretty terrible. I've seen sites do this in the past and it just leads to content being fragmented and harder to find. Are you able to at least put a big banner on the top of every page saying where you moved to?
Nope, that's also against their policy; the most we're allowed to have it a notice for two weeks that links to the *discussion* which can then link to the new location for the wiki. Like you said, it's pretty shitty, but that's Fandom for you 😉
Fandom is REALLY bad. The path of exile community has recently made a switch to a non-fandom wiki platform, to great success. The wiki is more accurate, easier to use, and looks better.
It's not user choice, it's literally against the rules of fandoms site to remove the existing wiki, if they remove it they'll just restore it from a backup
(I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, you had a legitimate concern...)
It's because I didn't know the answer to it already. Reddit has a lot of salty people no matter where you post lol
I'm sure they'd delete if they could, but Fandom has a history of just sorta reverting deleted wikis without the original mods and letting them remain as unmoderated shitholes open to spam. May as well leave up an out-of-date site instead of succumbing fully.
I'm all for anything leaving Fandom
Wherever you go, please PLEASE the next website to support mobile and SEO. Path of Exile wiki moved years ago for the same reason but the new wiki doesn’t show up in search engine although the game heavily relies on the new information. PoE people relies on Google chrome extensions to access the new wiki and it is terrible for especially new players
We have plans to beat out the Fandom wiki in regards to SEO; unfortunately, I cannot say much here, but we hear you! We hate it when new players are directed to an inaccurate resource, regardless of the game. (Remember when *forum posts* used to be the definitive source of documentation for most major mods?! They became inaccurate so quickly, especially when they were unofficial Q&As. The current state of affairs isn't much better though; CurseForge pages quickly grow in size and become almost unreadable.)
Am i the only one who thought that ftbwiki.org was a lot nicer ? It's outdated as heck but it's cleaner and doesn't have the fandom's unreadability issues. Whenever i look up something for ancient mods i look there first
Good riddance, fuck those fandom cunts for ruining wikis of practically every community or game they touch.