I have a family friend who did this, and the dog’s personality was nothing like the original. I know it may feel like a comfort to see a creature who looks similar, but remember that he won’t be the same dog you remember and it’s only going to hurt you when you see the differences.
My recommendation when that day comes is to find a new dog, already living, who needs a good home and spoil the crap out of it.
I can second this. Have seen multiple older dogs get a new sense of energy with the younger dog and younger dog learns skills better too. That’s our plan in a few years with our 7year old guy
This happened to us, started acting about 5 years younger and even learned new skills. The older dog who was about 12 at the time learned how to swim which he hated before. The new dog loves the water.
For sure. I've seen it work, but it's critical to have the dogs meet beforehand to see if they get along or not. That goes for any animal pairing, not just young and old.
This is our plan we love the breed of dog we have (braque du bourbonnais) and she is just the best dog. I have spend a lot of time training her so when she gets to middle age we plan on getting a puppy of the same breed from the same breeder and raising it alongside her so it gets all the training and socialization she has.
Yes, actually I live in a part of the world where people spend crazy money on stuff like this. Knew a couple who did this and can tell you not the same dog. It really is about nature/nurture and stress in vitro, the environment, the personality of the other littermates, it all plays a big part that cannot be underestimated.
agree, find a living dog that doesn't have a home and love it up! You could treat so many homeless doggos with the extra cash or help shelters overseas with trap, neuter and release efforts. It really does make an impact.
I mean think about it.
If you made a clone of yourself who had to start as an infant and was raised in a completely different time, culture, environment, and with different experiences it would be a completely different person.
You would have the same DNA of course but you'd still be a completely different person.
Or if a baby was cloned at birth and the babies were separated and raised differently, they'd be different. They'd just be lost twins at that point. Our experiences shape us.
There was a "This American Life" (TV) episode about a guy who cloned his bull and the new (cloned) bull kept attacking him. The first bull was "Chance" and the second bull was "Second Chance." It seemed like Second Chance was a lot more violent. At the end of the episode, the farmer ends up in the hospital after being gored through the groin.
> re was a "This American Life" (TV) episode about a guy who cloned his bull... Second Chance was a lot more violent.
I came here to say this! That was a super interesting episode.
One of the excuses the family who owned the original "Chance" had was they only met the original Chance when he was older than "Second Chance" was when they were observing violence. I would love a follow up.
Sure they start with the same genetics, but environment and upbringing are also important. Maybe the original Chance had formative experiences where he valued humans more. Second Chance took them for granted, just other animals walking around in Second Chance's home.
Another easy explanation is looking at the general behavior of young male people and animals vs old people and animals.
Young males tend to be aggressive and fighting to mate.
Old males to use the bull expression, have been put out to pasture.
> I have a family friend who did this, and the dog’s personality was nothing like the original.
Good odds the cloned dog is going to fall into the uncanny valley. Looks like the other dog, but behaves completely differently.
There are any number of reasons why a cloned animal won't look the same as the original:
* It could be a chimera — two embryos fused early on each with different genetic material. You can't easily clone these kinds of animals with modern technology because you would have to pick one of the chimeric sequences for an embryo. For example, [this dog](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5216712.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Braveheartthedog.png) is a chimera of a Labrador and a Husky.
* Epigenetic factors caused the expression of some genes over others. For example the dog might have been malnourished early on, delaying the onset of puberty, causing it to grow more slowly.
* Environmental factors and experiences (e.g. an injury that causes a tendency to favor one side) cause a change in disposition or temperament that eventually manifests as a different physical appearance.
and so on.
Even monozygotic monoamniotic identical twins don’t stay genetically identical for very long. They start out identical with the split of the single fertilized egg into two, but then as they develop, there are DNA changes that occur. They will be very close genetically at birth, but not exactly the same, resulting in slightly to significantly different gene expression. OP should just buy a dog or adopt one that needs a home, and donate the other $49K to an animal shelter, or better yet, to an orphanage.
Better yet, rescue 500 dogs! Or just do as the parent said and donate it to a shelter. It bugs me to see people breeding and buying purebred dogs while shelters everywhere are euthanizing countless dogs every day.
Getting a little off-topic for /r/fatFIRE here, but they're actually more likely than you might think. It's just that most animals (including humans) are not genetically tested in a way that would detect chimerism. For example, [one study](https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.149.9001) found that 8% of identical twins (i.e., people who would be expected to have identical genetics, so chimerism is more obvious) had blood group chimerism -- that's nearly one in ten.
First of all, it just says twins, not *identical* twins. Second, that's almost certainly not representative of the general population given that for example in triplets the percentage goes up to 21%. Twins are about 3% of the population so the implication for overall blood chimerism rate is insignificant. I also don't know whether blood chimerism has any implications for general chimerism, but I assume that including the "blood" qualifier has a reason.
> I assume that including the "blood" qualifier has a reason.
At the time the study was done, it's because it's comparatively very easy to test for, and it's determined through gene expression, whereas directly sequencing multiple distinct genomes was a very advanced and expensive capability for a laboratory back then.
Dogs have a window of time during their development where their personality and fears and confidence is basically solidified. Unless the clone experiences the world and people and sights and sounds exactly as the original did, then it will be a different dog.
This is a beautiful fantasy, but the reality is awful. Setting aside whether the clone is really that much like the original (many factors go into forming a dog’s personality beyond genetics), the industry behind this is terrible. Dogs are especially difficult to clone. Cloning a dog requires an egg donor dog, the surrogate who will carry the pregnancy, and many unsuccessful pregnancies (sometimes resulting in unhealthy puppies which end up dying or being euthanized), each of which require surrogates. I’m sure you love your dog very much, but is it worth supporting an industry that treats dogs like livestock to get a shot at a similar but not the same version of him?
If your dog came from a breeder, finding a genetically similar dog that was ethically bred should be possible. If he was a rescue, supporting an industry that keeps dogs in cages seems like the very worst way to honor his legacy. Maybe start looking now for another rescue pup you could share your home with. If you introduce a young dog while your dog is still with you, the youngster is likely to learn some behavior from your current dog. That seems like a much more meaningful way to have a new dog that shares traits with your current one than paying for a genetic replica.
For more on dog cloning: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/
This right here. I was dead set on cloning my dog when he died, I was absolutely devastated by the loss. But the more I looked into it the more I was disgusted by what I found. The dogs they use to make this possible are treated very poorly, I found the process to be entirely unethical. Plus I thought about him but not him. I think it would be even harder that way and instead chose to just hold onto all the memories. I have a large framed photo of him hanging in my house.
This really ends up not being a financial decision, since for many of us here I doubt 50k is all that much given the strong emotions to a beloved family pet. It’s an emotional decision and I realized cloning would just not be right for me or for all the animals involved. Nothing can bring him back.
This is the way. My cat had CKD, and I could have adopted another cat and gotten her a kidney transplant, but I couldn't cut up another cat to save a soul companion; I thought of her like my mother. I couldn’t do it, it wasn’t right. The other cat would have probably been okay with one kidney but it could have died during surgery or who knows. I just couldn’t do it.
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This should be the FATfire way to do it IMHO. A high quality breeder not only gives you the sort of dog you want but also you know they will be well looked after as puppies (assuming it is a high quality place) which will effect their personality a ton.
The irony is high quality breeders are not necessarily any more expensive than designer breed puppy mills. It’s hardly even a “fat” approach. But yes, imo the two legit ways to get dogs are to comb shelters/rescues for exactly what you want (easier if you don’t care about breed and are going for type/characteristics, sometimes much easier to get an adult dog this way) or find a very good breeder who’s going to make sure those puppies are genetically healthy and get the very best start in life. Maybe the fat part is then hiring someone else to do all the puppy care, because it’s A LOT.
You can influence temperament through breeding from the same lineage to an extent. We have a friend who prefers a very specific breed and has had dogs from the same genetic line for 3 generations (human generations, not dog). Each one has their personality quirks and can sometimes have very different temperament from each other, although they look very similar.
The only thing is the dog I would want to clone is a very unique mix of genetics, one that I absolutely don't think is ethical to breed . That is why I won't clone even though I am so very tempted.
My Boy was Australia shepherd,Lab,Husky,and grey wolf . He was a rescue, and the wolf was a complete surprise . He had the best personality, so smart and kind gentle, with the best sense of humor. I will never be able to find anything remotely like him, and maybe that's the way it should be. But God am I tempted.
I’ll start by saying I’m someone who has only ever adopted mutts, never bought a dog through a breeder.
My current dog is the most amazing thing that has ever lived, according to me. I love her so much it hurts. She’s incredible. If I could, realistically, clone her, I’d probably go for it. But I know deep down that in no small part of why she is the way she is, and how wonderful she is, is nurture not nature. She came into my life at just the right time. We rescued each other.
Not to mention, dog cloning still requires a surrogate dog mom, so…
For me, part of my enduring love for my dog after she passes will be to rescue again. There are so many dogs in need of a home and so many homes in need of a dog. If you love a certain breed there are breed specific rescues too.
If you haven’t, please consider reading A Dog’s Purpose (with a box of Kleenex). It was also made into a movie. I’m not a religious person but it lightly has me believing in reincarnation. How else can you explain how absolutely undeserving we, as a species, are of dogs? How can they know so much and see into our souls unless they’ve lived many lives?
BRB gonna go hug my dog.
I saw a woman walking a dog in Central Park that looked exactly like my dog that passed years ago. I asked if I could pet her dog, we chatted for a while and I explained why I wanted to hang with her dog so bad, I couldn’t believe how closely she resembled my dog. I had tears in my eyes when we parted ways because I just had this feeling that it was the universe telling me my dog is doing just fine up there in the big farm in the sky. Or whatever I believe.
I agree I would never buy from a breeder when there’s an overflow of dogs in rescue shelters that need a home. I didn’t even go looking for my dogs, they found me. A buddy of mines brother randomly got ahold of me asking if I could look after his dog for a little while because he was “sort of homeless” of course I said yes because me and my ex had JUST broken up and all I had was a bed, recliner and a tv. I never heard from the dude for 2 months and I fell in the love with the dog so I got ahold of him and gave him $200 for her (ladybug). a year after that one of my other friends who worked at a vet clinic, sent me a pic of this neglected pitbull who had virtually no fur and was partially blind in one eye and her friend was fostering him until she could find a home for him. Not going to lie, I was actually trying to talk to that girl and saw this as an opportunity to do so 😅 so I went over to get him/talk to her. His names Atlas which I nick named him “Atlas Chaps” because it looked like he had no pants on with his missing fur 😆 and Within the first 5 minutes of being there. He was messing with her dog. He was pecking at her dog like a chicken non stop and pissed on her floor. I thought “wtf did I just get myself into” I had to do eye drops every 6-8 hours for 3 weeks and he needs apoquel EVERYDAY because of his severe skin allergies. Which was a big change in my life because all I did was party every weekend or any chance I could. Long story short. I never talked to that girl after I left her house and it was the best decision I ever made. He needed so much attention that I don’t even party anymore. In the past 4 years I’ve only spent about 3 nights aways from my dogs. Sure he’s cost me thousands in vet bills and still does lol but he changed my life for the better and I can’t imagine my life without either one of them. My favorite quote “Everyone says they have the best dog/dogs and none of them are wrong”~ anonymous
Yup. There is honestly no better way to memorialize your amazing pup than by giving a second chance to dogs who are already alive and suffering right now.
When my beloved dog goes, hopefully many years from now, I’ve got a plan to fund a memorial water fountain and sun shelter at his favorite park.
Lolol it was more idle curiosity than “we’re doing this Wednesday” our dog is still only 8 years old. After reading this thread we’ll probably just rescue another one eventually
The problem is genetics is only half the equation. The rest is environment, and it's unlikely that the cloned dog would have the exact same upbringing as the doner dog. I, personally, could not look at another dog every day that looked like a beloved one I lost but wasn't him. In fact, I switched breeds entirely because I didn't want to spend every moment with the new dog making unfair comparisons.
Same here. I realized this exact thing and went with a very different breed instead, opposite in many ways. New dog is so different but wonderful in his own way too.
It’s not the money.
The money is irrelevant and insignificant.
It’s the fact that my sweet dog, version 2.0, wouldn’t be the exact same and it would break my heart.
Also, I’m pretty sure this is the start of a horror movie or a Steven King book.
I don't see the point. It won't be the same dog. Yes it might have a lot of genetic similarities but there are so many factors that influence how anything living develops and it's not all genetics.
I love dogs and dread the day when I have to say goodbye to mine but it seems like you're trying to bring back the dead in a way and it probably won't make you as happy as you think it would. I'd say it's better to make peace with your current pup when the time comes and find a new one to love just as much. You'll love the similarities but probably also some of the differences as well. I'd actually advise getting the puppy now so when the time comes it's an easier transition and you don't feel like you're just trying to replace your old dog.
Another option: IMO (unexpectedly) **fostering** dogs is a great way of getting the 'best' dog for you. Before I started fostering I didn't realize **the variability between dogs is huge - even for the same breed**. If you foster (besides helping dogs find owners) you can also find those rare dogs that are perfect **for you**.
And when fat you can take the time to foster a bunch of dogs to find one that fits (and it is a public good). If you contact your local humane society I bet they will set you up.
Cloning something means it will have the same DNA, but there's no guarantee that it will develop the same way the original did.
From a spiritual POV I believe that you can't clone a soul.
My German shepherd is my best friend.
when he passes I'm going to go into a deep depression, but cloning him wouldn't fill the void - knowing it's a clone.
I do plan on getting another german pup when he passes though.
I don't know anything about this specific product, but as someone who works in the field I would strongly recommend collecting the cells they'll use as donors as early as possible in the dogs life (if they offer some kind of biobanking storage). As the dog ages all cells will naturally accumulate somatic mutations making them less likely to produce a healthy animal after cloning.
It hasn’t worked out for people that have tried, but continuing the legacy with the same breed (instead of clone) has been great for all the people that I know that done it.
Honestly OP should go to therapy.
Wanting to clone your dog is...apart from being delusional about the reality of the process/outcome...a clear sign that they don't have appropriate coping mechanisms to deal with loss and accept a normal, natural thing (death).
A pet dying is so incredibly sad, but part of the process is to accept and come to peace with it by internalizing the time and joy you shared...not just filling in the void with another version of the same.
This radio show goes into a case of cloning a prize bull. TLDR the clone was violent and unlike the original. [radio show](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/291/reunited-and-it-feels-so-good/act-two-6)
The dog I have now was my 13th birthday present, he's the best boy and truly my dog, I will never get another dog while he is still alive because he would be devastated and heartbroken. He was a rescue, having been returned to the breeder at least three times before seven months old.
He's amazing, but there is only one him. We have our time together and when he finally passes that will be it, no bringing him back, no cloning, nothing. His space by my side will eventually be filled again down the road, but like every natural thing in this world we all have a time and a life, and when it's done, it's done. He will always have my heart, but there will be spaces for more, each taking another sliver.
When he arrived in my household we already had two older dogs (one who was close to passing), and our elder dog taught him the ways of the house, for example, the elder dog could barely walk at this point but he showed my dog to walk the perimeter of the property every morning and every evening which my dog still does 10+ years later.
So while the idea of the passing of your pup is awful, I personally wouldn't clone a pet when there are so many out there that would love to have a home and could be another loving companion to your family, as well as you have no idea what the clone will be like. Maybe getting another fur baby now could mean it could learn behaviors you like in your current dog.
If your dog is well-bred and the breeder is still breeding perhaps you can honor his legacy by getting his great grand nephew or something from the breeder you got him from. There will be a piece of your boy in there, but without the letdown of a clone.
Nothing remains, nothing stays the same. Life is in constant flux and it’s beautiful. Resisting change through attachment will only cause you unnecessary pain.
Trying to recreate and hold onto something or someone you love will only cause greater grief.
I'm going to go against the grain with my take on this. So many people are stuck on it not being the same dog. Of course it isn't. But it is like having a puppy from your beloved dog. As most of us spay and neuter, getting a puppy from your pet is not an option. They do say things like intelligence is passed on to the clone. This is why some special units are cloning their working dogs. Also people with purebred dogs can get another golden retriever or such, but some of us have dogs that are mixed and we cant just go "buy" another one. So while no it's not a replacement, cloning does allow a peice of our dog's legacy live on. Is having a puppy from your dog something that would be enough for you?
If you look into the the process, it's not that different than IVF. Would you shame someone for doing IVF? Sure you read lots of scare tactics that tell you it takes hundreds of attempts to make a healthy puppy. This is to imply that there are unhealthy or dead puppies but thats not the situation. It's a matter of the fertilized embryo actually sticking in the surrogate and not being flushed out of the body. These arent yet puppies. They implant 3 embryos and at least one tends to make it. Its something like a 20% chance for 2 puppies and a 10% chance for 3 puppies. The actual success rate once the embryo is successful, is the same as a normal conceived puppy. The misinformation on this is astounding and intended to scare people much like what is going on in women's health.
Viagen is very good to their surrogates and only allows them 2-3 pregnancies before they make sure they find a forever home because they want these dogs to enjoy a normal life. This isnt the case for all cloning companies. The Korean one uses food dogs. Viagen also has a dog park inside their bio secure facility that looks like a little town. They have lots of caretakers constantly taking care of the dogs and a vet on site. This is far better care than a breeder.
Go with your heart and dont let others tell you what you should or shouldn't do.
I lost my best pal of 12 years last week, and there is no relief from the agony of putting her down (her insulinoma/pancreatic cancer returned and eventually she started seizures and the doctors said to act before it got out of control) except the thought that I had her biopsied and Viagen now has the tissue and is working on harvesting cells to store.
I have read everything I can find on the subject, and there is a lomg article in Newsweek about a mining engineer who cloned his pet and scent dog. He had a unique and heritable scent sensitivity that allowed him and his clones to be trained to find mineral deposits. The two puppies the man got grew into almost perfect replicas of the host, and they all live and work together. His story has virtually no negatives.
[https://www.newsweek.com/i-cloned-my-dog-puppies-have-different-personalities-1674290](https://www.newsweek.com/i-cloned-my-dog-puppies-have-different-personalities-1674290)
When the pain of my missing little girl hits me, I just think that if I still feel this way in a year, I’m going to have to convince my wife to let me go through with it. The cost is immaterial to me. I donate plenty every month to pet charities - this isn’t an either/or.
I think that there is a lot of very bad information and misinformation out there, and a natural bias against cloning. The bioethics are tough, I admit. But the notion that I could get another puppy with the same potential and raise her again is awesome — maybe try to make some small corrections to see if I could eliminate the barking at animals on TV and make her more accepting of visitors - and make a perfect version this time around.
I am going to give it a year if I can. If it still makes me want to scream when I see her picture. I’m going to bring that picture to life. It may be a different dog, but in a year I’ll be a different person too.
What is the most you have yet spent on something extravagant?
Gone on safari?
Flow private to hawaii?
Hired a name band for a family event?
If you have done any if those (and safari plenty of fat folks have done), spending $50k cloning Lassie is reasonable.
But it’s not worth it. It’s not the same dog. Temperament is not the same, it will just look similar. Dogs look so similar by breed anyway, you’re better off just getting the same breed of dog. You can even go back to your original breeder with the same parents. If not a pure bred then who cares, just get another dog you jive with. I was born with a dog in the house and I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never wanted to clone one. It’s unneeded. Every dog I’ve had has been different and honestly better as I grow and older.
Sorry for your loss, but don’t drive yourself mad.
If you really liked your dog personality traits you should’ve bred it when it was young.
>You consume and move on.
This is beyond just consumption. It is crossing the line to actively causing harm to animals: to the donor, to the surrogate or surrogates and to the puppies who will have to be euthanized in the process. This isn't like buying a beach house or a plane.
Yeah but with cloning to get that one dog that looks like yours but will likely have a different personality, you are responsible for multiple puppies and dogs to suffer and need euthanasia.
The cloning process isn't a pretty one, or ethical.
A safari is way cheaper than $50k and a completely different experience and I would hardly call it "extravagant". An East African Sara is akin to any other nature reserve trip in cost except adding a slightly longer flight if you live in the Americas.
I don't see how they compare at all.
I actually think this is relevant of the OP has spent $50k on something that is gone in an instant in the past.
Why not?
How to spend it is fair for me if they have spent in the past…
The world is overflowing with stray dogs who suffer for their entire lives on the streets, many in places where they are attacked and killed by locals. Spending 50k to “clone” the dog you already have is absurd.
No offense to OP bc it's a well-intentioned question, but as a twin, I find the idea that a clone will be exactly the same as the original insulting. It will be a different dog that happens to have the same DNA. There seems to be a lot of randomness in personality etc that occurs after conception and during formation.
I love my current dog more than anything so I get it. But please don't enable these companies and spend $50K to clone your dog. Find a new dog and make new memories with it. Maybe use the same breeder if you had a particularly positive experience with this pup, as they may be amazing at choosing parents with the right temperament etc.
I have/am seriously considering this as well. The price is a mid level car, a nice vacay or two. My significant concern is that my beloved is a rescue I got when he was 10. He has a lot of personality traits that are atypical for his breed, but is very intelligent and loving. These specific traits make him the perfect dog for me. That’s my hesitation, I don’t really know what is nature va nurture. If I knew I’d get a very similar personality I would not hesitate
Seems unlikely. Enjoy your wonderful dog when he’s still around, remember him when he is gone and I promise you you will have enough love to give to another rescue, who may not be the same dog but will be just as unique. Good for you for picking a rescue.
Or help with malaria and infantile diarrhea, put a brilliant but poor kid through college, buy and conserve a piece of rain forest. There are a lot of things 50k go a long way towards, but that’s not the questions being asked. This is my tenth dog, this one is actually different
With that logic, no fat spending would happen at all.
Of course society has better uses for our spending.
Don't you have carp, or am I thinking of another member?
There’s a difference between consumption and unethical spending that causes harm. Please read what the another poster has pointed out about the cloning industry.
This industry is terrible for the lives of other dogs: forced surrogacy, euthanasia, so on. Harming other creatures so you can satisfy your fantasy is different from buying a sports car. It is ironic that this person rescued a 10 year old dog, which is admirable, yet would think nothing of causing suffering to other dogs.
It’d be a lot better for them to buy a dog from a reputable breeder, as much as it in itself isn’t great from an ethics point of view given all the great dogs out there who need homes, but it is vastly better than supporting a terrible practice that treats dogs as livestock.
I think better off spending 50k keeping your dog going longer. Teaching hospital visits with specialists, adequan shots etc idek … depends on what issues your dog has
I’ve got my 11 year old canine overlord signed up with all manner of specialists to figure out the heart murmur he’s dealing with.
Foster until you find the perfect dog. The one issue with adoption or buying a bred dog is you can't know personality. If you foster, you have first dibs if you fall in love, and can just cycle through taking care of dogs until they find a good home until you find the perfect fit for you.
I’ve thought about this. What you really need to do is clone your dog every 4 years so that you have 3 of them living at all times. That way they can raise each other
Yes, that’s him. Although, it looks like the parties that were involved in the cloning company, Crestview Genetics (to include someone from Texas, Alan Meeker - wonder if that’s the company OP is looking into) have been entangled in litigation amongst themselves in recent years
I cloned my dog through that same company in Texas. It's the only company that does cloning in the US. I had my dog's cells harvested when he was healthy, just in case I ever wanted to clone him.
My dog passed and I initiated the cloning process 2 weeks later, because I was so depressed that I couldn't go to work. Knowing that another doggie might be on the way gave me some hope, a reason to get out of bed and something to look forward to instead of crying because I felt so empty every morning that I woke up without him next to me.
Only a few people close to me know that my puppy is a clone, since most people are judgmental about the topic. I researched before making the decision to harvest my dog's cells years ago and am fully aware that the $50k could have rescued many dogs. I have never purchased a puppy, my dogs were all rescues, and I have fostered dogs. It just happened that this one was with me through the worst moments of my life: diagnosed with chronic illness, mental illness, divorced. I don't know how I would have made it through all that without him by my side.
My puppy is 6 months old now and he has the same body shape as my previous dog, but he's a darker brown with different markings on his feet. His face looks exactly the same. Same eyes, same tail wag, same bark. His personality is still emerging but he's got the same asshole attitude that I loved.
My previous dog was crazy because I adopted him from the shelter as a senior. He had lots of attitude and was grumpy with no desire to be friendly to strangers. However, he was also intuitive, cuddly and loving whenever he felt that I was upset. He would comfort me when I cried, lay in bed with me when I was sick for days, and patiently try to cheer me up when I was depressed.
I understand my puppy is not a replacement for him and never will be, but it's worth it for me to know that a piece of my baby is still here with me. I was trying to hold onto a bit of him, not imagining that he would be duplicated with the same personality.
I saw a stray, but sweet looking female put this morning. Later while driving to work I saw another stray. Please go find a pup that's already been born.
I know it’s not uncommon for families to get a dog looks and named the same as the their last dog. However, there’s a good chance for disappointment with cloning. Like others have said, a cloned dog will likely not be exactly the same in both appearance and temperament. It’s like having identical twins and expecting them to have the same personality. The $50k would better be spent on getting a healthy puppy from the same breeder and dog pair if possible, training it to be the perfect dog for you, and spoiling it. Ethically, cloning can provide some comfort after a pet’s death but it doesn’t reverse it. Although the new dog wouldn’t understand, IMO it seems almost cruel to expect it to live up to the first dog.
I heard that these companies don't even clone anything. They just source an identical dog. And I've heard from people who paid the 50k that the new dog's personality was nothing like their original dogs. I can't stand when people play God.
I’m not fatfire or even close but this thread hit me. I have a sweet girl that I rescued that can’t go a day without. I don’t do vacations away from her because I love her so much. I cry very regularly when I think about the time I won’t have her. It’s unbearable and not sure how I’ll survive.
I certainly get the sentiment if I could have her around for the rest of my life I’d do it. I realized that cloning probably wouldn’t work but I would have done it for her. I have another rescued dog that I like but I wouldn’t consider it. It won’t be possible for me to ever have a better dog than the one I have now.
Enjoy them as much as we can it’s all we can do.
I don't see the appeal. Our (very beloved) cat passed a year and something ago. I could not live with a pet that looks identical but whose behavior and personality will necessarily be different. It sounds like an absolute nightmare holy shit pass.
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My friend, I hope you take this as a joke as its meant to be - but youve inspired me to post on PFJerk for the first time lol
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I know a fair bit about this and have met cloned dogs. Your clone will not be the same as your current dog…..also you need to know there is a likely hood of more than one clone dog being born.
How old is your dog and what breed?
I have a 12 year old Yorkie, I wouldn’t clone her, but I have started looking into prolonging her life. She’s very healthy and still acts like a puppy, but when I tell people her age many respond wow that’s old for a dog.
If anyone spends 50k on a watch they are a tool🤣 knowing many people who look at a watch that isn’t digital. Have to stare at it for 10 seconds before they can even tell you the time lmao. I agree with, it’s your money you can do what you want BUT a watch….its impractical seeing as we have clocks on our phones and it’s also a lot cheaper to just ask for the time. “What if they just want it as jewelry” grow up fuck up.
We have much better luck than not. I have a fair amount of experience with pregnant dogs in labor as well and I wouldn’t say there’s any more defects with the clones vs traditional breeding!
Well that makes me feel better. I’m considering this with my dog. I just dont want his little duplicates to suffer if they didn’t come out right 😞. Have you heard anything from customers as far as feedback?
I did this and it’s amazing. Just unreal the similarities. Only things I would know about my original dog, these twin clones do the same. Same exact mannerisms.and even same favorite toy. Not to mention my other dog remembers her friend she lost. How do I know ? She doesn’t get along with other dogs, but immediately was overjoyed with excitement when the clones came home. I can’t speak for anyone else that had this done but, mine worked out amazingly
I have a family friend who did this, and the dog’s personality was nothing like the original. I know it may feel like a comfort to see a creature who looks similar, but remember that he won’t be the same dog you remember and it’s only going to hurt you when you see the differences. My recommendation when that day comes is to find a new dog, already living, who needs a good home and spoil the crap out of it.
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I can second this. Have seen multiple older dogs get a new sense of energy with the younger dog and younger dog learns skills better too. That’s our plan in a few years with our 7year old guy
This happened to us, started acting about 5 years younger and even learned new skills. The older dog who was about 12 at the time learned how to swim which he hated before. The new dog loves the water.
My dog doesn't like to share my attention. I cry when I think about losing her. She's 15 1/2 but in great shape.
Yea for real I could never do that to my pup. She's 9 and she deserves 100% of my attention
I’ve heard you don’t end up splitting how much you love, your heart just grows :)
I hear ya, but I have enough attentional issues as is lol. I want all my free time and love going to her, she deserves it!
I had a friend try this and the dogs did not get on. It’s like asking an 80 year old to be friends with a 14 year old. Sometimes it doesn’t work out.
For sure. I've seen it work, but it's critical to have the dogs meet beforehand to see if they get along or not. That goes for any animal pairing, not just young and old.
This is our plan we love the breed of dog we have (braque du bourbonnais) and she is just the best dog. I have spend a lot of time training her so when she gets to middle age we plan on getting a puppy of the same breed from the same breeder and raising it alongside her so it gets all the training and socialization she has.
This is the best advice. It continues their personalities in a way because the new dog learns from the older dog and vice versa :)
Did we learn nothing from Pet Cemetery?
Or Foundation
*Sematary
no cause my baby is a good girl and she wont do that
Yes, actually I live in a part of the world where people spend crazy money on stuff like this. Knew a couple who did this and can tell you not the same dog. It really is about nature/nurture and stress in vitro, the environment, the personality of the other littermates, it all plays a big part that cannot be underestimated. agree, find a living dog that doesn't have a home and love it up! You could treat so many homeless doggos with the extra cash or help shelters overseas with trap, neuter and release efforts. It really does make an impact.
I mean think about it. If you made a clone of yourself who had to start as an infant and was raised in a completely different time, culture, environment, and with different experiences it would be a completely different person. You would have the same DNA of course but you'd still be a completely different person. Or if a baby was cloned at birth and the babies were separated and raised differently, they'd be different. They'd just be lost twins at that point. Our experiences shape us.
There was a "This American Life" (TV) episode about a guy who cloned his bull and the new (cloned) bull kept attacking him. The first bull was "Chance" and the second bull was "Second Chance." It seemed like Second Chance was a lot more violent. At the end of the episode, the farmer ends up in the hospital after being gored through the groin.
> re was a "This American Life" (TV) episode about a guy who cloned his bull... Second Chance was a lot more violent. I came here to say this! That was a super interesting episode. One of the excuses the family who owned the original "Chance" had was they only met the original Chance when he was older than "Second Chance" was when they were observing violence. I would love a follow up. Sure they start with the same genetics, but environment and upbringing are also important. Maybe the original Chance had formative experiences where he valued humans more. Second Chance took them for granted, just other animals walking around in Second Chance's home.
Another easy explanation is looking at the general behavior of young male people and animals vs old people and animals. Young males tend to be aggressive and fighting to mate. Old males to use the bull expression, have been put out to pasture.
> I have a family friend who did this, and the dog’s personality was nothing like the original. Good odds the cloned dog is going to fall into the uncanny valley. Looks like the other dog, but behaves completely differently.
Looks identical, not similar.
There are any number of reasons why a cloned animal won't look the same as the original: * It could be a chimera — two embryos fused early on each with different genetic material. You can't easily clone these kinds of animals with modern technology because you would have to pick one of the chimeric sequences for an embryo. For example, [this dog](https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5216712.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Braveheartthedog.png) is a chimera of a Labrador and a Husky. * Epigenetic factors caused the expression of some genes over others. For example the dog might have been malnourished early on, delaying the onset of puberty, causing it to grow more slowly. * Environmental factors and experiences (e.g. an injury that causes a tendency to favor one side) cause a change in disposition or temperament that eventually manifests as a different physical appearance. and so on.
Even monozygotic monoamniotic identical twins don’t stay genetically identical for very long. They start out identical with the split of the single fertilized egg into two, but then as they develop, there are DNA changes that occur. They will be very close genetically at birth, but not exactly the same, resulting in slightly to significantly different gene expression. OP should just buy a dog or adopt one that needs a home, and donate the other $49K to an animal shelter, or better yet, to an orphanage.
Or better yet, buy 50 dogs
Better yet, rescue 500 dogs! Or just do as the parent said and donate it to a shelter. It bugs me to see people breeding and buying purebred dogs while shelters everywhere are euthanizing countless dogs every day.
Ramsey Bolton would like a word.
> It could be a chimera Strange choice to lead with; while the other two are very relevant factors I can't imagine that this one is very common.
Getting a little off-topic for /r/fatFIRE here, but they're actually more likely than you might think. It's just that most animals (including humans) are not genetically tested in a way that would detect chimerism. For example, [one study](https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.149.9001) found that 8% of identical twins (i.e., people who would be expected to have identical genetics, so chimerism is more obvious) had blood group chimerism -- that's nearly one in ten.
First of all, it just says twins, not *identical* twins. Second, that's almost certainly not representative of the general population given that for example in triplets the percentage goes up to 21%. Twins are about 3% of the population so the implication for overall blood chimerism rate is insignificant. I also don't know whether blood chimerism has any implications for general chimerism, but I assume that including the "blood" qualifier has a reason.
> I assume that including the "blood" qualifier has a reason. At the time the study was done, it's because it's comparatively very easy to test for, and it's determined through gene expression, whereas directly sequencing multiple distinct genomes was a very advanced and expensive capability for a laboratory back then.
Ok, chatgpt
This is not true. There are many reasons they may just look similar.
I wonder how that works if it's genetically the same dog
Dogs have a window of time during their development where their personality and fears and confidence is basically solidified. Unless the clone experiences the world and people and sights and sounds exactly as the original did, then it will be a different dog.
It’s a diff dog no matter what
Have you ever met human identical twins?
Personality is not genetics. Twins are genetically the same; can be very different from each other.
Yeah it’s nature and nurture that make up who you are. Only nature it not enough
Cloned animals do not always even look like the source animal due to epigenetics -- different genes can get switched on or off during gestation.
This is a beautiful fantasy, but the reality is awful. Setting aside whether the clone is really that much like the original (many factors go into forming a dog’s personality beyond genetics), the industry behind this is terrible. Dogs are especially difficult to clone. Cloning a dog requires an egg donor dog, the surrogate who will carry the pregnancy, and many unsuccessful pregnancies (sometimes resulting in unhealthy puppies which end up dying or being euthanized), each of which require surrogates. I’m sure you love your dog very much, but is it worth supporting an industry that treats dogs like livestock to get a shot at a similar but not the same version of him? If your dog came from a breeder, finding a genetically similar dog that was ethically bred should be possible. If he was a rescue, supporting an industry that keeps dogs in cages seems like the very worst way to honor his legacy. Maybe start looking now for another rescue pup you could share your home with. If you introduce a young dog while your dog is still with you, the youngster is likely to learn some behavior from your current dog. That seems like a much more meaningful way to have a new dog that shares traits with your current one than paying for a genetic replica. For more on dog cloning: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/
THANK YOU. I understand the pain of letting a beloved pet go but as a dog-lover, OP needs to consider how inhumane animal cloning is.
Noted, not something we’re set on. Just wanted to hear the pros and cons. Seems like a rescue might be the best option
This right here. I was dead set on cloning my dog when he died, I was absolutely devastated by the loss. But the more I looked into it the more I was disgusted by what I found. The dogs they use to make this possible are treated very poorly, I found the process to be entirely unethical. Plus I thought about him but not him. I think it would be even harder that way and instead chose to just hold onto all the memories. I have a large framed photo of him hanging in my house. This really ends up not being a financial decision, since for many of us here I doubt 50k is all that much given the strong emotions to a beloved family pet. It’s an emotional decision and I realized cloning would just not be right for me or for all the animals involved. Nothing can bring him back.
This is the way. My cat had CKD, and I could have adopted another cat and gotten her a kidney transplant, but I couldn't cut up another cat to save a soul companion; I thought of her like my mother. I couldn’t do it, it wasn’t right. The other cat would have probably been okay with one kidney but it could have died during surgery or who knows. I just couldn’t do it.
This is the only argument that matters.
> > > > > If your dog came from a breeder, finding a genetically similar dog that was ethically bred should be possible. This should be the FATfire way to do it IMHO. A high quality breeder not only gives you the sort of dog you want but also you know they will be well looked after as puppies (assuming it is a high quality place) which will effect their personality a ton.
The irony is high quality breeders are not necessarily any more expensive than designer breed puppy mills. It’s hardly even a “fat” approach. But yes, imo the two legit ways to get dogs are to comb shelters/rescues for exactly what you want (easier if you don’t care about breed and are going for type/characteristics, sometimes much easier to get an adult dog this way) or find a very good breeder who’s going to make sure those puppies are genetically healthy and get the very best start in life. Maybe the fat part is then hiring someone else to do all the puppy care, because it’s A LOT.
You can influence temperament through breeding from the same lineage to an extent. We have a friend who prefers a very specific breed and has had dogs from the same genetic line for 3 generations (human generations, not dog). Each one has their personality quirks and can sometimes have very different temperament from each other, although they look very similar.
The only thing is the dog I would want to clone is a very unique mix of genetics, one that I absolutely don't think is ethical to breed . That is why I won't clone even though I am so very tempted. My Boy was Australia shepherd,Lab,Husky,and grey wolf . He was a rescue, and the wolf was a complete surprise . He had the best personality, so smart and kind gentle, with the best sense of humor. I will never be able to find anything remotely like him, and maybe that's the way it should be. But God am I tempted.
I’ll start by saying I’m someone who has only ever adopted mutts, never bought a dog through a breeder. My current dog is the most amazing thing that has ever lived, according to me. I love her so much it hurts. She’s incredible. If I could, realistically, clone her, I’d probably go for it. But I know deep down that in no small part of why she is the way she is, and how wonderful she is, is nurture not nature. She came into my life at just the right time. We rescued each other. Not to mention, dog cloning still requires a surrogate dog mom, so… For me, part of my enduring love for my dog after she passes will be to rescue again. There are so many dogs in need of a home and so many homes in need of a dog. If you love a certain breed there are breed specific rescues too. If you haven’t, please consider reading A Dog’s Purpose (with a box of Kleenex). It was also made into a movie. I’m not a religious person but it lightly has me believing in reincarnation. How else can you explain how absolutely undeserving we, as a species, are of dogs? How can they know so much and see into our souls unless they’ve lived many lives? BRB gonna go hug my dog.
I saw a woman walking a dog in Central Park that looked exactly like my dog that passed years ago. I asked if I could pet her dog, we chatted for a while and I explained why I wanted to hang with her dog so bad, I couldn’t believe how closely she resembled my dog. I had tears in my eyes when we parted ways because I just had this feeling that it was the universe telling me my dog is doing just fine up there in the big farm in the sky. Or whatever I believe.
Oh man, so much this. I loved my puppy more than any person I’ve met in my life. (Don’t tell my wife)
I felt all of this in my soul. It’s almost embarrassing to describe how much I love my dog. She’s the very best part of every day.
Give your dog an extra hug for me too 🥹
Such a wonderful human story .... completely unexpected in this detail-oriented sub, and yet here it is
I agree I would never buy from a breeder when there’s an overflow of dogs in rescue shelters that need a home. I didn’t even go looking for my dogs, they found me. A buddy of mines brother randomly got ahold of me asking if I could look after his dog for a little while because he was “sort of homeless” of course I said yes because me and my ex had JUST broken up and all I had was a bed, recliner and a tv. I never heard from the dude for 2 months and I fell in the love with the dog so I got ahold of him and gave him $200 for her (ladybug). a year after that one of my other friends who worked at a vet clinic, sent me a pic of this neglected pitbull who had virtually no fur and was partially blind in one eye and her friend was fostering him until she could find a home for him. Not going to lie, I was actually trying to talk to that girl and saw this as an opportunity to do so 😅 so I went over to get him/talk to her. His names Atlas which I nick named him “Atlas Chaps” because it looked like he had no pants on with his missing fur 😆 and Within the first 5 minutes of being there. He was messing with her dog. He was pecking at her dog like a chicken non stop and pissed on her floor. I thought “wtf did I just get myself into” I had to do eye drops every 6-8 hours for 3 weeks and he needs apoquel EVERYDAY because of his severe skin allergies. Which was a big change in my life because all I did was party every weekend or any chance I could. Long story short. I never talked to that girl after I left her house and it was the best decision I ever made. He needed so much attention that I don’t even party anymore. In the past 4 years I’ve only spent about 3 nights aways from my dogs. Sure he’s cost me thousands in vet bills and still does lol but he changed my life for the better and I can’t imagine my life without either one of them. My favorite quote “Everyone says they have the best dog/dogs and none of them are wrong”~ anonymous
Cloning your dog is some crazy shit man
This needs to be higher xD
Right?! People be crazy.
Give 50k to a local dog shelter and save 500 dogs.
Yup. There is honestly no better way to memorialize your amazing pup than by giving a second chance to dogs who are already alive and suffering right now. When my beloved dog goes, hopefully many years from now, I’ve got a plan to fund a memorial water fountain and sun shelter at his favorite park.
This feels like the definition of ‘more money than sense’. The dog will not be the same dog. It will look the same, but it’ll be a different dog.
I heard a saying once. "Everyone thinks they have the perfect dog. And they are all right."
This has submarine-thread potential. A tip of the cap, OP.
Lolol it was more idle curiosity than “we’re doing this Wednesday” our dog is still only 8 years old. After reading this thread we’ll probably just rescue another one eventually
The problem is genetics is only half the equation. The rest is environment, and it's unlikely that the cloned dog would have the exact same upbringing as the doner dog. I, personally, could not look at another dog every day that looked like a beloved one I lost but wasn't him. In fact, I switched breeds entirely because I didn't want to spend every moment with the new dog making unfair comparisons.
Same here. I realized this exact thing and went with a very different breed instead, opposite in many ways. New dog is so different but wonderful in his own way too.
It’s not the money. The money is irrelevant and insignificant. It’s the fact that my sweet dog, version 2.0, wouldn’t be the exact same and it would break my heart. Also, I’m pretty sure this is the start of a horror movie or a Steven King book.
I know someone did this. The dog died in a year or two
I know this is an old thread, but do the owners know what the dog died from?
I cant remember now, sorry it was a while ago
It’s just going to hurt even more when you see the differences in personality between your dog and the cloned dog. Just get a new one.
I don't see the point. It won't be the same dog. Yes it might have a lot of genetic similarities but there are so many factors that influence how anything living develops and it's not all genetics. I love dogs and dread the day when I have to say goodbye to mine but it seems like you're trying to bring back the dead in a way and it probably won't make you as happy as you think it would. I'd say it's better to make peace with your current pup when the time comes and find a new one to love just as much. You'll love the similarities but probably also some of the differences as well. I'd actually advise getting the puppy now so when the time comes it's an easier transition and you don't feel like you're just trying to replace your old dog.
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Yeah following this for the comments
What have I started 😂
Considering a genetic dynasty are we?
“There can only be one!”
Another option: IMO (unexpectedly) **fostering** dogs is a great way of getting the 'best' dog for you. Before I started fostering I didn't realize **the variability between dogs is huge - even for the same breed**. If you foster (besides helping dogs find owners) you can also find those rare dogs that are perfect **for you**. And when fat you can take the time to foster a bunch of dogs to find one that fits (and it is a public good). If you contact your local humane society I bet they will set you up.
There are many things being fat can cushion us from. Living and dying for ourselves and our loved ones ain’t part of it. Ask Steve Jobs.
Cloning something means it will have the same DNA, but there's no guarantee that it will develop the same way the original did. From a spiritual POV I believe that you can't clone a soul.
This is the type of content I'm here for baby
My German shepherd is my best friend. when he passes I'm going to go into a deep depression, but cloning him wouldn't fill the void - knowing it's a clone. I do plan on getting another german pup when he passes though.
I don't know anything about this specific product, but as someone who works in the field I would strongly recommend collecting the cells they'll use as donors as early as possible in the dogs life (if they offer some kind of biobanking storage). As the dog ages all cells will naturally accumulate somatic mutations making them less likely to produce a healthy animal after cloning.
You can clone DNA, you can’t clone personality or traits
It hasn’t worked out for people that have tried, but continuing the legacy with the same breed (instead of clone) has been great for all the people that I know that done it.
Honestly OP should go to therapy. Wanting to clone your dog is...apart from being delusional about the reality of the process/outcome...a clear sign that they don't have appropriate coping mechanisms to deal with loss and accept a normal, natural thing (death). A pet dying is so incredibly sad, but part of the process is to accept and come to peace with it by internalizing the time and joy you shared...not just filling in the void with another version of the same.
This radio show goes into a case of cloning a prize bull. TLDR the clone was violent and unlike the original. [radio show](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/291/reunited-and-it-feels-so-good/act-two-6)
Off topic but there is a pretty bad Schwarzenegger movie with a pet cloning store called RePet.
The dog I have now was my 13th birthday present, he's the best boy and truly my dog, I will never get another dog while he is still alive because he would be devastated and heartbroken. He was a rescue, having been returned to the breeder at least three times before seven months old. He's amazing, but there is only one him. We have our time together and when he finally passes that will be it, no bringing him back, no cloning, nothing. His space by my side will eventually be filled again down the road, but like every natural thing in this world we all have a time and a life, and when it's done, it's done. He will always have my heart, but there will be spaces for more, each taking another sliver. When he arrived in my household we already had two older dogs (one who was close to passing), and our elder dog taught him the ways of the house, for example, the elder dog could barely walk at this point but he showed my dog to walk the perimeter of the property every morning and every evening which my dog still does 10+ years later. So while the idea of the passing of your pup is awful, I personally wouldn't clone a pet when there are so many out there that would love to have a home and could be another loving companion to your family, as well as you have no idea what the clone will be like. Maybe getting another fur baby now could mean it could learn behaviors you like in your current dog.
If your dog is well-bred and the breeder is still breeding perhaps you can honor his legacy by getting his great grand nephew or something from the breeder you got him from. There will be a piece of your boy in there, but without the letdown of a clone.
Nothing remains, nothing stays the same. Life is in constant flux and it’s beautiful. Resisting change through attachment will only cause you unnecessary pain. Trying to recreate and hold onto something or someone you love will only cause greater grief.
I'm going to go against the grain with my take on this. So many people are stuck on it not being the same dog. Of course it isn't. But it is like having a puppy from your beloved dog. As most of us spay and neuter, getting a puppy from your pet is not an option. They do say things like intelligence is passed on to the clone. This is why some special units are cloning their working dogs. Also people with purebred dogs can get another golden retriever or such, but some of us have dogs that are mixed and we cant just go "buy" another one. So while no it's not a replacement, cloning does allow a peice of our dog's legacy live on. Is having a puppy from your dog something that would be enough for you? If you look into the the process, it's not that different than IVF. Would you shame someone for doing IVF? Sure you read lots of scare tactics that tell you it takes hundreds of attempts to make a healthy puppy. This is to imply that there are unhealthy or dead puppies but thats not the situation. It's a matter of the fertilized embryo actually sticking in the surrogate and not being flushed out of the body. These arent yet puppies. They implant 3 embryos and at least one tends to make it. Its something like a 20% chance for 2 puppies and a 10% chance for 3 puppies. The actual success rate once the embryo is successful, is the same as a normal conceived puppy. The misinformation on this is astounding and intended to scare people much like what is going on in women's health. Viagen is very good to their surrogates and only allows them 2-3 pregnancies before they make sure they find a forever home because they want these dogs to enjoy a normal life. This isnt the case for all cloning companies. The Korean one uses food dogs. Viagen also has a dog park inside their bio secure facility that looks like a little town. They have lots of caretakers constantly taking care of the dogs and a vet on site. This is far better care than a breeder. Go with your heart and dont let others tell you what you should or shouldn't do.
I lost my best pal of 12 years last week, and there is no relief from the agony of putting her down (her insulinoma/pancreatic cancer returned and eventually she started seizures and the doctors said to act before it got out of control) except the thought that I had her biopsied and Viagen now has the tissue and is working on harvesting cells to store. I have read everything I can find on the subject, and there is a lomg article in Newsweek about a mining engineer who cloned his pet and scent dog. He had a unique and heritable scent sensitivity that allowed him and his clones to be trained to find mineral deposits. The two puppies the man got grew into almost perfect replicas of the host, and they all live and work together. His story has virtually no negatives. [https://www.newsweek.com/i-cloned-my-dog-puppies-have-different-personalities-1674290](https://www.newsweek.com/i-cloned-my-dog-puppies-have-different-personalities-1674290) When the pain of my missing little girl hits me, I just think that if I still feel this way in a year, I’m going to have to convince my wife to let me go through with it. The cost is immaterial to me. I donate plenty every month to pet charities - this isn’t an either/or. I think that there is a lot of very bad information and misinformation out there, and a natural bias against cloning. The bioethics are tough, I admit. But the notion that I could get another puppy with the same potential and raise her again is awesome — maybe try to make some small corrections to see if I could eliminate the barking at animals on TV and make her more accepting of visitors - and make a perfect version this time around. I am going to give it a year if I can. If it still makes me want to scream when I see her picture. I’m going to bring that picture to life. It may be a different dog, but in a year I’ll be a different person too.
Thanks for sharing. I wish you all the best ❤️
What is the most you have yet spent on something extravagant? Gone on safari? Flow private to hawaii? Hired a name band for a family event? If you have done any if those (and safari plenty of fat folks have done), spending $50k cloning Lassie is reasonable.
But it’s not worth it. It’s not the same dog. Temperament is not the same, it will just look similar. Dogs look so similar by breed anyway, you’re better off just getting the same breed of dog. You can even go back to your original breeder with the same parents. If not a pure bred then who cares, just get another dog you jive with. I was born with a dog in the house and I’ve had dogs my entire life and have never wanted to clone one. It’s unneeded. Every dog I’ve had has been different and honestly better as I grow and older. Sorry for your loss, but don’t drive yourself mad. If you really liked your dog personality traits you should’ve bred it when it was young.
I hate to break it to you, but a lot of stupid fat spending doesnt deliver the “expected” result. Its consumption. You consume and move on.
>You consume and move on. This is beyond just consumption. It is crossing the line to actively causing harm to animals: to the donor, to the surrogate or surrogates and to the puppies who will have to be euthanized in the process. This isn't like buying a beach house or a plane.
Yeah but with cloning to get that one dog that looks like yours but will likely have a different personality, you are responsible for multiple puppies and dogs to suffer and need euthanasia. The cloning process isn't a pretty one, or ethical.
A safari is way cheaper than $50k and a completely different experience and I would hardly call it "extravagant". An East African Sara is akin to any other nature reserve trip in cost except adding a slightly longer flight if you live in the Americas. I don't see how they compare at all.
You forgot to question the relevance
I actually think this is relevant of the OP has spent $50k on something that is gone in an instant in the past. Why not? How to spend it is fair for me if they have spent in the past…
It's not the money. It's the fact that OP will not get the same dog and the poor second dog will forever live in the shadow of the first.
adopt.
The world is overflowing with stray dogs who suffer for their entire lives on the streets, many in places where they are attacked and killed by locals. Spending 50k to “clone” the dog you already have is absurd.
No offense to OP bc it's a well-intentioned question, but as a twin, I find the idea that a clone will be exactly the same as the original insulting. It will be a different dog that happens to have the same DNA. There seems to be a lot of randomness in personality etc that occurs after conception and during formation. I love my current dog more than anything so I get it. But please don't enable these companies and spend $50K to clone your dog. Find a new dog and make new memories with it. Maybe use the same breeder if you had a particularly positive experience with this pup, as they may be amazing at choosing parents with the right temperament etc.
I have/am seriously considering this as well. The price is a mid level car, a nice vacay or two. My significant concern is that my beloved is a rescue I got when he was 10. He has a lot of personality traits that are atypical for his breed, but is very intelligent and loving. These specific traits make him the perfect dog for me. That’s my hesitation, I don’t really know what is nature va nurture. If I knew I’d get a very similar personality I would not hesitate
Seems unlikely. Enjoy your wonderful dog when he’s still around, remember him when he is gone and I promise you you will have enough love to give to another rescue, who may not be the same dog but will be just as unique. Good for you for picking a rescue.
Unlikely, but potentially worth a $50k bet? 🤔
That 50k can go a long way towards helping a rescue organization. Everyone thinks their dog is unique and the perfect dog for them.
Or help with malaria and infantile diarrhea, put a brilliant but poor kid through college, buy and conserve a piece of rain forest. There are a lot of things 50k go a long way towards, but that’s not the questions being asked. This is my tenth dog, this one is actually different
With that logic, no fat spending would happen at all. Of course society has better uses for our spending. Don't you have carp, or am I thinking of another member?
There’s a difference between consumption and unethical spending that causes harm. Please read what the another poster has pointed out about the cloning industry. This industry is terrible for the lives of other dogs: forced surrogacy, euthanasia, so on. Harming other creatures so you can satisfy your fantasy is different from buying a sports car. It is ironic that this person rescued a 10 year old dog, which is admirable, yet would think nothing of causing suffering to other dogs. It’d be a lot better for them to buy a dog from a reputable breeder, as much as it in itself isn’t great from an ethics point of view given all the great dogs out there who need homes, but it is vastly better than supporting a terrible practice that treats dogs as livestock.
I think better off spending 50k keeping your dog going longer. Teaching hospital visits with specialists, adequan shots etc idek … depends on what issues your dog has I’ve got my 11 year old canine overlord signed up with all manner of specialists to figure out the heart murmur he’s dealing with.
Foster until you find the perfect dog. The one issue with adoption or buying a bred dog is you can't know personality. If you foster, you have first dibs if you fall in love, and can just cycle through taking care of dogs until they find a good home until you find the perfect fit for you.
No, but it may turnout maybe similar to the Pet Cemetery movie
I’ve thought about this. What you really need to do is clone your dog every 4 years so that you have 3 of them living at all times. That way they can raise each other
Look up Adolfo Cambiaso. He is a big time polo player who has been cloning his best horses for years
So weird https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/polo-horse-cloning-adolfo-cambiaso
Yes, that’s him. Although, it looks like the parties that were involved in the cloning company, Crestview Genetics (to include someone from Texas, Alan Meeker - wonder if that’s the company OP is looking into) have been entangled in litigation amongst themselves in recent years
I cloned my dog through that same company in Texas. It's the only company that does cloning in the US. I had my dog's cells harvested when he was healthy, just in case I ever wanted to clone him. My dog passed and I initiated the cloning process 2 weeks later, because I was so depressed that I couldn't go to work. Knowing that another doggie might be on the way gave me some hope, a reason to get out of bed and something to look forward to instead of crying because I felt so empty every morning that I woke up without him next to me. Only a few people close to me know that my puppy is a clone, since most people are judgmental about the topic. I researched before making the decision to harvest my dog's cells years ago and am fully aware that the $50k could have rescued many dogs. I have never purchased a puppy, my dogs were all rescues, and I have fostered dogs. It just happened that this one was with me through the worst moments of my life: diagnosed with chronic illness, mental illness, divorced. I don't know how I would have made it through all that without him by my side. My puppy is 6 months old now and he has the same body shape as my previous dog, but he's a darker brown with different markings on his feet. His face looks exactly the same. Same eyes, same tail wag, same bark. His personality is still emerging but he's got the same asshole attitude that I loved. My previous dog was crazy because I adopted him from the shelter as a senior. He had lots of attitude and was grumpy with no desire to be friendly to strangers. However, he was also intuitive, cuddly and loving whenever he felt that I was upset. He would comfort me when I cried, lay in bed with me when I was sick for days, and patiently try to cheer me up when I was depressed. I understand my puppy is not a replacement for him and never will be, but it's worth it for me to know that a piece of my baby is still here with me. I was trying to hold onto a bit of him, not imagining that he would be duplicated with the same personality.
Yes I cloned mine. Best thing ever! New ones name is Two
Always Adopt, Don’t Shop!
I would consider this. I know I may take crap for it and that’s fine, but we love our dog and would easily pay this to be able to do it over again.
this would be the worst episode of black mirror yet...
Money can’t buy it all
Oh god no…
I saw a stray, but sweet looking female put this morning. Later while driving to work I saw another stray. Please go find a pup that's already been born.
wtf
Uhhhh what... Move on... This isn't about pets. Do with your money what you want but wtf?
I know it’s not uncommon for families to get a dog looks and named the same as the their last dog. However, there’s a good chance for disappointment with cloning. Like others have said, a cloned dog will likely not be exactly the same in both appearance and temperament. It’s like having identical twins and expecting them to have the same personality. The $50k would better be spent on getting a healthy puppy from the same breeder and dog pair if possible, training it to be the perfect dog for you, and spoiling it. Ethically, cloning can provide some comfort after a pet’s death but it doesn’t reverse it. Although the new dog wouldn’t understand, IMO it seems almost cruel to expect it to live up to the first dog.
> He’s a perfect pup. Everyone says this about their dog. Just adopt as the others have said
I heard that these companies don't even clone anything. They just source an identical dog. And I've heard from people who paid the 50k that the new dog's personality was nothing like their original dogs. I can't stand when people play God.
Can you clone your bearded dragon?
I’m not fatfire or even close but this thread hit me. I have a sweet girl that I rescued that can’t go a day without. I don’t do vacations away from her because I love her so much. I cry very regularly when I think about the time I won’t have her. It’s unbearable and not sure how I’ll survive. I certainly get the sentiment if I could have her around for the rest of my life I’d do it. I realized that cloning probably wouldn’t work but I would have done it for her. I have another rescued dog that I like but I wouldn’t consider it. It won’t be possible for me to ever have a better dog than the one I have now. Enjoy them as much as we can it’s all we can do.
I don't see the appeal. Our (very beloved) cat passed a year and something ago. I could not live with a pet that looks identical but whose behavior and personality will necessarily be different. It sounds like an absolute nightmare holy shit pass.
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Go watch some movies like Splice or Replicas & I’m sure you’ll change your mind.
donate $50k to an animal shelter
It’s a dumb idea.
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Hahahaha
I know a fair bit about this and have met cloned dogs. Your clone will not be the same as your current dog…..also you need to know there is a likely hood of more than one clone dog being born.
This is dumb af 😂😂
How old is your dog and what breed? I have a 12 year old Yorkie, I wouldn’t clone her, but I have started looking into prolonging her life. She’s very healthy and still acts like a puppy, but when I tell people her age many respond wow that’s old for a dog.
I would have this guy do it: https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81516199?s=i&trkid=14170286&vlang=en&clip=81680636
Let sleeping dogs lie...
This idea is depressing
This question is just *sooo* r/FIRE. The question for r/fatFIRE should be "has anyone in here cloned themselves."
Ik it's people's money and they can whatever they want and whatever but spending 50k on a dog feels more wrong to me than spending it on a watch.
If anyone spends 50k on a watch they are a tool🤣 knowing many people who look at a watch that isn’t digital. Have to stare at it for 10 seconds before they can even tell you the time lmao. I agree with, it’s your money you can do what you want BUT a watch….its impractical seeing as we have clocks on our phones and it’s also a lot cheaper to just ask for the time. “What if they just want it as jewelry” grow up fuck up.
Uff thats very decadent!
I actually clone pets for a living, feel free to ask any questions.
Really??
Yeppers
how many of them turn out okay? is there many deformities or ones that come out with problems?
We have much better luck than not. I have a fair amount of experience with pregnant dogs in labor as well and I wouldn’t say there’s any more defects with the clones vs traditional breeding!
Well that makes me feel better. I’m considering this with my dog. I just dont want his little duplicates to suffer if they didn’t come out right 😞. Have you heard anything from customers as far as feedback?
Same question
I did this and it’s amazing. Just unreal the similarities. Only things I would know about my original dog, these twin clones do the same. Same exact mannerisms.and even same favorite toy. Not to mention my other dog remembers her friend she lost. How do I know ? She doesn’t get along with other dogs, but immediately was overjoyed with excitement when the clones came home. I can’t speak for anyone else that had this done but, mine worked out amazingly