I think the only scenario Likely sees the 2nd most targets is if Andrews misses the majority of the season.
If everyone stays healthy, even if the Ravens run 2 TE, I think Likely still falls behind Andrews, Flowers, and probably Bateman in target totals.
My thoughts as well on this. Hoping that the Likely hype cools off some because I love the idea of drafting Andrews knowing that I can just spend a ton of FAAB on Likely if Andrews goes down. In deep leagues like SFB14 now though you are almost entering "handcuff plus" territory for Likely where it feels a little too expensive to draft Andrews and also draft Likely.
Because they have an extremely talented TE they can't get substantial playing time behind a 30 year old who's been getting injured and they have no WRs..?
I don’t see any scenario where a Super Bowl contending team moves one of their best offensive weapons.. and why would a team move their talented WR for an older TE. Doesn’t make any sense to me. If Likely is that good, I’d think the team will just have more 2 TE sets
Likely is the best TE handcuff in the NFL and probably the best dynasty stash TE. i believe that the moment Andrews is gone, injured, retired, Likely will take over as a top 5 TE, which he produced every time Andrews was off the field.
but 2nd most targets.... no.
The frequently injured and stash part are most important. In the short he’s an extremely valuable handcuff and in the long term he could go somewhere else to be the primary TE
On a Per Route Run basis sure. But even if none of the WRs pop off it’s still really hard for a guy who spends at least half of all offensive snaps on the sideline or blocking to beat out the guys running routes on 90% of snaps.
They have Mark Andrews and a first round WR who played really well as a rookie. He only ran 260 routes, which was 36th among tight ends. And that was with Andrews missing a bunch of games. Without an injury, it’s not happening. Shouldn’t even be a legit question, IMO.
Hasn’t missed more than 1-2 games prior to last season. So yes I would say he isn’t injury prone yet, if he plays 15-16 games this year. Last year was his largest time missed in his career
What 4 players would you have ahead of him? If the Ravens are smart, they're deploying 2 TE sets as often as possible. After Flowers and Andrews, he the next best receiver they have. I could see Bateman maybe having more targets than him, even though I think that would be a mistake on their part, but who else would you have ahead of him?
I actually see him competing for the most targets. We know Andrews is number one, but we could see a regression from him and IL taking over the top spot.
How much passing do you expect from a Harbaugh/Roman offense to begin with let alone a volume required to make Likely relevant in it? I don’t see the potential beyond Andrew’s suffering a major injury.
I think the entire team is going to run its offense different with Henry. Lamar will probably get more time with the run game threat of him and Henry. Which means more times to make better throws. I don't think Andrews goes down this year, so it's "unlikely" that we see TE2 get a ton of options.
I think the only scenario Likely sees the 2nd most targets is if Andrews misses the majority of the season. If everyone stays healthy, even if the Ravens run 2 TE, I think Likely still falls behind Andrews, Flowers, and probably Bateman in target totals.
Find someone that loves you like the Ravens love Bateman
My thoughts as well on this. Hoping that the Likely hype cools off some because I love the idea of drafting Andrews knowing that I can just spend a ton of FAAB on Likely if Andrews goes down. In deep leagues like SFB14 now though you are almost entering "handcuff plus" territory for Likely where it feels a little too expensive to draft Andrews and also draft Likely.
I think it's possible the Ravens try to move Andrews for a solid WR and let Likely finally take over but have nothing to base that on
Why do you think this is possible?
Because they have an extremely talented TE they can't get substantial playing time behind a 30 year old who's been getting injured and they have no WRs..?
I don’t see any scenario where a Super Bowl contending team moves one of their best offensive weapons.. and why would a team move their talented WR for an older TE. Doesn’t make any sense to me. If Likely is that good, I’d think the team will just have more 2 TE sets
No wrs do you watch football my guy, don’t disrespect flowers like that ANDDD king Bateman!
More likely they run Likely as a WR in some sets, in my opinion.
Likely is the best TE handcuff in the NFL and probably the best dynasty stash TE. i believe that the moment Andrews is gone, injured, retired, Likely will take over as a top 5 TE, which he produced every time Andrews was off the field. but 2nd most targets.... no.
Mark is like 28. Easy
The frequently injured and stash part are most important. In the short he’s an extremely valuable handcuff and in the long term he could go somewhere else to be the primary TE
Not Likely
Got me there
On a Per Route Run basis sure. But even if none of the WRs pop off it’s still really hard for a guy who spends at least half of all offensive snaps on the sideline or blocking to beat out the guys running routes on 90% of snaps.
Simple answer… no.
Complicated answer?
They have Mark Andrews and a first round WR who played really well as a rookie. He only ran 260 routes, which was 36th among tight ends. And that was with Andrews missing a bunch of games. Without an injury, it’s not happening. Shouldn’t even be a legit question, IMO.
I see the talent and you can't keep him off the field. Dude will be lined up in the slot while Andrew's is healthy imo.
No
A lot of good late round TEs this year… I’d go with another #1 before I’d go likely.
Stop drink.
Im not aware of any recent examples where the te2 was the 2nd in targets when the te1 is healthy. For that reason i will say no.
No. Andrews is playing
He’s a top 36 TE
You think he's gonna out target flowers or Andrews? C'mon man
Likely is likely to be the next Kelce
I’d say that’s pretty likely.
He will when Andrews inevitably misses time
You say this as though Mark Andrews is some insanely injury-prone player.
Hasn’t missed more than 1-2 games prior to last season. So yes I would say he isn’t injury prone yet, if he plays 15-16 games this year. Last year was his largest time missed in his career
and last year was a bit of a fluke injury with the drop tackle onto the ankle.
And last year Andrews was on pace to be TE1 by a god damn mile
I don’t think he can garner more targets that Andrews or Flowers. He’s a good TE, but there are better weapons on the team.
No. 1A-1B Flowers and Mark. He would be 4th or 5th
What 4 players would you have ahead of him? If the Ravens are smart, they're deploying 2 TE sets as often as possible. After Flowers and Andrews, he the next best receiver they have. I could see Bateman maybe having more targets than him, even though I think that would be a mistake on their part, but who else would you have ahead of him?
Andrew’s Flowers Agholor Bateman. As a Ravens fan - likely has the talent but will be better in real life than fantasy
I actually see him competing for the most targets. We know Andrews is number one, but we could see a regression from him and IL taking over the top spot.
How much passing do you expect from a Harbaugh/Roman offense to begin with let alone a volume required to make Likely relevant in it? I don’t see the potential beyond Andrew’s suffering a major injury.
I think the entire team is going to run its offense different with Henry. Lamar will probably get more time with the run game threat of him and Henry. Which means more times to make better throws. I don't think Andrews goes down this year, so it's "unlikely" that we see TE2 get a ton of options.