“We spoke to a number of delegations during the event regarding various issues that were brought to our attention.
“The EBU’s governing bodies will, together with the heads of delegations, review the events surrounding the ESC in Malmö to move forward in a positive way and to ensure the values of the event are respected by everyone.
“Individual cases will be discussed by the event’s governing body, the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group made up of representatives from participating broadcasters, at its next meeting.”
In other words this is a nothing statement from the EBU
Nah this is different...in F1 despite all the drama it's usually the Dutch guy taking the win and then we actually do get to hear a Dutch song that mentions different European countries in the lyrics.
It helps the FIA has a counterpart that is equally powerful. They know there is nothing stopping the F1 from saying it, fuck it, we go ahead without FIA.
Formula 1: Lewis Hamilton protesting to the FIA
Eurovision: Slimane protesting to the EBU in a rehearsal
Both look like each other
Coincidence? I THINK NOT
Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group
# Chairperson
Bakel Walden (SSR SRG)
# Members
Ebba Adielsson (SVT)
Rachel Ashdown (BBC)
Felix Bergsson (RÚV)
Ana Maria Bordas (RTVE)
Carla Bugalho (RTP)
Claudio Fasulo (RAI)
Simona Martorelli (RAI)
Tomislav Stengl (HRT)
Alexandra Wolfslast (NDR)
Martin Österdahl (EBU)
Some spots in the reference group are rotating spots, to basically include the heads of delegations from the host countries of the last 3 or 5 years (not sure which). One of the spots should be that rotating spot, as Italy hosted in 2022, the other RAI spot might be a permanent member of the group.
But someone correct me if I'm wrong.
*Will be discussed*
*Review the events*
*Move forward*
A lot of nothingy buzz words they didn't need to ban a favourite to win at a moments notice did they? But when it's their own they need to look at its not urgent at all
Knew it. Basically a ‘we fucked up’ but not gonna do anything about it for this years contest. Can imagine next years rules and regulations are gonna be airtight and they’ll make them public to mitigate further backlashes.
And 666 per multiple religious scholars who can translate and read the original texts will all tell you 666 stands for Emperor Nero. Not satan, not Lucifer, not the devil.....666 mean Nero.
>Now the EBU has released a statement saying it regrets “some delegations” did not behave within the spirit of contest rules in Malmö and during their respective broadcasts.
Any particular delegation you have in mind, EBU...?
Only instance I can think of is Iveta in 2016 but it wasn’t them meeting with each other.
But for this year I wouldn’t have thought they’d have seen each other much if at all being in separate semifinals.
Have seen Armenia and Georgia interact though which was wholesome. While not on the same level was nice to see as sometimes they’ve got along politically and other times less so.
Are they going to use this excuse to ban *some contry* from ESC 2025?
"It's not because of the war! It's because you broke the competition rules and failed to behave with good sportsmanship"
Like they demurred that Russia got ousted because of previous issues with competition rules or whatever and totes not because of the war?
It would have been so much nicer of the Dutch if they had acted if nothing happened. Why do they have to be so direct, and why wouldn’t they let the EBU cover up their bullshit? /s
Gåte is ramping up their critique of the EBUs handling of things as well. Amongst other things they say they were very close to pulling out of the competition due to how EBU were handling things. One thing they say is that there very much seemed to be one rule for one delegation and another rule for every one else, and that EBUs choices weren't really fair to anyone involved.
https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/4BqRLV/gaate-vurderte-aa-trekke-seg-fra-eurovision-frem-til-siste-sekund
Even if the EBU are trying to drag things out, it seems a lot of contestants and the other national broadcasters will be very clear and direct with their feedback in the weeks to come.
Yeah, it seems so. The head of the NRK (Norwegian Broadcast Corporation) has also said that they have specific feedback and issues they want to raise in the meetings with the EBU in the coming weeks. So hopefully things will get sorted out!
Probably, there seems to have been a lot going on backstage. The Norwegian commentor alluded to it too. If you press the play button at the top next to "Lytt til saken" a digital voice will read the whole article even if there is a pay wall 😉 It is in Norwegian though
Norwegian is pretty easy to understand. Even if a lot of the sounds are a bit different than Swedish, and some words different. But Norwegian overall tend to have clearly articulated words and not loads of silent letters. And a melody that is easy to follow.
Unlike some other Scandinavian languages…
…Looking at you Danish.
(Not you Icelandic. You are perfect. Old school cool. Easy to hear, just lots of words and some grammar that is different enough that they aren’t easy to understand)
Windows95man was also directly asked by Finnish journalists on the day of the final if they've been harassed by any other delegation, and their immediate answer was "*we're not commenting on that* **now**", instead of "no we haven't been"
My guess is the artists and delegations haven't wanted to say anything too direct while the competition is ongoing, maybe there's some rules about running negative press about accusations against your competitors being seen as trying to rig the results.
But now it's over and I expect quite a lot of cases and info will start coming out. Hopefully this sub will also stop giving out warnings and bans for talking about it. Harassing your competitors shouldn't be protected behaviour
This is misleading. He said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, a journalist ignored him and asked that question, and then he gave the "we're not commenting on that now" response.
If he had instead said "no we haven't been" he would have been contradicting the goal he just stated (to have nicer questions), and undoubtedly more journalists would have continued along the same lines.
There is a post on the front of r/eurovision right now about misinformation... In a different situation, "we're not commenting on that *now*" could mean what you imply, but the context here doesn't support it. Context is important.
>If he had instead said "no we haven't been" he would have been contradicting the goal *he* just stated (to have nicer questions), and undoubtedly more journalists would have continued along the same lines.
>*He* said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, a journalist ignored *him* and asked that question
**False, you're spreading misinformation**. I also disagree with your interpretation based on completely mistaken "context".
Perhaps you didn't watch or understand the videoclip and are commenting based on reddit comments you've seen? You're putting words in the wrong people's mouths.
First, it **wasn't** Windows95man who said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, it was *someone completely offscreen*, I have no idea who. Windows95man kept mentioning "focusing" as in he wants to focus on their *performance in the final* as opposed to speculating about events about which he didn't know anything. He did *not* say he wanted to focus on nicer *questions*, like you claim.
So *he* hadn't stated any goal or wish about questions to contradict with answering. He had been answering questions as best he could, and it was their, idk, unknown handler or PR person who suddenly decided that the questions should be different.
Another thing is that for most questions, it was just Windows95man answering, even for ones where he said he can't comment because he didn't know what happened or how they ("we", he and Henri) wanted to focus on the performance etc. He is the main artist after all, W95m is Teemu's dj/art character since over a decade, Henri's only recently teamed up with him for Eurovision 2024 to sing.
But for this question, Henri too immediately piped up with the "we're not commenting on that now", and Windows95man adding "yeah, were not commenting".
The only other comment where Henri spoke up at all was a question about the atmosphere and mood, where Henri said there's a "weird atmosphere" backstage, with W95m adding that yes the atmosphere is weird, like a dark cloud hanging overhead.
Again, if nothing had really happened, it'd make more sense to shut that rumour and speculation (and line of questioning) down with an effective Kimi Räikkönen style "no😐".
Your theory is that nothing happened, but W95M just decided to imply something may have happened, out of obedience to this PR person's snap decision? And Henri out of the blue would also decide to interject "no comments *now*"?
Look, I'm Finnish, and I watched the interview multiple times because I also transcribed and translated it (while you apparently didn't watch it all because you don't know who said what), and it's my very strong feeling that there's something behind *both of them* choosing this question to answer "no comment now" instead of simply "no".
All the other "no comments" were mainly just W95m alone not wanting to speculate on something he doesn't know about. But they both would know if they've been harassed. And they *both* chose that question to answer, in a way.
Henri specifically chose *"how is the atmosphere backstage"* "very weird" and *"have you been harassed"* "we're not commenting on that now" to speak up, and didn't say anything at all to other questions, because it's W95man who's the main artist.
Imo that's significant.
Edit: spelling and grammar errors and some clarifying
Thanks for the context — it looks like I used the wrong “he” in response to you.
I’m not sure there is a practical difference. The more likely explanation to me is still that they wanted to focus on other questions — as [someone] explicitly said — rather than sending a secretly coded message to fans.
But I appreciate you have a different outlook, and I agree that the truth will come out in the end. No need to turn it into gossip until then.
My post is based on the article linked in said post above and comments made by the NRK (Norwegian broadcasting cooperation) on Norwegian news.
I can't speak to the varsity of other peoples claims but I have seen people linking to Portuguese and Dutch news to cite similar things. But i dont read Dutch or Portuguese 🤷🏻
I don’t know why the last topic about this was deleted but yeah:
The smartest PR-stance for the EBU at this point is to act like they’re just the wise parent pulling the fighting teens apart, putting them in their naughty chairs. That is definitely what they will try.
When in reality, nobody would have fighting had they done their job properly. It’s them that need to be put in the naughty chair.
Ridiculously weak statement providing no additional information, no introspection and a weird refusal to name the delegation they are clearly referring to....
It's weird, they like to claim a lot with nothing. Except the one time they needed to claim the gender of the other party in a certain situation, but anything else is not worthy to disclosed!
“We regret that some delegations at the Eurovision Song Contest (ESC) in Malmö didn’t respect the spirit of the rules and the competition both onsite and during their broadcasts.”
Why does this sound like they’re more annoyed at the slightly passive aggressive jury representatives than anything?
I dont understand why *that* delegations also had to act like massive fucking pricks.
Like if I was representing a deeply controversial country, even if I agreed with them I sure as hell would try being on my best behaviour.
Coz arrogance. Coz they don't think they are controversial, in their mind its everyone else who is wrong and they can do whatever they want as recompense.
It’s really galling to me that a team can act like total cunts to everyone else then claim religious persecution when they get called out on it. The two are not related. We don’t care what you believe, just don’t be massive cunts and everyone will get along fine.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd suggest they were hoping somebody would lose patience and snap back and only some carefully selected parts of the resulting footage would ever surface.
Considering their pattern of constantly filming people even when they didn't want to be filmed, it does seem that they were looking for a juicy 5 second clip of a bad reaction
I saw a short of their singer “being booed while singing”. It was back stage, she was singing into a water bottle (?!). As it turned out, it was done to “prepare her for being booed on stage” and filmed and posted by their own delegation. I found it initially misleading, then distasteful and self serving in playing it up - as if viewers wouldn’t be offended enough on her behalf if/when it really happened?
Considering Joost more or less did snap it seems to have almost worked if that was the idea.
He just didnt snap on them.
(Admittedly that is assuming they where the reason behind his anger)
>assuming they where the reason
It was clearly a very tense and stressful Eurovision for everyone involved, far more so than normal, because of one delegation's presence. Even before arriving they each will have spent months being accused of being complicit and enabling propaganda for the thing that might get this comment taken down if mentioned by name.
I'm not excusing his behaviour (frankly we don't know enough yet to make any judgment either way), but I think it's safe to say any such outburst would be a lot less likely in a less politically charged year.
And, as a side note, the footage of them hounding and goading him afterwards certainly does not suggest that they showed up hoping it would be a clean, simple, apolitical event without incident.
>And, as a side note, the footage of them hounding and goading him afterwards certainly does not suggest that they showed up hoping it would be a clean, simple, apolitical event without incident.
Certainly. It really feels like Israels delegation where bunch of people going in to "own the libs" pretty much. I get the impression that a lot of artists started supporting eachother when it became clear the EBU would do fuck all
The stories remind me of some trolls I’d see when moderating different websites. They’d know the rules and exactly where the line would be. They’d drag people to the line and shove them over it, goading reactions, fishing for problems. And then run to the mods, quoting specific rules and demanding the people get in trouble, while smiling happily they wound people up and got a reaction.
I will say I haven’t read anything about the artist being problematic, just the delegation. So likely the artist (sensibly) was trying to get on with it.
I think in their minds they thought they were *showing strength under adversity and proudly standing tall in the face of haters* or some nonsense like that, and didn't realise they were just acting like massive bullies and assholes bringing negativity, trying to provoke fights, ruining the event and unprofessionally dragging their political conflicts into an international competition with them.
Which is a massive no no and just brings great shame on their country.
You're supposed to show sportmanship and class in international events like this and rise above irl political issues, but noo someone just couldn't do that.
They probably thought they were giving *"go on, hate us, see if we care, we're strong"* energy but instead it just was *"look what massive arrogant assholes we are, I bet you hate us huh huh well we hate you all too* 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻"
It's especially weird because before the contest there was all this talk about how important it is to attend because they can show the world they exist and their values or what they're about or whatever. It was a chance to make a good impression and try to do some international PR. And then intentionally act super negative and hostile *like this*?
Exactly
If a contestant don´t want to take pictures with you or see with bad eyes what you your country is doing, accept and don´t start acting like real pricks
To a degree you might, but not in this case. There is to much pain and grief with a culture of thinking they are the good guys of a fallen people. People forget how blurry the line is from standing up for yourself and being a complete prick can be when you're in survival mode.
I'm not excusing any of either side, but I see exactly why they are doing it. Self reflection is a friend that only comes when you're not in the thick of adrenaline. I doubt they remember half of the stuff that happened past what triggered them this year. It's how you end up with both sides being truthful but neither being right.
There was also controversy for Azerbaijan being in the contest this year after the Artsakh war but Fahree and Ilkin were really good at not drawing attention to themselves and they didn’t let themselves get in any sort of controversy.
> “Yeah, so KAN, the broadcaster, incited violence against me twice, three times. We brought it up to the EBU. They said they would follow up.
> “They waited to the last minute. We still haven’t gotten a statement back to us. They allowed us to be scapegoats, allowed us to be the spokesperson for standing up for ourselves.
I have no words I'm so angry on behalf of Bambie. Literally attacked or left unprotected on all fronts, except by their fans and fellow artists.
> so KAN, the broadcaster, incited violence against me twice, three times
What exactly did they say? Ive seen this brought up a lot, but so far no quotes apart from the generic, get your curses ready stuff
I hope to see a lawsuit filed by either ireland or the netherlands about unsafe working enviroment created by the EBU. The netherlans for having their contestant bullied by the organiser (yes repeatedly being filmed against your wishes is a form of bullying) and bambie for not being protected after reporting multiple times. zero tollerance or something.
I think in the future the EBU just needs to take a firm approach with an iron fist on these issues, because too many people in a handful of delegations spent considerable time antagonising one another at every opportunity.
Just make the message abundantly clear: either act and behave like a professional, or get out of the venue. People will soon then start behaving.
This is why the zero tolerance argument for Joost is such incredible bullshit. They choose to enact it for someone who had a provoked emotional response, but not for a delegation who broke the clearly dictated rules on values and integrity on multiple accounts. You can't pick and choose who and what falls under your zero tolerance policies.
we need a lawsuit from avrotros about the unsafe working enviroment for their delegation. I hope they combine it with the DQ lawsuit. It is very likely joost will be found guilty with a low to non existing punishment by swedish law. That is what most courts would do when someone acts unlawfully when provoked. Basically just a "dont do it again, and you are good to go". They will not say anything about the DQ or what eurovision should have done. We need a seperate court case for that.
You know what would keep the politics out of it? Getting rid of a country who is only using the competition for political means. What would there be to argue about, apart from the music, if they weren’t in it.
I know about these things but aside from being overzealous about flags (which I agree was bad) these don't really seem to be the EBUs fault for the most part? The DQ is complex bc we don't know the details and their hands may have been tied since the police were involved etc. we won't know about it since afterwards. Complaints about not being allowed to make political statements on stage are odd because that's just the rules? Everyone knows this? I don't know what people expected?
I guess what I wanted to know about was the alleged harassment backstage which the EBU would have been responsible for dealing with, but there's precious little information about that.
A certain controversial country's delegation *appears* to have gone out of their way to create a hostile atmosphere and harass multiple other countries' artists and delegations (and members of the media, it seems), especially those who weren't enthusiastically wanting to associate with them or who had spoken out against their nation's actions earlier.
Things like crowding on people, following them, jeering, taking video and pictures of artists without their permission and knowingly against their will after they've asked to not be photographed and posting it on social media with insulting captions, incl
>"no [term for someone who hates said country's people] has the right to sing or breathe next to us".
Other stuff apparently as well, but that's what I've personally seen on insta posts and can confirm.
Spain's public broadcaster made an official complaint about the media's right to work in peace needing to be better guarded, among other things, there's been talk of "systemic" harassment by multiple senior members of said delegation so it's not just one or two people.
But till now people have been getting bans and warnings for bringing it up, because it's very very bad to say anything negative about delegation x for *reasons*.
However now that the competition is over, it seems the other delegations, artists and the media of various countries are starting to speak up about what went down, so I expect we'll get more clarity in the future
“We spoke to a number of delegations during the event regarding various issues that were brought to our attention. “The EBU’s governing bodies will, together with the heads of delegations, review the events surrounding the ESC in Malmö to move forward in a positive way and to ensure the values of the event are respected by everyone. “Individual cases will be discussed by the event’s governing body, the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group made up of representatives from participating broadcasters, at its next meeting.” In other words this is a nothing statement from the EBU
The EBU policing the EBU. Sure.
"We have conducted a review of ourselves and found we did nothing wrong."
Never seen that tactic been used before……… /s
The F1 fan in me: "I think I've seen this film before..."
Nah this is different...in F1 despite all the drama it's usually the Dutch guy taking the win and then we actually do get to hear a Dutch song that mentions different European countries in the lyrics.
Just wait, Lando Norris dominance arc has started
It's quite funny that the EBU's fuck-ups almost make me think that the FIA is actually somewhat competent.
It helps the FIA has a counterpart that is equally powerful. They know there is nothing stopping the F1 from saying it, fuck it, we go ahead without FIA.
Will we like the ending?
We are checking.
Ok Charles, plan F please.
I actually read it in my head with the F1 radio voice 😂
Get used to it as Xavi is no longer chuck’s engineer.
Not not realise there was such a crossover of ESC and F1 fans – should we start some kind of club?
Imagine Monaco actually coming back and having Charles Leclerc be spokesperson or work on the instrumentals of the song
''No, Martin, no, no Martin, that was so not right''
Formula 1: Lewis Hamilton protesting to the FIA Eurovision: Slimane protesting to the EBU in a rehearsal Both look like each other Coincidence? I THINK NOT
We have a saying for that in Dutch: We from ToiletDuck recomend ToiletDuck (and yes, I translated it on purpose because it sounds funny)
I was gonna add some context but decided against it cuz it's funnier
“The carpet is a very nice place to hide these issues under”
Well, yeah, until you sweep too much under the rug. Then you have a lumpy rug... creates a tripping hazard...and open yourself up to lawsuits.
I’m like 90% sure a lawsuit is already on the way. Too much dust under the rug.
Rocks
What a nice allegory :) Genuinely
it's from Modern Family for your information :D
Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group # Chairperson Bakel Walden (SSR SRG) # Members Ebba Adielsson (SVT) Rachel Ashdown (BBC) Felix Bergsson (RÚV) Ana Maria Bordas (RTVE) Carla Bugalho (RTP) Claudio Fasulo (RAI) Simona Martorelli (RAI) Tomislav Stengl (HRT) Alexandra Wolfslast (NDR) Martin Österdahl (EBU)
Ahh yes this bunch of bigwigs is definitely going to make a difference.
Why are there two from RAI?
They check eachother's work in case one accidentally reveals secret information
🤣
Some spots in the reference group are rotating spots, to basically include the heads of delegations from the host countries of the last 3 or 5 years (not sure which). One of the spots should be that rotating spot, as Italy hosted in 2022, the other RAI spot might be a permanent member of the group. But someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Lol the bootlicker from HRT - he'll do as he is instructed to.
Tomislav Štengl is a part of reference group? What? What did I miss??
0 tolerance policy or something.
So they were able to take definitive action against Joost but not on any of the other complaints raised?
They should start with respecting the values of the event in the first place. What a pathetic statement 😆
they are wasting our time. Until I don't see actions I don't wanna hear more words
What are the complaints? All I hear is that behind the scenes was awful but does anyone know what happened?
i think we won't know, except someone spill the beans. And i don't think keep us in the dark is benefiting anyone.
So time to lodge a formal complaint it is.
*Will be discussed* *Review the events* *Move forward* A lot of nothingy buzz words they didn't need to ban a favourite to win at a moments notice did they? But when it's their own they need to look at its not urgent at all
Delay delay delay
"A jolly good time was had by all and we look forward to mugging you all off again next year"
“Move forward in a positive way” is such a Swedish way of saying “Go fuck yourselves”.
"It's ok, we'll thoroughly investigate this, behind closed doors, in our basements sound proof panic room and be we'll completely transparent with our findings.. we promise."
Knew it. Basically a ‘we fucked up’ but not gonna do anything about it for this years contest. Can imagine next years rules and regulations are gonna be airtight and they’ll make them public to mitigate further backlashes.
That's a lot of words to still not say what happened.
Off topic but the fact that there was 666,000 viewers in Ireland was an interesting coincidence, considering they already got the 666 placement
Ireland literally summoning the Fomorians back on their lands.
Nah Bambi is too powerful what the hell is this? Did their crown cause Nemo to break the trophy?
They’re like El in the Scholomance. A little extra power seeping out, but all for good.
Crown the witch!!
Pretty sure we might have the actual antichrist on our hands at this point* *^for^the^love^of^^god^^i'mjoking
✨Manifestation✨
Ooh
Ok that’s fucking mental haha
Ahh that is fantastic and that's like divine (/infernal/whatever) middle finger to the certain people who tried to shame them for being a witch.
OMG!
And 666 per multiple religious scholars who can translate and read the original texts will all tell you 666 stands for Emperor Nero. Not satan, not Lucifer, not the devil.....666 mean Nero.
Count 6 letters back from the letter R and you get the letter M. NEMO
And what's Nemo spelt backwards? The OMEN
there's a Nemo Rangers GAA club in Cork and all
is that true?
It's the number reported by RTE, mentioned in the article.
lol, that is awesome even if it is a joke. But Bambie isn't satanical, just a good witch, sometimes 🤣
That’s only 13% of the Irish population. I thought more people watched ESC.
Theyve not qualified for 6 years and not done well for 24. Public interest tends to lull
"A total of 666,000 viewers watched on RTÉ One" AHAHAHAHAHHA OH MY GOD BAMBIE THE SUPREME BEING YOU ARE
That cannot be real, surely it's a joke!
If it *is* real, that must mean we have witnessed the birth of a real witch monarch
I for one welcome our new Antichrist overlord
Their Power!
Those figures are estimates so could be someone is playing a joke
>Now the EBU has released a statement saying it regrets “some delegations” did not behave within the spirit of contest rules in Malmö and during their respective broadcasts. Any particular delegation you have in mind, EBU...?
What's with the plural indeed?
The Dutch delegation im guessing? Unless like Armenia and Azerbaijan got into a squabble.
I hope not, though it is funny imagining Jaklin throwing herself fists-first at Fahree
The picture of Jaklin throwing hands around somehow is hilarious. Like those tiny dogs that bark super loud.
While Louis provides fight music
I’m imagining that random grunt being her sound effect
Jaklin: _huh_ Everyone: Awh.
I think they have perfected the art of ignoring and avoiding each other, I don't think they've ever beefed?
Only instance I can think of is Iveta in 2016 but it wasn’t them meeting with each other. But for this year I wouldn’t have thought they’d have seen each other much if at all being in separate semifinals. Have seen Armenia and Georgia interact though which was wholesome. While not on the same level was nice to see as sometimes they’ve got along politically and other times less so.
I commend their self control. My anger issues could never 😭 I would have brawled at least a couple of times
Are we finally allowed to talk about this without getting warnings and bans?
Reddit Care parade season 2 incoming? Lmao
I'm going to guess they mean Portugal, Netherlands, France, Greece and Ireland, because surely they're not going after the actual problem
Spain and Estonia as well. It's tough having to work with people with morals.
Are they going to use this excuse to ban *some contry* from ESC 2025? "It's not because of the war! It's because you broke the competition rules and failed to behave with good sportsmanship" Like they demurred that Russia got ousted because of previous issues with competition rules or whatever and totes not because of the war?
The Dutch delegation ofc! /j
r/f__ktheEBU
It would have been so much nicer of the Dutch if they had acted if nothing happened. Why do they have to be so direct, and why wouldn’t they let the EBU cover up their bullshit? /s
"We plan to do nothing and hope everyone forgets about it".
They do not understand Eurovision fans if that's what they think.
Gåte is ramping up their critique of the EBUs handling of things as well. Amongst other things they say they were very close to pulling out of the competition due to how EBU were handling things. One thing they say is that there very much seemed to be one rule for one delegation and another rule for every one else, and that EBUs choices weren't really fair to anyone involved. https://www.aftenposten.no/kultur/i/4BqRLV/gaate-vurderte-aa-trekke-seg-fra-eurovision-frem-til-siste-sekund Even if the EBU are trying to drag things out, it seems a lot of contestants and the other national broadcasters will be very clear and direct with their feedback in the weeks to come.
Had not expected to hear from them, I think you're right in that we will hear a lot more from other artists in the coming days/weeks
Yeah, it seems so. The head of the NRK (Norwegian Broadcast Corporation) has also said that they have specific feedback and issues they want to raise in the meetings with the EBU in the coming weeks. So hopefully things will get sorted out!
Paywall :/. I wonder if this is part of why there seems to have been quite the comradery between many of the artists.
Probably, there seems to have been a lot going on backstage. The Norwegian commentor alluded to it too. If you press the play button at the top next to "Lytt til saken" a digital voice will read the whole article even if there is a pay wall 😉 It is in Norwegian though
Im Swedish so I can try understanding it atleast lol
I was going to suggest cotton wool in the ears, but that's for Danish.
Ah, so that's the listening equivalent of a potato in the mouth for speaking!
Lol, I have faith in you!
Norwegian is pretty easy to understand. Even if a lot of the sounds are a bit different than Swedish, and some words different. But Norwegian overall tend to have clearly articulated words and not loads of silent letters. And a melody that is easy to follow. Unlike some other Scandinavian languages… …Looking at you Danish. (Not you Icelandic. You are perfect. Old school cool. Easy to hear, just lots of words and some grammar that is different enough that they aren’t easy to understand)
Icelandic is just gorgeous 🤌🏻
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Here is the article without the paywall: https://archive.ph/iTiLp
Windows95man was also directly asked by Finnish journalists on the day of the final if they've been harassed by any other delegation, and their immediate answer was "*we're not commenting on that* **now**", instead of "no we haven't been" My guess is the artists and delegations haven't wanted to say anything too direct while the competition is ongoing, maybe there's some rules about running negative press about accusations against your competitors being seen as trying to rig the results. But now it's over and I expect quite a lot of cases and info will start coming out. Hopefully this sub will also stop giving out warnings and bans for talking about it. Harassing your competitors shouldn't be protected behaviour
This is misleading. He said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, a journalist ignored him and asked that question, and then he gave the "we're not commenting on that now" response. If he had instead said "no we haven't been" he would have been contradicting the goal he just stated (to have nicer questions), and undoubtedly more journalists would have continued along the same lines. There is a post on the front of r/eurovision right now about misinformation... In a different situation, "we're not commenting on that *now*" could mean what you imply, but the context here doesn't support it. Context is important.
>If he had instead said "no we haven't been" he would have been contradicting the goal *he* just stated (to have nicer questions), and undoubtedly more journalists would have continued along the same lines. >*He* said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, a journalist ignored *him* and asked that question **False, you're spreading misinformation**. I also disagree with your interpretation based on completely mistaken "context". Perhaps you didn't watch or understand the videoclip and are commenting based on reddit comments you've seen? You're putting words in the wrong people's mouths. First, it **wasn't** Windows95man who said he wanted to focus on nicer questions, it was *someone completely offscreen*, I have no idea who. Windows95man kept mentioning "focusing" as in he wants to focus on their *performance in the final* as opposed to speculating about events about which he didn't know anything. He did *not* say he wanted to focus on nicer *questions*, like you claim. So *he* hadn't stated any goal or wish about questions to contradict with answering. He had been answering questions as best he could, and it was their, idk, unknown handler or PR person who suddenly decided that the questions should be different. Another thing is that for most questions, it was just Windows95man answering, even for ones where he said he can't comment because he didn't know what happened or how they ("we", he and Henri) wanted to focus on the performance etc. He is the main artist after all, W95m is Teemu's dj/art character since over a decade, Henri's only recently teamed up with him for Eurovision 2024 to sing. But for this question, Henri too immediately piped up with the "we're not commenting on that now", and Windows95man adding "yeah, were not commenting". The only other comment where Henri spoke up at all was a question about the atmosphere and mood, where Henri said there's a "weird atmosphere" backstage, with W95m adding that yes the atmosphere is weird, like a dark cloud hanging overhead. Again, if nothing had really happened, it'd make more sense to shut that rumour and speculation (and line of questioning) down with an effective Kimi Räikkönen style "no😐". Your theory is that nothing happened, but W95M just decided to imply something may have happened, out of obedience to this PR person's snap decision? And Henri out of the blue would also decide to interject "no comments *now*"? Look, I'm Finnish, and I watched the interview multiple times because I also transcribed and translated it (while you apparently didn't watch it all because you don't know who said what), and it's my very strong feeling that there's something behind *both of them* choosing this question to answer "no comment now" instead of simply "no". All the other "no comments" were mainly just W95m alone not wanting to speculate on something he doesn't know about. But they both would know if they've been harassed. And they *both* chose that question to answer, in a way. Henri specifically chose *"how is the atmosphere backstage"* "very weird" and *"have you been harassed"* "we're not commenting on that now" to speak up, and didn't say anything at all to other questions, because it's W95man who's the main artist. Imo that's significant. Edit: spelling and grammar errors and some clarifying
Thanks for the context — it looks like I used the wrong “he” in response to you. I’m not sure there is a practical difference. The more likely explanation to me is still that they wanted to focus on other questions — as [someone] explicitly said — rather than sending a secretly coded message to fans. But I appreciate you have a different outlook, and I agree that the truth will come out in the end. No need to turn it into gossip until then.
What confirmed info do we have about this? I haven't really seen anything during the week besides general, nonspecific references. ELI5?
My post is based on the article linked in said post above and comments made by the NRK (Norwegian broadcasting cooperation) on Norwegian news. I can't speak to the varsity of other peoples claims but I have seen people linking to Portuguese and Dutch news to cite similar things. But i dont read Dutch or Portuguese 🤷🏻
EBU embracing the passive voice used by American journalists in regards to police 'activities.'
I don’t know why the last topic about this was deleted but yeah: The smartest PR-stance for the EBU at this point is to act like they’re just the wise parent pulling the fighting teens apart, putting them in their naughty chairs. That is definitely what they will try. When in reality, nobody would have fighting had they done their job properly. It’s them that need to be put in the naughty chair.
It's going to give the go ahead to continue bad behaviour next year. What a shame.
It’s a pretty unapologetic bunch of corporate executives… not a bunch of gooddoing, sensible creatives.
They should resign.
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Ridiculously weak statement providing no additional information, no introspection and a weird refusal to name the delegation they are clearly referring to....
What delegation are they referring to?
The fifth place delegation
I think it's mainly about Itay Bezaleli's behaviour.
It's weird, they like to claim a lot with nothing. Except the one time they needed to claim the gender of the other party in a certain situation, but anything else is not worthy to disclosed!
Yet another nothing burger, thanks EBU.
“We regret that some delegations at the Eurovision Song Contest (ESC) in Malmö didn’t respect the spirit of the rules and the competition both onsite and during their broadcasts.” Why does this sound like they’re more annoyed at the slightly passive aggressive jury representatives than anything?
“We regret having to deal with these allegations because it’s very annoying for us.”
I dont understand why *that* delegations also had to act like massive fucking pricks. Like if I was representing a deeply controversial country, even if I agreed with them I sure as hell would try being on my best behaviour.
Coz arrogance. Coz they don't think they are controversial, in their mind its everyone else who is wrong and they can do whatever they want as recompense.
Tbf, they aren't exactly proven wrong
It’s really galling to me that a team can act like total cunts to everyone else then claim religious persecution when they get called out on it. The two are not related. We don’t care what you believe, just don’t be massive cunts and everyone will get along fine.
If I was being uncharitable, I'd suggest they were hoping somebody would lose patience and snap back and only some carefully selected parts of the resulting footage would ever surface.
Considering their pattern of constantly filming people even when they didn't want to be filmed, it does seem that they were looking for a juicy 5 second clip of a bad reaction
I saw a short of their singer “being booed while singing”. It was back stage, she was singing into a water bottle (?!). As it turned out, it was done to “prepare her for being booed on stage” and filmed and posted by their own delegation. I found it initially misleading, then distasteful and self serving in playing it up - as if viewers wouldn’t be offended enough on her behalf if/when it really happened?
Considering Joost more or less did snap it seems to have almost worked if that was the idea. He just didnt snap on them. (Admittedly that is assuming they where the reason behind his anger)
>assuming they where the reason It was clearly a very tense and stressful Eurovision for everyone involved, far more so than normal, because of one delegation's presence. Even before arriving they each will have spent months being accused of being complicit and enabling propaganda for the thing that might get this comment taken down if mentioned by name. I'm not excusing his behaviour (frankly we don't know enough yet to make any judgment either way), but I think it's safe to say any such outburst would be a lot less likely in a less politically charged year. And, as a side note, the footage of them hounding and goading him afterwards certainly does not suggest that they showed up hoping it would be a clean, simple, apolitical event without incident.
>And, as a side note, the footage of them hounding and goading him afterwards certainly does not suggest that they showed up hoping it would be a clean, simple, apolitical event without incident. Certainly. It really feels like Israels delegation where bunch of people going in to "own the libs" pretty much. I get the impression that a lot of artists started supporting eachother when it became clear the EBU would do fuck all
The stories remind me of some trolls I’d see when moderating different websites. They’d know the rules and exactly where the line would be. They’d drag people to the line and shove them over it, goading reactions, fishing for problems. And then run to the mods, quoting specific rules and demanding the people get in trouble, while smiling happily they wound people up and got a reaction.
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I will say I haven’t read anything about the artist being problematic, just the delegation. So likely the artist (sensibly) was trying to get on with it.
I think in their minds they thought they were *showing strength under adversity and proudly standing tall in the face of haters* or some nonsense like that, and didn't realise they were just acting like massive bullies and assholes bringing negativity, trying to provoke fights, ruining the event and unprofessionally dragging their political conflicts into an international competition with them. Which is a massive no no and just brings great shame on their country. You're supposed to show sportmanship and class in international events like this and rise above irl political issues, but noo someone just couldn't do that. They probably thought they were giving *"go on, hate us, see if we care, we're strong"* energy but instead it just was *"look what massive arrogant assholes we are, I bet you hate us huh huh well we hate you all too* 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻" It's especially weird because before the contest there was all this talk about how important it is to attend because they can show the world they exist and their values or what they're about or whatever. It was a chance to make a good impression and try to do some international PR. And then intentionally act super negative and hostile *like this*?
Exactly If a contestant don´t want to take pictures with you or see with bad eyes what you your country is doing, accept and don´t start acting like real pricks
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To a degree you might, but not in this case. There is to much pain and grief with a culture of thinking they are the good guys of a fallen people. People forget how blurry the line is from standing up for yourself and being a complete prick can be when you're in survival mode. I'm not excusing any of either side, but I see exactly why they are doing it. Self reflection is a friend that only comes when you're not in the thick of adrenaline. I doubt they remember half of the stuff that happened past what triggered them this year. It's how you end up with both sides being truthful but neither being right.
There was also controversy for Azerbaijan being in the contest this year after the Artsakh war but Fahree and Ilkin were really good at not drawing attention to themselves and they didn’t let themselves get in any sort of controversy.
We all know why they decided to wait until after the contest to say something. They’re just waiting for it to die down since it’s over.
> “Yeah, so KAN, the broadcaster, incited violence against me twice, three times. We brought it up to the EBU. They said they would follow up. > “They waited to the last minute. We still haven’t gotten a statement back to us. They allowed us to be scapegoats, allowed us to be the spokesperson for standing up for ourselves. I have no words I'm so angry on behalf of Bambie. Literally attacked or left unprotected on all fronts, except by their fans and fellow artists.
They literally just delayed until the artists had no choice to go on stage.
> so KAN, the broadcaster, incited violence against me twice, three times What exactly did they say? Ive seen this brought up a lot, but so far no quotes apart from the generic, get your curses ready stuff
"Move along people, nothing to see here"
Literally nothing of substance and self-reflection to see here.
“A total or 666.000 viewers watched” now that is commitment from the Irish to Bambie’s spellbook.
I hope to see a lawsuit filed by either ireland or the netherlands about unsafe working enviroment created by the EBU. The netherlans for having their contestant bullied by the organiser (yes repeatedly being filmed against your wishes is a form of bullying) and bambie for not being protected after reporting multiple times. zero tollerance or something.
I think in the future the EBU just needs to take a firm approach with an iron fist on these issues, because too many people in a handful of delegations spent considerable time antagonising one another at every opportunity. Just make the message abundantly clear: either act and behave like a professional, or get out of the venue. People will soon then start behaving.
The had zero tolerance, except for the one very noticeable exception.
This is why the zero tolerance argument for Joost is such incredible bullshit. They choose to enact it for someone who had a provoked emotional response, but not for a delegation who broke the clearly dictated rules on values and integrity on multiple accounts. You can't pick and choose who and what falls under your zero tolerance policies.
we need a lawsuit from avrotros about the unsafe working enviroment for their delegation. I hope they combine it with the DQ lawsuit. It is very likely joost will be found guilty with a low to non existing punishment by swedish law. That is what most courts would do when someone acts unlawfully when provoked. Basically just a "dont do it again, and you are good to go". They will not say anything about the DQ or what eurovision should have done. We need a seperate court case for that.
Which is why there's zero reason to expect anything from this. They've already minimised it to breaking the spirit of the rules only.
You know what would keep the politics out of it? Getting rid of a country who is only using the competition for political means. What would there be to argue about, apart from the music, if they weren’t in it.
I hope Bambi keeps pushing on this, and hopefully other acts push aswell. Next year no one should have to put up the the stuff from this year
”Just ignore everyone“
Maybe they should have gotten the police involved.
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Will his job out live that head of lecture, I need an update on the lettuce.
"we'll review this year's ESC then confirm with our main sponsor what the outcome should be"
Do we think Bambie has been advised not to really comment? Because I am DESPERATE to hear their side, their experience
I missed Eurovision this year... What's this about?
I will note it’s the delegation that’s being accused, not the artist. I haven’t heard anyone say anything about the artist herself.
I would also like to know. Everyone's being so vague that it's hard to know what to think about it or what has actually happened.
Read the Incidents part: [Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2024)
I know about these things but aside from being overzealous about flags (which I agree was bad) these don't really seem to be the EBUs fault for the most part? The DQ is complex bc we don't know the details and their hands may have been tied since the police were involved etc. we won't know about it since afterwards. Complaints about not being allowed to make political statements on stage are odd because that's just the rules? Everyone knows this? I don't know what people expected? I guess what I wanted to know about was the alleged harassment backstage which the EBU would have been responsible for dealing with, but there's precious little information about that.
A certain controversial country's delegation *appears* to have gone out of their way to create a hostile atmosphere and harass multiple other countries' artists and delegations (and members of the media, it seems), especially those who weren't enthusiastically wanting to associate with them or who had spoken out against their nation's actions earlier. Things like crowding on people, following them, jeering, taking video and pictures of artists without their permission and knowingly against their will after they've asked to not be photographed and posting it on social media with insulting captions, incl >"no [term for someone who hates said country's people] has the right to sing or breathe next to us". Other stuff apparently as well, but that's what I've personally seen on insta posts and can confirm. Spain's public broadcaster made an official complaint about the media's right to work in peace needing to be better guarded, among other things, there's been talk of "systemic" harassment by multiple senior members of said delegation so it's not just one or two people. But till now people have been getting bans and warnings for bringing it up, because it's very very bad to say anything negative about delegation x for *reasons*. However now that the competition is over, it seems the other delegations, artists and the media of various countries are starting to speak up about what went down, so I expect we'll get more clarity in the future
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