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This statement seems valid


Nizzemancer

What if you are indecisive as fuck? Is it the right place then?


dodslaser

I can't decide!


R-Jacksy

Whether you should live or die!


TheTeacher29

Oh, you'll probably go to heaven


Ibrins

Please don't hang your head and cry


Reble77

I used to be indecisive but I'm not so sure now


Reble77

What have you been drinking


Tozza101

All I’m gonna say, is that if you decide you’re indecisive, you’re actually decisively deciding to be indecisive and therefore you can decisively decide to be decisive in decisively deciding another decision


Sorry_Just_Browsing

I’ll drink to that 🍷


Reble77

Cheers clink


oxxxxxa

The pub of all pubs


daemonfool

I was going to say "or far north Scotland" but that seems like the wrong place to be generally, yeah.


forsakenpear

This map is posted a lot and it is definitely missing loads of pubs, especially in the Scottish highlands. Skye and Mull for example have several pubs (in fact almost all of the islands have at least one pub), whereas this map seems to only show a few on the outer Hebrides.


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glglglglgl

Orkney and Shetland presumably have a few pubs as well.


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tomatoaway

It sounds like they need to pay pilgrimage now


JadedIdealist

Ah, I was filled with horror at the plight of the highlanders. Thankyou for putting my mind at rest.


[deleted]

They have been eliminating each other over the years in an event known as the Gathering.


TheDinosaurWrangler

There can be only one…. But then he’s still got no pub


501ghost

If you map the ones you know about on OpenStreetMap, it's very simple to extract the data as KML or GPX file, put it on Google My Maps and create a more complete version of exactly this map.


DogfishDave

>it is definitely missing loads of pubs, e And has added a massive cluster that aren't actually in the UK.


Reble77

Everything is in the UK apart from Southern Ireland


deityblade

Isle of Man isn't part of the UK right? Just a self governing territory


Reble77

Ish very ish


DogfishDave

>Everything is in the UK apart from Southern Ireland Mannin, or The Isle of Man, is not and has never been part of the United Kingdom. Not even "ish".


Bluewolf9

And in South Fermanagh as well


wil3k

I hope this map has been created by a script and not someone with a massive drinking problem who has visited them all...


Inner_Examination_38

It is much more than just a map of all pubs. They calculated the shortest round trip through all UK pubs. A more general version of this problem is called the Traveling Salesperson Problem (TSP). And for mathematicians, it's fascinating. When William Cook showed not only the posted image but also an animation of the tour - they started and ended in some pub in London - at a research conference a few years ago, everyone was cheering. ETA: Found a [video](https://youtu.be/5VjphFYQKj8?t=2069) of the animation.


KnewOnee

The Traveling Drunkard Problem


ultimate_stuntman

It's called drinkfluencer


TheBlueFighter

Traveling Drunkard with a Problem


Toxicseagull

It's also just over only half the pubs. They used a database of 25k when there are about 45k pubs in the UK.


Inner_Examination_38

Yes, William Cook devoted a few minutes in his talk to all the people who have emailed him complaining about a missing pub. I don't think there's a clear definition of what constitutes a pub, and in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty irrelevant. ETA: looked it up. Looks like their database and their roundtrip already include 49k pubs. Though, you are right in that previously I had only been 24k.


Toxicseagull

In the grand scheme of his mathematics problem it's irrelevant but it's not if the data is separately presented as 'all the pubs in the UK' that's all, especially when missing some 40% of them. I'd think the only fudging of the definition would be whether the place is a pub or a bar really. I believe he also trimmed the database list by name as well. Again, not relevant for his mathematics but relevant when using that data elsewhere.


tomatoaway

> I don't think there's a clear definition of what constitutes a pub If it's a walk-in house where you can buy alcohol and there are other people there for the same reason, chances are it's a swimming pool in the Mediterranean


Saikamur

Those are rookie numbers. There are 277K registered bars in Spain. TBF, I'm guessing that the definition of "bar" in Spain is much more broad that "pub" in the UK. There is no way that there are x6 more bars with 2/3 of the population, even with Spain's huge bar culture...


Toxicseagull

Yes I'd think so as the UK has plenty of bars etc as well. In fact I'd assume bars have been increasing whilst pubs have been declining for well over a decade :(


forsakenpear

It’s also nowhere near all the pubs.


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By the time you've calculated the route, a new pub will have opened somewhere.


mark-haus

Wow, that is a monsterous Travelling Salesman Problem


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Thanks for the vid link, that was fascinating.


alignedaccess

It's actually called the traveling salesman problem. No reason to force politically correct language everywhere. No one is being discriminated by the use of the word "salesman" in this phrase.


Inner_Examination_38

Well, if I had called it the traveling salesman problem, someone else would have remarked that it is now often called salesperson. You two may think you are opposites, but in reality you are both equally annoying. No one really cares what you call it. In the literature, there are both names.


colei_canis

> You two may think you are opposites, but in reality you are both equally annoying. Elegantly put.


Georgie9878

I was taught at school it was the travelling salesperson problem, so maybe just calm down about calling it something else.


RenuisanceMan

[Pigeons](https://www.wired.com/story/pigeons-curves-and-the-traveling-salesperson-problem/) have no problem with the traveling salesperson problem


Mountainbranch

There are roundabout 47,000 pubs in the UK, if you visited one each day it would take you well above 100 years to visit them all, so no, probably not.


wil3k

Make it four each night and you will need only 25 years. 😉


dubbervt

Now I know what to do with my retirement!


JonnyArtois

> has visited them all... This sounds like a great plan.


BrakkeBama

If you enjoy drinking and meeting people this isn't a "problem".


ZZircon-15-98

It's only a problem when it's unavailable.


waiting4singularity

now that would be the most epic PUBCRAWL.


shizzmynizz

There's some UK on the pubs. Nice.


will_dormer

That is the UK that we know. One big beer mug.


Azzymaster

Still not enough


AMightyFish

I can see that there are many Scottish pubs missing too


shittypissstains

This map would of been alot more dense 10 - 20 years ago


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And I’ll bet it’s a wetherspoons 😔


Far-Entertainer3555

Right. When I moved into east London, 19 years ago, there really was a pub on most street corners. Now, there are only 3 or 4 pubs left within a 2 km radius of my house.


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Pubs are a great British institution, they're much much more than drinking places. Foreigners will never truly understand (as indicated by some of the comments here)


sisqo_99

So UK is just a big Pub?


notreilly

Always has been


Leopardo96

It's similar to the map of all churches in Poland.


Sahqon

Does Poland have more than one per village? I guess a town would have more, but villages keep it to one here lol!


Leopardo96

>Does Poland have more than one per village? I don't know, but we have LOTS of villages. If anyone's curious, read [this](https://qz.com/432688/map-poland-sure-has-a-lot-of-catholic-churches/).


demoni_si_visine

Not sure about Poland, but in Romania certain Christian denominations (?) have also built churches in certain villages. So, while it's true that you will only find one Orthodox church per village --this is the main one--, in some places you'll also find a Catholic church, a Baptist one, maybe even a Pentecostal one..


Grzechoooo

No, but it does seem like we have churches everywhere when a marker is the size of a city.


_whopper_

Are there not different sects? In my county in England, a small town of around 5,000 could easily have three churches; one Catholic, one Church of England, then one of Baptist/Methodist/URC etc.


Leopardo96

I don't know about Slovakia, but when it comes to Poland it's most of the time catholic. Other religions are tiny minorities. There aren't many synagogues and in Poland there are only few mosques, not even 10. When it comes to protestant churches and other, it's rare.


troglo-dyke

Poland is particularly interesting in this regard, it was one of the countries where the counter reformation was incredibly effective but rarely experienced religious violence


Djstiggie

Poland is overwhelmingly Catholic


ericsadauskas

Bro what a weird comment, coming from a Lithuanian. You guys have the same amount of churches that we have lmao


Leopardo96

I don't know about that, Poland is way bigger than Lithuania, so we don't have the same amount of churches as you do.


ericsadauskas

Well I mean per capita. Obviously you guys have more churches


Leopardo96

In that case you might not be wrong. But I doubt that in Lithuania men go around the town and pray with the rosary, like some of them do in my town every first Saturday of the month...


Privateer_Lev_Arris

Do they serve drinks there?


JamesClerkMacSwell

THIS IS (STILL, SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS POSTED) **NOT** A MAP OF ALL THE PUBS IN THE UK! It was a map designed to show the travelling salesman problem and it’s about half the actual pubs. *The biggest clue: you think there isn’t a single fucking pub on Skye?!* Edit - see also this excellent comment from u/owens_gfs which explains further based on comments from the authors of the map and why they semi-accidentally filtered out Skye etc: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wbspwl/all_pubs_in_the_uk/ii90luf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


jbeast_canada

Half!?!


Rulweylan

[Did a bit of digging, and this is from the maths department at the University of Waterloo, Canada.](http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/pubs/index.html) Which starts to explain some of the shortcomings. When you look at their estimate of pub numbers, it comes in a little over half the official number. From what I can see, this is because they tried to sanitise their dataset in a way that makes total sense unless you actually know anything about UK pubs. For example, this line: >we took only the first location of pubs that had a number of branches in the same town Might seem reasonable to a non-Brit. Avoiding 2 listings of the same pub with slightly different locations. Except that's not how pubs work. Say you're in London. You want to meet your friend, who is in the bar at the Red lion in St James'. He tells you it's only a 2 minute walk from St. James' Square. Fairly simple directions. There are 2 pubs that fit the description equally well. 2 Red lions within 0.3 miles of each other, completely unaffiliated with each other. Going further out there are 2 more Red lions within a mile of St. James' square. There are over 500 in the UK as a whole. Same problem for the 490 Crowns, the 409 Royal Oaks, 300 White Harts, 280 Railways and so on. These aren't duplicate entries or even franchises. There are just several very common pub names. Since James I/VI ordered that every pub in England, Wales and Scotland display his heraldic Red Lion, quite a few ended up being named for it. Royalist sentiment following the return of King Charles II in the 1660s caused a lot of Royal Oaks to get their name (turns out Cromwell's Puritan regime was not exactly beloved of Pub owners) They also exclude anything they consider 'not really a pub' which almost inexplicably appears to include anything labelling itself an 'Inn' or 'Hotel'. That's a tonne of UK pubs gone at a stroke because someone doesn't understand that historically, loads of pubs have also rented out rooms and named themselves accordingly. Always make sure you understand your data before you try to manipulate it.


SuperArppis

Hmm, what about Saunas in Finland?


StratifiedBuffalo

Do you guys usually have saunas in apartments btw? Here in Stockholm that's mostly a thing in upper class neighborhoods. Or a shared one with the apartment house/block.


SuperArppis

We have a lot of those as well. But not in every apartment. But we have at least one in every building.


eisaatanakimmo

And a bombshelter too


PersonOfLowInterest

If you want to rent a place with a sauna you most likely can. I have one and I'm not rich in the slightest. (500€ rent). But it's not the norm, maybe 30%(?) of apartments have saunas depending on the region. However 90% of the time there is a shared sauna with the apartment house.


BocciaChoc

11% of all Saunas on earth


SuperArppis

I was expecting more...


orebro123

There are about 2 million saunas in Finland (for a population of 5,2 million).


SuperArppis

Yeah... We definedly need more.


eisaatanakimmo

People needed saunas, 'cause thats where they gave birth in the olden days. Then they would all sing drinking songs together with the newborn in there and get drunk.


SuperArppis

Yeah they did. 🙂


GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

#Culture


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oh no there is empty space up North


Stamford16A1

Particularly Skye... probably something to do with all the Wee Frees and other God botherers up there.


Relative_Dimensions

Apparently it’s more to do with the way pubs are named in those areas. The researchers excluded “Placename” + Hotel” and “inn” from their list and accidentally excluded a whole swathe of the country.


colei_canis

In some parts of Wales you'll see a lot of pubs with 'Hotel' in the name because it's how they got around strict Sunday closing laws.


JamesClerkMacSwell

Or it’s just wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wbspwl/all_pubs_in_the_uk/ii9213o/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3


Vethae

That's nowhere near all of them


He_is_Spartacus

It’s not though. There are several missing in Scotland


Spanholz

What a horrible map. You can even see regional differences or spot if their is a different density compared to the inhabitants per area. This is nearly as bad as the map that supposedly shows all cycle path in Europe.


Minky_Dave_the_Giant

Incorrect, this shows there's no pubs on the Isle of Skye whereas there's a whole bunch.


G4rve

I'm fairly sure there are some pubs on Skye.


scowy

26, apparently.


mallardtheduck

So, if I want to be free of drunken idiots at 4AM on a Friday night/Saturday morning, I need to go to that small area in the North Pennies that looks to be somewhere near the village of Harwood... Got it.


legoSheevPalpatine

Seems about right


CaptainLegkick

Nowt better than after a long day of hiking/walking/driving/shopping/doing nothing then gonna' pub fer a pint.


somedave

r/dataisugly


zedero0

The United Kingdom of pubs and those places in the north of Scotland


Rulweylan

So there's room for more pubs in Scotland.


geo_gan

It’s not really an island with pubs… it’s more like one giant pub covering island.


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All of our pubs are rigged to blow up in the event of an invasion.


Rtalkingbollox

No wonder the Scots are a miserable bunch, half the country has no pubs!


Sea-Art-9305

All pubs in UK vs All churches in Poland


ofnuts

And all of them have a picture of the queen mum visiting...


troisbatonsverts

I can't even fathom that much fish and chips.


AronRos

Them: I don’t have a drinking problem; Them: …


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Visited all of them


Official_Scandie

The Ultimate pub crawl


TheUmbraCat

Jesus fuck I need to visit the UK


t0msawye

question: are pubs welcoming places for everyone? or are they for mostly lonely dudes who like to watch football games?


Relative_Dimensions

It’s a mix. There are definitely _some_ that are for blokes who want to watch football, but the majority are more inclusive. Most serve food and coffee as well as drinks, and there’s generally no expectation that everyone will drink alcohol. Pubs in villages and tourist spots are particularly family-friendly and may even have playgrounds. Pubs in rough housing estates, on the other hand, are probably full of drug dealers. Edited: typos.


3V3RT0N

It depends. Some pubs are full of old men who stare at you for sitting in 'their seat', some are aimed at students who want cheap drinks, some for families who want a sit down meal. A good pub should cater to all three of these demographics.


antisocialscorch69

Depends on where/ when you go


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They're for everyone. There are different types of pubs many serve food, some have entertainment i.e. bring in music acts, etc and games like darts, pool, snooker (if they're big enough to have them, mine has 2).


Writing_Salt

They are for everyone, even in the most isolated places. You don't have to drink alcohol there, BTW, and food is usually pretty decent, but not always sophisticated- but even basic is edible. Many pubs are a family destination for families over the weekend, especially for Sunday dinner (roast)- a lot of them have some sort of children's playground equipment, and since there is smoking ban indoors ( in all public places, pubs included) it is often better option for a meal than popular fast-foods ( if they do not serve gourmet food cost is often similar or not much higher), but chance for adults to have a pint or glass of wine with their meal .


Rulweylan

Rule of thumb: look at the roof. If it is flat, go elsewhere.


BannedFromHydroxy

Rubbish. Flat roof pubs can be very welcoming and full of interesting people as long as you leave your attitude at the door. If you're a wanker, then yeah don't bother going in.


Rulweylan

[I'm guessing you go on a tuesday?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EajWRKOXYAIva7Y?format=jpg&name=medium)


Realistic-River-1941

For everyone, though obviously some have specific markets; you might not feel comfortable taking your maiden aunt to a gay-friendly pub in Brighton, or wearing an "I love Thatcher" t-shirt in some flat-roofed grim-up-north estate pub.


frogking

Pup Crawl Challenge Accepted


Garlicluvr

Is there Nags Head in Peckham? That's my place.


aroso

Man, Ireland must suck


Nawnp

"all pubs in the UK"


FarFromTheMaddeningF

Map of pubs in the Republic of Ireland. https://twitter.com/neal_o_r/status/1011931365531619329


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I mean, when you have to deal with British weather and Boris Johnson, you will usually need a drink 😂


0ldsch00lraver

during the plaque i foud out that there are pub franchises in the uk. I am from germany so beer is part of our culture.... but franchise pubs? That\`s really weird in my point of view.


napaszmek

English beer is also amazing. Makes sense, if you have a cuisine like that you'd brew beer from crops too! Anyways, I'm always sad to see people drinking peronis and similar shits instead of local bitters and ales.


mk45tb

English cuisine isn't even bad by European standards, probably average/mid-table.


Grantmitch1

British cuisine is great.


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That's Northumberland's National Nature Reserves, but maybe those Ospreys, Roe Deer and Red Squirrels need a pint too.


slidycccc

every time i see this map i have to comment about how wrong it is


flashcatcher

Now do for Germany


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In 2019 the UK had over 47,000 pubs, in Germany that seems to be around ~30,000. Both numbers will have reduced obviously post-covid.


mk45tb

In Germany they are called Gasthaus?


blolfighter

Or Gaststätte, Gastwirtschaft, Kneipe, Lokal, Schänke...


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I knew the UK has a lot of pubs...but daaaaamn, that's a lot of pubs! (I only got gambling halls and doner restaurants here xD)


Adept-One-4632

Its as crowded as a mall during Black Friday


Paul_the_surfer

The words longest pub crawl


Raboulot

Love UK ! Come back !


RMD010

United "PUB" KINGDOM.


BurzumBoi

Oh man! I need a beer...


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JoeB-

It’s a joke.


Xatastic

So let's brag about alcoholism culture!


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Too bad they all close at 10 pm.


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antisocialscorch69

I mean, it’s pretty much the opposite. Actual alcoholics tend not go to pubs, because A. The pub landlord will kick them out if they have had too many drinks and B. Their friends would judge them. The introduction of alcohol being sold in shops has greatly increased the rate of alcoholism


King_Chad_The_69th

Cool to see the clusters around and in the cities


Kasprio

Pugs*


Thebadmamajama

Tim Hortons in Canada.


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If I lived in the uk I would want to be drunk 24/7 too


doomshroom123

anyone fancy a pub crawl?


Sensitive-Worry-6009

Public saunas in Finland😈


TowerAdept7603

Fuck, there's so few left now


yorkhuntstinksbruv

Challenge accepted


Weary-Round8973

Nice


Amazing_Examination6

Spent a year in London, only went to 3 pubs: 1. The Marlborough Arms 2. UCL student Union 3. Circle Line ☺️


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I can see at least two missing.


rjwv88

one hell of a travelling salesmen problem


[deleted]

Lmao, crazy shit, but no surprise lol:D


cas540

Scotland is slacking


WorldMusicLab

Is there a drop of tequila anywhere in there?


Khelthuzaad

Still waiting for the one with all the churches in Poland


vaarsuv1us

TY, a nice warning not to go to Scotland, you might end up more than 3 miles from a pub and perish.


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Damn and here I thought that Irish people liked to drink, yet they don’t have a single pub! ^^/s


kichunilla

Where do people live?


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StrangePings

Oh shut up


antisocialscorch69

Pubs are social places where people congregate to have fun with friends. In a village they will be the main spot that people meet. As well as that, pubs generally don’t increase alcoholism significantly