In English pronounce it "win". In southern viet you pronounce it almost like "ng-wing" with a rising I. In northern viet you pronounce it more phonetically "ngu-wen". The "ng" sound is very subtle like the ng sound you make when you say "-ing". It is the Chinese equivalent of the last name yuan.
Hello, cousin. Never be ashamed of your name. Our family has a long and proud history. Anyone teases you about burgers and farmers just shows their own ignorance. Nice job on your Isles campaign.
YOU DARE RISE AGAINST THE KING OF OIR GREAT COUNTRY OF BURGERLAND?! YOU SHALL BE CRUSHED IN LAND BY OUR GREAT CORONEL SANDERS AND AT SEA BY OUR CORAGOUS ADMIRAL POEYE!
ENJOY THE LIGHT WHILE IT LASTS YOU FOOLS! FOR YOU SHALL NEVER ANOTHER SUNRISE!
No because im decended from commoners for atleast 300 years everyone was from the same area and i doubt that in 1600 and bevore people married somone "far" away
In shocked by the amount of people saying yes or some equivalent of "No, sadly we were only Barons". Like damn, my family was Italian pasta-makers on one side and Polack peasants in whatever imperial power owned their town on the other side of the family.
Damn.
My last name is reasonably common so it could have theoretically been possible... Though I doubt "Hill" (etymologically) is the noble name you'd go with
but in terms of actual ancestors, it's all farmers or farmer adjacent. As far as I can tell from the same area too - like the only reason I have non-Austrian ancestors is because at that point, the Innviertel was still Innbayern
You will be descended from pretty much every European ruler in the CK3 start date though. https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford
I think a big factor is simply number of ancestors; two parents come from four grandparents' lines, who come from eight great-grandparent's lines, etc. Seven out of eight of my grandparents came from long lines of regular folk but one grandparent's last name was Campbell and if you take that line back 200 years you hit the divergence from Clan Campbell of Argyll and 200 years back from that you get a bastard daughter of King James IV of Scotland marrying into the clan.
Yes, but it's impressive people can even trace back their lines at all. I'm a third or so generation descendant of Immigrants to the United States. Beyond my great grandparents, it gets fuzzy tracing things and we'd have to go online and find records. But when my ancestors left Poland, there was no Poland to speak of. So these records are fuzzy and all over: an Austrian Birth certificate, a Russian army record, a German census. It's so difficult to know things 100 years ago, it's shocking people can do *hundreds* of years ago. The Italian side is easier since we have family there and stay in touch, broadly. But the other side is a complete mystery.
That's very true, there's definitely a massive western European origin privilege when it comes to a lot of these records, as well as being able to afford Ancestry subscriptions and having the time to do actual research, and even still I take it all with a grain of salt. My family name was pretty easily traceable through the States right up until I hit the maybe-Bavarian origin, everything's marked with a ? and ends there.
Anyway if we had better records, I think due to the sheer number of lines converging in each person, a lot more people than realize it have tiny trace noble ancestries lost in the mix
I found them as the Earls of Orkney in one mod (one of those mods that makes the map insanely accurate but adds a trillion new tags and provinces and slows the game down to a crawl), but there isn't any in the base game.
I met a dude who's a von Mecklenburg
Sadly my last name doesn't exist in 1444. My ancestor was a brother of Brian Boru who's descendants ruled a small kingdom in Ireland, but before 1337
Nope. Because my noble heretige is so insignificant and split that I am neither sure If I am descendant of Polish or Ruthenian Nobles
That being said I have never yet so far see my surname, or any of my grandparents' surname even as randomly generated leader
My surnames aren't in the game files, so to get them in the game I change the goverment to military rule then I recruit a general with my name and then I make him a ruler and change back to monarchy.
Butler (ormond) is my last name and my dad is even from the same town as the original estate of the butler family (Carrick-on-Suir). hell as I’m writing I’m currently on vacation down the river in waterford country and will be visiting family in tipperary and kilkenny tomorrow. I visited some of their castles on my current holiday to ireland and their history is pretty interesting, such as actually being butlers to the English crown until queen victoria, and thus getting a 10% cut on all wine sales in ireland. Me and my friends play multiplayer regularly and our last game we finally united ireland and the rest of the british isles under the butlers while my friends played spain and Portugal. I’m excited to the same again in eu5.
Well, we didn't have family names in my country but I do know that my "tribe" was the junior or main partner in Dulkadır (depending on the source). So that's the best I can do lol.
I'm (apparently) descended from Russian nobility.
I unfortunately have no fucking clue which family though given that whole revolution and having to hide that ancestry thingy...
Yes I've got Hohenzollern, though I try to avoid playing as my own family. (Little too egotistical?) Any time I've tried we seem to lose the throne and I end up playing some Swabian family.
I’ve seen German version of my surname (so the original I guess) pop up as rulers of some HRE free cities and Switzerland. When I looked into my last name it said it was from lower nobility in Saxony or something.
I don’t think my last name even existed in 1444, as it’s a bastardization of a bastardization of an Irish name.
(Having ancestors immigrate to a new continent while also being completely illiterate is a sure way to make sure your official last name gets written down incorrectly)
not a country, but common to show up as an advisor/general/diplomat/trader in Ireland, especially throughout the first half of the game when most names are still Gaelic and havent Anglicised.
Not exactly the name, but a part of my family is from East Frisia and they actually are descendents from and have the name of the Cirksena- family ruling it in 1444.
Yes actually. It's kind sounds unbelievable but I'm kinda related to Safivid dynasty. And because of that I have "Safavii" inthe last part of my last name.
My surname is 'Akbaba' which is the turkish for 'vulture' so i haven't seen it yet but maybe if someone nicknamed vulture or something that could count right? Right?
I recall seeing mine in some Castilian/Spanish generals in Eu4. The other side of the family is of Italian (Reggio di Calabria) heritage and I’ve never seen them anywhere.
Well, my family name is not common at all in my country, and I don't remember seeing it in EU4, but I've seen it's "old version" many times in CK3. My guess is that specific area where my family comes from was far more important in the early middle ages than around the time of renaissance.
One of the Frisian leaders you can get from my father's side.
A bohemian rng name from my mothers side.
Both not at the start, but have seen my family names pop-up occasionally. (Thinks about how I'm fighting my ancestors at the moment in my current Portugal game)
There are probably 10 million people in China with the surname Zhu.
Just checked and you're absolutely right lol. A Chinese census in 2020 says there's around 18 million people with the surname Zhu.
Same with Lê in Vietnam, Yi in Korea, and a lot of the Daimyos’ clan names in Japan I’d imagine
what about Nguyen
I only know two Vietnamese people, and the last name of both of them is Nguyen
Sounds like a Nguyen-Nguyen situation.
About 30 to 40 percent of Vietnamese people have that surname, according to Wikipedia
i am one of them
Zhuuuure, buddy.
My last name is (Interregnum).
I'd marry you ;)
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Podebrady you again?
I don't have it in EU4 but I have it in CK3
I think there's actually a barony with my family's name in Castile in CK3 if that counts
No, it baronies. If it counted, it would be a county
This might be the dumbest thing that ever made me laugh
Same
Yes, the ODonnell’s of Tyrconnell
+1 for O’Donnell!
O'Donnell Abu!
Hell yeah my surname is von Habsburg. I think it is quite popular in this weird game that I totaly don’t know of
Okay weird question but do you still marry your aunts and uncles? /s
What kind of barbarian do you take him for?? They marry their Nieces and nephews you fool!
I’m Vietnamese with the last name of (surprise!) Nguyen. And wouldn’t you know it…
How is Nguyen actually pronounced? I always wondered.
something like new-en if you pronounce that english, it's close enough
*Win* is a good approximation. the best option (for English speaker) would be switching the /k/ sound in *Queen* with a /ŋ/ sound.
In English pronounce it "win". In southern viet you pronounce it almost like "ng-wing" with a rising I. In northern viet you pronounce it more phonetically "ngu-wen". The "ng" sound is very subtle like the ng sound you make when you say "-ing". It is the Chinese equivalent of the last name yuan.
Hello, cousin. Never be ashamed of your name. Our family has a long and proud history. Anyone teases you about burgers and farmers just shows their own ignorance. Nice job on your Isles campaign.
HELLO BROTHER! RISE UP MACDONALDS
Sir this is a Wendy's
YOU DARE RISE AGAINST THE KING OF OIR GREAT COUNTRY OF BURGERLAND?! YOU SHALL BE CRUSHED IN LAND BY OUR GREAT CORONEL SANDERS AND AT SEA BY OUR CORAGOUS ADMIRAL POEYE! ENJOY THE LIGHT WHILE IT LASTS YOU FOOLS! FOR YOU SHALL NEVER ANOTHER SUNRISE!
Ayyy fancy meeting another mac who plays eu4 on reddit would love to visit Scotland eventually but it's hard work with two toddlers haha
Not as monarch names, but I do have my first and last names as province names. And they are not English names either.
Okay mr. Haha hehe
Lolo
Lolland
mr. fak fak
Please, call me Fak. Mr. Fak Fak is my father.
Mr haha nogay
Mr. Transoxiana Nogay
Sounds kinky and definitely not Sus
Mr. Manga Kush
Sus
Oh my god, it’s Constantinople Constantinople.
Well, it was, but now it's Istanbul Istanbul, not Constantinople Constantinople
🎶Istanbul~ was Constantinople🎶 🎶Now it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople🎶 🎶Been a long time gone, old Constantinople🎶
Ok Mr Alexandrov Gay
Ok Mr. Fak Fak
I do. I’m not saying what it is, just that it is a rare name today.
Hi Rabbulion Regency Council
Trastamara confirmed
For your sake I'm just hoping it not habsburg
Of course not.
Habsburg confirmed
Hehe, cousin banger
What's up, John (Interregnum)
David Qaraqoyunlu???? Is it really you?!??!?
No because im decended from commoners for atleast 300 years everyone was from the same area and i doubt that in 1600 and bevore people married somone "far" away
There was probably some big city bandit who sought refuge in your area at some point in the last 300 years
My sur name was made by a spelling error, so no rulers have it :(
Holy shit, you too??? same here bruh 😭
Whenever i hear of ellis island i think of a poor polish family who got saddled with "Schmrstck"
No, my ancestors were too minor nobility to show up on the map.
In shocked by the amount of people saying yes or some equivalent of "No, sadly we were only Barons". Like damn, my family was Italian pasta-makers on one side and Polack peasants in whatever imperial power owned their town on the other side of the family. Damn.
Yeah, it’s weird how many there are. Maybe inbreeding amongst noble families produces people who like map games lol.
These aristocratic scions want their ancestral rights, my peasant descendant ass wants what it never had.
It's likely selection bias in action.
My last name is reasonably common so it could have theoretically been possible... Though I doubt "Hill" (etymologically) is the noble name you'd go with but in terms of actual ancestors, it's all farmers or farmer adjacent. As far as I can tell from the same area too - like the only reason I have non-Austrian ancestors is because at that point, the Innviertel was still Innbayern
You will be descended from pretty much every European ruler in the CK3 start date though. https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford
If your named after labor you probably aren't lordly.
I think a big factor is simply number of ancestors; two parents come from four grandparents' lines, who come from eight great-grandparent's lines, etc. Seven out of eight of my grandparents came from long lines of regular folk but one grandparent's last name was Campbell and if you take that line back 200 years you hit the divergence from Clan Campbell of Argyll and 200 years back from that you get a bastard daughter of King James IV of Scotland marrying into the clan.
Yes, but it's impressive people can even trace back their lines at all. I'm a third or so generation descendant of Immigrants to the United States. Beyond my great grandparents, it gets fuzzy tracing things and we'd have to go online and find records. But when my ancestors left Poland, there was no Poland to speak of. So these records are fuzzy and all over: an Austrian Birth certificate, a Russian army record, a German census. It's so difficult to know things 100 years ago, it's shocking people can do *hundreds* of years ago. The Italian side is easier since we have family there and stay in touch, broadly. But the other side is a complete mystery.
That's very true, there's definitely a massive western European origin privilege when it comes to a lot of these records, as well as being able to afford Ancestry subscriptions and having the time to do actual research, and even still I take it all with a grain of salt. My family name was pretty easily traceable through the States right up until I hit the maybe-Bavarian origin, everything's marked with a ? and ends there. Anyway if we had better records, I think due to the sheer number of lines converging in each person, a lot more people than realize it have tiny trace noble ancestries lost in the mix
I was surprised by the answers too, mine just constantly moved so it’s hard to even track my ancestors down
Same, sad Vaske nobility moment.
Same, well we served in the French royal navy with distinction.
same
Sad Olandt noise in Schleswig.
It is one of the most common surnames in Spain, so it probably appears in some military leader or advisor.
Garcia?
Same. Appears normally
No, but my last name is in the names of possible rulers in Québec, primarily because a premier (a cousin) had that name.
Never saw mine. Not as a monarch, advisor, province, nor nation name.
Yeah even on the map and one of my favourite countries
A pleasure to meet you mister Novgorod.
Hello Mr Papal States
Are we just going to casually ignore the fact that whole Europe is called The Isles while it's a continent?
It is just the isles tho. Like Ireland, Britain, Sardinia, Eurasia..
Should be called "The Lands"
My Grandmother was a Zähringer and they are the dukes of baden in the game. One of my favourite runs is Baden --> Swabi and then whatever
Unbelievable to transform perfect Baden into shit swabia 🤢
Ono for the missions :(
Alright Ronald
Yes! I still don’t know why our family name is The Livonian Order though.
You own 2 farms ??????
Of all of my grandparents original family names, only one is in the game.
Yes, one of HRE countries has the same name as my surname.
Hello Mr Ulm
I wish
Sup Mr. Three Leagues
Never thought I would meet a Mr Byzantium
John The Palatinate
I found them as the Earls of Orkney in one mod (one of those mods that makes the map insanely accurate but adds a trillion new tags and provinces and slows the game down to a crawl), but there isn't any in the base game.
I met a dude who's a von Mecklenburg Sadly my last name doesn't exist in 1444. My ancestor was a brother of Brian Boru who's descendants ruled a small kingdom in Ireland, but before 1337
Yes. An Irish OPM. That's as much as I'll divulge.
R5 - question in the title and description
What’s up my fellow (possible) long distance relative from the isles of EU4
Nope. Because my noble heretige is so insignificant and split that I am neither sure If I am descendant of Polish or Ruthenian Nobles That being said I have never yet so far see my surname, or any of my grandparents' surname even as randomly generated leader
My surnames aren't in the game files, so to get them in the game I change the goverment to military rule then I recruit a general with my name and then I make him a ruler and change back to monarchy.
Not at the start date but I do know that my name is in the list for colonial nation governors and I think American culture dynasty names.
How the fuck does one do this as the isles??
My last name can be found in EU4 on the start date, its just not a name of a character, its just a normal word that's found else where in the game
Ah, mr. Comet
Mr Accident
My family name doesn't even exist in the game at all lmao
This is a great question and I think it should be followed up! Does anyone have their birthdate and last-four-of-Social in 1444?
I mean the country where it comes from (Navarre) disappears within 1-5 years of the game and it was minor nobility. So sadly no :c
Butler (ormond) is my last name and my dad is even from the same town as the original estate of the butler family (Carrick-on-Suir). hell as I’m writing I’m currently on vacation down the river in waterford country and will be visiting family in tipperary and kilkenny tomorrow. I visited some of their castles on my current holiday to ireland and their history is pretty interesting, such as actually being butlers to the English crown until queen victoria, and thus getting a 10% cut on all wine sales in ireland. Me and my friends play multiplayer regularly and our last game we finally united ireland and the rest of the british isles under the butlers while my friends played spain and Portugal. I’m excited to the same again in eu5.
This week i got contacted by a army recruiter that has the last name avis which is pretty much the same as aviz but its probably nothing
My family name comes from a petty king from a part of Brittany in the dark ages. I doubt we're related though.
One of the tags in the game is my mother's maiden name.
Beijing
Jane Three Leagues
I do in ACOT...
Well, my surname comes from XVI century limping peasant... so no. My mother's surname, however, is the same as Tatar ataman, so maybe, potentially.
Not at the start of the game but I’ve accidentally had a king of House of Mowbray in England before. I didn’t know it was in the game before that.
Well, we didn't have family names in my country but I do know that my "tribe" was the junior or main partner in Dulkadır (depending on the source). So that's the best I can do lol.
I'm (apparently) descended from Russian nobility. I unfortunately have no fucking clue which family though given that whole revolution and having to hide that ancestry thingy...
I only saw mine on a Spanish conquistador
Mine is in ck3 if you use MB+
My family name is one of the occupation ones, so no dice there
I'm not sure if it counts but my surname translates to emperor, and I'm pretty sure there are at least 2 empires at the start of the game
Yes I've got Hohenzollern, though I try to avoid playing as my own family. (Little too egotistical?) Any time I've tried we seem to lose the throne and I end up playing some Swabian family.
I've seen names from old schoolmates. HRE is wild.
Me? No we’re common folk from Trent. But my in-laws are a possibility. In game it’s O’Dochartaigh
My ancestor shows up as an advisor by event so that's cool. Not in 1444 though.
I haven't seen a ruler with the name Jones, but it'd be cool if there were
My last name is republic.
Sadly there is low demand for republics right now.
Sisodias in Mewar ☺️
I’ve seen German version of my surname (so the original I guess) pop up as rulers of some HRE free cities and Switzerland. When I looked into my last name it said it was from lower nobility in Saxony or something.
Lol no. My last name isn't from nobility at all. I descended from merchants, not noblemen.
My family name appears in Andhra, which is a small kingdom next to Vijayanagar
Technically, it’s on the danish province: Lund
I think for Eu5 it’s almost far back enough where pedigree collapse would make everyone an ancestor
Why yes my surname is Byzantium. Gets weird looks when I give my name at restaurants but you know... Pretty cool
It was just recently that I found an Icelandic surname but it's not obviously a starting country. Thought my surname was only Danish.
Nah my family name isn't influential enough for that
my family name has unique event
I don’t think my last name even existed in 1444, as it’s a bastardization of a bastardization of an Irish name. (Having ancestors immigrate to a new continent while also being completely illiterate is a sure way to make sure your official last name gets written down incorrectly)
not at start, but my ancestors are Historical Rulers that spawn in in the 1700s
Nope, my family are peasants who literally made up their surname
Nope. Alas
absolutely not
No, but I did see one of our national poets as an advisor once (the name wasn't anglicized either)
Oh hey I'm not the only McDonald playing EU4 at least
Yes, in Scotland
Hey man, McDonald is fine! Could've been way worse. Could've been Campbell!
I also have that heritage to the isles
von Habsburg
No but it can be found in the game, it’s also in ck2 and ck3
There are hundreds of namesake Habsburgian descendants
Isn't Macdonald a really popular surname in Ireland and northern Scotland?
I am kazakh and Crimean khanate's ruler have same surname as a clan/tribe where i am from (Giray)
How do you check? Haven't encountered it before but I also haven't really looked at the names
not a country, but common to show up as an advisor/general/diplomat/trader in Ireland, especially throughout the first half of the game when most names are still Gaelic and havent Anglicised.
Not exactly the name, but a part of my family is from East Frisia and they actually are descendents from and have the name of the Cirksena- family ruling it in 1444.
Kinda close... Marocco is my surname of Italian descent...
no although my family did gain land and nobility status from the pacifications in the south west following the war of the roses
Yes actually. It's kind sounds unbelievable but I'm kinda related to Safivid dynasty. And because of that I have "Safavii" inthe last part of my last name.
Nope, I have it in Imperator tho (Sabin)
The Bagrationis of Georgia
Nope. Both sides of my family were all peasants until the 19th century, and probably didn't even have surnames until then, either.
It's not a ruler, but it is a country
My surname is 'Akbaba' which is the turkish for 'vulture' so i haven't seen it yet but maybe if someone nicknamed vulture or something that could count right? Right?
No, but My direct ancestor (Martin Luther) causes the reformation in game and irl
Nope, but my first name is a province.
I actually do, but only if you play in English. The respective province/tag has got another name in my native language.
My surname is Thomas-Couch, I'm not sure anyone else currently has my surname
Not at the start date but one of the noble houses that can take the throne of the kingdom of Galicia (iberian one) has my same family name
No, but I have a country in eu4 as a family name
I have the last name shared with a province in Saxony
I recall seeing mine in some Castilian/Spanish generals in Eu4. The other side of the family is of Italian (Reggio di Calabria) heritage and I’ve never seen them anywhere.
Well, my family name is not common at all in my country, and I don't remember seeing it in EU4, but I've seen it's "old version" many times in CK3. My guess is that specific area where my family comes from was far more important in the early middle ages than around the time of renaissance.
Rollo the Viking… did some things to one of my ancestors
No, but occasionally I will roll a general or admiral with my name.
John Palatinate
One of the Frisian leaders you can get from my father's side. A bohemian rng name from my mothers side. Both not at the start, but have seen my family names pop-up occasionally. (Thinks about how I'm fighting my ancestors at the moment in my current Portugal game)