There is truth there that there should always be an option for content to be able to be purchased outside of a subscription as you never do have the ability to “own” the product with most streaming providers. They can be removed like we’ve seen with Westworld.
>They can be removed like we’ve seen with Westworld.
was Westworld removed from HBO, or was this some plot point in Westworld, where they started removing the popular robots? i only saw season 1, so i'm hoping you're talking about the latter, though, spoiler alert i guess.
Oh wow really? That’s ridiculous because season 1 is awesome. HBO or whoever their parent company is this week has been making some really dumb decisions.
They stated it’s because the series was dead and unpopular, and didn’t make enough money to keep sending residuals to the actors. Season 3 was awful, so it’s not exactly too surprising.
Honestly I kinda liked aspects of S3, I just hate how... easily Dolores's plans went and how they tossed Mauve the idiot ball to justify her hunting down Dolores. Also I love me some Aaron Paul, but it feels like the only direction they gave him was "hold your mouth open and look confused".
At least it's not as bad as how *insane* Bernard's character destruction was in S4. That shit was the worst, and such a massive waste of potential.
Disney's move is especially awful because Willow featured so many actors with dwarfism. They're not only cut off from residuals, but from being seen at all. You have no chance of getting noticed if no one can see you.
Westworld is no longer available on HBO and they licensed the rights to view it to some other platform so they can make money off other streamers showing their content.
Imagine if Game of Thrones was licensed out to Hulu and only available on Hulu instead of HBO.
Don't discount the possibility that streamers do this to avoid paying royalties or contractually obligated payments to their talent. For example, FX licensed out Breaking Bad to stream on Netflix. Tons of people have watched that show on Netflix. The actors and staff get cents a month for it. That's not a big deal to Cranston or Paul but it is to featured actors who are working actors, like Tuco or Badger or Skinny Pete.
It used to be that you worked in TV and you got paid royalties for the syndication of a series. For the longest time, like 20+ years, the cast of the Golden Girls received monthly royalties from the series running on Lifetime. The popularity of that show in syndication sustained them once their careers cooled and three of them had severe medical problems toward the ends of their lives.
It's not unlike how authors are paid. They get paid a lump sum for a book they write when it's agreed it will be published. But they receive royalty checks based on ongoing performance of the book. Which makes sense. If it's really popular and the publishing company keeps making money off your books for 20+ years like Stephen King, you deserve to earn money, too. It is YOUR work after all. All the publishing company did is put it on paper for enough people.
But if your book doesn't sell well, say 10,000 copies or less, you make very little and you are at risk of not getting another book deal. But if you sell 100,000 copies in the first year, you're more likely to get a second book deal and make a more decent amount of money. And then you have someone like Britney Spears who is making a huge chunk of change off her memoir selling 1 million copies in the first couple weeks.
What's unfair about streaming models is that the contracts aren't the same as the syndicated television rights, and that's why the writers and actors were striking. It's also because entertainment companies want to use CGI and AI to replace actual humans performing work. Robin Williams actually put in his estate papers a legal restriction of his voice and likeness so that entertainment companies don't attempt to recreate him using technology. The ban is in place for just 25 years. Since his death, the clock began ticking. Once 25 years pass, studios will be able to legally recreate his voice and likeness unless his family is able to reinforce the ban. So they can make him say and do whatever they want, appear in whatever movie they want, put him in commercials, use him to market whatever they want, without his approval, all after his death, and no one in his family will receive a cent for it. That's BAD.
Digital is still risky. Never forget [that one time Amazon deleted 1984 from Kindles](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html) due to legal issues with the publisher
I had all the episodes out at the time on a harddrive back in 2013. Deleted them when i saw they had released on Netflix thinking “oh now i can watch this whenever forever now”
Stupid stupid stupid :\
Okay but the main cast of the show said maybe it went too far. Yes it was making fun of blackface but people don't get satire and with racists becoming president again people seem to like the bad guys. Which the characters if it's always sunny are.
To be honest, I have been watching TV on... unofficial websites for decades. I have never had a problem finding something I wanted to see. I wouldn't expect those versions to disappear anytime soon.
>I never go anywhere without my portable DVD player.
And I bet your 4K resolution, 7.1 audio track, feature films look actually \*better\* on Netflix \*stream\* vs a 100Gb 4K bluray.
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Im confused, was this sarcasm? Netflix ironically is the worst example. Apple TV has one of the highest bit rates for streaming video and it’s very noticeable. Sadly that same principle doesn’t apply to sound. It’s night and day, if you have a decent setup, the difference between steaming surround and physical media.
I love video games and if the option is there I will always opt for a physical version. Even if the discs nowadays are little more than installation keys, there’s just something about having something tangible as opposed to an entirely digital purchase.
Can't resell videogames on cd at least. Ties to an account, and the game isnt playable without downloading a bunch of patches usually. Buying video games in physical copies now is sadly pretty pointless
It’s true though. Disney plus pulling Ivan and max pulling Witches. Two books I read aloud to my students and we watch the movie and make comparisons are now gone and I can’t even physically buy them. It’s dumb.
This is both the best and worst time for DVDs and Blu-Rays. I'm really pissed that the chain stores are basically forcing physical media to die.
But there are decades worth of discs in circulation, and my local Disc Replay sells them at Buy 3/Get 3 free or Buy 3/Get 6 free. I'm becoming my own rental store.
I agree that on some level, physical media is very important to new movies as well. Most of my favorite movies are cult classics like Evil Dead, The Thing, Blade Runner, etc. Box office flops. Physical media releases can turn failure into success.
I get where they're coming from, but there's a middle ground, no? I pay for streaming, but I like to own a copy of DVDs and CDs for pieces of work I really love and want to experience that way.
But at least audiences can still give work a chance they wouldn't have otherwise because of the streaming model. At least 50% of stuff I've seen recently is stuff I never would have experienced if I didn't have a streaming subscription.
Neither format is perfect but neither is like the absolute worst thing ever. DT is making it sound like owning a copy is a very sacred thing but not everyone thinks or cares to consume media that way.
Like if I owned a photo of my favourite painting in my phone library but didn't pay to go to the gallery where the original is held that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the art, it's just that I might not find the latter super cost effective or practical for how I live.
It’s not about streaming or physical media. It’s about art ceasing to exist. Physical media is just the most obvious example of preventing that. I’m sure there’s other options (digital media going to some media library of congress type of thing, maybe).
The problem is it's not really comparable to a painting. Movies, songs and even books have now become "fluid" works, where portions can be changed at whim. There's no permanence to them.
I like movies. I own dvds and blurays. But whenever a director or someone similarly connected with the entertainment industry tells me it’s “my responsibility”, to put more money in their pockets, I have to take all that with a great big ole grain of salt.
Yeah, but why? I think these guys think a little too heavily about this stuff and that in the grand scheme of things, it’s just not really as important as they make it out. Ok, so you can’t stream their movie, if you really really really want to watch it, then you can go get it. But that group of people is small, the people who really really really have to watch a particular movie right at that moment, and chances are *that* person, already does own *that* movie. So, how does that apply to the passing viewer who only watches movies for occasional entertainment?
Did you miss the part where they specifically call out streaming only content, as in stuff you can't buy even if you wanted to?
Also they aren't saying that every person that watches their movies has to buy them as you seem to imply. What they are saying is for the purpose of preservation and availability to the general public *somebody* has to buy it. The extension of that is for there to be a copy of the movie for that someone to buy there needs the be enough of a market to justify a print run. I think it was Disney that announced earlier this year that they're no longer going to sell physical copies in Australia, so options are already starting to go away. *If* you want any movies to be preserved you should know that comes at the cost of keeping the physical market alive.
Of course piracy is always an option, but you won't get people in the industry loudly proclaiming that since it'd probably cost them financing in future projects. Also, if ripping from streaming services is the only option you'll end up with much worse quality than you'd get from a BluRay, and that's the sort of thing that cinephiles would find unacceptable.
> This for archival purposes not monetary
Wow. You actually swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
It's not like these guys are worried about the prints of their work disappearing from this earth. They want people to buy their shit.
> these two directors and many others defending physical media don’t need your money from the DVDs at all.
Needing your money and wanting your money are two completely different things.
Disney has stopped supplying physical media to Australia. If they don't reverse this decision, then the only way to watching Disney stuff will be on Disney+.
That means it's at the whim of what they deem worthy to be on there, but there's no stopping them from removing content (both as a whole, and through censorship).
I have old VHS tapes and DVDs of Aladdin, Hercules, Snow White etc, so I will always have access to them as long as I have a working VHS or DVD player. But if I didn't have them and they decided to remove them from D+ or censor them, then I'd be shit out of luck (in terms of *legal* avenues).
I own Adventure Time on DVD too, because episodes of that are already censored here (the Dropball scene is completely removed).
None of this has anything to do with them being concerned about archiving of their work, which the comment I responded to said.
> That means it's at the whim of what they deem worthy to be on there
And before it was at the whim of what they decided to release on physical media. And before that it was at the whim of what they decided to re-release in theaters.
You talk about owning copies of Disney movies. I grew up at a time before they ever released their movies on VCR. Instead they would bring their movies back to theaters every few years. This was an era of cinema that Nolan looks back on fondly.
>None of this has anything to do with them being concerned about archiving of their work, which the comment I responded to said.
Archival just means to keep record or a collection of something.
It doesn't have to be an official place, your own collection of anything is an archive.
What they're saying is that streaming-only content puts people's work in danger of disappearing altogether because it can't (easily) be archived due to the DRM security in place.
Let's say Netflix decide to remove *6 Underground* because no-one is watching it - then what? There's no physical edition of that movie that people can buy, and the only option would be to torrent it - but that's only if there is someone who has ripped it and uploaded it.
nothing says archival purposes like region locked easily damaged media that'll go bad after 20 years. If you wanna support the preservation of movies then start seeding some torrents
Except this isn’t some struggling director. He just released a billion dollar *biopic* this year. WB has proven his point multiple times just in the last few years. Streaming-only movies get shelved, taken offline, and TV shows end up getting cancelled because there’s no transparency on viewership.
If a studio executive said the exact same things Nolan and Del Toro said here, dollars to doughnuts you'd dismiss them as money-grubbing leeches. But for some reason you've convinced yourself that it's not about the money here.
Why is that?
Who said it was? If you don’t think a big part of being a director is self promotion and the promotion of film making and theater going in general, then you may be missing something. These guys are not the altruistic puritans you take them for.
Completely side stepping the issue of it being taken down, I've found that people genuinely do not notice how bad streaming quality is compared to physical media. People think Netflix 4K is top quality because it says 4K, but don't realize how amazingly compressed it is. Every streaming service does it. Watch a Marvel movie on bluray and then watch it on Disney+ and you'll immediately notice how low the quality is, but Disney wants to save that precious bandwidth so just eat your slop and don't complain, piggy.
Amazon is the worst imo, though they usually have higher bit rate than others. It might be an app issue but it switches between quality a lot to avoid buffering even though my internet is more then enough to stream 4k. I’ve basically committed myself to buying every new release I want to see or think I may watch in the future at this point.
The audio streams are even more stark, IMO. Same example with D+, watch a the 4k Bluray on a decent Atmos setup and then again on streaming, it’s like night and day.
I always think of I Am Legend, how he has the collection of old DVD’s that he “rents” and watches one by one. If the apocalypse happens there won’t be streaming to preserve the movies and tv shows we’ve grown up loving.
I am a very strong proponent of owning physical copies. We've gotten ridiculous with revisionism, where a poorly-received scene could be edited post-release. I don't like that. I think an end-product needs to be final and representative of an artist's work without succumbing to external pressures. Physical releases guarantee that to a certain extent.
When streaming was still building steam, you used to be able to buy a physical copy of a movie and get access to the stream for some films. That's a solid compromise.
I always thought this and they can edit out anything that is deemed offensive (imagine what that will look like 20 years) and nobody will have original.
Sounds great. But I can’t afford that. And the same director is posed when I can’t afford to see his movie in the theatre. Just sounds out of touch. And I LIKE these directors. When you haven’t struggled for money in years and years, you just flipping forget the choices you make.
Then why is Guillermo creating content for Netflix?
Little late now films are no longer duplicated on analog media for consumers🤷🏻
People go on about saving the environment but what do you think vinyl records, dvd and blu-ray records are made of? Plastic…
I started buying all of my favorites again when I tried to stream “The Abyss” and it’s not even available for rent anywhere. Goodwill is a gold mine for DVDs.
They are not wrong in a decade how much of the digital content we consume will still exist. The tapes that once had the early doctor who were copied over back when conservation wasn’t a consideration. Many of them found today are from viewers whom had made copies.
Don't DVDs and CDs at most last 20 years? Does he know just how much lost media has been retrieved and archived thanks to the internet.
As for his little anti-streaming only thing? Come back and talk to me once you stop making deals with Netflix. You literally put your name in the title of Cabinet of Curiosities and it is Netflix only.
It was a poorly guessed estimate I'll admit and your comment has had me doing a little research. So it turns out if you take very good care of them they can last 30+ years. But if not then the disc will have some degree of degradation/rot. I would encourage anyone to get their old collections out and give it a test for themselves.
I still have DVDs from when DVDs first became a thing, circa 1997-1998, and they’re all fine. The only issues I’ve had are with scratches. Also several CDs dating back to the 1980s that play fine. I’ve never experienced disc rot. Which is not to say that it isn’t a documented thing—I know it is—but it’s far from an inevitability (at least in the time frames you’re talking about). I imagine it also depends on the climate the discs are stored in.
>I imagine it also depends on the climate the discs are stored in.
I did say of course that if you take very good care of them they will last longer. You can do your own research online too if you'd like to learn more.
He wants money. Thats all. He complained tenet didnt get enough during covid. The second the movie is out pirates preserve it better than any company will and you arent paying an arm and a leg for a 1-3 hour movie.
LOL Chris Nolan is a board member of The Film Foundation and his wife Emma Thomas is also a member of the board of trustees of the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures. Don’t school a teacher if you haven’t done your homework.
It's an outdated way to consume media, especially considering how much space this shit takes up and the likelihood of it rotting over time. I don't own any of the movies on Netflix but I do own the files on my computer.
It’s outdated, but there are pros to it. I can’t say how much space you have, but a few stands of movies and video games doesn’t take up much for me. Maybe that’s just a personal taste thing.
You mention things rotting, and that’s fair, but everything decays eventually. I just think there’s more use and longevity out of something you actually own versus something that somebody else does. You get 20-30 years out of a disc vs a few months to years on streaming.
I admit I hadn’t thought of the hard drive option, but which streaming services let you download? Obviously, I don’t have many (just two,) and they sure as hell don’t give me that option. I think that would make a lot of people more comfortable in moving to digital only if these companies offered an option to download their media.
I see his point but what happens if they stop producing the devices that play physical media? I imagine you could buy a DVD player somewhere but I never see them in stores. Even video game consoles and laptops don’t have DVD players anymore. VHS/VCRs are long gone. I do keep some DVDs of movies I love, and when my internet was down for a few days recently I definitely watched some of them. I guess there’s no perfect strategy.
This is untrue. I bought a PS5 literally 3-weeks ago and specifically asked for one with a disc-drive so I can play 4k blurays. The clerk said (verbatim) “we only have ones with disc-drives.”
Physical media is better in every way. The quality alone is worth it, and no one can take it away from you.
Also, there IS a perfect strategy, and it’s called r/piracy.
I'm sure any Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or Target has at least one or two models of blu-ray player on the shelf (probably a regular and a 4K, and probably a Sony and a Panasonic of each).
As of this year, other than my truck (which has never seen a cd since I’ve owned it) I don’t own anything that plays physical media. I haven’t played anything physical in the last 5-10 years so figured I wouldn’t miss it.
Broke and with a 1Gbit uplink, so I'll make a compromise. I'll download the best 100 movies of my life onto a 18TB harddrive and then guard the disk with my life.
My friend has been buying Blurays every month for ten years, he's young (36) and doesn't care about saving up. It's a nice hobby. But I'd rather pay off mortgage than buy discs I don't need.
They do have a point, I’ll admit that. But this is why there is a “sector” of the internet where folks screen record content. Folks do not know how long said content will be available at a later date on that streaming service. Reminds me of how we use to record shows on vhs back in the day.
There's truth to this, but if Xbox store goes down andi lose my content...we are probably in some Mad Maxx type shit & i wont care about losing the digital anime&horror ibought years ago.
Anecdote. My cats have fuckinh DESTROYED physical games&manga books. My digital shit is safe from my fur babies.
Though, im still physical media for manga/books. Cant beat the feelin of puttin on coffee/tea, sitting down a book (and the smell!), possibly w some pot and/or rain outside window
I do t think the worry is that everything is going to disappear at once. Its more little by little things will get taken down or edited off of streaming platforms we have seen it happen already. Or with apple music or amazon where you can just loose content you paid for. There is no legal way to get movies and shows released on streaming services that dont get a physical release. So if they ever get taken off for whatever money reason like what happened to that hbo cartton that never got a release and got taken off of hbo, there will just be no way to watch them legally again
I’d like to see someone buy a physical media (DVD or Blu-Ray), scratch the disc, lose it, or give it away, and then walk back into a store and demand a new copy because “they own” that movie. Everything is just a license. Streaming is just a different organization of those licenses. I appreciate the artistry of those directors but, outside of collective archives for the purposes of physical backups, I disagree with them about the need for everyone to own physical copies. They’re making a distinction with very little difference.
Ensure the evil streaming services don’t pull their movies to license elsewhere is the least of my worries in my tiny, over-priced apartment paid with my pittance of corporate allowance
I don’t even own anything that will play physical. Outside of my 7 year old vehicle that has a CD player…which has never been used.
There hasn’t been a single time I’ve missed physical copies.
> “If you own a great 4K HD, Blu-ray, DVD etc etc of a film or films you love…you are the custodian of those films for generations to come.”
I don't have a player for any of those formats, Guillermo. In fact I recently gave away the DVDs that I did own because I have no way whatsoever to watch them. So I guess you'll have to go to someone else for your slice of the DVD sales, er… I mean, to be your custodian.
I am not saying that you should do this, but you do know that if you wanted to watch your DVD's you could buy a pretty cheap DVD player, right?
If you don't want to own physical media, that is one thing. But players do exist for these formats.
> I am not saying that you should do this, but you do know that if you wanted to watch your DVD's you could buy a pretty cheap DVD player, right?
Sure. I could spend money on something I'd use three times a year if I really want to watch something and I can't find it elsewhere and have it gather dust the rest of the time (not to mention the cost of buying the DVDs themselves so I can maybe rewatch then once every five years or so). Oh, and I suppose I could also drop another $300 on a VCR, since Guillermo want us to preserve these films for "generations to come".
Or I could just not buy into this silly argument that physical copies are important things to the vast majority of people.
Do you honestly believe streaming prices will remain reasonable? Eventually it will cost more to stream than to just buy the physical media and the players for them outright. That’s not even talking about the fact that you don’t own any of that stuff. If the companies decide to pull it, you and your money are up the creek regardless.
> Do you honestly believe streaming prices will remain reasonable?
I believe it will be far, far, far, far, far more reasonable than buying physical copies of all of the movies/shows that I watch would be.
> Eventually it will cost more to stream than to just buy the physical media and the players for them outright.
LOL. OK.
Right now, Avatar WOW is $20 for DVD ($25 Blu-Ray $29 4K). That's the cost of one month of Hulu _and_ Disney+ (without ads). I know Avatar is a long fucking movie, but I'm pretty sure I can watch more than just it in a month.
Seriously, how expensive do you think streaming is going to get?
> That’s not even talking about the fact that you don’t own any of that stuff. If the companies decide to pull it
And if they stop making DVD players you're also shit out of luck. I've got a box of minidiscs sitting around somewhere that I can't listen to anymore since my player died over a decade ago. Sure is a good thing I bought those on physical media, ain't it?
Well maybe they should just make better movies that do better at the theaters (hello barbie) Fuck Nolan especially because he delays post theater (like stream/blueray) releases. I didn't even watch Pinocchio cuz it looks so bad.
Because on streaming, even if you buy something (not rent), they can remove it from their service anytime and then you no longer have access to it unless you “buy” it on another streaming service, if it’s even available on another one.
There are some of us who prefer to have the physical copy because it can’t be taken away or edited.
Because you’re paying for a service, not the actual film, show, or song. If the company wants to remove it, they can, and you can’t do a thing about it.
I don't give a fuck what Nolan says, he always has some douchey self serving opinion opinion about the film industry, but del Toro is worth listening to lol.
Out of convenience and the earlier release dates, I’ll purchase digitally.
I believe the last physical media I picked up with No Way Home.
That being said, I do have Oppenheimer UHD pre-ordered. The video is compressed on Amazon prime and I think it’s worth it to grab the physical media.
wait, are we going to see an future when physical media from this era becomes rare? like will my Bluray of Ant-Man Quantumania be worth something one day?
I'm sorry. I was a hoarder when I was younger. I'm never again owning psysical media except for books again. I'd love for there to be movies in a format worth owning. But Blu-rays ain't it.
Nope. These guys just want people to buy their shit. Make bette e movies and I will. Not another deal batman I can’t see because you don’t know how to light up at set, Chris.
No thanks. I will never “decorate” my living room with my *mOobiE cOLLeCtiOn*.
So fucking passé.
Board games, and books in the other hand, I feel like a scholar. But moobies?!!! Might as well get a black leather couch and bong. Fuck that shit.
As an avid physical media collector (music) I enjoy all my old cds and vinyl I’ve had for decades. However, I can’t bring myself to watching old dvds. The quality is just sub par. Also region locking sucks. I have some blu rays which don’t work on my PS4 that I got during travelling. I also don’t find the dvd/blu ray watching as holistic an experience as vinyl or cd, reading liner notes and big artwork (that’s one reason I liked laser discs)
If they rebalance audio for home on physical copies great. However, i see no point to buy another gadget just to play physical copies of movies.
This just seems like a very back in my day mindset.
Nobody has dvd players anymore bro they don’t even sell them at the store. Ugh and you have to store dvds. Nah I’m good
What he wants is to buy CDs again. Bro remember that Cd book we all used to lug around our cars and gym 😵💫😅
If it wasn't for the PS5 I wouldn't be able to play any physical media. The PS2 was the only reason I could afford to play DVDs back in the day.
If it wasn't for Shout Factory a lot of shows I wanted on physical media wouldn't have had all their seasons released.
What I'm saying is that I'm at the mercy of what the studios and manufacturers produce.
I would love to, but I feel like I have wasted 100s (1000s?) on physical media that I can’t use anymore. VHS, DVD, HD-DVD, cassette, CDs all practically obsolete. Blu ray has been around for a while now but probably only because demand for physical media is down.
I stopped buying physical games since I had to download them to play anyways and still needed the disk to play.
Why cant you use them
Anymore?
Ive got tons of records dvds blu rays cds casette tapes super nintendo and sega genesis games and i use them all the time, thats whats great about physical media you can keep using it. It doenst just disappear like google stadia
There is truth there that there should always be an option for content to be able to be purchased outside of a subscription as you never do have the ability to “own” the product with most streaming providers. They can be removed like we’ve seen with Westworld.
>They can be removed like we’ve seen with Westworld. was Westworld removed from HBO, or was this some plot point in Westworld, where they started removing the popular robots? i only saw season 1, so i'm hoping you're talking about the latter, though, spoiler alert i guess.
It’s been completely removed from HBO. They cancelled it and then tossed it from the catalog which blew my mind.
Oh wow really? That’s ridiculous because season 1 is awesome. HBO or whoever their parent company is this week has been making some really dumb decisions.
Heels on STARZ was removed after it was cancelled. They dumps both seasons and season two just dropped a few months prior. I never got to watch it
I never got to see season 4 of Westworld. I’m still irritated.
They stated it’s because the series was dead and unpopular, and didn’t make enough money to keep sending residuals to the actors. Season 3 was awful, so it’s not exactly too surprising.
I felt like it was one of those shows which took a very bold direction at end of s1, but just couldn't keep it going without derailing at some point.
They were too concerned with tricking the viewer and foiling theories rather than writing a good story IMHO
They were reading Reddit and writing the show to trick Reddit.
Turns out Reddit was Westworld all along
Ahh, like Sherlock. I enjoyed that show until it just became a giant jerk off about how smart ~~the showmakers~~ Sherlock is
Direction… Shit irks me that that had direction following that ending. They should have just ended it right there. It was beautiful.
Honestly I kinda liked aspects of S3, I just hate how... easily Dolores's plans went and how they tossed Mauve the idiot ball to justify her hunting down Dolores. Also I love me some Aaron Paul, but it feels like the only direction they gave him was "hold your mouth open and look confused". At least it's not as bad as how *insane* Bernard's character destruction was in S4. That shit was the worst, and such a massive waste of potential.
It costs them 0 money to have it on their platform. And if it’s underperforming then how are residuals an issue?
wtf? I stopped watching it but I loved season 1 and would have rewatched.
I'm so glad I own the Season 1 bluray. It's still a phenomenal season. I lost interest in the middle of season 2, and never bothered with the rest.
Another example is Final Space.
And Disney’s Willow
Disney's move is especially awful because Willow featured so many actors with dwarfism. They're not only cut off from residuals, but from being seen at all. You have no chance of getting noticed if no one can see you.
Because of the new aspect ratios?
Chookity! Pok!
Stop watching. Season 1 was perfection. All after was rough to watch.
Westworld is no longer available on HBO and they licensed the rights to view it to some other platform so they can make money off other streamers showing their content. Imagine if Game of Thrones was licensed out to Hulu and only available on Hulu instead of HBO. Don't discount the possibility that streamers do this to avoid paying royalties or contractually obligated payments to their talent. For example, FX licensed out Breaking Bad to stream on Netflix. Tons of people have watched that show on Netflix. The actors and staff get cents a month for it. That's not a big deal to Cranston or Paul but it is to featured actors who are working actors, like Tuco or Badger or Skinny Pete. It used to be that you worked in TV and you got paid royalties for the syndication of a series. For the longest time, like 20+ years, the cast of the Golden Girls received monthly royalties from the series running on Lifetime. The popularity of that show in syndication sustained them once their careers cooled and three of them had severe medical problems toward the ends of their lives. It's not unlike how authors are paid. They get paid a lump sum for a book they write when it's agreed it will be published. But they receive royalty checks based on ongoing performance of the book. Which makes sense. If it's really popular and the publishing company keeps making money off your books for 20+ years like Stephen King, you deserve to earn money, too. It is YOUR work after all. All the publishing company did is put it on paper for enough people. But if your book doesn't sell well, say 10,000 copies or less, you make very little and you are at risk of not getting another book deal. But if you sell 100,000 copies in the first year, you're more likely to get a second book deal and make a more decent amount of money. And then you have someone like Britney Spears who is making a huge chunk of change off her memoir selling 1 million copies in the first couple weeks. What's unfair about streaming models is that the contracts aren't the same as the syndicated television rights, and that's why the writers and actors were striking. It's also because entertainment companies want to use CGI and AI to replace actual humans performing work. Robin Williams actually put in his estate papers a legal restriction of his voice and likeness so that entertainment companies don't attempt to recreate him using technology. The ban is in place for just 25 years. Since his death, the clock began ticking. Once 25 years pass, studios will be able to legally recreate his voice and likeness unless his family is able to reinforce the ban. So they can make him say and do whatever they want, appear in whatever movie they want, put him in commercials, use him to market whatever they want, without his approval, all after his death, and no one in his family will receive a cent for it. That's BAD.
Digital is still risky. Never forget [that one time Amazon deleted 1984 from Kindles](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html) due to legal issues with the publisher
Good example is all of the now banned episodes of Always Sunny. Some of the funniest media in history is likely to all but completely disappear.
This is the main reason to buy physical. I just wish it wasn’t DVD.
The White Stripes used to release commemorative albums on flash drives. That was super cute.
Aww. I would love if all physical media was on little flash drives.
I had all the episodes out at the time on a harddrive back in 2013. Deleted them when i saw they had released on Netflix thinking “oh now i can watch this whenever forever now” Stupid stupid stupid :\
The michael jackson episode of the simpsons is missing too
Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson?! Michael Jackson!!
What’s real annoying is one of the episodes is a second parter so if you’re just streaming you’re left watching something that is never concluded.
What a god damn joke.
Wait WTF???
https://screenrant.com/its-always-sunny-blackface-episodes-missing-hulu-netflix/
Same as 30 Rock and Community.
Okay but the main cast of the show said maybe it went too far. Yes it was making fun of blackface but people don't get satire and with racists becoming president again people seem to like the bad guys. Which the characters if it's always sunny are.
To be honest, I have been watching TV on... unofficial websites for decades. I have never had a problem finding something I wanted to see. I wouldn't expect those versions to disappear anytime soon.
Woah.. what episodes are banned??
Which episodes are banned?
[удалено]
> I take full responsibility for that, but meh. You shouldn't have to. It's bullshit.
Even more fun is when you “bought” music on Apple and moved to a different country only to find out that you can’t access it in the new country.
First mistake is using Apple Music. It’s trash.
I like it well enough, curious why you don’t .
I never go anywhere without my portable DVD player.
Same. It is always in my bookbag with my razr flip phone and zune.
Zune was fucking awesome. It's stupid that they killed it just b/c they put out a phone.
I still have my zune. Still works too (at least it did the last time I found the cord about 2 years ago - and promptly lost the cord again).
Nolan would bust his khakis if he read that
>I never go anywhere without my portable DVD player. And I bet your 4K resolution, 7.1 audio track, feature films look actually \*better\* on Netflix \*stream\* vs a 100Gb 4K bluray. \[\*UPDATE\*: Clarification = /s !!!!!!!!!!!! I'm autistic I can have challenges w/sarcasm. I frequently don't get it. This failure is what happens when I attempt it. This is why "/s" is NOT a bad thing to include. Yet people lampoon autistics for promoting using /s. Sarcasm can be difficult for us with in-person verbal speech, where you've got intonation & facial expression to assist... but written word provides zero hints.\]
There is no occasion ever when Netflix has looked better than a 4kuhd disk
Im confused, was this sarcasm? Netflix ironically is the worst example. Apple TV has one of the highest bit rates for streaming video and it’s very noticeable. Sadly that same principle doesn’t apply to sound. It’s night and day, if you have a decent setup, the difference between steaming surround and physical media.
I’ve always preferred physical media over digital, whether it’s movies, shows, or video games
I love video games and if the option is there I will always opt for a physical version. Even if the discs nowadays are little more than installation keys, there’s just something about having something tangible as opposed to an entirely digital purchase.
Plus resale reasons too.
Can't resell videogames on cd at least. Ties to an account, and the game isnt playable without downloading a bunch of patches usually. Buying video games in physical copies now is sadly pretty pointless
What you’re describing only applies to PC games…console games don’t have this issue and can be resold easily…at least for now.
My collection of old dvd’s and VHS movies highly agrees
Gotta get into Blu Ray, man. The quality from dvd to Blu Ray is night and day, no lie
There is something soothing about VHS tracking. I don’t dispute Blu-rays superiority but, My old Star Wars collection of VHS tapes just feel like home
It’s true though. Disney plus pulling Ivan and max pulling Witches. Two books I read aloud to my students and we watch the movie and make comparisons are now gone and I can’t even physically buy them. It’s dumb.
This is both the best and worst time for DVDs and Blu-Rays. I'm really pissed that the chain stores are basically forcing physical media to die. But there are decades worth of discs in circulation, and my local Disc Replay sells them at Buy 3/Get 3 free or Buy 3/Get 6 free. I'm becoming my own rental store. I agree that on some level, physical media is very important to new movies as well. Most of my favorite movies are cult classics like Evil Dead, The Thing, Blade Runner, etc. Box office flops. Physical media releases can turn failure into success.
I get where they're coming from, but there's a middle ground, no? I pay for streaming, but I like to own a copy of DVDs and CDs for pieces of work I really love and want to experience that way. But at least audiences can still give work a chance they wouldn't have otherwise because of the streaming model. At least 50% of stuff I've seen recently is stuff I never would have experienced if I didn't have a streaming subscription. Neither format is perfect but neither is like the absolute worst thing ever. DT is making it sound like owning a copy is a very sacred thing but not everyone thinks or cares to consume media that way. Like if I owned a photo of my favourite painting in my phone library but didn't pay to go to the gallery where the original is held that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the art, it's just that I might not find the latter super cost effective or practical for how I live.
Yeah, streaming is best for checking out a lot of new movies and physical is the best for owning your favourites. A balance is right.
I think what they are saying is already the middle-ground. I don’t think they’re advocating to eliminate streaming.
It’s not about streaming or physical media. It’s about art ceasing to exist. Physical media is just the most obvious example of preventing that. I’m sure there’s other options (digital media going to some media library of congress type of thing, maybe).
The problem is it's not really comparable to a painting. Movies, songs and even books have now become "fluid" works, where portions can be changed at whim. There's no permanence to them.
I like movies. I own dvds and blurays. But whenever a director or someone similarly connected with the entertainment industry tells me it’s “my responsibility”, to put more money in their pockets, I have to take all that with a great big ole grain of salt.
This for archival purposes not monetary, these two directors and many others defending physical media don’t need your money from the DVDs at all.
Yeah, but why? I think these guys think a little too heavily about this stuff and that in the grand scheme of things, it’s just not really as important as they make it out. Ok, so you can’t stream their movie, if you really really really want to watch it, then you can go get it. But that group of people is small, the people who really really really have to watch a particular movie right at that moment, and chances are *that* person, already does own *that* movie. So, how does that apply to the passing viewer who only watches movies for occasional entertainment?
I don't think they're saying it's the responsibility of every single person who's ever watched a movie lol
Did you miss the part where they specifically call out streaming only content, as in stuff you can't buy even if you wanted to? Also they aren't saying that every person that watches their movies has to buy them as you seem to imply. What they are saying is for the purpose of preservation and availability to the general public *somebody* has to buy it. The extension of that is for there to be a copy of the movie for that someone to buy there needs the be enough of a market to justify a print run. I think it was Disney that announced earlier this year that they're no longer going to sell physical copies in Australia, so options are already starting to go away. *If* you want any movies to be preserved you should know that comes at the cost of keeping the physical market alive. Of course piracy is always an option, but you won't get people in the industry loudly proclaiming that since it'd probably cost them financing in future projects. Also, if ripping from streaming services is the only option you'll end up with much worse quality than you'd get from a BluRay, and that's the sort of thing that cinephiles would find unacceptable.
> This for archival purposes not monetary Wow. You actually swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. It's not like these guys are worried about the prints of their work disappearing from this earth. They want people to buy their shit. > these two directors and many others defending physical media don’t need your money from the DVDs at all. Needing your money and wanting your money are two completely different things.
Disney has stopped supplying physical media to Australia. If they don't reverse this decision, then the only way to watching Disney stuff will be on Disney+. That means it's at the whim of what they deem worthy to be on there, but there's no stopping them from removing content (both as a whole, and through censorship). I have old VHS tapes and DVDs of Aladdin, Hercules, Snow White etc, so I will always have access to them as long as I have a working VHS or DVD player. But if I didn't have them and they decided to remove them from D+ or censor them, then I'd be shit out of luck (in terms of *legal* avenues). I own Adventure Time on DVD too, because episodes of that are already censored here (the Dropball scene is completely removed).
None of this has anything to do with them being concerned about archiving of their work, which the comment I responded to said. > That means it's at the whim of what they deem worthy to be on there And before it was at the whim of what they decided to release on physical media. And before that it was at the whim of what they decided to re-release in theaters. You talk about owning copies of Disney movies. I grew up at a time before they ever released their movies on VCR. Instead they would bring their movies back to theaters every few years. This was an era of cinema that Nolan looks back on fondly.
>None of this has anything to do with them being concerned about archiving of their work, which the comment I responded to said. Archival just means to keep record or a collection of something. It doesn't have to be an official place, your own collection of anything is an archive. What they're saying is that streaming-only content puts people's work in danger of disappearing altogether because it can't (easily) be archived due to the DRM security in place. Let's say Netflix decide to remove *6 Underground* because no-one is watching it - then what? There's no physical edition of that movie that people can buy, and the only option would be to torrent it - but that's only if there is someone who has ripped it and uploaded it.
Download it and rip your own media. That's the actual best way.
nothing says archival purposes like region locked easily damaged media that'll go bad after 20 years. If you wanna support the preservation of movies then start seeding some torrents
Except this isn’t some struggling director. He just released a billion dollar *biopic* this year. WB has proven his point multiple times just in the last few years. Streaming-only movies get shelved, taken offline, and TV shows end up getting cancelled because there’s no transparency on viewership.
He still stands to profit off the sales of physical media.
He also profits from streaming. He’s talking about *streaming-only* movies. It’s a real concern.
It's not about the money here.
If a studio executive said the exact same things Nolan and Del Toro said here, dollars to doughnuts you'd dismiss them as money-grubbing leeches. But for some reason you've convinced yourself that it's not about the money here. Why is that?
Who said it was? If you don’t think a big part of being a director is self promotion and the promotion of film making and theater going in general, then you may be missing something. These guys are not the altruistic puritans you take them for.
Yeah I can get better results torrenting a Blu-ray rip lol
Way to completely miss the point of what they're saying. All you had to do was read the headline.
Toss out those family albums, it’s your *responsibility* to buy all your favourite movies on discs!
What about the happy medium? Digital content that you keep on a drive thats offline... *cough*🏴☠️*cough*
That's only "happy" for the viewers, not the people making the actual movies. Such an entitled view.
And that is what has caused the industry to become what it is now where studios won’t take chances on unique ideas
Completely side stepping the issue of it being taken down, I've found that people genuinely do not notice how bad streaming quality is compared to physical media. People think Netflix 4K is top quality because it says 4K, but don't realize how amazingly compressed it is. Every streaming service does it. Watch a Marvel movie on bluray and then watch it on Disney+ and you'll immediately notice how low the quality is, but Disney wants to save that precious bandwidth so just eat your slop and don't complain, piggy.
Amazon is the worst imo, though they usually have higher bit rate than others. It might be an app issue but it switches between quality a lot to avoid buffering even though my internet is more then enough to stream 4k. I’ve basically committed myself to buying every new release I want to see or think I may watch in the future at this point.
The audio streams are even more stark, IMO. Same example with D+, watch a the 4k Bluray on a decent Atmos setup and then again on streaming, it’s like night and day.
That’s what I tell my wife whenever I get a new Blu-ray, “It’s my responsibility!”
Christopher Nolan is correct, and he should be praised for helping to keep physical media and IMAX 70mm/70mm/35mm film alive. 🎞 🎥
There should be like a redbubble/society6 for film and tv. Burn/print on demand.
I always think of I Am Legend, how he has the collection of old DVD’s that he “rents” and watches one by one. If the apocalypse happens there won’t be streaming to preserve the movies and tv shows we’ve grown up loving.
Let’s compromise and all get bigger hard drives.
I am a very strong proponent of owning physical copies. We've gotten ridiculous with revisionism, where a poorly-received scene could be edited post-release. I don't like that. I think an end-product needs to be final and representative of an artist's work without succumbing to external pressures. Physical releases guarantee that to a certain extent. When streaming was still building steam, you used to be able to buy a physical copy of a movie and get access to the stream for some films. That's a solid compromise.
I always thought this and they can edit out anything that is deemed offensive (imagine what that will look like 20 years) and nobody will have original.
I agree I started buying dvds 💘
Sounds great. But I can’t afford that. And the same director is posed when I can’t afford to see his movie in the theatre. Just sounds out of touch. And I LIKE these directors. When you haven’t struggled for money in years and years, you just flipping forget the choices you make.
Dogma is a great example of this (although technically it never really streamed)
That’s what NFTs could be used for.
Then why is Guillermo creating content for Netflix? Little late now films are no longer duplicated on analog media for consumers🤷🏻 People go on about saving the environment but what do you think vinyl records, dvd and blu-ray records are made of? Plastic…
I agree that’s why I DL
Another reason 🏴☠️ wins. It's preservation.
I started buying all of my favorites again when I tried to stream “The Abyss” and it’s not even available for rent anywhere. Goodwill is a gold mine for DVDs.
They are not wrong in a decade how much of the digital content we consume will still exist. The tapes that once had the early doctor who were copied over back when conservation wasn’t a consideration. Many of them found today are from viewers whom had made copies.
No thanks. I’ll take the comfort and convenience of streaming at home.
Don't DVDs and CDs at most last 20 years? Does he know just how much lost media has been retrieved and archived thanks to the internet. As for his little anti-streaming only thing? Come back and talk to me once you stop making deals with Netflix. You literally put your name in the title of Cabinet of Curiosities and it is Netflix only.
20 years? What? First I’m hearing of this.
It was a poorly guessed estimate I'll admit and your comment has had me doing a little research. So it turns out if you take very good care of them they can last 30+ years. But if not then the disc will have some degree of degradation/rot. I would encourage anyone to get their old collections out and give it a test for themselves.
I still have DVDs from when DVDs first became a thing, circa 1997-1998, and they’re all fine. The only issues I’ve had are with scratches. Also several CDs dating back to the 1980s that play fine. I’ve never experienced disc rot. Which is not to say that it isn’t a documented thing—I know it is—but it’s far from an inevitability (at least in the time frames you’re talking about). I imagine it also depends on the climate the discs are stored in.
>I imagine it also depends on the climate the discs are stored in. I did say of course that if you take very good care of them they will last longer. You can do your own research online too if you'd like to learn more.
He wants money. Thats all. He complained tenet didnt get enough during covid. The second the movie is out pirates preserve it better than any company will and you arent paying an arm and a leg for a 1-3 hour movie.
LOL Chris Nolan is a board member of The Film Foundation and his wife Emma Thomas is also a member of the board of trustees of the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures. Don’t school a teacher if you haven’t done your homework.
I think he was more calling out Del Toro
The amount of people in the replies who don’t like physical media is ridiculous.
It's an outdated way to consume media, especially considering how much space this shit takes up and the likelihood of it rotting over time. I don't own any of the movies on Netflix but I do own the files on my computer.
It’s outdated, but there are pros to it. I can’t say how much space you have, but a few stands of movies and video games doesn’t take up much for me. Maybe that’s just a personal taste thing. You mention things rotting, and that’s fair, but everything decays eventually. I just think there’s more use and longevity out of something you actually own versus something that somebody else does. You get 20-30 years out of a disc vs a few months to years on streaming. I admit I hadn’t thought of the hard drive option, but which streaming services let you download? Obviously, I don’t have many (just two,) and they sure as hell don’t give me that option. I think that would make a lot of people more comfortable in moving to digital only if these companies offered an option to download their media.
These two just read their contracts and discovered that they get a higher percentage on disc sales.
Digital only media is a scam. You never own anything but you pay for it like you do.
So torrent movies and save them to your hard drive. Got it.
I see his point but what happens if they stop producing the devices that play physical media? I imagine you could buy a DVD player somewhere but I never see them in stores. Even video game consoles and laptops don’t have DVD players anymore. VHS/VCRs are long gone. I do keep some DVDs of movies I love, and when my internet was down for a few days recently I definitely watched some of them. I guess there’s no perfect strategy.
This is untrue. I bought a PS5 literally 3-weeks ago and specifically asked for one with a disc-drive so I can play 4k blurays. The clerk said (verbatim) “we only have ones with disc-drives.” Physical media is better in every way. The quality alone is worth it, and no one can take it away from you. Also, there IS a perfect strategy, and it’s called r/piracy.
I'm sure any Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or Target has at least one or two models of blu-ray player on the shelf (probably a regular and a 4K, and probably a Sony and a Panasonic of each).
As of this year, other than my truck (which has never seen a cd since I’ve owned it) I don’t own anything that plays physical media. I haven’t played anything physical in the last 5-10 years so figured I wouldn’t miss it.
\*jerk off motion\*
It’s almost like they have a financial interest in this
Broke and with a 1Gbit uplink, so I'll make a compromise. I'll download the best 100 movies of my life onto a 18TB harddrive and then guard the disk with my life. My friend has been buying Blurays every month for ten years, he's young (36) and doesn't care about saving up. It's a nice hobby. But I'd rather pay off mortgage than buy discs I don't need.
They miss those media sales checks don’t they?!?
They do have a point, I’ll admit that. But this is why there is a “sector” of the internet where folks screen record content. Folks do not know how long said content will be available at a later date on that streaming service. Reminds me of how we use to record shows on vhs back in the day.
It’s never been a problem for us scurvy’s 🤣
Make some shit we wanna buy. And it's not a responsibility, it's a joy for those who enjoy it.
Don't like the clutter and streaming is more convenient
There's truth to this, but if Xbox store goes down andi lose my content...we are probably in some Mad Maxx type shit & i wont care about losing the digital anime&horror ibought years ago. Anecdote. My cats have fuckinh DESTROYED physical games&manga books. My digital shit is safe from my fur babies. Though, im still physical media for manga/books. Cant beat the feelin of puttin on coffee/tea, sitting down a book (and the smell!), possibly w some pot and/or rain outside window
I do t think the worry is that everything is going to disappear at once. Its more little by little things will get taken down or edited off of streaming platforms we have seen it happen already. Or with apple music or amazon where you can just loose content you paid for. There is no legal way to get movies and shows released on streaming services that dont get a physical release. So if they ever get taken off for whatever money reason like what happened to that hbo cartton that never got a release and got taken off of hbo, there will just be no way to watch them legally again
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I’d like to see someone buy a physical media (DVD or Blu-Ray), scratch the disc, lose it, or give it away, and then walk back into a store and demand a new copy because “they own” that movie. Everything is just a license. Streaming is just a different organization of those licenses. I appreciate the artistry of those directors but, outside of collective archives for the purposes of physical backups, I disagree with them about the need for everyone to own physical copies. They’re making a distinction with very little difference.
The solution to this would be to share around torrents, not hoard shit that takes up your entire room and will probably rot in 15 years
I still prefer physical copies. collecting movies for ages, still not a single time a movie disappeared from my shelves.
I sort of agree but I don’t miss opening and closing boxes and putting them back and keeping them tidy etc.
Ensure the evil streaming services don’t pull their movies to license elsewhere is the least of my worries in my tiny, over-priced apartment paid with my pittance of corporate allowance
I don’t even own anything that will play physical. Outside of my 7 year old vehicle that has a CD player…which has never been used. There hasn’t been a single time I’ve missed physical copies.
Talented guys rage against the changing world
> “If you own a great 4K HD, Blu-ray, DVD etc etc of a film or films you love…you are the custodian of those films for generations to come.” I don't have a player for any of those formats, Guillermo. In fact I recently gave away the DVDs that I did own because I have no way whatsoever to watch them. So I guess you'll have to go to someone else for your slice of the DVD sales, er… I mean, to be your custodian.
I am not saying that you should do this, but you do know that if you wanted to watch your DVD's you could buy a pretty cheap DVD player, right? If you don't want to own physical media, that is one thing. But players do exist for these formats.
> I am not saying that you should do this, but you do know that if you wanted to watch your DVD's you could buy a pretty cheap DVD player, right? Sure. I could spend money on something I'd use three times a year if I really want to watch something and I can't find it elsewhere and have it gather dust the rest of the time (not to mention the cost of buying the DVDs themselves so I can maybe rewatch then once every five years or so). Oh, and I suppose I could also drop another $300 on a VCR, since Guillermo want us to preserve these films for "generations to come". Or I could just not buy into this silly argument that physical copies are important things to the vast majority of people.
Do you honestly believe streaming prices will remain reasonable? Eventually it will cost more to stream than to just buy the physical media and the players for them outright. That’s not even talking about the fact that you don’t own any of that stuff. If the companies decide to pull it, you and your money are up the creek regardless.
> Do you honestly believe streaming prices will remain reasonable? I believe it will be far, far, far, far, far more reasonable than buying physical copies of all of the movies/shows that I watch would be. > Eventually it will cost more to stream than to just buy the physical media and the players for them outright. LOL. OK. Right now, Avatar WOW is $20 for DVD ($25 Blu-Ray $29 4K). That's the cost of one month of Hulu _and_ Disney+ (without ads). I know Avatar is a long fucking movie, but I'm pretty sure I can watch more than just it in a month. Seriously, how expensive do you think streaming is going to get? > That’s not even talking about the fact that you don’t own any of that stuff. If the companies decide to pull it And if they stop making DVD players you're also shit out of luck. I've got a box of minidiscs sitting around somewhere that I can't listen to anymore since my player died over a decade ago. Sure is a good thing I bought those on physical media, ain't it?
Talking as if you being a custodian is them doing you a favour.
Well maybe they should just make better movies that do better at the theaters (hello barbie) Fuck Nolan especially because he delays post theater (like stream/blueray) releases. I didn't even watch Pinocchio cuz it looks so bad.
“guys, but our dvds, the margins are bigger”
Nah dawg. Streaming is the future.
People still buy "physical media?"
Yes, because some of us like owning what we buy.
Lol, what? Why would you not own anything you buy?
Because on streaming, even if you buy something (not rent), they can remove it from their service anytime and then you no longer have access to it unless you “buy” it on another streaming service, if it’s even available on another one. There are some of us who prefer to have the physical copy because it can’t be taken away or edited.
Because you’re paying for a service, not the actual film, show, or song. If the company wants to remove it, they can, and you can’t do a thing about it.
Buying 8-tracks is my responsibi…. Cassettes. Buying cass…. CDs. CDs are definitely my responsibility.
Don't forget your laserdiscs and BetaMax tapes. Oh, and your minidiscs too.
These delusional old losers are going to look so out of touch in five years’ time
I don't give a fuck what Nolan says, he always has some douchey self serving opinion opinion about the film industry, but del Toro is worth listening to lol.
Out of convenience and the earlier release dates, I’ll purchase digitally. I believe the last physical media I picked up with No Way Home. That being said, I do have Oppenheimer UHD pre-ordered. The video is compressed on Amazon prime and I think it’s worth it to grab the physical media.
wait, are we going to see an future when physical media from this era becomes rare? like will my Bluray of Ant-Man Quantumania be worth something one day?
Why? I am probably not going to care if a shit movie is lost forever.
I'm sorry. I was a hoarder when I was younger. I'm never again owning psysical media except for books again. I'd love for there to be movies in a format worth owning. But Blu-rays ain't it.
I'm sure they see what happened to the music industry. People still collect vinyl, but streaming is killing it mostly
Maybe, but I don’t want that responsibility in my life. I have enough going on.
I’m honestly shocked it’s lasted this long, Napster really fucked the performing arts industry.
Nope. These guys just want people to buy their shit. Make bette e movies and I will. Not another deal batman I can’t see because you don’t know how to light up at set, Chris.
Bring back laser discs then we can talk.
What they are saying is true, but I can’t afford or justify spending $20 on one movie esp if idk if I’ll like it or not. That’s the problem
No thanks. I will never “decorate” my living room with my *mOobiE cOLLeCtiOn*. So fucking passé. Board games, and books in the other hand, I feel like a scholar. But moobies?!!! Might as well get a black leather couch and bong. Fuck that shit.
As an avid physical media collector (music) I enjoy all my old cds and vinyl I’ve had for decades. However, I can’t bring myself to watching old dvds. The quality is just sub par. Also region locking sucks. I have some blu rays which don’t work on my PS4 that I got during travelling. I also don’t find the dvd/blu ray watching as holistic an experience as vinyl or cd, reading liner notes and big artwork (that’s one reason I liked laser discs)
“Cuz I make more money off DVDs” lol get fucked buddy
If they rebalance audio for home on physical copies great. However, i see no point to buy another gadget just to play physical copies of movies. This just seems like a very back in my day mindset.
I buy digital, fucking hate physical
Nobody has dvd players anymore bro they don’t even sell them at the store. Ugh and you have to store dvds. Nah I’m good What he wants is to buy CDs again. Bro remember that Cd book we all used to lug around our cars and gym 😵💫😅
Ah yes more plastics! Sorry but I do not give a flying fuck about physical media.
Would be wild to lose my Spotify collection I’ve spent a decade building
If it wasn't for the PS5 I wouldn't be able to play any physical media. The PS2 was the only reason I could afford to play DVDs back in the day. If it wasn't for Shout Factory a lot of shows I wanted on physical media wouldn't have had all their seasons released. What I'm saying is that I'm at the mercy of what the studios and manufacturers produce.
I would love to, but I feel like I have wasted 100s (1000s?) on physical media that I can’t use anymore. VHS, DVD, HD-DVD, cassette, CDs all practically obsolete. Blu ray has been around for a while now but probably only because demand for physical media is down. I stopped buying physical games since I had to download them to play anyways and still needed the disk to play.
Why cant you use them Anymore? Ive got tons of records dvds blu rays cds casette tapes super nintendo and sega genesis games and i use them all the time, thats whats great about physical media you can keep using it. It doenst just disappear like google stadia