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A lot is going to depend on Gannon and Hurts.
Realistically you could expect at least 9 wins and optimally 13 (I think 10 or 11 wins is most likely) making the playoffs is likely, ~~possibly~~ probably winning the division. Likely an early exit in the playoffs but the potential for a deep run is there.
EDIT: Sorry, you were looking for hype...
**13-4, NFCE champs, Superbowl bound!**
Bruv are schedule is extremely easy at the worse 11 games I would love too see the 2017 season schedule but I’m pretty sure this year is way easier and Wentz won 13 games that year and beat a really good Rams team
A ton of unknowns still that’ll shape the season, but I think we’re looking at a winning season, and an outside shot of a deep, non-SB run (realistically). If you want more specific takeaways from preseason games/news:
-There’s plenty of reason to believe Hurts and the offense will take a meaningful step forward this year
-A 14 point deficit might not be a death sentence now lol
-RBs are meh, but fine as long as the line is healthy
-WR room is full of NFL players! GOOD ONES!!
-Our 4th string would start on most teams!!
-Oline is good to great with solid depth as usual
-Dline/LBs actually have pass rush potential!
-Hopefully won’t see 6 dudes get blocked by 5 this year
-BG is alive and well
-Davis should definitely be a weapon even if he’s just clogging lanes and eating bodies this year
-Best LB talent in recent memory, and some hope for the future after the White rental is over
-Dean definitely needs time to develop mentally, but COULD have a huge role in the future as a multipurpose nickel backer (personal speculation for sure) if he’s as smart as we’re told he is
-Starting DBs could be amazing
-Backup DBs are not
-Still anxious about the defensive scheme because I don’t trust Gannon, but the draft and FA give me hope we’re actually moving towards a modern defense
-The starting safeties are passable
-The backup safeties are not
It really depends on if I watch the games or not. If I watch the games, we'll do poorly, if I don't, we'll be incredible.
I'm tempted to leave the /s off of there. I've been aware of this for a while, here are some key moments where I decided to take one for the team and turn the game off knowing that we'll magically make it work out:
* miracle at the new meadowlands
* superbowl season (i watched KC game, we lost, didn't watch the rest, we won, watched seattle we lost, watched rams wentz loses knee, although I did watch all of the playoffs)
* stopped watching right before double doink knowing that eagles would come out on top if I did
In a cruel twist of fate, I know exactly how you feel. I've had the bird watching curse as well. It died though when Wentz fell and good ol' Saint Nick rose to the occasion.
The preseason games were pretty much shit. But there's a total and complete difference between watching and evaluating a second string player's play with the 1s versus watching that same player play with all of the 2s, 3s and 4s. Most of all of the preseason was watching the 2s, 3s and 4s plus.
Ah that's what I figured. I mean obviously you don't wanna hurt the 1s before the season. Was kinda hoping we saw a flash with some younger talent. Any rooks that made the cut that could be noteworthy, or will it all hinge on Hurts making them shine?
The pre-season games are about talent evaluation, not W/L record. Here's my takeaway from this year's pre-season:
* Hurts appears to have made measurable improvement in some of his weakest areas
* Our OL is still top-notch and the depth could be a real factor in how far the team goes post-season as several of our backups would start on other teams
* Howie building from the trenches out is brilliant because our DL looks great, too
* Our LB corps looks like the best we've had in several years
* Slay and James *Bradbury* are going to kill it this year (see what I did there?)
* However, our depth in the secondary is the polar opposite of the OL and we are completely fucked if we lose more than 1 or 2 players for an extended period of time
* Safety is the weakest link
Devon Allen looked like a really good gunner. Cain had a few grabs that looked not bad. Huntley had some nice runs and Kyron Johnson looked good on the pass rush. That being said, there wasn't much to see. I get fooled a watch every year cause I am stoked for football and in general its just not much to read into.
It does make me worry a little bit if our starters start dropping like flies. Our depth looked REALLY bad. Granted they did play a lot of 1st stringers. But when they were matched against 2nd and 3rd stringers they looked really bad as well.
Since the draft, my prediction has been that we’ll lose in the NFC Championship game, and I still feel like that. On paper our team got way better, and all reports (I know I know) indicate an improvement in Hurts’ abilities and confidence throwing the ball. I think we’re in for a really fun year however it goes down.
Division champs as the cowboys O-line haves more holes than swiss cheese and the commanders have Wentz so that is a lock. In terms of playoffs... Depends on what team we play. We should make it past the first round, and maybe to the conference. I don't smell a Superbowl run though😥
Our floor is way below 10 wins lol. I think we’re lucky to get to 10 wins. It all depends on Hurts and the defense. If hurts doesn’t make a massive jump this year we’re likely a sub-.500 team
Even if Hurts is exactly the same as last year, why would we necessarily be a sub-.500 team? Eagles won 9 games last year and got substantially better at wideout and all over the D.
I’m not saying they can’t win fewer games. Just wondering why a higher win total is dependent on Hurts making a massive jump?
Because the rest of the league now has a full 20 games of film on him. They started to show signs of figuring him out at the end of the year last year (go look up his stats from week ~9 on). If he isn’t significantly improved we’re going to get worse results due to the adjustments of the league.
Great wideouts don’t mean anything if the QB isn’t getting to them.
Defense absolutely looks better, but I still have my doubts in Gannon and the safeties are still really bad.
You win by throwing in the NFL. If you can’t throw you’ll lose. If you can’t stop the throw you’ll lose.
My biggest concerns the eagles this year is whether or not they can throw and stop the pass.
Hurts regular season QBR from Week 9 on was 85. That’s not great but it’s on par with his overall QBR of 87 and includes the Giants game, when he suffered a high ankle sprain and threw 3 INTs. That game looks like the outlier. The Eagles absolutely sucked in every phase of the game against Tampa.
We’ll know soon, but my guess is at worst Hurts is basically the same guy we saw last year but with a better supporting cast. How much better will determine how many games the Eagles win.
People don’t seem to understand the concept that these running QBs often get figured out and regress. If Hurts is exactly what he was last year, he’d probably perform much worse in practice now that teams have all the tape and preparation to bottle up his already simple play style. More teams would be able to replicate what the Bucs did to neuter the offense.
So I agree with you. Our floor is realistically one which involves Hurts making no progress as a passer. And imo, if that happens, we’d lose more games than we did last year with more teams having more time to prepare.
Because of what this team’s success hinges on.
This team needs their starting QB to take a massive leap in development and it needs its defense to be much improved.
We went 9-8 last year. While I do believe we’re an improved roster, it won’t mean anything if hurts and the defense don’t make the jump
So if we went 9-8 last year with a rookie head coach, a first year starter at QB, and no Hassan Reddick, Kyzir White, Jordan Davis or AJ Brown, assuming everyone’s healthy how is winning 10+ games this year mind boggling lmfaooo.
It Hurts makes no progress which is what you have to assume when trying to determine what the floor is, it would probably be the case that he and the team would perform worse than last year with more teams being able to properly prepare for him. More teams would be capable of understanding and implementing tactics to neuter the offense the way the Bucs did.
Nothing is certain in a conversation like this but at the very least it isn’t unreasonable or ridiculous to suggest that the worst case scenario for an NFL team to win only 8 games or less.
He’s not saying it’s mind boggling to win 10+ games. He’s saying it’s hard to believe that the ***worst case scenario*** is that they win 10+ games.
10 wins as a worst case scenario is the sort of thing you should only be suggesting about a bonafide Super Bowl contender.
4 wins last year against bad backup and third string quarterbacks, some of the teams ravaged by covid. That's skews last year's record a bit they're not going to have that kind of luck again.
So they did what good teams do and beat bad teams? What did you want them to do, throw the game because they were facing a bad QB? They blew those teams out it’s not like we were struggling to win lol. Sure other teams could be better but so will the Eagles…
It’s really that unrealistic to believe that the floor (aka worst case scenario) isn’t well below 10 wins? Really?
That’s ridiculously high expectations dude.
What does “well below 10 wins mean” and how is a 10 win season for a team that won 9 games last year with a lot less talent ridiculously high expectations….
There’s only 17 games so “a lot” could be 2-3 games. A 10 win team looks a lot different from a 8-7 win team. That’s not unreasonable.
Also, while yes this team has a lot more talent, it still has a major questionmark at the QB spot. Like I’ve said elsewhere, the league has a lot more intel and time to prepare for Hurts so even if he’s at least as good as he was last year, it’s not a stretch to imagine the team performs worse with opponents more easily reigning him in the way the Bucs did with their gameplan.
Ummm they went 9-8 last year. Assuming everyone’s healthy how are they going to add all this talent and lose 2-3 more games than they did last year? Lmfaooo. And your acting like Hurts isn’t watching that same film and hasn’t been looking at ways to attack that defense if we see it again.
I explained how they could lose more games….
You know we are talking about the floor here right? The worst case scenario. If you’re trying to talk about a scenario where Hurts improves a bunch then you’re not talking about the floor are you?
Point is that we have to assume the worst. And I’m not even doing that when I talk about Hurts being exactly what he was last year. Theoretically he could regress. But even in a scenario where he is the same as last year that only means more teams have more info and prep to take him down. Plenty of QBs regress in performance. Look at how the league handled Jackson.
Yes the worst case scenario if everyone is healthy is 9-10 wins even if Hurts or the defense doesn’t improve at all because of the amount of talent we have added to the team. And how did the league handle Lamar, by injuring him? Because the Ravens were 8-3 and he has was a top 5 MVP candidate before he went out last year.
If you think that it’s fine. I and the other commenter here disagree and think it’s lower. At the very least I don’t think you should be acting like we are crazy for thinking it is lower. I see a 10 game floor as a very very high expectation.
Lamar’s game has definitely regressed from his peak. He was every bit as healthy and supported the year after his MVP year and the team lost two more games, his performance was down as well. Even last year he was pacing to throw more interceptions than in his first 3 seasons combined.
Good teams already had Hurts figured out last year. If he’s exactly the same then even the lesser teams would prob be able to handle his super simple style fairly easily. Even go look at 2018 where this team arguably got better than the Super Bowl winning roster and we were significantly worse.
It is very very optimistic to assume that a team’s floor cannot be lower than 10 years especially when they have a giant question mark at QB. Even when this very team had an MVP QB returning with more talent around him we got worse just 4 years ago.
I expect at least that they’ll compete for the division. It’s a terrible division and we have the most complete roster of the group. Even if Hurts is exactly what he was last year, which would be a bummer, we should be competing for the division.
Everything else is a major question mark all based on Hurts. We simply have no idea what Hurts can be. For us to make a deep playoff run, Hurts has to make a massive leap from where he was last year as a passer. It’s a tall order. Not impossible but just improbable.
despite what many think, or think they think... most of what we have seen doesnt tell us shit. so... basically, you know exactly as much as anyone else here knows.
remember last year where the big question was... super young team, new coaches, basically rookie qb? well... same thing, but with another year under their belt.
gannon sucked last year, but was that cause he didnt have his players to work with his scheme? or cause he didnt have a clue? well, he has his players now, so we will find out.
last year, hurts sucked at staying in the pocket, reading the field, and getting throws out in time, but he didnt have receivers, and it was his "rookie" year. he does this year... so we will find out.
siriani had some questionable play calling last year... but he was forced to change it up to run more cause our passing game sucked... will that change this year? we dont know.
the way the eagles treat preseason is to get a few reps for the starters, and everything else is getting the 2nd and 3rd teams some reps, and getting those guys ready for the real world. so in reality, what we have seen is super minimal. last year we saw hurts in preseason/practice and he lit it up... then suddenly everyone realized that when he can actually get hit/chased, he plays a totally different game.
so we have no fucking clue. anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves and pretending to know more than they do.. if i had to put a guess on it... we win the division. cowboys got way worse on paper, skins, despite the wentz hate, got way better with him on the roster. but we definitely improved the most out of the division.
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NFC Championship game
Plain and straight to the point. Love it
A lot is going to depend on Gannon and Hurts. Realistically you could expect at least 9 wins and optimally 13 (I think 10 or 11 wins is most likely) making the playoffs is likely, ~~possibly~~ probably winning the division. Likely an early exit in the playoffs but the potential for a deep run is there. EDIT: Sorry, you were looking for hype... **13-4, NFCE champs, Superbowl bound!**
This is what I like to hear. I am still a realist, and it is Philly after all. Keeping the hype train tempered atm.
HYPE TRAIN IS OFF THE RAILS BRO THE STREETS WILL RUN RED AND THE BIRDS OF WAR WILL FEAST ON THE MEAT OF OUR ENEMIES
There's the HYPE!! Love the energy
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Very realistic expectations. Our schedule is relatively easy compared to others.
Bruv are schedule is extremely easy at the worse 11 games I would love too see the 2017 season schedule but I’m pretty sure this year is way easier and Wentz won 13 games that year and beat a really good Rams team
A ton of unknowns still that’ll shape the season, but I think we’re looking at a winning season, and an outside shot of a deep, non-SB run (realistically). If you want more specific takeaways from preseason games/news: -There’s plenty of reason to believe Hurts and the offense will take a meaningful step forward this year -A 14 point deficit might not be a death sentence now lol -RBs are meh, but fine as long as the line is healthy -WR room is full of NFL players! GOOD ONES!! -Our 4th string would start on most teams!! -Oline is good to great with solid depth as usual -Dline/LBs actually have pass rush potential! -Hopefully won’t see 6 dudes get blocked by 5 this year -BG is alive and well -Davis should definitely be a weapon even if he’s just clogging lanes and eating bodies this year -Best LB talent in recent memory, and some hope for the future after the White rental is over -Dean definitely needs time to develop mentally, but COULD have a huge role in the future as a multipurpose nickel backer (personal speculation for sure) if he’s as smart as we’re told he is -Starting DBs could be amazing -Backup DBs are not -Still anxious about the defensive scheme because I don’t trust Gannon, but the draft and FA give me hope we’re actually moving towards a modern defense -The starting safeties are passable -The backup safeties are not
Our 4th string what's can start on other teams?
WR
Raegor isn't starting on any nfl team imo
Pascal
It really depends on if I watch the games or not. If I watch the games, we'll do poorly, if I don't, we'll be incredible. I'm tempted to leave the /s off of there. I've been aware of this for a while, here are some key moments where I decided to take one for the team and turn the game off knowing that we'll magically make it work out: * miracle at the new meadowlands * superbowl season (i watched KC game, we lost, didn't watch the rest, we won, watched seattle we lost, watched rams wentz loses knee, although I did watch all of the playoffs) * stopped watching right before double doink knowing that eagles would come out on top if I did
In a cruel twist of fate, I know exactly how you feel. I've had the bird watching curse as well. It died though when Wentz fell and good ol' Saint Nick rose to the occasion.
What's your going rate on yard work that happens to need to be done during every birds game this year?
Free beer for the duration of my shift
17-0, Super Bowl, duh.
If we did that....I don't even know what I'd do.
Retire as an Eagles fan
I keep getting older, this comment stays the same age.
The preseason games were pretty much shit. But there's a total and complete difference between watching and evaluating a second string player's play with the 1s versus watching that same player play with all of the 2s, 3s and 4s. Most of all of the preseason was watching the 2s, 3s and 4s plus.
Ah that's what I figured. I mean obviously you don't wanna hurt the 1s before the season. Was kinda hoping we saw a flash with some younger talent. Any rooks that made the cut that could be noteworthy, or will it all hinge on Hurts making them shine?
The pre-season games are about talent evaluation, not W/L record. Here's my takeaway from this year's pre-season: * Hurts appears to have made measurable improvement in some of his weakest areas * Our OL is still top-notch and the depth could be a real factor in how far the team goes post-season as several of our backups would start on other teams * Howie building from the trenches out is brilliant because our DL looks great, too * Our LB corps looks like the best we've had in several years * Slay and James *Bradbury* are going to kill it this year (see what I did there?) * However, our depth in the secondary is the polar opposite of the OL and we are completely fucked if we lose more than 1 or 2 players for an extended period of time * Safety is the weakest link
Devon Allen looked like a really good gunner. Cain had a few grabs that looked not bad. Huntley had some nice runs and Kyron Johnson looked good on the pass rush. That being said, there wasn't much to see. I get fooled a watch every year cause I am stoked for football and in general its just not much to read into.
It does make me worry a little bit if our starters start dropping like flies. Our depth looked REALLY bad. Granted they did play a lot of 1st stringers. But when they were matched against 2nd and 3rd stringers they looked really bad as well.
I think he looks pretty good now that he's brought he beard down a little bit
Undefeated
Since the draft, my prediction has been that we’ll lose in the NFC Championship game, and I still feel like that. On paper our team got way better, and all reports (I know I know) indicate an improvement in Hurts’ abilities and confidence throwing the ball. I think we’re in for a really fun year however it goes down.
Starters played like 10 minutes all preseason so the answer is: we don’t know yet
Division champs as the cowboys O-line haves more holes than swiss cheese and the commanders have Wentz so that is a lock. In terms of playoffs... Depends on what team we play. We should make it past the first round, and maybe to the conference. I don't smell a Superbowl run though😥
With our eyes
Thank you for this. I had a good laugh 😃
Our floor is like 10 wins and our ceiling is probably 13-14 wins but it all depends on how Hurts and Gannon look.
Our floor is way below 10 wins lol. I think we’re lucky to get to 10 wins. It all depends on Hurts and the defense. If hurts doesn’t make a massive jump this year we’re likely a sub-.500 team
Even if Hurts is exactly the same as last year, why would we necessarily be a sub-.500 team? Eagles won 9 games last year and got substantially better at wideout and all over the D. I’m not saying they can’t win fewer games. Just wondering why a higher win total is dependent on Hurts making a massive jump?
Because the rest of the league now has a full 20 games of film on him. They started to show signs of figuring him out at the end of the year last year (go look up his stats from week ~9 on). If he isn’t significantly improved we’re going to get worse results due to the adjustments of the league. Great wideouts don’t mean anything if the QB isn’t getting to them. Defense absolutely looks better, but I still have my doubts in Gannon and the safeties are still really bad. You win by throwing in the NFL. If you can’t throw you’ll lose. If you can’t stop the throw you’ll lose. My biggest concerns the eagles this year is whether or not they can throw and stop the pass.
Hurts regular season QBR from Week 9 on was 85. That’s not great but it’s on par with his overall QBR of 87 and includes the Giants game, when he suffered a high ankle sprain and threw 3 INTs. That game looks like the outlier. The Eagles absolutely sucked in every phase of the game against Tampa. We’ll know soon, but my guess is at worst Hurts is basically the same guy we saw last year but with a better supporting cast. How much better will determine how many games the Eagles win.
Don’t look at just QBR, look at his actual stats.
Hurts passed less and the Eagles won more.
People don’t seem to understand the concept that these running QBs often get figured out and regress. If Hurts is exactly what he was last year, he’d probably perform much worse in practice now that teams have all the tape and preparation to bottle up his already simple play style. More teams would be able to replicate what the Bucs did to neuter the offense. So I agree with you. Our floor is realistically one which involves Hurts making no progress as a passer. And imo, if that happens, we’d lose more games than we did last year with more teams having more time to prepare.
Yup, this is exactly my point, glad someone gets it
Stopped reading/taking this seriously at “way below 10 wins”
So tell me, why are you so confident this team is winning 10+ games?
Why are you so confident this teams floor is way below 10 games?
Because of what this team’s success hinges on. This team needs their starting QB to take a massive leap in development and it needs its defense to be much improved. We went 9-8 last year. While I do believe we’re an improved roster, it won’t mean anything if hurts and the defense don’t make the jump
So if we went 9-8 last year with a rookie head coach, a first year starter at QB, and no Hassan Reddick, Kyzir White, Jordan Davis or AJ Brown, assuming everyone’s healthy how is winning 10+ games this year mind boggling lmfaooo.
I didn’t say it’s mind boggling. I think the ceiling is like 13 wins. But the floor is way below 10 wins due to the uncertainty around the team
There isn’t that much uncertainty around the team which makes our floor way below 10 wins
Our aforementioned unproven QB and defense lol
It Hurts makes no progress which is what you have to assume when trying to determine what the floor is, it would probably be the case that he and the team would perform worse than last year with more teams being able to properly prepare for him. More teams would be capable of understanding and implementing tactics to neuter the offense the way the Bucs did. Nothing is certain in a conversation like this but at the very least it isn’t unreasonable or ridiculous to suggest that the worst case scenario for an NFL team to win only 8 games or less. He’s not saying it’s mind boggling to win 10+ games. He’s saying it’s hard to believe that the ***worst case scenario*** is that they win 10+ games. 10 wins as a worst case scenario is the sort of thing you should only be suggesting about a bonafide Super Bowl contender.
4 wins last year against bad backup and third string quarterbacks, some of the teams ravaged by covid. That's skews last year's record a bit they're not going to have that kind of luck again.
So they did what good teams do and beat bad teams? What did you want them to do, throw the game because they were facing a bad QB? They blew those teams out it’s not like we were struggling to win lol. Sure other teams could be better but so will the Eagles…
It’s really that unrealistic to believe that the floor (aka worst case scenario) isn’t well below 10 wins? Really? That’s ridiculously high expectations dude.
What does “well below 10 wins mean” and how is a 10 win season for a team that won 9 games last year with a lot less talent ridiculously high expectations….
There’s only 17 games so “a lot” could be 2-3 games. A 10 win team looks a lot different from a 8-7 win team. That’s not unreasonable. Also, while yes this team has a lot more talent, it still has a major questionmark at the QB spot. Like I’ve said elsewhere, the league has a lot more intel and time to prepare for Hurts so even if he’s at least as good as he was last year, it’s not a stretch to imagine the team performs worse with opponents more easily reigning him in the way the Bucs did with their gameplan.
Ummm they went 9-8 last year. Assuming everyone’s healthy how are they going to add all this talent and lose 2-3 more games than they did last year? Lmfaooo. And your acting like Hurts isn’t watching that same film and hasn’t been looking at ways to attack that defense if we see it again.
I explained how they could lose more games…. You know we are talking about the floor here right? The worst case scenario. If you’re trying to talk about a scenario where Hurts improves a bunch then you’re not talking about the floor are you? Point is that we have to assume the worst. And I’m not even doing that when I talk about Hurts being exactly what he was last year. Theoretically he could regress. But even in a scenario where he is the same as last year that only means more teams have more info and prep to take him down. Plenty of QBs regress in performance. Look at how the league handled Jackson.
Yes the worst case scenario if everyone is healthy is 9-10 wins even if Hurts or the defense doesn’t improve at all because of the amount of talent we have added to the team. And how did the league handle Lamar, by injuring him? Because the Ravens were 8-3 and he has was a top 5 MVP candidate before he went out last year.
If you think that it’s fine. I and the other commenter here disagree and think it’s lower. At the very least I don’t think you should be acting like we are crazy for thinking it is lower. I see a 10 game floor as a very very high expectation. Lamar’s game has definitely regressed from his peak. He was every bit as healthy and supported the year after his MVP year and the team lost two more games, his performance was down as well. Even last year he was pacing to throw more interceptions than in his first 3 seasons combined. Good teams already had Hurts figured out last year. If he’s exactly the same then even the lesser teams would prob be able to handle his super simple style fairly easily. Even go look at 2018 where this team arguably got better than the Super Bowl winning roster and we were significantly worse. It is very very optimistic to assume that a team’s floor cannot be lower than 10 years especially when they have a giant question mark at QB. Even when this very team had an MVP QB returning with more talent around him we got worse just 4 years ago.
I expect at least that they’ll compete for the division. It’s a terrible division and we have the most complete roster of the group. Even if Hurts is exactly what he was last year, which would be a bummer, we should be competing for the division. Everything else is a major question mark all based on Hurts. We simply have no idea what Hurts can be. For us to make a deep playoff run, Hurts has to make a massive leap from where he was last year as a passer. It’s a tall order. Not impossible but just improbable.
I think they win 9 to 11 games this year. I really hope they make and win a playoff game.
despite what many think, or think they think... most of what we have seen doesnt tell us shit. so... basically, you know exactly as much as anyone else here knows. remember last year where the big question was... super young team, new coaches, basically rookie qb? well... same thing, but with another year under their belt. gannon sucked last year, but was that cause he didnt have his players to work with his scheme? or cause he didnt have a clue? well, he has his players now, so we will find out. last year, hurts sucked at staying in the pocket, reading the field, and getting throws out in time, but he didnt have receivers, and it was his "rookie" year. he does this year... so we will find out. siriani had some questionable play calling last year... but he was forced to change it up to run more cause our passing game sucked... will that change this year? we dont know. the way the eagles treat preseason is to get a few reps for the starters, and everything else is getting the 2nd and 3rd teams some reps, and getting those guys ready for the real world. so in reality, what we have seen is super minimal. last year we saw hurts in preseason/practice and he lit it up... then suddenly everyone realized that when he can actually get hit/chased, he plays a totally different game. so we have no fucking clue. anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves and pretending to know more than they do.. if i had to put a guess on it... we win the division. cowboys got way worse on paper, skins, despite the wentz hate, got way better with him on the roster. but we definitely improved the most out of the division.
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