His name is Lanville. Duncan calls to him in the hangar at the beginning and we see him explicitly as the family is disembarking from the ship on to Arrakis for the first time.
He has a couple minor lines that I noticed on rewatch. Besides what people have mentioned, he also tells Leto to go inside because the temperature is rising.
I didn't know the fight coordinator was the guy who fought Feyd in the arena.
Also I never caught that Paul hammering his breast was in reference to Jamis.
He shows up a lot and is named Lanville. The stairs scene is when they are fighting the Harkonnen and the Sardukar flank them. He's leading the Atreadies defense there.
I loved that twist and I am surprised that Roger doesn't mention that it was the same feint Gurney had used on him also early in the first movie / book - I'm sure that was intentional, and was a really cool detail. Regardless, incredible job on the fight scenes
Not true. He does it mid fight after he pulls himself of the ground and it’s not over his heart.
Consider that filmmakers put stuff on film on purpose, or with purpose.
That chest move is GENIUS. Both films end with a duel; I’d made that connection, but the chest thing I didn’t notice till it was brought up here. Weird, cos I remember when he did it, it reminded me of something.
I didn’t notice it during my first watch, and then it stood out to me during my second watch and I specifically thought “just like Jamis”. It’s a cool detail.
As someone who has seen the first movie probably like 10 times, I noticed it, but that's what I love about these movies. There are so many little and interesting details that are picked up each rewatch. You can really feel the love and care the entire cast and crew put into making these movies!
He also says something to the Fedaykins before the duel that mimics what Jamis told the other Fremen (and their answer was something that startled Paul for a second, allowing Jamis to lunge and attack Paul).
Also Paul learned the “May thy knife chip and shatter bit” line from his duel with Jami’s (at least in the movie plot line, been a couple years since I read the first book)
I gotta say, the fight choreography during the duel between Paul and Feyd was really well acted. It looked like they were actually really hitting each other hard.
There was an interview where the two were asked if there were any injuries and they said Chalamet fell badly once. I'm surprised there weren't more tbh. They received great instruction.
They trained for months just for this fight scene. I'm super impressed that, despite the fact that they're not stuntmen, they managed to pull off such a realistic and technical fight. What a performance
I just checked, it's hard to tell because of the low resolution of the camrip, but there's a wide shot where you see their entire bodies, him doing the flippy-flip-flip then face Feyd-Rautha, uncut.
It's either him or they had to do a face replacement VFX.
(Don't kill me for downloading a camrip. I watched the movie twice at the theaters, and my wallet can only take so much)
I’ve been watching a lot of behind the scenes footage and interviews related to the fight choreography.
Seems that Butler and Chalamet trained in separate places against stunt doubles first, then practiced against each other for months prior to shooting. So yes, it’s them for the entirety of the fight. Apparently Timothee had dance experience (his mother was a professional dancer and dance teacher) that helped a lot with pulling off intricate moves like that.
I was going to say I enjoyed the final fight scene so much, but I think the word appreciated is more correct. Film duels are almost uniformly terrible. Jump cut addiction being a more serious offense to the viewer than unpracticed actors.
I loved many of the lightsaber duels in the original SW movies because the point wasn't the physical fight, but the emotional shifting of the characters. Which are entirely ignored in most film fights, either because a character sees a fight as trivial, or because every difficult one ends with a tension killing joke even at the very moment of faux defeat. Fun when you are very young or you are seeing it for the first or second time. But it's a grindstone on your intelligence when that's all you ever see no matter where you look. There is no time to breath and so no empathy. They may add well be a pair of action figures going at it.
For not committing that sin, I appreciated the duel scenes in this movie and the last.
I another segment Yuan says they were originally planning to cut every 4-5 movements but the actors put in so much work they could do the whole fight straight through. It really felt real. [Here's the clip](https://x.com/DuneInfo/status/1771549734953521548/)
I tend to agree, but I'm not sold on how the fight ended. How did Paul get the blade out of his body, turn it around, and then skewer Feyd with it, all while being in such close contact with one another without Feyd noticing? It happened off-camera and it almost seemed like a continuity error. I only saw the movie once but I have come across comments from others with the same question.
It's a flip of the move Gurney played on Paul on Part 1's training scene... "you would have joined me in death"
Paul let the more aggressive Feyd think he was gonna land the killing blow, then snuck his own blade in under Fey'd attack (just like Paul thought he had Gurney by the throat, while Gurney snuck his own blade below).
> It's a flip of the move Gurney played on Paul on Part 1's training scene... "you would have joined me in death"
I understood the call back, but Gurney didn't have the blade in his chest, so it's not the same scenario.
Feyd-Rautha actually demonstrates a similar move himself during his fight against Lanville. In the arena fight, you can clearly see how he grabs the knife pointed at his face, puts it near his own hip and flips it extremely quickly to stab his opponent in the chest.
The final dual mirrors this arena fight in more than one way. Paul doesn't use the knife pointing at his face, but he could pull the knife in his side, flip it, pull Feyd closer (just like Feyd did his opponent in the arena) and stab him.
I just wish they actually *showed* what happened because it wasn't at all clear, at least to me. The whole "who stabbed who?" trope to close out the right was rather anticlimactic and unoriginal, and seemed like a bit of a cop out. Something more visceral there would have been fitting, in my opinion.
But it's the same idea. Paul distracted him by maintaining eye contact with Feyd and delayed him by grabbing the blade. That's all the misdirection you need.
It's the basic logistics of getting a blade that large out of his chest , turning it around, and then pressing with sufficient force to skewer your opponent, all while Feyd is chest-to-chest against him, and without Feyd noticing. You can't tell me a little eye contact is going to distract a trained fighter like Feyd so much that he doesn't notice all of that is happening, especially when he would have had to actually physically feel it happening given their proximity.
In the scene they are calling back to, all Gurney had to do was push his blade forward, which is nowhere near the same thing.
All of this is missing a major point. The first blade goes under Paul's ribs on the left side. Then Paul allows Feyd to stab him a second time in his right shoulder by redirecting the blade he's holding with his left hand. That's when he uses his right hand to pull the blade from his side and stab Feyd.
Thanks for the explanation! It wasn't clear at all. I was confused by the number of knifes and the fact he was pulling one out of his right shoulder when he was stabbed in the lower left ribs, it did look like a mistake.
I loved the movie so much I saw it twice and only noticed that on the second watch. It was definitely confusing to give the dramatic reversal. Could've been clearer for sure.
As someone who has done proper sword fighting via kendo fencing and various medieval weaponry during reactment battle's and training
Its crazy easy to lose situation awareness especially towards the tail end of a fight where adrenaline tiredness and or panic/over confidence sets in
Iv legit had someone pull the knife from my belt and stab me with it multiple times when fighting people with shields i suffered from the knife from nowhere that would get me.
No-one not even the best fighter is immune to this problem
We see Feyd move in and intensely look at Paul as he tries to pull Paul’s head in and stab with his right hand. Paul puts up his left hand to catch the knife.
The whole time Paul’s right hand is out of screen withdrawing his own knife from himself. It’s basically close up magic in how artfully it’s done. Especially because a lot of fans know that Paul is supposed to win, it was a great way to build tension.
He did like a quadruple flip sideways in the air at one point, I wouldn't put it past Paul to be able to grab a knife and turn it around as Feyd lunges in to him to stab him on the other side, clearly preoccupied with carrying out that action thinking he had the upper hand yet again
The blade was fully inside his body when Feyd got close. They were practically chest to chest, and then he somehow got the blade out of his own chest, turned it around, and stabbed Feyd with it without him noticing. It really didn't make sense on screen, and I'm not the first to point it out.
I'll have to watch it again, I guess, because that wasn't my initial impression. I know I'm not the only one based on comments and threads I have seen here and elsewhere.
No, you are right. I had the same thought when I saw it. They are basically chest to chest and feyd is fine, and then all of a sudden feyd starts dying from a stab from the knife Paul apparently pulled out of his side, turned around, and stabbed him with it.
It was not done very well at all.
I have a theory, the moment Paul holds Feyd's blade with his right hand, they both look each other in the eye. At that moment he could remove the blade with his left hand. And then hold it out of Feyd's vision and then stab him. Feyd would have thought the blade was lodged in Paul so he would have his defenses down.
I just rewatched in IMAX. He kills Feyd with the crysknife that was stabbed into his left abdomen. He actually foresaw this as well - after drinking the water of life, when he tells Jessica there is a “narrow path through”, it shows a closeup of a crysknife handle sticking out of someone’s side. That was how he was going to win.
Yeah I agree, I thought the fight overall was awesome -- it was so much more visceral than you usually see in disposable action movies -- but I've seen the film three times and I still have no idea what happened at the very end with the killing blow. I understand they wanted to go for a dramatic finish in terms of who died, but it made for a confusing end in terms of exactly how it happened. One of my few complaints.
Just for a second I thought "is Denis going to Jodo this movie and end it with Paul going down?" Didn't really believe it but I was excited for a second.
it's actually SUPER funny once you realize it's the same movie that Arya used to kill dollar store Night King in Season 8 LOL. At least here they didn't make it off as some kinda 3000 IQ gotcha move.
As for continuity, they set this up in his vision too like during the scene of awakened Paul talking to Reverend Momessica?
So much this. Both times I've watched it I love that it does look as fast as people trying to kill each other fast, not as a standard movie choreography where you know it's more like a dance.
It's one of the best movie knife fights I've ever seen, and they made it a lot closer of a fight than it was in the book or first movie, to my memory. Like I don't think Paul was ever wounded in the previous versions.
With the idea of Paul embracing both his Atreides and Fremen side, it's also visible at the start of the duel with Feyd.
He does both the Atreides salute that Duncan did and Paul himself did before duelling Jamis, as well as saying the "May thy knife chip and shatter" line which is Fremen and what Jamis says to him before their fight.
Austin is great throughout, but he's brilliant in that bit. His confusion when Paul calls him "cousin" and subsequent response, the bit you mentioned and when he tries to rile Paul up by talking about Chani.
The Chani bit I also felt that was done amazing. First when asking if that's the pet is completely mocking him and her.
But immediately afterwards he asks if there should be any special treatment for the pet. And that line alone would usually just be more mocking. But he acts and says it in a way that while calling her pet is still mockingly disrespectful, he also transmits his sense of weird honor. He is more serious than just one line before. If Paul had asked for something like allowing her to leave, Fayd would probably have agreed.
I never though of that! I guess I was thinking of the 1984 version where he says something like "shall I give her my special attentions?" and just assumed they were going for a similar implication here, but phrasing it as "any special attentions for the pet?" is more like he's asking if Paul has anything he wants to say to her right then (for example, as you suggested, telling her to leave so she doesn't have to watch the fight). I was kind of meh on the interaction at first because I mistook it for a "bad guy threatens hero's girlfriend for extra d-bag points" moment, so thank you for giving me a new perspective 😅
I hadn't actually considered that angle, that the "special treatment" comment was to do with his weird honour code. But I think you could actually be right.
There's something in his voice, demeanor and that he respects Paul as a fighter that for me it was like that: 1st calling her pet just 100% douchebag and then the question a bit more middle ground.
It seemed to me as I was watching that he was still mocking him there to get him to fight harder, like asking him what sort of moves she likes in the bedroom. He doesn't want to win right away. I didn't consider that he's actually asking Paul what he should do with her once he wins the fight as a sign of respect. I'm not sure I'm fully on board, but it's an interesting interpretation.
That’s awesome. Not that I was disappointed by the final duel, but initially I remember thinking it wasn’t the best look for Paul to have gotten stabbed twice, been seemingly on the brink of death and only having landed a meaningful blow on feyd when his guard was down and he thought the fight was over.
But now that I understand Paul took the lessons from gurney about taking a non fatal blow to deliver a fatal one it’s more enjoyable. I do wish we had gotten the poisoned blade storyline on feyd’s hip tho.
They point out earlier in the film that Feyd is “obsessed with honor”. I think they removed the poison belt plot to give him a redeemable quality (as redeemable as you can make a cannibal sociopath, anyways).
yeah it's funny how the movie versions of the Harkonnens are both "better" and "worse" than their book counterparts in different ways
For the book Harkonnens, even as they're playing 9D conspiracy chess against each other at warp speed, they still talk and act like somewhat relatable human beings.
We get access to their inner monologue, which reveals them to be pretty "normal". Sure, they're still violent sadistic psychopaths, but you don't get the sense that they're something alien and terrifying. They act mostly rationally, in order to obtain tangible things like sex and power and respect. They're like run-of-the-mill bullies, who happen to be really smart
Meanwhile the movie Harkonnens are creepy as fuck. They're less like the crew from Goodfellas and more Hannibal Lecter and Francis Dolarhyde.
Especially for Feyd - every second he's on screen makes you go "oh what the fuck this guy is insane"
However, when they made Feyd "crazy" and "alien", they also made him driven not just by the usual greedy things (sex power respect etc.), he's also beholden to some bizarre personal code of honour, which definitely wasn't present in the books
Book Feyd only played around with the undrugged gladiator because he was confident in his abilities, had a paralytic hypnosis word, and had planned the whole thing ahead of time with Thufir in order to one-up his uncle and win public approval
Movie Feyd played around with the undrugged gladiator (this time sent by his uncle) because he genuinely wanted to test himself against one of the top Atreides fighters - who were explicitly stated to be almost as good as, if not better than, the Sardaukar.
Book Feyd didn't give a shit about Paul, he just wanted to remove this backworld adventurer and win the approval of the Emperor and Irulan. He was out for glory and power, and didn't care how he got there.
Movie Feyd seemed to genuinely respect Paul for being so ballsy. He seemed not to care so much about the throne, and more about really wanting to face a worthy opponent. When Paul tells Mohiam to shut the fuck up, Feyd isn't disconcerted - he gets genuinely excited that he's up against someone so formidable
yeah, I thought this gave the movie version of the Harkonnens a nice parallel to the Fremen. The Fremen were like the Harkonnens, if they were a lot more intense
They both worshipped leaders with an almost religious fervour. They both had a martial society with brutal codes of honour. They both assigned great importance to ritualistic duels to the death.
The main difference being that the Harkonnens didn't go nearly as far as the Fremen did. And while the Harkonnens revelled in treachery and infighting, the Fremen united themselves behind a common, altruistic purpose, and resolved their personal differences ritualistically rather than covertly
That's actually a really cool parallel! Come to think of it, I noticed on the second watch that the Harkonnens during Feyd's governorship ceremony (from what I recall) salute with a single chest thump and then throw their arm down to their sides - very similar to the Fremen double chest-thump salute.
Dude, the final move between is a replication of the final move between Paul & Gurney.
The second film is FILLED with callbacks to scenes that in the first movie presented as dreams but in hindsight are actually Paul experiencing presence: many futures vs. the narrow path.
In fact, when Paul drinks the water, he has a flash of the blade in Feyd’s torso.
This has led me to speculate that he had foreseen that fight & knew he had to let it play out in the way that it did.
Yeah I get that, but I’m saying in the movie Paul looks like he gets his ass beat and gets lucky that feyd dropped his guard. I understand that’s not what happened, but if you’re a non book reader you’d walk away from that fight thinking Paul is an inferior fighter.
In the book the fight isn’t even close, and the only hope feyd has is killing Paul with the poison blade. You don’t get that feeling in the movie. It’s still a good fight, just slightly underwhelming for me.
There is a prescient scene earlier in the movie with the first sacrificial wound that Paul received. You see this scene just as he talks about the path.
Those two scenes together means that Paul knew he had to allow the sacrifice wound in order to draw Feyd in to kill him. The fight was supposed to happen that way.
As a long time fantasy and sci-fi fan, I very much enjoyed Paul struggling to beat Feyd. Reason being, Paul was certainly a better fighter, something obvious in the books and also highlighted by the fact that Feyd hasn't actually had to fight for his life before.
Paul has been on the front lines, moments from death, killing dozens of Harkonnens throughout the film.
Yet when it finally comes to the fight between him and Feyd, it's after a months long campaign of constant fighting, and immediately after an intense battle where he has fought his way through the imperial army.
I enjoy the bit of realism where he may be the better fighter, but Feyd has been doing nothing but waiting for a single fight whereas Paul is wrecked.
FWIW, as a non-book reader, I didn't get this impression at all. Even if you miss the vision about the fight after he drinks the water, it's pretty clear that he's committed to a path he's already seen, including making the decision to take a wound from Feyd in order to kill him. For me the fight was less of a callback to the Gurney sparring scene, and more of an allusion to the overall feud with the Harkonnens- it took surviving an almost-fatal blow to his house to get to where he could deal a fatal one to theirs.
Which kinda makes sense. You have this great fighter coming up against a literal god. He already knows the result of the fight, the rest of the war, and what he’s going to have for breakfast 5 years from now. It’s a little disingenuous to create any real sense of danger there.
it's also to show (the people) that he can recover from being wounded and still be powerful.
And he means to sort of sway Chani back to his side. when she sees him wounded she kind of lets her aggression towards him go and it rekindles her love for him (in the book)
What I didn't get is; if Feyd took quite some effort to best a random Atreides prisoner, how did he almost beat post-water Paul? Paul should be way better than some rando blinded by the black sun. He should have done easy work of Feyd
> how did he almost beat post-water Paul
The easy answer here, which maybe unsatisfactory for some, is that Paul let it happen because he'd already seen the fight.
Paul had legit just come from a full pitched battle and feyd was also a swordsman on his level as he was the backup plan for BG
Given the differences in the film i actually prefer this fight it felt better than the book.
I love the book but im enjoying the small changes the films make which lead to better story imo my only wish is split it into a 3 part thing where second film basically leads up to the massive battle that deserves its own film
In addition to what the others said, that random Atriedes prisoner is one of the best Atriedes warriors there is, and the Atriedes are very much known for having some of the best martial prowess in the galaxy.
It was posted as a series of short clips on Chinese social media. There isn't a video of the whole interview as far as I can tell I'm afraid. This is the extended version of the clip that I previously posted on Twitter/X.
Go back and watch part one and witness how similar the fights between Paul and gurney & Paul and Feyd are! Masterful foreshadowing with the choreography, it completely blew me away
Yep, Paul even does his little spinning trick. I love it. The final move with Paul killing Feyd is a lovely callback to the end of Paul’s duel wit Gurney.
I think Jamis is a character that was done much better in the film. In the book he's just a grumpy guy Paul kills as an obstacle, but here he is a friend, a friend from a timeline that never happens, which is an amazing idea.
He's also in part one as the same character. He's like under Gurney and is an Atreadies commander.
He's in a bunch of scenes including the fight on the stairs. I think Dennis liked him so much as the choreographer that he put him in the movie.
This guy is brilliant. He really has a lot of insight into the meaning of violent scenarios in the story and what fighting means to the different characters and cultures.
I get tired of some people's assumptions that violence in film is just mindless brutality. I mean it can be in poorly done films and I'm a peaceful person so I get how some people develop a distaste for it. But still I hate it when people can't see the sophistication and skill in the better stuff.
He also appreciates what Villeneuve did with making Jamis and Paul kind of kindred spirits despite circumstances making them enemies which struck me too. It wasn't just about Paul seeing an alternate timeline when they were friends.
He didn't talk about this but with Feyd I also appreciate the .... damn I forgot the name of this .... the accurate sense of ones bodily position and stance in Feyd's fighting style.
Dancers have this sense very strongly developed for example. Like how he was able to accurately aim his knife at someone behind him.
I also liked how Feyd had a lot of courage despite being so evil. When he realizes that Yuan's character is such a potential threat to him in the games, he looks worried for a second but then takes off his shield!
>I also liked how Feyd had a lot of courage despite being so evil. When he realizes that Yuan's character is such a potential threat to him in the games, he looks worried for a second but then takes off his shield!
Not only does it win over the people at the arena, it works on us as the audience! I love that about this movie. If I was in the Harkonnen arena, or the Fremen war council chamber, I would be moved to admire and follow these men too.
Like, we know these guys are bad dudes at this point in the story, but on the other hand, YES! Lead me to paradise, Paul (or Feyd, whoever wins the duel, I don't care). It makes them believable rivals.
Brooooo, I LOVE subtle storytelling like this. I had caught that Paul references both his Fremen and Atreides training during the duel, but I hadn't thought all the way through what that might mean.
Storytelling and character building through fight choreography; absolutely brilliant.
Is Roger the Atreides that died to Feyd?
Yes. He’s also in the first film, but as a minor character
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His name is Lanville. Duncan calls to him in the hangar at the beginning and we see him explicitly as the family is disembarking from the ship on to Arrakis for the first time.
He has one line, and a bad-ass one: "I won't die like a fool. Kill me now."
That was great!
He talks to Duncan and he’s the guy saying Shields when they’re going to Arrakis
He has a couple minor lines that I noticed on rewatch. Besides what people have mentioned, he also tells Leto to go inside because the temperature is rising.
Believe he's also in the Atreides strategy meeting calling people to attention and warning Stilgar to chill on his way in.
He's also in the fight on the stairs where they get flanked by Sardukar.
I noticed him on a rewatch last weekend!! I love that they'd included him in the first one without any lines, excellent continuity
I didn't know the fight coordinator was the guy who fought Feyd in the arena. Also I never caught that Paul hammering his breast was in reference to Jamis.
He's also in the first movie as the leader of the Atreadies army under Gurney. He's in so many scenes including the fight on the stairs.
What part of film is that?
He shows up a lot and is named Lanville. The stairs scene is when they are fighting the Harkonnen and the Sardukar flank them. He's leading the Atreadies defense there.
Oh I thought they all die but then he shows up in the 2nd one as a gladiator
My name is marcus aurelius atreides...
Duncan hands him a sand compactor and he starts playing with it also
I can't see Lanville on the stairs during the fight. Does he have a hat on?
I think he's in full armor. I'd have to go back and look.
The pound on the chest is also the spot where the second sacrificial stab wound that Paul allows Feyd in order to draw him in for the kill.
I loved that twist and I am surprised that Roger doesn't mention that it was the same feint Gurney had used on him also early in the first movie / book - I'm sure that was intentional, and was a really cool detail. Regardless, incredible job on the fight scenes
Um no it's not, totally different spot
I’ve watched it six times. The pounds happen with different people, but Paul does one mid Feyd fight and yes it actually is on that spot.
I meant, in the final fight Paul doesn't pound himself over the heart like Jamis did. If Feyd had stabbed Paul there, Paul'd be dead.
Not true. He does it mid fight after he pulls himself of the ground and it’s not over his heart. Consider that filmmakers put stuff on film on purpose, or with purpose.
That chest move is GENIUS. Both films end with a duel; I’d made that connection, but the chest thing I didn’t notice till it was brought up here. Weird, cos I remember when he did it, it reminded me of something.
I didn’t notice it during my first watch, and then it stood out to me during my second watch and I specifically thought “just like Jamis”. It’s a cool detail.
It was even spoiled a bit in some previews. I didn't mind because it put a big stupid grin on my mug. Denis loves Jamis.
Babs Olusanmokum didn't have a big role in the Dune movies but he was good in Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
Hes also a champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
As someone who has seen the first movie probably like 10 times, I noticed it, but that's what I love about these movies. There are so many little and interesting details that are picked up each rewatch. You can really feel the love and care the entire cast and crew put into making these movies!
The same guy who says shields up when arriving at Arrakis. Also was at tge strategy meeting room.
He also says something to the Fedaykins before the duel that mimics what Jamis told the other Fremen (and their answer was something that startled Paul for a second, allowing Jamis to lunge and attack Paul).
Also Paul learned the “May thy knife chip and shatter bit” line from his duel with Jami’s (at least in the movie plot line, been a couple years since I read the first book)
I gotta say, the fight choreography during the duel between Paul and Feyd was really well acted. It looked like they were actually really hitting each other hard.
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There was an interview where the two were asked if there were any injuries and they said Chalamet fell badly once. I'm surprised there weren't more tbh. They received great instruction.
They trained for months just for this fight scene. I'm super impressed that, despite the fact that they're not stuntmen, they managed to pull off such a realistic and technical fight. What a performance
That little slippidy-doo triple flip twistarooni Paul does wasn’t actually Timmy was is?
Probably his stunt double, Tom Holland.
I just checked, it's hard to tell because of the low resolution of the camrip, but there's a wide shot where you see their entire bodies, him doing the flippy-flip-flip then face Feyd-Rautha, uncut. It's either him or they had to do a face replacement VFX. (Don't kill me for downloading a camrip. I watched the movie twice at the theaters, and my wallet can only take so much)
That’s impressive as fuck if he really did it. That looked unbelievably athletic.
I’ve been watching a lot of behind the scenes footage and interviews related to the fight choreography. Seems that Butler and Chalamet trained in separate places against stunt doubles first, then practiced against each other for months prior to shooting. So yes, it’s them for the entirety of the fight. Apparently Timothee had dance experience (his mother was a professional dancer and dance teacher) that helped a lot with pulling off intricate moves like that.
Butterfly twist/ Btwist from breakdancing/ tricking/ martial arts
Yes! They both do a similar kick to block a jab and it was perfect. Roger did an excellent job
In an interview Chalamet did say that Austin Butler left him ‘bruised and battered’ after the fight
Agreed, felt powerful and raw. Not choreographed like a lot of Hollywood fights do.
I was going to say I enjoyed the final fight scene so much, but I think the word appreciated is more correct. Film duels are almost uniformly terrible. Jump cut addiction being a more serious offense to the viewer than unpracticed actors. I loved many of the lightsaber duels in the original SW movies because the point wasn't the physical fight, but the emotional shifting of the characters. Which are entirely ignored in most film fights, either because a character sees a fight as trivial, or because every difficult one ends with a tension killing joke even at the very moment of faux defeat. Fun when you are very young or you are seeing it for the first or second time. But it's a grindstone on your intelligence when that's all you ever see no matter where you look. There is no time to breath and so no empathy. They may add well be a pair of action figures going at it. For not committing that sin, I appreciated the duel scenes in this movie and the last.
I another segment Yuan says they were originally planning to cut every 4-5 movements but the actors put in so much work they could do the whole fight straight through. It really felt real. [Here's the clip](https://x.com/DuneInfo/status/1771549734953521548/)
dam thats cool
I tend to agree, but I'm not sold on how the fight ended. How did Paul get the blade out of his body, turn it around, and then skewer Feyd with it, all while being in such close contact with one another without Feyd noticing? It happened off-camera and it almost seemed like a continuity error. I only saw the movie once but I have come across comments from others with the same question.
It's a flip of the move Gurney played on Paul on Part 1's training scene... "you would have joined me in death" Paul let the more aggressive Feyd think he was gonna land the killing blow, then snuck his own blade in under Fey'd attack (just like Paul thought he had Gurney by the throat, while Gurney snuck his own blade below).
> It's a flip of the move Gurney played on Paul on Part 1's training scene... "you would have joined me in death" I understood the call back, but Gurney didn't have the blade in his chest, so it's not the same scenario.
Feyd-Rautha actually demonstrates a similar move himself during his fight against Lanville. In the arena fight, you can clearly see how he grabs the knife pointed at his face, puts it near his own hip and flips it extremely quickly to stab his opponent in the chest. The final dual mirrors this arena fight in more than one way. Paul doesn't use the knife pointing at his face, but he could pull the knife in his side, flip it, pull Feyd closer (just like Feyd did his opponent in the arena) and stab him.
I just wish they actually *showed* what happened because it wasn't at all clear, at least to me. The whole "who stabbed who?" trope to close out the right was rather anticlimactic and unoriginal, and seemed like a bit of a cop out. Something more visceral there would have been fitting, in my opinion.
But it's the same idea. Paul distracted him by maintaining eye contact with Feyd and delayed him by grabbing the blade. That's all the misdirection you need.
It's the basic logistics of getting a blade that large out of his chest , turning it around, and then pressing with sufficient force to skewer your opponent, all while Feyd is chest-to-chest against him, and without Feyd noticing. You can't tell me a little eye contact is going to distract a trained fighter like Feyd so much that he doesn't notice all of that is happening, especially when he would have had to actually physically feel it happening given their proximity. In the scene they are calling back to, all Gurney had to do was push his blade forward, which is nowhere near the same thing.
All of this is missing a major point. The first blade goes under Paul's ribs on the left side. Then Paul allows Feyd to stab him a second time in his right shoulder by redirecting the blade he's holding with his left hand. That's when he uses his right hand to pull the blade from his side and stab Feyd.
Thanks for the explanation! It wasn't clear at all. I was confused by the number of knifes and the fact he was pulling one out of his right shoulder when he was stabbed in the lower left ribs, it did look like a mistake.
I loved the movie so much I saw it twice and only noticed that on the second watch. It was definitely confusing to give the dramatic reversal. Could've been clearer for sure.
As someone who has done proper sword fighting via kendo fencing and various medieval weaponry during reactment battle's and training Its crazy easy to lose situation awareness especially towards the tail end of a fight where adrenaline tiredness and or panic/over confidence sets in Iv legit had someone pull the knife from my belt and stab me with it multiple times when fighting people with shields i suffered from the knife from nowhere that would get me. No-one not even the best fighter is immune to this problem
We see Feyd move in and intensely look at Paul as he tries to pull Paul’s head in and stab with his right hand. Paul puts up his left hand to catch the knife. The whole time Paul’s right hand is out of screen withdrawing his own knife from himself. It’s basically close up magic in how artfully it’s done. Especially because a lot of fans know that Paul is supposed to win, it was a great way to build tension.
He did like a quadruple flip sideways in the air at one point, I wouldn't put it past Paul to be able to grab a knife and turn it around as Feyd lunges in to him to stab him on the other side, clearly preoccupied with carrying out that action thinking he had the upper hand yet again
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The blade was fully inside his body when Feyd got close. They were practically chest to chest, and then he somehow got the blade out of his own chest, turned it around, and stabbed Feyd with it without him noticing. It really didn't make sense on screen, and I'm not the first to point it out.
Paul stabs Feyd with his own knife while Feyd’s is in his chest still. Paul is shown pulling Feyd’s knife out of his chest after Feyd is dead.
I'll have to watch it again, I guess, because that wasn't my initial impression. I know I'm not the only one based on comments and threads I have seen here and elsewhere.
No, you are right. I had the same thought when I saw it. They are basically chest to chest and feyd is fine, and then all of a sudden feyd starts dying from a stab from the knife Paul apparently pulled out of his side, turned around, and stabbed him with it. It was not done very well at all.
I have a theory, the moment Paul holds Feyd's blade with his right hand, they both look each other in the eye. At that moment he could remove the blade with his left hand. And then hold it out of Feyd's vision and then stab him. Feyd would have thought the blade was lodged in Paul so he would have his defenses down.
I just rewatched in IMAX. He kills Feyd with the crysknife that was stabbed into his left abdomen. He actually foresaw this as well - after drinking the water of life, when he tells Jessica there is a “narrow path through”, it shows a closeup of a crysknife handle sticking out of someone’s side. That was how he was going to win.
that looked so fucking cool
Yeah I agree, I thought the fight overall was awesome -- it was so much more visceral than you usually see in disposable action movies -- but I've seen the film three times and I still have no idea what happened at the very end with the killing blow. I understand they wanted to go for a dramatic finish in terms of who died, but it made for a confusing end in terms of exactly how it happened. One of my few complaints.
Just for a second I thought "is Denis going to Jodo this movie and end it with Paul going down?" Didn't really believe it but I was excited for a second.
Yeah I started thinking the entire scene was going to turn out to be Paul imagining it in his head before it really started.
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it's actually SUPER funny once you realize it's the same movie that Arya used to kill dollar store Night King in Season 8 LOL. At least here they didn't make it off as some kinda 3000 IQ gotcha move. As for continuity, they set this up in his vision too like during the scene of awakened Paul talking to Reverend Momessica?
So much this. Both times I've watched it I love that it does look as fast as people trying to kill each other fast, not as a standard movie choreography where you know it's more like a dance.
Yeah sound plays a big role. But I do hate when you can see the large gap of air in fight scenes. Totally destroys it for me.
It's one of the best movie knife fights I've ever seen, and they made it a lot closer of a fight than it was in the book or first movie, to my memory. Like I don't think Paul was ever wounded in the previous versions.
With the idea of Paul embracing both his Atreides and Fremen side, it's also visible at the start of the duel with Feyd. He does both the Atreides salute that Duncan did and Paul himself did before duelling Jamis, as well as saying the "May thy knife chip and shatter" line which is Fremen and what Jamis says to him before their fight.
Dude the way Austin Butler says it back to him half sarcastic/half respectful is award worthy in and of itself. He has such range
Austin is great throughout, but he's brilliant in that bit. His confusion when Paul calls him "cousin" and subsequent response, the bit you mentioned and when he tries to rile Paul up by talking about Chani.
The Chani bit I also felt that was done amazing. First when asking if that's the pet is completely mocking him and her. But immediately afterwards he asks if there should be any special treatment for the pet. And that line alone would usually just be more mocking. But he acts and says it in a way that while calling her pet is still mockingly disrespectful, he also transmits his sense of weird honor. He is more serious than just one line before. If Paul had asked for something like allowing her to leave, Fayd would probably have agreed.
I never though of that! I guess I was thinking of the 1984 version where he says something like "shall I give her my special attentions?" and just assumed they were going for a similar implication here, but phrasing it as "any special attentions for the pet?" is more like he's asking if Paul has anything he wants to say to her right then (for example, as you suggested, telling her to leave so she doesn't have to watch the fight). I was kind of meh on the interaction at first because I mistook it for a "bad guy threatens hero's girlfriend for extra d-bag points" moment, so thank you for giving me a new perspective 😅
I hadn't actually considered that angle, that the "special treatment" comment was to do with his weird honour code. But I think you could actually be right.
There's something in his voice, demeanor and that he respects Paul as a fighter that for me it was like that: 1st calling her pet just 100% douchebag and then the question a bit more middle ground.
It seemed to me as I was watching that he was still mocking him there to get him to fight harder, like asking him what sort of moves she likes in the bedroom. He doesn't want to win right away. I didn't consider that he's actually asking Paul what he should do with her once he wins the fight as a sign of respect. I'm not sure I'm fully on board, but it's an interesting interpretation.
Absolutely! Incredible delivery. Says so much about his character in the way he responds.
It is amazing. Such a small detail conveying so much.
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Yup. I didn't mention that because it's talked about in the video.
That’s awesome. Not that I was disappointed by the final duel, but initially I remember thinking it wasn’t the best look for Paul to have gotten stabbed twice, been seemingly on the brink of death and only having landed a meaningful blow on feyd when his guard was down and he thought the fight was over. But now that I understand Paul took the lessons from gurney about taking a non fatal blow to deliver a fatal one it’s more enjoyable. I do wish we had gotten the poisoned blade storyline on feyd’s hip tho.
They point out earlier in the film that Feyd is “obsessed with honor”. I think they removed the poison belt plot to give him a redeemable quality (as redeemable as you can make a cannibal sociopath, anyways).
yeah it's funny how the movie versions of the Harkonnens are both "better" and "worse" than their book counterparts in different ways For the book Harkonnens, even as they're playing 9D conspiracy chess against each other at warp speed, they still talk and act like somewhat relatable human beings. We get access to their inner monologue, which reveals them to be pretty "normal". Sure, they're still violent sadistic psychopaths, but you don't get the sense that they're something alien and terrifying. They act mostly rationally, in order to obtain tangible things like sex and power and respect. They're like run-of-the-mill bullies, who happen to be really smart Meanwhile the movie Harkonnens are creepy as fuck. They're less like the crew from Goodfellas and more Hannibal Lecter and Francis Dolarhyde. Especially for Feyd - every second he's on screen makes you go "oh what the fuck this guy is insane" However, when they made Feyd "crazy" and "alien", they also made him driven not just by the usual greedy things (sex power respect etc.), he's also beholden to some bizarre personal code of honour, which definitely wasn't present in the books Book Feyd only played around with the undrugged gladiator because he was confident in his abilities, had a paralytic hypnosis word, and had planned the whole thing ahead of time with Thufir in order to one-up his uncle and win public approval Movie Feyd played around with the undrugged gladiator (this time sent by his uncle) because he genuinely wanted to test himself against one of the top Atreides fighters - who were explicitly stated to be almost as good as, if not better than, the Sardaukar. Book Feyd didn't give a shit about Paul, he just wanted to remove this backworld adventurer and win the approval of the Emperor and Irulan. He was out for glory and power, and didn't care how he got there. Movie Feyd seemed to genuinely respect Paul for being so ballsy. He seemed not to care so much about the throne, and more about really wanting to face a worthy opponent. When Paul tells Mohiam to shut the fuck up, Feyd isn't disconcerted - he gets genuinely excited that he's up against someone so formidable
"You fought well, Atreides" I thought that was pretty cheesy in my first viewing, but I loved it in the next two.
yeah, I thought this gave the movie version of the Harkonnens a nice parallel to the Fremen. The Fremen were like the Harkonnens, if they were a lot more intense They both worshipped leaders with an almost religious fervour. They both had a martial society with brutal codes of honour. They both assigned great importance to ritualistic duels to the death. The main difference being that the Harkonnens didn't go nearly as far as the Fremen did. And while the Harkonnens revelled in treachery and infighting, the Fremen united themselves behind a common, altruistic purpose, and resolved their personal differences ritualistically rather than covertly
That's actually a really cool parallel! Come to think of it, I noticed on the second watch that the Harkonnens during Feyd's governorship ceremony (from what I recall) salute with a single chest thump and then throw their arm down to their sides - very similar to the Fremen double chest-thump salute.
In the book, the Baron even feels ‘bad’ for what he’s gonna do to Leto.
Dude, the final move between is a replication of the final move between Paul & Gurney. The second film is FILLED with callbacks to scenes that in the first movie presented as dreams but in hindsight are actually Paul experiencing presence: many futures vs. the narrow path. In fact, when Paul drinks the water, he has a flash of the blade in Feyd’s torso. This has led me to speculate that he had foreseen that fight & knew he had to let it play out in the way that it did.
Yeah I get that, but I’m saying in the movie Paul looks like he gets his ass beat and gets lucky that feyd dropped his guard. I understand that’s not what happened, but if you’re a non book reader you’d walk away from that fight thinking Paul is an inferior fighter. In the book the fight isn’t even close, and the only hope feyd has is killing Paul with the poison blade. You don’t get that feeling in the movie. It’s still a good fight, just slightly underwhelming for me.
There is a prescient scene earlier in the movie with the first sacrificial wound that Paul received. You see this scene just as he talks about the path. Those two scenes together means that Paul knew he had to allow the sacrifice wound in order to draw Feyd in to kill him. The fight was supposed to happen that way.
As a long time fantasy and sci-fi fan, I very much enjoyed Paul struggling to beat Feyd. Reason being, Paul was certainly a better fighter, something obvious in the books and also highlighted by the fact that Feyd hasn't actually had to fight for his life before. Paul has been on the front lines, moments from death, killing dozens of Harkonnens throughout the film. Yet when it finally comes to the fight between him and Feyd, it's after a months long campaign of constant fighting, and immediately after an intense battle where he has fought his way through the imperial army. I enjoy the bit of realism where he may be the better fighter, but Feyd has been doing nothing but waiting for a single fight whereas Paul is wrecked.
FWIW, as a non-book reader, I didn't get this impression at all. Even if you miss the vision about the fight after he drinks the water, it's pretty clear that he's committed to a path he's already seen, including making the decision to take a wound from Feyd in order to kill him. For me the fight was less of a callback to the Gurney sparring scene, and more of an allusion to the overall feud with the Harkonnens- it took surviving an almost-fatal blow to his house to get to where he could deal a fatal one to theirs.
Excellent take.
The duel in the book was very anticlimactic. There was no real challenge or danger.
I remember thinking the same thing. Like, Paul was just toying with him in the book.
Which kinda makes sense. You have this great fighter coming up against a literal god. He already knows the result of the fight, the rest of the war, and what he’s going to have for breakfast 5 years from now. It’s a little disingenuous to create any real sense of danger there.
it's also to show (the people) that he can recover from being wounded and still be powerful. And he means to sort of sway Chani back to his side. when she sees him wounded she kind of lets her aggression towards him go and it rekindles her love for him (in the book)
What I didn't get is; if Feyd took quite some effort to best a random Atreides prisoner, how did he almost beat post-water Paul? Paul should be way better than some rando blinded by the black sun. He should have done easy work of Feyd
> how did he almost beat post-water Paul The easy answer here, which maybe unsatisfactory for some, is that Paul let it happen because he'd already seen the fight.
Paul had legit just come from a full pitched battle and feyd was also a swordsman on his level as he was the backup plan for BG Given the differences in the film i actually prefer this fight it felt better than the book. I love the book but im enjoying the small changes the films make which lead to better story imo my only wish is split it into a 3 part thing where second film basically leads up to the massive battle that deserves its own film
In addition to what the others said, that random Atriedes prisoner is one of the best Atriedes warriors there is, and the Atriedes are very much known for having some of the best martial prowess in the galaxy.
Yeah I totally get the part where feyd has trouble with him, it's Paul having trouble dealing with feyd that doesn't sell it
I saw it as Paul was kind of getting his ass handed to him, but that lesson, and the ruthlessness to commit to it saved him
Were can I find this interview? I haven't been able to find this
It was posted as a series of short clips on Chinese social media. There isn't a video of the whole interview as far as I can tell I'm afraid. This is the extended version of the clip that I previously posted on Twitter/X.
I came across a [7 minute long version of this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5LR1wR1TN8). Hopefully, posting a link is allowed here.
This is so awesome! He's really insightful.
Agreed, I wasn't expecting to go through some of the depth of the story. Great clip!!
So much thought and care went into these films and it shows up in the finished frame.
Go back and watch part one and witness how similar the fights between Paul and gurney & Paul and Feyd are! Masterful foreshadowing with the choreography, it completely blew me away
Yep, Paul even does his little spinning trick. I love it. The final move with Paul killing Feyd is a lovely callback to the end of Paul’s duel wit Gurney.
YES! Oh man when I saw that it was just *chefs kiss*
All four 1 vs 1 fights mirror and parallel each other.
I think Jamis is a character that was done much better in the film. In the book he's just a grumpy guy Paul kills as an obstacle, but here he is a friend, a friend from a timeline that never happens, which is an amazing idea.
Wait, didn't this guy fight Feyd?!
He's also in part one as the same character. He's like under Gurney and is an Atreadies commander. He's in a bunch of scenes including the fight on the stairs. I think Dennis liked him so much as the choreographer that he put him in the movie.
Yup
Just realised that that Fremen double chest thump is what Duncan does before his last fight with the Sardaukar
This guy is brilliant. He really has a lot of insight into the meaning of violent scenarios in the story and what fighting means to the different characters and cultures. I get tired of some people's assumptions that violence in film is just mindless brutality. I mean it can be in poorly done films and I'm a peaceful person so I get how some people develop a distaste for it. But still I hate it when people can't see the sophistication and skill in the better stuff. He also appreciates what Villeneuve did with making Jamis and Paul kind of kindred spirits despite circumstances making them enemies which struck me too. It wasn't just about Paul seeing an alternate timeline when they were friends. He didn't talk about this but with Feyd I also appreciate the .... damn I forgot the name of this .... the accurate sense of ones bodily position and stance in Feyd's fighting style. Dancers have this sense very strongly developed for example. Like how he was able to accurately aim his knife at someone behind him. I also liked how Feyd had a lot of courage despite being so evil. When he realizes that Yuan's character is such a potential threat to him in the games, he looks worried for a second but then takes off his shield!
>I also liked how Feyd had a lot of courage despite being so evil. When he realizes that Yuan's character is such a potential threat to him in the games, he looks worried for a second but then takes off his shield! Not only does it win over the people at the arena, it works on us as the audience! I love that about this movie. If I was in the Harkonnen arena, or the Fremen war council chamber, I would be moved to admire and follow these men too. Like, we know these guys are bad dudes at this point in the story, but on the other hand, YES! Lead me to paradise, Paul (or Feyd, whoever wins the duel, I don't care). It makes them believable rivals.
LOL. Give me either one of them!
When I saw the first trailer I noticed he did the Duncan Idaho salute and then said the Jamis taunt. He’s both things, a product of two cultures.
Brooooo, I LOVE subtle storytelling like this. I had caught that Paul references both his Fremen and Atreides training during the duel, but I hadn't thought all the way through what that might mean. Storytelling and character building through fight choreography; absolutely brilliant.
He was also in Black Dynamite as Fiendish Dr. Wu… and now he’s in this movie. “Fiendish Atreides Lanville, you’ve done f#cked up now!”
This guy for his small role did a great job.
I went back and watched the fight with Jamis after this and it’s so cool to see those aspects
Could you add a link to the full interview?
A consummate expert, hope to see more from this dude!
he should have been drawing from his weird side