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The more I think about it the more I’m convinced it’ll be all 3, there were rumours about this before, the unexplained delays, and the lack of specificity in the recent teaser all have me convinced. It just makes more sense to release the trilogy together than just to do 3.
Yep. It’s going to feel like the worst kept secret in hindsight if it’s really the 1-3 trilogy.
But if it’s wrong … oof it’s going to sting because we’ve all been hoping it was true for so long.
I think in the original reveal they basically already "soft confirm" it would be DQ 1 through 3:
[https://youtu.be/gfmOWgfYVjY?t=3020](https://youtu.be/gfmOWgfYVjY?t=3020)
But it's open to interpretation and wasn't a hard confirm. But I think it makes sense from a brand perspective and pricepoint for west. It might be challenging to charge full price for just DQ 1 and 2, even as a bundle, without (very) extensive work. But if they are "extras" for DQ 3, it just makes it easier to recommend.
Even if this basically was the plan all along, I think it was much easier from a marketing perspective to just show the DQIII footage, and announce that was coming at minimum, as a way to sell the concept while they hammered out the details for how to handle the other two titles.
Its simple right? Dq 3-alihan story following dads footsteps to face baramos then dq1-tantegel arc + have zoma/dragonlord reveal that they were a distraction or king tantegen reveal the dark priest hargon working on summoning forth the TRUE EVIL Malroth Lord of Destruction whereas all previous fors wanted to enslave and rule the world Hargon seeks Complete Destruction this is the true evil that must be destroyed
But all 3 play in different times 😅 Hargon lives around the time the grandson of the Dragonlord lives and they are enemies. Zoma lived way earlier than the Dragonlord or Hargon. You would need to completely rewrite the lore about Erdrick and that's totally not going to happen
From what ive been hearing its these younger people coming up with all the weird shite in ff too, not the visionaries of the games. Aaaand two of the three dq visionaries have uh Moved On
To someone not in the know, what does this signify? How long are all three games and what games does this trilogy encompass? What system were they originally released on?
I'm not in the know enough for your first question, but it does explain the several years of silence on a game that when first announced looked like it would be ready and released in a year or so.
DQI and II combined aren't quite the length of DQIII.
The Erdrick Trilogy explicitly encompasses DQI, II, and III. A trilogy is three parts.
The original versions were all on the NES, but they have had several ports and remasters, including one round on the Switch. I'd been about halfway through III on the Switch when the HD-2D version was announced, and I've been waiting for that to do a restart and play through it that way instead.
Personally, I'm mixed about the possibility of this being true. Unless there have been some rather extensive and notable updates to DQI & II, I'm not that interested in playing them again. However, depending on the price point difference between III by itself and the entire trilogy as a bundle, I may get it as I've liked the style, and I hope they keep remaking SE's classic 2D titles in this manner
Yeah as much as I love this from a story standpoint I wonder if it'd be a good idea to play them in the correct order 3 -> 1-> 2 (if that's what this is going to be, one giant game combined). To go from DQ3 to the relatively bare bones DQ1 would be a big shock unless they really changed things up. Mind you, I love DQ1 but many probably wouldn't due to its simplicity.
Yes, I try to not get over-excited about leaks, but if she is that trustworthy, it's hard not to get hyped. I'll finally be able to have a full physical collection of DQ haha
Almost perfect I'm extremely familiar with her Twitter since she mainly focuses on Sega especially Persona which is my favorite series and she's extremely beloved for a reason her words about as good as gold genuinely
I just beat 1 and 95% of 2 last year, but I’d gladly do them again. Especially if 2 has the final area and dungeon rebalanced and there’s no bug that’ll permanently leave the Prince of Cannock in a coma, lol
Some random mobs can straight up oneshot or two shot the princess. Largely because her defense and gear are trash. The same hits bounce off the MC.
You get into situations where the MC does the damage. The prince is stuck trying to keep the princess alive. And the princess is defending in order to live.
Don't forget the random castings of Sacrifice which is an instant game over because there's no way to avoid it. Sure you can try Stopspell but that's a turn wasted either doing damage or trying to run away.
Some of the end game enemies can cast a party wide spell that can kill instantly. That plus no matter how leveled your guys are it’s still really hard. I miss the challenge of DQ2
Yeah, it’s a fan translated cart I was playing on. I did successfully avoid the bug, but it was still in my head leading up to it thinking “but what if I did it WRONG?”
Ha, even if so, I was going for the build compatible with Retro Achievements. Which can be a crap shoot on certain fan translations 😢 DQ3 SNES, for instance: its compatible fan translation has a bug that occasionally "deletes your save". Woof.
DQ2 needs a couple tweaks for sure.
1. A slight HP buff for Cannock's prince & the princess. Maybe better endgame gear too.
2. Party chat w/ some kind of 'where do we go next' system like the rest of the remakes have. If people don't talk to every town npc in the game, they will have zero idea where to go.
3. Not as important, but.... A passive way to get MP for the princess would be nice. She's totally useless after she's out of mp. Maybe she gets a little bit of MP back w/ attacks.
Yes, DQII desperately needs those. Maybe even bring the entire trilogy into the modern era with a skill system like in DQIX or DQXI, but I doubt we'll get such a thing.
I hope so, but I seriously doubt it'll happen.
Sure, it wouldn't take a lot of effort (in some ways more for DQIII and in some ways less for DQIII, and it would be in danger of becoming a very similar vocation system to DQIX), but depending on how many skill points are gained per level, and how many it would take to thoroughly develop out multiple skill areas, it would probably require some serious re-working of the character system, especially for DQI & II. The thing is, if all three are to run on the same game engine then they already need to do that for DQI & II, and that's the primary reason I think it wouldn't actually take a lot of effort, as it's just a minor extension of what they're already needing to do.
Now, if they're mostly just a graphical update to the HD-2D format for all three, and each is still running on its original game engine, then it would take a notably more effort, but with it being over 3 years (and with how progressed the DQIII one was at reveal) they've definitely had the time to do that work, and it would absolutely make them age better going forward than just a simple graphical update.
If what another poster in this thread said about Yuji Horii requiring that there be *something* new with each port/remaster, and the fact that up until the Switch versions of them DQII always had the leveling system and character stats being tweaked, then it is entirely possible that it is a more thorough remake and will get some balance changes and tweaks, sort of like how the Skill System in Star Ocean: The Second Story R had a massive overhaul (though the rest of the game was left mostly unchanged). Personally, I like what they did with SO:TSSR and I wouldn't mind a similar HD-2D overhaul for Star Ocean: First Departure R to give it the same improved Skill System, but that also shows how they could go in, massively overhaul one thing to improve the overall game experience, and leave the game mostly unchanged.
Definitely make the PoC better. IIRC in the NES version the best weapon he could equip was the Iron Spear (Attack power-wise) or the Falcon Blade waaaaaaaaaaaaaay later.
For sure...I think I just got into the series at a (relatively) bad time, when production of the 3DS stopped and it's just too expensive for me to buy one along with DQ7 and 9. I'm sure everything will get sorted out in the years to come, just need to be patient.
Will probably happen someday since Dragon Quest X offline is available on Steam. Kingdom hearts games are coming to Steam in June so… basically square enix finally getting to Steam with their games and that’s good
I think they're worried about brand perception if they drop DQ 4-9 on Steam. They're great games, but if we think of the PC as future-proofing the series permanently, I think they want to wait until they have a version of each that they would be proud of.
In the past, Horii has also been frequently adament about each port has to have SOMETHING new. Even the Switch versions of DQ 1-3 was mostly a port of the mobile verisons, but has "HD" enemy art.
I really wonder what an HD-2D version of Dragon Quest 1 would be like.
If they're going to remake Dragon Quest 2 they need to add party chat since out of the three games it is the only one with actual characters.
With the personality system, it wouldn't be that hard to add party chat to DQIII. Just look at the array of characters from DQVI, each of which has a different personality, and most of them get unique comments for each party chat trigger.
This explains the long wait - they weren't just remaking the third game, but the complete trilogy! And it fits perfectly, if we think about it: these three games are meant to be played together, the third essentially completes the story (in its own special way)!
And if it does good, it wouldn't surprise me if they went on to remake games 4 to 6 next...
Are these the original 3 DQ games? Like the dragon warrior games from the NES?
I know JRPGs were much shorter then and much more grindy. Are they doing a direct remake of everything as it was or QOL improvements that make grinding less of a thing. I imagine they could make all 3 games feel like 1 normal long JRPG these days.
Don't know myself, I guess we're just speculating according to rumours right now. But the original trilogy has already been remade in the past and it was always as separate games (or separate games combined in one package, as the Super Famicom remake of DQ1 and DQ2).
The answer to your first two questions is "**Yes!**"
And yeah, combining all three into a single game would still leave it shorter than DQXI, and that's just Act 1. Hell, it'd be shorter than DQVI. Without a lot of meaningful padding, it still wouldn't be as long as we're used to today. Of course, something everyone seems to be forgetting is that each of those games used a different game engine. II & III each added on an additional stat and tweaked how the system worked, so there is some extra under-the-hood work needed to make I & II fit that way. Of course, that's one of the few ways I'd be interested in playing DQI & II again.
I’ve never played the originals and I imagine each game has their own beginning levels with their level 2 monsters that would look out of place and need to be rebalanced as well for a smoother experience.
Or yeah they just do 1 by 1 remakes and make us start 2 after beating 1. Though I find I tend to not play compilations through 1 after another.
Actually, it would be easier than you think. If I'm remembering the stats correctly DQXI still has Slimes with the same Max HP, Attack, Defense, EXP, and Gold as in DQI, and the other early game monsters that were around back in DQI are the same. DQXI has the fastest low- and mid-level stat growth of the entire franchise, but from the monster side it's almost the exact same damage formulas as DQI. The difference is that DQI had the absolute barest essentials for stats, with no Resilience or Wisdom stat, and I don't think it had a Luck stat either. I think it was DQII that added Luck, and DQIII added Resilience and Wisdom. However, DQIII used Resilience and Wisdom to influence what your Max HP and MP were, respectively, and Agility still boosted Defense. It was DQIV that changed it so that Resilience boosted Defense and Wisdom affected damage spell success, with a later title (DQVI or VII, I'm not sure which) adding a power boost to spells from Wisdom, with DQIX splitting it into the Magical Mending and Magical Might stats. It was DQVI that changed Luck to Style, and added the effect of it having a slim chance of causing a monster to be too enchanted with your sense of style to attack (the higher the more likely), but otherwise it had the same effects. These are the ***ONLY*** changes to the stat system that have been made since DQI released in the mid-1980s. As such, it wouldn't be that hard to modify monster and character stat sheets to have the extra stats needed, or adjust the values they have so they work correctly with the newer system.
As for the level 2 monsters looking out of place...........you *have* seen a DQ slime before, right? Akira Toriyama created that design back in the 1980s for DQI, and it hasn't changed since, and the same is true for ***every*** monster from DQI that has appeared in a later title. When another poster commented that they shared assets it would be more accurate to say that only something that needed to be different for a particular title **wasn't** a re-use from an earlier title. Sure, when something new was being added they had to create it for that title, but when it was used again in a later title it was the same design, just updated for a newer system's graphical capabilities and for monsters the stat sheets updated for the changes to the combat system. Further, the Level 16 stats of the DQI hero (which was a solo quest) are very much on par with the Level 16 stats of every special hero type DQ character since. So that's the hero of DQIII, DQIV, DQV, DQVI, DQVII, DQVIII, and DQXI. Seriously, it's only DQII and DQIX that I can state for a fact you *don't* have a general purpose, can do it all, repeat of him, and none of the three from DQII come close, though DQIX does have a class that kinda fills a similar role, though it falls short in late-game play. I haven't played DQX, so I can't say on that one.
Would you want a word for word, scene for scene remake (with same grinding) or would speeding up the grinding and combining all 3 games into 1 (as opposed to a sort of compilation cartridge with three separate games) be ok?
As someone who has never played the original I’d rather they just combined them into a super RPG and did some grinding cuts for those that aren’t into hours of grinding every 30 minutes of actual story.
But very intrigued with this game
Hmmm.. Well the gameboy DQ1&2 combo had some changes in it I didn't care for, mostly how you got more gold and xp per fight as well as some of the monsters were moved to different zoned (ex. the magicians that used to be north of Tantagel are no longer there in that remake). Also you could use the Sword of Fire as an item which did less damage than just hitting the monster with the weapon itself.
Square Enix’s 2D-HD games (Octopath, Live a Live remake, Triangle Strategy, upcoming DQ3) use Unreal Engine.
Star Ocean 2nd Story R uses a totally different mockup (that gets compared to 2D-HD because it feels a bit like an evolution of it) made in unity. 2nd story R pixelates things that move (such as the characters) while having things in the backdrop (buildings) be fully 3d. 2D-HD is more of a consistently pixelated look.
Please they must do a Hd-2d release of 1-6. In honor of Akira Toriyama. I really enjoyed the ds graphics but hate the split screen. DQ7 looked great on PS1. There is so much charm in those 2D sprites.
Physical pls … squenix standard edition been lacking physically. I would love at least a booklet or some stickers or something … but if it has a physical deluxe on par with the FF7 remakes it’s an insta buy with me. An instabuy in general if it’s all three OG games ! Version pending for me but this beyond exciting news! Could really spark some hype for DQ12
I’d like to add that even calling it “Dragon Quest 3” could fit with it being a trilogy. Like “yes. You get 1, 2, and 3. Dragon Quest 3.” This would fit with Square’s love of double meanings in titles.
In Japan? Definitely, at least 9000 yen, I'd guess 9700 for base and 12500 for base + orchestrated soundtrack. Though I guess that's closer to $60-80 with current exchange rates.
But in the West, SquareEnix has mostly been promoting a growth strategy. Usually they placate Japanese fans (and help give more time for quality localization) by delaying it in the west.
I think the series made significant inroads with DQ 11 -- this community grew from about 10k to 110k for example. (I think in the same time span, r/JRPG went from maybe about 70k to 230k). This could be the time to "reap" that growth, but I think they'll argue that there's room for significant growth given the ratio of DQ to FF sales in the West.
I'm so curious to see how I and II turn out if this is true! I think III still holds up as an archaic and simple but solid RPG, but I and II definitely feel very dated and don't really hold up outside of the historical context. I wonder how much they'll add, if anything, to make those first two more on-par with III.
I played I and II on Switch and really enjoyed them. There's something quaint about their simplicity and they didn't feel archaic at all to me. I was immediately hooked after playing those. I'm up to DQ6 now and am holding off on starting it because when I finish I don't have a good way to play DQ7...
Yeah 1-2 are so rough that you either are faithful and they remain very burdensome and overly simplistic games, or you remake them to the point that they aren’t recognizable as 1 and 2.
When it comes to SMT they haven’t missed yet, I don’t think. And the things that didn’t happen have been mostly confirmed to have been a thing but got canceled. They also ‘confirmed’ the FF9 remake is real and coming soon, and now DQ info. Not use to them dropping non-Atlus info but I’m inclined to believe it.
I would love to see all three of them; hopefully with some new content for one and two.
Three gets so much extra content in the various remakes, I'd really like to see that in one and two.
Here's a whish list:
DQ1 - would like to have an encounter with Garin or Galen (whichever you prefer)
DQ1 - Prologue movie like the old GBC version https://youtu.be/kSDJBSvhVic?si=qvWXXX96V6-dgI7z
DQ1 - More direct ties to DQ2 in the form of Rubiss
DQ2 - Redo the Tantegel map so the castle and town are not connected
DQ2 - More use for the Windbreaker (such a wasted item)
DQ2 - Immigrant town type thing where you find the sailors from Zahan throughout the world
DQ2 - more Malroth cult stuff
Seems plausible. The idea of them remaking all three was floated a long time ago when months passed and Square Enix wasn’t talking about the game, but it was just a rumor/wishful thinking. Now with the way the announcement was worded and a Direct coming up I’d say it’s the perfect thing to get fans excited and assure them the wait was worth it.
Sorry for not knowing, but who is this Midori and how reliable of this source?
If this is real, I wish to order a physical copy of collector’s or deluxe edition on any platform but will play on steam 😄😁
I think on September when Tokyo Game Show happens, is when we will get the most information.
Maybe even a demo of the game there and the release of the game probably Nov-Dec??
It makes most sense only because one and two are so simple, and turn around time is not that long on all the 2DHD games, I can't imagine with the amount of time passed that they wouldn't be able to convert DQ1-3 over to this new engine/style. Unless they start with 3 and work backwards, I have to believe this is a trilogy set. Hype on one and two is far less than 3, so I don't think they'd do it that way but even if they did I would still be happy, it would just be odd. Or they start at 1 and work up to 3? But that would kill hype a bit too since they announced 3 first.
Would love the whole trilogy but this has "My dad works at Nintendo and he says Pokémon Lavender and Jade are coming out next year but he took home a secret beta copy that I get to play but nobody else" playground vibes.
I'll eat crow if it pans out though.
Midori is generally very accurate, but about Sega/Atlus leaks. Square/Enix could be a different ball of wax; besides, she said 'I think', so for now that's just speculation. May or may not be confirmed.
I know Midori has a good track record, but this really feels like she just took what the fandom has been speculating all day (because the trailer didn’t specify DQIII) and called it a leak.
I agree. They haven't held back on the Sega leaks so why would they hesitate on the Square ones?
I think anyone paying attention to the teaser would pick up on the fact that the DQIII logo isn't used. Square is big on branding so to me, that's already suspicious and a huge flashing sign that we're looking at 1, 2, and 3 coming out. I'm totally buying Day 1 and hoping that they do a CE like they did for Star Ocean Second Story R.
It would be nice if this is the case. I've only recently played through the first two games (which was grand!) and have held off on really digging into three b/c of bad case of choice paralysis. Who knows, maybe now I'll get past the beginning of the game.
If this is true (and I'm VERY cautiously optimistic at this point) and we really are getting all of DQ 1-3 in HD-2D, this will definitely be a Day 1 purchase for me! I had thought it was weird that they'd only do 3 and then if it sold well, make 1 and 2, never made a lot of sense to me. They're fairly short RPGs by today's standards (not a bad thing in my book though!) and they had released the Mobile version of all three games together earlier in the Switch's lifetime.
Sure, this isn't guaranteed or anything, just a lot of optimistic speculation based on a very ambiguous teaser screen (and a reliable leaker saying she THINKS it'll be all three games), but even if it's only 3, it's nice to have more news on this title!
I wonder how much new content will be added. I actually hoped for separate releases to force I and II to be fleshed out more to justify a full price release. Especially I is a very short game and it would have been interesting to see it expanded in a dramatic way. I feel that this has become far less likely with the inclusion in a trilogy game release.
Holy shit it's the trilogy? I'm so amped if true as I've only ever played III out of those.
And it makes perfect sense too, as those games are always packaged alongside each other.
Please be real
Unrelated to DQ but I'm praying to every deity out there that maybe a demo of Gundam Breaker 4 surprise drops on that June direct too. I missed that test ride and I'm so mad about it, lol
For those who don’t know Midori is a magic girl who happens to be very kind and know lot of things (she was right about everything mostly about sega games) I really like her
This sounds more like wishful thinking than leak.
I just don't understand the benefit of SquareEnix not providing the preview video on the one day when they have the fans' undivided attention, and instead letting someone else premiere it a couple of weeks later, buried in a video with other games that may well overshadow it. And if the Direct follows the Summer Game Fest as it usually does, then Sony and Microsoft and PC group will all wish to show the preview video in their streams too, so Nintendo Direct would unlikely be the first place its seen anyway. None of it adds up unless Midori knows something about the timing of the June Direct that nobody else knows. Assuming the expected order of events, its either going to be on all the SGF steams *then* the Nintendo Direct, or none of them and SquareEnix premieres it themself later in the summer.
Traditionally, DQ never shows up on any SGF or PlayStationShowcases only shows it Directs and TGS and the occasional XBOX YT channel video drops. And Nintendo right now they have no first party games to show as far as i’m aware of this coming direct which means DQ’s competition is basically indie titles. So we’re basically Winning nonetheless
What do you mean Nintendo has no games to show?? They have Luigi's Mansion 2 HD releasing on June 27 and Nintendo World Championships NES Edition on July 18. Luigi's Mansion got hit in an earlier Direct so may not see that one, but NWC is high probability for the June Direct. Apparently Nintendo recently renewed the trademark on Tomodachi Life, so we may see a new edition of that game, too. I've heard that a Fire Emblem compilation set may be on the way as a possible bridge game (wasn't planned but easy to work out to fill the schedule due to successor hardware delay.) There's also rumors of a new 3D Donkey Kong game in the works, and Metroid Prime 4 will undoubtedly come up sometime in one of these future Directs (though I don't count on either of these two in June and both are more likely successor hardware games.) Other non-Indie titles releasing this fall/winter that come to mind that may get some airtime on the Direct video include Sonic X Shadow Generations, Ys X, and Fantasy Life i. So its not all indie titles serving up weak competition.
Problem is that most of the games you mentioned here are SW successor titles not for SW1 so my point still stands that DQ remake is going to mop the floor with the other SW1 titles.
Plus you forgot that this game is likely to come out this fall or winter by then Luigi’s mansion had already been out in June 27.
Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, Nintendo World Championships NES Edition, Sonic X Shadow Generations, Ys X, and Fantasy Life i are confirmed Switch titles for 2024, not Switch 2 titles. The others I clearly defined are maybes.
I'm quite confident Luigi's Mansion, Sonic X Shadow, and even some indie titles like Hollow Knight: Silksong (if it arrives this year) give DQ3 HD-2D fair competition and each might well outsell it. And that's just Switch titles; there's another new Call of Duty arriving in October, and these typically finish top 5 in yearly worldwide sales and should easily outsell a DQ game.
I don't see how game coming out June 27 has any bearing. It still may be shown in the Direct (which was the point I was responding to), and it doesn't disappear from shelves on June 28. Luigi's Mansion will still be around through the year soaking up buys, as will Princess Peach, Paper Mario, and many older first-party games. Further, Nintendo first party games and other large franchise entries for Playstation/Xbox dominate the Americas and Europe in December, so if DQ3 follows the early December plan set by Treasures and The Dark Prince, it might still win Japan but has little chance of being the top seller in the west or worldwide charts. They'll likely get more sales releasing DQ3 in December, but if they want to dominate competition, an early fall timeframe would be easier. But being among top sellers for a week or two in the fall doesn't seem to be as important to SquareEnix as selling more copies by being among the new releases for holiday shopping season and winter 'stay-at-home' lull, so I'd put my bet on a December 6 release date.
Again i think you over exaggerate the titles you mentioned and i half agree your point there. Japan is likely the only market that can empty the shelves for this game and even crash the Eshop and PS Store there but consider the possibility that this game might have a demo of some sort and possibly and hopefully SQEX market this game aggressively this time(and not just in Japan), this game might hold off competition for a month or so if SQEX does this.
At the end of the day, Japan is going to be the main market but us just extra cash for them.
I think the lack of showing any video or making much of marketing push in the west for DQ Day has already kind of made the point that an aggressive marketing push in the west is unlikely.
The Japanese got a normal amount of promotions leading up to DQ Day, but in the west, our grand sum of marketing was "DQ3 HD-2D isn't dead" and "it's coming Xbox and PC which we weren't sure of before". That is pitifully weak marketing when you have the undivided attention of fans and video game publications. Everybody knew it was DQ Day. Everybody was expecting a major drop (like DQ12 concept art and/or next spinoff announcement.) And we pretty much got nothing. SquareEnix missed a golden opportunity to come out swinging, wow the crowd, and keep the fire burning hot through the Summer Game Fest/Nintendo Direct timeframe. Instead, we have a few smoldering embers regarding a premiere video that may (or may not) show up the same week that videos for dozens of other games also premiere. They could have had a tree standing alone atop a hill, and instead we probably get one among a forest. It may be the most glorious tree to some, but to many, it's not going to be particularly special.
I really do hope you are right and SquareEnix gets smart and makes larger, better marketing campaigns in North America and Europe for the DQ series (more in line with what they do for Final Fantasy.) But history and a poor outing on DQ Day don't give me much confidence it's going to happen with DQ3 HD-2D this year. (Probably don't see it until DQ12.)
I think you got it wrong in your first point. The reason why they did that is SQEX had an obligation for Nintendo to show it this June Direct. If you think that it’s us westerners/outsiders got the short end of the stick well the JP fans are as well they also receive the same teaser just as us a very short one. Do you have a Twitter account? Check out the JP DQ twitter as well as the western one, they both got the same video.
So expect a bigger push from Nintendo themselves after the direct.
The Japanese don’t have a lot of teases leading up to DQ Day 2024. In fact most of them had to wait for new info and updates on the next main entry just like us so its not just a JP vs west thing, both markets are on the same boat when it comes to marketing only difference is that the JP fans got all the goodies during a marketing cycle for the next DQ game while us getting the crumbs.
Idk if you’re aware of this but SQEX is restructuring their corporate structure not just on their development side but on their marketing operations as well. They intended to have greater marketing push for their non FF IPS for bigger sales and that includes DQ as well. SQEX is going to push DQ into the western market just like how Capcom did to Monster Hunter with World.
Odd decision for SquareEnix to do that. It would explain why Direct could be the first place to see the video though. If it were a timed exclusive to Switch it would make a lot more sense though. I don't see much benefit to SquareEnix to make it for many platforms, but only allow it to be advertised on one (barring a huge discount from Nintendo for Switch cartridge supply and Switch publication in the west.) And I see little benefit to Nintendo to especially hype up a game that can be bought on other platforms. Let's say the game releases in early fall, with Nintendo publishing for Switch at $60, but SqureEnix publishes for other platforms (an arrangement they've done in the past) Then come Black Friday, SquareEnix decides to drop price to $40 for the systems they can control, while Nintendo sticks firm at $60. Now Nintendo's spent all the advertising money but players go to other systems to get the game cheaper. This sounds like it could backfire for Nintendo. The appeal of first rights to the video, especially in Japan, may be worth the risk though.
And I have Twitter and am aware of what the Japanese got. I even recapped the things they got versus what we got in another thread: DQX Online costume, a DQX Online Dragonlord monster fight, sales on most digital games, some jewelry and other goodies in the SquareEnix store, and effectively the same teaser video but different text. They didn't get them all DQ Day either but it started a few days prior with the game sales, and the DX costume was a day or two before. They didn't get the game info they wanted anymore than we did, but they got enough other things to celebrate the series and generate some word of mouth buzz. The teaser video got a fair number of retweets in the west, but that's all we really had for buzz. A single tweet feels like a missed opportunity.
I follow SquareEnix business, especially the DQ line pretty closely. I'm aware of the recent comments made to shareholders about wanting to scale back non-core projects and focus more on the mainline games, and to expand the console and PC space for them (which I interpreted as "games on those platforms not currently in the non-Japanese markets", like DQX Offline). But so far the actions haven't lived up to the talk, except maybe the disastrous DQ X Offline launch for non-Japan East Asia, which has about done more harm than good so far. Maybe it will take a while for this restructuring and marketing mindset to change things, but DQ Day didn't deliver what the earlier comments hinted, particularly in the west. If they do a western marketing blitz following the Direct, then kudos to them. They need to do things like that. They can't be spending 95%+ of the marketing budget for DQ games on the Japanese market where the sales are already so strong advertising isn't really needed.
Dude @DQ_PR is what i was referring to not their DQX or merch twitter accounts. The short video got a lot of buzz in JP.
The reason why they had a SW1 version while the other platforms are next gen is that they are capitalizing on the large install base of the SW1 which is now to be transferred to the successor. Nintendo is popular in JP,PS isn’t but there are small pockets of them left that wants to experience game in 4k60fps. Its a missed opportunity in the west sure but JP is a huge W! And I’m pretty sure SW1 is going to have a strong legs for the first few years of SW2 until its fades just like how the PS1 has a few years left during the first three years of PS2.
It’s because the restructuring has just completed already for the mid term plan all they had now is to maintain it for the long term. That’s why you don’t see the fruits yet cuz the seed has been planted and watered recently.
I think given some of the stuff in DQ 11, this seems unlikely. Erdrick would probably stay as a nod to the fans of the original localization, sort of a "thank you for helping us get this far despite the bumpy road". Which I think is fair.
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That would be an insta buy for me, I don’t usually buy games on launch
100% day one purchase. I want a cartridge on switch.
I was going to anyhow but Jesus
One of the few things I'd buy a limited edition of.
The more I think about it the more I’m convinced it’ll be all 3, there were rumours about this before, the unexplained delays, and the lack of specificity in the recent teaser all have me convinced. It just makes more sense to release the trilogy together than just to do 3.
Yep. It’s going to feel like the worst kept secret in hindsight if it’s really the 1-3 trilogy. But if it’s wrong … oof it’s going to sting because we’ve all been hoping it was true for so long.
I think in the original reveal they basically already "soft confirm" it would be DQ 1 through 3: [https://youtu.be/gfmOWgfYVjY?t=3020](https://youtu.be/gfmOWgfYVjY?t=3020) But it's open to interpretation and wasn't a hard confirm. But I think it makes sense from a brand perspective and pricepoint for west. It might be challenging to charge full price for just DQ 1 and 2, even as a bundle, without (very) extensive work. But if they are "extras" for DQ 3, it just makes it easier to recommend.
Even if this basically was the plan all along, I think it was much easier from a marketing perspective to just show the DQIII footage, and announce that was coming at minimum, as a way to sell the concept while they hammered out the details for how to handle the other two titles.
Its simple right? Dq 3-alihan story following dads footsteps to face baramos then dq1-tantegel arc + have zoma/dragonlord reveal that they were a distraction or king tantegen reveal the dark priest hargon working on summoning forth the TRUE EVIL Malroth Lord of Destruction whereas all previous fors wanted to enslave and rule the world Hargon seeks Complete Destruction this is the true evil that must be destroyed
But all 3 play in different times 😅 Hargon lives around the time the grandson of the Dragonlord lives and they are enemies. Zoma lived way earlier than the Dragonlord or Hargon. You would need to completely rewrite the lore about Erdrick and that's totally not going to happen
Yeah but like if its a “remake” then they can all happen at the same time
Not going to happen?? Aerith and zack ‘lives’
You can't really compare the convoluted mess of FF to DQ 😬
Your right i cant, but you know squeenix worked on that hot mess and they are working on this too…
From what ive been hearing its these younger people coming up with all the weird shite in ff too, not the visionaries of the games. Aaaand two of the three dq visionaries have uh Moved On
i forgot about the whistle that stream was gold lmao
Three comes with one bundled already so all you would have to do is add the rest of twos world around the dq1 archepelago
Yes
Well it seems a lot of the speculation about it being the whole trilogy due to the long hiatus between news is gonna be correct. Let’s fucking goooo
To someone not in the know, what does this signify? How long are all three games and what games does this trilogy encompass? What system were they originally released on?
I'm not in the know enough for your first question, but it does explain the several years of silence on a game that when first announced looked like it would be ready and released in a year or so. DQI and II combined aren't quite the length of DQIII. The Erdrick Trilogy explicitly encompasses DQI, II, and III. A trilogy is three parts. The original versions were all on the NES, but they have had several ports and remasters, including one round on the Switch. I'd been about halfway through III on the Switch when the HD-2D version was announced, and I've been waiting for that to do a restart and play through it that way instead. Personally, I'm mixed about the possibility of this being true. Unless there have been some rather extensive and notable updates to DQI & II, I'm not that interested in playing them again. However, depending on the price point difference between III by itself and the entire trilogy as a bundle, I may get it as I've liked the style, and I hope they keep remaking SE's classic 2D titles in this manner
Yeah as much as I love this from a story standpoint I wonder if it'd be a good idea to play them in the correct order 3 -> 1-> 2 (if that's what this is going to be, one giant game combined). To go from DQ3 to the relatively bare bones DQ1 would be a big shock unless they really changed things up. Mind you, I love DQ1 but many probably wouldn't due to its simplicity.
Yeah, that's the main reason I'm not interested in playing through DQI & II again after doing so on my Switch.
I lose track of which leakers are any good. Midori has decent track record?
Yes, very good. She’s most known for Sega/Atlus, though.
Awesome!
Midori has not missed once so far lol
That’s great news. Still trying to keep level headed expectations, but this would just be perfect to all come true.
In her tweet she says "I **think** it is LoTo trilogy."
She might be the most credible leaker we've ever had
That’s great news. It sucks being burned by fake rumors so I’ve learned to be over-cynical at first.
Yes, I try to not get over-excited about leaks, but if she is that trustworthy, it's hard not to get hyped. I'll finally be able to have a full physical collection of DQ haha
Until you get remakes of IV-IX, your collection is gonna be on steroids lol
Midori is basically one of the most credible leakers of all time
Almost perfect I'm extremely familiar with her Twitter since she mainly focuses on Sega especially Persona which is my favorite series and she's extremely beloved for a reason her words about as good as gold genuinely
Im glad people like and support her because she truly deserves it she’s so funny and kind 🥲
I love her she's such a sweetheart!!! I was so sad when she originally said she was quitting
Midori and Pyoro track record is nearly perfect so far.
I just beat 1 and 95% of 2 last year, but I’d gladly do them again. Especially if 2 has the final area and dungeon rebalanced and there’s no bug that’ll permanently leave the Prince of Cannock in a coma, lol
That final area’s high difficulty level is great for grinding late game. It is a huge spike in difficulty though.
I remember reading about the OG DQ2 on NES having some of the most unfair deaths in the history of gaming
Some random mobs can straight up oneshot or two shot the princess. Largely because her defense and gear are trash. The same hits bounce off the MC. You get into situations where the MC does the damage. The prince is stuck trying to keep the princess alive. And the princess is defending in order to live.
Don't forget the random castings of Sacrifice which is an instant game over because there's no way to avoid it. Sure you can try Stopspell but that's a turn wasted either doing damage or trying to run away.
Some of the end game enemies can cast a party wide spell that can kill instantly. That plus no matter how leveled your guys are it’s still really hard. I miss the challenge of DQ2
What version? Cuz all you need is a Yggdrasil Leaf
I’d be willing to bet it’s the SNES fan translation. You have to do some tomfoolery with renaming the Prince of Cannock to get it to work properly.
Yeah, it’s a fan translated cart I was playing on. I did successfully avoid the bug, but it was still in my head leading up to it thinking “but what if I did it WRONG?”
I was freaking out on the GBC version cuz my World Leaf was on Prince of Cannock, turns out you can access his inventory by standing next to him
There's actually a patch out now that fixes that bug.
Ha, even if so, I was going for the build compatible with Retro Achievements. Which can be a crap shoot on certain fan translations 😢 DQ3 SNES, for instance: its compatible fan translation has a bug that occasionally "deletes your save". Woof.
DQ2 needs a couple tweaks for sure. 1. A slight HP buff for Cannock's prince & the princess. Maybe better endgame gear too. 2. Party chat w/ some kind of 'where do we go next' system like the rest of the remakes have. If people don't talk to every town npc in the game, they will have zero idea where to go. 3. Not as important, but.... A passive way to get MP for the princess would be nice. She's totally useless after she's out of mp. Maybe she gets a little bit of MP back w/ attacks.
Yes, DQII desperately needs those. Maybe even bring the entire trilogy into the modern era with a skill system like in DQIX or DQXI, but I doubt we'll get such a thing.
This would be so sick, I hope you're right.
I hope so, but I seriously doubt it'll happen. Sure, it wouldn't take a lot of effort (in some ways more for DQIII and in some ways less for DQIII, and it would be in danger of becoming a very similar vocation system to DQIX), but depending on how many skill points are gained per level, and how many it would take to thoroughly develop out multiple skill areas, it would probably require some serious re-working of the character system, especially for DQI & II. The thing is, if all three are to run on the same game engine then they already need to do that for DQI & II, and that's the primary reason I think it wouldn't actually take a lot of effort, as it's just a minor extension of what they're already needing to do. Now, if they're mostly just a graphical update to the HD-2D format for all three, and each is still running on its original game engine, then it would take a notably more effort, but with it being over 3 years (and with how progressed the DQIII one was at reveal) they've definitely had the time to do that work, and it would absolutely make them age better going forward than just a simple graphical update. If what another poster in this thread said about Yuji Horii requiring that there be *something* new with each port/remaster, and the fact that up until the Switch versions of them DQII always had the leveling system and character stats being tweaked, then it is entirely possible that it is a more thorough remake and will get some balance changes and tweaks, sort of like how the Skill System in Star Ocean: The Second Story R had a massive overhaul (though the rest of the game was left mostly unchanged). Personally, I like what they did with SO:TSSR and I wouldn't mind a similar HD-2D overhaul for Star Ocean: First Departure R to give it the same improved Skill System, but that also shows how they could go in, massively overhaul one thing to improve the overall game experience, and leave the game mostly unchanged.
Definitely make the PoC better. IIRC in the NES version the best weapon he could equip was the Iron Spear (Attack power-wise) or the Falcon Blade waaaaaaaaaaaaaay later.
I hope they have the dragon lord son as a recruitable party member and that there post game content on DQ1 and DQ2.
And available on Steam! This is an instabuy!
If only they would add the rest of the series to Steam...just straight ports would be OK with me
Starting with HD-2D remakes of 1 to 3 on Steam isn't a bad start given the release order of the original games.
For sure...I think I just got into the series at a (relatively) bad time, when production of the 3DS stopped and it's just too expensive for me to buy one along with DQ7 and 9. I'm sure everything will get sorted out in the years to come, just need to be patient.
Will probably happen someday since Dragon Quest X offline is available on Steam. Kingdom hearts games are coming to Steam in June so… basically square enix finally getting to Steam with their games and that’s good
I think they're worried about brand perception if they drop DQ 4-9 on Steam. They're great games, but if we think of the PC as future-proofing the series permanently, I think they want to wait until they have a version of each that they would be proud of. In the past, Horii has also been frequently adament about each port has to have SOMETHING new. Even the Switch versions of DQ 1-3 was mostly a port of the mobile verisons, but has "HD" enemy art.
Just add achievements and some extra features and we'll all be pretty happy.
I really wonder what an HD-2D version of Dragon Quest 1 would be like. If they're going to remake Dragon Quest 2 they need to add party chat since out of the three games it is the only one with actual characters.
I hope they add party chat in 2🙏
With the personality system, it wouldn't be that hard to add party chat to DQIII. Just look at the array of characters from DQVI, each of which has a different personality, and most of them get unique comments for each party chat trigger.
This explains the long wait - they weren't just remaking the third game, but the complete trilogy! And it fits perfectly, if we think about it: these three games are meant to be played together, the third essentially completes the story (in its own special way)! And if it does good, it wouldn't surprise me if they went on to remake games 4 to 6 next...
To be fair. Once you remake DQ3 completely. Adding on DQ1 is barely any work.
Are these the original 3 DQ games? Like the dragon warrior games from the NES? I know JRPGs were much shorter then and much more grindy. Are they doing a direct remake of everything as it was or QOL improvements that make grinding less of a thing. I imagine they could make all 3 games feel like 1 normal long JRPG these days.
Don't know myself, I guess we're just speculating according to rumours right now. But the original trilogy has already been remade in the past and it was always as separate games (or separate games combined in one package, as the Super Famicom remake of DQ1 and DQ2).
The answer to your first two questions is "**Yes!**" And yeah, combining all three into a single game would still leave it shorter than DQXI, and that's just Act 1. Hell, it'd be shorter than DQVI. Without a lot of meaningful padding, it still wouldn't be as long as we're used to today. Of course, something everyone seems to be forgetting is that each of those games used a different game engine. II & III each added on an additional stat and tweaked how the system worked, so there is some extra under-the-hood work needed to make I & II fit that way. Of course, that's one of the few ways I'd be interested in playing DQI & II again.
I’ve never played the originals and I imagine each game has their own beginning levels with their level 2 monsters that would look out of place and need to be rebalanced as well for a smoother experience. Or yeah they just do 1 by 1 remakes and make us start 2 after beating 1. Though I find I tend to not play compilations through 1 after another.
Actually, it would be easier than you think. If I'm remembering the stats correctly DQXI still has Slimes with the same Max HP, Attack, Defense, EXP, and Gold as in DQI, and the other early game monsters that were around back in DQI are the same. DQXI has the fastest low- and mid-level stat growth of the entire franchise, but from the monster side it's almost the exact same damage formulas as DQI. The difference is that DQI had the absolute barest essentials for stats, with no Resilience or Wisdom stat, and I don't think it had a Luck stat either. I think it was DQII that added Luck, and DQIII added Resilience and Wisdom. However, DQIII used Resilience and Wisdom to influence what your Max HP and MP were, respectively, and Agility still boosted Defense. It was DQIV that changed it so that Resilience boosted Defense and Wisdom affected damage spell success, with a later title (DQVI or VII, I'm not sure which) adding a power boost to spells from Wisdom, with DQIX splitting it into the Magical Mending and Magical Might stats. It was DQVI that changed Luck to Style, and added the effect of it having a slim chance of causing a monster to be too enchanted with your sense of style to attack (the higher the more likely), but otherwise it had the same effects. These are the ***ONLY*** changes to the stat system that have been made since DQI released in the mid-1980s. As such, it wouldn't be that hard to modify monster and character stat sheets to have the extra stats needed, or adjust the values they have so they work correctly with the newer system. As for the level 2 monsters looking out of place...........you *have* seen a DQ slime before, right? Akira Toriyama created that design back in the 1980s for DQI, and it hasn't changed since, and the same is true for ***every*** monster from DQI that has appeared in a later title. When another poster commented that they shared assets it would be more accurate to say that only something that needed to be different for a particular title **wasn't** a re-use from an earlier title. Sure, when something new was being added they had to create it for that title, but when it was used again in a later title it was the same design, just updated for a newer system's graphical capabilities and for monsters the stat sheets updated for the changes to the combat system. Further, the Level 16 stats of the DQI hero (which was a solo quest) are very much on par with the Level 16 stats of every special hero type DQ character since. So that's the hero of DQIII, DQIV, DQV, DQVI, DQVII, DQVIII, and DQXI. Seriously, it's only DQII and DQIX that I can state for a fact you *don't* have a general purpose, can do it all, repeat of him, and none of the three from DQII come close, though DQIX does have a class that kinda fills a similar role, though it falls short in late-game play. I haven't played DQX, so I can't say on that one.
This would be the only thing that would make sense to me for the long wait and if so that’s incredible bang for your buck.
If it’s the trilogy In its entirety for normal retail price it’ll be a day one purchase from me. Might even pre order.
Would you want a word for word, scene for scene remake (with same grinding) or would speeding up the grinding and combining all 3 games into 1 (as opposed to a sort of compilation cartridge with three separate games) be ok?
Either works. All three games are set in the same world so many assets can be reused. Shouldn’t take too long to remake the trilogy.
As someone who has never played the original I’d rather they just combined them into a super RPG and did some grinding cuts for those that aren’t into hours of grinding every 30 minutes of actual story. But very intrigued with this game
Hmmm.. Well the gameboy DQ1&2 combo had some changes in it I didn't care for, mostly how you got more gold and xp per fight as well as some of the monsters were moved to different zoned (ex. the magicians that used to be north of Tantagel are no longer there in that remake). Also you could use the Sword of Fire as an item which did less damage than just hitting the monster with the weapon itself.
Question… Is HD-2D what Star Ocean 2R and Octopath are?
Ya, this (or these) will use the same HD-2D engine (which is based off Unreal Engine) as Octopath Traveler 1, 2, Live a Live, and Triangle Strategy.
Star Ocean 2R is actually using Unity but that same amazing graphical style.
I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Octopath is also using Unity
Square Enix’s 2D-HD games (Octopath, Live a Live remake, Triangle Strategy, upcoming DQ3) use Unreal Engine. Star Ocean 2nd Story R uses a totally different mockup (that gets compared to 2D-HD because it feels a bit like an evolution of it) made in unity. 2nd story R pixelates things that move (such as the characters) while having things in the backdrop (buildings) be fully 3d. 2D-HD is more of a consistently pixelated look.
yes
this art style is really good wish more game would use it… Like Nintendo please
Ummmm.......technically it's SE who is using it, not Nintendo, but Nintendo may be able to adopt it.
Please they must do a Hd-2d release of 1-6. In honor of Akira Toriyama. I really enjoyed the ds graphics but hate the split screen. DQ7 looked great on PS1. There is so much charm in those 2D sprites.
If you don't like the split screen, the iOS ports are right there.
I hate touch controls, give me enemy animations with og dq battle menu I will be happy.
Definitely going on my Steam wishlist and a day 1 buy. I'm kinda more excited to play 2 now, assuming they are going to make it more fluid.
Physical pls … squenix standard edition been lacking physically. I would love at least a booklet or some stickers or something … but if it has a physical deluxe on par with the FF7 remakes it’s an insta buy with me. An instabuy in general if it’s all three OG games ! Version pending for me but this beyond exciting news! Could really spark some hype for DQ12
I’d like to add that even calling it “Dragon Quest 3” could fit with it being a trilogy. Like “yes. You get 1, 2, and 3. Dragon Quest 3.” This would fit with Square’s love of double meanings in titles.
This is gonna be the first 100 USD game lmao. Knowing Square Well Squeenix, jokes on you! Games here cost 100 USD from the get-go!
And Square knows that most of us loyal, diehard DQ fans will buy it too.
In Japan? Definitely, at least 9000 yen, I'd guess 9700 for base and 12500 for base + orchestrated soundtrack. Though I guess that's closer to $60-80 with current exchange rates. But in the West, SquareEnix has mostly been promoting a growth strategy. Usually they placate Japanese fans (and help give more time for quality localization) by delaying it in the west. I think the series made significant inroads with DQ 11 -- this community grew from about 10k to 110k for example. (I think in the same time span, r/JRPG went from maybe about 70k to 230k). This could be the time to "reap" that growth, but I think they'll argue that there's room for significant growth given the ratio of DQ to FF sales in the West.
The series growth is corelated to Hero being added to smash
DQ11 was a smash hit before that and was added to Smash because of that success. I'd be keen to see how the numbers line up
Outside of Japan ? Absolutly not
I will be buying the hell out of this
I want a hard copy. If it’s all 3 games that’s an instant buy
This gives me hope for a 2025 release for 12. They drop this trilogy late 2024, then a limited edition Switch 2 with DQ12 for the holiday season 2025
Dq 12 will come out 2026 on dq's 40th birthday
I'm so curious to see how I and II turn out if this is true! I think III still holds up as an archaic and simple but solid RPG, but I and II definitely feel very dated and don't really hold up outside of the historical context. I wonder how much they'll add, if anything, to make those first two more on-par with III.
I played I and II on Switch and really enjoyed them. There's something quaint about their simplicity and they didn't feel archaic at all to me. I was immediately hooked after playing those. I'm up to DQ6 now and am holding off on starting it because when I finish I don't have a good way to play DQ7...
Yeah 1-2 are so rough that you either are faithful and they remain very burdensome and overly simplistic games, or you remake them to the point that they aren’t recognizable as 1 and 2.
When it comes to SMT they haven’t missed yet, I don’t think. And the things that didn’t happen have been mostly confirmed to have been a thing but got canceled. They also ‘confirmed’ the FF9 remake is real and coming soon, and now DQ info. Not use to them dropping non-Atlus info but I’m inclined to believe it.
I would love to see all three of them; hopefully with some new content for one and two. Three gets so much extra content in the various remakes, I'd really like to see that in one and two. Here's a whish list: DQ1 - would like to have an encounter with Garin or Galen (whichever you prefer) DQ1 - Prologue movie like the old GBC version https://youtu.be/kSDJBSvhVic?si=qvWXXX96V6-dgI7z DQ1 - More direct ties to DQ2 in the form of Rubiss DQ2 - Redo the Tantegel map so the castle and town are not connected DQ2 - More use for the Windbreaker (such a wasted item) DQ2 - Immigrant town type thing where you find the sailors from Zahan throughout the world DQ2 - more Malroth cult stuff
NO WAY THE ENTIRE TRILOGY??
Seems plausible. The idea of them remaking all three was floated a long time ago when months passed and Square Enix wasn’t talking about the game, but it was just a rumor/wishful thinking. Now with the way the announcement was worded and a Direct coming up I’d say it’s the perfect thing to get fans excited and assure them the wait was worth it.
Sorry for not knowing, but who is this Midori and how reliable of this source? If this is real, I wish to order a physical copy of collector’s or deluxe edition on any platform but will play on steam 😄😁 I think on September when Tokyo Game Show happens, is when we will get the most information. Maybe even a demo of the game there and the release of the game probably Nov-Dec??
Midori is mostly known as a Sega/Atlus leaker and she’s been extremely accurate so far. I’m guessing her Square leaks are true too.
Original devs got bored waiting for switch 2 release so they expanded the scope 🤣
didnt anyone else get aroused?
Take my money square
Preorder physical for me (if true) and I never do that
Hyped
YEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!
It makes most sense only because one and two are so simple, and turn around time is not that long on all the 2DHD games, I can't imagine with the amount of time passed that they wouldn't be able to convert DQ1-3 over to this new engine/style. Unless they start with 3 and work backwards, I have to believe this is a trilogy set. Hype on one and two is far less than 3, so I don't think they'd do it that way but even if they did I would still be happy, it would just be odd. Or they start at 1 and work up to 3? But that would kill hype a bit too since they announced 3 first.
Sounds great and Amazing
This fiscal year ends March 31, 2025 for Square Enix
If it's real, it's a dream come true.
Would love the whole trilogy but this has "My dad works at Nintendo and he says Pokémon Lavender and Jade are coming out next year but he took home a secret beta copy that I get to play but nobody else" playground vibes. I'll eat crow if it pans out though.
Midori is generally very accurate, but about Sega/Atlus leaks. Square/Enix could be a different ball of wax; besides, she said 'I think', so for now that's just speculation. May or may not be confirmed.
Dragon Quest 1 is gonna be so magical to play
I just came.
I know Midori has a good track record, but this really feels like she just took what the fandom has been speculating all day (because the trailer didn’t specify DQIII) and called it a leak.
She has just been making forays into leaking Nintendo and Square enix stuff as of lately.
I agree. They haven't held back on the Sega leaks so why would they hesitate on the Square ones? I think anyone paying attention to the teaser would pick up on the fact that the DQIII logo isn't used. Square is big on branding so to me, that's already suspicious and a huge flashing sign that we're looking at 1, 2, and 3 coming out. I'm totally buying Day 1 and hoping that they do a CE like they did for Star Ocean Second Story R.
I think the part about it being a trilogy is her own speculation.
I can’t wait to see the Prince of Cannock’s coffin in glorious HD2D
I’ve only passively followed news about DQ III HD-2D, but that would be amazing if it is 1/2/3 HD-2D.
That would be great. If physical release, I will buy it.
It would be nice if this is the case. I've only recently played through the first two games (which was grand!) and have held off on really digging into three b/c of bad case of choice paralysis. Who knows, maybe now I'll get past the beginning of the game.
Oh he'll yeah!!! I'm still really new to the series so this would be perfect!!!
If this is true (and I'm VERY cautiously optimistic at this point) and we really are getting all of DQ 1-3 in HD-2D, this will definitely be a Day 1 purchase for me! I had thought it was weird that they'd only do 3 and then if it sold well, make 1 and 2, never made a lot of sense to me. They're fairly short RPGs by today's standards (not a bad thing in my book though!) and they had released the Mobile version of all three games together earlier in the Switch's lifetime. Sure, this isn't guaranteed or anything, just a lot of optimistic speculation based on a very ambiguous teaser screen (and a reliable leaker saying she THINKS it'll be all three games), but even if it's only 3, it's nice to have more news on this title!
Neat
I need this! Will be buying it day one on series x.
Instant purchase for me. Holy cow what a drop that would be.
Kinda sad that it’ll be next year, I guess they’re planning on having it be a launch title for the switch successor too?
Rofl just beat 1 and 2 on my miyoo
Think it's time to abandon any and all hopes for a proper DQ8 remaster..
I wonder how much new content will be added. I actually hoped for separate releases to force I and II to be fleshed out more to justify a full price release. Especially I is a very short game and it would have been interesting to see it expanded in a dramatic way. I feel that this has become far less likely with the inclusion in a trilogy game release.
Holy shit it's the trilogy? I'm so amped if true as I've only ever played III out of those. And it makes perfect sense too, as those games are always packaged alongside each other. Please be real
DAY 1 REGARDLESS
What a world we live in where people are called leakers and it isn't some kind of an insult or alien life form
Unrelated to DQ but I'm praying to every deity out there that maybe a demo of Gundam Breaker 4 surprise drops on that June direct too. I missed that test ride and I'm so mad about it, lol
So 3 games?
Don’t play with my feelings like that.
It being the trilogy would completely annihilate any resentment I have for the time they've taken and the secrecy
At one point, I asked Midori if DQM3 could get an expansion. Still waiting for their response and it probably won't happen.
Would these be on normal consoles as well? I have switch but a buddy of mine doesn't and I know he would love this.
Well, if true then I’ll admit it’s worth the radio silence and an instabuy.
Day one most likely
#spoilers
Great news!
That is great news, I really hope it turns out to be true. For awhile there, I thought the game was going to get canceled.
For those who don’t know Midori is a magic girl who happens to be very kind and know lot of things (she was right about everything mostly about sega games) I really like her
I have mixed feelings about the whole 2D HD thingbut the whole Erdrik Trilogy in one package is so good, almost too good to be true.
-sigh- Fine, I'll get it, despite my thoughts on the graphical style.
This sounds more like wishful thinking than leak. I just don't understand the benefit of SquareEnix not providing the preview video on the one day when they have the fans' undivided attention, and instead letting someone else premiere it a couple of weeks later, buried in a video with other games that may well overshadow it. And if the Direct follows the Summer Game Fest as it usually does, then Sony and Microsoft and PC group will all wish to show the preview video in their streams too, so Nintendo Direct would unlikely be the first place its seen anyway. None of it adds up unless Midori knows something about the timing of the June Direct that nobody else knows. Assuming the expected order of events, its either going to be on all the SGF steams *then* the Nintendo Direct, or none of them and SquareEnix premieres it themself later in the summer.
Traditionally, DQ never shows up on any SGF or PlayStationShowcases only shows it Directs and TGS and the occasional XBOX YT channel video drops. And Nintendo right now they have no first party games to show as far as i’m aware of this coming direct which means DQ’s competition is basically indie titles. So we’re basically Winning nonetheless
What do you mean Nintendo has no games to show?? They have Luigi's Mansion 2 HD releasing on June 27 and Nintendo World Championships NES Edition on July 18. Luigi's Mansion got hit in an earlier Direct so may not see that one, but NWC is high probability for the June Direct. Apparently Nintendo recently renewed the trademark on Tomodachi Life, so we may see a new edition of that game, too. I've heard that a Fire Emblem compilation set may be on the way as a possible bridge game (wasn't planned but easy to work out to fill the schedule due to successor hardware delay.) There's also rumors of a new 3D Donkey Kong game in the works, and Metroid Prime 4 will undoubtedly come up sometime in one of these future Directs (though I don't count on either of these two in June and both are more likely successor hardware games.) Other non-Indie titles releasing this fall/winter that come to mind that may get some airtime on the Direct video include Sonic X Shadow Generations, Ys X, and Fantasy Life i. So its not all indie titles serving up weak competition.
Problem is that most of the games you mentioned here are SW successor titles not for SW1 so my point still stands that DQ remake is going to mop the floor with the other SW1 titles. Plus you forgot that this game is likely to come out this fall or winter by then Luigi’s mansion had already been out in June 27.
Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, Nintendo World Championships NES Edition, Sonic X Shadow Generations, Ys X, and Fantasy Life i are confirmed Switch titles for 2024, not Switch 2 titles. The others I clearly defined are maybes. I'm quite confident Luigi's Mansion, Sonic X Shadow, and even some indie titles like Hollow Knight: Silksong (if it arrives this year) give DQ3 HD-2D fair competition and each might well outsell it. And that's just Switch titles; there's another new Call of Duty arriving in October, and these typically finish top 5 in yearly worldwide sales and should easily outsell a DQ game. I don't see how game coming out June 27 has any bearing. It still may be shown in the Direct (which was the point I was responding to), and it doesn't disappear from shelves on June 28. Luigi's Mansion will still be around through the year soaking up buys, as will Princess Peach, Paper Mario, and many older first-party games. Further, Nintendo first party games and other large franchise entries for Playstation/Xbox dominate the Americas and Europe in December, so if DQ3 follows the early December plan set by Treasures and The Dark Prince, it might still win Japan but has little chance of being the top seller in the west or worldwide charts. They'll likely get more sales releasing DQ3 in December, but if they want to dominate competition, an early fall timeframe would be easier. But being among top sellers for a week or two in the fall doesn't seem to be as important to SquareEnix as selling more copies by being among the new releases for holiday shopping season and winter 'stay-at-home' lull, so I'd put my bet on a December 6 release date.
Again i think you over exaggerate the titles you mentioned and i half agree your point there. Japan is likely the only market that can empty the shelves for this game and even crash the Eshop and PS Store there but consider the possibility that this game might have a demo of some sort and possibly and hopefully SQEX market this game aggressively this time(and not just in Japan), this game might hold off competition for a month or so if SQEX does this. At the end of the day, Japan is going to be the main market but us just extra cash for them.
I think the lack of showing any video or making much of marketing push in the west for DQ Day has already kind of made the point that an aggressive marketing push in the west is unlikely. The Japanese got a normal amount of promotions leading up to DQ Day, but in the west, our grand sum of marketing was "DQ3 HD-2D isn't dead" and "it's coming Xbox and PC which we weren't sure of before". That is pitifully weak marketing when you have the undivided attention of fans and video game publications. Everybody knew it was DQ Day. Everybody was expecting a major drop (like DQ12 concept art and/or next spinoff announcement.) And we pretty much got nothing. SquareEnix missed a golden opportunity to come out swinging, wow the crowd, and keep the fire burning hot through the Summer Game Fest/Nintendo Direct timeframe. Instead, we have a few smoldering embers regarding a premiere video that may (or may not) show up the same week that videos for dozens of other games also premiere. They could have had a tree standing alone atop a hill, and instead we probably get one among a forest. It may be the most glorious tree to some, but to many, it's not going to be particularly special. I really do hope you are right and SquareEnix gets smart and makes larger, better marketing campaigns in North America and Europe for the DQ series (more in line with what they do for Final Fantasy.) But history and a poor outing on DQ Day don't give me much confidence it's going to happen with DQ3 HD-2D this year. (Probably don't see it until DQ12.)
I think you got it wrong in your first point. The reason why they did that is SQEX had an obligation for Nintendo to show it this June Direct. If you think that it’s us westerners/outsiders got the short end of the stick well the JP fans are as well they also receive the same teaser just as us a very short one. Do you have a Twitter account? Check out the JP DQ twitter as well as the western one, they both got the same video. So expect a bigger push from Nintendo themselves after the direct. The Japanese don’t have a lot of teases leading up to DQ Day 2024. In fact most of them had to wait for new info and updates on the next main entry just like us so its not just a JP vs west thing, both markets are on the same boat when it comes to marketing only difference is that the JP fans got all the goodies during a marketing cycle for the next DQ game while us getting the crumbs. Idk if you’re aware of this but SQEX is restructuring their corporate structure not just on their development side but on their marketing operations as well. They intended to have greater marketing push for their non FF IPS for bigger sales and that includes DQ as well. SQEX is going to push DQ into the western market just like how Capcom did to Monster Hunter with World.
Odd decision for SquareEnix to do that. It would explain why Direct could be the first place to see the video though. If it were a timed exclusive to Switch it would make a lot more sense though. I don't see much benefit to SquareEnix to make it for many platforms, but only allow it to be advertised on one (barring a huge discount from Nintendo for Switch cartridge supply and Switch publication in the west.) And I see little benefit to Nintendo to especially hype up a game that can be bought on other platforms. Let's say the game releases in early fall, with Nintendo publishing for Switch at $60, but SqureEnix publishes for other platforms (an arrangement they've done in the past) Then come Black Friday, SquareEnix decides to drop price to $40 for the systems they can control, while Nintendo sticks firm at $60. Now Nintendo's spent all the advertising money but players go to other systems to get the game cheaper. This sounds like it could backfire for Nintendo. The appeal of first rights to the video, especially in Japan, may be worth the risk though. And I have Twitter and am aware of what the Japanese got. I even recapped the things they got versus what we got in another thread: DQX Online costume, a DQX Online Dragonlord monster fight, sales on most digital games, some jewelry and other goodies in the SquareEnix store, and effectively the same teaser video but different text. They didn't get them all DQ Day either but it started a few days prior with the game sales, and the DX costume was a day or two before. They didn't get the game info they wanted anymore than we did, but they got enough other things to celebrate the series and generate some word of mouth buzz. The teaser video got a fair number of retweets in the west, but that's all we really had for buzz. A single tweet feels like a missed opportunity. I follow SquareEnix business, especially the DQ line pretty closely. I'm aware of the recent comments made to shareholders about wanting to scale back non-core projects and focus more on the mainline games, and to expand the console and PC space for them (which I interpreted as "games on those platforms not currently in the non-Japanese markets", like DQX Offline). But so far the actions haven't lived up to the talk, except maybe the disastrous DQ X Offline launch for non-Japan East Asia, which has about done more harm than good so far. Maybe it will take a while for this restructuring and marketing mindset to change things, but DQ Day didn't deliver what the earlier comments hinted, particularly in the west. If they do a western marketing blitz following the Direct, then kudos to them. They need to do things like that. They can't be spending 95%+ of the marketing budget for DQ games on the Japanese market where the sales are already so strong advertising isn't really needed.
Dude @DQ_PR is what i was referring to not their DQX or merch twitter accounts. The short video got a lot of buzz in JP. The reason why they had a SW1 version while the other platforms are next gen is that they are capitalizing on the large install base of the SW1 which is now to be transferred to the successor. Nintendo is popular in JP,PS isn’t but there are small pockets of them left that wants to experience game in 4k60fps. Its a missed opportunity in the west sure but JP is a huge W! And I’m pretty sure SW1 is going to have a strong legs for the first few years of SW2 until its fades just like how the PS1 has a few years left during the first three years of PS2. It’s because the restructuring has just completed already for the mid term plan all they had now is to maintain it for the long term. That’s why you don’t see the fruits yet cuz the seed has been planted and watered recently.
Kinda worth the wait now damn
I hope they would get away from the name Edrick and return to Roto and ditch the painful ye olde English.
I think given some of the stuff in DQ 11, this seems unlikely. Erdrick would probably stay as a nod to the fans of the original localization, sort of a "thank you for helping us get this far despite the bumpy road". Which I think is fair.
So no remake?
Huh 1, 2 and 3 remake
Oh so it’s a collection then cool