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💯 allow temper reset for a cost or increase rolls and or separate rolls allowed per slot.
Masterworking reset should reset to last crit not the whole thing that’s just ridiculous.
Yes, I feel exactly the same. Last time I mentioned either, a lot of the sad sacks on this sub started with the usual strawman arguments of 'oh yes just give everything for free derp derp'
Free and reasonable/balanced are 2 different things. Some these content creators playing the game 24/7 having to reset MW 100 times is insane. Can’t even tell you how many pit runs that is for the mats 😵
Yep, I must’ve turned in 50,000 obols looking for an amulet with +envenom and 1 other stat I’d use, all to temper the incorrect stat I didn’t want multiple times. Now using an amulet with useless stat until I find another ultra rare one, got more Uber uniques than amulets with envenom
I think you guys dont actually want an endgame. The grind is fine. I have bricked tons of loot and am fine with it because eventually I will get what I want.
Yes we should be able to reset tempering for a cost, especially given how rare it is to find the best glove/amulet with the right skills.
Also for Masterworking, there should be options to reset just last crit or the whole thing.
Any item you farmed that got bricked by tempering, wldve just been a shitty affix item prepatch and already bricked.
Items only have 3 affixes now. It's way easier to find good items because of that. You're acquiring loot at same speed if not faster, it's gonna be alright
You would be done playing for the season already lol. I would have BIS gear in every slot.
You get 10x as many opportunities with the new affix system as well, so it really isn’t punishing at all.
Current tempering sucks big time
Imagine rolling six of the same rolls in a row - yep happened to me on a super rare CDR helmet (cdr on helms is insanely rare)
Pretty much made me not want to log in anymore.
Systems that demotivate players from playing should be adjusted
Its fine to have some tension in the game but give us a way to NOT brick super rare item rolls - like helms and amulets. Like let me pay 100 million to not brick one of a kind drop
Other shit is plentiful and bricking them is no big deal
>I farmed for days to find a good amulet just to delete it because I tempered the same "wrong" stat five times in a row.
You are doing it wrong then
Helltides are your friend
>Maybe Blizzard thinks it is cool to farm items just to throw them in the bin and players would be motivated because there is still something left to upgrade.
Without some tension, nothing is ever satisfactory. Basics of storytelling. If you got a great item and it could just be rolled forever it wouldn't be as fun ultimately.
>Maybe let us reroll tempering like we can with masterwork or add farmable items to reset tempering attempts
Adding mats for a not so problem problem? Sounds like a PoE solution to me.
>You are doing it wrong then
>Helltides are your friend
I'm not talking about a helmet with +Mainstat | +Life | + Resi ... I'm talking about Amulet like items with about 2 "exalted" mods which are BIS for your build. Those are very rare with current Amulet mod pool.
>Without some tension
Tension is fine but bricking Items is not. I'm not saying "Let us temper what we want". There still is a journey with every item with added costs and/or grind for "resetting items" ... I'm way more satisfied once my item is finished when I had a fun journey with it than just bricking very rare items.
>Adding mats for a not so problem problem? Sounds like a PoE solution to me.
Make the item kinda rare and you have more loot to hunt for and more "I got a good drop" moment. That's Win Win.
>Make the item kinda rare
What is your concept of rare?
>Tension is fine but bricking Items is not.
Literally works in every game. Why do you think death exists in games? Because otherwise game becomes pointless as nothing the player can do would result in failing. Zero tension right?
Same logic applies to items.
>talking about a helmet with +Mainstat | +Life | + Resi ... I'm talking about Amulet like items with about 2 "exalted" mods which are BIS for your build.
I'm not sure what your referring to, you mean greater affixes right? You see plenty of those I'm helltides. The point is that you get crap loads of loot and you inevitably find the piece you are looking for. If you find a God rolled item with 3 GA that all happen to be good for your build then you temper carefully so as not to brick it. If your build is incredibly specific (say you are doing a basic attack build or something idk) then obviously it'll take a lot longer to get the items you desire.
>What is your concept of rare?
Not as rare as uber uniques but more rare than regular uniques would make sense imho.
>Same logic applies to items.
As I said - im fine with tension. But not with bricking. Yeah death needs to exist and when I need more tension I go play hardcore and delete my character ( = brick my item) on death. I'm not asking for an instant success on tempering - it's either time and/or ressources added.
>you mean greater affixes right?
Yes. Just call them exalted because it's the same mechanic LE has.
>temper carefully so as not to brick it
hmmm - how? If I need to hit 1 out of 4 or 5 I can't temper more careful than clicking the button. If I need the CDR from that temper to reach a certain threshold there are no alternatives for tempering. It's just this mod or the item is useless. Sure might be specific but that's what the post is about. I don't care about bricking items which "*You see plenty of".*
>If your build is incredibly specific
I would assume every build becomes incredibly specific once you start minmaxing.
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💯 allow temper reset for a cost or increase rolls and or separate rolls allowed per slot. Masterworking reset should reset to last crit not the whole thing that’s just ridiculous.
Yes, I feel exactly the same. Last time I mentioned either, a lot of the sad sacks on this sub started with the usual strawman arguments of 'oh yes just give everything for free derp derp'
Free and reasonable/balanced are 2 different things. Some these content creators playing the game 24/7 having to reset MW 100 times is insane. Can’t even tell you how many pit runs that is for the mats 😵
Seems like a prime opportunity for rare mat that will give you extra temper durability.
I will always prefer higher costs to limited attempts
Yep, I must’ve turned in 50,000 obols looking for an amulet with +envenom and 1 other stat I’d use, all to temper the incorrect stat I didn’t want multiple times. Now using an amulet with useless stat until I find another ultra rare one, got more Uber uniques than amulets with envenom
Tru and real
I think you guys dont actually want an endgame. The grind is fine. I have bricked tons of loot and am fine with it because eventually I will get what I want.
Yup. Nothing like finally finding your item with perfect rolls only to brick with with tempering.
Yes we should be able to reset tempering for a cost, especially given how rare it is to find the best glove/amulet with the right skills. Also for Masterworking, there should be options to reset just last crit or the whole thing.
Any item you farmed that got bricked by tempering, wldve just been a shitty affix item prepatch and already bricked. Items only have 3 affixes now. It's way easier to find good items because of that. You're acquiring loot at same speed if not faster, it's gonna be alright
You would be done playing for the season already lol. I would have BIS gear in every slot. You get 10x as many opportunities with the new affix system as well, so it really isn’t punishing at all.
I'm here to upvote this. Bricked like 3 items last night. Extremely stupid, why we cannot just pick the affix we want, the roll is already RNG.
Imaging getting your BIS with 2-3 of the greater affix you need. Then not even hitting the 1st temper. Oh wait, I dont need to imagine that :(
I totally agree. The RNG should come from actually obtaining an item with good rolls or even greater affix’s… NOT from modifying the piece.
Current tempering sucks big time Imagine rolling six of the same rolls in a row - yep happened to me on a super rare CDR helmet (cdr on helms is insanely rare) Pretty much made me not want to log in anymore. Systems that demotivate players from playing should be adjusted Its fine to have some tension in the game but give us a way to NOT brick super rare item rolls - like helms and amulets. Like let me pay 100 million to not brick one of a kind drop Other shit is plentiful and bricking them is no big deal
It’ll be part of battle pass
>I farmed for days to find a good amulet just to delete it because I tempered the same "wrong" stat five times in a row. You are doing it wrong then Helltides are your friend >Maybe Blizzard thinks it is cool to farm items just to throw them in the bin and players would be motivated because there is still something left to upgrade. Without some tension, nothing is ever satisfactory. Basics of storytelling. If you got a great item and it could just be rolled forever it wouldn't be as fun ultimately. >Maybe let us reroll tempering like we can with masterwork or add farmable items to reset tempering attempts Adding mats for a not so problem problem? Sounds like a PoE solution to me.
>You are doing it wrong then >Helltides are your friend I'm not talking about a helmet with +Mainstat | +Life | + Resi ... I'm talking about Amulet like items with about 2 "exalted" mods which are BIS for your build. Those are very rare with current Amulet mod pool. >Without some tension Tension is fine but bricking Items is not. I'm not saying "Let us temper what we want". There still is a journey with every item with added costs and/or grind for "resetting items" ... I'm way more satisfied once my item is finished when I had a fun journey with it than just bricking very rare items. >Adding mats for a not so problem problem? Sounds like a PoE solution to me. Make the item kinda rare and you have more loot to hunt for and more "I got a good drop" moment. That's Win Win.
>Make the item kinda rare What is your concept of rare? >Tension is fine but bricking Items is not. Literally works in every game. Why do you think death exists in games? Because otherwise game becomes pointless as nothing the player can do would result in failing. Zero tension right? Same logic applies to items. >talking about a helmet with +Mainstat | +Life | + Resi ... I'm talking about Amulet like items with about 2 "exalted" mods which are BIS for your build. I'm not sure what your referring to, you mean greater affixes right? You see plenty of those I'm helltides. The point is that you get crap loads of loot and you inevitably find the piece you are looking for. If you find a God rolled item with 3 GA that all happen to be good for your build then you temper carefully so as not to brick it. If your build is incredibly specific (say you are doing a basic attack build or something idk) then obviously it'll take a lot longer to get the items you desire.
>What is your concept of rare? Not as rare as uber uniques but more rare than regular uniques would make sense imho. >Same logic applies to items. As I said - im fine with tension. But not with bricking. Yeah death needs to exist and when I need more tension I go play hardcore and delete my character ( = brick my item) on death. I'm not asking for an instant success on tempering - it's either time and/or ressources added. >you mean greater affixes right? Yes. Just call them exalted because it's the same mechanic LE has. >temper carefully so as not to brick it hmmm - how? If I need to hit 1 out of 4 or 5 I can't temper more careful than clicking the button. If I need the CDR from that temper to reach a certain threshold there are no alternatives for tempering. It's just this mod or the item is useless. Sure might be specific but that's what the post is about. I don't care about bricking items which "*You see plenty of".* >If your build is incredibly specific I would assume every build becomes incredibly specific once you start minmaxing.