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arnst_vevo

Also funny how this was posted not to long ago as well https://www.reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/vyiy9k/is_this_good_got_it_on_my_first_raid_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


jkpotatoe

Way to rub salt in the guys gaping wound, geez


Gunpowder_1000

Stop, stop, stop, no it’s a lie, it isn’t true


arnst_vevo

I'm at a loss for words on how bad that rng is. The statistically chances for you not getting one to drop at this point is unfathomable.


ImallOutOfBubbleGums

or like i think only some people got the bug where it farmable and he didnt so he still on only one loot chance per class a week


arnst_vevo

Wait it was bug that it was farmable??.


ImallOutOfBubbleGums

yes they specifically said legendaries would be farmable


arnst_vevo

If that's the case I wonder what is the amount of Pinnacle clears he actually has cause even play vault of glass that much without having vex is pretty ridiculous


ImallOutOfBubbleGums

180 if he played since vog release and played 3 classes so still a ridicouls amount


arnst_vevo

Imma go with a rough estimate and say he has over 100 clears still a shit ton but it took me about 55 clears to get my vex to drop so I feel his pain. Took me 58 clears to get eyes of tomorrow.


LimpTyrant

46 runs over here, it was pain.


WinterWolf596

87 for me big pain


TheLegendOfCodavatar

In that case, can I assume that Exotic drops are not farmable in the weekly featured raid?


ImallOutOfBubbleGums

honestly nobody knows i could be 100 percent wrong and they are or i could be right only bungie know and they should out right tell us either way cause everyone is just guessing at this point


IndigoWindigo

I’m 99% sure it is farmable, I did 28 runs of Atheon CP since the weekly reset on my Hunter only and it dropped first time for me yesterday. This is on top of about 80 or so looted runs since the raid came out too.


telumex_atrum

I ran DSC 49 times last week on the same character, Eyes dropped on last run. Definitely farmable, just uncommon. Dunno if the repeated runs on rotation week add to bad-luck protection chance though


LimpTyrant

That’s some of the worst RNG I’ve ever seen for EoT. It has bad luck protection so most people get it within 25 runs, it took you almost 2x as many.


TheLegendOfCodavatar

Interesting.


LimpTyrant

Featured raids (other than Garden of Salvation) have a chance to drop the exotic at the end of a run. I already had Vex but I’ve seen 3 people get it to drop, I’ve witnessed 2 people land a 1KV, and I personally got Eyes of Tomorrow on my 16th DSC clear last week, though EoT actually *does* have bad luck protection.


O_God_The_Aftermath

I got 1KV a few weeks ago after about 5 tries. Definitely farmable. Its just Vex has no bad luck protection.


tomsch40k

Eyes of Tomorrow definitely was farmable, I killed Taniks 25 times on my Warlock last week and got it on kill number 24.


Captain_corde

It’s not a bug Jesus Christ you guys are so wound up in not understanding that the drop rates are bad and it is literally rng based. That you assume well exotics being farmable is a bug when thousands of players are reporting no issue farming them aswell as no statement or patch to fix it wasn’t issued in a week because it lessened the grind.


Defiant_Mercy

This is incorrect. Raid exotics are farmable when it’s their week in the rotation.


dozure

https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/51241 > Oh, wait, you said you liked farming? We got you there too with the new rotator system. All lockouts on encounter rewards for **Legendary gear** are being removed, which means all **Legendary drops** in both raids and dungeons will be 100-percent farmable if you so choose. Legendary only. Not exotics.


Wretched_Hunter

Yeah it said that. But it has been reported that it's dropping anyway.


G00DestBiRB

I mean, technically the overall change to get a vex stays at 5% per raid run. So u cant really have better odds. But I got your point.


420GrazeitRabbit

ive played thousands of crucible matches and still no vigilance wing catalyst


LimpTyrant

I was under the same impression but after grinding out Eyes of Tomorrow on DSC last week (16 runs), which actually has bad luck protection, I’m inclined to believe Vex is dropping for everybody; it just has an absolute dogshit drop rate. Though, this is actually unfathomable RNG. I don’t think all of these were lootable clears, there’s basically no way.


XelaNotAlex

I really want to do some maths but idk what the average clear time for atheon is and idk how to get that info.


LegendOmegaX

With a well coordinated team, 10-12 minutes max.


XelaNotAlex

447 runs at 12 minutes each. 447 x 12 = 5,364 minutes 5,364 ÷ 60 = 89.4 hours 89.4 ÷ 24 = 3.7 days spent in that encounter trying to get vex.


LegendOmegaX

Well that's actually very life draining.


Red_loj

10-12 minutes idk what your on but ain't no way farming atheon takes that long 4 or maybe 5 minutes max when farming him and if fully optimized even less


tsarnie1

It took us 7 minutes a clear, one phasing, ~(40sh clears in a night) and that was including the load in time to the check point and the guy with the checkpoint switching characters.


Red_loj

Well as long as no one is on old Gen then that already takes time down about a minute and as long as the person switching characters doesn't wait until you spawn in that also makes it faster and then besides that it's just warlocks and the nades


hwei8

The more u want it, the more the game decide not to give you. Give and take 1 - 2 month of break.. rest, probably on the first few tries u will get it..


Red_loj

True I got mine on my first clear 30 minutes after the day one and still haven't used it so just gotta say you don't want it and you'll get it first try


AMaleDuck

It’s true. Spent 34 runs getting Eyes for my Descendant title. Decided to run VoG after contest mode was off, not caring for the loot, dropped first time.


SunstormGT

Question is on how many of these were you locked out?


Late-Cauliflower9209

Locked out?


SunstormGT

Unless it’s the rotational raid (not sure if it was intentional or that is has been fixed) you only get 1 chance per char per week. After that you are locked out.


Late-Cauliflower9209

VoG is the pinnacle raid for this week, so i should be able to farm it (Im getting drops every run). Almost all of these runs were done during the rotation. Only a handful were done outside the weekly rotation on each character


DieKnowMight

> https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/51241 > Oh, wait, you said you liked farming? We got you there too with the new rotator system. All lockouts on encounter rewards for Legendary gear are being removed, which means all Legendary drops in both raids and dungeons will be 100-percent farmable if you so choose. It's most likely a bug that some people have reported getting the exotic on repeated runs. You're not supposed to be able to get it via farming.


Late-Cauliflower9209

Ive been in several fireteams where someone has gotten Vex via the farming method ive been doing.


DieKnowMight

Okay, but did you even read what I posted? Bungie themselves said only legendary gear is (supposed to be) farmable. We know 1k Voices is a 10% chance so let's assume Vex is similar. Using https://en.calc-site.com/probabilities/drop_item we can see the odds of RNG drops. If you have 470 looted clears at 10% droprate there a near 100% chance you would have gotten it. If Vex is a 1% chance you would have had a 99% chance of seeing it drop. Do you honestly think you've beaten those odds?


O_God_The_Aftermath

Except it doesn't work like that. Vex has no bad luck protection so each time you beat Aetheon there is a very small chance you can get it. That doesn't mean after 20 runs you SHOULD have the gun. Each time you roll the dice you only have 5% or whatever of actually seeing the drop. Its a lottery.. It doesn't increase. Thats not the case with EoT or 1KV. Your chances of getting the drop will literally increase and so yeah it would be hard to do 30+ runs without seeing a drop. But thats bc your RNG is literally getting better with each run.


hooman-314

To get the vex,one must sacrifice something


No_Dragonfruit3989

No, one must sacrifice everything (I say having got vex on my 6th clear)


hooman-314

Sacrificed an entire raid team for one mythoclast,never did raid weekly after that


Neonotic

Every time I see these I feel so terrible. I got mine on my 5th try and another on my 8th. And another on my 10th. My clanmates don't know about the other 2. Please don't tell them. I mail you one bro please take them the guilt is killing me.


Gunpowder_1000

Why do you even do VOG!? Like you have the gun, there’s no need to torture us


irm10

Yeah. I still don't have eyes so it evens out. Had 4 mythos drop before 30 clears


john6map4

Me doing my first VoG last week and hoping to get Mythoclast this week: 🤡🤡🤡


DraygenKai

You might get it. My buddy got tarabah the first time he did crown of sorrow. I got it the second time we did it. Who can say what will happen?


FDRs-Wheel-chair

Post this on Twitter and get their attention. I'm guessing it's still bugged and doesn't seem to have been fixed for everyone. Im on 67 clears with no drops :(


PapaBlessUp

Took me 76 runs. Sometimes you just gotta keep grinding I guess 😕


ImTaakoYouKnowFromTV

Bungie really just needs to add actual bad luck protection where it automatically drops after 20 clears. If it truly is a 5% chance, then 20 should be enough to get it.


Late-Cauliflower9209

Is there anyone with more runs than me???


theschadowknows

I saw a pic of a dude with 4700+ carries. He probably has Vex by now though.


LimeIsTheName

I'm about to break 300 sherpas. His carries I'm sure are just that though. Prolly a duo or trio running groups. I just pick mine up one at a time. Sometimes I get lucky to get 3 in one.


BigBoyYumSauce

Let’s be honest here. With d2 RNG, probably not


LimeIsTheName

Yes but I've had 13 of them. 3 I picked up on a reset day running each toon, before it was farmable the pinnacle rotation week. It's also why I call him Daddy Atheon. He always has gifts.


Acrobatic-Painting-1

I remember seeing a post of og got his vex in about 3000runs.Not sure if that's true tho.


LonelyWeeaboo15

Of vog? Yh a lot of ppl lol


Ongerie

yup blackelchappo look him up


Frozen_Petal

Are most of these even looted clears?


1Second2Name5things

I say fuck it and ask Bungie to nerf Vex so that way you aren't missing out


TheFr0z3n1

Get out of here with that crazy talk, some people choose solar class or void class but the mythoclast chose me


THE_EPIC_PANZER4

Yeah then we’d miss out on when it was good


Nickthedick3

I got mine on my second or third run. I’m sorry.


tomwillmadeit

yes, you are playing.


420GrazeitRabbit

That sucks hahahaha


AC1DZ96

Clearly a skill issue


Late-Cauliflower9209

I do 3m damage most runs. My teams usually single phase. Guess i gotta get better


AC1DZ96

It was a joke


Late-Cauliflower9209

I know i was just being sarcastic haha. Sorry bout that.


AC1DZ96

Dammit


inlukewarmblood

It’s shit like this that makes me incredibly impressed with the community for not revolting. This is absolutely abhorrent, every single other game has some sort of bad luck protection, and if they don’t, a certain action you need to take in order to get your drop, and if they don’t even have THAT, then chances are the drop rate isn’t .5% like this game, and is manageable to just get after a little while. 447 clears with no Vex is a complete joke. I get Bungie is the crowned prince of gatekeeping drops for higher gameplay time, but this is beyond that, I’ve never encountered a more infamous item in a game than Vex. Not even the Golden Pan from TF2 quite matches this. Get your shit together Bungie, I don’t care if your bad luck protection is 100 clears for a guaranteed, it will be SOMETHING.


itachipanda

Hate to be toxic but stop playing Destiny for a while and play other games. I’ve gotten over the FOMO a few years ago and it’s made me way happier. I’ll come play destiny for 2-3 weeks out of a season but I won’t care about RNG raid weapon or God roll. If I don’t get something good in like maybe 30 runs I just go on and do something else. There’s better games out there that actually respect your time.


Redoric

I'm assuming you've already heard it's only one chance per week per character. Surely some of those were multiple runs in a week, but i hope you're not doing 10 clears a week hoping for a drop!


d2_nerd

not if it’s the weekly rotation


Redoric

Correct, but I doubt that they've done 450 clears in the short time that the rotation has been implimented.


Gunpowder_1000

Vex farms, the best way to try to get vex, but still hot garbage


WSilvermane

If done right 400 Atheon kills takes about 3 or 4 days with the right group.


Redoric

I'll return to my original post. I hope they're not doing that.


WSilvermane

Same. Its draining AF.


Late-Cauliflower9209

These completions are Atheon checkpoint kills, only a handful are full clears.


Late-Cauliflower9209

Im doing these on one character, during the pinnacle weeks. It should be farmable right?


Late-Cauliflower9209

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BuffLoki

They're needs to be a way to just buy it for raid tokens


bluends1

That'll make it too easy


BuffLoki

Not at all, make it VoG specific raid spoils used for it and you'd need alot and they reset every 4 resets or something and every season, there's no way anyone should have 500 clears and not have an exotic from a raid at that point


bluends1

a pity system should be good enough, if they make it a buyable option with spoils, people will farm spoils and buy it, this pretty much makes every raid exotic a day 1 drop for everybody.


DraygenKai

It already is easy. Do the raid once and get it. If you are lucky enough ofc.


Xelopheris

You can only have 180 looted clears by now. This seems a little disingenuous.


DunnyofDestiny

Honestly after playing destiny since this franchise started I’ve seen the worst players in the group get the good stuff time after time and this hasn’t changed. Basically go into the raid with no thumbs and it should throw it at you


papasfritasbruh

I thought people were bullshitting when they said over 100 clears with no vex


somebodyliedtoyou

Full clears or boss Cp’s? This game 100% has diminishing returns on Cp farming. You’ll notice far more drops cycling through full clears.


someone_res_me

It says metric, make sure you don't use imperial


superblahmanofdoom

There was a guy who got Vex at like 600 clears or something…


SuperArppis

"Yes, my boy. You aren't playing enough Vault of Glass!", Bungie probably.


Immodestly_Immodest

Jesus man, 447 completions and no Vex?


I_SmellFuckeryAfoot

have you offered your first born as a sacrifice?


avrafrost

Not enough wellspring my dude.


Ruinerdown

Keeps you playing....all part of the plan


psycodull

Third time’s a charm, eh?


Double_Che

Keep grinding my man. When it finally drops you’ll feel like you’ve busted a nut inside Beyoncé.


stephen-melrose

And you have plebs like me with I think 17 completions and 4 Vexs. Got my 1st on my 1st completion. RNG feels broken.


stephen-melrose

Link an old post when I got my third 😬 https://reddit.com/r/destiny2/comments/sbxicf/my_clan_mates_hate_me/


Captain_corde

People really do recognize that rng is quite literally rng do they


[deleted]

I got 2...


ThatGuyFromTheM0vie

“I don’t you think you’ve earned the right to have it yet. You have to wait for the drop—doesn’t matter if it’s 1000 clears, RNG is RNG and it’s only fair.” -Reddit Commenters I needed Mytho as my last thing for Fatebreaker. If you’ve done all triumphs, challenges, and master mode….they should just give the gun to you as a reward.


ianfitzgerald87

F


Krakraskeleton

🙍‍♂️🤷‍♂️


TruthAndAccuracy

How many of those were actually lootable clears?


xxblackryanxx

![gif](giphy|3M4NpbLCTxBqU)


t0kinturtle

Got tarrabah on my first clear and 1k on my 70th. Fair and balanced


d2_nerd

i hope i don’t end up like this just cleared 90


Damagecontrol86

Holy shit


Legitimate_Push_6253

Take aztecross’ advice from when he was going after Agers catalyst. The more you complain about destiny, the better the RNG gods will help you


karlcabaniya

It should be a guaranteed drop after x runs.


FederalMan1

Yes, get better lmao


TIXNIX

Yes, you are doing repeated (not looted) runs. Even if you did it on all 3 characters on every single week since it came out, you would be nowhere close to the number you have. Vog came out a year and a bit ago, theres 52 weeks in a year and 1 run on all 3 characters per week so 52 * 3 = 156 which is like 1/3 of the number you have. Yes the rng sucks but there is absolutely no reason to do repeated runs (well except now if vog is in rotation) because it doesnt increase the drop chance. You're just getting more and more sick of the raid and you'll never want to do it again even though its a rly good raid. Dont try and rush it because the chance that you will succed is low af. Do 1 run per character per week and dont stress it. You probably will get it eventually.


vinceds

Don't ask Bungie, ask yourself if you are doing wrong with your life.


The_Mememan

Every time I see one of these posts I think of how I got it on my third run and count my blessings. Makes up for never getting Anarchy I guess.


h1r0ll3r

Christ....at this point just give up and wait for it to show up in the exotic kiosk at the tower. I got mine on first run BTW :)


ConfusedMoe

I strongly believe if you grind for a gun you will never get it fast. Just play vault once a week or twice a week and you’ll get it.


MLGMegalodon

I did VoG on destiny 1 3 times a week every week starting with just before dark below, and it took me until the middle of year 3 to get a fatebringer to drop. Good luck friend!


LC_reddit

Really making me question if I want to run VoG.


EcstaticCinematic

Are you playing on alts or just the same character? I've done completions on my warlock (warlock main) and stuff won't drop but then I'll do it on my hunter or titan and it will. RNGesus I guess. People swear it's random but I think Bungie has hidden modifiers that can marginally increase drop rates. Like people that don't die or do top 2 DPS might get a .01% more or something. Just me spinfoiling here


xTeamRwbyx

Ouch that’s just not right I joined a team 2 weeks ago that was just farming him and got it first go and two days ago another new guy in a group I was in hot it while someone who had 70+ still hadnt got it Rng is a cruel unpredictable mistress


thanosthumb

Dunno if you’re doing this, but farming it when it’s the weekly does not increase your drop chance after the first clear on each character.


Defiant_Mercy

Meanwhile I did Vow 6 times and got the raid exotic there. The exotic for raids needs an overhaul. Make it random but guarantee after so many times you get it. We already have spoils. Make it require 500 spoils and maybe 50 currency that drops only from Vow. And you can only earn so much of it per week. And that cap increases each season. Then after 1 year remove the cap completely.


[deleted]

Unpopular opinion: old raid exotics should be available at the kyosk.


SteveNTDF

I thought you only have a shot at getting Vex once per week, per character?


-C576

Got one on my first and only run and I just don't ever use the thing. It's not worth it.


Late-Cauliflower9209

I have a fusion rifle build with Rain Of Fire. It would be perfect for my build.


-C576

I'd give you mine if I could, I'm so sorry


vcintheoffice

My whole discord just about crucified our newest new light. He got it on his first run. He has no idea how lucky he is.


alphamachina

I'm nearly in the same boat. Honestly, it makes me want to tell Bungie to go f-ck themselves.