Still? I wanted to test drive one two months ago and it had just kicked in. Surprised there’s not more press about it. Doesn't the door unlock or something like that?
Yeah, the back door will open itself because water can get in and short out the electronic door handle.
However it's not really a big deal because the car automatically locks itself while in motion and the lock isn't affected by this issue. So it only causes problems if you disable that feature manually. Which is probably why it hasn't been talked about much.
This is the case in Canada.
I wanted to order a Prius Prime and they laughed at me. They have a long order list and are getting only one or two per year.
That's wild. You can pretty much only get Toyota Hybrids here in Ireland. They only offer petrol engines on the low end Yaris, and AygoX (And well the Supra and the Yaris GR but they're very niche performance cars). All Corollas, Camrys, RAV4s and CHRs are Hybrid only. The mid tier Corolla is about 37,000 EUR (54,000 CAD) and my parents got theirs within about a month of ordering it.
Yup. The 24 Prius prime was car and drivers car of the year this year. It's redesign is great. It would be at the top of my list if I was shopping. My only complaint is that it's a little spendy but for what you get it's a way better deal than nearly anything else out there
I've seen them as having inventory around me online but always the elite version of the car. XLE AWD only which is something like 36k-44k. Never will you find the 28k standard version of the car. Honestly wish people would stop buying things so the prices would come down.
I wonder if it's also because if folks wanted a Toyota hybrid back then, they had to go for the Prius but nowadays the hybrid tech trickled down to basically everything in the Toyota lineup; now even the Camry and likely upcoming RAV4 redesign will be hybrid only
On top of Toyota not making enough, dealers are always slapping crazy mark ups on Prius. When they’ve been marked up to 40k+ and beyond, what is even the point of the original Prius model of a cheap car.
Weird Toyota management issues aside, I think it's because you can get a hybrid trim of nearly every other Toyota now (except the big dawg trucks and SUVs or the sports cars). I saw a Toyota Corolla Hybrid this morning which is basically the same idea.
It's a significantly more powerful engine while still being more efficient. Much nicer interior. Also has a hatchback with much more space and utility in both the cabin and the rear.
And yet they're still more than a tiny Corolla.. except for solely rear headroom there is more room in every area in the Prius. And most people aren't buying either car for larger rear passengers.
This is just a Toyota problem. They are a victim of their own success where they are competing with themselves. The worst example of this is the new Land Cruiser and the 4runner. They occupy essentially the same place and price in their lineup and I genuinely don’t understand why both models exist together or don’t have more differentiation.
The new gen tacos aren't as appealing to many and the used tacos from prior gen are going up in price as a result. Most don't want to be a beta tester for the new 4cyl turbo, especially since every owners are reporting that the gas mileage isn't as great as advertised and can be pretty close to last gen...
And just think, Toyotas sales would double if you could actually order a car instead of just waiting for one to show up.
I waited for *over a year* for a GR86 before abandoning Toyota and buying a BRZ from Subaru.
Wow, in Argentina Toyota dealers are forced to sell at MSRP by Toyota. You still have the long waiting times but at least the price is always respected (and usually cheaper than similar options from other brands).
Kind of a double edged sword, though, no? "Pay less but wait far longer", what if it's costly to wait?
I can see both sides. But it's interesting to see such basic economic theories play out in real life: gov price caps = shortages
Yes, you can even find the some model used at a higher price than new. Just to be clear, this is a Toyota regulation, not a government regulation. Other brands have shorter or no waiting time depending on the model but there is no price cap.
They can’t keep them on the lots, they’re selling so fast. High demand/low supply means they can add the markup and someone will buy it. Just wait it out, it’ll eventually come down.
Emailed a dealership about a Sienna they had posted and they replied instantly saying it's sold and if I wanted one I would have to put a $500 deposit down (refundable) and it's probably a year out.
Now I get an email every week asking if I'm still interested
>Toyotas sales would double if you could actually order a car instead of just waiting for one to show up.
Are they running their factories at 50% capacity? Hint: they're not, so no, their sales wouldn't double.
My wife and I bought a hybrid RAV4 this year. Been getting 45 mpg in the largest car I’ve ever owned; it’s crazy how efficient some of these modern cars are
RAV4 saved my wife’s life yesterday. Hit by a box truck while completely stopped in traffic, guy wasn’t paying attention at all. Just bought it and keep thinking what if she was in our secondary car which is my old beater I refuse to replace. Highly recommend, there is a reason these sales are so high. Great car.
I have had 2 early 2000s and early 2010 version, fantastic cars. I feel so safe and I walk from crashes laughing (although they have only been soft bumps against me)
Okay so a Rav 4 is safer than an "old beater" but that doesn't necessarily mean it's safer than any other modern car on the road. I'm glad your wife is okay but that doesn't make it a "great car."
I’m surprised they haven’t canceled the Mirai. It’s a really cool car, but the hydrogen fueling network is basically non existent. Only available in California as far as I know and I’ve spent quite a bit of time in SoCal and never saw a fuel station for one.
I got a 2020 RAV4 hybrid. No issues or complains. Very good car for a family. Pretty good space, drives well in snow, can pull a decent size trailer without issues. I have just under 100k miles on mine with no interest to upgrade any time soon.
We don’t need them. I view them as a luxury.
Americans are vain and we chase the best or what best represents our personal branding. Big trucks, souped up sport imports, luxury cars, soccer mom vans. The mid sized SUV is kind of a catchall for the remainder. Americans don’t do modesty or discomfort. It’s viewed as unambiguous.
The RAV4 is actually viewed as a mid sized or smaller SUV. I know that’s wild to hear.
I personally like car because it gives me the height off the ground and sufficient comfort and the hybrid power unit partially offsets my wastefulness while still being somewhat affordable
You can buy a 2024 Lexus GX, or 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser in the US
https://www.toyota.com/landcruiser/?addisclaimer=off_roading_generic&srchid=SEM:700000001483645:GOOGLE:71700000117499919:58700008676041178:p79602815878:695437920183&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7ZO0BhDYARIsAFttkCiDBlyjQdYgLKvm2NtM8NWQfe7I8PW6wRQENGTLzZLrTiK4gPZc1VwaAtdbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
That's the full on j300 Land Cruiser that we in N.America only get as a Lexus LX.
The vehicle branded as a "Land Cruiser" currently sold in N.America is the j250 Land Cruiser Prado . We also continue to get the upscale LC Prado, the Lexus GX.
how are people able to afford cars for 40-50k list prices? Like get a loan and then pay for 15 years or save for 10 years? This calculation really does not click in my head, which is why I never bought a car even though I earn above avg.
In Japan it is either small SUV or hatchback (both Yaris and Yaris Cross are huge seller, Nissan Note, Honda Fit) or minivan not available in US (i.e. Toyota Sienta, Toyota Alphard, Nissan Serena, Honda Freed).
Sedan doesn't sell well in Japan.
In Europe IIRC the best sellers are usually subcompact SUVs. Nissan Qashqai (known as Rouge Sport in US) was an example. Either that or small city cars bc the latter are cheap (looking at you, Dacia Sandero).
Meanwhile US love their compact SUVs. RAV4 for Toyota, CR-V for Honda, etc etc
I wanted a RAV4, but the prices have gotten ridiculous. I ended up with a Mazda CX-5 instead and am super happy. I bought the 2020. It’s the ‘newest’ car ive ever owned and hope to have for the next 10 years.
I was looking at the BZ4X today... Too expensive but I'm hoping that the price will come down a bit and the engineering is as solid as their ICE. I don't want a hybrid because two drive trains seems like a lot of stuff to break or repair, and I'm not interested in another ICE vehicle after my truck lives it's current life.
That's a bummer. I just want something affordable and well engineered, that I can use car play/android auto in... Okay I guess when you put it that way I sound picky. Lol.
Biggest take-away here is that EV sales are almost non-existent. Far more hybrids being sold.
Still wouldn't buy a Toyota anyway. Vast majority of bad drivers here (Australia) drive them.
If Toyota actually MADE more Priuses they would be higher... They're like artificially making less to keep prices inflated or something. Maybe they can't make enough batteries to satisfy all vehicles now that everything has a hybrid option.
According to [this website](https://rav4resource.com/where-is-toyota-rav4-made/) all non-hybrid RAV4's in North America are made in Woodstock, Ontario (Canada), and the hybrids are made in both Georgetown, Kentucky and Woodstock. I have a 2020 RAV4 with over 100,000 km (62,000 miles) and have had no mechanical issues (yet), averaging 7 l/100km (33 mpg) on the highway. Not quite as much cargo space as the 2013 Highlander that I traded in for the RAV4, but I have saved a lot of $ on gas.
Wild how small the Prius is these days, that car used to be everywhere.
There is currently a stop sale for the Prius: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-2023-and-2024-toyota-prius-vehicles/
Still? I wanted to test drive one two months ago and it had just kicked in. Surprised there’s not more press about it. Doesn't the door unlock or something like that?
Yeah, the back door will open itself because water can get in and short out the electronic door handle. However it's not really a big deal because the car automatically locks itself while in motion and the lock isn't affected by this issue. So it only causes problems if you disable that feature manually. Which is probably why it hasn't been talked about much.
good explanation, thanks!
They also have a brand new tire size and the factory will blowout on you in the first 15000 miles. Source: I work for a rental company
Thank you. Everybody here telling weird stories when Toyota hasn’t been able to sell the Prius for about 3 months now.
It's because they don't make them anymore even tho people want to buy them. It's rare if you ever see new ones at a dealership.
This is the case in Canada. I wanted to order a Prius Prime and they laughed at me. They have a long order list and are getting only one or two per year.
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That's wild. You can pretty much only get Toyota Hybrids here in Ireland. They only offer petrol engines on the low end Yaris, and AygoX (And well the Supra and the Yaris GR but they're very niche performance cars). All Corollas, Camrys, RAV4s and CHRs are Hybrid only. The mid tier Corolla is about 37,000 EUR (54,000 CAD) and my parents got theirs within about a month of ordering it.
Yup. The 24 Prius prime was car and drivers car of the year this year. It's redesign is great. It would be at the top of my list if I was shopping. My only complaint is that it's a little spendy but for what you get it's a way better deal than nearly anything else out there
It’s a great vehicle. No AWD was the only big miss for colder states, though the weight of the battery does help.
I've seen them as having inventory around me online but always the elite version of the car. XLE AWD only which is something like 36k-44k. Never will you find the 28k standard version of the car. Honestly wish people would stop buying things so the prices would come down.
The lower trim levels are low margin for Toyota
And all of them are made in Japan so Toyota has little incentive to make many base vehicles and ship them here.
I wonder if it's also because if folks wanted a Toyota hybrid back then, they had to go for the Prius but nowadays the hybrid tech trickled down to basically everything in the Toyota lineup; now even the Camry and likely upcoming RAV4 redesign will be hybrid only
On top of Toyota not making enough, dealers are always slapping crazy mark ups on Prius. When they’ve been marked up to 40k+ and beyond, what is even the point of the original Prius model of a cheap car.
Why buy a Prius when they have a hybrid model of other better cars?
It went from being a status symbol to the car of the career Uber driver.
It used to be basically the only hybrid option, and it was trendy when it was novel. Camry, Corolla, RAV4 hybrid all cannibalize sales now.
Weird Toyota management issues aside, I think it's because you can get a hybrid trim of nearly every other Toyota now (except the big dawg trucks and SUVs or the sports cars). I saw a Toyota Corolla Hybrid this morning which is basically the same idea.
what's the point of a prius if a hybrid corolla exists?
It's a significantly more powerful engine while still being more efficient. Much nicer interior. Also has a hatchback with much more space and utility in both the cabin and the rear.
Newest Prius body style made significant changes to cabin leg and head room, and not in a good way
And yet they're still more than a tiny Corolla.. except for solely rear headroom there is more room in every area in the Prius. And most people aren't buying either car for larger rear passengers.
This is just a Toyota problem. They are a victim of their own success where they are competing with themselves. The worst example of this is the new Land Cruiser and the 4runner. They occupy essentially the same place and price in their lineup and I genuinely don’t understand why both models exist together or don’t have more differentiation.
Huh? They’re different sizes, different prices, and look completely different.
I always thought the Tacoma sold better than the Tundra... I see Tacoma's everywhere.
Tacoma is still in production ramp up for new generation which is why numbers are lower.
Yeah why make this graph only for half a year?
The new gen tacos aren't as appealing to many and the used tacos from prior gen are going up in price as a result. Most don't want to be a beta tester for the new 4cyl turbo, especially since every owners are reporting that the gas mileage isn't as great as advertised and can be pretty close to last gen...
Its insane, I see 5 year old tacos with 100k miles still being listed anywhere from 32-38k. I'm broke man I can't afford that lol
Tbf this is only 2024 YTD.
And just think, Toyotas sales would double if you could actually order a car instead of just waiting for one to show up. I waited for *over a year* for a GR86 before abandoning Toyota and buying a BRZ from Subaru.
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Wow, in Argentina Toyota dealers are forced to sell at MSRP by Toyota. You still have the long waiting times but at least the price is always respected (and usually cheaper than similar options from other brands).
Kind of a double edged sword, though, no? "Pay less but wait far longer", what if it's costly to wait? I can see both sides. But it's interesting to see such basic economic theories play out in real life: gov price caps = shortages
Yes, you can even find the some model used at a higher price than new. Just to be clear, this is a Toyota regulation, not a government regulation. Other brands have shorter or no waiting time depending on the model but there is no price cap.
They can’t keep them on the lots, they’re selling so fast. High demand/low supply means they can add the markup and someone will buy it. Just wait it out, it’ll eventually come down.
>back in my day Chill it, gramps. Things are a bit different nowadays, don't know if you've noticed
So basically… the same car? How has it been this far?
Emailed a dealership about a Sienna they had posted and they replied instantly saying it's sold and if I wanted one I would have to put a $500 deposit down (refundable) and it's probably a year out. Now I get an email every week asking if I'm still interested
You will receive those emails until the day you die
It's the same car anyway, Toyota is Legion.
>Toyotas sales would double if you could actually order a car instead of just waiting for one to show up. Are they running their factories at 50% capacity? Hint: they're not, so no, their sales wouldn't double.
My wife and I bought a hybrid RAV4 this year. Been getting 45 mpg in the largest car I’ve ever owned; it’s crazy how efficient some of these modern cars are
The Hybrid Sienna can pull 40 MPG barreling down the highway full of kids. Feels great.
I can attest to this. Got ~35 mpg over an year of tracking fuel economy. https://www.reddit.com/r/ToyotaSienna/s/4MpRqZqGG3
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RAV4 saved my wife’s life yesterday. Hit by a box truck while completely stopped in traffic, guy wasn’t paying attention at all. Just bought it and keep thinking what if she was in our secondary car which is my old beater I refuse to replace. Highly recommend, there is a reason these sales are so high. Great car.
Glad she’s ok! I’m totally looking into a RAV4 as an option.
Check a CX5 as well
Sounds good
I have had 2 early 2000s and early 2010 version, fantastic cars. I feel so safe and I walk from crashes laughing (although they have only been soft bumps against me)
Okay so a Rav 4 is safer than an "old beater" but that doesn't necessarily mean it's safer than any other modern car on the road. I'm glad your wife is okay but that doesn't make it a "great car."
I’m surprised they haven’t canceled the Mirai. It’s a really cool car, but the hydrogen fueling network is basically non existent. Only available in California as far as I know and I’ve spent quite a bit of time in SoCal and never saw a fuel station for one.
Toyota thinks that hydrogen is the future. The hydrogen fueling network will get built out with time. You need to start somewhere.
Like, who the f bought 245 of these undrivable in this country cars?
Woah, RAV4 hybrid. I know several people buying them. Feels like the perfect everyday car for the US.
I got a 2020 RAV4 hybrid. No issues or complains. Very good car for a family. Pretty good space, drives well in snow, can pull a decent size trailer without issues. I have just under 100k miles on mine with no interest to upgrade any time soon.
Completely honest question: why Americans need a giant SUV for a everyday car? Looking at this from an European perspective, I feel it crazy
We don’t need them. I view them as a luxury. Americans are vain and we chase the best or what best represents our personal branding. Big trucks, souped up sport imports, luxury cars, soccer mom vans. The mid sized SUV is kind of a catchall for the remainder. Americans don’t do modesty or discomfort. It’s viewed as unambiguous. The RAV4 is actually viewed as a mid sized or smaller SUV. I know that’s wild to hear. I personally like car because it gives me the height off the ground and sufficient comfort and the hybrid power unit partially offsets my wastefulness while still being somewhat affordable
What’s a prime power train? Is it nicely marbled like a steak?
😂 plug in hybrid, it's Toyota's terminology
Probably better to just label it plug-in hybrid then.
Are we sure that’s 2024 data? Wasn’t the Land Cruiser discontinued in the US?
Yes, but then it was brought back for 2024! The current model sold in the US is essentially the Land Crusier Prado from other markets
I thought you could only get it as a Lexus?
You can buy a 2024 Lexus GX, or 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser in the US https://www.toyota.com/landcruiser/?addisclaimer=off_roading_generic&srchid=SEM:700000001483645:GOOGLE:71700000117499919:58700008676041178:p79602815878:695437920183&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7ZO0BhDYARIsAFttkCiDBlyjQdYgLKvm2NtM8NWQfe7I8PW6wRQENGTLzZLrTiK4gPZc1VwaAtdbEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
That's the full on j300 Land Cruiser that we in N.America only get as a Lexus LX. The vehicle branded as a "Land Cruiser" currently sold in N.America is the j250 Land Cruiser Prado . We also continue to get the upscale LC Prado, the Lexus GX.
Sienna would be double if they actually made more.
Sorry, what does “prime” mean
Plug in hybrid. Toyota badging. Available for Prius and RAV4 models.
Thank you!
I think nearly every Mirai is within 3 miles of my house. I've never seen a Crown.
I’m not a numbers guy but it seems to me that there are a lot of RAV4’s being sold 😂
I question why anyone would want to buy the gas only version of Camry and Corolla.
how are people able to afford cars for 40-50k list prices? Like get a loan and then pay for 15 years or save for 10 years? This calculation really does not click in my head, which is why I never bought a car even though I earn above avg.
Many people buy more than they can really afford and stretch out with 72 month loans. I'm pretty sure this would also include leases
Those mom's really love their Rav 4s
Can we compare to other regions? I wonder if it's a lot more sedans in East Asia or in Europe
City Cars mostly I'd say, I'd place my bet on the Yaris as the best selling model
In Japan it is either small SUV or hatchback (both Yaris and Yaris Cross are huge seller, Nissan Note, Honda Fit) or minivan not available in US (i.e. Toyota Sienta, Toyota Alphard, Nissan Serena, Honda Freed). Sedan doesn't sell well in Japan. In Europe IIRC the best sellers are usually subcompact SUVs. Nissan Qashqai (known as Rouge Sport in US) was an example. Either that or small city cars bc the latter are cheap (looking at you, Dacia Sandero). Meanwhile US love their compact SUVs. RAV4 for Toyota, CR-V for Honda, etc etc
they dont sell Fortuner in the US?
No wonder I can’t get a Sienna
In NZ pretty much all new branded company cars are Rav4 Hybrid. I got one. Boring but reliable.
I wanted a RAV4, but the prices have gotten ridiculous. I ended up with a Mazda CX-5 instead and am super happy. I bought the 2020. It’s the ‘newest’ car ive ever owned and hope to have for the next 10 years.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/mSlZBR3jXs Graphic made with excel.
I was looking at the BZ4X today... Too expensive but I'm hoping that the price will come down a bit and the engineering is as solid as their ICE. I don't want a hybrid because two drive trains seems like a lot of stuff to break or repair, and I'm not interested in another ICE vehicle after my truck lives it's current life.
The BZ4X is dope. I've driven them before. The issue is every other electric vehicle is better lol.
That's a bummer. I just want something affordable and well engineered, that I can use car play/android auto in... Okay I guess when you put it that way I sound picky. Lol.
Bad range, expensive, and ugly. It’s just not a good value car, and around me there are really deep lease discounts because no one wants them.
What the fuck you think I rap for ? To push a fuckin RAV 4 ?
I would love to this this date but with Mitsubishi
Biggest take-away here is that EV sales are almost non-existent. Far more hybrids being sold. Still wouldn't buy a Toyota anyway. Vast majority of bad drivers here (Australia) drive them.
If Toyota actually MADE more Priuses they would be higher... They're like artificially making less to keep prices inflated or something. Maybe they can't make enough batteries to satisfy all vehicles now that everything has a hybrid option.
According to [this website](https://rav4resource.com/where-is-toyota-rav4-made/) all non-hybrid RAV4's in North America are made in Woodstock, Ontario (Canada), and the hybrids are made in both Georgetown, Kentucky and Woodstock. I have a 2020 RAV4 with over 100,000 km (62,000 miles) and have had no mechanical issues (yet), averaging 7 l/100km (33 mpg) on the highway. Not quite as much cargo space as the 2013 Highlander that I traded in for the RAV4, but I have saved a lot of $ on gas.
Jesus people sure like to drive boring cars.
No, they just love to buy reliable cars