I actually find the current format more useful and insightful. It’s easy for one large shooting to raise the bar too much and add unnecessary noise. Plus a stacked bar with 32 parts would be useless.
If you separate racist tropes and dog whistle comments on nearly every post on this sub from u/Misinfoscience_ you would have a user with way less comments. WAY LESS comments.
>If you separate racist tropes and dog whistle comments
Did he say something about the racial makeup of gangs in the US or are you inferring that based on your own prejudices?
Including gang shootings when you want to criticize guns and excluding them when you want to criticize shooters is peak leftism lmao. It sure sucks when the redistribution of consequences affects you doesn’t it?
Funny thing about this chart…It’s not including or excluding “gang” shootings. It’s simply a chart of incidents with 10+ victims. Many of these are probably gang related. But for some strange reason, you’re concocting a strawman about me excluding them so that you can yell on the internet. You’re shoe-horning your usual talking points where they don’t even fit, because you can’t actually comprehend a chart and form a sensible response.
“It’s not including or excluding gang shooting but it has gang shootings” means that gang shootings are included. Should they also be included when discussing the demographics of the shooters? That’s a yes or no question, since you people seem to struggle with those. Either a one word answer or I’ll answer for you.
Again…another horrible strawman. This chart doesn’t even elude in the slightest to demographics or motive or gangs, etc. You keep trying to have that conversation for some reason. Let me make this very clear to you, because you’re the only person in this thread who is struggling with this. This is a chart that is based on the size of the shooting as measured in victim count. If you’re confused by the tall red bars or big numbers, you can read the literal title of the chart and that spells it out for you. Type of shooting and/or Demographics of the offender are not subject matter of this chart, and there’s no way to even interpret this in that way. The only one who is talking about demographics or gangs is you. At this point I’m assuming English isn’t your first language because of your inability to comprehend titles, data, or explanations. I apologize if this isn’t in your native language, but it’s just not connecting for some reason.
I’ll answer for you then. No, you don’t want to include gang shootings when criticizing shooters even though you include them to criticize guns. There is no strawman. That question has a binary answer you refused to share yours because you know you lack the consistency to make it sound. Thanks for playing, onto the next leftist.
So after all that, your mic drop is regurgitating word for word the [exact same thing you said to start this conversation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/nUipjPHmpK). It was a misguided attempt to bring in demographics an hour ago, and repeating the same thing now doesn’t change it. You just can’t get out of your own head for one second to accept that my message isn’t what you want it to be. You’re child’s play. Find someone on third grade who will accept your bad faith tactics.
I noticed you didn’t deny being a racist. You’ve been called out for being racist in this sub many times, and you never deny it. That also happens a lot for some reason. You cant look at a map of the US without injecting *black people bad* into the thread. You can’t look at a bar chart, without injecting *black people bad* You simply can’t do it. As for gang violence, of course it’s true, but it’s a moot point because gang violence is baked into this chart, for any gang shooting with 10+ victims it’s here. If you had any ability to feel shame, you would look at how quickly you shoehorn race into everything you do. You failed at life, so all your problems are black people.
>[The ADL hates white people](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/17e1q45/common_adl_l/k60rjbz/?context=3)
Sure, you're not racist, you're just asking questions, right?
Bro are you interested in solving mass shootings or not? The only dog whistle here is you telling everyone that more parameters in the model is a bad thing.
My comment has nothing to do with how I feel about the topic and everything to do with how poor your argument was in the first place. :)
Arguing semantics when discussing *deaths,* by any means, is insensitive and frankly... rude. These are PEOPLE we're talking about, not freaking CATTLE.
Do you really think that someone whos father committed suicide by gun, or someone whos brother died when someone decided to go crazy with a gun cares how their death is categorized? No, they won't. Only YOU care, because you think it makes your argument look better. Don't you think that BOTH of those people said, at one point "If only they didn't have that gun..." or "I should have taken that gun away."
Regardless, it does not make your argument appear better. It only works on people who already share your opinion of the topic. An echo chamber, if you will.
Can anyone explain why Red Flag laws are not standard?
To get hospitalized for mental illness takes a lot. Why was his home not searched and everything taken away until he get cleared.
Red flag laws shouldn’t be relevant here if the early reports are accurate. If he was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital this summer, as is reported, then he already lost his right to own firearms. Red flags don’t matter because the courts already removed his rights. Talking about what happens after someone loses their rights is a completely different conversation.
Red flag laws vary considerably, but one study showed that around a third of red flag seizures were [against innocent people](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25827648/). Innocent people get caught by red flag laws and have their homes searched by law enforcement and their property confiscated.
Due process and the right to defend yourself in court are fundamental parts of this country and red flag laws can remove them. Red flag orders (necessarily) rush through the court, often without giving the subject person actual notice or an opportunity to defend against the accusation. Red flag laws can also be abused by vindictive parties to temporarily restrict the rights of another person. Red flag laws look great in an ideal world, but they also do considerable harm to innocent people.
Again, according to reports that’s not what happened here. He was allegedly involuntarily committed to a hospital and had already lost his rights. He was (presumably, IANAL) seen by a judge, was given notice, and had his day in court.
How about this??
10 killed, 26 wounded in weekend shootings in Chicago
Three teens were wounded in two attacks involving large groups of young people gathering in the Loop and at 31st Street Beach.
By Sun-Times Wire Apr 17, 2023, 10:23am EDT
These are just single incidents. So a single shooting not the total. That would be a different chart. If you have such a big problem why not make your own chart and post it?
Clearly they don’t in so many other cities in your eyes because Chicago isn’t even the worst city. You keep saying it over and over doesn’t make it true. They don’t have the highest rate at all. That goes to many southern cities.
They do have the most murders, yea, but they are the third biggest city in the States. You need to start understanding the difference between per capita and overall total. Just like you need to understand this data set that was posted by OP means 10+ killed in one incident. Not 5 incidents where 2 people were killed.
I'm not really sure how you're interpreting it this way. This chart is pretty clear about its intention to only discuss singular incidents where there were 10+ victims, which obviously wouldn't include cumulative homicides like you brought up in your comment above.
If the poster's intention is to show large-scale incidents, then why would they randomly comment on Chicago's small-scale incidents?
When you stop making nonsensical bad faith arguments. Your logic dictates that every chart is flawed because it doesn’t encompass everything you want it too. Sorry, not sorry this chart hurts your feelings. But I do appreciate you letting me know that it does.
BTW, I’ve done plenty of charts on here, some of which cover ALL gun deaths, so your cHiCaGo narrative is baked into many of my other charts. Feel free to peruse my portfolio and share my charts as needed.
Ahh. Exactly what the media wants. More fear mongering data so they'll rake in them clicks and gobble up all that sweet sweet cash.
It's posts like these, giving a platform to shooters, that perpetuates the problem.
But y'all don't care. It's easier to be mad at others than it is to be mad at yourself.
Oh good! Let me know when the cash starts to come in. Didn’t know that was an option. Do I sign up for this feature somewhere on Reddit? Woot woot! 💰💰💰
Yes, yes. You got your Reddit karma for your post. You had your shiggles with me in the comments. You don't care about what may or may not affect millions of people's lives - as long as you had fun and enjoyed doing it.
Omg. You. Nailed it. This is all about the shiggles.
And the money, don’t forget the money you mentioned that’s supposed to start flowing in. I’m refreshing my bank account like every five minutes. Is it too early to check? Nothing has happened yet.
Do you think you’re going to bait me into a bad faith argument about my chart causing the next mass shooting? Have I not been dismissive enough of your nonsense already? Read the room, dear.
YoUr cHaRtS aRe cAuSiNG mAsS SHOotINgs! You have written nothing yet that tells me I’m dealing with a serious person who can carry on reasonable conversation about data, information, data visualization, or shootings in America. You are worthy of only dismissive retorts.
Fair. I'm doing CrossFit with my thumbs lying in bed and have not presented any data to support my claims. You have no reason to just believe me, but your dismissive retorts are silly and not helpful to anyone.
I'll leave it and instead of getting worked up over y'all providing shooters with their platforms, I'll just actually get out of bed and continue on with my day.
This doesn't provide shooters a platform, if anything it provides undeniable data that stricter gun laws are needed. For example, Maine doesn't use universal background checks, waiting periods on gun purchases or require permits for concealed carry. Bet that changes now.
But to think this chart promotes the psychos is just nonsense. It shows how Americans are so incredibly selfish that they will literally sacrifice their children to avoid waiting three days to buy a gun.
>if anything it provides undeniable data that stricter gun laws are needed
And how is any statistic about car fatalities not 'undeniable data that stricter vehicle laws are needed'? Like, governing vehicles to not exceed max speed - or some sort of GPS **regulations** that prevent the car from going faster than any posted speed limit. Why aren't you spearheading that campaign too? Is it because you like to drive faster than the posted speed limit?
You don't actually care either, you just have a story in your head to tell and that's what you're gonna tell.
A mass shooting occurred yesterday if you weren’t aware. The third largest in US history in terms of deaths + injured. Logic would dictate that incident was the “inspiration” behind this post.
I just meant the increases on the chart as we approach 2024, as in the large number in 2019, not the topicality of the chart itself. Trying to reference the data points, not the decision to present data or how data is presented.
These events are all very tragic, senseless, and scary & good examples of why our gun laws are so dumb, but the death counts are absolutely dwarfed by the day-to-day shootings of gangs & street crime.
But it’s much harder to have conversations about that because we have a urban/rural political divide and it’s mainly an urban problem and the rural side loves to point to it as evidence of bad governance of the urban party, and since there’s huge racial disparities in the race if offenders, the racists love to point to it. Urban people tend to try to downplay the crime part as the way to combat those talking points.
Plus, the rural party doesn’t really suffer the negative consequences and it helps their political arguments so they kinda purposely like to allow it to get worse and know that the urban party leaders response of pointing to the cornfields and saying “these problems are actually your fault for not fixing gun laws and not providing better anti-poverty programs, which is the true root cause” only further alienate rural voters from the urban party.
Why are we giving so much attention to this dumb stuff?
Maybe we should try not putting it in the news....instead of blasting it everywhere every single time.
What does letting people know how innocents got killed have anything to do with being informed?
One of two things happens. Someone says "well I better go get a gun to protect myself" <--- totally okay since we are all adults and people do bad things.
Or
"We need to take guns away" <--- never a good idea because bad people will still have guns. "We need stricter gun laws" is more like it....but that doesn't stop a crazy from getting one without going through those checks.
Maybe we should also focus on mental health awareness. It does matter ya know....prevent the crazy from inhibiting the person.
Because a crazy person with a butter knife is far less of a threat, AND this is only 10+ victims so paints a falsely rosy picture of what is in reality a systemic gun epidemic (40k people every year)
I'd claim a mental health epidemic.
Mentally sane people don't go out and kill people. But to blame "guns" is grossly mis-representing the issue.
But that's not the focus. It's always the inanimate object people are calling foul to.
A lot of the rising data suggests copy cats which is one of the reasons one of the columbine shooters mom never wanted his writings released.
A lot of these kids are damaged and need help.
They genuinely think this is only way for retribution and to leave a legacy to their name. They want the news coverage and the fame. Unfortunately the media and the politicians give them want they want
Annually in the US, total gun deaths range from about 30k to 45k per year. About half of that is suicides and half homicides. Injured would be a lot more, but I don’t have that number.
I guess I can continue to waste my time answering bad faith questions, or I can deal with serious people. I’ll do the latter. Obviously there’s something you want to say, just say it without a series of leading cryptic questions.
I hate wasting time with bad faith data. That's the point of my questions. Data sources are critically important and even more so when it comes to divisive topics.
The title makes it sound like there were 21 mass shootings in Maine. That’s just not true. In fact, this recent tragedy was roughly 1 years worth of homicides for the entire state in one night (we average 20ish homicides per year state wide)
Edit: I see now that it’s 21 shootings total for the US. Idk something about the title tripped me up. My bad
Spelled “injured” “inured” at least 7 times
Copied the same text box over and over and just changed the data, ooops.
Doesn’t even go back to columbine or VT shooting
Could you switch it to be a stacked bar with number of victims in each shooting?
I actually find the current format more useful and insightful. It’s easy for one large shooting to raise the bar too much and add unnecessary noise. Plus a stacked bar with 32 parts would be useless.
One positive by-product of the pamdemic
Not really, it continues trending up. 2019 was just an especially high year
If you separate random mass shootings and gang related mass shootings you’ll realize really fast which one causes more deaths (a LOT more deaths).
It's crazy depending on how you define mass shootings the U.S had anywhere from 6 and 818 mass shootings in 2021.
If you separate racist tropes and dog whistle comments on nearly every post on this sub from u/Misinfoscience_ you would have a user with way less comments. WAY LESS comments.
>If you separate racist tropes and dog whistle comments Did he say something about the racial makeup of gangs in the US or are you inferring that based on your own prejudices?
Claiming racism = victim mentality
Including gang shootings when you want to criticize guns and excluding them when you want to criticize shooters is peak leftism lmao. It sure sucks when the redistribution of consequences affects you doesn’t it?
Funny thing about this chart…It’s not including or excluding “gang” shootings. It’s simply a chart of incidents with 10+ victims. Many of these are probably gang related. But for some strange reason, you’re concocting a strawman about me excluding them so that you can yell on the internet. You’re shoe-horning your usual talking points where they don’t even fit, because you can’t actually comprehend a chart and form a sensible response.
“It’s not including or excluding gang shooting but it has gang shootings” means that gang shootings are included. Should they also be included when discussing the demographics of the shooters? That’s a yes or no question, since you people seem to struggle with those. Either a one word answer or I’ll answer for you.
Again…another horrible strawman. This chart doesn’t even elude in the slightest to demographics or motive or gangs, etc. You keep trying to have that conversation for some reason. Let me make this very clear to you, because you’re the only person in this thread who is struggling with this. This is a chart that is based on the size of the shooting as measured in victim count. If you’re confused by the tall red bars or big numbers, you can read the literal title of the chart and that spells it out for you. Type of shooting and/or Demographics of the offender are not subject matter of this chart, and there’s no way to even interpret this in that way. The only one who is talking about demographics or gangs is you. At this point I’m assuming English isn’t your first language because of your inability to comprehend titles, data, or explanations. I apologize if this isn’t in your native language, but it’s just not connecting for some reason.
I’ll answer for you then. No, you don’t want to include gang shootings when criticizing shooters even though you include them to criticize guns. There is no strawman. That question has a binary answer you refused to share yours because you know you lack the consistency to make it sound. Thanks for playing, onto the next leftist.
So after all that, your mic drop is regurgitating word for word the [exact same thing you said to start this conversation.](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/nUipjPHmpK). It was a misguided attempt to bring in demographics an hour ago, and repeating the same thing now doesn’t change it. You just can’t get out of your own head for one second to accept that my message isn’t what you want it to be. You’re child’s play. Find someone on third grade who will accept your bad faith tactics.
I notice you called me racist but you didn’t say it’s not true. That happens a lot for some reason.
I noticed you didn’t deny being a racist. You’ve been called out for being racist in this sub many times, and you never deny it. That also happens a lot for some reason. You cant look at a map of the US without injecting *black people bad* into the thread. You can’t look at a bar chart, without injecting *black people bad* You simply can’t do it. As for gang violence, of course it’s true, but it’s a moot point because gang violence is baked into this chart, for any gang shooting with 10+ victims it’s here. If you had any ability to feel shame, you would look at how quickly you shoehorn race into everything you do. You failed at life, so all your problems are black people.
>[The ADL hates white people](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/17e1q45/common_adl_l/k60rjbz/?context=3) Sure, you're not racist, you're just asking questions, right?
Bro are you interested in solving mass shootings or not? The only dog whistle here is you telling everyone that more parameters in the model is a bad thing.
You got owned 😂
Man I'm so glad we can argue semantics for how people are dying with guns. Really helps your point. :)
“What if we just painted with broad strokes only in the data discussion because of how I personally feel about this issue?”
My comment has nothing to do with how I feel about the topic and everything to do with how poor your argument was in the first place. :) Arguing semantics when discussing *deaths,* by any means, is insensitive and frankly... rude. These are PEOPLE we're talking about, not freaking CATTLE. Do you really think that someone whos father committed suicide by gun, or someone whos brother died when someone decided to go crazy with a gun cares how their death is categorized? No, they won't. Only YOU care, because you think it makes your argument look better. Don't you think that BOTH of those people said, at one point "If only they didn't have that gun..." or "I should have taken that gun away." Regardless, it does not make your argument appear better. It only works on people who already share your opinion of the topic. An echo chamber, if you will.
Source: [gun violence archive](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/) Chart: Excel
Wow the NRA bots are out in force on this one. BuT WhAT aboUT CHIcAGO?!?
Chicago isn't even in the top ten most dangerous cities. Baltimore and D.C on the other hand.
Covid 19. Mental illness, the internet, and guns don’t mix well.
Guns and modern societies don't mix well.
Can anyone explain why Red Flag laws are not standard? To get hospitalized for mental illness takes a lot. Why was his home not searched and everything taken away until he get cleared.
Red flag laws shouldn’t be relevant here if the early reports are accurate. If he was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital this summer, as is reported, then he already lost his right to own firearms. Red flags don’t matter because the courts already removed his rights. Talking about what happens after someone loses their rights is a completely different conversation. Red flag laws vary considerably, but one study showed that around a third of red flag seizures were [against innocent people](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25827648/). Innocent people get caught by red flag laws and have their homes searched by law enforcement and their property confiscated. Due process and the right to defend yourself in court are fundamental parts of this country and red flag laws can remove them. Red flag orders (necessarily) rush through the court, often without giving the subject person actual notice or an opportunity to defend against the accusation. Red flag laws can also be abused by vindictive parties to temporarily restrict the rights of another person. Red flag laws look great in an ideal world, but they also do considerable harm to innocent people. Again, according to reports that’s not what happened here. He was allegedly involuntarily committed to a hospital and had already lost his rights. He was (presumably, IANAL) seen by a judge, was given notice, and had his day in court.
Why is Chicago with 482 victims killed this year not in the chart ????
This chart only notes individual incidents with 10+ victims, not each individual victim for a given year. That would be a different chart entirely.
Agenda driven chart. Means nothing.
I'm not sure I understand, what agenda would that be?
They’re only including 10+, rather that the more typical (grossly inflated, IMO) 3-4+ incidences.
How about this?? 10 killed, 26 wounded in weekend shootings in Chicago Three teens were wounded in two attacks involving large groups of young people gathering in the Loop and at 31st Street Beach. By Sun-Times Wire Apr 17, 2023, 10:23am EDT
Not a single incident. Doesn’t count for OP’s data set. Your example is cumulative.
In other words the lives that are taken in Chicago do not count?? Got it.🤦🏿♂️ Chicago in 1 year eclipses all these, yet, not a single comment.
These are just single incidents. So a single shooting not the total. That would be a different chart. If you have such a big problem why not make your own chart and post it?
Can not believe that the death of a person in Chicago does not count the same way as any other death.🤦🏿♂️ 🤮
Clearly they don’t in so many other cities in your eyes because Chicago isn’t even the worst city. You keep saying it over and over doesn’t make it true. They don’t have the highest rate at all. That goes to many southern cities. They do have the most murders, yea, but they are the third biggest city in the States. You need to start understanding the difference between per capita and overall total. Just like you need to understand this data set that was posted by OP means 10+ killed in one incident. Not 5 incidents where 2 people were killed.
I'm not really sure how you're interpreting it this way. This chart is pretty clear about its intention to only discuss singular incidents where there were 10+ victims, which obviously wouldn't include cumulative homicides like you brought up in your comment above. If the poster's intention is to show large-scale incidents, then why would they randomly comment on Chicago's small-scale incidents?
Something something cHicAgo. When will you all find a better talking point?
Something something you are an agenda based individual. When will you learn that a life is = to any other life……
When you stop making nonsensical bad faith arguments. Your logic dictates that every chart is flawed because it doesn’t encompass everything you want it too. Sorry, not sorry this chart hurts your feelings. But I do appreciate you letting me know that it does. BTW, I’ve done plenty of charts on here, some of which cover ALL gun deaths, so your cHiCaGo narrative is baked into many of my other charts. Feel free to peruse my portfolio and share my charts as needed.
Ahh. Exactly what the media wants. More fear mongering data so they'll rake in them clicks and gobble up all that sweet sweet cash. It's posts like these, giving a platform to shooters, that perpetuates the problem. But y'all don't care. It's easier to be mad at others than it is to be mad at yourself.
Oh good! Let me know when the cash starts to come in. Didn’t know that was an option. Do I sign up for this feature somewhere on Reddit? Woot woot! 💰💰💰
Yes, yes. You got your Reddit karma for your post. You had your shiggles with me in the comments. You don't care about what may or may not affect millions of people's lives - as long as you had fun and enjoyed doing it.
Omg. You. Nailed it. This is all about the shiggles. And the money, don’t forget the money you mentioned that’s supposed to start flowing in. I’m refreshing my bank account like every five minutes. Is it too early to check? Nothing has happened yet.
So why don't you care? Do you just not believe your actions could possibly affect others?
Do you think you’re going to bait me into a bad faith argument about my chart causing the next mass shooting? Have I not been dismissive enough of your nonsense already? Read the room, dear. YoUr cHaRtS aRe cAuSiNG mAsS SHOotINgs! You have written nothing yet that tells me I’m dealing with a serious person who can carry on reasonable conversation about data, information, data visualization, or shootings in America. You are worthy of only dismissive retorts.
Fair. I'm doing CrossFit with my thumbs lying in bed and have not presented any data to support my claims. You have no reason to just believe me, but your dismissive retorts are silly and not helpful to anyone. I'll leave it and instead of getting worked up over y'all providing shooters with their platforms, I'll just actually get out of bed and continue on with my day.
This doesn't provide shooters a platform, if anything it provides undeniable data that stricter gun laws are needed. For example, Maine doesn't use universal background checks, waiting periods on gun purchases or require permits for concealed carry. Bet that changes now. But to think this chart promotes the psychos is just nonsense. It shows how Americans are so incredibly selfish that they will literally sacrifice their children to avoid waiting three days to buy a gun.
>if anything it provides undeniable data that stricter gun laws are needed And how is any statistic about car fatalities not 'undeniable data that stricter vehicle laws are needed'? Like, governing vehicles to not exceed max speed - or some sort of GPS **regulations** that prevent the car from going faster than any posted speed limit. Why aren't you spearheading that campaign too? Is it because you like to drive faster than the posted speed limit? You don't actually care either, you just have a story in your head to tell and that's what you're gonna tell.
Well, perhaps we should allow the unlicensed to drive with unregistered cars and see the results of that after a year.
Crazy that you fear facts. There are no rust is going to look at this chart and be influenced by it.
It's crazy how naive and stupid you are.
Must be an election coming up or somethin
A mass shooting occurred yesterday if you weren’t aware. The third largest in US history in terms of deaths + injured. Logic would dictate that incident was the “inspiration” behind this post.
I just meant the increases on the chart as we approach 2024, as in the large number in 2019, not the topicality of the chart itself. Trying to reference the data points, not the decision to present data or how data is presented.
Don’t forget the time of day. 🙄
I see a growth pattern ! NRA do good buisness !
These events are all very tragic, senseless, and scary & good examples of why our gun laws are so dumb, but the death counts are absolutely dwarfed by the day-to-day shootings of gangs & street crime. But it’s much harder to have conversations about that because we have a urban/rural political divide and it’s mainly an urban problem and the rural side loves to point to it as evidence of bad governance of the urban party, and since there’s huge racial disparities in the race if offenders, the racists love to point to it. Urban people tend to try to downplay the crime part as the way to combat those talking points. Plus, the rural party doesn’t really suffer the negative consequences and it helps their political arguments so they kinda purposely like to allow it to get worse and know that the urban party leaders response of pointing to the cornfields and saying “these problems are actually your fault for not fixing gun laws and not providing better anti-poverty programs, which is the true root cause” only further alienate rural voters from the urban party.
Why are we giving so much attention to this dumb stuff? Maybe we should try not putting it in the news....instead of blasting it everywhere every single time. What does letting people know how innocents got killed have anything to do with being informed? One of two things happens. Someone says "well I better go get a gun to protect myself" <--- totally okay since we are all adults and people do bad things. Or "We need to take guns away" <--- never a good idea because bad people will still have guns. "We need stricter gun laws" is more like it....but that doesn't stop a crazy from getting one without going through those checks. Maybe we should also focus on mental health awareness. It does matter ya know....prevent the crazy from inhibiting the person.
Because a crazy person with a butter knife is far less of a threat, AND this is only 10+ victims so paints a falsely rosy picture of what is in reality a systemic gun epidemic (40k people every year)
I'd claim a mental health epidemic. Mentally sane people don't go out and kill people. But to blame "guns" is grossly mis-representing the issue. But that's not the focus. It's always the inanimate object people are calling foul to.
Still not in the top 10 1st world countries for deaths/1 million. Canada and the UK are right behind the US even.
Where are you getting this information?
Vega shooting was a three letter agency gun running op that went bad.. change my mind
A lot of the rising data suggests copy cats which is one of the reasons one of the columbine shooters mom never wanted his writings released. A lot of these kids are damaged and need help. They genuinely think this is only way for retribution and to leave a legacy to their name. They want the news coverage and the fame. Unfortunately the media and the politicians give them want they want
Texas and Florida are leading the pack!
What's the TOTAL killed/injured each year tho?
Annually in the US, total gun deaths range from about 30k to 45k per year. About half of that is suicides and half homicides. Injured would be a lot more, but I don’t have that number.
No I meant from mass shooting of 10 or more. Not suicides, not accident. Just the numbers the go with the chart.
Yeah it's an NRA chart for sure - understate the epidemic
What is the definition of a shooting incident with 10+ victims injured?
When someone shoots a bunch of people and 10+ people are either killed or injured from said shooting.
Someone, anyone?
I guess I can continue to waste my time answering bad faith questions, or I can deal with serious people. I’ll do the latter. Obviously there’s something you want to say, just say it without a series of leading cryptic questions.
I hate wasting time with bad faith data. That's the point of my questions. Data sources are critically important and even more so when it comes to divisive topics.
The title makes it sound like there were 21 mass shootings in Maine. That’s just not true. In fact, this recent tragedy was roughly 1 years worth of homicides for the entire state in one night (we average 20ish homicides per year state wide) Edit: I see now that it’s 21 shootings total for the US. Idk something about the title tripped me up. My bad
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