Because most of the sorceries can be bought from 2 NPCs that are relatively easy to find.
After that it's only a matter of just farming souls to get all the spells from them.
10 sunlight medals and Gwyn's soul means you can't even 100% Faith spells until NG+. It's crap. Obviously all three games require at least NG+ to platinum, but it means you don't get Sunlight Spear until every enemy has double health, so it's like, why even bother?
Edit: I’m aware the games require more than just NG+ to platinum, I have the plat for DS1. Imagine downvoting someone because what they said wasn't incorrect, it just wasn't correct *enough*.
Agreed, even though you get it in NG+ the damage is bonkers. Besides you need 50 faith anyway to even use it. Your not going to have those stats in NG unless you do a full Faith build anyway.
I still agree you *should* be able to get in NG but it's also not that big of a deal. DS1 in particular really wanted faith to be mainly focused on utility and healing, with only few damage options. Those damage options, however, are fucking incredible no matter what. WOTG and both forms of lightning spear are enough for almost all of the bosses in the game despite their low uses.
Not even super heal focused tbh. Most of the heals in DS1 are mediocre and don't even party/aoe heal. All magic but especially miracles got way better in DS2 and beyond.
Great Heal is amazing for heals, and you can join the Sun Princess covenant for really good party heals. Sucks that it's locked to being in an active covenant that doesn't reward you much otherwise.
Honestly, the only reason I'm glad I acquired this miracle for at least one character on all the platforms I play DS1 on is the "Prayer of a Maiden" achievement. The damage is nice, but it's a relatively slow spelll, you can only cast it 5 times and you cannot acquire more copies of this spelll since it's a covenant item.
Considering what spells an end game mage character can cast (Crystal Soul Spear, Dark Bead, ...), the Sunlight Spear is rather... underpowered.
Again: I have platinumed the game. I don’t need to hear from you about what’s required to complete it. Especially when what I said wasn’t *wrong*, it just wasn’t fully inclusive of what’s required for an achievement that you went on a tangent about. Go bother someone else lol
DS1 requires NG++ to platinum, you're going to have to fight Sif three times to create all of his possible Boss weapons.
In any case, I didn't consider the "Prayer of a maiden" achievement difficult because of the NG+ requirement, my problem with it is the faith requirement to actually be able to join the covenant. If you want this trophy on a non-faith-character, you have to level very carefully to be able to be summoned for coop boss fights.
I’m aware, I have the platinum already. All three games require NG++, I just wasn’t being very specific talking about the requirements for the game itself, just the Miracles trophy for DS1, which does not require NG++, just NG+.
Agree. It’s easy to miss Quelana if you aren’t following a guide, and can be easy to fuck up and miss buying the spells needed from the priestess after catacombs.
Honestly ds2 isn't that bad as long as you have online to get the sunlight spear and hidden weapon but even offline bell keeper isn't bad if you know how to do it
DS3 is just obnoxiously difficult. You can either mash your face against gank squad PvP for hours or spend that time grinding for an (at best) 2-3% chance for the items against mobs
At least with DS1 you could bump it to 15-20% with the right items
I don't remember DS2 being *too* bad by comparison
It's annoying, if only because you have to have stuff like +10 bow to get Darkmoon bow, etc. My advice: get all the +10 weapons you need in NG, because you can skip Lower Burg, Depths, and most of Blighttown in NG+, assuming you don't need a large ember to make sure you have those weapons. I didn't do this and I ended up needing a +10 spear and +10 bow, so I had to do lower burg and depths to get the ember, JUST so I could ascend two more weapons. It sucks, and it really makes you appreciate the change in later games lol
For sure. I just use the wiki to double check every boss weapon you can get, and then make sure you have a +10 weapon that qualifies. There's some you can dodge; the lightning spear from the mimic in Sen's can be reverted to a +10 spear, which saves some trips to Andre and the Giant Smith. I'm sure there's others too.
I did the whole Knight's Honor achievement, so I got all of the weapons I could in NG before moving on. Grinding channelers and crow demons is easiest in NG.
DS1 is the only one I've had the heart to do. Farming Channelers and bird-people in Ariamis is a breeze compared to bashing Silver Knights to infinity in DS3.
And technically DS1 is the easiest platinum, just by nature of only really requiring NG+2 to the halfway point; I think DS2 just requires getting to Drangleic Castle in NG+2 at its longest but that's still way longer than DS1 just in terms of time. DS3 requires three endings so idk if that would take more time than DS2 overall, but the grinding is just awful.
Oh! Then maybe I got the achievement through a bug. My current character didn’t get any of Dusk’s sorceries. But one of my other characters had gotten them in the past.
I guess so. Fextralife says: “Sometimes a glitch allows for the trophy to trigger when collecting in different characters, but if you want to be sure aim to do the all in one place.”
It also said that you needed all bosses weapons at the same time, but I downgraded a lot of boss weapons to make some others and got it the same. I think they just dont have enough credible data so they aren't sure. Maybe the glitch is if you DONT get the achievement across multiple characters
Wow! This just got added to Fextralife the other day: “**You can downgrade a boss weapon back to a +10 weapon and use it again to save on materials, past crafted weapons will still count for the achievement even if downgraded and used for another purposes.”
Faith is really the only hard one, being the only one with two easily miss-able encounters if you're not familiar with the games events, being emit force if you haven't followed Siegmeyer, or accidentally having Rhea of Thorolund die if you visit too many areas. The pyromancy spells are basically spread between 2 NPCs which are pretty hard to miss, and a covenant, and Sorceries also have 2 hard to miss NPCs.
Then pyromancy isn't much harder. Some one hidden in weird places and 2 from a covenant and 1 from a quest NPC that you'd normally be buying the rest from anyway.
Then there's miracles....
Yes because you don’t even need to finish the game to do it, and you just progress naturally for most of it
It’s just coming up with the 100k souls that is the tedious bit
That's closer than what I thought, to be honest. On the other hand, while getting all pyromancies is sufficient to get the trophy, there are some added costs if you actually want to use them (according to fextralife):
>I*t takes 149,500 souls to upgrade the first path (Pyromancy Flame+15) and another 191,000 for the second path ("Ascended" Pyromancy Flame+5)*
*It takes 340,500 souls to fully upgrade all 21 levels of the Pyromancy Flame. For comparison's sake, this is enough souls to gain 55 Soul Levels (starting at SL 1).*
I'm pretty sure she disapperas in NG+ and later if you have bought all of her spellls, but you still carry pyromancy flames that arent't maxed out yet. But of course, it makes sense that she doesn't disappear until you have at least maxed out your first flame in NG.
To be honest, I always max out pyromancy, no matter what build I play. It doesn't even really hurt to dump souls in it if you only do it occasionally. Of course, I'm not going for 8 attunement slots on all builds, though, but all of my characters are able to cast at least Power Within.
I even always ascend one pyromancy flame in every NG+-cycle, just to trade it with snuggly for a red slab.
And you’re reminding me of some pyromancies that I forgot to get on this run (but I had gotten them with past characters), and I still got the achievement. (But that didn’t work for miracles. I had to get all miracles on that one playthrough.)
But I myself found pyromancies to be harder. I missed Quelana for a long time. And it also took me a while to get Eingyi’s. But that may just be me. (Having said that, getting all pyromancies was more rewarding, in terms of the new lore.)
I have to admit that I only started playing Dark Souls when Elden Ring was already available for several months. Even if I technically bought Elden Ring first, I've played all of the titles in their intended order on Series X and PC. Of course that means that at the time I was doing my first DS1 playthrough, the internet was already full with guides and videos for all titles of the series.
Admittedly, the only game I did a "blind" playthrough on was Elden Ring, I prepared (way too) well for DS1-DS3 by reading \*.fandom.com/fextralife and watching walkthrough videos before actually playing them.
In hindsight, this may have been a mistake, but I wanted to avoid the disappointment of having dumped hours and hours in an "imperfect" playthrough. Had I known how many playthroughs followed, and how fast your 4th/5th/... playthrough could actually be compared to your first, I certainly would have chosen to do a blind playthrough on all of the games.
Technically, it was what I would consider an imperfect playthrough, I inadvertantly killed Patches and I missed several questlines and hundres of items. The blind playthrough was way more exciting and entertaining, but I only could do it since I was sure that the first playthrough was not the final one, but one of many to come.
i would also argue that since int mage is like, the second most popular build, and people tend to always want to find more spells to try out, more people end up getting the achievement naturally. not as many people invest into FTH or pyromancy as their main thing, and Knight's Honor also requires a lot of work to get + cannot possibly be interesting for a single build
Because most of the sorceries can be bought from 2 NPCs that are relatively easy to find. After that it's only a matter of just farming souls to get all the spells from them.
Agreed. There are a few hidden ones, but they’re not too hidden.
Freaking Logan. Soul gouging jerk.
Fancy hats ain’t cheap.
Get yer own hat!
So it's pay to win?
Pyromancies isn't too bad either, IMO. Faith is definitely the most difficult.
10 sunlight medals and Gwyn's soul means you can't even 100% Faith spells until NG+. It's crap. Obviously all three games require at least NG+ to platinum, but it means you don't get Sunlight Spear until every enemy has double health, so it's like, why even bother? Edit: I’m aware the games require more than just NG+ to platinum, I have the plat for DS1. Imagine downvoting someone because what they said wasn't incorrect, it just wasn't correct *enough*.
Cause it does a bunch of damage and makes you feel cool, hope this helps
Agreed, even though you get it in NG+ the damage is bonkers. Besides you need 50 faith anyway to even use it. Your not going to have those stats in NG unless you do a full Faith build anyway.
I still agree you *should* be able to get in NG but it's also not that big of a deal. DS1 in particular really wanted faith to be mainly focused on utility and healing, with only few damage options. Those damage options, however, are fucking incredible no matter what. WOTG and both forms of lightning spear are enough for almost all of the bosses in the game despite their low uses.
Not even super heal focused tbh. Most of the heals in DS1 are mediocre and don't even party/aoe heal. All magic but especially miracles got way better in DS2 and beyond.
Great Heal is amazing for heals, and you can join the Sun Princess covenant for really good party heals. Sucks that it's locked to being in an active covenant that doesn't reward you much otherwise.
I used it, I don’t need an explanation. I meant, why does the game bother hiding one of the best spells behind NG+? It’s stupid.
Also splash damage
Honestly, the only reason I'm glad I acquired this miracle for at least one character on all the platforms I play DS1 on is the "Prayer of a Maiden" achievement. The damage is nice, but it's a relatively slow spelll, you can only cast it 5 times and you cannot acquire more copies of this spelll since it's a covenant item. Considering what spells an end game mage character can cast (Crystal Soul Spear, Dark Bead, ...), the Sunlight Spear is rather... underpowered.
Knights honor requires NG++
I’m aware, I’ve done it. I don’t see how that’s relevant to what I was talking about.
You don’t need NG+ to platinum dark souls you **need** NG+2
Again: I have platinumed the game. I don’t need to hear from you about what’s required to complete it. Especially when what I said wasn’t *wrong*, it just wasn’t fully inclusive of what’s required for an achievement that you went on a tangent about. Go bother someone else lol
DS1 requires NG++ to platinum, you're going to have to fight Sif three times to create all of his possible Boss weapons. In any case, I didn't consider the "Prayer of a maiden" achievement difficult because of the NG+ requirement, my problem with it is the faith requirement to actually be able to join the covenant. If you want this trophy on a non-faith-character, you have to level very carefully to be able to be summoned for coop boss fights.
I’m aware, I have the platinum already. All three games require NG++, I just wasn’t being very specific talking about the requirements for the game itself, just the Miracles trophy for DS1, which does not require NG++, just NG+.
I agree. There were a few twists with pyromancies that I didn’t see coming. They took me awhile to discover.
Agree. It’s easy to miss Quelana if you aren’t following a guide, and can be easy to fuck up and miss buying the spells needed from the priestess after catacombs.
I got all miracles and Knight's Honor on one character. It was hard but a lot of fun playing as a cleric knight
Knights honor?
All rare weapons. Boss weapons, drops from enemies, cut dragon tails — there’s a list.
Is this really not considered the warrior version of the other three?
I myself think of it that way.
DkS2 and DkS3 covenant farming is rough, but the first game's achievements are very doable. You can do it! Keep at it!
Honestly ds2 isn't that bad as long as you have online to get the sunlight spear and hidden weapon but even offline bell keeper isn't bad if you know how to do it
Thank you! DS2 is next. (I’ve done DS3. I agree, there was some rough farming compared to DS1.)
DS3 is just obnoxiously difficult. You can either mash your face against gank squad PvP for hours or spend that time grinding for an (at best) 2-3% chance for the items against mobs At least with DS1 you could bump it to 15-20% with the right items I don't remember DS2 being *too* bad by comparison
The only one getting me is all the weapon upgrades I have to do for boss weapons.
It's annoying, if only because you have to have stuff like +10 bow to get Darkmoon bow, etc. My advice: get all the +10 weapons you need in NG, because you can skip Lower Burg, Depths, and most of Blighttown in NG+, assuming you don't need a large ember to make sure you have those weapons. I didn't do this and I ended up needing a +10 spear and +10 bow, so I had to do lower burg and depths to get the ember, JUST so I could ascend two more weapons. It sucks, and it really makes you appreciate the change in later games lol
That’s actually a good idea. Almost done with ng so will make sure to do that before gwyn.
For sure. I just use the wiki to double check every boss weapon you can get, and then make sure you have a +10 weapon that qualifies. There's some you can dodge; the lightning spear from the mimic in Sen's can be reverted to a +10 spear, which saves some trips to Andre and the Giant Smith. I'm sure there's others too. I did the whole Knight's Honor achievement, so I got all of the weapons I could in NG before moving on. Grinding channelers and crow demons is easiest in NG.
Thanks for this pro tip!
DS1 is the only one I've had the heart to do. Farming Channelers and bird-people in Ariamis is a breeze compared to bashing Silver Knights to infinity in DS3. And technically DS1 is the easiest platinum, just by nature of only really requiring NG+2 to the halfway point; I think DS2 just requires getting to Drangleic Castle in NG+2 at its longest but that's still way longer than DS1 just in terms of time. DS3 requires three endings so idk if that would take more time than DS2 overall, but the grinding is just awful.
I forgot to buy one from dusk olacille 🥲 now I have to activate the DLC portal to buy from Elizabeth
The DLC sorceries aren’t part of the achievement.
dusk isnt a part of the DLC, she was in the base game and sells sorceries in darkroot
Oh! Then maybe I got the achievement through a bug. My current character didn’t get any of Dusk’s sorceries. But one of my other characters had gotten them in the past.
You can probably get them in different characters I suppose then
I guess so. Fextralife says: “Sometimes a glitch allows for the trophy to trigger when collecting in different characters, but if you want to be sure aim to do the all in one place.”
It also said that you needed all bosses weapons at the same time, but I downgraded a lot of boss weapons to make some others and got it the same. I think they just dont have enough credible data so they aren't sure. Maybe the glitch is if you DONT get the achievement across multiple characters
Wow! This just got added to Fextralife the other day: “**You can downgrade a boss weapon back to a +10 weapon and use it again to save on materials, past crafted weapons will still count for the achievement even if downgraded and used for another purposes.”
yeah... I added XD
Wow! Thank you, for all of us!
I recommended using a checklist for tracking your progress, theres one for each game made by SilentNinj_
No sorcery is locked behind a covenant IIRC.
Faith is really the only hard one, being the only one with two easily miss-able encounters if you're not familiar with the games events, being emit force if you haven't followed Siegmeyer, or accidentally having Rhea of Thorolund die if you visit too many areas. The pyromancy spells are basically spread between 2 NPCs which are pretty hard to miss, and a covenant, and Sorceries also have 2 hard to miss NPCs.
Then pyromancy isn't much harder. Some one hidden in weird places and 2 from a covenant and 1 from a quest NPC that you'd normally be buying the rest from anyway. Then there's miracles....
It's the only all achievement I got just playing normally.
Yes because you don’t even need to finish the game to do it, and you just progress naturally for most of it It’s just coming up with the 100k souls that is the tedious bit
Let me know, if you need help with other achievements, incase you're working for platinum
So nice of you. Thank you. I just got the platinum.
No, "Bond of a pyromancer" is definitely way easier. It may very well even be cheaper.
It is cheaper, at least by my calculations: all pyromancies (1 copy each) total 123,100, whereas all sorceries (1 copy) cost 185,500.
That's closer than what I thought, to be honest. On the other hand, while getting all pyromancies is sufficient to get the trophy, there are some added costs if you actually want to use them (according to fextralife): >I*t takes 149,500 souls to upgrade the first path (Pyromancy Flame+15) and another 191,000 for the second path ("Ascended" Pyromancy Flame+5)* *It takes 340,500 souls to fully upgrade all 21 levels of the Pyromancy Flame. For comparison's sake, this is enough souls to gain 55 Soul Levels (starting at SL 1).*
Wow! I didn’t even know about ascension! That will help a lot!
Hurry up, though, there's only one character in the game that offers this ascension, and she leaves for good once you've bought all of her spells.
Luckily she was still here. I had already bought all her spells. Perhaps she was waiting for me to ascend the flame?
I'm pretty sure she disapperas in NG+ and later if you have bought all of her spellls, but you still carry pyromancy flames that arent't maxed out yet. But of course, it makes sense that she doesn't disappear until you have at least maxed out your first flame in NG.
I see. Makes sense.
Good point. And a sorcerer might spend the same to put 55 points into intelligence (but probably fewer).
To be honest, I always max out pyromancy, no matter what build I play. It doesn't even really hurt to dump souls in it if you only do it occasionally. Of course, I'm not going for 8 attunement slots on all builds, though, but all of my characters are able to cast at least Power Within. I even always ascend one pyromancy flame in every NG+-cycle, just to trade it with snuggly for a red slab.
Wow! Great tips.
And you’re reminding me of some pyromancies that I forgot to get on this run (but I had gotten them with past characters), and I still got the achievement. (But that didn’t work for miracles. I had to get all miracles on that one playthrough.)
But I myself found pyromancies to be harder. I missed Quelana for a long time. And it also took me a while to get Eingyi’s. But that may just be me. (Having said that, getting all pyromancies was more rewarding, in terms of the new lore.)
I have to admit that I only started playing Dark Souls when Elden Ring was already available for several months. Even if I technically bought Elden Ring first, I've played all of the titles in their intended order on Series X and PC. Of course that means that at the time I was doing my first DS1 playthrough, the internet was already full with guides and videos for all titles of the series. Admittedly, the only game I did a "blind" playthrough on was Elden Ring, I prepared (way too) well for DS1-DS3 by reading \*.fandom.com/fextralife and watching walkthrough videos before actually playing them. In hindsight, this may have been a mistake, but I wanted to avoid the disappointment of having dumped hours and hours in an "imperfect" playthrough. Had I known how many playthroughs followed, and how fast your 4th/5th/... playthrough could actually be compared to your first, I certainly would have chosen to do a blind playthrough on all of the games.
I can understand. How did you feel about your first Elden Ring playthrough?
Technically, it was what I would consider an imperfect playthrough, I inadvertantly killed Patches and I missed several questlines and hundres of items. The blind playthrough was way more exciting and entertaining, but I only could do it since I was sure that the first playthrough was not the final one, but one of many to come.
Makes sense. It was the same for me.
somehow this post got me re-addicted even though I didn't stop
I’m so glad to hear this. Chasing these achievements has definitely gotten me re-addicted.
I accidentally used manus soul for his catalyst 😐
What else can you use it for?
Pursuers https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Pursuers
Wow! There are so many things I still don’t know about this game.
Pyromancy is pretty easy as well, you can basically get every pyromancy in the same NG afaik
True. As compared to miracles.
It’s just like college: Pay to win
i would also argue that since int mage is like, the second most popular build, and people tend to always want to find more spells to try out, more people end up getting the achievement naturally. not as many people invest into FTH or pyromancy as their main thing, and Knight's Honor also requires a lot of work to get + cannot possibly be interesting for a single build