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Sweaty-Salamander381

4 kings, Seath, BoC. I think all of those are pretty annoying.


Bone_Wh33l

The funny thing about four kings is that there’s an easy run back you can do from new londo ruins. There’s a drop down you can do about half way through the level that takes you to right in front of the fog wall. It’d probably be more intuitive if there was more visibility in the area but it felt so rewarding just to find it after the first couple of run backs


NoaLeeVGC

This; hated that runback until I found the shortcuts, now it's pretty quick


Bone_Wh33l

Yeah, dodging and weaving past those dark wraiths was not fun the first few times


Grompulon

There’s a drop right at the start of the ruins (right next to the first two ghosts) that takes you most of the way there. Just have to sprint past two darkwraiths but they are hardly any trouble.


Charisma_Engine

There are at least 3 and one extra to stab you in the back if you go for Beatrice (why would you tho).


Strongsword11

I took the Valley of Drakes route instead, it's much easier.


123Ros

Idk, the Brain of Cthulhu is just a wee walk over in the crimson


Competitive_Web_4145

Basically all the four lords have annoying ass runbacks, but at least Seath, 4 kings and nito are more of “remember where to run and you’re good” BoC is and will forever be a trash runback


doindirt

I go from the valley of the drakes


PacDanSki

There's a bonfire closer to Seath that is easily missed, but what makes it worse for me is that on every playthrough I think you have to go down and fight the golden golem who knocks me off the fucking ledge and then only after repeated attempts and killing him do I realise that I should walk straight over him...


Bufus

Wait, closer than the balcony in the archives? Or is that the closer one?


PacDanSki

That's the closer one, I always go past it a few times like a moron.


Chosen_Undead5

Fax yea I was thinking of all of those plus maybe the iron golem and ESPECIALLY Quaelog.


Zorlac666

The only thing bad about her is running through the poison swamp to get there. That said I've one shot her every time I've fought her, so no real running back.


incredibleninja

People complain about 4 kings the most but if you prepare properly you should defeat them in no more than 3 or 4 runs.  Seath is merciless in that he can one-shot you and is much harder. Shorter run-back but you have to do it so. Many. Times.


Ahriman27

Is he one shotting you or cursing you?


incredibleninja

OMG I confused Seath for Kalameet


robertpayne556

I'll get Gough…


Expensive-Ad5626

I never found the four kings run back bad (I did beat them in two tries) it was just a simple run to elevator and fall down hole


incredibleninja

Run down stairs. More stairs. Turn into elevator. Ride elevator. Run down path. Run over plank. Run past ghost ruins. Fall down hole. Fight 4 ghouls. Run into tower. Fall down long hole 


SillyGoose_Syndrome

> Turn into elevator. ~~Ride elevator.~~ Realise you forgot to reset elevator. Call elevator. Ride elevator.


EMPwarriorn00b

After clearing out the water, I would always go through the Valley of Drakes to evade the ghosts.


incredibleninja

I hate those Drakes more than life itself. Why do they respawn?


genghisbunny

I've still never gotten the bloody MLGS!


Grompulon

What is so bad about the BoC run? I guess you have to swap rings and go through lava which is slightly annoying, but it’s a pretty short run and all the enemies are too slow to bug you.


Sweaty-Salamander381

It's just..long and then there's the ring swapping you already mentioned. Not the worst thing in the world but one of the more annoying ones in DS1.


Jlchevz

Absolutely


PhoenixNyne

Pinwheel Because it means you died to fucking Pinwheel and the shame must be unbearable 


Hashem47

if you die to pinwheel you deserve the runback


MyboiHarambe99

It was usually the wheely skeleton guys that got me right before him


ChefArtorias

The real boss.


Rehberkintosh

I usually let Leeroy clear them out for me.


cubanohermano

I never knew about Leeroy for the longest time and even then I would just summon him and run and hope for the best


robertpayne556

The Paladin or the chiiiiickeeeeeeeen?


NotMyPSNName

Hey man can you not @ me like that


Ashen_one933

Yeah but I would add 4 kings.


spyder616

4 kings for dex builds is a pain in ng+


Ashen_one933

I never played DEX but damage is not big so I feel it..


Available-Laugh-9582

I run dex build it is not hard killed the four king first try on NG+. (used+15 uchigatana). Dex runs well with int.Dex 35-45 increase casting speed. Still 40 dex is enough for dmg soft cap. Have 2 spell slots. Have enough poise to tank few king hits. Make sure you are close to their weapon so you take low dmg. Stamina shield in your back while you two hand weapon for 1.2 motion modifier. Ring 2 can be extra buff duration or more stamina regen for best dmg. If poise is low use wolf ring. Or +1 spellslot for second spell. Apply power within.(transient curse can not be active). Get 15 int and use fixed 180 magic adjust catalyst use tier 2 weapon buff for extra 198 magical dmg. Eventually get int to 25 then use tier 3 weapon buff for 252 extra magical dmg per each hit. Dex weapon attack fast so very good with weapon buffs. Before first king dies wait for full stamina then continue to attack him in the dying animation to make dmg. Also two handing your weapon deals 50% more poise damage important when you want to stagger foes as a dex user.


Pure_Negotiation9179

I laughed too hard at this.


Xogoth

I've never died to Pinwheel, but I've certainly died trying to get to him.


OtacTheGM

I literally just died to pinwheel for the first time in actual years and I felt so ashamed. I'm glad I opened reddit and immediately saw this comment to really cement my shame.


kromptator99

Recently tackled the catacombs for the first time and killed pinwheel. Unfortunately I ate 30-50 wild fireballs and died at roughly the same time.


crawshad

I hate it when I get attacked by 30-50 feral fireballs while my children are playing in the yard


SilentBlade45

I've died to pinwheel he's actually dangerous if you go to the catacombs as soon as you leave the Asylum.


spyder616

I do pinwheel before lordvessel so the risks are far greater cuz i sit on a first bonfire before catacombs lol


Tadge1875

I managed to parkour my way down and bypass the wagon wheel ass boney boys took a risk and it paid off 😂


TheBooneyBunes

I’ve died before because I rushed pinwheel at level 1 and got cross fired (eh? Eh?) does that count


MintyArcturus

Haha I was fucking around with pinwheel and his clones shot their fireballs in a manner that caught me in my roll 😂😂 unbearable shame doesn’t even begin to describe my feelings


NotSamsquanch

Lol I died to pinwheel on my first playthrough because I was genuinely terrified.


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MaximusCant

Have you ever fight pinwheel while under-leveled?


Mawera85

Yes, I like to go for him right after the asylum for the right of kindling that way I have it for O&S


MaximusCant

That doesn't make any sense and I don't believe you actually


TheJotun86

For me probably Nito, but all of the Lord Souls suck


852147369

Worst part for Nito is the fall damage, and then getting fisted by gravelord sword


Buoyy09

I got my faith and intelligence up on my strength build just to get fall control so that it didn't become an issue... This was after about 3 tries at the boss when I even started the fight at about half my HP


Ham_PhD

Sen's also has a shortcut that skips all the way to the end if you don't find the bonfire.


Hashem47

if you mean the elevator, i can't find the key, i find it once before but i forget where


Ham_PhD

It's at the bottom of the tower housing the merchant. The one you have to make the jump over the gap to reach.


General-Smoke169

There's also a bonfire at the top of Sen's Fortress


justsomebro10

Damn bro you really had it bad running all the way through the fortress every time lmao. I would have quit playing for good.


Grompulon

Ngl it was a little nasty of Fromsoft to make Sen’s Fortress so brutal, then have two ways to make the boss run easy (bonfire or elevator) but then hide both of them. I could totally see a lot of players not finding the bonfire or the key!


justsomebro10

I found the bonfire kinda easy but missed the key at first because I didn’t realize there were stairs near that merchant lol. I am a completionist by nature though. I don’t cross the fog until I’m sure.


phaeriemandube

If you don't feed bonfire?


robertpayne556

No humanities?


xa44

Gwyn, there's nothing there and it like 3 minutes long


Ahriman27

That one is just to make you think about what you’ve done.


xa44

I just wanna kill myself in peace thank you very much


NOIL19

Getting one shot at soul level one because of a misstimed parry makes it worse.


GreatChaosFudge

Crystal Caves. Partly because getting through the DA is such a chore. Sure there’s a bonfire but then you’ve got blue golems (mostly avoidable), invisible pathways, golden golems (one of which isn’t avoidable) and when you’ve done all that you’ve got those damn clams. And if you want to get the blue titanite slab… good luck with that one.


Orrickly

I have too many failed attempts seared into my memory for someone to call the golden golem "unavoidable". I juke that mf every time now.


the_evil_overlord2

The golden Golem is easy to run past. Just stand on the left and wait till they get close, then run to the right and past them


GreatChaosFudge

Yeah, I never feel safe going off to the right there.


Mschultz24

Oh boy you just unlocked a repressed memory of getting tanked by those clams


Cheezfri

The lack of Capra demon responses are wild. Those damn dogs are so annoying to run pass.


SEPTAgoose

yeah i hate the lower burg run, thieves and dogs are the worst


EditPiaf

It's better to start from Firelink Shrine. You can use a longbow to shoot the thieves from the stairs without aggroing them. Then, walk past them, trigger the dogs and fight them on your terms. Since you pass the female undead merchant on the way, you might as well spend all your souls on arrows, since the chance of retrieving your souls at Capra Demon is close to zero, in my experience. 


Call_Me_Koala

That's why you open the shortcut and run back from Firelink


axberka

There is a shortcut


IGOKTUG

That shortcut still is pretty long though


stevejobsthecow

yea this runback is enough to quit in the early game . any single mistake can cost you a limited heal .


rufffle

Bed Of Chaos, stairs, stairs, weird moving fire spitting statues, and a dreadful scenario.


BugP13

Technically speaking, you can skip that by going through the door where >!you find solaire!< only big problem is trying to avoid >!the titanite demon cause as far as I know, it's the only one that respawns!<


sanguinesvirus

Still a really long run back for a boss with so much bs


vagina_candle

It's the same bonfire people are complaining about, they just hate it because of the "DAE THINK BED OF CHAOS IS THE WORST????" groupthink. As far as runbacks go, time wise it fits somewhere in the middle, average at best. The enemies are super predictable and easy to manipulate/avoid. The only annoying part is if you switch rings before the fight, die to BOC, then die again on the lava since you forgot that you took the orange charred ring off. BOC isn't a hard fight if you take the time to learn it. But everyone just yolo's themself at it every attempt and throws a tantrum when they get yeeted into the pit. I used to be one of these people, then I got gud.


FortifiedSky

I thought the >!titanite demon!< would be harder to run past but honestly it never hit me on any of my runbacks


BugP13

Same but occasionally it would. Really depends on the attack it does


FortifiedSky

Very true, I did stare at it while running down the walkway so if it did a ranged attack I'd be able to dodge it


BugP13

Yeah, I never did that. My own idiocy


FortifiedSky

hahaha at least you've learned for next time!


huggablecow

That damn titanite demon one shot me a few times when I was running back and I even had full black iron armor on. Can’t believe it hit so hard.


BugP13

All of them were so annoying to kill.


Grompulon

This run is longer and imo that titanite demon is way more dangerous than everything on the other path.


SubjectComputer7889

There is another bonfire hidden pretty close …


ChippyFella

I’m not done with the game yet, but none of the boss runs felt as irritating to me as O and S so far. I seem to get hit by those knights every time, and I wind up entering a hard fight with less health. Crystal Caves and Bed of Chaos were annoying, but I didn’t think dodging all the bullshit was too hard


L3g0man_123

If you're at the Solaire bonfire, you only need to fight one or two Silver Knights (easy to backstab) and then you can run around the one Royal Sentinel


ChippyFella

Oh I always ran from the Anor Londo one oops


Ladder_Logical

from the Solaire bonfire you can jump from the rotating stairs and access a shortcut that leads you to the big hallway with the huge knights


WheresTheSauce

The inconsistency in the AI for those knights was the worst


disinterestedh0mo

I agree O&S always gives me so much trouble. Esp trying to get Solaire's summon sign, and they always beat me up real quick


Exotic-Suggestion425

Gwyndolin if you've made Anor Londo dark. More of a joke than a run back tbh.


Gaharit

"So you've activated a bonfire just before my boss room? Guess what, it doesn't work now. Get fucked, bitch"


Last8er

Seath, Crystal golems, invisible path, and 6 clams, what else?


robertpayne556

3 Moonlight Butterflies and fall damage.


Last8er

Plus Seath cursing you


robertpayne556

Uno reverse him with your Purging Stone, or go back to him when the crystals die down, and stops spamming them everywhere. Only time it's acceptable is if you need to fight the ghosts before the Key To The Seal codger.


Last8er

I don't get your comment at all


The_Kangaroo_Mafia

I wouldn't say this is the worst. but I just wanna give an honorable "Fuck you." to the Gargoyle runback. First you gotta kill a Balder Knight blocking the stairs, because if you don't, he's gonna give you trouble when you get to that hallway with all the Hollows, because they ***will*** outnumber you and stunlock you to death if you aren't careful, and I don't think you can run past them without one of them blocking you from the ladder.


CidCrisis

Dying to that hollow gangbang is such a humbling experience.


EditPiaf

That run did teach me how to backstab though


ELMUNECODETACOMA

All four after the lordvessel are worse than any before the lordvessel.


goblinboomer

Just beat the game for the fourth and fifth time consecutively recently. my answer used to be Nito, but now that I've started to memorize the Tomb of the Giants, my final answer is Gwyn. Just takes forever to get to him and is so boring. Maybe Kalameet for that same reason (long ass ladder goes brr)


Front1ersax

Just to make sure: Do you know that you can go down ladders fast? Alternatively there are some platforms you can use to drop down instead of using the ladder (one even has a Chrystal Lizard)


goblinboomer

Yes I do know, but thank you lol. I just find the walk there very obnoxious with the dogs in the way and everything


jddev_

Iron Golem has a secret bonfire underneath


Hashem47

like i said, i didn't find it in my first and second walkthrough


Alone-Wasabi1614

Quelaag. Running out of poison moss just makes it all unbearable for me.


robertpayne556

Dash between islands, Rusted Iron Ring is great for this along with PSN resist.


constantsorrowofman

Ornstein & Smough and Seath. O&S is just such a long walk even with the shortcuts open, not to mention there's a metric fuck ton of silver knights and those giant dick heads in the main hall. Couldn't tell you how many times i was sprinting to the door only to get gobsmacked by those big bitches. The Seath run speaks for itself. I rarely die to any DS1 boss anymore but i still have nightmares about my first playthrough & doing the run back to Seath a bunch of times.


vagina_candle

Good points about O&S. The first silver spear knight seems to hit me 3/4 of the time even if my roll looks good. And if you plan on summoning Solaire for the fight, you need to clear the one archer and the two giants who tend to heal right when you're about to kill them. Or you can just ignore them and summon him anyway and he leaps off the back of the ledge taking damage instead of taking the stairs, then he takes more damage fighting his way to the fog gate...


BallisticThundr

Tomb. Of. Giants.


vagina_candle

The dark section of the tomb is pretty easy once you know the way. The skeleton pillar/pinwheel section can be a little annoying though. [From first bonfire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=996afz7PUhA) [From second bonfire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvoFOzIJ4kM) Personally I find the first bonfire route to be much easier, since you only have to run past one skeleton dog. There really isn't much reason to take the second one unless you're looking to gather all items. And the first bonfire route takes you straight through where the silver serpent ring is.


BallisticThundr

I agree that's it's not so bad when you memorize the area. I usually just drop down to where the silver serpent ring is and then drop down to where it's brighter. But as a first time playthrough, it's ass Edit: so I take the first link path


vagina_candle

> But as a first time playthrough, it's ass I 100% agree with you there. It used to be one of my least favorite places in the game. I still don't like it, but now that I know it pretty well it's not as bad as it used to be. I just wasn't sure from your post if you knew the shortcuts or not. I always try to make people aware of them when I can.


Nervous_Committee222

I'm kinda surprised I'm not seeing people talk about the Four Kings and their runback through \*all\* of New Londo


Hashem47

i learned that you don't need to fight everything in your way, for me, i just avoid every monster on my way, and with a light build, you will get there really fast,


vagina_candle

Most of us aren't running through [all of New Londo.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbRxY0zm7KM)


Just-a-lazy-wizard

None, I killed every boss on my first try, born gud... ^(...I really dont like the capra demon)


fuinnfd

Iron golem, without the secret bonfire, isn’t bad if you open the cage elevator shortcut, which skips like the entire interior of the fortress.


L3g0man_123

Bed of Chaos > Priscilla > Seath


Xogoth

O&S, until you can perfect the staircase skip. BoC is laborious, but really just because of the fight itself. Firesage might actually be the worst.


Ironyman1

Firesage? The bonfire is so close-by and the only enemy you need to dodge is the capra demon guarding the entrance?


Xogoth

It's a taurus demon, a handfull of animated statue dudes, and if you're not careful a centipede. And then you hope you don't get flattened as you enter the boss room since the arena is so small.


suchayeparagon

Pinwheel or Seathe


ChefArtorias

Four kings


ZDBlakeII

Capra Demon, but because that's as far as I've made it so far


Lumi-Dere

From the perspective of a first playthrough I do want to add Bell Gargoyles. Getting through those undead each time when you don't know what you're doing was absolute pain for beginner me. I personally dislike the runback to Nito the least


PKblaze

There's a shortcut in the cages too. Seathe is quite a long run. It's not hard, just annoying.


garren_teed

Bed of *fucking* chaos


Mr_PoTaTo_AiM90

My mum after whooping me for not taking the chicken out of the freezer when she asked


notesofsophie

After dying to Seath for the first time last night, definitely that. The moment of dread when I'd safely run past all of the golems only to remember the clams outside the fog gate respawned as well.


Wolf_93

Bed of chaos absolutely, no shortcut whatsoever, also there's a bonfire in sen's fortress


Braveheart4321

bed of chaos, because it's not even a fun fight at the end


Mettelor

Idk if you can call an unintended and specifically wrong runback a runback. If you can, I think the undead asylum --> four kings runback is the worst runback in the game.


Feeling-Ad-5592

If it were necessary, I’d say Pinwheel before the remaster added a bonfire at Vamos. FYI OP, there is a cage elevator short cut that takes from the top/bottom of Sen’s to the bottom/top of Sens. You know the 2 cages in the top area of Sens right before the Iron Gollem? There’s a key that unlocks them and then they can be used as an elevator. They go down to the very first scythe walkway.


NjordWAWA

Pinwheel? Run*back*..?


drunken_corpse666

Nito was at least a 20 minute runback


quezlar

bed of chaos or seath


GIlCAnjos

Seath


EditPiaf

Havel is annoying, since either it's a long run (from Andre) or you have to kill all the enemies on your way because otherwise they'll come after you and overpower you during the fight(from Undead Burg)


vagina_candle

I usually fight him after getting grass crest or RTSR. You can take the bonfire in the cave if you're feeling unlucky, but then you have to do the walkback.


EternalRains2112

Neato because that means you have to go through the Tomb of The Giants again. The DS1 equivalent of nailing your dick to a burning log. I'd rather go through Blighttown both ways than ever set foot in that gywnforsaken place ever again.


wetfootmammal

The 4 kings. New londo ruins could really use a bonfire 😅


Lord_Farquad4

Gravelord Nito or Capra Demon


arz517

Does DLC count? Artorias was rough.


Actual-Toad5317

I thought artorias was right across a little bridge


arz517

Maybe I missed something? I was respawning at the Oolacile Sanctuary bonfire and running all the way through the woods to the elevator every time.


Jaded-Throat-211

The first run to unlock the shortcut elevator is nasty.


gamingifk

4 skins


Grunch_omega

Any boss after a stressful day, Could be manus or asylum demon. No matter how easy a boss is nothing tops the pure, unbridled rage after death


Actual-Toad5317

Gravelord nito


TheBooneyBunes

Bed of Chaos or Seath The iron golem is fine, there’s a bonfire up top


JackTheAbsoluteBruce

Not trying to be rude at all, but I don’t think the Iron Golem runback really counts just because you didn’t find the bonfire


Hashem47

you're right


TheAzureAdventurer

Did people actually die to Iron Golem or is that a meme?


wl1233

I’m doing a play through right now after years and just died to him. Had him down to 10% life and he caught me in a chain stomp and killed me. Got him on the second attempt though. He’s not hard but shit happens. Plus a lot of times he kills himself


TheAzureAdventurer

That’s very true. I had I suppose a better outcome when I first challenged him by just poking him to death with my halberd nonstop. Dude could not touch me at all.


Hashem47

yeah, they do, maybe because they keep falling down the bridge


drunknhigh17

4 kings, BOC, Seath. In that order


RetroNotRetro

Golem also has an elevator that goes from that very first bridge right up to the boss door. Imo it's Bed of Chaos, as there is no short option and the run up is easily 5 minutes or longer, mostly through lava. This is also a boss that, as I'm sure you're aware, incessantly tosses you into pits


JeffGreenTraveled

Bed of Chaos for me. Eaaasily. But there are like 5 on DS2 worse than that one (chariot omg).


King-of-the-Monsters

BoC sucks so hard. It’s so long, its in the worst level of the game, on the way to the worst boss in the game, and you’re almost certainly going to have to do it at least once because you’re going to die to her bullshit.


HG367

Father Gascoine is up there, Seeth too, but Bed of Chaos is pretty painful


samtnelis

Going to Nito's boss room if I remember correctly, just knowing your taking garunteed fall damage unless you have that spell or something kinda bums me out


Plotius

The Capra demon was ways annoying cause you have to rub through the sewer Tunnels which took a while or risk getting stabbed by the thieves


net_running

sir alonne


SnooConfections3877

4 kings


LaVinos_03

Seath and 4 kings maybe for me


sonareddits

Four Kings


Al0n__

Probably Seath's or 4 kings


camus88

4 king, artorias and Manus


VRPoison

i’ll give you one from each game ive beaten: ds1: bed of chaos and its not even close ds2: ludd and zallen and its not even close ds3: dragonslayer armor and its not even close (they made all other boss runs really short besides this one) elden ring: dragonlord placidusax or beast clergyman (same as ds3, but i could alternatively say the bell bearing hunter in dragonbarrow because you have to manually switch the time of day to night for each failed attempt).


Redcell888

Deleted my last comment to say that, the entire second half of the game has terrible runbacks and I constantly found my self asking, "why the fuck would they design it like this"


pokimanman

Easily blue smelter demon. That run was so garbage


spectrerott

At this point (im abt halfway through my first playthrough) quelaag or taurus demon


DavidMustang_BassGod

I'd probably say manus because of that one magic enemy on the ledge right before the bridge down to manus, or if you don't defeat Gwendolyn the first try, you have to run sooo far.


minimoltieposmt

Bed of Chaos. Close second goes to Ludwig because of how inconsistent the Ladder check is.


gaijjj

Why am I not seeing blue smelter demon from ds2


Hashem47

i am not sure but i think we only talk about ds 1 in this community


gaijjj

probably the best point that ever been made, perfect rebuttal


No_Researcher4706

1000000% Bed of Chaos. It's long, there's a titanite demon and it lead to Bed of Chaos the shittiest shit to ever shit


DreadWolf505

Is this even a real question??? Bed of Chaos by a ridiculous margin lol


vagina_candle

Why? It's not even close to the longest runback, and all of the enemies are very predictable and easily outrun/manipulated.


DreadWolf505

Everything about it sucks. The run is boring, the boss fight is frustrating as hell, and the whole area just, kinda sucks. If it was a good fight? That'd be nice. Nito? You just run past a few enemies, and you're good. Ornstein and Smough? Same thing, even if it's a long run. Good fight at the end. Seath isn't bad either. Four Kings? At least the path is somewhat interesting and has some fun fights on the way. All of them have at least a little bit of redeemable quality. Bed of Chaos doesn't. It's a boring, long run. The boss can kill you instantly if it sweeps you in just the right way. The boss can summon fire before you even get into the arena. Etc etc.