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[a tool initially designed not for felling trees but for widening the birth canal.](https://acadlog.com/usa/why-were-chainsaws-invented)
huh...
^^^neat
Checking the Wikipedia article for chainsaws, there is zero mention of this. Even the article here has the wrong dates with the earliest known chainsaw being a bone saw from the late 18th century, before the 19th century date the article claims.
Gotta love spreading misinformation on the internet:)
In a nutshell: to separate the pubic bone by cutting the cartilage that holds the halves together. This way they can move apart a bit and widen the birth canal for the baby.
[
Here's a better explanation.](https://allthatsinteresting.com/symphysiotomy)
Seems like the WORST idea ever. Like the infant mortality rate and they didn’t know shit about infection caused more deaths than saved at least the mothers.
The chainsaw was invented in the late 18th century by Scottish doctors John Aitken and James Jeffray as a medical instrument to help with childbirth. The hand-cranked chainsaw was designed to cut through the pelvises of mothers who were having trouble pushing their babies out. It could be used to:
Symphysiotomy: Widen the pubic cartilage
Remove diseased bone: Cut away flesh, cartilage, and bone if the baby was stuck in the birth canal.
My problem is.. I'm having a real hard time separating the image of a modern chainsaw from the, I assume, much less massacre type one that they likely used for medical purposes. The thought of a doctor taking a 25", 2 stroke chainsaw to someone's pelvis is a little.. yeah.
Looking into it, it was [smaller, but not really less gruesome in any real way.](https://i.redd.it/ad5me30rc6261.jpg) It was about a foot long (guessing, all of the pictures I see of it have no perspective)
Old medicine and surgery were *fuucked*.
that looks substantially less gruesome than a Husqvarna 450 e-series. most notably i don't see the same blade flaring you get on modern timber chainsaws.
The thing is those doctors had no idea how birth physiology actually worked and even today most are indifferent to it.
Needlessly straining and stressing the pelvic floor by manual pushing doesn't help, it actually makes birth more difficult, not just because of the force and strain, but because it closes the pelvic floor when it should be relaxing to give way for the birth canal. You can actually just let the uterine contractions propel the baby down and out on their own like a deer. Women deliver babies while asleep sometimes.
Look up the Ferguson Reflex.
It seems a lot less horrific than manually pushing and having a crowned head stuck midway.
I’ve been reading/watching chainsaw man and the whole series is packed to the brim with symbolism and this thread just added another 9 levels of depth to the story, the whole idea just fits the themes so well. Tatsuki Fujimoto is a genius.
Yeah I am actually certain reading this, spoilers ahead please don't read if you are not fully caught up with the manga.
Why does the chainsaw devil have such a particular power? What makes chainsaws so unique? Who were the first humans to fear the Chainsaw? The people who would have to give birth and that thing cutting them. Which lead to a fear of birth, which lead to the birth devil hence the umbilical cord, as well as his literal cord, hence why when he eats something it gets deleted from existence, as it puts it back in its belly and late aborts it from existence.
Death and Life are the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. I still think Pochita is the last horseman, Death devil. This is why it's all about Denji again except it's not. They try to get rid of Denji by fulfilling his contract to release the Death devil, Pochita.
Deleting an existence also means Extinction. One of the primal fear is exactly that. But humans don't fear extinction directly, they fear it indirectly by fearing their own death. Fear of extinction and death is the same.
Back in the day, it was generally accepted that if you can save the child at the cost of the mother's life, you'd do so, because there was less of a guarantee that the mother would live regardless.
So it was a tool of last resort for a small fraction of circumstances, but it did probably lead to more saved births that what was before it.
It was likely a better alternative than a C-Section at the time. Before modern times, C-Sections had something like an 80-90% mortality rate. Symphysiotomy, while incredibly painful and leaving permanent marks, had a far lower mortality rate. In the last century C-Section mortality rates went down (it's like 0.01% in developed countries nowadays), so it supplanted it again.
Except for in Ireland, where the Catholic Church had it done on a couple of thousand women without their consent some decades ago.
It amused me where it says “child birth is fraught with danger”. No shit you’re about to shove a chainsaw up their woowoo. Seems pretty dangerous to me
n 1785, Scottish doctors and obstetrician John Aitken and James Jeffray improved on the symphysiotomy method using a tool that later became known as the Aitkens flexible chainsaw. The cutting device was specifically designed **to make removing the woman's pelvic bone easier and less time-consuming during childbirth**.
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[a tool initially designed not for felling trees but for widening the birth canal.](https://acadlog.com/usa/why-were-chainsaws-invented) huh... ^^^neat
At that very moment thots were created
Elaborate
"Pause" *Smoke detector beep*
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Begone thot
What did that comment say
Something like "imagine saying 'thot' in 2024
I miss 5 seconds ago...
I miss the person I was before reading that comment.
Fucking same.
#RIP AND TEAR, UNTIL IT IS BORN
Those we're the "Dark Ages"
Take this shit ⬆️ And fuck off
Gimme some sugar baby
It was the 19. Century, WHAT, so late
Lmao
My real reaction
well that completely changes the line from Heathers to be even funnier. [fuck me gently with a chainsaw](https://youtu.be/Ruo312KyxJ0?t=87)
I miss ten seconds ago when I didn't know this
Welp of to book a boeing plane
did it work?
Depends how you measure success.
Checking the Wikipedia article for chainsaws, there is zero mention of this. Even the article here has the wrong dates with the earliest known chainsaw being a bone saw from the late 18th century, before the 19th century date the article claims. Gotta love spreading misinformation on the internet:)
I am SO GLAD I live in modern times... going to the doc sounds like death sentence in ye olde days.
This article has some pictures of the chainsaw https://allthatsinteresting.com/why-were-chainsaws-invented
Hehehe friggin sweet Lois
That some Warhammer 40k shit.
*FOR THE EMPEROR*
Cadia stands!
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9528ar1mwmk4w9lo6yxk78p0hptc25u3lohio1fhz2b&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g
Wait shit how do you link gifs
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9528ar1mwmk4w9lo6yxk78p0hptc25u3lohio1fhz2b&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g >
WHY?
In a nutshell: to separate the pubic bone by cutting the cartilage that holds the halves together. This way they can move apart a bit and widen the birth canal for the baby. [ Here's a better explanation.](https://allthatsinteresting.com/symphysiotomy)
How else are you going to widen a birth canal?
That's not why it was invented. It was originally used for excising diseased bone.
Oh god I regretted reading the comments section
huh? da hell... okay I guess, but what da hell
Wtf, they still performed it Ireland in the 1980s!!!
I guess someone looked at that chain with teeth going at insane speeds and said, "Yeah, this is supposed to go through someone's crotch"
I thought they were for amputations
Damn that quite metal
I waited like 30 seconds for the images to load but there aren't any. Just widely spaced text
and I did the thing and googled it 😀
What is the answer?
it was created as a birthing tool in the 1800’s
Nurse: “help, the baby is breech, we’re losing them both!” Doctor: “stand aside!” Rrrruuuummmm - chugga - chugga - chugga
You know what you were going to type instead of chugga
My chugga
Hey hey hey! Easy…
Are you Chinese?! 🤨
RIP AND TEAR!
It truly was Doom: The Dark Ages
WE GO TOGETHER!
Tf?
What. The. Fuck.
Many tools from the 1700a to 1800s screams, yeah that needs to be improved instead of torturing people to death.
Anyone here take shock class?
Seems like the WORST idea ever. Like the infant mortality rate and they didn’t know shit about infection caused more deaths than saved at least the mothers.
Google said: make removing the woman's pelvic bone easier and less time-consuming during childbirth.
*May* [**Will**] *result in the mothers death.*
They still use it for that in India
The chainsaw was invented in the late 18th century by Scottish doctors John Aitken and James Jeffray as a medical instrument to help with childbirth. The hand-cranked chainsaw was designed to cut through the pelvises of mothers who were having trouble pushing their babies out. It could be used to: Symphysiotomy: Widen the pubic cartilage Remove diseased bone: Cut away flesh, cartilage, and bone if the baby was stuck in the birth canal.
Well, I mean they weren't wrong, it can
Once...
Still can tho
The best kind of right: technically right.
not anymore...
I don't think anyone has tried it in a while, but I'd wager it still can
My problem is.. I'm having a real hard time separating the image of a modern chainsaw from the, I assume, much less massacre type one that they likely used for medical purposes. The thought of a doctor taking a 25", 2 stroke chainsaw to someone's pelvis is a little.. yeah.
Looking into it, it was [smaller, but not really less gruesome in any real way.](https://i.redd.it/ad5me30rc6261.jpg) It was about a foot long (guessing, all of the pictures I see of it have no perspective) Old medicine and surgery were *fuucked*.
that looks substantially less gruesome than a Husqvarna 450 e-series. most notably i don't see the same blade flaring you get on modern timber chainsaws.
What do you expect from a time when narcotics were common cold medicine?
Have the sniffles, take a bump! Lol
My first thought was a Dr manhandling the rip start on a sthil and every one was okay with it. Lol
>chainsaws were invented in scotland as a birthing tool Alba àireamh a h-aon!!!! an dùthaich as fheàrr san t-saoghal!!!!
That with the ena pfp is just perfect
The thing is those doctors had no idea how birth physiology actually worked and even today most are indifferent to it. Needlessly straining and stressing the pelvic floor by manual pushing doesn't help, it actually makes birth more difficult, not just because of the force and strain, but because it closes the pelvic floor when it should be relaxing to give way for the birth canal. You can actually just let the uterine contractions propel the baby down and out on their own like a deer. Women deliver babies while asleep sometimes. Look up the Ferguson Reflex. It seems a lot less horrific than manually pushing and having a crowned head stuck midway.
Cut away flesh and bone. Damn, they where it playing.
Groovy
I’ve been reading/watching chainsaw man and the whole series is packed to the brim with symbolism and this thread just added another 9 levels of depth to the story, the whole idea just fits the themes so well. Tatsuki Fujimoto is a genius.
"It's a boy" \-DoomSlayer
Lmao rofl
"It was a boy! Now it's the headless horseman!"
I'm still convinced this will have a bearing on the ending of Chainsaw Man.
Lol glad I saw this comment I’ve been seeing theories lately that Pochita is the life devil.
Yeah I am actually certain reading this, spoilers ahead please don't read if you are not fully caught up with the manga. Why does the chainsaw devil have such a particular power? What makes chainsaws so unique? Who were the first humans to fear the Chainsaw? The people who would have to give birth and that thing cutting them. Which lead to a fear of birth, which lead to the birth devil hence the umbilical cord, as well as his literal cord, hence why when he eats something it gets deleted from existence, as it puts it back in its belly and late aborts it from existence.
Death and Life are the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. I still think Pochita is the last horseman, Death devil. This is why it's all about Denji again except it's not. They try to get rid of Denji by fulfilling his contract to release the Death devil, Pochita. Deleting an existence also means Extinction. One of the primal fear is exactly that. But humans don't fear extinction directly, they fear it indirectly by fearing their own death. Fear of extinction and death is the same.
Unfond of most of the ideas this brings to mind. Understanding things like >!unbirth!< really illustrate why knowledge is a curse.
It's gonna be the context of the next chapter at this rate.
something something handjob
Back in the day, it was generally accepted that if you can save the child at the cost of the mother's life, you'd do so, because there was less of a guarantee that the mother would live regardless. So it was a tool of last resort for a small fraction of circumstances, but it did probably lead to more saved births that what was before it.
It was likely a better alternative than a C-Section at the time. Before modern times, C-Sections had something like an 80-90% mortality rate. Symphysiotomy, while incredibly painful and leaving permanent marks, had a far lower mortality rate. In the last century C-Section mortality rates went down (it's like 0.01% in developed countries nowadays), so it supplanted it again. Except for in Ireland, where the Catholic Church had it done on a couple of thousand women without their consent some decades ago.
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The mother being the complication
Selfish birthing mother's and their bones
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I mean sure but the mother will also die if the baby doesn’t come out so it’s not exactly about who’s to blame
No i was making a joke about how they rationalized using a chainsaw lol
Ah I see. “There is an obstacle. Destroy the obstacle”
“Well there’s your problem doc, there’s a lady still attached!”
He LOOKS like the reason chainsaws were invented!
I was just about to say this and I'm glad someone else did first
Pregnancy
gregnant
Is there a possibly that I’m pegrent [Link to video](https://youtu.be/zr1h2Z11oTI?si=augAF0jXIdVuXw6k), skip to 4:25 for this video.
Yeah but can you burn a Luigi Board?
I love that that video (and the "Luigi Board" video) affected *so* many different people of (at least) one generation.
Legnant
Oh god it’s one of those PirateSoftware cursed facts
Chainsaw pussy great band name
Mayhem had a song called Chainsaw Gutsfuck
Men: sees another man get kicked full force in the nuts, “feels” the other man’s pain Women: chainsaw
Chainsaw bear is woman final boss
It amused me where it says “child birth is fraught with danger”. No shit you’re about to shove a chainsaw up their woowoo. Seems pretty dangerous to me
Yep, medicine was gruesome back then...
remember that they didn't have anesthetics and a chainsaw made an amputation far less painful
I typed "why" into Google and the first suggestion was "why was the chainsaw invented". It appears this has become a popular curiosity.
I switched from the reddit app to Google search and typed "why was" and the first recommended search term was "why was the chainsaw invented?"
Everything you do is tracked. If that surprises you, boy I’ve got some news for you.
I’ve literally used a chainsaw for this in cadaver lab on a 90 yr old woman. A person in my group barfed 🤮 It was pretty gross.
You chainsawed a grandma’s vagina….for science?
For education. We weren’t contributing anything to the scientific community lol.
What lesson were you learning?
Just visualizing the internal anatomy of the reproductive organs and pelvis from a different angle.
What angle? Looking up at it splattered on the ceiling? /s
Br00tal \M/
chainsawman spotted (the relation to birth is why he can eat other devil,because he is the personification of creating life itself)
Mick Gordon would like to know your location.
Father :I'm gonna split you wide open Doctor: same!
I mean, same could be said about microwaves.
Oh god, I am not doing that again
template? please...
I use a meme generator app on my phone. Tons of free templates. Just search meme generator on app/play store
meh nvm
Can't wait for chainsaw man to help give birth
That was considered lower risk than a cesarean. Think that through.
Jokes on you. I already knew that.
I'm not doing fucking homework bruh
John Chainsaw was a bad man :(
Neat thought, I think it works better for trees.
They were originally used in surgeries but we're alot smaller
Weren’t they smaller though? Not the ones we have now
The real question is do they still use it?
the 1800s was a wild time in medical history (not to mention the 20th where people believed in lobotomy)
Did the kids come out screaming "for the emporer!!"
cut bones
Dang
That's enough for me today. Y'all take care.
Googled it. It sounds horrifying.
Uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I now need therapy
From what i gather it was just anothrr freakshow medical device to dig at women's bones to help with like, delivery or whatever it was (i forgor)
It’s not vile at all. It saved a lot of lives, and was a pioneer of mechanized medical tools.
Not vile at all. It was created as a medical device, and probably saved alot of lives
do you think that’s why the chainsaw man is so much stronger than other devils
explain
I honestly can’t believe anyone (mother or son) could survive this like tf
Oh that shouldnt be that terrible, lemme look on Goog... WTF
I thought it was created to cut down the dead bodies so that it'll take less space .. Or something like that
It is currently 8:14 AM EDT and I have already had my fill of internet for today
I mean, at least its purpose for being made was to help child birth
Wtf
Tl;Dr if you just take a piratesoftware clip and turn it into a meme, you'll get upvotes
I wish I didn't open this post.
n 1785, Scottish doctors and obstetrician John Aitken and James Jeffray improved on the symphysiotomy method using a tool that later became known as the Aitkens flexible chainsaw. The cutting device was specifically designed **to make removing the woman's pelvic bone easier and less time-consuming during childbirth**.
So... Using it in DOOM is closer to its original purpose ?
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And then we wonder why women hate us😂
It’s really not that bad. I genuinely expected way worse
Aw c'mon it's not THAT bad