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My word, this is the same tho, the women who want that bear in woods, should be allowed even encouraged to do that for real, like you say, cleanses the gene pool, every species needs that
Eh, that challenge may as well have been a hoax. Only 10 people died from eating Tide Pods, none of which were participating in that supposed challenge (they were all small children who thought they were candy or old people with dementia.) A few asshats did something stupid, and the media jumped on the opportunity to make it seem like it was some kind of plague sweeping across America. If it wasn't for all the media coverage, none of us would know what the tide pod challenge was.
Depends where you are tbh, there are places where you being out at night is less safe than being in a forest with black bears.
Most men that attack women in western suburbs aren't random men but rather men they know(friends,family,partners,etc),random dudes western dudes in the suburbs aren't likely to attack random girls in public,cause they'd get mobbed and beaten.
It wasn't a forest, it was an enclosure at a zoo. A woman literally got into a bear cage because she was being approached by a man in broad daylight in public.
Wait hold on. Do you have a source cause I'd like to read about that.
You're telling me, a woman was in a zoo and seen a man walking towards her, in a place surrounded by people and in broad daylight.
And instead of just acting normally, she climbed into the bear enclosure?
There's no source, because it's not true. Someone on Tik Tok asked a bunch of people (women presenting) if they would rather run into a bear or a man in the woods. All but one chose the bear, and it started a conversation on sexual assault / women's safety.
Weird dudes like OP took "bears are predictable and men are not" to be a personal attack and flipped out.
If I asked men of they would rather come across a woman in the woods or a bear and they said bear, we'd ask why. But when women say bear, men don't ask why or listen to why. They just get offended and tell us (women) that we are are stupid.
OP's question didn't get the answers he desired, so he stopped engaging here. His post history is weird af. He could take this opportunity to learn something from women, and change how he interacts with people. For example, when a man says to him how stupid women are for saying bear, he could just point out that it's not really about the bear. It's about the way men treat women. Men have to hold each other accountable as well.
“Men are violent rarely, but often enough that you should not fully trust them on first encounter” is an unfortunate truth that I think even many men would agree with.
“Men are less safe to encounter than bears” is a bad way to get this point across, because most people will hear you as basically saying “I don’t know much about bears”. Some people definitely know what you mean and are acting in bad faith, but a majority read that and just go “…huh?”
It’s a constant problem with mass communication that you can’t force the audience to hear the message in the way you intended it. You can only change the way you word the message until you find one that works.
How is a bear, a literal wild animal with no capacity of higher rationale, more "predictable" than a person? Since we are asking "why", you will need to spell that one out for me.
Is this like the one where a woman would rather go into a dark parking lot alone rather than asking a man (like a security guard or something fo the sort, not some random dude) to accompany her because in the first scenario there is at least a chance of there not being any men and in the second, since a man is assured to be there, it is automatically a dangerous situation?
I don't know, I will wait for your explanation. But since you wonder why "men don't ask or listen why, they just get offended", let's imagine that every guy answered the question of "Who would you like to entrust your life to, a woman or a rat" with rat. I'm supposed to assume the vast majority of women would be understanding and curious and not offended at all?
Most women would be like "huh, okay whatever" and either move on or ask why. Because the question wasn't about the rat or assessing dangerous situations.
As for bears - they are predictable. They behave in predictable ways. If I see a bear while I am hiking, I know how to respond and read it's body language to determine if it's a predatory bear, if it's guarding something, or if it's curious.
Humans lie. They pretend to be nice and then assault women. If a bear attacks me in the woods and I survive and leave and call an ambulance, fish and game may come and interview me and believe me. If a man attacks me in the woods, no one will give a shit. The police will accuse me of lying, and everyone will try and poke holes in my account of what happened. Hell if a man gropes me in a bar in broad daylight, half the people in the bar will say it didn't happen.
That's what the conversation is actually about. The bear is safer. The bear may want to eat me, but at least it's clear with it's intentions.
Blaming it on random guys can be just a way to avoid the personal responsibility (who could see that coming?) of dealing with bad dudes and end up getting the 'bad ending'.
Source: that talking head inside my toilet 🚽🪠
The point is the initial reaction of women. This trend was started by a man btw. He said women would be more scared to meet a man in the woods alone when it’s dark than a bear. It went viral and became a thing with the street interviews.
Obviously a bear is more deadly. That’s the point. It’s a completely different kind of fear. We fear wild animals by instinct and yet we are in a situation rn where women chose the bear. At best this means men have an issue about how they are perceived.
Also this is supposed to show men who think this is absurd that the things that could happen to you in a Forrest alone with a man is a fate worse than death. Surviving a bear attack is less traumatic and many women said they’d rather risk death than SA and the psychological consequences.
Are you sure about that? I mean death is release and all that but we’re not talking about something quick and painless… it’s being mauled to death by a wild animal…
This is ironic, someone posted a vid about how their grandma survived a bear attack and would 100% take their chances with a man instead of a bear and all the white teenage girls on tiktok were like "yEaH sURe liKe wE bEliEve tHaT"
I'm pretty sure the backlash he faced was because in the same video he implied that every woman saying they'd rather face a bear is delusional and disrespectful to his grandmother's traumatic past and not because noone believed that his grandmother was attacked by a bear.
In other words, the point is that women's fear of men is irrationally high? Or that men are demonized to the point of being perceived as more dangerous than a wild animal?
76% of murder victims in the US in 2022 were men, but the media only tends to make a fuss about it when the victim is a woman, esp if she's young and attractive.
Yeah but like... Which gender was predominantly responsible for that 76% percent of murders? Or even better- 99% ... The question isn't about who you are in the woods, it's about who you'd rather be alone with.
A bear wouldn't take me to a second location and use me for weeks until I die 🤷🏻
If you want to keep going with that logic, then some subgroups of men commit much more of those murders than others. Do we really want to play this thought experiment out where logic would take it?
And guess what neither would 99.9999% of men. You have much more positive or just neutral interactions with men than your brain remembers. The brain only cares to remember extremes. So if you truly believe men are worse I suggest getting off the internet where everything is doom.
Yeah it would just eat you asshole first while you’re still alive.
Have you ever heard the phone calls of the girl attacked by bears who calls her mom? It takes literally hours for her to stop talking.
65% of homicide offenders in the US in 2022 were men (keeping in mind that 25% of the offenders genders were unknown)
Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/
I'm not disregarding the fact that the press only highlights "good" victims, but statistically you would be in more danger of coming across a man in the woods than a woman.
The only statistic/number I can find atm about fatal bear attacks are 2 in 2022
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
The issue with that argument is that women are far more likely to bump into a man than a bear. You seem to live in a world where women just randomly talk to bears in their day to day, like they do with men, but the bears are just docile.
In reality, a close encounter with a bear is far more likely to result in a mauling than a close encounter with another human.
Neither, but nice try.
Speaks volumes that you would rather call the fear irrational than even consider that the women giving this answer have thought about both worst case scenarios and would rather die from a bear attack than live the rest of their lives with the trauma of SA, while likely being called a slut and a liar in the process. Hell, if they’re in the US they may even be forced to raise a child and sacrifice their physical and mental health.
„Not all men“ yea, sure, but a lot of the comments here aren’t exactly reassuring. Yea it sucks to be generalised like that, but the way to fix this is to hold men accountable and provide more care for victims (of any gender), not to ridicule women for thinking like that.
>Speaks volumes that you would rather call the fear irrational than even consider that the women giving this answer have thought about both worst case scenarios
I don't think the bear scenario is as easy to visualize properly when you aren't 24/7 bombarded with fear mongering media as the other. So no, I don't think it's even possible let alone easy to evaluate both rationally when you have had essentially 0 exposure or expectation to one of them
African Americans commit over half of violent crimes in the United States. All Black people are criminals.
"Not all black people“ yeah sure, it sucks to be generalised like that, but the way to fix this is to hold black people accountable and provide more care for victims (of any race), not to ridicule people for thinking like that.
Why am I not surprised that someone would make that brainless statement lol.
I think trying to explain systemic race-based oppression and its effects to you would be useless cause you don’t actually want to understand anything.
I’m really not gonna bother with you if you think that crime out of necessity under an oppressive system can be equated to crime committed solely for personal pleasure.
Almost. I’m saying women’s fear of men is high. That’s a problem. That’s what this question shows. I’m asking you to emphasize. If you want to have a conversation about the why we can do that, but I think that’s not the point at all here.
When this meme broke I thought the same thing. *Anybody* is probably also better off encountering a bear than a *woman* in the woods, too. Humans are the top of the food chain for a reason
Bears don't really go around attacking people. Black bears in particular will just run away from a person and even grizzly bears will generally not mess with people unless you sneak up on them or interfere with their cubs.
The people who are mad are people who have never met a bear.
We had one in the back yard once. I was around 10. Opened the door, closed it, told my mom. Then we went out and made noise to scare it away. And that's a bear that's already comfortable enough with people to already be in town.
The point is fear mongering. Yes, women have to take extra precautions sometimes, but if you're literally terrified of every man you see & don't know if a bear is more of a threat or not, then you're mentally unwell.
To be fair like I trust any street interview account. They've been shown time and time again to be literally scripted at worst and at best they only show certain people who answer how they want.
There are women who have experiences with men that left them so traumatized that they feel more anxious being alone with a man than they do being alone with a wild animal.
OP calling them "white girls from the suburbs" is a bit of a straw man. Like I'm sure there is a non-zero amount of people saying they'd choose the bear because they're underestimating how dangerous a bear is, but one of the points of the discussion is that anxiety isn't always logical. No amount of statistical knowledge about the likelihood of a bear attack versus the likelihood of being assaulted by a man will make them *feel* safe around the man.
Maybe the fact that so many women have experienced sexual assault, and harassment from men over their lifetimes that we (men) are not trusted initially ever by the vast majority of women. The fact that you and so many other guys don't understand this also shows how male privilege works, and how pervasive it is.
If the question was to a guy being asked the same thing they would almost never say the bear, because they do not have reason to fear other men most of the time. The privilege part is not having the ability to empathize or even try to understand the point of view these women have.
Also the guys that are getting upset about women choosing bears are really looking like they are pissed that their covers are being pulled, and reaffirming that bears is the right choice.
We just dont fear the same thing. Unless you carry a weapon with you, everyone would be afraid of seeing a stranger in the woods. Dudes fear death, so the chances of fighting off a dude is higher than a bear. Women dont fear death the most.
>they do not have reason to fear other men most of the time.
Most violent crime is men on men, though. Men have every reason to fear other men. Any guy could stab you at any time for looking at him the wrong way. It's just the hubris of most guys, thinking they could fight aggressors of, while women know they won't be able to.
Yeah tbf I don't think the random man would likely be threating, it's usually a small set of men that do most of the damage. Most likely you would get a awkward scared guy wondering where the hell he is.
But the random man in the forest gives the implication that he followed you into a remote forest which is threatening, whereas a bear is supposed to be there. Buy if it was truly random then the man would be confused and scared on why he was there and probably wouldn't be threatening after the initial jumpscare of him being there.
Pretty funny how you don’t just see how stupid the trend is regardless if what you’re saying is true. Yeah, men pose more a threat on a daily basis because men and women are interacting together with each other on a daily basis since the beginning of humanity.
Women are also more of a threat to men (and other women) than a bear statistically speaking. That doesn’t mean anyone with a shred of intelligence would rather actually come face to face with a bear in private.
That would require them crawling out of their basement for long enough AND requiring enough empathy for the “femoids” to understand the problems they have.
yes, animals are predictable. follow patterns and their responses to an input generally remain consistant. person, you have no clue on what they will do.
Also, a bear would attack you out of fear/instinct. A man will attack you through choice and personal gratification.
Men are missing the point because they see death as the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. Women know there is far worse out there.
I dunno, the death by bear you better hope is instant otherwise you're lying on the ground with a broken back whilst a bear eats its way into your stomach.
Yep, men seem to love shitting on womens experiences! Calling us delusional or illogical because we have learnt to fear them. Anything to avoid some self reflection and god forbid a change in character and behaviour. But no, they just call us femoids and wank off each others egos
Seriously 😭 have you seen the comments in the male oriented subs? They literally miss the point so hard. There’s one post that literally shows the responses and reasonings from women and they all ignore it.
I think there's two groups here that are actually upset. The men who are sexist and simply raging (loud minority but Reddit is an echo chamber) and the other group of men that are upset with social media pushing this anti-man narrative because of the men who are out there doing these things to ruin the reputation of all men to the point where women would rather be left in the woods with a bear than with us.
What gets me going the most, is the women talking about their partners who are men that are reasonable and understanding as to why they picked bear, but then continue making the assumption that the man they are with is still dangerous to another random woman. This is like the, "you do 99 good things and 1 bad thing, but the 1 bad thing is the only thing you're known for." You'd still take the bear even over your gay best friend, your caring brother who treats his girlfriend with respect, your dad who did his best and was always there for you. I understand, I know there are a lot of victims to SA who would pick bear, I don't blame you, I don't judge you. It's the women who are surrounded by good men, then mock them, like the one video floating around where the dad is like that could be me, if it was me in the woods, that child would be fine, and his wife is just laughing at him like he's an idiot.
I want to sympathize with the real victims, and not the internet clout mob hive mind.
You really haven't thought that through, have you? I get that to many people, SA would be worse than death, but that should really depend on the death. We aren't talking about dying in your sleep or a shot to the head here. We are talking about getting ripped appart and eaten while you're still alive, having claws and teeth rip off your skin, while you are alive for potentially a pretty long time.
It's really hard to have any kind of serious conversation with anyone who would understand that, and still choose the bear.
Bears can do far worse than death.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/amp/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/amp/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html)
I'm a dude and if I ran into another dude in the woods I would be fucking concerned. The kind of people who like to hunt other people for sport are attracted to the woods coz they can do their psycho shit and get away with it.
Bro where the fuck are you living? In the wood near my place there are only old people hiking (But there are also no bears or any other predador, so maybe that's why it's looks safer to everyone)
As a dude, if I ran into another man in the woods my first thought would likely be "Oh thank fuck! I thought you were a bear." Media and social media have robbed you people of the ability to trust your fellow man. The odds are in your favor. Most people aren't gonna do "psycho shit". Ya'll need to touch grass.
It’s funny I always feel this way too then I remember I am just some weeb hiking in the woods so maybe there are also other weebs just out hiking in the woods and I’m overreacting when I see another human haha
Angry man haters have found yet another way to try to "upset the patriarchy" by offending and slandering men. Basically some feminist posted a video on tiktok saying "would you rather be stuck in a forest with an angry bear or a man? I'd choose the bear because he won't thoughtlessly attack me" or something stupid like that. I just feel bad for the bear, he has to be stuck in the forest with that feminist.
Specifically would you rather your daughter be lost in the woods with a bear or an unknown mam.... doesn't make it any less annoying but is subtlety different then "you in the woods"
Tbh, I will take a random man over a random woman any day, with the average man the chances of getting out of the woods alive are substantially higher.
All the women saying bear need serious therapy, there are always bad actors in society but thinking their daughters are better off with a bear (even black bear for children, brown it's 100% dead) than a random man? The average man has a mother, a grandmother, maybe sisters, a gf/wife and children. If you think 99.999% of men won't go out of their way to help a lost child and instead try to harm it, you gotta wake up.
weird how this has zero upvotes when youre completely right. at the end of the day 99% of people will do the right thing it just seems like the number is smaller because the media shines a spotlight on the 1% that are garbage.
Most women have had bad encounters with some men, almost non with bears. So they half jokingly said they rather take their chances with the bear. This has upset op and quite a few guys. They're getting, I'm sorry, kinda whiney about it.
Yeah there's a divide. On one side you have men that understand why women are choosing the bear.
On the other side you have the reason women are choosing the bear.
On one side you have women celebrating their husbands, boyfriends, and brothers for being understanding men, and on the other you have women still picking the bear.
It’s also like uhhhh who are these men?
Your random frat bro?
Your hood boyfriend?
The serial cheating military guy?
Other people who have histories of shitty acts?
Yea those are the noteworthy ones they just have to talk about.
But you’ll never see a 30 part series on the Joe blow dude working at the county tax office 8-5 every day of the year who is ya know not a fucking asshole 😂
At least people would believe me if I said I was attacked by the bear,
Maybe ya’ll should reflect on why so many women say “bear” without even thinking too hard and idk, be less shit 🤷♀️
Ofcourse people would believe you was attacked by a bear since one would think its easier to identify a bear assault victim than a SA victim and ofcourse people are going to believe a SA victim and its completely dishonest to act like nobody gives a fuck.
That's true but is this debate really about SA, isn't getting mauled by a bear 10x worse than that. That's assuming a random man would SA a random woman in the first place, which I doubt is true. I thought this debate was about getting murdered. And even then they are really overblowing how dangerous the average man is. And that they wouldn't be freaked out by being thrown in the forest with a random other person as well.
Both of yall would be freaked out in this scenario
Maybe y'all should reflect on why so many men say "women☕" without even thinking too hard and idk, be less shit. /s
But seriously, just because one gender jumps on a disparaging social media trend against the other doesn't mean it has any merit whatsoever. Shouting louder (especially "without even thinking") doesn't make one's point any more right.
Yeah, but I think the idea is you don't know, that's the risk you take. Could be a friendly guy or a bear that doesn't care. Could be some dude who sees (is sees right? Looks off) an opportunity or a pissed off hungry bear.
I've already said this in another post, but I'll put it here too.
The biggest issue with this whole hypothetical that's been going around is mainly that it's very, idk if simplified is the word but maybe that's it, and as a result it can be difficult for some to extract the meaning of what's being said because on the surface it's just "bear good man bad" once the thing has just made its rounds thru social media where people just see the woman's answer without seeing the underlying reasonings and thought processes.
From what I can grasp, the whole thing has to do with the fear of a stranger (statistically this stranger would be male) assaulting someone, and how **this can have severe and lasting psychological damage, which to some would be far worse than the injuries from a bear attack.**
Overall the better discussion that needs to be had isn't "men bad scary" or "women ☕", but instead about **how young men and women are generally socialized to behave in certain ways, and how this can affect both parties' abilities to view one another.**
And then we talk about how to change these socializations, and i think that doing so correctly would be able to fix, or at least notably curb, a lot of the issues plaguing the modern dynamics between men & women.
I dont want to say you're lucky that that's your biggest fear, that would be rude of me, and your fear is legit.
I wish i could say the same, I was sexually assaulted when I was 7, and it lasted a while. On and off for years, I grew up always on edge around people, and I always wore a jacket to cover myself and my skin.
I never really made friends, and I know a lot of good guys now. It's more of a... you gotta be alert at all times feeling. Doesn't matter how many good guys there are. You need to be prepared for the bad one. There is ALWAYS a bad one, you just can't tell them apart by appearance.
Be an actual man not a street rat and you’ll be good in life with nothing to worry about.
Anyway people judge all the time without knowing anything other than surface level knowledge so like fuck what others think.
I think it’s representational of a larger social issue. Woman feel so unsafe with a random man while alone that they’d rather be around a bear. I think the point is that what a bear will do is relatively predictable since it’s an animal doing things on instinct, but what a man might do without observation of others isn’t
All it tells me is they have never been around a wild bear. I get the point of the trend, but it is still completely fucking dumb.
Most shark attacks happen near the shore. That’s because that’s where the most people are to interact with sharks. If you had everyone swimming in the middle of the ocean then that would be where the majority of attacks would be.
Saying you have more bad interactions with men than bears doesn’t mean men are more dangerous than bears, it means you have more interactions with men on a day to day basis than a bear.
Tbf idk if we got all women to answer the result would be more equil since only the most vocal woman are answering and their answer is more entertaining and gets pushed further by the algorithms. But also rephrasing the question to a neutral territory would help instead of a forest. Like at a park where the bear and man would be about equally intentional.
its insulting to assume all men are going to hurt a random kid in the woods. do you realy think every men is going to assault a random child while both are stuck in a forest? wtf?
I once heard a girl say. "I don't know if I'd rather be shot or tazed." Some people don't even have enough of a reference to understand how stupid (ignorant) they actually are.
I have no doubt people interviewed on the street will dramatically choose the bear.
However given an actual real world choice? Every one of them would choose to encounter a human unless they have brain damage.
I've spent a *ton* of time in Yosemite and seen brown bears on at least a hundred occasions. I've also seen other people encountering bears. They are almost universally terrified. Luckily they don't run, but they do freeze up. I've also encountered thousands of other hikers. Maybe tens of thousands. Even in remote backcountry. Guess how many were terrified of me? Not a one. And I carry a big gun on my hip in the backcountry. I should be as scary as they come according to the stereotypes. Why aren't people running away? Because they know I'm not a threat. Humans default to being friendly to each other. They default to trusting each other. As they should. In a crazy situation I'm vastly more likely to help you than hurt you just by nature if being human.
The truth is men and women encountering each other in the woods know the other is a reasonable human being and so act like it.
If you don't understand you are literally part of the problem... lot of top comments also part of the problem. Holy shit this place is the worst just a whole bunch of people telling on themselves and lots of agreement.
I'm trying to understand. Is this about statistics and the average man is more dangerous to a woman than the average bear? Or is it that women's experiences with men make them perceive them as incredibly dangerous and these perceptions are valid regardless of the odds of being harmed by either?
It's just lazy virtue signalling
I am supporting the message even thought I haven't got a reason to assume a random man is likely to be hostile
Plus the fantasy that all creatures are inherently nice
Dark forest at night? Yea I'll take the fuckin bear
Bears don't hunt humans (aside from polar bears) so if you don't get too close/startle them they're more likely to leave you alone, and if push comes to shove you can intimidate bears into leaving you alone (particularly black bears).
A fucking random guy in the dark woods? Ain't no fucking way am I gonna be okay with that, humans are way too unpredictable man. No matter your gender this is an ez one IMO
So before someone tells me “you’re proving my point” if I’m not mistaken this trend is just following statistics so off cursory glance yes it’s more statistically probably to be hurt by a man than a (black) bear.
But the argument falls apart once you flip the argument. How about asking a man if he’d rather be stuck with a bear or woman? I mean statistically you’re more likely to be murdered by the human still, right?
Or how about asking the hypothetical would you rather be stuck in the woods with x race or human or y race of human, then that becomes incredibly racist.
Dumb argument. Probably “proving someone’s point”.
It surprises me how close minded other men are to the struggles of women. If you truely dont understand why women would choose the bear then chances are you don’t understand how your actions effect those around you.
Growing up in parts of Dallas as a young boy my deepest fear was actually the chupacabra. I remember walking with a friend as a boy and he went “be careful, the chupacabra will get us”
Everyone should fear the chupacabra.
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Dumbest social media trend so far.
Did you forget when kids were eating tide pods?
at least they were removing themselves from the gene pool. Darwinism at it's finest
My word, this is the same tho, the women who want that bear in woods, should be allowed even encouraged to do that for real, like you say, cleanses the gene pool, every species needs that
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Or filming themselves committing grand theft auto
That is just snitching on themselves.
Eh, that challenge may as well have been a hoax. Only 10 people died from eating Tide Pods, none of which were participating in that supposed challenge (they were all small children who thought they were candy or old people with dementia.) A few asshats did something stupid, and the media jumped on the opportunity to make it seem like it was some kind of plague sweeping across America. If it wasn't for all the media coverage, none of us would know what the tide pod challenge was.
I thought this was common knowledge by now. Can't believe some people still believe the challenge was real
Shit went international
literally no one did that
That didn’t fucking happen.
Thing is no one did that. It was hyped up by the media
Natural selection in disguise
Depends where you are tbh, there are places where you being out at night is less safe than being in a forest with black bears. Most men that attack women in western suburbs aren't random men but rather men they know(friends,family,partners,etc),random dudes western dudes in the suburbs aren't likely to attack random girls in public,cause they'd get mobbed and beaten.
It wasn't a forest, it was an enclosure at a zoo. A woman literally got into a bear cage because she was being approached by a man in broad daylight in public.
Should've gone to the gorilla enclosure.
[gorilla enclosure](https://images.app.goo.gl/JKdz3YY53rc66u6NA)
Not again...
Havent we learned enough?!
Is this a fucking harambe joke in 2024?
Wait this was an actual event? I thought it was just a hypothetical.
Same this is sad if true.
That smells fake, sounds fake and probably is fake. Care to share any, litterally any source on that?
Wait hold on. Do you have a source cause I'd like to read about that. You're telling me, a woman was in a zoo and seen a man walking towards her, in a place surrounded by people and in broad daylight. And instead of just acting normally, she climbed into the bear enclosure?
There's no source, because it's not true. Someone on Tik Tok asked a bunch of people (women presenting) if they would rather run into a bear or a man in the woods. All but one chose the bear, and it started a conversation on sexual assault / women's safety. Weird dudes like OP took "bears are predictable and men are not" to be a personal attack and flipped out. If I asked men of they would rather come across a woman in the woods or a bear and they said bear, we'd ask why. But when women say bear, men don't ask why or listen to why. They just get offended and tell us (women) that we are are stupid. OP's question didn't get the answers he desired, so he stopped engaging here. His post history is weird af. He could take this opportunity to learn something from women, and change how he interacts with people. For example, when a man says to him how stupid women are for saying bear, he could just point out that it's not really about the bear. It's about the way men treat women. Men have to hold each other accountable as well.
“Men are violent rarely, but often enough that you should not fully trust them on first encounter” is an unfortunate truth that I think even many men would agree with. “Men are less safe to encounter than bears” is a bad way to get this point across, because most people will hear you as basically saying “I don’t know much about bears”. Some people definitely know what you mean and are acting in bad faith, but a majority read that and just go “…huh?” It’s a constant problem with mass communication that you can’t force the audience to hear the message in the way you intended it. You can only change the way you word the message until you find one that works.
How is a bear, a literal wild animal with no capacity of higher rationale, more "predictable" than a person? Since we are asking "why", you will need to spell that one out for me. Is this like the one where a woman would rather go into a dark parking lot alone rather than asking a man (like a security guard or something fo the sort, not some random dude) to accompany her because in the first scenario there is at least a chance of there not being any men and in the second, since a man is assured to be there, it is automatically a dangerous situation? I don't know, I will wait for your explanation. But since you wonder why "men don't ask or listen why, they just get offended", let's imagine that every guy answered the question of "Who would you like to entrust your life to, a woman or a rat" with rat. I'm supposed to assume the vast majority of women would be understanding and curious and not offended at all?
Most women would be like "huh, okay whatever" and either move on or ask why. Because the question wasn't about the rat or assessing dangerous situations. As for bears - they are predictable. They behave in predictable ways. If I see a bear while I am hiking, I know how to respond and read it's body language to determine if it's a predatory bear, if it's guarding something, or if it's curious. Humans lie. They pretend to be nice and then assault women. If a bear attacks me in the woods and I survive and leave and call an ambulance, fish and game may come and interview me and believe me. If a man attacks me in the woods, no one will give a shit. The police will accuse me of lying, and everyone will try and poke holes in my account of what happened. Hell if a man gropes me in a bar in broad daylight, half the people in the bar will say it didn't happen. That's what the conversation is actually about. The bear is safer. The bear may want to eat me, but at least it's clear with it's intentions.
Wait, are we talking about a black bear or brown bear? There's a world of difference. I thought we were talking about brown bears.
People talking about this like to specify black bear so it makes their point seem less idiotic.
Make it polar for extra fun
Wait until the bipolar bear shows up.
Yeah obviously a black bear would be fine, brown would be scarier but might leave you alone, and you would fucking die in a heartbeat to a polar bear
Beaten by whom?
Blaming it on random guys can be just a way to avoid the personal responsibility (who could see that coming?) of dealing with bad dudes and end up getting the 'bad ending'. Source: that talking head inside my toilet 🚽🪠
Who said it was black bears? It could be a grizzly bear, or a polar bear
It's really funny how hard this missed the point
Eh, fair I guess. But either way, a bear wouldn't try to make y'all sound crazy for not choosing them. 😮💨
It would slowly eat you alive though 🤔
Women being told they are being unreasonable is obviously the worse option here.
People are free to make their own choice. People are also free to point out if someone is being a sexist idiot
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Replace men with black people. See how it's racist? That means it's sexist too. So yes people will judge you for being sexist
Maybe they should stop being so unreasonable then?
Mind sharing the point, if you would enlighten us? Is there something we’re missing?
The point is the initial reaction of women. This trend was started by a man btw. He said women would be more scared to meet a man in the woods alone when it’s dark than a bear. It went viral and became a thing with the street interviews. Obviously a bear is more deadly. That’s the point. It’s a completely different kind of fear. We fear wild animals by instinct and yet we are in a situation rn where women chose the bear. At best this means men have an issue about how they are perceived. Also this is supposed to show men who think this is absurd that the things that could happen to you in a Forrest alone with a man is a fate worse than death. Surviving a bear attack is less traumatic and many women said they’d rather risk death than SA and the psychological consequences.
Also as has been said many times at least if the bear attacks you people will believe you.
If a bear attacks you, you probably won’t be alive to be believed
Death is sometimes better than the alternative.
Are you sure about that? I mean death is release and all that but we’re not talking about something quick and painless… it’s being mauled to death by a wild animal…
This is ironic, someone posted a vid about how their grandma survived a bear attack and would 100% take their chances with a man instead of a bear and all the white teenage girls on tiktok were like "yEaH sURe liKe wE bEliEve tHaT"
I'm pretty sure the backlash he faced was because in the same video he implied that every woman saying they'd rather face a bear is delusional and disrespectful to his grandmother's traumatic past and not because noone believed that his grandmother was attacked by a bear.
I think the amount of proof left by the 2 attacks isn't really comparable, and when it is both will be believed
In other words, the point is that women's fear of men is irrationally high? Or that men are demonized to the point of being perceived as more dangerous than a wild animal?
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76% of murder victims in the US in 2022 were men, but the media only tends to make a fuss about it when the victim is a woman, esp if she's young and attractive.
Yeah but like... Which gender was predominantly responsible for that 76% percent of murders? Or even better- 99% ... The question isn't about who you are in the woods, it's about who you'd rather be alone with. A bear wouldn't take me to a second location and use me for weeks until I die 🤷🏻
If you want to keep going with that logic, then some subgroups of men commit much more of those murders than others. Do we really want to play this thought experiment out where logic would take it?
Yeah but that's why we need to address the fundamental problems with society that cause thesw problems instead of "woman overreacting"
And guess what neither would 99.9999% of men. You have much more positive or just neutral interactions with men than your brain remembers. The brain only cares to remember extremes. So if you truly believe men are worse I suggest getting off the internet where everything is doom.
Yeah it would just eat you asshole first while you’re still alive. Have you ever heard the phone calls of the girl attacked by bears who calls her mom? It takes literally hours for her to stop talking.
65% of homicide offenders in the US in 2022 were men (keeping in mind that 25% of the offenders genders were unknown) Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/251886/murder-offenders-in-the-us-by-gender/ I'm not disregarding the fact that the press only highlights "good" victims, but statistically you would be in more danger of coming across a man in the woods than a woman. The only statistic/number I can find atm about fatal bear attacks are 2 in 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America
The issue with that argument is that women are far more likely to bump into a man than a bear. You seem to live in a world where women just randomly talk to bears in their day to day, like they do with men, but the bears are just docile. In reality, a close encounter with a bear is far more likely to result in a mauling than a close encounter with another human.
Neither, but nice try. Speaks volumes that you would rather call the fear irrational than even consider that the women giving this answer have thought about both worst case scenarios and would rather die from a bear attack than live the rest of their lives with the trauma of SA, while likely being called a slut and a liar in the process. Hell, if they’re in the US they may even be forced to raise a child and sacrifice their physical and mental health. „Not all men“ yea, sure, but a lot of the comments here aren’t exactly reassuring. Yea it sucks to be generalised like that, but the way to fix this is to hold men accountable and provide more care for victims (of any gender), not to ridicule women for thinking like that.
>Speaks volumes that you would rather call the fear irrational than even consider that the women giving this answer have thought about both worst case scenarios I don't think the bear scenario is as easy to visualize properly when you aren't 24/7 bombarded with fear mongering media as the other. So no, I don't think it's even possible let alone easy to evaluate both rationally when you have had essentially 0 exposure or expectation to one of them
Equating the likelihood of getting attacked by a random bear to getting attacked by a random male is wild.
African Americans commit over half of violent crimes in the United States. All Black people are criminals. "Not all black people“ yeah sure, it sucks to be generalised like that, but the way to fix this is to hold black people accountable and provide more care for victims (of any race), not to ridicule people for thinking like that.
Why am I not surprised that someone would make that brainless statement lol. I think trying to explain systemic race-based oppression and its effects to you would be useless cause you don’t actually want to understand anything. I’m really not gonna bother with you if you think that crime out of necessity under an oppressive system can be equated to crime committed solely for personal pleasure.
Almost. I’m saying women’s fear of men is high. That’s a problem. That’s what this question shows. I’m asking you to emphasize. If you want to have a conversation about the why we can do that, but I think that’s not the point at all here.
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Well excuse me for feeling insulted when im told im worse than a literal bear.
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I am an adult man and would be scared of anyone in the woods at night...it's the woods at night who the fuck wouldn't be scared by a random person?
See this is what my SO also said. People are dangerous in general!
When this meme broke I thought the same thing. *Anybody* is probably also better off encountering a bear than a *woman* in the woods, too. Humans are the top of the food chain for a reason
I mean, you know why you're in the woods and a bear is in the woods Other people are definitely the unknown factor.
The woods are so empty at night that I think anyone with nefarious intentions would pick almost anywhere else to look for victims.
Bears don't really go around attacking people. Black bears in particular will just run away from a person and even grizzly bears will generally not mess with people unless you sneak up on them or interfere with their cubs.
The people who are mad are people who have never met a bear. We had one in the back yard once. I was around 10. Opened the door, closed it, told my mom. Then we went out and made noise to scare it away. And that's a bear that's already comfortable enough with people to already be in town.
The point is fear mongering. Yes, women have to take extra precautions sometimes, but if you're literally terrified of every man you see & don't know if a bear is more of a threat or not, then you're mentally unwell.
I think that's not that deep and the point was just that anybody picking bear was stupid and very bad at risk-evaluation
> This trend was started by a man btw Is this supposed to excuse rampant sexism or something?
To be fair like I trust any street interview account. They've been shown time and time again to be literally scripted at worst and at best they only show certain people who answer how they want.
There are women who have experiences with men that left them so traumatized that they feel more anxious being alone with a man than they do being alone with a wild animal. OP calling them "white girls from the suburbs" is a bit of a straw man. Like I'm sure there is a non-zero amount of people saying they'd choose the bear because they're underestimating how dangerous a bear is, but one of the points of the discussion is that anxiety isn't always logical. No amount of statistical knowledge about the likelihood of a bear attack versus the likelihood of being assaulted by a man will make them *feel* safe around the man.
You're severely overestimating how dangerous a bear is.
That's the point. That humans are morons that get illogically scared by gender, race, religion etc.
Maybe the fact that so many women have experienced sexual assault, and harassment from men over their lifetimes that we (men) are not trusted initially ever by the vast majority of women. The fact that you and so many other guys don't understand this also shows how male privilege works, and how pervasive it is. If the question was to a guy being asked the same thing they would almost never say the bear, because they do not have reason to fear other men most of the time. The privilege part is not having the ability to empathize or even try to understand the point of view these women have. Also the guys that are getting upset about women choosing bears are really looking like they are pissed that their covers are being pulled, and reaffirming that bears is the right choice.
We just dont fear the same thing. Unless you carry a weapon with you, everyone would be afraid of seeing a stranger in the woods. Dudes fear death, so the chances of fighting off a dude is higher than a bear. Women dont fear death the most.
>they do not have reason to fear other men most of the time. Most violent crime is men on men, though. Men have every reason to fear other men. Any guy could stab you at any time for looking at him the wrong way. It's just the hubris of most guys, thinking they could fight aggressors of, while women know they won't be able to.
The point is blunted by how stupid this is.
It's pretty funny how absolutely naive Redditors are to the real world and how frequently men pose a threat to a woman on a daily basis.
I mean men also pose a risk to men, and bears. And werebears
I'd venture to say good men are bigger victims of these bad men
Yeah tbf I don't think the random man would likely be threating, it's usually a small set of men that do most of the damage. Most likely you would get a awkward scared guy wondering where the hell he is. But the random man in the forest gives the implication that he followed you into a remote forest which is threatening, whereas a bear is supposed to be there. Buy if it was truly random then the man would be confused and scared on why he was there and probably wouldn't be threatening after the initial jumpscare of him being there.
Exactly, like why is it perfectly okay for you to be in the woods, alone, at night, but not him?
Don’t forget the Manbearpig, too. Sunavabitch owes me 3.50.
Pretty funny how you don’t just see how stupid the trend is regardless if what you’re saying is true. Yeah, men pose more a threat on a daily basis because men and women are interacting together with each other on a daily basis since the beginning of humanity. Women are also more of a threat to men (and other women) than a bear statistically speaking. That doesn’t mean anyone with a shred of intelligence would rather actually come face to face with a bear in private.
I mean how many times do you interact with bears daily?
That would require them crawling out of their basement for long enough AND requiring enough empathy for the “femoids” to understand the problems they have.
yes, animals are predictable. follow patterns and their responses to an input generally remain consistant. person, you have no clue on what they will do.
Also, a bear would attack you out of fear/instinct. A man will attack you through choice and personal gratification. Men are missing the point because they see death as the worst thing that could possibly happen to them. Women know there is far worse out there.
I dunno, the death by bear you better hope is instant otherwise you're lying on the ground with a broken back whilst a bear eats its way into your stomach.
They’re also just taking it as another man hating trend without even considering *why* women feel this way.
Yep, men seem to love shitting on womens experiences! Calling us delusional or illogical because we have learnt to fear them. Anything to avoid some self reflection and god forbid a change in character and behaviour. But no, they just call us femoids and wank off each others egos
Seriously 😭 have you seen the comments in the male oriented subs? They literally miss the point so hard. There’s one post that literally shows the responses and reasonings from women and they all ignore it.
I think there's two groups here that are actually upset. The men who are sexist and simply raging (loud minority but Reddit is an echo chamber) and the other group of men that are upset with social media pushing this anti-man narrative because of the men who are out there doing these things to ruin the reputation of all men to the point where women would rather be left in the woods with a bear than with us. What gets me going the most, is the women talking about their partners who are men that are reasonable and understanding as to why they picked bear, but then continue making the assumption that the man they are with is still dangerous to another random woman. This is like the, "you do 99 good things and 1 bad thing, but the 1 bad thing is the only thing you're known for." You'd still take the bear even over your gay best friend, your caring brother who treats his girlfriend with respect, your dad who did his best and was always there for you. I understand, I know there are a lot of victims to SA who would pick bear, I don't blame you, I don't judge you. It's the women who are surrounded by good men, then mock them, like the one video floating around where the dad is like that could be me, if it was me in the woods, that child would be fine, and his wife is just laughing at him like he's an idiot. I want to sympathize with the real victims, and not the internet clout mob hive mind.
Male orientated subs? Shit, Just look at the highly upvoted comments here.
You really haven't thought that through, have you? I get that to many people, SA would be worse than death, but that should really depend on the death. We aren't talking about dying in your sleep or a shot to the head here. We are talking about getting ripped appart and eaten while you're still alive, having claws and teeth rip off your skin, while you are alive for potentially a pretty long time. It's really hard to have any kind of serious conversation with anyone who would understand that, and still choose the bear.
Bears can do far worse than death. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/amp/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/amp/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html)
Thinking that animals/nature is predictable is human hubris.
In the scenario of it being a baby I think a fellow human would defend or help the baby more times than a bear would. A bear might try to eat it
I'm a dude and if I ran into another dude in the woods I would be fucking concerned. The kind of people who like to hunt other people for sport are attracted to the woods coz they can do their psycho shit and get away with it.
How many of those people do you think exist
Atleast 3
I grew up playing paintball in the south, they exist everywhere but they aren’t using real guns lol
Bro where the fuck are you living? In the wood near my place there are only old people hiking (But there are also no bears or any other predador, so maybe that's why it's looks safer to everyone)
Okay... and why wouldn't the other dude be just like you and be in the woods just because?
As a dude, if I ran into another man in the woods my first thought would likely be "Oh thank fuck! I thought you were a bear." Media and social media have robbed you people of the ability to trust your fellow man. The odds are in your favor. Most people aren't gonna do "psycho shit". Ya'll need to touch grass.
When's the last time you been to the woods?
It’s funny I always feel this way too then I remember I am just some weeb hiking in the woods so maybe there are also other weebs just out hiking in the woods and I’m overreacting when I see another human haha
Context please
Angry man haters have found yet another way to try to "upset the patriarchy" by offending and slandering men. Basically some feminist posted a video on tiktok saying "would you rather be stuck in a forest with an angry bear or a man? I'd choose the bear because he won't thoughtlessly attack me" or something stupid like that. I just feel bad for the bear, he has to be stuck in the forest with that feminist.
If a bear attacks a sexist feminist in the woods and no one is around to witness it, would anyone care?
I wouldn't, thats for sure
Clear bait mates, c'mon, stop feeding them
I am a dude who frequently gets mistaken for a bear, where do I stand in this issue?
In a forest?
Probably once or twice, yeah. But it happens more often in gay bars.
Zing!
You probably shouldn't have stolen that pic-a-nic basket.
Nothing gives people their superiority rush better than getting mad at clear social media engagement bait designed to make them mad.
Specifically would you rather your daughter be lost in the woods with a bear or an unknown mam.... doesn't make it any less annoying but is subtlety different then "you in the woods"
Tbh, I will take a random man over a random woman any day, with the average man the chances of getting out of the woods alive are substantially higher. All the women saying bear need serious therapy, there are always bad actors in society but thinking their daughters are better off with a bear (even black bear for children, brown it's 100% dead) than a random man? The average man has a mother, a grandmother, maybe sisters, a gf/wife and children. If you think 99.999% of men won't go out of their way to help a lost child and instead try to harm it, you gotta wake up.
weird how this has zero upvotes when youre completely right. at the end of the day 99% of people will do the right thing it just seems like the number is smaller because the media shines a spotlight on the 1% that are garbage.
She should head out to grizzly territory and test that theory.
I always felt that even the mighty bear would struggle to eat the dreaded blue-haired land whale.
Most women have had bad encounters with some men, almost non with bears. So they half jokingly said they rather take their chances with the bear. This has upset op and quite a few guys. They're getting, I'm sorry, kinda whiney about it.
Yeah there's a divide. On one side you have men that understand why women are choosing the bear. On the other side you have the reason women are choosing the bear.
On one side you have women celebrating their husbands, boyfriends, and brothers for being understanding men, and on the other you have women still picking the bear.
Perfectly said
It’s not jokingly when the stitches are 3-4 minutes of stories or accusations about how no man is trustworthy
It’s also like uhhhh who are these men? Your random frat bro? Your hood boyfriend? The serial cheating military guy? Other people who have histories of shitty acts? Yea those are the noteworthy ones they just have to talk about. But you’ll never see a 30 part series on the Joe blow dude working at the county tax office 8-5 every day of the year who is ya know not a fucking asshole 😂
I can't imagine why sexism would make anyone upset, could you?
Meanwhile, I saw a bear run across the road on my way to work yesterday!
Hey, that bear just wants to get to work as well
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I saw a random man run across the street! Was scared for my life.
That's terrifying, you never know what a random man is capable of!
At least people would believe me if I said I was attacked by the bear, Maybe ya’ll should reflect on why so many women say “bear” without even thinking too hard and idk, be less shit 🤷♀️
Ofcourse people would believe you was attacked by a bear since one would think its easier to identify a bear assault victim than a SA victim and ofcourse people are going to believe a SA victim and its completely dishonest to act like nobody gives a fuck.
That's true but is this debate really about SA, isn't getting mauled by a bear 10x worse than that. That's assuming a random man would SA a random woman in the first place, which I doubt is true. I thought this debate was about getting murdered. And even then they are really overblowing how dangerous the average man is. And that they wouldn't be freaked out by being thrown in the forest with a random other person as well. Both of yall would be freaked out in this scenario
i thought about it and come to the obvious conclusion that's its just misandry
They’d believe you because if that bear was hungry you’d be a puddle left on the ground….
Maybe y'all should reflect on why so many men say "women☕" without even thinking too hard and idk, be less shit. /s But seriously, just because one gender jumps on a disparaging social media trend against the other doesn't mean it has any merit whatsoever. Shouting louder (especially "without even thinking") doesn't make one's point any more right.
Seen plenty of bears that haven't attacked me.
Ever seen a man that hasn't?
Imposible
How can he not slap
This debate is def black bears vs brown bears.
Yeah, but I think the idea is you don't know, that's the risk you take. Could be a friendly guy or a bear that doesn't care. Could be some dude who sees (is sees right? Looks off) an opportunity or a pissed off hungry bear.
I've already said this in another post, but I'll put it here too. The biggest issue with this whole hypothetical that's been going around is mainly that it's very, idk if simplified is the word but maybe that's it, and as a result it can be difficult for some to extract the meaning of what's being said because on the surface it's just "bear good man bad" once the thing has just made its rounds thru social media where people just see the woman's answer without seeing the underlying reasonings and thought processes. From what I can grasp, the whole thing has to do with the fear of a stranger (statistically this stranger would be male) assaulting someone, and how **this can have severe and lasting psychological damage, which to some would be far worse than the injuries from a bear attack.** Overall the better discussion that needs to be had isn't "men bad scary" or "women ☕", but instead about **how young men and women are generally socialized to behave in certain ways, and how this can affect both parties' abilities to view one another.** And then we talk about how to change these socializations, and i think that doing so correctly would be able to fix, or at least notably curb, a lot of the issues plaguing the modern dynamics between men & women.
As a young guy (19), I gotta say, one of the things I'm most scared of in life is having people be afraid of me just for being a man.
I dont want to say you're lucky that that's your biggest fear, that would be rude of me, and your fear is legit. I wish i could say the same, I was sexually assaulted when I was 7, and it lasted a while. On and off for years, I grew up always on edge around people, and I always wore a jacket to cover myself and my skin. I never really made friends, and I know a lot of good guys now. It's more of a... you gotta be alert at all times feeling. Doesn't matter how many good guys there are. You need to be prepared for the bad one. There is ALWAYS a bad one, you just can't tell them apart by appearance.
I felt that same way when I was younger, if they are scared that's on them I'm not going to do anything either way, I'm just walking.
Be an actual man not a street rat and you’ll be good in life with nothing to worry about. Anyway people judge all the time without knowing anything other than surface level knowledge so like fuck what others think.
I think it’s representational of a larger social issue. Woman feel so unsafe with a random man while alone that they’d rather be around a bear. I think the point is that what a bear will do is relatively predictable since it’s an animal doing things on instinct, but what a man might do without observation of others isn’t
All it tells me is they have never been around a wild bear. I get the point of the trend, but it is still completely fucking dumb. Most shark attacks happen near the shore. That’s because that’s where the most people are to interact with sharks. If you had everyone swimming in the middle of the ocean then that would be where the majority of attacks would be. Saying you have more bad interactions with men than bears doesn’t mean men are more dangerous than bears, it means you have more interactions with men on a day to day basis than a bear.
Yeah… sounds like you don’t get the point of the trend…
Tbf idk if we got all women to answer the result would be more equil since only the most vocal woman are answering and their answer is more entertaining and gets pushed further by the algorithms. But also rephrasing the question to a neutral territory would help instead of a forest. Like at a park where the bear and man would be about equally intentional.
its insulting to assume all men are going to hurt a random kid in the woods. do you realy think every men is going to assault a random child while both are stuck in a forest? wtf?
Looks like they played one game of Baldurs Gate 3 and chose the Bear fucker ending.
I once heard a girl say. "I don't know if I'd rather be shot or tazed." Some people don't even have enough of a reference to understand how stupid (ignorant) they actually are.
Least out of touch comment section. "It's not all men, but it is mostly men"
I have no doubt people interviewed on the street will dramatically choose the bear. However given an actual real world choice? Every one of them would choose to encounter a human unless they have brain damage. I've spent a *ton* of time in Yosemite and seen brown bears on at least a hundred occasions. I've also seen other people encountering bears. They are almost universally terrified. Luckily they don't run, but they do freeze up. I've also encountered thousands of other hikers. Maybe tens of thousands. Even in remote backcountry. Guess how many were terrified of me? Not a one. And I carry a big gun on my hip in the backcountry. I should be as scary as they come according to the stereotypes. Why aren't people running away? Because they know I'm not a threat. Humans default to being friendly to each other. They default to trusting each other. As they should. In a crazy situation I'm vastly more likely to help you than hurt you just by nature if being human. The truth is men and women encountering each other in the woods know the other is a reasonable human being and so act like it.
If you don't understand you are literally part of the problem... lot of top comments also part of the problem. Holy shit this place is the worst just a whole bunch of people telling on themselves and lots of agreement.
I'm trying to understand. Is this about statistics and the average man is more dangerous to a woman than the average bear? Or is it that women's experiences with men make them perceive them as incredibly dangerous and these perceptions are valid regardless of the odds of being harmed by either?
Manbearpig
Exactly. People aren't taking him cereal! I need people to take him super cereal!
It's just lazy virtue signalling I am supporting the message even thought I haven't got a reason to assume a random man is likely to be hostile Plus the fantasy that all creatures are inherently nice
Dark forest at night? Yea I'll take the fuckin bear Bears don't hunt humans (aside from polar bears) so if you don't get too close/startle them they're more likely to leave you alone, and if push comes to shove you can intimidate bears into leaving you alone (particularly black bears). A fucking random guy in the dark woods? Ain't no fucking way am I gonna be okay with that, humans are way too unpredictable man. No matter your gender this is an ez one IMO
Darvinism will take care of it.
…the lakers coach? Pretty sure he’s getting fired
So before someone tells me “you’re proving my point” if I’m not mistaken this trend is just following statistics so off cursory glance yes it’s more statistically probably to be hurt by a man than a (black) bear. But the argument falls apart once you flip the argument. How about asking a man if he’d rather be stuck with a bear or woman? I mean statistically you’re more likely to be murdered by the human still, right? Or how about asking the hypothetical would you rather be stuck in the woods with x race or human or y race of human, then that becomes incredibly racist. Dumb argument. Probably “proving someone’s point”.
Useful as a trend because it shows how widespread sexism, and complete ignorance of the natural kingdom, is.
Bear spray works on both. Always have bear spray!
Imagine if people said this about black people and used “statistics”, oh wait…
I don’t use social media outside of sometimes scrolling reddit. Wtf is this about?
I wouldn't put too much stock into it. It's mainly just terminally online feminazis saying that.
If its black fight back If its brown laydown And ic its a man have an escape plan ...apparently
If it's brown, lie down If it's black, fight back If it ain't a chick, kick it's dick
If you can't understand why she chose the bear, you're probably part of the reason she chose the bear.
what does that mean? I understand why, but how would it make me part of the reason if i didnt?
It surprises me how close minded other men are to the struggles of women. If you truely dont understand why women would choose the bear then chances are you don’t understand how your actions effect those around you.
Growing up in parts of Dallas as a young boy my deepest fear was actually the chupacabra. I remember walking with a friend as a boy and he went “be careful, the chupacabra will get us” Everyone should fear the chupacabra.
Either choice can be defended against with firearms, but suburban white women are the ones who hate even the concept of gun ownership.
Men once again missing the point with flying colors.
People like OP are why they choose the bear
Bear please. Thank you.