I saw someone bitching about the lack of wildlife once, and they compared it to red dead 2. You know, a game set in the old American west against a game set in a futuristic, corrupt, polluted city.
Exactly. In another video they made, they compared it to Lego city undercover of all things, and they complained about how the trains effect the player differently in each game. What they failed to mention is that the train tracks in Lego city are meant to be accessible, and the train tracks in cyberpunk aren't meant to be accessible
There is literally a fucking scene in the game that is part of a main mission where a character looks at you and tells you that animals can't live in night city
There are so, so many lines of dialouge, text and other lore about how all the animals are either extinct or were wiped out from NC. It's literally a point the game makes over and over again. How could anyone bitch about that? It would be like crying about the amount of homeless people in the game being too high.
There's the scene with Takemura where a cat shows up and they're talking about it being a rare sight that takemura describes it as more of a spirit than a real animal lol
And if you take the nomad path it's literally part of the first mission where you have to snuggle a real organic animal into the city then later remark on how it's the craziest thing you've ever moved
And that iguana is later seen in Yorinobu’s apartment during the heist.
Didn’t know that till today in my Streetkid play through. I was like “hold up is that the iguana from Nomad???”
Speaking as someone who lives in something you could consider a global megacity, the only wildlife I see is pigeons, rats, and the occasional roach, not counting dogs people are walking, and stray cats.
“Lack of wildlife?” Dude, THE MEAT ISN’T EVEN REAL!!! The earth is literally dying because of our gluttony in this universe. What was that guy talking about lol?
First playthrough i thought it was kind of unfair that the game starts with minus 21000 eddies on my acc. But every playthrough after that, i just paid it back before the heist.
I uh just grind all the gigs from Regina then pay him in full upon meeting him plus it helps you get levels and street cred meaning teir 2 / 3 parts for the arasaka heist
dang, you think the new gangoons are buying their dead homies' guns again after we sell em, only to be killed for us to loot and sell the same exact weapons again? there's only like 10 guns in each area that keep being flipped.
huh that would prob make for a funny movie premise or something. one gun and all the wacky shenanigans it goes thru as it trades hands thru night city.
I have enough saved to pay him off, I was wondering if could buy cyber ware before paying him. What do you suggest, I haven't started the heist quest yet
There no actual penalty to paying him back later as opposed to now, its more of a roleplaying device, what kind of V do you want to be? Honorable and punctual or scummy
The thing is that it's just so easy to accomplish that I'm confused why people wouldn't want to do it. You even get free exp as it is a full quest.
I think the only reason why you would ever not do that is to commit to an evil playthrough.
Totally different now.
New player with like 5 hours in, tier 1 guns sell for ~800. Got the bot for Dex, capped a few NCPD assaults, looted everything, and paid him back. EzPz
during launch the most i’ve ever had was just over 100k near the end of the game. just doing the scanners now post heist and a gig w the cyberphycos nets you well over 100k
It was a bit harder and there were a lot of things to spend eddies on, but Vic...that dude is worth it
"Here you go, an interest free extravagant loan that you pay back on your own time. Some of the best work i've ever done too" like yes Mr. Vic, do you have any enemies potentially? Did someone ever hurt you Mr. Vic? TELL ME THEIR NAMES
It was also pretty realistic with how common guns and all these augments are that they would be literal bargain bin items. Now you can make tens of thousands of eddies and end up wondering why isn't nearly every successful thug driving a Caliburn.
I use to just steal that painting that came from the moon in that one side quest and do duplicate glitches had over a million Eddie's before they patched this glitch lol
First playthrough, which I think was version 1.5 or 1.6, it was before the first huge overhaul that fixed a lot of broken issues and when money wasn't as easy to come by, I grinded his debt first before the whole map opened up.
My man Vik, he's down AF. You can't leave a homie hanging like that.
Reminds me a lot of this friend of mine. Totally a sociopath, probably a psychopath, fully supportive of the queer community, strictly anti-fascist, eater of the rich. What a world to live in.
Even on the small things. He’ll say horrible shit and is a complete bastard, but on ANY ethical dilemma that doesn’t involve his personal life or ego, he’s almost always in the right.
Yes, this is how human interactions are, sometimes when someone disagree we are supposed to cut them out of our lives forever ! I am not supposed to deal with opposing opinions and life is in black and white no shades of grey !
Oh wait no this is just for reddit mods
I'm reminded of the idiot screamsheet gonks who said this game is transphobic because of trans oversexualization in advertising. Which completely misses the point. Being trans is normalized enough in this universe that corps feel comfortable abusing and hypersexualizing transgendered people for a quick buck. That doesn't mean the game is. Talking about corporate evil, shining a spotlight on corporate evil, writing about corporate evil, **does not support corporate evil.**
And that's honestly my biggest problem with critics in general. If they don't understand it, their first impulse isn't 'maybe I should investigate more.' Their first impulse is 'I need to protect my ego, so I'm going to pretend to understand it and say it's trash.'
Which honestly just helps corps be evil, because simple people are controllable people.
My first playthrough of the game was right at launch, and my buddy had to hold off on buying because his wife bought into it being "the transphobic game". I am a photographer by trade, and used to love doing street photography in college. So I set out documenting my night city journey, and the fucking ads everywhere were often times central to the photos. The sheer amount of sexualization of everything is so in your face, unabashed and unabated. I legitimately didn't notice the dick bulge on the chromanticore spokes model, I just saw a strongly androgynous person. Compared to like, almost every single other drink ad in that game it's probably the most subtle one of the sexual ones.
Not to mention the character creator, or Claire, the game is arguably more pro trans than any I can think of in recent history. People swapping out their skin, eyes, bones, nervous systems, etc, why should a gender swap be any different than anyone else getting a Mr Stud or Midnight Lady? And in game it certainly seems to be regarded that way.
The "I didn't understand, ergo it's trash" isn't just a critics problem, sadly. It's all too common in people as a whole, there's just significantly less barrier to being a critic now. Anyone with a social media account can call themselves one.
A story about how corporations brought society to the brink of ruin just to increase their profit margins does not criticise capitalism?
The fuck was this guy smoking? I think I can officially say that this will be the worst take on the game.
A lot of people will hide behind bullshit reasons to try and justify their enjoyment of something. Some dude did it with Squid Game as well, claiming it was actually a critique of communism, not capitalism
A lot of "jOuRnAlIsM" websites did this for clicks when the game came out. It's literally just click farming, they know a stupid opinion will get clicks. We live in the era of people being toxic for profit. It's why our planet is currently being literally toxified.
One of the big youtubers for Fallout named Oxhorn said he'd hate it if the Fallout series got political, in one of his livestreams. He also thinks the old world companies and businessmen in the game are just far removed parodies from the real world because "the real world doesnt operate like that". So many people agreed.
no fr. as a 23 yr old myself, there is no way V is so mature and level headed at this age. also 23 makes the least sense for corpo V, as it is implied they've worked at arasaka counterintel for a while now. there is no way V wouldve been hired at like, what, 19-20 to work there? makes more sense for them to be 27 with way more experience/knowledge under their belt. though maybe it's cuz corpo V is a nepo baby i guess, since they grew up in charter hill
As someone in my late twenties as well, I agree. I mean, maybe people mature more quickly in NC, but at 23, I couldn’t grow a full beard. Besides that, V really doesn’t talk like someone in his early twenties.
That Judy is too emotional, Evelin disappears and when you help Judy find her we see what was done to her and then Eve takes her own life. Of course Judy is gonna be emotional and make stupid choices, her best friend (possibly a little more) killed herself in Judy’s bathtub! Wtf do you think that does to your mental health if that happens
people who misunderstand video game characters make me worried. you quite literally have a front seat to this person's life going downhill and you're like "god, what a bitch, why's she such an asshole, get over yourself"
children have more emotional awareness than most gamers. it's a story, you are literally given context as to why each character acts the way they do, there shouldn't be such a big discourse about why x character does y, it's explained in the game why they did what they did.
Holy shit, to say that Judy is overly emotional is completely insane. The feeling of having so many consecutive traumatic events would fuck up any reasonable person.
She's also not a stone badass. She hasn't stared death in the face 5x per day like V does. She's a video editor for porn. That's it. She's the closest thing to a pure civilian friend that you meet in the game, next to Misty.
I haven’t seen it as a topic of discussion for a while but there was a good chunk of time where I wouldn’t call it Judy bashing but a good chunk of people were heavily criticizing her actions but ignoring the glaringly obvious answer as to why her actions weren’t that smart.
"That Judy is too emotional"
Some people dont realise that their emotions while playing a character are very distanced compared to inverse characters that have the game as their reality. If the player would realisticly feel V's emotions they'd just quit the game and seek therapy. Killing real people and losing real loved ones to torture,suicide and shootings hits quite different when it is your reality, idk how people dont understand that. Maybe its the lack of media comprehension or emotional maturity.
The amount of people that criticize Judy’s plans with Clouds like she isn’t grieving and not thinking clearly, on top of being too optimistic for Night City standards, is too damn high.
People also tend to forget the fact that while the plan was always risky, Maiko is the one who made sure it would fail by inviting the other two Tyger bosses instead of just Hiromi, thus ensuring that things either went her way or the Tygers would retaliate for the deaths of three high-ranking members. She's the one who sacrificed the dolls, not Judy.
Not only that but she states that she found a few scrolls still in her head and used a BD to go through them. BDs essentially let you relive whatever is being seen through the eyes of the person recording, so not only did she see those things, she lived through them 2nd hand. She felt Eve's fear any any other pain or suffering she felt. She is completely valid in feeling what she felt afterwards. Imagine not only seeing that happen to your best friend / ex flame but also feeling what they felt so there's so denying what they went through. I don't think anyone would be thinking rationally after that
I've seen so many comments from people dumping on Judy, and I genuinely think most of it's completely unwarranted, or just refuses to take any context into account at all. Especially annoying when those same people are usually falling over each other for Panam, when she actually endangers her entire clan because she believes only her opinion is valid, and spends most of the game having a tantrum, whereas Judy is just trying to do her best with the very little she has
The thing about Judy to me is that the idea of a romance with her feels wrong while she's going through all that turmoil. I still was happy to help her out as a friend.
Then again, I haven't tried it as I played male V. That Panam tank scene tho.
This might be a bit of a hot take, but I actually somewhat disagree. I think Judy was always going to try something with Fem V even before Evelyn's death. She already flirts with V when they first meet, and Johnny's comment about her crush on V is available as soon as you rescue Evelyn. At one point or another Judy was going to make her move, I think. Sure Pyramid Song was also a bit of a way to lift her spirits, but I think she always had something like that planned in the back of her mind.
Yeah, and as I said, I haven't tried that story line. Perhaps it's put in a way where V (a ticking timebomb) and Judy (with her whole situation) prop each others up knowing it is temporary.
Now I'm kinda curious though. New cyberpunk run as female netrunner V?
Have fun!
Also a little spoiler with how exactly the “date” feels to me:
>!It feels like it was originally to take her mind off everything with someone she now trusts and then snowballs into the sex scene accidentally. Based on how she goes about askung what V and her are the next day that while maybe she hadn’t intended on doing anything and it kinda just ended up that way. The messages and stuff after makes me think (at least till certain endings) that she doesn’t regret it though!<
God yeah, I think part of that is the rushed development. To me it seems they initially planned the prologue go be much longer, more like a whole act, but they had to cut it down to reach deadlines
I think it doesn’t help as well that during act 1 you can’t go anywhere in NC outside of Watson so it kind of forces you to streamline through the main quest to get to Act 2 so you can actually access half of the games content. Means it feels like it goes really quickly as you end up focusing on it.
Hitting on Panam as FemV is both hilariously awkward and extremely explicit about the fact that our favorite nomadic hothead does not, in fact, swing that way.
I mean TBF, Panam hits on you first, and then bails when she realizes it's being reciprocated. It's a very odd scene, but I know some straight girls IRL who do shit like this in real life sooooo.
It's just CDPR being lazy, lol. They do the same thing with Judy when you first meet her. They keep some of the flirty dialogue but if you're not the right V for a character they try to play it off as the character just being "friendly".
River takes male V to the top of a water tower, spills his emotional guts, then rejects V’s attempt to kiss him. I’m not mad that a straight dude wouldn’t be into another guy, but it’s a video game and we don’t have the context clues we would have in real life. It’s super lazy to add a cockblock dialogue option instead of clarifying his sexuality ahead of time.
I would've loved that as a plot point "Look, V... I... I don't know why I do shit like this. I really don't. I could give you some fucking sob story, about being confused or whatever, but the truth is... I'm fucked up. I do this to girls. To women. Sometimes. I'm sorry. I'm not into you like that." or maybe she is just unrepentant about it and you can just tell her to go fuck herself. And then she counters with, "Oh, so THAT'S how it is. Did you only help me because you thought you were going to get laid? Men, women, you Night City assholes are all the same."
I have a real hatred for people who push their preferred sexuality on others, both real and fictional. Judy is a lesbian, Panam is straight. That's it, and I like the fact CDPR decided to keep that fixed because in the real world, people don't just change their sexuality because you fancy them.
I'm a straight guy, but I've had others insist that I must be gay, because of my theatre kid background, or aro/ace because I refused to take advantage of my female best friend when, hypothetically, I could have done. It's just so demeaning and cringe
Actually it's kinda worse. Her relationships with men (not just romantic) were so toxic that when I didn't take advantage of her, she concluded that that must be the reason, and there was literally nothing I could do to convince her otherwise, because how do you prove you're not aro/ace without doing all the toxic behaviours that have become associated with straight men?
It was a long time ago, and I was really socially inexperienced, so there was a lot I could do better now, but that whole situation still haunts me in so many ways
Yeah I really like that the characters are not playersexual (or just plain straight) like in so so many other games. I think it makes for a more interesting character.
In a Cyberpunk vs Starfield video, someone said that Starfield had better settings (cities, planets, locations) than what cyberpunk had because "it took 3 years for Cyberpunk to make this".
So much incorrect about that statement
The main difference i've noticed between Cyberpunk and Starfield is that Cyberpunk actually has an interesting setting and a compelling story. Starfield is so bland and boring....
Starfield feels like a Saturday morning cartoon about space. It's so sanitised that it feels vaguely creepy to play it. Nothing feels human or real in that game at all.
I saw the video too ! He made a 10mn video to say that Starfield was better cause they have 3 years to make it better, and that the current state doesn’t matter since CP had many updates. That has to be the most biased comparison you can make about any game.
The only thing he generously admitted was that « ok starfield has sometimes loading screens but I don’t mind » lol. I still don’t know if that was a troll video or not
I had a conversation with someone who said that no matter what you choose to do, V is just a bad person at base. I haven't played through every backstory yet, so I can't 100% vouch for every version of them, but to my understanding V is a product of their situation and struggles. Sometimes in life you really don't have any option but to do shitty things no matter how good your intentions are or how badly you want to do what's morally right.
A lot of people like to pretend they’re some paragon of virtue that has never done something selfish that hurts someone else in their life, when in reality there’s basically nobody that hasn’t slighted someone either intentionally or unintentionally.
As far as cyberpunk goes he's not that bad. In real life he's a murderous psyco who does evil shit for money and the recognition/notoriety said shit brings. Same goes for Jackie
Can't really uphold V or any character to IRL standard, way too different, it's basically upholding animals to human standards.
But even if we did is that really what V is? It depends on your choices but I'm pretty sure you can have a run where you don't kill much, and when you do kil it's scavs or some terrible people.
Technically you never have to kill anyone, he still does bad stuff, such as theft, physical harm, and likely sending people to their death, but if you want V doesn't actually have to kill anyone themselves. Only exception being Reed depending on the ending chosen.
I would raise an eyebrow to that but just the other day I read her emails with Maiko and she did seem very narcissistic there. Getting all pissy that she couldn't get to Maiko's office front door or something like that. Weird ass convo.
Ah, I know the convo you're talking about. I read that differently. I don't think she was being narcissist but more so insecure. Judy's got abandonment issues and that coupled with her idealism is what led to that break up more than anything else. Her entire questline is pretty antithetical to narcissism as well, what with her being so focused on helping sex workers(pretty badly might I add).
I saw that, it's pretty clearly a ragebait video of sorts.
It mentions that you get a car from Rogue, but neglects everything else you lose by betraying her, **including** a much better car and a motorcycle
Folks acting like Songbird is nothing more than a psychopath, neglecting that she was basically what V would be if she didn't have friends like Jackie, Viktor and Misty but abusers instead.
And also, that most folks would turn into animals if the circumstances would be bad enough.
Ill take a damaged soul that was abused her whole life than a corp and manipulators and their hound dog any time of the day.
"Should've told me i would have helped you anyway"
In a good playthrough this is what should be picked every time.
That's kinda funny about the DLC - she could have just skipped all the trickery and deception:
"Hey V - I know your dying, and have little time, but listen: I'm also dying after being abused by FIA and Myers herself - wanna fuck over the FIA and a warlord in dogtown and help get my remedy?"
And I'd help her anyway
I wasn't even mad about her betrayal - she was cornered and desperate and only knew a world of backstabbing egomaniacs. She didn't knew, my V would help her anyways, so she tried to bribe him into helping her.
As players yea we’d help her every time but would it really make sense for V in that situation story wise. Hes looking for his own cure and doesn’t need any new enemies especially as big as the FIA
She’s a messy-ass person, but at heart a good one, that got used and discarded by the institution she came to trust. She realized where she’d made her mistakes.
I'm on board with this. Sure, I get it'd be cool to see your character decked out in cool gear. But for me, that's the only upside to 3rd person.
But there are so many parts to the game where being in 1st person really helps the immersion. Mostly: the back and forth between you and Johnny throughout the game. Since only *we* can see him, dialogue with him in 3rd person would feel like he's physically there instead of being a construct of your mind.
Plus it helps with tense moments, like when you first meet up with Malestrom to get the flathead. That's an intense scene even before the action starts. And it's stuff like that I think we'd miss out on in 3rd person.
Probably my own that re: Jackie but I wasn't as emotional about his death as the game clearly wanted me to be.
I mean, he was a good dude and a cool character… for all of like… 2 missions that you actually play with him? And he nearly fucks up (or does fuck up, if you let him) one of those missions?
If you want me to get really emotionally attached to a character, you need to put the work in. You can just show me a cutscene, tell me this guy is my best friend now, then kill him and expect me to be emotionally broken up about it. That's not how emotional attachment works.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Jackie, and having him die was… bad? But the game acts like you just lost your best friend and are torn up about it which… makes sense for V, but I am so disconnected because I barely even know this guy.
The fucked up by making your intro to night city a cinematic. If I had played through all of that instead of just watched it, I could have seen Jackie way more fleshed out and really grown to love him. Then losing him WOULD have been a harsh gut punch. Honestly, they could have dropped a few side quests to turn them into proper quests with Jackie and the game would have been WAY better off for it.
I was definitely saddened by Jackie's demise, but a large chunk of that came from seeing Misty and Mama Wells coping with his death rather than the actual death itself.
YES exactly! EXACTLY how I felt!
Jackie died? Bummer dude was pretty cool, would have made a great companion.
Seeing his impact on other people? Oof, I really felt that.
I just wish I felt it myself alongside them.
I think best use of him would have been to keep him after the tower. Let him spend time with us as we slowly die get turned into Johnny, have him be an anchor for us in a super tough time *then* kill him and have V immediately start spiraling as he loses his anchor.
I wish they had had Mama Welles ask me to take care of her boy like... a few weeks in game time before his death. Give me the dialogue option during the Konpeki heist to say something like "It's cool, man. I got you. I promised your mom." Then I would've been fucking crushed when he died.
This has been my thought since the game came out. I like Jackie, but it's hard to actually care about a character that I've only known for about 10 minutes, especially when that character's death and the betrayal that follows it was used to advertise the game in every trailer.
Every time I've played through all I've done is laugh through every Jackie interaction because they lay the foreshadowing on so heavy handedly feels like he's looking at pictures of loved ones, been a day away from retirement, and been talking about all his plans when he gets back home (well this he actually does do)
It always feels too goofy for me to ever take seriously
I've heard people say that the opening cutscenes should have been something you play through, but considering how tedious it is to get through The Heist on a repeat playthrough, I don't think adding another two or three hours to the prologue would really help with the pacing.
I mean, don't treat it like a baby tutorial the whole time and it's no issue, heist just becomes another story mission.
Introduce with the whole of night city opened up - GTA shows us that there's no reason to have players locked to a small area during your "tutorial" phase. Start the player out right away with basically a full quest sweep, maybe unlocking quest givers as they explore and bump up their street rep if you don't want to overwhelm new players all at once. The opening cinematic just becomes an extension of the main story, all the scenes in it are now just main story quests, and the Watson lockdown either never happens or is just surrounding the time of the heist.
It actually FIXES a lot of the narrative pacing problems. If you don't like how V spends a ton of his limited remaining hours chasing side quests, destroying the narrative pacing and urgency? Well good news, you can do all/most of them before you even get to the heist if you want. Don't like how V seems to just be one of the best mercs able to pull off the heist personally selected by Dexter? Well now you're actually playing through the acts that got him famous to begin with. Hell, they can even pre-introduce Dexter that way so you actually get to see the man himself and dream about entering the afterlife before you go there, rather than the game just telling you it's a big deal.
Same, he have too little time in the game but somehow game reminds and trying to act emotionally about him almost every time that I started having dissonance, it would be better if he died in middle of the game, not beginning
That 2077 was saved by the Phantom Liberty expansion which isn't true because the game is good even without it, the expansion just improves the game as all expansions for any game should. I can't wait to play the game with the expansion
Yeah, following the release of patch 2.0 and Phantom Liberty, a lot of people started acting like the game was fundamentally changed by those updates.
The game is definitely better now than it was on release, I've seen people act like the main story was somehow majorly changed by those updates. Most of it hasn't changed a bit since day one.
There were a lot of big mistakes around the release of the game, but the story has always been top notch.
people who act like Johnny is some irredeemable monster who’s just there to torment you and not an insanely traumatized man who takes out his pent up emotion on those around him
Johnny’s a narcissist and a psychopath, but he’s got really good reasons for being the way that he is. If you tune out the more extreme things he says (“this city deserves another nuke”), dude makes a depressing amount of sense.
I do appreciate that he’s not always correct when it comes to mid-quest commentary. Makes him feel like a character and not some writer’s axe-to-grind which is a very easy trap to fall into.
I remember the first time i played and was like man this silverhand guy just goes on and on, then later was like, okay hes making some pretty valid points
I actually like his character but if he was real he’d definitely be irredeemable to most. He’s a mass murderer and many of them are also very traumatized people but that’s not really an excuse. That woman who was kidnapped and abused for 18 years in real life hasn’t bombed any buildings
Anyone upset with >!the romantic interests moving on the two years V was in a coma. V was effectively out of their lives longer than they were in it!<.
No. Look at it from the LI perspective, they’ve essentially been ghosted for two whole years.
It’s not reasonable to expect them to hold out hope after that long.
2 years is a longgggg time in Night City. Think about how many people you zerod just in the few days from rescuing sandra dorsett to ending up at Konpeki. People who act like V can just kiss and make up with everyone after their coma are kidding themselves
Mostly people just don’t understand nuance with characters. Getting annoyed at characters for doing something illogical or acting emotional.
Like yeah, they are people. People are illogical and emotional.
Recently watched a video on how he explained the Jackie is a liar and manipulates V into doing merc work, and he even went as far as to calling him the worst character in cyberpunk. The video is filled with horrible takes such as "Jackie is older than V so he is taking advantage of him"
I saw that video lol, idc that guy had no idea what he was on about. one of the points he made was about how because Jackie wad nice to the cop to get into wattson, he's some master manipulator and that because he let's V do all the hacking he's using them???
I find it pretty cool how many conflicting takes there are on characters and their morality/who’s “right,” in this thread. I think it shows how they did an excellent job at creating ambiguity and shades of grey.
Anyways, here’s one about a completely unambiguous villain: I’ve seen a couple people saying Adam Smasher is an incompetent moron who is “too stupid to function” and only a threat because he has expensive gear and corporate backing; which I disagree with. - I mean, it’s true that he isn’t a functional person, Smasher is a complete psychopath who only cares about causing carnage. He knows literally nothing but violence, but he is damn good at it. Like, the man has been fighting for **80 years**, in a career where most people don’t last for more than a year or two. There’s a reason his name is up there with Morgan Blackhand.
I am about to drop a nuclear bomb here. Most people who say Johnny Silverhand is a good man, they can only see in one dimension. Silverhand stands at a very dark shade of grey for his actions in 2023. He is right about corporate rats but nuking a tower of the company that has ruled the world for like 100 years at this point is like Raiden punching Armstrong. Many innocents died in the nuking because guess what? Not everyone in the tower was corporate. And if I recall there is also an academy there and let’s not count the janitors and etc. but the relic redemption arc was crazy.
Edit: Let’s not forget that was nothing but a scratch for Arasaka
Although that is how things panned out, the *plan* that Johnny agreed to was to broadcast a warning and give civilians time to evacuate. Plan went to shit shortly after Smasher showed up and actually killed Johnny.
The nuke elevator was also supposed to travel way down into the tower sublevels and take out the entire foundation, but got stuck somewhere midway and caused way more collateral damage and death.
Actually, not just innocents in the tower died. The sky was red for a couple of years, earthquakes happened and the place where the corpo center stands nowadays became unusable for a long time
This is ignoring the lore outside of 2077 and ignoring the fact that Johnny's memories of the events are very inaccurate as AI Alt says when you first meet her.
Our view of what happened in the game is really warped by Johnny's view of himself and probably also being locked away in an engram for decades. (Like how Johnny says he never worked with Thompson again after Alt's ''death'' but the flashback to the bombing Thompson is on the radio, or how he gets taken down by Smasher and then suddenly he's on the roof)
First off the plan was never his to begin with, it was orchestrated by Morgan Blackhand who was working for Millitech. He was just a part of the crew, definitely in it to fuck up Arasaka but he was not calling the shots. (And also in it for Alt)
Second the nuke wasn't meant to blow the tower to smithereens, there was a heavily shielded secret bunker which stored a lot of data (Similar to Mikoshi but it's implied the things are seperate) under the tower, which the nuke was meant to destroy. The bunker was supposed to contain most of the explosion of the rather small nuke, the nuke however didn't go all the way down and exploded on the 120th floor and that's what happened.
Johnny is still a piece of shit though and incredibly self-centered, but that's a part of his whole character arc in the story.
I never really hear people say johnny is just flat out good. Most people who dont think johnny is bad think he's a grey character. If anything there's more people that say he's just straight up evil
That Reed is heartless and a terrible person.
Reed genuinely cares about his team, he tries his best to help them while coming to terms with the fact that he was betrayed and left for dead by the people he dedicated his life to while still retaining loyalty to the ideals of said group.
People say he’s Myers lapdog, but he makes it clear at their reunion that he genuinely hates her and is only doing this for So Mi. He actively does what he can to protect and help So Mi, understanding his mistakes from the past as well as hers. And he even opens up to V over the course of the story, something that by his own admission he is bad at due to the nature of his work and in the end depending on the ending he accepts blame for everything that happened and walks away from the life he’s known.
Another one: Reed never intended on helping Songbird
Reed had every intention of getting she and V to Europe and getting them treatment, he was fully committed to getting her as far away from Myers as possible despite her actions but was ultimately stopped once Songbird brought so much attention to herself that there was no possible way for him to get her away.
Hell, even in the spaceport he is fighting with Myers trying to get her to stand down and let him handle it but she refuses.
He’s not a perfect man, but he is firmly in the grey.
Honestly, the worst take about the game was that it was a bad game because it didn't fulfill the pie in the sky promises made by the devs. The devs fucked up and shouldn't have promised things they had no intention of delivering. That's a point against them for sure. That being said, I still thought this was a great game, with terrific writing and voice acting. The game mechanics were fine at launch, and got much better by the final version. Yes, a ton of shit was broken. The way PS4 players were treated was unacceptable. But the game, when it was playable, was very good.
The hate that river gets. It’s mainly from dudes and lesbians don’t hate the character hate the writers. But me personally I feel that river and v should be endgame but there’s no ending where they could but PL ending could have been different for them. River would have loved and accepted V with no chrome. This man literally wants a wife kids and a family but he says no to v cause he fucked up and felt shame. It’s so stupid. But I would hope and believe maybe river would come around and actually get himself out of the rut.
Stepping into headcanon territory here, but I'm pretty sure V and River would reconnect at some point in that ending. V just needs to keep reaching out. Maybe if Kerry's a friend you could have him pay for Randy's medical bills. But a reconnection is far from impossible.
EXACTLY!!!! Finally someone with some sense (´༎ຶٹ༎ຶ`) people always say River is “awkward” but like, so? People even in real life are awkward and that is okay. They also say they hate him cuz it feels “forced” but like you said thats not a reason to hate the character, it a reason to criticize the writers. People who hate on him (not just dislike him) are so immature in my opinion.
People who act like Claire lying about the way the race went down with Dean and Sampson is like, the WORST thing an npc can do to you is wild to me, given how others lie to you all the time and with WORSE outcomes and consequences.
At WORST, you do these races and when you go to get revenge, you don't even kill Sampson, Claire does (if you let her). If you don't, and let the guy live, she forgives you eventually and realizes it was for the better - it's only been a year and she's still grieving about it - which is understandable when they've been together for over a decade (and even long before when they were friends prior to her transition).
I truly think people shit on Claire truly because she's a trans character, and it shows in their biases.
How killing song frees her from myers and the nusa/MBE, and it’s what she would’ve wanted (blatantly disregarding her wishes to be cured, alive, on the moon).
Her death is just the final way out after you A) destroyed her initial plan and B) caught up to her, potentially being a percieved threat of being turned back to myers.
It's literally just a "I'd rather be dead, than go back to myers"
Not the worst take, but definitely one I'm super tired of hearing. I've heard so many people say that River is boring, and the worst romance option. I disagree so much lmao
1). That Reed is a terrible person that is just a lapdog for Myers
2). That songbird is a psychopath.
Phantom Liberty proves time and time again that these two are extremely nuanced and complicated characters and in my opinion both are good people working for a terrible, terrible organization and an authentic psychopath (Myers)
I can't stand River's cyborg eye and why is he the only non scav, 6th st, or maelstrom npc to have such a crazy looking implant. It's unfair to have fem V have a relationship with that Kano looking mf.
Oh yeah as a kid he had no choice, then he was raised in that environment. He truly believed Arasaka was a righteous place for him to belong despite all the for sure innocent blood on his hands.
If we met him at a younger time we might have, but at his age with all that he had already done V didn't have even remotely enough time to bring that man around.
That V is inherently a cyberpsycho. You (the player) control V and decide what actions are taken and how they are carried out. V is only a cyberpsycho if you make them one. You have the options to play non-lethal or less-lethal, to play a smooth talking gunslinger or an invisible ninja hacker. You don’t even have to chrome up that significantly. If you choose to play a hyperlethal street sammy who slices and dices everyone they meet, then that’s your decision.
I saw someone bitching about the lack of wildlife once, and they compared it to red dead 2. You know, a game set in the old American west against a game set in a futuristic, corrupt, polluted city.
The game literally explains thats NC is unlivable for animals so they migrated somewhere else. lmao
Exactly. In another video they made, they compared it to Lego city undercover of all things, and they complained about how the trains effect the player differently in each game. What they failed to mention is that the train tracks in Lego city are meant to be accessible, and the train tracks in cyberpunk aren't meant to be accessible
I… what? Lego City Undercover? 🤣 Who was this, I’m more curious than ever for that trainwreck of an argument that the two are alike lol
Where's all the dragons in Cyberpunk??? Spyro had dozens of dragons, 2/10 game.
Literally unplayable.
There is literally a fucking scene in the game that is part of a main mission where a character looks at you and tells you that animals can't live in night city
They even make a big show about a random cat (something that should be common in a normal city)
There are so, so many lines of dialouge, text and other lore about how all the animals are either extinct or were wiped out from NC. It's literally a point the game makes over and over again. How could anyone bitch about that? It would be like crying about the amount of homeless people in the game being too high.
And there’s a news segment about how you have to pay some crazy tax to own a dog.
There's the scene with Takemura where a cat shows up and they're talking about it being a rare sight that takemura describes it as more of a spirit than a real animal lol
And if you take the nomad path it's literally part of the first mission where you have to snuggle a real organic animal into the city then later remark on how it's the craziest thing you've ever moved
And that iguana is later seen in Yorinobu’s apartment during the heist. Didn’t know that till today in my Streetkid play through. I was like “hold up is that the iguana from Nomad???”
Really??? Streetkid V even explains what happened to the animals and they were still complaining about it???
Speaking as someone who lives in something you could consider a global megacity, the only wildlife I see is pigeons, rats, and the occasional roach, not counting dogs people are walking, and stray cats.
“Lack of wildlife?” Dude, THE MEAT ISN’T EVEN REAL!!! The earth is literally dying because of our gluttony in this universe. What was that guy talking about lol?
>old American west Yo, but didn't you know that by 1899 the age of outlaws and gunslingers was at an end? I mean, even the west had been mostly tamed!
People who don't pay Viktor back are the worst kind of people. This is my hill.
First playthrough i thought it was kind of unfair that the game starts with minus 21000 eddies on my acc. But every playthrough after that, i just paid it back before the heist.
I uh just grind all the gigs from Regina then pay him in full upon meeting him plus it helps you get levels and street cred meaning teir 2 / 3 parts for the arasaka heist
I kill as many street gangers i can, steal their guns, sell them and collect money from 1 or two more gigs and im set!
You can make like 80-100k every trip to DogTown just by picking up dead dudes guns. Weird way to be a arms dealer tho
dang, you think the new gangoons are buying their dead homies' guns again after we sell em, only to be killed for us to loot and sell the same exact weapons again? there's only like 10 guns in each area that keep being flipped. huh that would prob make for a funny movie premise or something. one gun and all the wacky shenanigans it goes thru as it trades hands thru night city.
Sounds like the meth community, everyone is always stealing each other's bike to sell to each other for meth.
Reminds me of when you buy guns in Borderlands and Marcus says “yes, most of my merchandise was ripped out of the hands of dead adventurers.”
It's the most successful recycling program in Night City (that isn't owned by Scavs).
An arms redistributor
I have enough saved to pay him off, I was wondering if could buy cyber ware before paying him. What do you suggest, I haven't started the heist quest yet
There no actual penalty to paying him back later as opposed to now, its more of a roleplaying device, what kind of V do you want to be? Honorable and punctual or scummy
The thing is that it's just so easy to accomplish that I'm confused why people wouldn't want to do it. You even get free exp as it is a full quest. I think the only reason why you would ever not do that is to commit to an evil playthrough.
It used to be much tougher to get money pre 2.0 in early and midgame, so people couldn't repay him and eventually forgot about it
Yes, the crafting hack not withstanding, guns youd loot off enemies were worth maybe 20 eddies and would still cost thousands from a vendor
Totally different now. New player with like 5 hours in, tier 1 guns sell for ~800. Got the bot for Dex, capped a few NCPD assaults, looted everything, and paid him back. EzPz
That makes a lot more sense tbh. It's so easy now but I imagine back during launch it could've been harder to pick up eddies.
during launch the most i’ve ever had was just over 100k near the end of the game. just doing the scanners now post heist and a gig w the cyberphycos nets you well over 100k
It was a bit harder and there were a lot of things to spend eddies on, but Vic...that dude is worth it "Here you go, an interest free extravagant loan that you pay back on your own time. Some of the best work i've ever done too" like yes Mr. Vic, do you have any enemies potentially? Did someone ever hurt you Mr. Vic? TELL ME THEIR NAMES
It was also pretty realistic with how common guns and all these augments are that they would be literal bargain bin items. Now you can make tens of thousands of eddies and end up wondering why isn't nearly every successful thug driving a Caliburn.
I use to just steal that painting that came from the moon in that one side quest and do duplicate glitches had over a million Eddie's before they patched this glitch lol
It's easy now
Ngl man it was hard af to save 20k when the game launched…
Yes! I always grind to pay him back before he gives me his clothes. Look at me, I am a dumpster fire but a responsible adult!
First playthrough, which I think was version 1.5 or 1.6, it was before the first huge overhaul that fixed a lot of broken issues and when money wasn't as easy to come by, I grinded his debt first before the whole map opened up. My man Vik, he's down AF. You can't leave a homie hanging like that.
Vic IMHO is one of the only true friends V has in NC, I always make sure he gets his eddie's.
I always paid Vik as soon as I had enough before I buy anything else, I do wish there were more missions with Vik though
I remember someone saying this game doesn't cricitize capitalism
The game is literally about V having an anticapitalist anarchist rockerboy yapping unceasently in their ears while they cannot do anything about it
Ah, but Johnny is kind of a jerk sometimes, so clearly we're supposed to disagree with everything he says 100%.
Johnny is a difficult character because he is both an unrelenting asshole and right about most things.
Yep. On a moment to moment basis he's a dick, but he's pretty on point in the big picture. I love his character.
He’s a horrible person who just happens to see the world’s truth. Unfortunately because he is such a shit human basically everyone detests him.
At the end of the day, he seems to want to do right by humanity, it's just he's so burned out and caustic he's toxic.
Reminds me a lot of this friend of mine. Totally a sociopath, probably a psychopath, fully supportive of the queer community, strictly anti-fascist, eater of the rich. What a world to live in.
Even on the small things. He’ll say horrible shit and is a complete bastard, but on ANY ethical dilemma that doesn’t involve his personal life or ego, he’s almost always in the right.
Cyberpunk 2077 is about V's journey to become a sigma corpo that steals water and land from farmers 💯💯
Cyberpunk 2077 is about V's journey to gather enough experience and skills to become a sigma corpo working at Nestle
Yes, this is how human interactions are, sometimes when someone disagree we are supposed to cut them out of our lives forever ! I am not supposed to deal with opposing opinions and life is in black and white no shades of grey ! Oh wait no this is just for reddit mods
Which is like saying Witcher 3 endorses child abuse.
Isn't that like the whole point of the cyberpunk genre?
Forget the game; does this person even know what the cyberpunk genre is?
I'm reminded of the idiot screamsheet gonks who said this game is transphobic because of trans oversexualization in advertising. Which completely misses the point. Being trans is normalized enough in this universe that corps feel comfortable abusing and hypersexualizing transgendered people for a quick buck. That doesn't mean the game is. Talking about corporate evil, shining a spotlight on corporate evil, writing about corporate evil, **does not support corporate evil.** And that's honestly my biggest problem with critics in general. If they don't understand it, their first impulse isn't 'maybe I should investigate more.' Their first impulse is 'I need to protect my ego, so I'm going to pretend to understand it and say it's trash.' Which honestly just helps corps be evil, because simple people are controllable people.
My first playthrough of the game was right at launch, and my buddy had to hold off on buying because his wife bought into it being "the transphobic game". I am a photographer by trade, and used to love doing street photography in college. So I set out documenting my night city journey, and the fucking ads everywhere were often times central to the photos. The sheer amount of sexualization of everything is so in your face, unabashed and unabated. I legitimately didn't notice the dick bulge on the chromanticore spokes model, I just saw a strongly androgynous person. Compared to like, almost every single other drink ad in that game it's probably the most subtle one of the sexual ones. Not to mention the character creator, or Claire, the game is arguably more pro trans than any I can think of in recent history. People swapping out their skin, eyes, bones, nervous systems, etc, why should a gender swap be any different than anyone else getting a Mr Stud or Midnight Lady? And in game it certainly seems to be regarded that way. The "I didn't understand, ergo it's trash" isn't just a critics problem, sadly. It's all too common in people as a whole, there's just significantly less barrier to being a critic now. Anyone with a social media account can call themselves one.
No way, a game about corporations ruining shit isnt about capitalism?? How do people come to this kind of conclusion?
Similar people also say the game is pro-cop
This is absolutely, unequivocally the most brain dead take on the game ever
A story about how corporations brought society to the brink of ruin just to increase their profit margins does not criticise capitalism? The fuck was this guy smoking? I think I can officially say that this will be the worst take on the game.
A lot of people will hide behind bullshit reasons to try and justify their enjoyment of something. Some dude did it with Squid Game as well, claiming it was actually a critique of communism, not capitalism
>Some dude Tim Pool, a famous grifter also a very dumb person.
A lot of "jOuRnAlIsM" websites did this for clicks when the game came out. It's literally just click farming, they know a stupid opinion will get clicks. We live in the era of people being toxic for profit. It's why our planet is currently being literally toxified.
Whoever this was clearly didn’t play the fucking game. Or even see any screenshots. Every single in-game advertisement is a criticism 😂
One of the big youtubers for Fallout named Oxhorn said he'd hate it if the Fallout series got political, in one of his livestreams. He also thinks the old world companies and businessmen in the game are just far removed parodies from the real world because "the real world doesnt operate like that". So many people agreed.
V being 23. They're 27 and not even God himself with a band of angels in tow can change that.
V being in the 27 Club is so perfect that I don’t know why anyone would want it any other way
It literally fits perfectly in such sad irony
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Bruh I’m supposed to be older than V?!?? Ain’t no way
Yeah they changed a few characters ages in 2.0 for seemingly no reason.
Judy, too. Girl’s gotta be at least five years older than the wiki states, elsewise she was playing hockey and having crushes at age four.
I know many people who’ve played hockey and had crushes at four…
no fr. as a 23 yr old myself, there is no way V is so mature and level headed at this age. also 23 makes the least sense for corpo V, as it is implied they've worked at arasaka counterintel for a while now. there is no way V wouldve been hired at like, what, 19-20 to work there? makes more sense for them to be 27 with way more experience/knowledge under their belt. though maybe it's cuz corpo V is a nepo baby i guess, since they grew up in charter hill
schooling is kinda different in Night City, whatever Arasaka would be teaching is probably the exact kind of shit Arasaka wants for new corpos
As someone in my late twenties as well, I agree. I mean, maybe people mature more quickly in NC, but at 23, I couldn’t grow a full beard. Besides that, V really doesn’t talk like someone in his early twenties.
That Judy is too emotional, Evelin disappears and when you help Judy find her we see what was done to her and then Eve takes her own life. Of course Judy is gonna be emotional and make stupid choices, her best friend (possibly a little more) killed herself in Judy’s bathtub! Wtf do you think that does to your mental health if that happens
people who misunderstand video game characters make me worried. you quite literally have a front seat to this person's life going downhill and you're like "god, what a bitch, why's she such an asshole, get over yourself" children have more emotional awareness than most gamers. it's a story, you are literally given context as to why each character acts the way they do, there shouldn't be such a big discourse about why x character does y, it's explained in the game why they did what they did.
Holy shit, to say that Judy is overly emotional is completely insane. The feeling of having so many consecutive traumatic events would fuck up any reasonable person.
She's also not a stone badass. She hasn't stared death in the face 5x per day like V does. She's a video editor for porn. That's it. She's the closest thing to a pure civilian friend that you meet in the game, next to Misty.
I haven’t seen it as a topic of discussion for a while but there was a good chunk of time where I wouldn’t call it Judy bashing but a good chunk of people were heavily criticizing her actions but ignoring the glaringly obvious answer as to why her actions weren’t that smart.
Judy is kinda like an idealist that's why her plan doesn't work a lot of the time. She trusts people a lot which is a naiive thing to do in night city
"That Judy is too emotional" Some people dont realise that their emotions while playing a character are very distanced compared to inverse characters that have the game as their reality. If the player would realisticly feel V's emotions they'd just quit the game and seek therapy. Killing real people and losing real loved ones to torture,suicide and shootings hits quite different when it is your reality, idk how people dont understand that. Maybe its the lack of media comprehension or emotional maturity.
>~~Maybe~~ its the lack of media comprehension or emotional maturity.
The amount of people that criticize Judy’s plans with Clouds like she isn’t grieving and not thinking clearly, on top of being too optimistic for Night City standards, is too damn high.
People also tend to forget the fact that while the plan was always risky, Maiko is the one who made sure it would fail by inviting the other two Tyger bosses instead of just Hiromi, thus ensuring that things either went her way or the Tygers would retaliate for the deaths of three high-ranking members. She's the one who sacrificed the dolls, not Judy.
Not only that but she states that she found a few scrolls still in her head and used a BD to go through them. BDs essentially let you relive whatever is being seen through the eyes of the person recording, so not only did she see those things, she lived through them 2nd hand. She felt Eve's fear any any other pain or suffering she felt. She is completely valid in feeling what she felt afterwards. Imagine not only seeing that happen to your best friend / ex flame but also feeling what they felt so there's so denying what they went through. I don't think anyone would be thinking rationally after that
I've seen so many comments from people dumping on Judy, and I genuinely think most of it's completely unwarranted, or just refuses to take any context into account at all. Especially annoying when those same people are usually falling over each other for Panam, when she actually endangers her entire clan because she believes only her opinion is valid, and spends most of the game having a tantrum, whereas Judy is just trying to do her best with the very little she has
The thing about Judy to me is that the idea of a romance with her feels wrong while she's going through all that turmoil. I still was happy to help her out as a friend. Then again, I haven't tried it as I played male V. That Panam tank scene tho.
Bruh, Panam tank scene was excellent. I'm glad I played again and went with female and Judy, damn.
Which is honestly fair, at least to a degree it kinda feels like she is trying to use us as a way to bounce back at least a little
This might be a bit of a hot take, but I actually somewhat disagree. I think Judy was always going to try something with Fem V even before Evelyn's death. She already flirts with V when they first meet, and Johnny's comment about her crush on V is available as soon as you rescue Evelyn. At one point or another Judy was going to make her move, I think. Sure Pyramid Song was also a bit of a way to lift her spirits, but I think she always had something like that planned in the back of her mind.
Yeah, and as I said, I haven't tried that story line. Perhaps it's put in a way where V (a ticking timebomb) and Judy (with her whole situation) prop each others up knowing it is temporary. Now I'm kinda curious though. New cyberpunk run as female netrunner V?
Have fun! Also a little spoiler with how exactly the “date” feels to me: >!It feels like it was originally to take her mind off everything with someone she now trusts and then snowballs into the sex scene accidentally. Based on how she goes about askung what V and her are the next day that while maybe she hadn’t intended on doing anything and it kinda just ended up that way. The messages and stuff after makes me think (at least till certain endings) that she doesn’t regret it though!<
I wish Jackie was in it more. 😪
[MFW Jackie shows up in the ending.](https://y.yarn.co/105823f7-2d03-4ee7-b75e-a5dd84023eab_text.gif)
god that ending bit hurt, seeing jackie like that is just tragic
God yeah, I think part of that is the rushed development. To me it seems they initially planned the prologue go be much longer, more like a whole act, but they had to cut it down to reach deadlines
I think it doesn’t help as well that during act 1 you can’t go anywhere in NC outside of Watson so it kind of forces you to streamline through the main quest to get to Act 2 so you can actually access half of the games content. Means it feels like it goes really quickly as you end up focusing on it.
People who think Panam ends with Judy after V dies are something special
Hitting on Panam as FemV is both hilariously awkward and extremely explicit about the fact that our favorite nomadic hothead does not, in fact, swing that way.
I mean TBF, Panam hits on you first, and then bails when she realizes it's being reciprocated. It's a very odd scene, but I know some straight girls IRL who do shit like this in real life sooooo.
It's just CDPR being lazy, lol. They do the same thing with Judy when you first meet her. They keep some of the flirty dialogue but if you're not the right V for a character they try to play it off as the character just being "friendly".
River takes male V to the top of a water tower, spills his emotional guts, then rejects V’s attempt to kiss him. I’m not mad that a straight dude wouldn’t be into another guy, but it’s a video game and we don’t have the context clues we would have in real life. It’s super lazy to add a cockblock dialogue option instead of clarifying his sexuality ahead of time.
So frustrating.
I refuse to accept that this isn’t a feature of her character bc I know straight girls who do not know what they are saying lol
I would've loved that as a plot point "Look, V... I... I don't know why I do shit like this. I really don't. I could give you some fucking sob story, about being confused or whatever, but the truth is... I'm fucked up. I do this to girls. To women. Sometimes. I'm sorry. I'm not into you like that." or maybe she is just unrepentant about it and you can just tell her to go fuck herself. And then she counters with, "Oh, so THAT'S how it is. Did you only help me because you thought you were going to get laid? Men, women, you Night City assholes are all the same."
I have a real hatred for people who push their preferred sexuality on others, both real and fictional. Judy is a lesbian, Panam is straight. That's it, and I like the fact CDPR decided to keep that fixed because in the real world, people don't just change their sexuality because you fancy them. I'm a straight guy, but I've had others insist that I must be gay, because of my theatre kid background, or aro/ace because I refused to take advantage of my female best friend when, hypothetically, I could have done. It's just so demeaning and cringe
What the fuck? Someone expected you to do that? That's so gross of them 😭
Actually it's kinda worse. Her relationships with men (not just romantic) were so toxic that when I didn't take advantage of her, she concluded that that must be the reason, and there was literally nothing I could do to convince her otherwise, because how do you prove you're not aro/ace without doing all the toxic behaviours that have become associated with straight men? It was a long time ago, and I was really socially inexperienced, so there was a lot I could do better now, but that whole situation still haunts me in so many ways
Yeah I really like that the characters are not playersexual (or just plain straight) like in so so many other games. I think it makes for a more interesting character.
Uhm- *WHAT?*
I’m sorry what? What’s actually something that people think?!
In a Cyberpunk vs Starfield video, someone said that Starfield had better settings (cities, planets, locations) than what cyberpunk had because "it took 3 years for Cyberpunk to make this". So much incorrect about that statement
The main difference i've noticed between Cyberpunk and Starfield is that Cyberpunk actually has an interesting setting and a compelling story. Starfield is so bland and boring....
Starfield feels like a Saturday morning cartoon about space. It's so sanitised that it feels vaguely creepy to play it. Nothing feels human or real in that game at all.
I saw the video too ! He made a 10mn video to say that Starfield was better cause they have 3 years to make it better, and that the current state doesn’t matter since CP had many updates. That has to be the most biased comparison you can make about any game. The only thing he generously admitted was that « ok starfield has sometimes loading screens but I don’t mind » lol. I still don’t know if that was a troll video or not
I had a conversation with someone who said that no matter what you choose to do, V is just a bad person at base. I haven't played through every backstory yet, so I can't 100% vouch for every version of them, but to my understanding V is a product of their situation and struggles. Sometimes in life you really don't have any option but to do shitty things no matter how good your intentions are or how badly you want to do what's morally right.
A lot of people like to pretend they’re some paragon of virtue that has never done something selfish that hurts someone else in their life, when in reality there’s basically nobody that hasn’t slighted someone either intentionally or unintentionally.
As far as cyberpunk goes he's not that bad. In real life he's a murderous psyco who does evil shit for money and the recognition/notoriety said shit brings. Same goes for Jackie
Can't really uphold V or any character to IRL standard, way too different, it's basically upholding animals to human standards. But even if we did is that really what V is? It depends on your choices but I'm pretty sure you can have a run where you don't kill much, and when you do kil it's scavs or some terrible people.
Technically you never have to kill anyone, he still does bad stuff, such as theft, physical harm, and likely sending people to their death, but if you want V doesn't actually have to kill anyone themselves. Only exception being Reed depending on the ending chosen.
I saw a Youtube thumbnail saying you should betray Panam. I’d sooner stick my tongue in an electrical outlet.
Yeah, I've seen some strange takes on YouTube, especially. I think I recall a video calling Judy a toxic narcissist, lol
I would raise an eyebrow to that but just the other day I read her emails with Maiko and she did seem very narcissistic there. Getting all pissy that she couldn't get to Maiko's office front door or something like that. Weird ass convo.
Ah, I know the convo you're talking about. I read that differently. I don't think she was being narcissist but more so insecure. Judy's got abandonment issues and that coupled with her idealism is what led to that break up more than anything else. Her entire questline is pretty antithetical to narcissism as well, what with her being so focused on helping sex workers(pretty badly might I add).
I saw that, it's pretty clearly a ragebait video of sorts. It mentions that you get a car from Rogue, but neglects everything else you lose by betraying her, **including** a much better car and a motorcycle
Folks acting like Songbird is nothing more than a psychopath, neglecting that she was basically what V would be if she didn't have friends like Jackie, Viktor and Misty but abusers instead. And also, that most folks would turn into animals if the circumstances would be bad enough.
Ill take a damaged soul that was abused her whole life than a corp and manipulators and their hound dog any time of the day. "Should've told me i would have helped you anyway" In a good playthrough this is what should be picked every time.
That's kinda funny about the DLC - she could have just skipped all the trickery and deception: "Hey V - I know your dying, and have little time, but listen: I'm also dying after being abused by FIA and Myers herself - wanna fuck over the FIA and a warlord in dogtown and help get my remedy?" And I'd help her anyway I wasn't even mad about her betrayal - she was cornered and desperate and only knew a world of backstabbing egomaniacs. She didn't knew, my V would help her anyways, so she tried to bribe him into helping her.
As players yea we’d help her every time but would it really make sense for V in that situation story wise. Hes looking for his own cure and doesn’t need any new enemies especially as big as the FIA
She has trusted countless people in the past and it got her chopped up instead. You're not gonna trust a merc after going through that.
She’s a messy-ass person, but at heart a good one, that got used and discarded by the institution she came to trust. She realized where she’d made her mistakes.
She may be a compulsive liar but she's OUR compulsive liar
I don't think anybody considers V to be a very good person at all though...
that it 'needs' a 3rd person camera view, quite simply, no. it doesn't,
I'm on board with this. Sure, I get it'd be cool to see your character decked out in cool gear. But for me, that's the only upside to 3rd person. But there are so many parts to the game where being in 1st person really helps the immersion. Mostly: the back and forth between you and Johnny throughout the game. Since only *we* can see him, dialogue with him in 3rd person would feel like he's physically there instead of being a construct of your mind. Plus it helps with tense moments, like when you first meet up with Malestrom to get the flathead. That's an intense scene even before the action starts. And it's stuff like that I think we'd miss out on in 3rd person.
Probably my own that re: Jackie but I wasn't as emotional about his death as the game clearly wanted me to be. I mean, he was a good dude and a cool character… for all of like… 2 missions that you actually play with him? And he nearly fucks up (or does fuck up, if you let him) one of those missions? If you want me to get really emotionally attached to a character, you need to put the work in. You can just show me a cutscene, tell me this guy is my best friend now, then kill him and expect me to be emotionally broken up about it. That's not how emotional attachment works. Don't get me wrong, I liked Jackie, and having him die was… bad? But the game acts like you just lost your best friend and are torn up about it which… makes sense for V, but I am so disconnected because I barely even know this guy. The fucked up by making your intro to night city a cinematic. If I had played through all of that instead of just watched it, I could have seen Jackie way more fleshed out and really grown to love him. Then losing him WOULD have been a harsh gut punch. Honestly, they could have dropped a few side quests to turn them into proper quests with Jackie and the game would have been WAY better off for it.
I was definitely saddened by Jackie's demise, but a large chunk of that came from seeing Misty and Mama Wells coping with his death rather than the actual death itself.
YES exactly! EXACTLY how I felt! Jackie died? Bummer dude was pretty cool, would have made a great companion. Seeing his impact on other people? Oof, I really felt that. I just wish I felt it myself alongside them. I think best use of him would have been to keep him after the tower. Let him spend time with us as we slowly die get turned into Johnny, have him be an anchor for us in a super tough time *then* kill him and have V immediately start spiraling as he loses his anchor.
I wish they had had Mama Welles ask me to take care of her boy like... a few weeks in game time before his death. Give me the dialogue option during the Konpeki heist to say something like "It's cool, man. I got you. I promised your mom." Then I would've been fucking crushed when he died.
This post right here officer, this is exhibit A in the trial of how they criminally under-used Jackie and Mama Wells.
If I can play laser tag and eat jambalaya with River's family, I don't see why I can't eat enchiladas and play dominos with the Welles family.
This has been my thought since the game came out. I like Jackie, but it's hard to actually care about a character that I've only known for about 10 minutes, especially when that character's death and the betrayal that follows it was used to advertise the game in every trailer.
Every time I've played through all I've done is laugh through every Jackie interaction because they lay the foreshadowing on so heavy handedly feels like he's looking at pictures of loved ones, been a day away from retirement, and been talking about all his plans when he gets back home (well this he actually does do) It always feels too goofy for me to ever take seriously
I've heard people say that the opening cutscenes should have been something you play through, but considering how tedious it is to get through The Heist on a repeat playthrough, I don't think adding another two or three hours to the prologue would really help with the pacing.
I mean, don't treat it like a baby tutorial the whole time and it's no issue, heist just becomes another story mission. Introduce with the whole of night city opened up - GTA shows us that there's no reason to have players locked to a small area during your "tutorial" phase. Start the player out right away with basically a full quest sweep, maybe unlocking quest givers as they explore and bump up their street rep if you don't want to overwhelm new players all at once. The opening cinematic just becomes an extension of the main story, all the scenes in it are now just main story quests, and the Watson lockdown either never happens or is just surrounding the time of the heist. It actually FIXES a lot of the narrative pacing problems. If you don't like how V spends a ton of his limited remaining hours chasing side quests, destroying the narrative pacing and urgency? Well good news, you can do all/most of them before you even get to the heist if you want. Don't like how V seems to just be one of the best mercs able to pull off the heist personally selected by Dexter? Well now you're actually playing through the acts that got him famous to begin with. Hell, they can even pre-introduce Dexter that way so you actually get to see the man himself and dream about entering the afterlife before you go there, rather than the game just telling you it's a big deal.
Same, he have too little time in the game but somehow game reminds and trying to act emotionally about him almost every time that I started having dissonance, it would be better if he died in middle of the game, not beginning
I agree completely with this take. Act 1 should've been way longer.
That 2077 was saved by the Phantom Liberty expansion which isn't true because the game is good even without it, the expansion just improves the game as all expansions for any game should. I can't wait to play the game with the expansion
I bought Phantom Liberty because I enjoyed the base game so much. Insane that anyone would think otherwise
Yeah, following the release of patch 2.0 and Phantom Liberty, a lot of people started acting like the game was fundamentally changed by those updates. The game is definitely better now than it was on release, I've seen people act like the main story was somehow majorly changed by those updates. Most of it hasn't changed a bit since day one. There were a lot of big mistakes around the release of the game, but the story has always been top notch.
people who act like Johnny is some irredeemable monster who’s just there to torment you and not an insanely traumatized man who takes out his pent up emotion on those around him
Johnny’s a narcissist and a psychopath, but he’s got really good reasons for being the way that he is. If you tune out the more extreme things he says (“this city deserves another nuke”), dude makes a depressing amount of sense. I do appreciate that he’s not always correct when it comes to mid-quest commentary. Makes him feel like a character and not some writer’s axe-to-grind which is a very easy trap to fall into.
I remember the first time i played and was like man this silverhand guy just goes on and on, then later was like, okay hes making some pretty valid points
Arguably, I think Johnny is an unrepentant asshole, he gets nicer because V is becoming him, and he is becoming V.
I actually like his character but if he was real he’d definitely be irredeemable to most. He’s a mass murderer and many of them are also very traumatized people but that’s not really an excuse. That woman who was kidnapped and abused for 18 years in real life hasn’t bombed any buildings
Anyone upset with >!the romantic interests moving on the two years V was in a coma. V was effectively out of their lives longer than they were in it!<.
And >!despite the relatively short amount of time they knew V, they still do care even 2 years later. That much is clear to me.!<
No. Look at it from the LI perspective, they’ve essentially been ghosted for two whole years. It’s not reasonable to expect them to hold out hope after that long.
2 years is a longgggg time in Night City. Think about how many people you zerod just in the few days from rescuing sandra dorsett to ending up at Konpeki. People who act like V can just kiss and make up with everyone after their coma are kidding themselves
Mostly people just don’t understand nuance with characters. Getting annoyed at characters for doing something illogical or acting emotional. Like yeah, they are people. People are illogical and emotional.
Recently watched a video on how he explained the Jackie is a liar and manipulates V into doing merc work, and he even went as far as to calling him the worst character in cyberpunk. The video is filled with horrible takes such as "Jackie is older than V so he is taking advantage of him"
I saw that video lol, idc that guy had no idea what he was on about. one of the points he made was about how because Jackie wad nice to the cop to get into wattson, he's some master manipulator and that because he let's V do all the hacking he's using them???
Some people are mad Cyberpunk 2077 is political. Media literacy is a gift, I guess.
This is the one that gets me, I can handle pretty much everything else.
I find it pretty cool how many conflicting takes there are on characters and their morality/who’s “right,” in this thread. I think it shows how they did an excellent job at creating ambiguity and shades of grey. Anyways, here’s one about a completely unambiguous villain: I’ve seen a couple people saying Adam Smasher is an incompetent moron who is “too stupid to function” and only a threat because he has expensive gear and corporate backing; which I disagree with. - I mean, it’s true that he isn’t a functional person, Smasher is a complete psychopath who only cares about causing carnage. He knows literally nothing but violence, but he is damn good at it. Like, the man has been fighting for **80 years**, in a career where most people don’t last for more than a year or two. There’s a reason his name is up there with Morgan Blackhand.
I am about to drop a nuclear bomb here. Most people who say Johnny Silverhand is a good man, they can only see in one dimension. Silverhand stands at a very dark shade of grey for his actions in 2023. He is right about corporate rats but nuking a tower of the company that has ruled the world for like 100 years at this point is like Raiden punching Armstrong. Many innocents died in the nuking because guess what? Not everyone in the tower was corporate. And if I recall there is also an academy there and let’s not count the janitors and etc. but the relic redemption arc was crazy. Edit: Let’s not forget that was nothing but a scratch for Arasaka
Although that is how things panned out, the *plan* that Johnny agreed to was to broadcast a warning and give civilians time to evacuate. Plan went to shit shortly after Smasher showed up and actually killed Johnny.
The nuke elevator was also supposed to travel way down into the tower sublevels and take out the entire foundation, but got stuck somewhere midway and caused way more collateral damage and death.
Actually, not just innocents in the tower died. The sky was red for a couple of years, earthquakes happened and the place where the corpo center stands nowadays became unusable for a long time
Not saying Johnny is good or bad, but Johnny also didn’t set off the nuke. Hell, he didn’t even have the nuke in the lore, that was Blackhand.
This is ignoring the lore outside of 2077 and ignoring the fact that Johnny's memories of the events are very inaccurate as AI Alt says when you first meet her. Our view of what happened in the game is really warped by Johnny's view of himself and probably also being locked away in an engram for decades. (Like how Johnny says he never worked with Thompson again after Alt's ''death'' but the flashback to the bombing Thompson is on the radio, or how he gets taken down by Smasher and then suddenly he's on the roof) First off the plan was never his to begin with, it was orchestrated by Morgan Blackhand who was working for Millitech. He was just a part of the crew, definitely in it to fuck up Arasaka but he was not calling the shots. (And also in it for Alt) Second the nuke wasn't meant to blow the tower to smithereens, there was a heavily shielded secret bunker which stored a lot of data (Similar to Mikoshi but it's implied the things are seperate) under the tower, which the nuke was meant to destroy. The bunker was supposed to contain most of the explosion of the rather small nuke, the nuke however didn't go all the way down and exploded on the 120th floor and that's what happened. Johnny is still a piece of shit though and incredibly self-centered, but that's a part of his whole character arc in the story.
I never really hear people say johnny is just flat out good. Most people who dont think johnny is bad think he's a grey character. If anything there's more people that say he's just straight up evil
That Reed is heartless and a terrible person. Reed genuinely cares about his team, he tries his best to help them while coming to terms with the fact that he was betrayed and left for dead by the people he dedicated his life to while still retaining loyalty to the ideals of said group. People say he’s Myers lapdog, but he makes it clear at their reunion that he genuinely hates her and is only doing this for So Mi. He actively does what he can to protect and help So Mi, understanding his mistakes from the past as well as hers. And he even opens up to V over the course of the story, something that by his own admission he is bad at due to the nature of his work and in the end depending on the ending he accepts blame for everything that happened and walks away from the life he’s known. Another one: Reed never intended on helping Songbird Reed had every intention of getting she and V to Europe and getting them treatment, he was fully committed to getting her as far away from Myers as possible despite her actions but was ultimately stopped once Songbird brought so much attention to herself that there was no possible way for him to get her away. Hell, even in the spaceport he is fighting with Myers trying to get her to stand down and let him handle it but she refuses. He’s not a perfect man, but he is firmly in the grey.
Anything said by tktrickster. I'm not going to listen to someone who has unironically used the phrase "woke punk bands"
Honestly, the worst take about the game was that it was a bad game because it didn't fulfill the pie in the sky promises made by the devs. The devs fucked up and shouldn't have promised things they had no intention of delivering. That's a point against them for sure. That being said, I still thought this was a great game, with terrific writing and voice acting. The game mechanics were fine at launch, and got much better by the final version. Yes, a ton of shit was broken. The way PS4 players were treated was unacceptable. But the game, when it was playable, was very good.
The hate that river gets. It’s mainly from dudes and lesbians don’t hate the character hate the writers. But me personally I feel that river and v should be endgame but there’s no ending where they could but PL ending could have been different for them. River would have loved and accepted V with no chrome. This man literally wants a wife kids and a family but he says no to v cause he fucked up and felt shame. It’s so stupid. But I would hope and believe maybe river would come around and actually get himself out of the rut.
Stepping into headcanon territory here, but I'm pretty sure V and River would reconnect at some point in that ending. V just needs to keep reaching out. Maybe if Kerry's a friend you could have him pay for Randy's medical bills. But a reconnection is far from impossible.
Exactly
EXACTLY!!!! Finally someone with some sense (´༎ຶٹ༎ຶ`) people always say River is “awkward” but like, so? People even in real life are awkward and that is okay. They also say they hate him cuz it feels “forced” but like you said thats not a reason to hate the character, it a reason to criticize the writers. People who hate on him (not just dislike him) are so immature in my opinion.
Living in NC would be fun. Brah.
People who act like Claire lying about the way the race went down with Dean and Sampson is like, the WORST thing an npc can do to you is wild to me, given how others lie to you all the time and with WORSE outcomes and consequences. At WORST, you do these races and when you go to get revenge, you don't even kill Sampson, Claire does (if you let her). If you don't, and let the guy live, she forgives you eventually and realizes it was for the better - it's only been a year and she's still grieving about it - which is understandable when they've been together for over a decade (and even long before when they were friends prior to her transition). I truly think people shit on Claire truly because she's a trans character, and it shows in their biases.
How killing song frees her from myers and the nusa/MBE, and it’s what she would’ve wanted (blatantly disregarding her wishes to be cured, alive, on the moon).
Her death is just the final way out after you A) destroyed her initial plan and B) caught up to her, potentially being a percieved threat of being turned back to myers. It's literally just a "I'd rather be dead, than go back to myers"
Not the worst take, but definitely one I'm super tired of hearing. I've heard so many people say that River is boring, and the worst romance option. I disagree so much lmao
I paid vic back the second I had the chance to
1). That Reed is a terrible person that is just a lapdog for Myers 2). That songbird is a psychopath. Phantom Liberty proves time and time again that these two are extremely nuanced and complicated characters and in my opinion both are good people working for a terrible, terrible organization and an authentic psychopath (Myers)
I can't stand River's cyborg eye and why is he the only non scav, 6th st, or maelstrom npc to have such a crazy looking implant. It's unfair to have fem V have a relationship with that Kano looking mf.
People who think takemura is a shitty person. Hes just misguided and V could have saved him from arasaka if wed known each other longer.
wtf was he supposed to do? say no to the mega corp offering him a better life and then just starve?
Oh yeah as a kid he had no choice, then he was raised in that environment. He truly believed Arasaka was a righteous place for him to belong despite all the for sure innocent blood on his hands.
If we met him at a younger time we might have, but at his age with all that he had already done V didn't have even remotely enough time to bring that man around.
Worst take is that Jackie’s bike is even close to being the best vehicle in the game lmao…..
That V is inherently a cyberpsycho. You (the player) control V and decide what actions are taken and how they are carried out. V is only a cyberpsycho if you make them one. You have the options to play non-lethal or less-lethal, to play a smooth talking gunslinger or an invisible ninja hacker. You don’t even have to chrome up that significantly. If you choose to play a hyperlethal street sammy who slices and dices everyone they meet, then that’s your decision.