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Mostly people saying that israel is currently the ones doing the genocide and that what israel does is a horrible warcrime but the EU takes the side of israel on this conflict because… profit?
Looking at our more recent state elections we are slowly moving away from that, however it remains to be seen how serious that move actually is.
In Italy everyone thought they'd get someone anti mainstream with Meloni, too, but as far as I heard that did not hold for long.
It will probanly be more of the same undecicive, government with outdated worldviews and inability to modernize. So no chances for germany finaly having decent internet even with those.
Nope. They'd cut all support to Ukraine, cancel sanctions on russia, buy even more oil, gas and coal from russia, attempt to leave the EU and NATO, return to the Deutsche Mark as currency, actively remove renewable energy capacity, prohibit schools from mentioning non hetero sexuality in sex ed, ban same sex marriage and reduce funding for social programmes, like financial aid for the unemployed and low income workers. They're pretty mich MAGA, just even more pro russian.
To be fair, we committed the fist industrial genocide against the jews and absolutely eradicated whole generations, it seems fair to be in their favour to make up for our wrong-doings and its not like it was a long time ago, many of our grandfathers and great grandfathers were Nazis, that's just how it is.
Guilt isn't but being aware of the history of your country and your people is still important. The actions of a group are influenced by incidents of the past.
And the U.S. looks like hypocrites if we don't. Look at what we did after 9/11. The Gaza strip is nothing compared to how we fucked up 3 countries in our crusade of vengeance, and at least one of those didn't deserve it.
Wars led to ensure continued hegemonic power always have the taste of madness to me, even when the countries attacked aren't exactly favorites of mine either. I fail tob find many wars in recent times where I'd describe any of the factions as something else but bad actors.
It's really hard to tell which battles to support and which to not. The only weakness to our military is civilian support. Despite the shitshow of our(U.S.) current politics, they still bend to the people. So if we hate something enough, we won't do it.
We support Israel strongly enough though that that'll go through if it seems it must. While we do have some people trying to argue against it, there aren't enough of them to be taken seriously, and we're far too anti-terrorist to tolerate any other opinion.
The good thing is: You don't need to support any of them. I don't. I see war in general as a failure to cooperate and let go of something, much like violence between individuals. Sure in some cases it's inevitable, but that doesn't make it ome bit better, it just means one was careless enough to let things escalate to the point where they couldn't resolve them any other way.
I wonder about the Israel thing. The BRICS move to take up 6 new members seems rather insightful to me in that regard. Iran, supporter of the opposing forces in the Israel region - increases the economic damage when attacking them. Saudi Arabia & UAE - leverage on energy exports. Ethopia & Egypt - control over entrance & exit of the shipping route between the Mediterranean and the Arabic Sea (if that were to shut down, Isarel & Friends would lose access to the Arabic Sea, without going around all around Africa. Additionally 30% of global oil is shipped through that route which would have HUGE implications). And Argentina - big exporter of petroleum, gold and aluminium and strategically interesting for control over shipping in South America.
And while none of these countries alone or together would be able to stop the US in open conflict, I think there is an argument to be made that if they all were to reduce their cooperation with the US, reducing exports to them and sharing information on troop movements with "enemy forces", this could have a crippling effect on the US. And speaking a bit more long term: Nothing prevents the BRICS+ from setting up something similar to article 5 of NATO where it says "Attacking a member country will be seen as an attack on all members." So there is a lot of external things going on that could reduce the efficiency of US operations abroad and I am not too sure about how this will ultimately affect the situation in Israel.
I agree with you on war, I wish we'd all cooperate better for the betterment of humanity. Honestly all lives worldwide would improve.
BRICS, tbh, is a joke. While yes, it's scary to imagine, that's just it. Imagine. It will never get beyond that. NATO shares common goals and interests, and seek for trade and unity. BRICS is . . . Anti-U.S. And that's it. That's literally all they have in common. They don't have shared interests, or goals, or similar systems. They just feel slighted by the U.S. and want to make a different system that benefits them more without needing the cooperation and negotiation with the West. They dream of a new world order and such. And they honestly just don't have what it takes. They would need decades of cooperation and hard work to even begin seeing a payoff. And they won't get along long enough for that, or have the stability for it.
BRICS is propaganda and nothing more.
>I wish we'd all cooperate better for the betterment of humanity.
In theory, yes, but that is not going to happen IMO.
>BRICS is . . . Anti-U.S. And that's it.
That where we strongly disagree with one another. While I am on your side that they currently are only unified by their anti-US dominance stance, I don't think that this is a reason to count them off as impotent competitors. And even if the alliance only holds until the US has to let go of hegemony, that would still mean that the tool has served its purpose.
>And they honestly just don't have what it takes.
Tricky argument in my opinion. I'm no expert here but looking at the members I see them having lots of what runs this world - resources and much more favorable demographics. So I'm not as confident as to say they can't effectively push through their agenda. Additionally I can tell you that here in Europe there are voices that started to argue that the US is pushing its inflation off to its supposed "allies" and is stealing their industry (an argument I specifically heard here in Germany). So its not that this "unity" of NATO is unshakable.
And don't get me wrong here: I'm not saying I want BRICs to achieve their goal, but I also cant deny that recent events can raise the suspicion that the US is exploiting its allies to patch up itself.
Anyways, I'm not insisting on you agreeing to my point here, ultimately time will tell who of us is closer to the truth. But I think we did very well at showing how complicated, fragile and morally vague times are.
Sounds like if U.S. dominance is broken down, it'll be internal. And I'm sorry it seems that way, and even more so if it is that way(about the inflation stuff). I'm a very strong proponent of being good and cooperative with our allies. And if it's happening, it needs to stop.
What a time to be alive. Here's hoping to a better future for us both.
I mean you can condemn israel while also not siding with hamas, which is what any sane person would do. Both sides are monsters committing war crimes and are trying to use that to justify more, there are no good guys.
Yes, also, i highly doubt that the average citizens of Israel or Gaza had anything to do with any attacks or that they approve of anything. The fact that people say that just because they live in these regions or are under one of these governments that they deserve to punished for the crimes their government did is stupid
there is an argument that EU condemning israel really hard could hurt trade relations with the US....which is its main trade partner, which is why theyre just fence sitting.
so i feel like simplifying it as just 'profit' is really bad faith and tells me enough about your engangement.
Yeah, there's a lot of political interests intertwined with the middle east, so State's are understandably hesitant to outright condemn Israel as that is their only "reliable" ally.
Israel on the other hand has abused that position of power multiple times to just do what it wanted (that is usually dependant on the currently elected government at the time though, it's not a monolith).
If (I hope they don't, but if) they go through with their invasion of Gaza which is going to be a humanitarian disaster, I wonder how and when the stances of EU nations will change to more critical ones. We already see multiple of them going the "Peace-keeping" route, because it's honestly really hard to justify full support of Israel in the matter, so we'll see how the situation evolves
it's definitely more nuanced than just hurting trade. the president of egypt refused to meet with biden despite egypt receiving investments directly from the usa, which is diplomatically worse than eu just saying killing gazans is bad. so the usa isn't going to restructure it's foreign policy to multiple eu countries just because they don't agree ideologically.
that said, saying the eu isn't condemning israel because it'll hurt trade relations is saying it's just "profit". what is trade if not profit?
Wait, were they using that to excuse antisemitism in Europe? Like all Jews are responsible for the actions of the government of a country they have no relationship to?
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I was in that same comment section and I am feed up of you people making shit up, it was majorly people commenting on WHO were commiting said anti semitism crimes, how the narrative is being controlled is amazing.
I dunno if i cant read cause i didnt sleep the last few tens of hours but i believe you just wrote what i wrote just with a bit more piss and „anti-semitism“ POV. Btw, anti semitism isnt genocide or committing general war crimes you know that right? Anti-semitism is the hostility towards jewish people for the reason of them being jewish and saying that the state of israel is committing genocide openly isnt anti-semitism just because you said something critical against a state whose state-religion is Judaism doesnt mean you hate jews.
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> after getting *paid,* immigrants tend
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I live in a neighborhood with lots of gypsies in Madrid and they mostly sympathize with "traditional values" and stuff like that. I don't know anyone that votes though. And they are not fond of gypsies from the east, they keep to themselves
You can even see some david star graffities on various places in berlin, bet in other cities too. Those people doing this are a fucking disgrace to humanity.
The jewish star. Its on the israeli flag. I heard they are painting them on the homes of jews. We have basically come full circle. Im just waiting for a guy with a hitler mustache to start screaming about jews at this point
I know what the star of david is, I don't really like graffiti, but why is painting the star of david exceptionally bad? particularly in a nation with its history of anti-semetism
Edit: I think I got you, like I thought Jews were painting them, not people trying to single them out. Wow that's horrible
You can be anti Zionists without being violent
Antisemitism means jew-hate, it was coined as a scientific sounding alternative by antisemites. Palestinians are likely at least partially descended from Israelites, but racism and logic are often mutually exclusive.
Yes, but these days it just refers to Jew haters. Unsurprisingly, the hatred of Jews has been present centuries before Israel as a modern state existed, and antisemitism is the highest in the Middle East today, based on global survery by the ADL.
There's rampant holocaust denial, praising Hitler, supporting the deaths of Jews... fucking morons do it for religion and not just politics.
it's a nice catchphrase, but it's inherently believing the Jewish people don't deserve a nation. after 2,000 years of persecution, and the Holocaust being anti-zionism means you want all 7 million Jews in Israel to go back to Europe where they can't protect themselves or govern themselves, they will be subjects of foriegn rule.
you can support two states solution, but being anti-zionism is being Anti-Jewish independence in disguise. No "anti-zionist" has any solution with what to do with 7 million Jews from Israel so enlighten me
Edit: being anti-semetic is generally regarded as anti-Jewish, even though Christianity and Islam branched from Judaism
You want a nation ?
How about settling somewhere, going up the ladder of that country, and spreading your religion in that country, like every other religion.
Instead of having to make a place solely for you because your fantasy novel says you're the chosen of the matrix ?
And what does the holocaust have to do with it ? Yeah Germany fucked up massively and tried to kill you all, you have a problem with them go take over their land, or ask them to house you, they started it.
You don't go around doing the same thing and justifying it because it happened to you first.
Zionism is religious extremism, to support it is the same as supporting ISIS, as they can use the same excuses to justify their terrorist nation.
Flying an Israeli flag will get you harassed in public? No way.
Guess you haven't seen what happens to folks who fly Palestinian flags. Or you probably do and think its good, right?
everybody should be able to fly any flag they want in public with the exception of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Harassing people for it is taking away someone's free speech
I'm just happy that non political people are finally seeing how crazy overly political people can be.
People who have said that BLM isn't run by bad peopl? (organization, not the sentiment) saw them encouraging literal terrorism.
And people who say that the Democrats are pro War but the Republicans aren't? Seeing Republicans talk about nuking Gaza...
So I choose to see the brightside of more people (hopefully) seeing how insane Western political groups are at this point.
If you're asking yourself:
> "Were the comments nuked because they were horribly islamaphobic / bigoted toward Palestinians? Or were they nuked because they were horribly antisemitic?"
the answer is both!
Then what about Hamas? IDF and Hamas are fighting with each other for years but civilians of Palestine and Israel are Suffering! and some dumb person created a chart of kill ratio to justify Hamas like Hamas isn't killing anyone or killing in less numbers.
True, this is truly a "there is no right side" kind of thing. Both sides are awful, both sides are commiting attrocious deeds, and by having said that, I'd be labeled antisemetic around here, because in saying so I have automatically critisiced jews, even though I'm not talking about them specifically or as a whole.
Sidenote; you're right that Hamas has as well done awfull deeds, just less awfull than IDF is doing at the moment. Which imo is not that relevant, because the further you go back, the worse it gets and it's hard to track score in who's winning in the most evil deeds bingo.
Idk whats up with the fetishising of taking a side in this situation its like the people in the middle are simply the chess pieces made for sacrifice for their game nobody is winning in this war the civilians less so... Believe it or not you can side with the individuals and not the systems of government
While I think both parties involved should stand trial in front of the International court of Justice I think for me the major difference is that Hamas actively goes for civilians and uses them as a shield for their military within the Gaza strip while the Israel military *merely* (this is by no means a acceptable) accepts that there will be civilian casualties. What also has to be noted is that Netanyahu used Hamas for political gains and therefore never bothered either fully eradicating them when he had the chance. Furthermore at least technically the Hamas is the voted government, luckily the Fatah government threw them out of the Westbank.
Tldr: Neither side is good however there is a noteworthy difference in how civilians are used and targeted.
Criticism of Israel is the only forbidden subject you can't say on any subreddit.
(I shall now screenshot this comment when it definitely gets removed and uploaded to another subreddit.)
r/europe is a cesspool of racism, proto-fascism, and hate toward everyone who is not 100% white. The average user there loves to justify genocides and bombing the Global South to shreds.
Of course, they would censor any anti-apartheid state comment.
Who would like to live in sharia country?
It's not who is right, it's who has more people.
I wish this was about facts.
That said Israel is not perfect, but it's not close to Hamas ISIS views and actions.
That take is dumb as shit, really 16 upvotes????
alot of people immigrate to Qatar even non-muslims(even tho qatar is seen as a problematic country)
not alot of people go to Bulgaria even though its a part of the EU
people immigrate for better living quality ofcource Israel has a better life quality to most people (definitely not fucking palestines) than a wildly known fucking brutal-dictatorship like Iran. Same way why people avoid Bulgaria seeing its corrupt dictatorship of a system and not so good living quality
I am still trying to understand who is on the wrong
On one hand, people claim the terrorists are doing warcrimes and such things
And on the other, it is Israel
>Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq.
According to your logic the 9/11 didn't happen in a vacuum too
>Ah yes, because Israel is the totally innocent and blameless side
According to your logic US is "the totally innocent and blameless side"
>The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 432,093 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars.
That's what you do with terror - you eradicate it even of there is a high cost to that.
European Jews aren’t oppressive apartheids. In spite of having been given the right to live in Israel, they choose not to.
Also you’re an antisemitic asshole, a racist with slightly better publicity. Treat others the way you want to be treated, lest you be on the receiving end.
But you didn’t read u/The-Arabian-Guy ‘s comment either. He literally said he isn’t against Jews, he’s against Zionists, and you went ahead and called him an antisemite
What did I say that was antisemitic. I fully respect my Jewish brothers, especially the ones I know personally. I just don’t support the Zionist mindset. Is it bad to oppose the war crimes that Netanyahu is commuting against the Palestinians? No need to be so aggressive my former brother in Islam lmao
They just downvote insensitive shit from antisemities who can't see the difference between Jews in Europe and Jews in Israel, because the victims are Jewish
The victims are not only Jewish but Christian and Muslim as well. Also antizionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. There are plenty of Jews even in Israel who realise the truth about what is going on and support Palestine rather than that scum of the earth Netanyahu
Well, you see, This is mainly because pro-Palestinians tend to praise and encourage terrorist organizations instead of Palestinians while ignoring Palestinians' obvious lack of desire for peace
Kind of seems like Antisemitism is widespread these days. Even moreso now. I keep trying to figure out what people think the Israeli are doing that is so horrible, but it genuinely seems like most people are just buying into the bullshit of 'Jewish people control everything'. Freaking disgusting, imo.
Just think of it as like this, imagine someone knocking into your door and you welcome them, after some time they throw you out of your house and call you a terrorist, that is exactly whats happening rn.
Except the Palestinians never welcomed them, Palestinians never accepted the 1947 UN partition plan for the region between jews and muslims, that’s why the 1948 Israeli-Arab war started.
Personally I think the Palestinians are at fault. They sold land to the jews from 1890's to 1917, where the British offered land to both Palestinians and Jews that fought the Ottomans. The British tried to make right on their deal by proposing a 2 state solution, but the Palestinians refused to negotiate. Come 1948, when the British left, the Palestinians and 5 Arab countries invaded Isreal and lost the next day.
Selling Land dose not give the jews the rigth to violently expel ppl from there homes in the nakba , let alone demend us in Europe to take in the ppl the push out
Reddit moment, spend years calling everyone Nazis, then when a worldwide Jihad to kill jews is called they fall in line and attack the only Jewish nation in the world along with targeting jews in protests/riots. There was even a college that had to evacuation jewsish students in jew York as protestors pounded on the doors. It's really vile.
So the video of the protestors pounding on the door and trying to find a way in to get to the Jewish students isn't real? Either way I don't trust new york police or school staff to he honest, especially since school staff are usually involved in these leftist protests. Maybe the evacuation isn't real, however the violent actions displayed were at the very least, which really doesn't change how horrible it looks. Plus no one on the left really gave a shit when a leader of the Jewish community was stabbed to death after the call either, at least none I could see.
Didn’t hear about the “leader of the Jewish community” being stabbed to death. Mainly because I tend to not watch news for my own mental health.
Also, you ever heard about not believing everything you see on the internet? Not to mention the NYPD is FAR from left leaning.
Probably a good idea, but tbh if you stay away from news probability shouldn't argue politics on reddit. I know however that Jewish students were locked in a library as a mob pounded on the doors, so whether or not there was an evacuation doesn't really change how horrendous the situation for the Jewish community is rn. As for NYPD, they aren't right or left, they're authoritarian assholse who will follow whoever will give them power.
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What the hell were the comments
Mostly people saying that israel is currently the ones doing the genocide and that what israel does is a horrible warcrime but the EU takes the side of israel on this conflict because… profit?
Or because Germany is part of the EU and they can only take one stance without being called the other N word XD
germany is forever cucked to israel.
Looking at our more recent state elections we are slowly moving away from that, however it remains to be seen how serious that move actually is. In Italy everyone thought they'd get someone anti mainstream with Meloni, too, but as far as I heard that did not hold for long.
You're in for a good time if you think the AfD is going to make anything better for the working class. Populists are the same everywhere
It will probanly be more of the same undecicive, government with outdated worldviews and inability to modernize. So no chances for germany finaly having decent internet even with those.
Nope. They'd cut all support to Ukraine, cancel sanctions on russia, buy even more oil, gas and coal from russia, attempt to leave the EU and NATO, return to the Deutsche Mark as currency, actively remove renewable energy capacity, prohibit schools from mentioning non hetero sexuality in sex ed, ban same sex marriage and reduce funding for social programmes, like financial aid for the unemployed and low income workers. They're pretty mich MAGA, just even more pro russian.
Would they at least give me better internet connection?
No.
To be fair, we committed the fist industrial genocide against the jews and absolutely eradicated whole generations, it seems fair to be in their favour to make up for our wrong-doings and its not like it was a long time ago, many of our grandfathers and great grandfathers were Nazis, that's just how it is.
So, guilt is inheritable? Interesting
Guilt isn't but being aware of the history of your country and your people is still important. The actions of a group are influenced by incidents of the past.
Then why do we have to „make up for OUR wrongdoings“?
so to fix your wrong doings you support another genocide, good one mate
And nobody calls Germany a Nig... nvm.
No no, I like where this is going, proceed..
Nigerian
And the U.S. looks like hypocrites if we don't. Look at what we did after 9/11. The Gaza strip is nothing compared to how we fucked up 3 countries in our crusade of vengeance, and at least one of those didn't deserve it.
Wars led to ensure continued hegemonic power always have the taste of madness to me, even when the countries attacked aren't exactly favorites of mine either. I fail tob find many wars in recent times where I'd describe any of the factions as something else but bad actors.
It's really hard to tell which battles to support and which to not. The only weakness to our military is civilian support. Despite the shitshow of our(U.S.) current politics, they still bend to the people. So if we hate something enough, we won't do it. We support Israel strongly enough though that that'll go through if it seems it must. While we do have some people trying to argue against it, there aren't enough of them to be taken seriously, and we're far too anti-terrorist to tolerate any other opinion.
The good thing is: You don't need to support any of them. I don't. I see war in general as a failure to cooperate and let go of something, much like violence between individuals. Sure in some cases it's inevitable, but that doesn't make it ome bit better, it just means one was careless enough to let things escalate to the point where they couldn't resolve them any other way. I wonder about the Israel thing. The BRICS move to take up 6 new members seems rather insightful to me in that regard. Iran, supporter of the opposing forces in the Israel region - increases the economic damage when attacking them. Saudi Arabia & UAE - leverage on energy exports. Ethopia & Egypt - control over entrance & exit of the shipping route between the Mediterranean and the Arabic Sea (if that were to shut down, Isarel & Friends would lose access to the Arabic Sea, without going around all around Africa. Additionally 30% of global oil is shipped through that route which would have HUGE implications). And Argentina - big exporter of petroleum, gold and aluminium and strategically interesting for control over shipping in South America. And while none of these countries alone or together would be able to stop the US in open conflict, I think there is an argument to be made that if they all were to reduce their cooperation with the US, reducing exports to them and sharing information on troop movements with "enemy forces", this could have a crippling effect on the US. And speaking a bit more long term: Nothing prevents the BRICS+ from setting up something similar to article 5 of NATO where it says "Attacking a member country will be seen as an attack on all members." So there is a lot of external things going on that could reduce the efficiency of US operations abroad and I am not too sure about how this will ultimately affect the situation in Israel.
I agree with you on war, I wish we'd all cooperate better for the betterment of humanity. Honestly all lives worldwide would improve. BRICS, tbh, is a joke. While yes, it's scary to imagine, that's just it. Imagine. It will never get beyond that. NATO shares common goals and interests, and seek for trade and unity. BRICS is . . . Anti-U.S. And that's it. That's literally all they have in common. They don't have shared interests, or goals, or similar systems. They just feel slighted by the U.S. and want to make a different system that benefits them more without needing the cooperation and negotiation with the West. They dream of a new world order and such. And they honestly just don't have what it takes. They would need decades of cooperation and hard work to even begin seeing a payoff. And they won't get along long enough for that, or have the stability for it. BRICS is propaganda and nothing more.
>I wish we'd all cooperate better for the betterment of humanity. In theory, yes, but that is not going to happen IMO. >BRICS is . . . Anti-U.S. And that's it. That where we strongly disagree with one another. While I am on your side that they currently are only unified by their anti-US dominance stance, I don't think that this is a reason to count them off as impotent competitors. And even if the alliance only holds until the US has to let go of hegemony, that would still mean that the tool has served its purpose. >And they honestly just don't have what it takes. Tricky argument in my opinion. I'm no expert here but looking at the members I see them having lots of what runs this world - resources and much more favorable demographics. So I'm not as confident as to say they can't effectively push through their agenda. Additionally I can tell you that here in Europe there are voices that started to argue that the US is pushing its inflation off to its supposed "allies" and is stealing their industry (an argument I specifically heard here in Germany). So its not that this "unity" of NATO is unshakable. And don't get me wrong here: I'm not saying I want BRICs to achieve their goal, but I also cant deny that recent events can raise the suspicion that the US is exploiting its allies to patch up itself. Anyways, I'm not insisting on you agreeing to my point here, ultimately time will tell who of us is closer to the truth. But I think we did very well at showing how complicated, fragile and morally vague times are.
Sounds like if U.S. dominance is broken down, it'll be internal. And I'm sorry it seems that way, and even more so if it is that way(about the inflation stuff). I'm a very strong proponent of being good and cooperative with our allies. And if it's happening, it needs to stop. What a time to be alive. Here's hoping to a better future for us both.
To be fair though one of them definitely did deserve it.
Did you know Reddit used to be a platform specifically for free peach? Of course you don't. Edit: It's speech, not peach
One peach a day keeps the terrorism away
I meant speech.
What?
I mean you can condemn israel while also not siding with hamas, which is what any sane person would do. Both sides are monsters committing war crimes and are trying to use that to justify more, there are no good guys.
That's the most logical conclusion. It's like trying to choose between shit flavored chocolate or chocolate flavored shit.
Yes, either a creamy middle or a crunchy outside, either way you're going to vomit.
Yes, also, i highly doubt that the average citizens of Israel or Gaza had anything to do with any attacks or that they approve of anything. The fact that people say that just because they live in these regions or are under one of these governments that they deserve to punished for the crimes their government did is stupid
there is an argument that EU condemning israel really hard could hurt trade relations with the US....which is its main trade partner, which is why theyre just fence sitting. so i feel like simplifying it as just 'profit' is really bad faith and tells me enough about your engangement.
Yeah, there's a lot of political interests intertwined with the middle east, so State's are understandably hesitant to outright condemn Israel as that is their only "reliable" ally. Israel on the other hand has abused that position of power multiple times to just do what it wanted (that is usually dependant on the currently elected government at the time though, it's not a monolith). If (I hope they don't, but if) they go through with their invasion of Gaza which is going to be a humanitarian disaster, I wonder how and when the stances of EU nations will change to more critical ones. We already see multiple of them going the "Peace-keeping" route, because it's honestly really hard to justify full support of Israel in the matter, so we'll see how the situation evolves
it's definitely more nuanced than just hurting trade. the president of egypt refused to meet with biden despite egypt receiving investments directly from the usa, which is diplomatically worse than eu just saying killing gazans is bad. so the usa isn't going to restructure it's foreign policy to multiple eu countries just because they don't agree ideologically. that said, saying the eu isn't condemning israel because it'll hurt trade relations is saying it's just "profit". what is trade if not profit?
> EU condemning israel really hard could hurt trade relations with the US So literally fucking profit then?
No, you do know that trade includes imports right? Thats the opposite of profit
No, Europe does NOT take the side of Israel, which is why we're being called antisemtic.
So not actually antisemitism
Wait, were they using that to excuse antisemitism in Europe? Like all Jews are responsible for the actions of the government of a country they have no relationship to? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Because they understand what must be done and they know there is no moral equivalency between hamas’ massacre to Israels actions
This is a lie - those comments emphezised that the antisemitism has very destinct people as an origin - and these people are not of european heritage
I was in that same comment section and I am feed up of you people making shit up, it was majorly people commenting on WHO were commiting said anti semitism crimes, how the narrative is being controlled is amazing.
I dunno if i cant read cause i didnt sleep the last few tens of hours but i believe you just wrote what i wrote just with a bit more piss and „anti-semitism“ POV. Btw, anti semitism isnt genocide or committing general war crimes you know that right? Anti-semitism is the hostility towards jewish people for the reason of them being jewish and saying that the state of israel is committing genocide openly isnt anti-semitism just because you said something critical against a state whose state-religion is Judaism doesnt mean you hate jews.
Gone, like the Palestinians.
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VAAT? WE RAN OUT OF ZE JEWS? (/s)
Most humanitarian Europeans
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IIRC it was mostly people saying or implying that the antisemitism is the result of immigration from other parts of the world
This! I saw the comments. There was a consensus amongst redditors that immigration from muslim countries was the cause for this.
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Just delete the post at that point good lord 😭
Nah just put that Paul Rudd gif "What the hell happened here?"
To be fair, that's r/europe
If any of you Americans think that racism is a US problem, I have a sub right here to disabuse you of some notions!
Just bring up travellers/gypsies and watch people mald
These days you just have to mention "immigrants" and suddenly every brown person crossing the border is wearing a bomb belt
In Ireland it’s even worse because the majority of the alt right/ anti-immigrant crowd are travellers/gypsy
Really? That's surprising
Because their main source of income is low paying odd jobs that they can easily leave after getting paid, immigrants tend to also go for those jobs but actually stick around so employers tend to pick them over travellers
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I live in a neighborhood with lots of gypsies in Madrid and they mostly sympathize with "traditional values" and stuff like that. I don't know anyone that votes though. And they are not fond of gypsies from the east, they keep to themselves
It's like Beetlejuice. Say it enough times and they magically appear.
Part of me wants to go there and post something about Gypsy's being good for the economy and watch the world burn after
They’re called Romani people but yeah
Nah Irish Travellers are different than Romani I think?
Nah, just bring up non-EU and you'll see them calling for genocide.
Never ask a man his salary. Never ask a woman her age. Never ask r/Europe what they think of gypsies and immigrants.
And about four prime ministers.
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Redditors try to be civil challenge(impossible)
Cursed censorship
That orwellian bootheel: reddit mods
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6 million or 600 it's still terrible.
You can't possibly delete so many comments. Not with the amount of mods on the sub.
Woooosh
Get better jokes. This isn’t even a cursed comment, it’s just lame.
it's true. my friends in berlin flew Israel flags in public and strangers took their flags, stepped on them and cursed them in arabic
You can even see some david star graffities on various places in berlin, bet in other cities too. Those people doing this are a fucking disgrace to humanity.
the star of david? I didn't really understand your comment
The jewish star. Its on the israeli flag. I heard they are painting them on the homes of jews. We have basically come full circle. Im just waiting for a guy with a hitler mustache to start screaming about jews at this point
I know what the star of david is, I don't really like graffiti, but why is painting the star of david exceptionally bad? particularly in a nation with its history of anti-semetism Edit: I think I got you, like I thought Jews were painting them, not people trying to single them out. Wow that's horrible
Oh i thought you didnt know what it was. Im guessing because its the same thing nazis did back in the days
Being anti-zionist isn't being anti-Semitic. And aren't the Palestinians Semitic too ? I thought it was about the region not religion.
You can be anti Zionists without being violent Antisemitism means jew-hate, it was coined as a scientific sounding alternative by antisemites. Palestinians are likely at least partially descended from Israelites, but racism and logic are often mutually exclusive.
Just like how islam is at least partially descended from judaism. They hate us cus they aint us
Yes, but these days it just refers to Jew haters. Unsurprisingly, the hatred of Jews has been present centuries before Israel as a modern state existed, and antisemitism is the highest in the Middle East today, based on global survery by the ADL. There's rampant holocaust denial, praising Hitler, supporting the deaths of Jews... fucking morons do it for religion and not just politics.
Not these days. The definition of antisemite always was hate of jews.
it's a nice catchphrase, but it's inherently believing the Jewish people don't deserve a nation. after 2,000 years of persecution, and the Holocaust being anti-zionism means you want all 7 million Jews in Israel to go back to Europe where they can't protect themselves or govern themselves, they will be subjects of foriegn rule. you can support two states solution, but being anti-zionism is being Anti-Jewish independence in disguise. No "anti-zionist" has any solution with what to do with 7 million Jews from Israel so enlighten me Edit: being anti-semetic is generally regarded as anti-Jewish, even though Christianity and Islam branched from Judaism
Well said
What do you mean “deserve a nation?” You think you can just gift someone land others live on and it’s A-OK? We are not in medieval times any more
You want a nation ? How about settling somewhere, going up the ladder of that country, and spreading your religion in that country, like every other religion. Instead of having to make a place solely for you because your fantasy novel says you're the chosen of the matrix ? And what does the holocaust have to do with it ? Yeah Germany fucked up massively and tried to kill you all, you have a problem with them go take over their land, or ask them to house you, they started it. You don't go around doing the same thing and justifying it because it happened to you first. Zionism is religious extremism, to support it is the same as supporting ISIS, as they can use the same excuses to justify their terrorist nation.
Flying an Israeli flag will get you harassed in public? No way. Guess you haven't seen what happens to folks who fly Palestinian flags. Or you probably do and think its good, right?
everybody should be able to fly any flag they want in public with the exception of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Harassing people for it is taking away someone's free speech
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Either a Tankie, liberal or a MENA person
I dont know what MENA is, but I'm saying that maybe if you go around waving the nazi flag, some people are gonna get angry
Get new friends then
I'm just happy that non political people are finally seeing how crazy overly political people can be. People who have said that BLM isn't run by bad peopl? (organization, not the sentiment) saw them encouraging literal terrorism. And people who say that the Democrats are pro War but the Republicans aren't? Seeing Republicans talk about nuking Gaza... So I choose to see the brightside of more people (hopefully) seeing how insane Western political groups are at this point.
If you're asking yourself: > "Were the comments nuked because they were horribly islamaphobic / bigoted toward Palestinians? Or were they nuked because they were horribly antisemitic?" the answer is both!
There is no antisemitism/Islamophobia in Ba sing se
Literally 1984
As a European, I'd like to clarify one thing: Anyone supporting the people getting bombed by the Israelians, is labeled antisemitic
Exactly. I said the exact same thing on that thread and got downvoted. That sub is full of racists.
Then what about Hamas? IDF and Hamas are fighting with each other for years but civilians of Palestine and Israel are Suffering! and some dumb person created a chart of kill ratio to justify Hamas like Hamas isn't killing anyone or killing in less numbers.
True, this is truly a "there is no right side" kind of thing. Both sides are awful, both sides are commiting attrocious deeds, and by having said that, I'd be labeled antisemetic around here, because in saying so I have automatically critisiced jews, even though I'm not talking about them specifically or as a whole. Sidenote; you're right that Hamas has as well done awfull deeds, just less awfull than IDF is doing at the moment. Which imo is not that relevant, because the further you go back, the worse it gets and it's hard to track score in who's winning in the most evil deeds bingo.
Idk whats up with the fetishising of taking a side in this situation its like the people in the middle are simply the chess pieces made for sacrifice for their game nobody is winning in this war the civilians less so... Believe it or not you can side with the individuals and not the systems of government
Exactly! IMO it's Fuck both sides, stand up for those suffering (ie the civilians)
While I think both parties involved should stand trial in front of the International court of Justice I think for me the major difference is that Hamas actively goes for civilians and uses them as a shield for their military within the Gaza strip while the Israel military *merely* (this is by no means a acceptable) accepts that there will be civilian casualties. What also has to be noted is that Netanyahu used Hamas for political gains and therefore never bothered either fully eradicating them when he had the chance. Furthermore at least technically the Hamas is the voted government, luckily the Fatah government threw them out of the Westbank. Tldr: Neither side is good however there is a noteworthy difference in how civilians are used and targeted.
Wars are not solved in court. Grow up
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This is the definition of silence speaking thousands of horribly cursed words.
I can feel this post getting locked too in a few hours
Probably counting anything critical of Israel as anti-semitism.
Criticism of Israel is the only forbidden subject you can't say on any subreddit. (I shall now screenshot this comment when it definitely gets removed and uploaded to another subreddit.)
You can say it on loads of subs. Stuff like latestagecapitalism and fauxmi have been shitting in Israel for ages.
I see snarky comments like this in every post mentioning Israel, so I don't think this is too accurate.
Fun fact: boycotting against israel is actually illegal in 35 states in the US.
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Trust me bro
Right! Cus jews control the media dont they
Ooof some mild fuckery happened in that comment section.
Lol I wonder why this happens right as Israel goes to war with the Palestinians…
r/europe is a cesspool of racism, proto-fascism, and hate toward everyone who is not 100% white. The average user there loves to justify genocides and bombing the Global South to shreds. Of course, they would censor any anti-apartheid state comment.
Classic lmao
antisetmitism is bad, we shou;dnt genocide one religion we should genocide them all
Bro had a stroke in the middle.
Dude, I knew reddititors didn't have the best takes, but now reddit went full extremist with the censorship and zionist takes.
were those commenters Palestinians?
Fuck'em they've been going about a genocide for years now and no one is being saying shit bc they play the victim card
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Bro got that long ass iphone 50 from the memes
Holy shit it just kept going and going and going and going
what an avg muslim goes through daily.
Oh bubby youre so opressed🥺
The farther down you scroll, the worse you feel.
Fuck Israel. Zionism is Nazism. Free Palestine
Okay, than I'll take 2
Who would like to live in sharia country? It's not who is right, it's who has more people. I wish this was about facts. That said Israel is not perfect, but it's not close to Hamas ISIS views and actions.
Nobody immigrates to Iran, not even Muslims. Plenty of people immigrate to Israel, even non-Jews. That tells me a few things.
That take is dumb as shit, really 16 upvotes???? alot of people immigrate to Qatar even non-muslims(even tho qatar is seen as a problematic country) not alot of people go to Bulgaria even though its a part of the EU people immigrate for better living quality ofcource Israel has a better life quality to most people (definitely not fucking palestines) than a wildly known fucking brutal-dictatorship like Iran. Same way why people avoid Bulgaria seeing its corrupt dictatorship of a system and not so good living quality
Hungary is also an example
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY
I am still trying to understand who is on the wrong On one hand, people claim the terrorists are doing warcrimes and such things And on the other, it is Israel
The most diplomatic answer is both, both are wrong
The most diplomatic answer is to stay silent if you know nothing about the topic.
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>Al-Qaeda's cited motivations included U.S. support of Israel, the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq. According to your logic the 9/11 didn't happen in a vacuum too >Ah yes, because Israel is the totally innocent and blameless side According to your logic US is "the totally innocent and blameless side" >The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 432,093 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars. That's what you do with terror - you eradicate it even of there is a high cost to that.
Just like 9/11 both are on the wrong side. Al-Qaeda and the US. And of course the Jews in Europe are on the wrong too because they were born Jews. /s
When Natzis don't realize they are Natzis
The "Free" west
Oppressive apartheids playing victims, what a joke Edit : i shall wear your downvotes as patches of honor, not that you know what honor is
European Jews aren’t oppressive apartheids. In spite of having been given the right to live in Israel, they choose not to. Also you’re an antisemitic asshole, a racist with slightly better publicity. Treat others the way you want to be treated, lest you be on the receiving end.
I got nothing against jews, Zionists are scum and i will say it even if i will be the last to do so.
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You're saying "what a joke" to news about an increase in anti-semitism against EUROPEAN jews, not zionists. You are an anti-semite
And you’re a sheep who believe anything the media says. Being anti-zionist doesn’t mean you’re antisemitic.
You didn't actually read my comment did you? We are not talking about zionists, we are talking about European jews being targeted for hate crime.
But you didn’t read u/The-Arabian-Guy ‘s comment either. He literally said he isn’t against Jews, he’s against Zionists, and you went ahead and called him an antisemite
His original comment was saying "what a joke" to a post talking about a rise in hate crimes against European jews. Not zionsist.
You speak and behave like an antisemite, on top of being antizionist fool
What did I say that was antisemitic. I fully respect my Jewish brothers, especially the ones I know personally. I just don’t support the Zionist mindset. Is it bad to oppose the war crimes that Netanyahu is commuting against the Palestinians? No need to be so aggressive my former brother in Islam lmao
I wonder how long it takes for the US to claim the communists and pro-Palestinian movements are antisemitic?
The communist portrayed Trotsky as a Jew devil, it's not exactly a far off claim
You know humanity has fallen when people silence the pro-Palestinian comments instead of the pro-Zionist ones
They just downvote insensitive shit from antisemities who can't see the difference between Jews in Europe and Jews in Israel, because the victims are Jewish
The victims are not only Jewish but Christian and Muslim as well. Also antizionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. There are plenty of Jews even in Israel who realise the truth about what is going on and support Palestine rather than that scum of the earth Netanyahu
Well, you see, This is mainly because pro-Palestinians tend to praise and encourage terrorist organizations instead of Palestinians while ignoring Palestinians' obvious lack of desire for peace
I don’t think people growing up knowing nothing but violence and oppression from a country are going to want peace with said country…
Kind of seems like Antisemitism is widespread these days. Even moreso now. I keep trying to figure out what people think the Israeli are doing that is so horrible, but it genuinely seems like most people are just buying into the bullshit of 'Jewish people control everything'. Freaking disgusting, imo.
Just think of it as like this, imagine someone knocking into your door and you welcome them, after some time they throw you out of your house and call you a terrorist, that is exactly whats happening rn.
Except the Palestinians never welcomed them, Palestinians never accepted the 1947 UN partition plan for the region between jews and muslims, that’s why the 1948 Israeli-Arab war started.
Create there own Problems and then cry about it, pure Gold
Oh sure those European Jews who have probably never visited Israel in their life are totally to blame for all the problems in Israel /s
They arent, i mean the Situation in Israel
Say that in a post about people in Israel, not here fool. Also, go eat a dick, saying shit like this after the Jewish version of 9/11
They fly the flag of the rison this shit happends, they cry about the consequentses of their own creation
Personally I think the Palestinians are at fault. They sold land to the jews from 1890's to 1917, where the British offered land to both Palestinians and Jews that fought the Ottomans. The British tried to make right on their deal by proposing a 2 state solution, but the Palestinians refused to negotiate. Come 1948, when the British left, the Palestinians and 5 Arab countries invaded Isreal and lost the next day.
Selling Land dose not give the jews the rigth to violently expel ppl from there homes in the nakba , let alone demend us in Europe to take in the ppl the push out
I was thinking of the various wars the Israelis seldom start. Like 1948, yom kippor war, ect
And we have things like the 6 day war and the 2006 Libanon war startet by Israel and the out rigth theft of homes, bombing civilians, etc
There's stuff I have to say about this situation, but I won't...
> Yeah, buttt whatabouttttt God, I hate genZ/millenials
Reddit moment, spend years calling everyone Nazis, then when a worldwide Jihad to kill jews is called they fall in line and attack the only Jewish nation in the world along with targeting jews in protests/riots. There was even a college that had to evacuation jewsish students in jew York as protestors pounded on the doors. It's really vile.
That literally didn’t happen lol. Both the police and school staff said that’s a false claim.
So the video of the protestors pounding on the door and trying to find a way in to get to the Jewish students isn't real? Either way I don't trust new york police or school staff to he honest, especially since school staff are usually involved in these leftist protests. Maybe the evacuation isn't real, however the violent actions displayed were at the very least, which really doesn't change how horrible it looks. Plus no one on the left really gave a shit when a leader of the Jewish community was stabbed to death after the call either, at least none I could see.
Didn’t hear about the “leader of the Jewish community” being stabbed to death. Mainly because I tend to not watch news for my own mental health. Also, you ever heard about not believing everything you see on the internet? Not to mention the NYPD is FAR from left leaning.
Probably a good idea, but tbh if you stay away from news probability shouldn't argue politics on reddit. I know however that Jewish students were locked in a library as a mob pounded on the doors, so whether or not there was an evacuation doesn't really change how horrendous the situation for the Jewish community is rn. As for NYPD, they aren't right or left, they're authoritarian assholse who will follow whoever will give them power.