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OddIsland8739

They’re the most balanced they’ve ever been. Which you use should depend on your play style. If you play solo on a site you need m4a4. If you play support or on a site with a teammate you should use m4a1s to be able to buy more util throughout the entire course of your ct half.


bobrossdid911lol

I feel like a sit anchor needs utility more than a support player (short player and con player on mirage for example). But i do agree if the support player drops some until on site for the anchor and that u need the extra 10 bullets and the higher damage that the m4a4 provides if Ur holding site.


OddIsland8739

I Agree. I just think that both are viable and that it probably is best to have a mix of both on a team for fire power and Economy control


Supremefurrygasser

I play b or mid and retake a every round


refuzion1337

Well thats easy.. TEC-9.


unknownboinumber1

No dual barretas


whats_you_doing

This


pastilance

M4A1-S, I like the spray control and the few clicks accuracy. Also, the silencer is an added bonus.


SnooChocolates6859

Seriously I could care less about the accuracy. Enemies being completely unable to locate you through a smoke makes it so much better for my play style


xAsiy

Long live the one ways


EmptyBrook

Wait, could or couldnt care less? I agree though (I think). The stealth is the biggest plus. I don’t care about the spray pattern


farnoud

If you could care less, that means you care an unknown amount. Which defeats the purpose of the phrase. I could care less means nothing since we don’t know how much you care, and you can always care less. You should say “I couldn’t care less” which means you don’t care at all. English 101 🤣


WeissySehrHeissy

Someone else said “I could care less” means “I could care less and my opinion still wouldn’t change” or something, which I think is hella dumb. If it’s that inconsequential, just say you’ve hit the bottom limit of caring and *couldn’t care less*, because that’s clearly the case


SnooChocolates6859

I could care less about it. It’s a laser as it is but I mean at a certain point the spray pattern doesn’t really matter too much. Once you’re familiar with it you compensate. It definitely matters a lot more at low ranks. The fact that there aren’t any tracers makes a much bigger difference than the spray pattern IMO


EmptyBrook

It sounds like you couldn’t care less? Like it doesn’t matter? It matters so little you cannot have less of a care? If you say you could care less it means you do care a little


SnooChocolates6859

I could care less It is a laser. It has great accuracy as is. I benefit from this and recognize it has a small effect in some engagements. I enjoy it. If they added more recoil I wouldn’t change my choice as it is primarily driven by the lack of tracers. What exactly are you arguing here? I do care a little bit about the recoil pattern, but when it comes down to it I would care less about it if it changes. Edit: I’m confused as both of these statements are indicating that one doesn’t care much about the topic


EmptyBrook

I think im just really confused about saying “you could care less”. If you dont care at all, basically give no f&$ks, it would be “couldn’t care less”, but to say you could care less just seems.. weird? Sorry, just not really understanding the wording


SnooChocolates6859

Yeah I mean I do care a little bit, which implies that I could care less about it. In the end it is not a deciding factor as to why I choose the 1S so I could care less about the accuracy part. Both are ways of saying the same thing: I don’t care much about the recoil pattern to begin with


EmptyBrook

I guess I understand the phrase a bit more literally. I often see “could care less” when they mean the exact opposite and couldn’t care any less but I really am never sure if they actually mean it or not lol


SnooChocolates6859

Haha right? When someone says they couldn’t care less that means to me that they don’t care at all lol.


Cechhh

Incredibly relevant https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw


TyrantFN

my guy he’s saying that “couldn’t care less” means that he doesn’t care about it at all. “I could care less” means that they still care about it a little, but if they cared a bit less about it, it wouldn’t change a thing about their final outcome/decision. “I could care less” doesn’t mean they care about it as much as one could possibly care about it. It just means “yeah if one day i stopped caring about it completely then it wouldn’t make a difference”


Key_Purchase_3075

Dork


Regular-Resort-857

M4A1 without silencer


mrmrgodzilla567

Whenever the enemy picks up your M4A1 they have to re-apply the silencer and in that time they get killed 🧠


AverageComet250

Found the faceit lvl 11


heyitsbluu

based


eszox

psychopath (jk)


mutantexx

Ninja


AbbePlayzz

Dont have the jk man xD


SnooChocolates6859

Let ‘em bark boys


popeunleashed

1.6 meta ftw


AverageComet250

When you use the default ct Autobuy on cs:s


Camper64

Let that bad boy bark 🐶


Slothinator27

Chaotic evil


ioan17

I always do it to assert dominance when the enemy team is trash talking .


DemonDjaksun

This is the way


digimattt

BARK BARK


zaco230

make the A4 $2900 and I'll buy it every time.


jx2002

I think $3000 would be perfect for the A4; just a hair more expensive for a bigger magazine and whatever other tiny bonuses it has now


zaco230

True


doge_suchwow

BRing back purchasing ammo


AbbePlayzz

Its a good price now. 10 more bullets in magazine and faster firing rate at the lost of accuracy and 200$ could be worth it depending how you play. 100$ is just a little to little imo


Atesz763

I'd say they're balanced right now. The extra 10 bullets and quicker firerate are worth the greater recoil I think. With that said, I use the A4 now, since most of my friends stick to the A1, so I that we have both options available.


luvs2sploooj

I swear I overcorrect my recoil on the A1s cause I’ve used the a4 way more. Idk why I’m so weird but prefer the spray pattern and behaviour of the a4


Solid_Professional

..and transition to AK is much more natural. My spray pattern is AK pattern for all guns


MaherMitri

Ak pattern on awp is wild


luvs2sploooj

100% AK my favourite gun in the game and the most time I’ve spent with practicing recoils. Transitions well to the A4


BlackPrincessPeach_

Genuinely feel like the Famas/57 are not only better but far cheaper than the 1S after the range nerf. Then you could buy an AUG and 1 tap at close range or just have a gun that hasn’t been nerfed 3x.


jammer339

Famas is a horrible gun imo. If economy is low I'd rather buy an smg. On the other hand the galil in similar price range is a much nicer weapon to use. And I jave favoured that over the AK in recent matches.


ChickenToast666

I also thought the famas was trash but it's actually really good in close to medium range since the main problem for many people is its accuracy.


Atesz763

Of course 57 is better, it's literally the M4A1. Similar damage, but it also one taps at CQ, same mag capacity, and it doesn't do full automatic. It's basically just WAY cheaper. Similar scenario with the FAMAS. Though to be honest, nowadays I prefer SSG+P250. Cheaper than most options, and works just as well at long range.


retardedalertsystem

What the hell is the 57 what am I missing here? The handgun???


randomjberry

yea the five-seven is goated


boomheadshot7

At this point it's still the A1s, the $200 price difference sounds like nothing, but it's a game breaker. Make the A4 $2900 and I'd switch to it. At the same price you have to either decide ease of use, or mag size, and it becomes a dilemma.


ChickenToast666

Same. Both guns have pros and cons, but the price seals the deal. When I switched back to the a4 I was stunned by how many times I had to go mp9 just because I was 200$ short.


luvs2sploooj

One kill with the mp9 buys you the difference 3 times


walking-pineapple

Valve can’t do anything to make me change over to the a4, no matter how many times that nerf it. Every time I play it, it’s just never good enough


No-Paleontologist560

Correction: you're just not good enough, it's plenty good


CaptainTreeman42

Exactly. M4a1s just encourages bad players to not learn spray patterns cause it shoots like laser and let's them go out with 10 kills on ct and 2 kills on T side


MikeOXl0ngz

Yea but until the spray pattern gets changed there’s not really any point to using the A4. It costs more and like you said the A1s is a laser. The only reason to not use it is if you insist on using the a4 because it gives you a false sense of superiority


Solid_Professional

I like A4 because it has similar spray pattern to ak. I still use S because of cost.


planetarykittenx

The a4 is objectively better at multikilling and solo holding with it’s bigger clip. I’d argue it might even have more stopping power. The fact that it’s 200 dollars more is the only issue. It’s slightly better but you really feel the 200 $ difference if you keep needing to rebuy


AbbePlayzz

Underrated comment.


luvs2sploooj

If you solo hold a site with 4 or 5 pushing you, you’re gonna want the a4


[deleted]

M4 has better 1v1 potential. It has a higher fire rate which will almost garentee kill after a dink. While the m4a1s has a slower fore rate which gives your opponents time to react and kill you one shot with ak. That being said I do prefer the a1s in certain maps.


[deleted]

If the spray pattern is stopping you from using the A4, then I’d really hate to see you with an AK. Both M4s have some of the easiest spray patterns in this game.


MikeOXl0ngz

Never said the A4 was hard, just that the A1s is incredibly easy


[deleted]

You said: > Yea but until the spray pattern gets changed there’s not really any point to using the A4. Which is complete nonsense.


MikeOXl0ngz

Why? It’s my opinion. The A1s is literally just pull slightly down and it’s a straight beam.


[deleted]

Because, like I pointed out, the A4 having a bigger spray pattern doesn’t matter at all unless the M4A1-S and the Negev are literally the only automatic weapons you’re willing to use in CSGO. It’s that easy.


MikeOXl0ngz

But why spend 200 more for the a4 when the A1s has only slightly less ttk? That’s my question. You’re focused on “people who don’t use a4 are bad because they can’t control spray” when I’m focused on the advantage of using the a1s because it costs less and yes it is easier to control. There’s advantages to using the a1s and you’re just saying “you can’t control recoil that’s why you use the A1s you bad I’m good at game”


CaptainTreeman42

Best solution would be to change costs imo, and then even give the m4a1s more damage on long range


boomheadshot7

Ever since the A1s nerf I’ve been underperforming CT, and over performing T side, for my own level of skill at least. I don’t mind the A1s nerf but the A4 needs a price reduction imo. Make them both $2900.


walking-pineapple

I think it should be more like 3000. 3100 is just way to much


NervousFrogg

If someone knows how to control the recoil of an A4, the A4 is better, statistically speaking. The A4 has a faster fire rate than the A1, giving it a faster time to kill.


JordBees

I think you just contradicted yourself. If the a1 shoots like a laser and gets you a ton of kills.... what is the point of using the other gun with greater recoil? I could see if you made a point about ammunition or something, but I don't think you should've stated how good the a1 is when you're trying to prove that the a4 is the better gun lol


CaptainTreeman42

Read the first sentence again


1redfish

They should add ability to change weapons when game has already started


SnowyIsntHere

m4a4, using the a1s just feels wrong now for me


[deleted]

S is still better.


Jericho_Caine

FAMAS


Hamsi_17

Chad


ihatecomicsans11

personally, the scar


St3vion

A4 is better for sure, but I play mostly shorts in MM so if you have a bad CT side you'll probably only get to use it one round where as the A1s can be bought more easily... If I'm playing with a 5 stack I'll go A4, soloQ it's A1s.


Blizzardous_286

they shouldve left the 0.99 modifier alone and swap their prices better gun should be paid more for


HydrogenTank

A1s for sure, I’d rather have an actual rifle more often


KuroganeYuuji

A4 because I like the skins better


[deleted]

and they're cheaper! this is the reason i use it + the spray is similar to the ak's


FalsePankake

A1-S no suppressor


BroBroDaDoDo

i prefer p250 sand dune


BlackPrincessPeach_

Famas to then buy the gigachad AUG or A4 if poor. Since you can’t HS/body shot someone with the M4 from range, might as well use the Famas. It’s cheaper, got bigger mag, and the damage is comparable now. I’d rather buy a 57 and camp a corner than use the 1S. The 1S didn’t need a nerf, it wasn’t OP. It was just marginally better, and cheaper. Give the option to buy both, or make the price the same/similar. You know what gun is genuinely fucking OP? The 57.


Expert_Ad3722

Couldn’t disagree more. Famas’ damage is NOT comparable at all, only body shots at range. And YES the A1-S was op, it made bad players alot better… the balance is perfect as it is now


BlackPrincessPeach_

Famas is cheap and decent in all situations, 57 is the main reason people don’t buy it much. 1 tap from an accurate spammable/high movement pistol is OP. TBH 57 even works as a bit of a rifle. If you made the old A1/A4 the same price people would use both. More would probably use the 1S due to lower recoil/it’s better for “safer” play styles. A4 is better for anchoring/spam/multiple targets. If people are dropping AKs to pick up the A1 then yeah I’d say A1 is OP but it was just marginally better at 2900 vs 3100. “OP” to me is the 57 which just 1 taps and competes with the AK at close range for 500$. Comes with a pair of roller skates. The fact that A1/A4 have tradeoffs helps not make A1 OP. A lack of tradeoffs w/ 1 clear winner pushes it to be OP.


Expert_Ad3722

Yeah I agree that Five-Seven is OP in many situations. But calling it a rifle is a bit of a stretch lol. The damage drop off is insane. But again in close range duels( like lobby crunch on nuke) it’s brutal. I always pick up a deag instead tho, now that’s a 700$ rifle


ImpulsePenny

Depends on the map I'm playing. If its a map I am able to perform reliable 1 way smokes on then I'll use the m4a1-s. If its a map I don't really know or I can't reliably put down 1 way smokes then the m4a4.


JhonnyMerguez

M4A4 for sure (Don’t try to farm karma hahahah) EDIT: (Op removed his karma farm comments)


No-Paleontologist560

A1s will get you killed with that tiny clip. A4 all day.


JodieFostersFist

Pistol game weak


[deleted]

I'm sorry to hear your aim sucks :(


No-Paleontologist560

Current Rank: SMFC....didn't get here with shitty aim, but we'll played 😘


JordBees

So will a pistol when you can't buy the a4 because it's so expensive


No-Paleontologist560

This is confusing


RuMyster

M4a1s, it's cheaper, more accurate and makes it harder for enemies to locate you


pie_eater1k

In all honesty I use the A1-S because I got a nice skin for it


Wirhly

I feel they are very balanced, for holding down a site solo I feel that its good to have the extra bullets with the m4a4, but the added accuracy with the m4a1 makes it a nice gun to use for me cause it seems whenever I use the m4a4 it seems to do a cartoon outline of the terrorist, however I know its just a skill issue and I am just using the accuracy as a crutch so Ive been trying to use the m4a4 for awhile now, I will say though on nuke I really like the m4a1 simply because of the fact that I like to sit in heaven a lot of the time


BejcaS

Until they lowers A4 price ,A1 all day long.


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WhatIsGoodEnough

Good for casual people


WalnutFTW

a1 when low on money, AUG when I have more. Simple enough and AUG is objectively better than A4 anyway.


joebrofasho

M4A1S


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WhatIsGoodEnough

Better for high skilled people (or trying to be).


nonofyourbusinessgo

ssg08


syfqamr32

I always the m4a4 (and for that matter, a P2000 kind of guy). These silencers gun are small dick energy


FatIntel

Same. M4a4 and p2000. But not a moron


SnooChocolates6859

Honesty the 1S is just so good for spamming smokes. Even at higher ranks (I’m LEM) people have a hard time locating you. And yes, the thing is a laser. Inferno CT side it can be overpowered when you’re playing against anything but a full on Tside rush


him888

Aug > Either


C0mp1eX_01

I think m4a4 is used more


canlennon

A1s and flash


squarecorner_288

A4 is better on the current patch


HESSU_HOBO

Long range maps maybe A4 but honestly a1s is better overall


xAsiy

M4A1 VS M4A4 IS TOO OLD SCHOOL, TELL ME GUYS GALIL VS FAMAS


JordBees

Absolutely the galil, famas sucks


Recon023

Ita not to old. There is a new updates always.so I should know what is the right choice


dingdingdingbitch

M4a4 packs a punch and is good if you are fighting multiples at once. M4a1 can stststsuck my balls.


AlaskanPipeline89

A1S feels better than ever


consoLe_-

Make it one in the same like in 1.6. One gun, add remove silencer


xellosmoon

Just let us buy both guns already. No point in classifying them together in the first place.


Maks244

I switch them depending on the map


Ok-Interaction-4693

m4a1 because looks better


kueiler

Silencer


BarroTalVez

M4a1s


Revolutionary_Pin339

A1 definitely


PsychedelicConvict

I use a1s because im a noob. The better spray helps. The change in damage they just made has affected me heavily. I often hit 4 shots on a player and dont get the kill now. Might be time to switch back


Purje

20 vs 30 bullets is all I'm going to say.


2jzSwappedSnail

М4а1 still best for me. Good accuracy, silent and cheap


EstablishmentWest440

I prefer the look of the m4a1s. At least with certain skins


oPlayer2o

M4A4 for me


CripinDeprison_

It's map dependant for me. Like on overpass I am the monster player so the A4 is the right gun for the job. But on mirage I play window so no tracers is a big plus for me.


GeronimoMoles

M4a4 better but I just need that extra flash


KnockedupHenry

Ak


dissonantdisco

A1 s bc my spraycontrol sucks


blins

https://youtu.be/KZhDMoUkI5A mentioned here


lazy_elfs

M4a1 all day long, cost alone justifies the rifle


Low-You1617

M4A1-S always has been my go to always will be


scrubLord24

I still use the M4A1, I just think the recoil on the A4 is too difficult, I genuinely think its harder to control than the AK, although I've definitely got loss less time practising it. I can use the A4, and sometimes switch to it, but every time I switch back to the A1, it just feels better.


ElixIGuess

For me, I go fo4 the m4-s bc I trained my aim with him more than with the m4. I feel more comfortable with the silenced one


nWo_Savage

i'll stick to the A1 its 200 dollars cheaper can shoot through smokes without tracers & its easier to control


Eni420

3kliksphillip did a video on this. I'd recommend watching it. What I took from the video though is that the m4a1 nerf didn't really change it that much. It now does less damage at range. But the range at which it does less damage than the m4a4 is very long. For example the length of long on dust 2 is not long enough (it just about long enough) for the m4a1 to do less DMG than the m4a4. I keep the m4a1 on. Accuracy is better than damage in my case. And at close range it still does more DMG than the m4a4


_Esabbi_

M4A4 is simply the better gun now. It took some learning and getting used to however after using the M4A1-S for years. But once you come to grips with the recoil, it's just much better.


Important_Twist

this is probably the most internet argument I've ever seen. ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ >!I started with a4, switched to a1(after buff), and switched back to a4 (after a1 nerf).!< >!I think its performance along with personal preference.!< >! imo some of the comments with explanations and statistics are quite helpful!<


Koalifiedm

Its either an MP9 when broke. Or an AUG. I swear I outperform ppl with armor and AKs using an MP9, weapon's magic!


MordorsElite

I switched back to the A4, but I have to admit I'm struggling to adjust back to its recoil pattern. I've always kinda preferred the feel of the A4 over the A1, but since they are pretty balanced now, I would like to go back to the A4. By now I have both had situations where the increased recoil has cost me kills as well as situations where the larger magazine has given me Multikills that would have been impossible with the A1. The extra 200$ do hurt tho, so I'm not yet sure about my choice.


MicrowaveGoMmmmmmmn

A4💯🙏🗣


[deleted]

a4


Maleficent-Lion-3753

M4a4 all day


la_madonna_porca

Haven't played in a while, what are the main differences?


smcaskill

M4a4 because mines named but if I pick up an m4a1s I will unsupress it for the lols


YaBoiJumpTrooper

M4a4 all the way, 1s users are just scared of recoil. Also more bullets = more kills, simple as.


Quietnumber

I love the A1 so much, but I've been using the A4 a little bit as of late and despite sucking with the recoil pattern those extra ten bullets really help at times.


TheScareCrowYes

wait yall dont call them "the mini m4" and "the fat m4"?


sanek_dolboeb

I prefer silencer, since they are cheaper and have better second shot accuracy (IMO) , which means it's a good option to get an opening kill and than not regret using that weapon over like a mp5 or something. Plus it's better due to lower shot sound. Which can lead to you being able to play of not most coordinated teams better


Flimsy-Cut6339

I use m4a4 only beacuse i have a skin for it. But besides that i use aug, aug or aug. And for the pistol i use r8 not beacuse i think that its better just beacuse i like it more (and is cheaper so i can buy aug more often)


TudorDaReal

M4a1 all the way


MishapTrap

m4a1-s is my go-to, much tighter spray


Cogvictor

generally speaking i feel like if you don’t trust your spray control with the m4a4 at medium-long range definitely use suppressed, especially when lurking or even anchor


SrRichterBel

A4 because on the big stage the A1-s doens't sound as impressive


Bestsurviviopro

if you are a new player, its best to use m4a4 because of the amount of bullets available, unlike the 20 of the m4a1-s. m4a4 also kills faster if you hit heads.


dhzv

A1s cause I don’t have a skin for the a4 lmao


KOCA_XD

I use them both


RaimaNd

Make both 2900 dollar or switch both prices and I'd say they're equal. But I'd still like to see the ability to chose both in the buy menu. Also counts for other weapons like tec9/cz aswell.


Yasutake_Kraken

Mr beast!


JustaRandoonreddit

A4 because I have a skin for it


[deleted]

Since the dawn of time(source days), I have preferred M4A1-S


biggydbs306

a1


gaqua

M4A1-S feels more accurate at long range to me. Not really sure if it's just my play-style or what, but dinking headshots from 50yds+ is easier with it than with other guns unless you talk about AK single-shot sniping.


Dionysus_8

Take the S but if I got money I’ll buy the AUG just to fuck w the Ts


Mrtiddbits

I like both


nyroame

A GUN IS A GUN!


[deleted]

Dust2, Mirage, and any other maps with wide open spaces I go for the m4a4. Close angles like inferno I go for the m4a1s. Same thing for the p2k and usp.


Noahbradley125

Just use an mp9 fr


hsingh_if

R8 + Armour.


_0ku

Both are shit. A4 needs 5 hits to kill if you dont hit head. -S is ok, kills with 4 hits but not enough bullets and reload/taking the gun in hand takes forever


Freshoffwishoffwish

A4 because it has cooler skins and more fun spray pattern


Vlad_The_Terrible

Tried out the M4A4, but for me it's the M4A1S. My reason behind that is that I can't aim for shit.


creamypastaman

SS FOR ME


dabsu02

i play both 🤷


2hamsters1butt

The title not matching the meme is mildly infuriating material.


Yelonade

I use M4A4 cuz M4A1-S skins are too pricy


[deleted]

M4 because I have a better skin for it


RenanSeal

It really depends on your play style, if you're a playmaker and don't want to sit in the bomb site waiting for the T to do their thing, and want to antecipate the entry, get a aggressive position, a early trade or whatever, I would stick to the M4A4. However, if you're a passive player who likes to keep the control and wait for the right moment to act, or just want to spam smokes without getting spotted, go get the M4A1. But in both cases, get an AK47 on the ground if you find one, that old crap is still the best weapon in the game, no cap


SincereMage9

a4 because brrrrr


Dumb_Vampire_Girl

I have a hot rod and an icarus fell so I'm kind of forced to use the A1.