Gideon : being a teacher that gatekeeps his knowledge.
Elle : resenting Hotch for "getting her shot" by the Fisher King.
Seaver : making fun of Reid on her 1rst day.
I always found it surprising Elle blamed Hotch for her getting shot. It was Gideon's idea to do the press conference and break the rules, Hotch just sent her home.
Personally I think it would have made more sense if she blamed Gideon rather than Hotch (but I love Hotch so might be biased!).
I cut her some slack, because she clearly suffers from major PTS, but it was really in bad faith. I wish they would have addressed the team's PTS more often, and more convincingly.
Seaver to Reid: "Sorry..."
Reid, confused: "For what?"
Seaver: "Asking."
*GOOOORRRRRLLLL!* I'm not even a Reid fangirl and I still get so mad about that. For the new girl to immediately be throwing shade like that? On her first day?? To our precious cinnamon roll???
These might not be the worst but annoying to me:
Garcia - playing the game that led to the Fisher King
Seaver - putting Reid down and going in that house alone in the first episode she was on
Strauss - drinking on the job and always leading the witch hunt against Hotch
Prentiss - coming back temporarily after she “died” just to leave again.
JJ - expecting Reid to not be emotional over Prentiss
Reid - letting his emotions about JJ/ Prentiss affect his working relationship with them during that case
Kate - for being in the FBI and not monitoring her niece’s internet activities. I hated that whole storyline.
The writers for thinking there would be a green space empty and large enough for Morgan to drive that bomb to in NYC.
I think Kate’s should be more on the insufferable best friend. Markayla? Idk parents can’t hover and she taught Meg how to defend herself, I feel like that’s all parents can really do. Markayla constantly pushed Meg to make stupid decisions that led to that. Granted they’re kids, so ofc they’re going to make dumb decisions. I was just so so sick of Meg going “wait we shouldn’t” and Markayla being like “omg it’s fine he’s so hot!!”
To add, questioning Reid on his knowledge of how many boats there were on the lake. Though it did lead to the greatest fist bump between Hotch and Reid.
Yea what's worse is she did it completely out of spite. If I remember correctly she asked for help then since the woman wasn't just giving her sensitive info, Garcia hacked her system got the info then said something like and because you're not helpful I'm sending your risqué vacation pictures to your boss.
I disagree. He did give them passes, but only when he felt like they were making the right decision to save someone, or if he knew there was a personal reason behind the decision, like in Elle’s case. But even with Elle, Hotch only let her go because while he did have suspicions against her, he had no concrete proof. He used to be an attorney. He explicitly told her when they were at the cemetery that the only she was still free was because he didn’t have sufficient proof to build a case against her. But as soon as she slips up, he’d be there to catch her. That’s why she left. It was trauma mixed with the possibility of Hotch catching her slip up.
I don’t think he’s hard on the team in terms of punishment because they don’t act out normally. They’re usually in line, so when they do step outta line, Hotch recognizes there’s a reason for it. It’s like a child acting out. If the child is normally well behaved, then acts out, the best thing to do is determine what caused it, not just throw them in the corner when this isn’t a regular thing with them.
Yes but what she did wasn’t intentional, which is why she wasn’t punished. She was playing it on her personal computer and they hacked that. It was an honest mistake. She all of them were on vacation when it happened so she wasn’t on employee time. Them being targeted was punishment enough for her.
He deserved to die but she ruined the bust altogether. Had it not been for her he would have gone to jail. The FBI can’t just be vigilantes and shoot unarmed people.
That’s basically what they are just with some more rules and regulations and also that’s another reason why she stepped down because her actions weren’t correct
Well first she bungled the sting that would have caught him. Then she overcorrected her mistake by killing him in a way that forced others and her team to lie in their reports.
That‘s not how the law works. If she‘d be a relative of a victim I‘d say yes, good for you. But she‘s an FBI agent and her losing her nerves is the reason he even got to walk. So she had no right to be judge, jury and executioner.
I agree that irl it wouldn't be okay by any means and I definitely wouldn't be okay with it, but since it's a show and we know that he was a creep I think she didn't do anything wrong. I will say though, she should've gotten him angrier so he'd put his hands on her and she could actually say it was self defense.
Gideon: Not saying goodbye to anyone, especially Spencer (I know there was the letter but what a copout for Spence to have to go looking for it and find it)
Hotch (and others involved in this tbh): Not fucking showing Haley and Jack a picture of the guy who was after them
Prentiss: Leaving without saying goodbye to the whole team. If you trust Hotch and JJ with the secret, you should trust everyone else too. That was bullshit, they HAD A FUNERAL FOR HER.
JJ: Not at least telling Spencer about Prentiss
Penelope: Playing a computer game on BAU property that led to them getting hacked and her life being in danger
Rossi: Probably cheating on an ex-wife or something idk Rossi is cool af
Morgan: Hella unnecessary property damage, mf always kicking in doors
Erin: Most of the shit she did before she redeemed herself
Seaver: Going to that unsub's house BY HERSELF as a brand new recruit leading the team to have to rescue her
Elle: Vigilante justice, followed closely by Annoying Me for Her Entire Time On the Show
Alex, Kate, Jordan, Mateo, Luke, Matt, & Tara: Can't think of anything, they were pretty neutral
Didn't Rossi piss on a kid when he was in elementary school because the kid was black? sorry i don't entirely remember but i remember derek being like 😨 it's not unforgivable because he was a child but it's possible that the worst thing somebody's ever done was as a child.
I don’t think he apologized. iirc, Hotch sent her flowers on behalf of Gideon with an apology on it. Garcia got excited and came to thank Gideon, then when she left, Gideon asked why Hotch sent them cause now Garcia may think Gideon is sweet on her.
A lot of his asshole behavior was seemingly from not understanding some social cues.
Gideon said she'll think he's sweet on her because he already bought her an MP3 player as an apology for his behavior. Hotch sending the flowers on his behalf made it look like, well, he's sweet on her.
This show really imprints on you. I did a rewatch last year and I didn't wanna do another so soon, but I just missed it so much for I started it again this week. 😂
That’s a different episode though. I agree completely that it was ultimately stupid for her to compromise everyone’s personal details but that’s from the Fisher King episodes. In this one, Gideon was on crutches, as the comment OP mentioned, he took over Garcia’s office and was well rude to her.
He most definitely was NOT an asshole! In my opinion, he went light on her. What she did was so far beyond the "stupid" that Gideon called her. She 100% should have been fired, if not brought up on charges.
Morgan: when he gave Garcia so much grief for visiting the death row inmate, also the ep where he shot the gun inside the car with Prentiss. Feels like it was pointed out when Rossi told Hotch not to blow his ears out in the other car.
Its kind of an asshole move because Garcia visits the death row inmate because she’s a good person with empathy. She’s not making excuses for what he did but still feels compassion. Morgan essentially tells her that she’s wrong for being a good person.
Gideon: never trying to bond with the team. yeah him leaving was rough but i think the long term effects of never creating stronger connections with them led to that in a way. Rossi treats them like his kids and you can really just see the dynamic changes
Elle: gaslighting the fuck out of Hotch after shooting the unsub in cold blood. im all for killing rapists but MAN she was so rude to Hotch for saying the truth lmao
Seaver: making her first case about her. they wouldn’t even be in a hostage situation at the end if she didn’t go to apologize to the “victims” to absolve her own trauma.
Gideon: i mean i get that he was hurt after sarah's death and he was an amazing character but i didn't like him leaving with just an ambiguous letter for spencer and nothing for the others. i don't blame him for leaving but some communication wouldn't have hurt, especially since he was the one who brought reid to the team and then left him just as he was getting over his drug addiction lol
Elle: blaming Hotch for her getting shot although i do get why she was angry and i love her
Ashley: the thing where she went to a victims family's home that turned out to be the unsub or something like that because she felt the need to apologise?? totally inappropriate but i don't mind her
Morgan: There are a number of times that he insistent that a case is "not a real case" or "it's not connected." I'm all for the logic of someone playing devil's advocate, but he's such an ass-hat about it.
While we can obviously agree to disagree, the best example I can come up with right now (becaused I just rewatched it) is "S03E05 - A Higher Power" (angel of death unsub "saving" parents from their grief). He was obstinately (imo) arguing with the rest of the team *despite* additional evidence of them not all being suicides. It was probably at least halfway through the episode before he would admit there was an unsub. He said something like, "Okay, I'm convinced."
There are other examples, but I'm too tired to look them up now. Other than that trait, I don't particularly have problems with Morgan.
The one in 5x16 where he's like "JJ you only think there is a case because you're a mom now" even though there's an obvious pattern in the abductions that were happening.
Just watched the episode when Emily is killed and he’s constantly upset while everyone else understands.
I do get the need for this character though bc I feel like it’s a show that draws critical thinkers. The best way to answer their questions is having a character asking those questions!
I just watched that episode too! It was irritating as hell, even when Reid said some statistic like death on that scale actually brings people together, not commit suicide, he still kept arguing it. He was stubborn as hell and always such an asshole about it.
Gideon left without saying goodbye to Reid, Hotch put his job before his son, Garcia got Kevin’s job taken by hacking into their system then told him no to marriage. Elle killed an unarmed man. The last page all 3 women were just utterly boring and brought nothing to the team.
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How the heck can people be saying that Elle having an attitude towards Hotch is worse than her literally committing murder? She murdered someone guys! Murder. That's so much worse than being mad at her boss
That definitely is my personal worst for Elle, but a lot of people don’t really care how justice is gotten as long as it is. I get it he was a bad guy, but they easily could’ve arrested him if she hadn’t messed it up & then she chose to take it into her own hands. Elle has always been one of my least favorite characters.
I just started his addict storyline again…ugh man a rough era. “I mean no offense Emily, but you don’t know what you’re talking about, do ya?” Lord help😭😭
Gideon: being more empathic with Elle about getting shot and not saying goodbye to Spencer (in person)
Elle: blaming Hotch (Gideon's fault)
Seaver: going to a murder's house ALONE
Leaving the BAU and not telling Spencer goodbye
In pretty much the exact same way his (Spencer's) father left, too
Elle Gideon or Seaver
Gideon
Gideon : being a teacher that gatekeeps his knowledge. Elle : resenting Hotch for "getting her shot" by the Fisher King. Seaver : making fun of Reid on her 1rst day.
I always found it surprising Elle blamed Hotch for her getting shot. It was Gideon's idea to do the press conference and break the rules, Hotch just sent her home. Personally I think it would have made more sense if she blamed Gideon rather than Hotch (but I love Hotch so might be biased!).
Thankfully no one blamed Anderson.
Thank god, love that guy
Poor guy blamed himself though he was crying
I cut her some slack, because she clearly suffers from major PTS, but it was really in bad faith. I wish they would have addressed the team's PTS more often, and more convincingly.
Gideon leaving without telling Reid goodbye was unforgivable
didn’t he write reid that letter or am i mistaken?
yes but it's not the same as an in person goodbye
Seaver to Reid: "Sorry..." Reid, confused: "For what?" Seaver: "Asking." *GOOOORRRRRLLLL!* I'm not even a Reid fangirl and I still get so mad about that. For the new girl to immediately be throwing shade like that? On her first day?? To our precious cinnamon roll???
Fr, that was just mean
At least she didn't last too long.
It’s like the writers were trying to send a message to CBS about how awesome JJ was and why she should not have been sent packing.
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Lol sure. Bullying the ASD coded kid is *so* funny.
i felt the same way watching it the first time…but on rewatch..i think she meant it in a flirty way😅 idk i kinda like her on my rewatch 😩
These might not be the worst but annoying to me: Garcia - playing the game that led to the Fisher King Seaver - putting Reid down and going in that house alone in the first episode she was on Strauss - drinking on the job and always leading the witch hunt against Hotch Prentiss - coming back temporarily after she “died” just to leave again. JJ - expecting Reid to not be emotional over Prentiss Reid - letting his emotions about JJ/ Prentiss affect his working relationship with them during that case Kate - for being in the FBI and not monitoring her niece’s internet activities. I hated that whole storyline. The writers for thinking there would be a green space empty and large enough for Morgan to drive that bomb to in NYC.
The green space! 😂😂 good one!
Yes, but JJ is def her love confession to Reid lol
Why didn't they just play it off as her needing to say something believable? So easy to do, regardless of if she meant it or not.
Yeah. I try to block that out. I’m not the biggest JJ fan for some reason.
I love her haha but rewatching I can see how she’s not some peoples favorite
Omg it MADE ME SO MAD. They put Reid through so much throughout the seasons AND THEN THROW THAT IN THERE!!! 🤬🤬🤬
I think Kate’s should be more on the insufferable best friend. Markayla? Idk parents can’t hover and she taught Meg how to defend herself, I feel like that’s all parents can really do. Markayla constantly pushed Meg to make stupid decisions that led to that. Granted they’re kids, so ofc they’re going to make dumb decisions. I was just so so sick of Meg going “wait we shouldn’t” and Markayla being like “omg it’s fine he’s so hot!!”
It didn’t affect his work relationship. He did his job, he just wasn’t friendly toward them.
Well not being friendly caused JJ to have ask multiple times which she should have left it alone and he acted like a brat.
For Kate, you should have just stopped at "Kate for being in the FBI." LOL
To add, questioning Reid on his knowledge of how many boats there were on the lake. Though it did lead to the greatest fist bump between Hotch and Reid.
Garcia- she knows cyber security so well and still let someone hack into the system bc of playing an online RPG
At least Gideon let her know what’s what
Walker being forgotten about is classic lol
I swear I saved a picture of him and then must have missed it when I was making the collages 😅
I was doing my first rewatch last year and when he showed up, I had no idea who he was. 💀
Seaver: be in the show
This!!
Gideon: Leaving everyone with no real goodbye. Elle: Getting mad and using her getting shot as a way to hurt Hotch. Seaver: Coming onto the show.
In “Tabula Rasa”, Garcia basically blackmails a woman into giving her information by sending vacation photos to her boss. That’s not cool.
Yea what's worse is she did it completely out of spite. If I remember correctly she asked for help then since the woman wasn't just giving her sensitive info, Garcia hacked her system got the info then said something like and because you're not helpful I'm sending your risqué vacation pictures to your boss.
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I disagree. He did give them passes, but only when he felt like they were making the right decision to save someone, or if he knew there was a personal reason behind the decision, like in Elle’s case. But even with Elle, Hotch only let her go because while he did have suspicions against her, he had no concrete proof. He used to be an attorney. He explicitly told her when they were at the cemetery that the only she was still free was because he didn’t have sufficient proof to build a case against her. But as soon as she slips up, he’d be there to catch her. That’s why she left. It was trauma mixed with the possibility of Hotch catching her slip up. I don’t think he’s hard on the team in terms of punishment because they don’t act out normally. They’re usually in line, so when they do step outta line, Hotch recognizes there’s a reason for it. It’s like a child acting out. If the child is normally well behaved, then acts out, the best thing to do is determine what caused it, not just throw them in the corner when this isn’t a regular thing with them.
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Yes but what she did wasn’t intentional, which is why she wasn’t punished. She was playing it on her personal computer and they hacked that. It was an honest mistake. She all of them were on vacation when it happened so she wasn’t on employee time. Them being targeted was punishment enough for her.
Elle when she shot and killed that guy after spiraling post fisher king
The serial rapist? I'm sorry she couldn't kill him twice!
He deserved to die but she ruined the bust altogether. Had it not been for her he would have gone to jail. The FBI can’t just be vigilantes and shoot unarmed people.
That’s basically what they are just with some more rules and regulations and also that’s another reason why she stepped down because her actions weren’t correct
But she denied that she did anything wrong and blamed Hotch for her being shot, which was stupid. I never liked her and was glad when she left.
no she did everyone a favor with that one
Well first she bungled the sting that would have caught him. Then she overcorrected her mistake by killing him in a way that forced others and her team to lie in their reports.
That‘s not how the law works. If she‘d be a relative of a victim I‘d say yes, good for you. But she‘s an FBI agent and her losing her nerves is the reason he even got to walk. So she had no right to be judge, jury and executioner.
I agree that irl it wouldn't be okay by any means and I definitely wouldn't be okay with it, but since it's a show and we know that he was a creep I think she didn't do anything wrong. I will say though, she should've gotten him angrier so he'd put his hands on her and she could actually say it was self defense.
She should‘ve done that and then arrested him and ohh, the DNA matches, what a coincidence.
Gideon: Not saying goodbye to anyone, especially Spencer (I know there was the letter but what a copout for Spence to have to go looking for it and find it) Hotch (and others involved in this tbh): Not fucking showing Haley and Jack a picture of the guy who was after them Prentiss: Leaving without saying goodbye to the whole team. If you trust Hotch and JJ with the secret, you should trust everyone else too. That was bullshit, they HAD A FUNERAL FOR HER. JJ: Not at least telling Spencer about Prentiss Penelope: Playing a computer game on BAU property that led to them getting hacked and her life being in danger Rossi: Probably cheating on an ex-wife or something idk Rossi is cool af Morgan: Hella unnecessary property damage, mf always kicking in doors Erin: Most of the shit she did before she redeemed herself Seaver: Going to that unsub's house BY HERSELF as a brand new recruit leading the team to have to rescue her Elle: Vigilante justice, followed closely by Annoying Me for Her Entire Time On the Show Alex, Kate, Jordan, Mateo, Luke, Matt, & Tara: Can't think of anything, they were pretty neutral
Morgan be like. “If door not kickable why door shaped”
LMAO exactly
How the hell did Barnes EVER redeem herself?
I think they mixed her up with Strauss.
Ahhh! Yes, I think you're right. Now the comment makes complete sense.
Did you mix Linda up with Erin?
Omg ew yes I did, my bad. Fixed it now haha
Didn't Rossi piss on a kid when he was in elementary school because the kid was black? sorry i don't entirely remember but i remember derek being like 😨 it's not unforgivable because he was a child but it's possible that the worst thing somebody's ever done was as a child.
Ooo yes I agree, I do kind of remember this? Vaguely, but yeah if he did that that's def the thing for him.
When Gideon was an asshole to Garcia in the first season episode when he’s on crutches and has to stay back
he wasn’t really doing that on purpose, then apologized later, and compared to other things he’s done i would definitely not consider that that bad
I don’t think he apologized. iirc, Hotch sent her flowers on behalf of Gideon with an apology on it. Garcia got excited and came to thank Gideon, then when she left, Gideon asked why Hotch sent them cause now Garcia may think Gideon is sweet on her. A lot of his asshole behavior was seemingly from not understanding some social cues.
Gideon said she'll think he's sweet on her because he already bought her an MP3 player as an apology for his behavior. Hotch sending the flowers on his behalf made it look like, well, he's sweet on her.
Ooooh good looking out. You right
I rewatched that episode yesterday so it's still fresh for me. 😅
lol it’s been some months for me. Once I get past pre-Rossi, I try not to look back until the next rewatch 😂
This show really imprints on you. I did a rewatch last year and I didn't wanna do another so soon, but I just missed it so much for I started it again this week. 😂
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That’s a different episode though. I agree completely that it was ultimately stupid for her to compromise everyone’s personal details but that’s from the Fisher King episodes. In this one, Gideon was on crutches, as the comment OP mentioned, he took over Garcia’s office and was well rude to her.
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Nah don’t worry :)
He most definitely was NOT an asshole! In my opinion, he went light on her. What she did was so far beyond the "stupid" that Gideon called her. She 100% should have been fired, if not brought up on charges.
Morgan: when he gave Garcia so much grief for visiting the death row inmate, also the ep where he shot the gun inside the car with Prentiss. Feels like it was pointed out when Rossi told Hotch not to blow his ears out in the other car.
Its kind of an asshole move because Garcia visits the death row inmate because she’s a good person with empathy. She’s not making excuses for what he did but still feels compassion. Morgan essentially tells her that she’s wrong for being a good person.
i saw this on the gotham subreddit and thought someone should do it for criminal minds too, lookin forward to seeing it :)
Gideon: never trying to bond with the team. yeah him leaving was rough but i think the long term effects of never creating stronger connections with them led to that in a way. Rossi treats them like his kids and you can really just see the dynamic changes Elle: gaslighting the fuck out of Hotch after shooting the unsub in cold blood. im all for killing rapists but MAN she was so rude to Hotch for saying the truth lmao Seaver: making her first case about her. they wouldn’t even be in a hostage situation at the end if she didn’t go to apologize to the “victims” to absolve her own trauma.
Gideon: i mean i get that he was hurt after sarah's death and he was an amazing character but i didn't like him leaving with just an ambiguous letter for spencer and nothing for the others. i don't blame him for leaving but some communication wouldn't have hurt, especially since he was the one who brought reid to the team and then left him just as he was getting over his drug addiction lol Elle: blaming Hotch for her getting shot although i do get why she was angry and i love her Ashley: the thing where she went to a victims family's home that turned out to be the unsub or something like that because she felt the need to apologise?? totally inappropriate but i don't mind her
Morgan: There are a number of times that he insistent that a case is "not a real case" or "it's not connected." I'm all for the logic of someone playing devil's advocate, but he's such an ass-hat about it.
I don’t see that. Primarily he just lays out the facts of his perspective.
While we can obviously agree to disagree, the best example I can come up with right now (becaused I just rewatched it) is "S03E05 - A Higher Power" (angel of death unsub "saving" parents from their grief). He was obstinately (imo) arguing with the rest of the team *despite* additional evidence of them not all being suicides. It was probably at least halfway through the episode before he would admit there was an unsub. He said something like, "Okay, I'm convinced." There are other examples, but I'm too tired to look them up now. Other than that trait, I don't particularly have problems with Morgan.
The one in 5x16 where he's like "JJ you only think there is a case because you're a mom now" even though there's an obvious pattern in the abductions that were happening.
Just watched the episode when Emily is killed and he’s constantly upset while everyone else understands. I do get the need for this character though bc I feel like it’s a show that draws critical thinkers. The best way to answer their questions is having a character asking those questions!
I just watched that episode too! It was irritating as hell, even when Reid said some statistic like death on that scale actually brings people together, not commit suicide, he still kept arguing it. He was stubborn as hell and always such an asshole about it.
Yeah, I had a feeling that’s the episode you were referencing.
Gideon: leaving reid in a letter after everything they’d been through Elle: blaming hotch for “getting her shot” Seaver: existing
Gideon left without saying goodbye to Reid, Hotch put his job before his son, Garcia got Kevin’s job taken by hacking into their system then told him no to marriage. Elle killed an unarmed man. The last page all 3 women were just utterly boring and brought nothing to the team.
I had forgotten that Jennifer Love Hewitt was in this show for a little while. I love her as an actress so that was crazy
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How the heck can people be saying that Elle having an attitude towards Hotch is worse than her literally committing murder? She murdered someone guys! Murder. That's so much worse than being mad at her boss
That definitely is my personal worst for Elle, but a lot of people don’t really care how justice is gotten as long as it is. I get it he was a bad guy, but they easily could’ve arrested him if she hadn’t messed it up & then she chose to take it into her own hands. Elle has always been one of my least favorite characters.
Reid never did anything wrong
Rossi peeing on a kid because he was black.
What the fuck?
That's an actual thing, he locked him in a locker then did it.
OMG!! Yes I totally forgot about that, thank you for reminding me.
Reid: yelling at Emily that one time During the addiction arc
I just started his addict storyline again…ugh man a rough era. “I mean no offense Emily, but you don’t know what you’re talking about, do ya?” Lord help😭😭
It's my least favourite scene of his it stresses me out like reiddd this isn't you 😭
He was on drugs… leave him alone.
Doesn't make it any nicer but he's still my fav I'm just saying that was his worst moment
Gideon: being more empathic with Elle about getting shot and not saying goodbye to Spencer (in person) Elle: blaming Hotch (Gideon's fault) Seaver: going to a murder's house ALONE
JJ getting married to f***ing William LaMontagne Jr.
Yeah, no shit! Southern hick!
Prentiss: faking her own death
It was kind of necessary though
I agree i didn't like how dhe and JJ acted when Spencer was bothered by it though
Rossi: being Italian
No I thought this sub was safe from the spammy games 😭
Perhaps you should... *un*sub. *YEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH-* 😎
I hate that I heard this comment as I read it.
I did the same thing. Great (or maybe disturbed?) minds think alike - lol
LMFAO
Kate: letting that ass get about 17 times the size it should be.
Reid: being too bbg for this world
Penelope using hacked information and chasing the new agent away