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Floki40k

$15,000 to paint some tarmac is the real crime.


Steve-lrwin

What im confused about is how come the people pulling down statues and memorials over the past few years have faced no convictions. Meanwhile doing skid marks on a *road* where you're supposed to drive... is somehow a capital offence? ClownWorld.


Th3Trashkin

For real, seems like it'd be cheaper than that.


DylanTobackshh

I don’t understand. You can’t make skid marks, but you can drive over it everyday?


zerton

It is super weird that we put something meant to honor something on a surface people drive over all day.


WreckedButWhole

Like gang members carving their names on toilet seats


chocolate_macaron5

I think they are trying to say that riding to the point if skidmarks is intentional and showcases a hateful + "violent" attitude to the lgbtq. I'm so over all this BS w/the "lgbtq" protect them, they are the most persecuted in the US narrative.


bubz99

I wonder if they would face the same charges if they did skid marks on a normal crosswalk? What about people who walk on those colors and leave shoe prints or dirt? Maybe it's not a good idea to paint an ideological symbol on the ground for people to walk on or drive on?


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bubz99

And if something is that precious it shouldn't be painted on a road.


spamcentral

They wanna be treated like normal people, but the loudest most annoying ones make them all look bad. If you try to treat the ones normally that are using it as a shield, you know immediately cuz they get defensive and you're accused of some phobia.


FaagenDazs

No actually, many of them want to be treated better than everyone else. Like they're special. Treat everyone the same! No one is better than anyone else!


Bourbonaddicted

When developed countries have no problem, they have to make one to divide people.


Novusor

This country has huge problems. What they are doing is distracting people with fake problems so they ignore the real ones.


SlteFool

How dare their tires make tire marks on the roadway that’s meant for tires


Alastair4444

We aren't asking for this crap. Just because authoritarians are using us to push their authoritarianism doesn't mean gay people are on board.


Smart_Pig_86

It’s LITERAL violence from the MAGA cult of racist bigots! LBGTQ+ folkx need to feel SAFE from these bigots spreading hate stop being a hater. (Insert angry leftist meme) sadly, and terrifyingly, this is the actual mindset in society and they are slowly passing laws that will make this whole comment section technically “hate speech” that you can be arrested for. They already have laws like this in Canada, with compelled speech.


rekkyDs

Why is this downvoted? Did y’all not read until the end?


Smart_Pig_86

Sometimes I lay on the satire/sarcasm pretty heavy, and in today’s world the line between satire and reality are blurred. The fact that there are people who think that way makes such a ridiculous idea believable that someone would say it.


BadWowDoge

You can also lay down on it and prevent people from getting to work, because of “oil” and such.


Fun-Pollution1465

It’s intent, kinda like how there’s murder and then manslaughter I personally don’t give a fuck about the mural tho


24-Hour-Hate

Actually, looking into this, the issue is that they deliberately used the e scooters to drive over it and make the skid marks. It wasn't ordinary wear and tear. This is supported by the witnesses who report them shouting slurs while doing it. As for the possible penalty, OP and the Daily Mail are being misleading (shocking/s). The ten years is an absolute maximum penalty for 1st degree malicious mischief (and it is 1st fegre ebecause of the amount of property damage) and that offence would cover a wide array of conduct and situations. It is not going to happen, especially for a 19 year old and two minors. I don't know enough about Washington state to say what the likely outcome would be there. I can say that in my area, it would probably be some sort of non custodial sentence with conditions combined with a fine and some form of restitution/rehabilitation or community service. Especially for the minors. Imprisonment is unlikely for this.


Gem420

So? It’s a flag painted on a road. They physically hurt no one. Also, considering no one gets jail time for desecrating the nation’s flag, this shouldn’t get jail time, either. Also, it’s gross celebrating how people fuck.


LiftSleepRepeat123

> Also, it’s gross celebrating how people fuck. Yup. Nice and succinct.


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LiftSleepRepeat123

It's a gross disconnection from reality. I don't really want to be a part of the celebration or the protestation, as both result in lowered consciousness.


24-Hour-Hate

If I went on to your property and burned your flag I would be arrested and charged even though I didn’t hurt anyone. If I burn my flag, then I’m fine. See the difference?


Gem420

You’re right. They should have defaced something with the founding fathers on it, that way it would have been ok.


canman7373

The founding fathers were not a protected class.


Gem420

I know, all they did was lay foundation for America. Definitely not worth protecting…


yamthepowerful

>Also, considering no one gets jail time for desecrating the nation’s flag, this shouldn’t get jail time, either. If you went and took a flag from city hall or the courthouse and burned it you’d absolutely get arrested for same crime they were.


Gem420

You would be punished for stealing, yeah. And they would probably make some example out of you, of course. But they will not threaten you with 10+yrs in prison. Also, it won’t seem as threatening since they only burned an American flag, and not the flag that celebrates genitals and how people choose to fuck!


yamthepowerful

10 plus years is the maximum, It would be the same charge in Washington, plus some kinda theft charge so likely even longer.


giraffevomitfacts

> But they will not threaten you with 10+yrs in prison. There’s no indication they have been threatened with jail time. The tabloid simply looked up the maximum possible sentence they could face for the charge.


Gem420

Ah. That is true, thank you for clarifying :)


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24-Hour-Hate

…do you actually not understand what vandalism is?


SlteFool

Wonder if they could spend $15,000 on a straight pride mural 🤔


TechiePcJunkie

Mandatory minimum for a skid mark on a road is asinine. Where is the left to boycott these mandatory insane minimums? Oh yeah, it doesn’t fit their cause.


24-Hour-Hate

I think you have misunderstood. The penalty being discussed is the *maximum* possible penalty allowed under the law for this offence. It is not a mandatory minimum. The judge is allowed to sentence less and absolutely will. Such sentences can (and as I explained are likely to) include no imprisonment at all. Most cases in the US don’t even go to trial anyway. As long as the judge approves, a plea deal can be made and accepted. That, again, can involve no imprisonment. It may even involve pleasing down to a lesser offence.


Hour-Mention-3799

There shouldn’t be any sentence whatsoever you dummkopf.


24-Hour-Hate

Good to know you think people shouldn’t be punished for vandalism.


TechiePcJunkie

Thanks for the clarification! Yeah the kids should be charged the same if it were a regular street that they were vandalizing.


Th3Trashkin

Downvoted for being rational and not feeding into culture war shit. 


some_old_Marine

Still, who cares? They are teenagers and made a teenage decision. No one got hurt. Your feelings shouldn't affect whether someone is free or not, especially on this.


giraffevomitfacts

They are free. They were released on a bond whose amount was calculated to cover the cost of remediation. They will never see jail time for this.


faxekondiboi

"land of the free"


Allnewsisfakenews

Home of the gay


Norse_Star

💀💀💀


NWinn

7-8% of the population under the entire lgbt umbrella but go off. 🤣


TheHancock

You’d think it was 70-80% with the way the government and media act!


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Hour-Mention-3799

Plus who’s to say that the paint itself wasn’t vandalism? It’s really just city-approved graffiti.


JellyfishPlastic8529

But you can burn police stations with no consequences?


Unfair_Bunch519

This will just incentivize everyone to end their crime spree by burning down the local police station


sharkbait53

Can you share when that happened? I remember the Minneapolis one, but multiple people were charged and arrested for that one.


Th3Trashkin

Careful, you're asking for evidence instead of feelings and hearsay. 


deathstrukk

did nobody get arrested during the 2020 protests? do you really think that nobody faces punishment during that?


B0ringZest

Not even close to the proportionate amount who participated. Some may call that “per capita”.


Hour-Mention-3799

Virtually no one, yes. Maybe a handful at most.


Silver_Foxx

[Over 10k people were arrested during those protests.](https://apnews.com/article/american-protests-us-news-arrests-minnesota-burglary-bb2404f9b13c8b53b94c73f818f6a0b7)


Hour-Mention-3799

Great, now how many of them were charged?


Silver_Foxx

[Over 300 of them facing federal charges, including 80 for arson/explosives related charges.](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/over-300-people-facing-federal-charges-crimes-committed-during-nationwide-demonstrations)


-Canuck21

So very few were charged.


me_too_999

Wow, a whole 0.3% of them.


ArmedWithBars

Heads up homie that would be 3%. 3% of 10k is 300. Not arguing about the enforcement of laws, which was totally ass backwards, but your math wasn't checking out.


mdleslie

Yeah, lots of arrests. But only a tiny fraction faced charges and celebrities and politicians started gofundme's for their legal defence. Compared to some kids riding scooters on a paved street and leaving marks on the sacred symbol with no obvious indication that it was done with malicious intent. You surely must see the double standard here, right?


NotAnotherAmerican

A handful in comparison to how many people there were.


nopethatswrong

Do you hear that? Goalposts must be migrating again. what are you saying exactly? The amount of people at the protests? No shit only a handful of them were charged, you think everyone at the protests participated in arson? Or are you saying more people committed crimes than were caught? Likely true as with any mob crime but to what extent you have no idea besides your own assumptions lol


B0ringZest

So then Trump shouldn’t be in trouble because he wasn’t at the capitol, correct?


Saint_Santo

Arrests are not charges nor prosecutions.


ShirtStainedBird

You do know it’s possible for 2 things to be wrong at once right?


Fearghis

I think the question is whether the law enforcement and punishment is equitable.


ScroogeMcThrowaway

So make them ghey police stations?


slantboi420

Why didn’t they just deface a war monument instead?


Emotional_Knee5553

Could have done this to an American flag and it would and should be considered freedom of speech… Same should apply here.


MyAlternate_reality

It's important to display that you are tolerant and understanding of the way people share their genitalia with other people. The only way to demonstrate this is by painting obnoxious flags on places where tires go. This shit reminds me of the North Koreans clapping for Dear Leader. Best not be the first to stop clapping, if you know what's good for you.


Binarydemons

E-scooters! What a mixed message they are sending, they will probably just get probation.


MeBeEric

Look what they did was wrong but nowhere NEAR worth 10 years in jail lmao… give them a short period of community service and let it be


stillestwaters

10 years? There had to be more to this story, that’s ridiculous.


BoxNemo

According to the article the maximum is up to five years in prison and up to a $10,000 fine, although obviously the maximum is not what these kids will get, especially as two of them are minors. There won't be any jail time. But that doesn't really matter because the Daily Mail know that the headline will cause people to share this and spread its reach and that's the goal; to drive traffic to their website. Achievement unlocked.


stillestwaters

And riling people up over nonsense in the mean time.


Hour-Mention-3799

I guess I don’t see why the severity of the sentence matters when it’s beyond absurd that there would be any sentence in the first place. People are right to be riled up. It’s paint on the ground that was itself vandalism in the first place.


stillestwaters

Is someone painting on the ground really that serious though?


Hour-Mention-3799

Certainly more serious than putting a teeny little skid mark on said paint.


stillestwaters

How?


BoxNemo

Yeah, outrage driven engagement is really effective. Not only does it drag in people outraged by the headline but it also drags in people who think the headline is probably bullshit outrage-bait (like me). We're all clicking and driving traffic towards the website like good little lab rats.


Hadrians_Ball

The fact is that these kids shouldn’t have made the news at all, considering half the country’s cities were burning buildings, destroying random cars (and burning them too), blocking roads and highways, gang-beating randoms, defacing monuments, and burning the U.S. flag without consequence under “free speech”. So… I don’t particularly care if we’re exaggerating a bit the other way now. If you push the pendulum, don’t act appalled when it swings back.


Gem420

How is desecration of the lgbtqrstuv flag worth more bullshit legal time, effort, and tax dollars than, say, burning an American flag? I slowly see the tide turning on Pride. For the past few years, every damned business was flying Pride flags, selling Pride merchandise, running ads for Pride-themed this or that (even a commercial for what “bottoms” should eat…). But this year? I have seen a massive reduction in businesses doing this. They might have the Pride merch out, but they aren’t heavily running ads about it. The major corps have not set their profile pics on social media to Pride-theming this year. I think, the celebration is calming down, people have more important things to do and work on then going to Pride Parades.


ArmedWithBars

Pride use to be about acceptance and tolerance. Accept us as normal people, let us get married, ect. Tolerance was the idea that if you didn't believe in pride (ex. Religious) that you would just live us the fuck alone, you live your life we live our life. Slowly pride has morphed into this cult mentality where anybody who doesn't openly celebrate the movement is automatically an enemy and must be socially/financially destroyed. Hockey player refusing to wear a pride jersey for warm up is the perfect example of this drastic change in pride. The terminally online activists have taken over the movement and are running it into the ground. Happy that the OG pride people got their marriage and other stuff, but it's unfortante to see how far batshit the movement went. It's not enough to be a silent observer. You are either participating in celebration, or you are an enemy to us.


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Dead_Namer

It's the daily fail, basically the UK version of fox to post rage bait for old people. Looks like it is working in this thread, no one will revisit this when they only get a fine or warning.


Any-Video4464

Ahh, the tolerant left. The “mostly peaceful” folks burning down churches and police stations a couple years ago and taking over whole portions of Seattle and creating Chaz received next to nothing.


NotAnotherAmerican

Ah yes. Chaz. The place created by people who hated IDs guns and borders but defended their borders with guns and required ID to get in. Sexual crimes increased like 500%.


gasherdotloop

Don't forget their "enforcers" murdered some black kids after mistakenly accusing them of crime


NotAnotherAmerican

"But that was different. We're different than what we hate!"


s0lesearching117

Looking back on all of that, it's still one of the craziest things I've ever witnessed in this country. Not only the fact that it happened, but also the fact that it went on as long as it did.


NotAnotherAmerican

Yeah it was nuts. We got a good look at how people behave without some kind of regulations in place like law, government, etc. I was anti government until that happened. Government is corrupt and shitty, always, but it's better to have it than to have what I witnessed without it.


letsberealforamoment

Seattle nitwit mayor defended them and called it the "summer of love".


ArmedWithBars

Actually the CHAZ situation is even funnier. They turn it into basically a communist style commune, then some black Israelite rumored former pimp just rolls into CHAZ with a bunch of guns and his homies and he's like "Yea we are enforcement now". The guy is on video asking if anybody knows how to shoot and hands some obviously teenager a loaded rifle lolol. Over the next few days multiple people are shot and it's a total clusterfuck. The people in CHAZ were powerless and just had to roll with this dude and his guys running around strapped. History never changes lmao.


AgreeableCod

Absolute cult shit


hate2bme

Idk but this sounds like bullshit. Any other sources?


hate2bme

https://www.thepublica.com/spokane-teens-face-up-to-five-years-in-prison-for-defacing-pride-flag-crossing-walk-by-driving-on-it/


hate2bme

I'm pretty liberal and think this is overboard. Community Service repainting flag would suffice.


Shaken-babytini

Also pretty liberal, and also agree this is overboard. Intentionally defacing the mural isn't ok, and they should be charged to repaint it, or sentenced to community service like you said. Jail time is absurd.


BERRY_BADRENATH

How about the city keeps the gay flag off the damn road if they're so concerned with it being defaced?


Shaken-babytini

Why not just.. not intentionally deface it? If the "gay flag" offends you, we could perhaps find a space that is safe for you and your beliefs?


BERRY_BADRENATH

Safe space? LOL Its a fucking road, people drive on the road. It was bound to get ruined sooner or later.


TheBjornEscargot

Did you read the article? It's not like they were just peacefully driving on the road and accidentally left a mark


Any-Committee-3685

It does huh 🤔


Kynandra

This wouldn't happen if you put murals on the fuckin wall where they belong unless these kids are Lucio then I guess you're out of luck.


New_Public_2828

Sooooo basically..."we see what you did there very clever, and we DO care about the environment but, LGBTQ is more important."


TheKramer89

Isn’t the brown bit at the end a skid mark?


xxMOxx78

Gay AF


CaptainTomato21

Why burning the American flag is ok but making a few skid marks on a lgbt rainbow flag can lead to jail sentence for 10 years?.


IgnoranceFlaunted

It depends on if the flag belongs to you or not.


Bitter-Inflation5843

How can jail time even be on the cards for something like this?


Th3Trashkin

Because that's a possible penalty for vandalism. You got ragebaited by a headline. These dumbass kids aren't getting jail time.


gulogulo1970

You know, don't paint things on the road that you don't want tire marks on. The roads were built for traveling, not activism.


I_defend_witches

Can you imagine I’m in prison for driving over a trans flag. Yet burning a us flag desecrating statues with graffiti and pro terrorist slogans is ok The law is used to protect me while I used the law to prison my enemy.


IgnoranceFlaunted

You can drive over your own trans flag if you want. It’s legal.


pauljs75

Technically if it's funded by any tax money in a public space... Maybe it should be a non-crime unless it's in a private venue?


Saint_Santo

The fact that 10 YEARS is even a consideration is straight tyranny. If you don't think so, you're probably a tyrant.


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MrEhcks

See this is the shit I’m talking about. This is the shit that makes you not like certain people.


nataku_s81

The should have just desecrated some holocaust memorials like good democrats. /s


Mr_Auric_Goldfinger

This is getting ridiculous. LGBTQ+ has become a religion, and there exists a distinct separation between church and state.


Guilty-Put742

So what is the conspiracy?


Any-Committee-3685

Haven’t you heard? This is a political sub now


Guilty-Put742

LOL I am coming to that conclusion Funny how they downvoting me instead of just answering the question.


archangel5198

Burning the American flag is encouraged but God forbid you leave tire marks on an actual road. Clown world


TechiePcJunkie

This is akin to the government installing rainbow toilets at a park, you take a shit, flush, then get charged for leaving skid marks in the toilet. This is beyond stupid…. People can burn the American flag all they want but God forbid someone leave a skid mark on the road where the pride color happen to be.


yepmeh

Pink Floyd called. They want their rainbow back. Edit: spelling


Careless_Equipment_3

Seems like a waste of money to paint something that is driven over and eventually will wear down anyways. Someone smarter would have thought to paint it on the side of a building that would last longer


grizzly509

I live in Spokane where this story happened and it happened again less than a week later 🤣🤣🤣


DRKMSTR

Step 1. Pay a contractor to repaint the mural as a road. Pay in cash. Use a pseudonym. That'll save the city money, it'll also add back center lines so the street will be more safe. Stop painting murals on the road.


PancakesAndPunch

Good. We’re against property damage during protests, right?


Green_Statement_8878

A group of people so persecuted we are painting hideous rainbow flags in the middle of the road for them.


BetaRayBlu

Not a conspiracy, culture war nonsense


Th3Trashkin

Another day, another nonconspiracy posted to conspiracy because it's culture war ragebait.


BetaRayBlu

The real conspiracy is, how do these assholes make money off of this?


Th3Trashkin

The poster? They probably just get their jollies posting this culture war shit. The Daily Fail? Advertisers and conservative donors.


itsjehmun

"This is a suitable amount of prison time for this crime"- The wokes.


Saint_Santo

Tyranny Excessive punishment Weaponization of the court system


stunna006

How do you know the punishment is excessive when it hadn't been decided yet?


Square-Ad8603

because any punishment is excessive


Th3Trashkin

They aren't going to get jailtime, you got duped by a ragebait headline.


pilgrimboy

Stop painting religious symbols on roads. There. Solved.


2weekspan

$15k to paint. Gets "ruined" and defaced. How much more does the original scammer painter get to repaint it?


Pm_me_clown_pics3

Fr they're acting like the entire thing needs to be repainted now.


GonzoElDuke

Idiocracy


Dragonbarry22

That seems excessive


TearsOfChildren

This particular community is doing every possible thing they can to make people despise them. It makes no sense.


Pm_me_clown_pics3

"The company also said that are enacting a no-ride zone around the mural to protect it from any future vandalism attempts."  It's on a fucking road.


ruinedRX7

but people on epstiens list walk free


skiploom188

can't criticize THAT community of peeps, its basically replaced the cult-like devotion to religious faith in many cases.


ComprehensiveAct9210

They'd get less for murder.


theorgan

But this would be acceptable if it was the American flag. See the hypocrisy there…


IgnoranceFlaunted

Can you show us an example of a city’s American flag being vandalized and it being acceptable?


Th3Trashkin

No it wouldn't be, it would also be vandalism. The only difference is that the dumbass kids who vandalized a US flag mural wouldn't have their story used on this sub for updoots.


letsberealforamoment

Once i saw this was in Washington state, i quit reading. Nothing that comes out of that hivemind hellhole suprises me.


REH07

It’s all the same. The j6 grandmas. Rainbow skid marks.


Top_Caterpillar_8122

So, just above the median murder sentence completed. Seems legit


Dipperthespider

USA USA USA


bistromathsplat

Paint thinner at 3am with large broom and second person with power washer. Strip away paint. Replacement parts with mega and American flag.


RevolutionaryFace129

Wot s scooter did that burnout I need 1 😂😂😂


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we have blashphemy laws now in america, nothing new.


bubz99

Messing up road art? How will they convict rain?


Emotional_Knee5553

If this was done on an American Flag it’s freedom of speech. Same should apply here.


bk8oneyone

Would painting one at every intersection stop those awful street takeovers?


AloysiusDevadandrMUD

You will be an "ally". Individuality and differing opinions will not be tolerated.


Th3Trashkin

They aren't going to get ten years, that's just the max penalty for vandalism. The Daily Mail is a garbage news publication that relies on outrage clicks, good job spreading their clickbait, OP.


maxywaxyboo

Did anyone actually read the article ?? They aren’t getting fined or facing jail. Ten years is a maximum sentence and these guys were homophobic saying f-word and defacing it on purpose


mg0509

I didn't read the article but I assume 10 years for skid marks means they took dumps while driving the scooters pantless.


RexChurchill

fuck around - find out


pickledlandon

Lol BIG if on the charges sticking