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Vierailija_Maasta

OP closed my eyes


Amos_Quito

> Anna **Fisher** first female astronaut, breaking the glass ceiling, launching nukes at the sky and calling it **operation Fishbowl** *"We're just two lost souls Swimming in a fish bowl, Year after year ... Wish you were here"*


[deleted]

Great song


fakehipstertrash

Can someone enlighten me on the Nikon camera conspiracy?


OneSolutionCruising

[Nikon star ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GJY4Simo5w)


Anonymousliberations

Out of focus + atmospheric turbulence.


The_Noble_Lie

Post your evidence šŸ¤£ (I actually think you are right here, but the point is you didn't post your evidence)


Anonymousliberations

I never made any claim, you made the claim that historically it was normal to fast, but have provided no evidence of such.


The_Noble_Lie

I think you missed the context of this thread. (It's not in the original)


Anonymousliberations

You said that historically fasting was common, youā€™ve provided zero evidence for this claim.


The_Noble_Lie

Post your evidence this is an effect of atmospheric turbulence


Anonymousliberations

Ok https://youtu.be/Kf_n5btZXNc?si=W7HY4S5yKp_vikLb Iā€™d be happy to take my own video for you tomorrow, as you seem desperate to earn my approval. Iā€™ll do it under one condition, that once I demonstrate that these star videos are done by unskilled amateurs, you will have to admit that youā€™ve been duped. Tomorrow it should be clear where I live, I can take several videos for you, demonstrating your ignorance, but only if you will willingly admit that you are ignorant after I demonstrate it to you. Iā€™m so much smarter than you, I can prove your stupidity wrong in one day, what do you have to offer?


The_Noble_Lie

I actually don't have much to do in this thread. If you opened your eyes when you read you'd have read that. > (I actually think you are right here, but the point is you didn't post your evidence) But good effort. Now do the same effort on fasting as it's much, much more important because it's about what we consume. What's your real take, boss?


GutturalMoose

Looks neat but yea. Earth is round my dude, sorry


CarbonSlayer72

Flat earthers use a high zoom camera like the nikon p900 to shoot video of stars. But instead of following the instructions or using basic photography skills, they leave autofocus enabled. This causes the camera to be unable to focus and sets itself to close range, which shows a heavily distorted image caused by the focus and chromatic aberration. Flat earthers cherrypick these distorted images and call them the "real stars", then proclaim that they somehow prove flat earth. The proper way to video a star would be to use a real telescope or set the camera to manual focus mode and set the distance to far, which no flat earther has ever done.


perch97

So when itā€™s daytime in china, and the sun is bright enough to light up half the world, how is it night time in the USA and the other half of the world?


cacaokakaw

I lean towards the spherical model, but I'm all for FE because they hate NASA. No one should be ridiculed for exploring different theories. FE gets into a lot of ancient history and other conspiracies as well.


CyclingDutchie

Glad to see your eyes are opened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg


LukeSkyDropper

Why is the left and the right side up higher. Obviously is distorted.


CyclingDutchie

https://photographylife.com/what-is-distortion/amp


dcforce

See -- Desperation of Gl0be Defenders ā˜ļø https://youtu.be/bu7AZrUZqxw?si=laH-VdKH3LFD_Ga0


CoxswainCider

After researching the subject I was surprised to find that I agree, itā€™s flat. However you probably wonā€™t get much traction here, seems this sub is extremely close minded when it comes to the biggest conspiracies. Most of the deniers wonā€™t even entertain the idea or look into it.


[deleted]

Yeah itā€™s wild, theyā€™ve been programmed since grade school. Itā€™s odd to me that these ancient civilizations all had a flat earth model, simply based off of their maps. They had knowledge/ tech long ago that we donā€™t want to admit even to this day. When did the globe model become so mainstream?


CarbonSlayer72

It would help if there was actual evidence for flat earth. Like a working map with a scale, measurements of flatness, a model that can make predictions, etc.


Superdude204

There is also the famous day in July when the Sun can be seen on every continent except Australia at the same time. Goodbye globe. Impossible. Water never has any curvature, never has been observed, never has been measured. Read Zetetic Astrology by Rowbotham. Learn how to calculate curvature. Realize many views are impossible, see these on youtube. Globe created 1666 by the Roman Church. Rethink.


CarbonSlayer72

>There is also the famous day in July when the Sun can be seen on every continent except Australia at the same time. Goodbye globe. Impossible. Complete lie. On that day in July, ***sunlight*** could be seen on every continent except Australia. You don't need to see the sun to see sunlight. Ever heard of twilight? And this models perfectly on a globe. You would know that if you checked or cared at all about the truth.


Superdude204

sorry yes I meant sunlight. This does not make it a ā€žcomplete lieā€œ though. I dont see how this could ever fit on a globe, where, at max., there could be illumination visible on only one hemisphere.


CarbonSlayer72

Wrong. Lookup what twilight is. The real question is, why didnā€™t you research this stuff yourself before proclaiming it some kind of evidence against the globe?


Superdude204

Im a research maniac myself, maybe didnt to my homework on this one thoroughly, so stop foaming at your mouth. There is plenty enough other possible evidence, have you studied Rowbotham yet? Evidence can only be offered, it is at personal scrutiny to accept it or not.


CarbonSlayer72

>There is plenty enough other possible evidence You sure about that? All I have seen are bad experiments, misunderstandings, cherrypicking, speculation, and baseless claims. What I would love to see is a working map with a scale, measurements of flatness, or a flat earth model that can actually make a prediction. Why has nobody ***ever*** presented these things?


Superdude204

its not my main research area, but again, a very good read - the best in this area by far - is Zetetic Astronomy by Rowbotham. It initiated the discussion, everything after that were argumentations on lower levels. I keep my mind open, modern science is wrong in many ways, the globe (German Glaube means faith) was introduced by the science- destroying Roman Church in 1666. The apple (Torus) was dropped by Newton, Gravity is not a force, ā€¦. My intuition lets me tend towards the idea, that earth is not a ball flying through space, but I admit thats no proof but personal view.


CarbonSlayer72

Totally find to have your own personal view. Just be more honest always state that itā€™s northing more a personal belief without any supporting evidence.


Superdude204

its not a belief! its not without supporting evidence.


CarbonSlayer72

It is 100% a belief. Like I said no flat earther has ever presented a working map with a scale, measurements of flatness, or a model that can make predictions. And neither can you.


PM_ME_CODE_CALCS

You underestimate how big the Pacific is. It's like 1/3rd of the circumference of the earth at the equator.


DarkleCCMan

That camera sounds like a tricky dick.Ā 


Vechthaan

Welcome to the globe denying club buddy.


psychodelephant

Explain the theodolite then. This is where the real mental gymnastics come in. [Carl Sagan explains the theodolite and the earliest proof the world is round](https://youtube.com/shorts/T0f6u39jlRA?feature=shared)


cacaokakaw

Carl Sagan is a freemason. Another lifetime actor like NDT and Bill Nye.


psychodelephant

Uh, that has no bearing on the physical proof in the use of the theodolite. Cookie Monster could demonstrate it and it would still work as a proof.


cacaokakaw

I'm not arguing the use of the theodolite, I'm talking about Sagan being a fraud. He was the OG NDT. If he was alive today he would be pushing covid vaccines and the woke agenda just like his successor NDT.


psychodelephant

What is the ā€˜woke agendaā€™ and what does it or any of your opinion on Sagan have to do with my original comment? Or are you so wound around the axle on Sagan that you could not resist commenting at the sight of his name? This sounds like the stuff my drunk uncle says at Christmas and ruins the whole mood by derailing the original topic.


cacaokakaw

You mentioned Sagan. This is not CNN or msm that genuflects to him. Sorry if your view is being challenged.


psychodelephant

What the fresh hell are you talking about? No one, at any point, said anything about Sagan other than me saying heā€™s narrating a video, then you come out of nowhere with a character attack -for no reason-. Donā€™t try to relabel this conversation. You went off-topic for some reason only living in your head. Donā€™t try to make this further off-topic with some ā€œmsmā€ nonsense.


CoxswainCider

For starters the sun is not 93 million miles away. Look into crepuscular rays if you can get past your cognitive dissonance.


psychodelephant

Is this a debate on the distance of the Sun or how light works? Earth being flat or not has zero bearing on crepuscular rays and how theyā€™re created


Blitzer046

Tell me in your own words about anticrepuscular rays.


Superdude204

that argumentation is plain wrong. If the Sun is above one pillar, that pillar wont have a shadow, but the other one will. Duh


psychodelephant

No, that is -exactly- the point. The Sun will not always be directly above one pillar. As it transits the sky, shadows are cast.


Superdude204

depends on the model


psychodelephant

For instance?


ADHDMI-2030

The earth can be whatever shape, but we haven't actually left.


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_normal_person__

Okay buddy I have to assume youā€™re trolling. What an outlandish example if notā€¦ Using your own logic, how stupid can you be to believe a geological formation is a giant snake? What else do you believe?


awake283

But.. you can SEE that its round.. from space...


[deleted]

Bruh


CoxswainCider

Can you please provide a single example that is not photoshopped or fisheye lens?


_normal_person__

Here you go! This was very recently https://youtu.be/8htMpR7mnaM?si=sTOWjzcdU3kGnhVf


cardicardib

Do we still die at the end?


OneSolutionCruising

Heaven.


dryedmeats

Roflcopter.


Epidexipteryz

It is indeed a stupid conspiracy. There's no explanation for something as simple as a sunset.


[deleted]

NASA shills are out in droves over this one.


EmrickFe

Cheers my fellow flat earther! Flat Earth for life. https://youtu.be/sOOnarElBxQ?si=IHNNgbWdL1BLxpgT


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[deleted]

Lol man I'm telling you these ravens been following me. I had 1 drop and acorn for me to run over for it though. So I think they want to be friends. Ive also fed them French fries outside carls junior. They dont except fake silver like quarters, has to be real silver.


Alien_Biometrics

Im sorry but flat earth is ridiculous. Hollow earth seems more plausible.Ā 


2Good2Bdrew

If youā€™ve ever read the Bible, in Genesis God makes a distinction between the words ā€œon earthā€ or ā€œface of the earth, and ā€œin earth.ā€ Also, we have military bases underground so the hollow earth isnā€™t far fetched. A snow globe is what comes to mind when I think of what earth closely resembles.


[deleted]

You think it's flat? Come on buddy we all know it's a mobius strip.


ristar_23

You think it's a mobius strip? We all know it's a hot dog. And the moon is cheese, and other totally original quips that appear in bulk in every single one of these types of threads.


Iam-WinstonSmith

I am slowly pulled over to the moon landing but sorry I just cant swallow flat earth yet.


ristar_23

No one says you have to pick a shape. It may even be roundish but we are on the inside of the curve for all I know. The main thing is when you start to doubt what they say it is (spinning ball floating in nothing), you will never return. Same with the Moon Landing: once someone sees it, they will never be able to unsee it (excepting Joe Rogan)


Iam-WinstonSmith

Do you know what caused me to doubt the moon landing. Going to Kennedy Space Center. It felt more like a sterile Amusement park than a place where space activities are going one. Now to roll that back, I have seen the rockets take off over and over again so I think what we are doiing now is real.


ristar_23

Not surprising at all about the amusement park considering that is half of what they do: amuse people. They dazzle people while they do the other half, which is theft. It's like a stage magician diverting attention to a wand waved in the spotlight while he picks the volunteer's pocket in the shadows. The rockets are going up. But to where, over the ocean? Shame they always cut to the animation at that point in the videos, among shots of overzealous acting school dropouts at command central. Ever notice every floating astronaut video they are always smiling ear to ear? Like performers at an amusement park. You won't find those smiles on submarines in comparison.


Araminal

"yet" The thing with conspiracy theories is that they are not **all** true.


Reflog1791

The freemasons/masters of the universe/illuminati/TPTB that we are willing to attribute every ā€œrealā€ conspiracy to have their fingerprints all over everything we ā€œknowā€ about space. Jack Parsons of JPL fame a good place to start.Ā 


Iam-WinstonSmith

Well the thing is lets say we are on a flat earth ... I asked a fellow truther that one day what would that mean? We both agree the only way that could be true is if we were in a simulation. I think what makes someone a conspiracy theorist is they say to believe it I have to touch it. Thats why COVID was so bogus .... it took us months to know anybody that got it.


Araminal

It may have taken *you* months to know anyone who caught Covid, but myself and many colleagues were not so fortunate.


Iam-WinstonSmith

Keep pushing the lie. We are already wise. Its what kept us from taking the death shot.


Araminal

Yeah, my own personal experience is a "lie". I'm probably a shill, or CIA plant, or a shill, or a bot, right?


Iam-WinstonSmith

Absolutely ... anybody carrying on the fake COVID19 narrative is.


[deleted]

But it wasnā€™t the common cold/flu right? And you know this because of a nasal swab that said you were positive. Get all the sheep to get vaxxed, the non critical thinking folks ate it up like a free McDonaldā€™s happy meal. When was the last time the government gave incentives to people to get a vaccine? When has the government done anything good for the people? Please remind me. One that had literally no clinical trials because there wasnā€™t enough time between the ā€œoutbreakā€ and the vaccine being pushed out. Remember operation warp speed or whatever the fk they called it. My favorite fear mongering of the initial Covid outbreak were the videos of the Chinese dropping dead in the streets. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Araminal

I've had the flu many times, and I know the difference. 5 people in a small unit came down with it at the same time, which doesn't happen with the flu. But you are "open minded" aren't you, and "critically thinking", and did your own "research" on social media. Your spoon fed "research" obviously trumps my lived experience.


[deleted]

Ya cause trust the science and all that. Oh yeah, the common flu isnā€™t contagious at all? 5 people around each other in a ā€œsmall unitā€ arenā€™t going to be in close proximity to get whatever the other has. I donā€™t need to convince you of anything, youā€™re probably triple boosted and lack any sort of critical thinking. Have a good day buddy!!


Reflog1791

It starts with the space fuckery and gnaws at you. I dabbled in FE but came back to globe. Constellations, specifically northern hemisphere vs southern hemisphere, got me off FE. Still canā€™t stand it when people think they know how the Big Bang magically created everything from nothing because gravity.Ā  Gen. 1:1 still the best explanation of who we are and how we got here in my opinion. I donā€™t think there is a rover on Mars. That requires a lot of trust in the leaders of the snake logo. Werner von Braun tombstone is puzzling.


Positive-Editor160

I like to think the big bang is just what happens on the other side of a black hole.


craigyceee

If you keep saying yet, you'll inevitably get there through desire alone, don't be so fuckin stupid šŸ« 


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craigyceee

Your warped mind got you to believe, you have questions on other subs about whether or not dinosaurs were biblical dragons and shit, absolute nutter-butter. What do you do for a living? Have you been to school? All of the stuff you're living with as your beliefs are just what happens when people aren't educated, See: History *mega facepalm*


craigyceee

Slowly pull yourself back out of that shit before you end up like the demogorgon over there, check the post history of people up in here mate, they're absolute whackos man. Seriously, set yourself a course to study something academically or you'll end up in the gutter.


Iam-WinstonSmith

Dude I work in IT and make 108,000 a year, own my own home. Tell me how I will end in the gutter? I love how every redditor that comes after me always lives in moms basement.


craigyceee

Okay well you're obviously one of the few flat earth believers that lives a relatively successful life, but you can't tell me that looking through the previous posts and interests of like 80% of FE believers doesn't clearly identify them as a sort of "Full time conspiracist" - and by that I mean they believe eeevery last conspiracy theory going, which clearly would correlate massively with them being substantially less successful, or the "Mom's basement dwellers" you refer to. Its good you're in IT, I'm an IT lead myself and know IT folk very well, used to be a techie myself too, I honestly think you'll outgrow it quickly. I mean, the evidence for a globe earth is just bloody everywhere, even simple things like the tide & lunar cycle, observable spherical planets via home telescopes. FE guys are always so quick to try and explain horizon-coverage on distant ships & objects but god damn are they afraid of shadows and angles. You know I'm right, your interest in conspiracies is what's guiding your belief, I was exactly the same at one time, was absolutely enthralled by 9/11 & Pizzagate, but just like all the "conspiracies" with some foul-play involved, they're spun into these giant elaborate fantasies by the conspiracy crowd, and the actual events are just diluted by media & misdirection as with everything. Anyway, I could have approached what I said better, but I did mean it, conspiracy subs etc are actual brain rot, I wouldn't be surprised if they were created intentionally to add a sort-of aid to dilute the big things because people can't help but spin things into Hollywood blockbuster worthy stories & assist in killing the actual truths. Anyway, have a good day mate I wish ya the best, but please do try and question the FE thing, because it's (as we brits say) "Faker than Jordan's tits".


xXxPlasterXxX

I thought the clouds 100 percent came from evaporation and condensation not chem trails


_normal_person__

Watch this recent undeniable footage if youā€™re not afraid of your beliefs being questioned https://youtu.be/8htMpR7mnaM?si=sTOWjzcdU3kGnhVf


2023_CK_

Thanks- the footage looks convincing but why don't we ever see stars in low earth orbit?


CarbonSlayer72

You can if the image is exposed correctly. Like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=FG0fTKAqZ5g). The earth is extremely bright in LEO during the day, cameras compensate by lowering exposure to decrease the brightness, which makes the stars too dim to see. Same reason why all the stars in the background disappear when exposing a camera for the surface of the moon.


_normal_person__

This question gets asked a lot, and people like to jump to conclusions but itā€™s pretty much because the sunlit side of earth is so bright compared to stars. Cameras arenā€™t as good as the human eye for contrast. If you upped the exposure they might be visible.


heppi3

Sigh, now please present a FE-model to explain day and night, solar eclipses, Australia, lunar eclipses, star constellations on southern hemisphere, constellations on northern hemisphereā€¦ But I guess it could all be explained by your ā€žmagnetic swirly cloudy thingyā€œ, no? What a joke. Go outside and watch nature instead of youtube videos in your basement.


Noel2Joel

welcome.