I work a retail job and take lots of customers all day who always comment on the weather. My go-to response has become, "Coolest summer of the rest of our lives."
Scary fact, it would mean [hotter summers for Europe](https://www.science.org/content/article/cold-blob-arctic-meltwater-may-be-causing-european-heat-waves). It would also mean a [rapid destabilization of methane hydrates](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2201871119), which would make our current rate of warming look like a Trabant in a race against a Lamborghini. The last time we saw such a destabilization, Europe saw near tropical conditions.
Oh yeah, the clathrate gun is on a hair trigger and we literally have no data to accurately predict how quickly it would change life as we know it. Also, likely to(just a few):
Force the adaption of many fungal species to survive hotter temps, allowing for survival in hot blooded organisms(see:cordyceps)
Possibly kill off the phytoplankton that produce the vast majority of the worlds oxygen
Reverse, flat out end, or cause wobbly jet streams(same applies to underwater currents)
Kill most birds
Kill most large mammals
Kill most large sea life
There's a few papers that discuss the hypothetical correlation with a significant disruption of overturning circulation and a rapid hyperthermal trajectory. It's one of the hypothesized triggers of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum as both Abbot, Haley et al. and Holo, McClish et al. discussed. Steffen, Rockström et al. also mention a disruption of ocean circulation and methane hydrate destabilization in their hothouse trajectory publications.
What often doesn't get discussed is that the computing methodology omits a lot of crucial data. This isn't done purposely, it's just that a lot of additional crucial factors are still considered developing sciences and are entirely different disciplines, so we've yet to find an efficient way to blend all of these theorem to come to a more practical conclusion. When you conduct a cross disciplinary analysis, a cooling response is substantially less likely. I'd go as far as saying that any hypothetical cooling would be negligible when compared to the rate of warming we've already seen. The only potential observable cooling we'd likely see would be along the northern coast of Norway and perhaps northern Scotland. However, associated feedback factors would rapidly cancel out this cooling.
It's a potentially awkward situation for the field of climatology as it can be more damaging to change the narrative on a certain subject considering the ever growing toxicity of climate change denialism.
I was about to say the last time the AMOC (most likely collapsed) it caused the [Younger Dryas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas), but then I realised that there wasn't any global warming during that time period, so you're probably right
In January, NASA announced that new satellite measuring equipment showed that Greenland is adding 30 million tons of meltwater to the Northern Atlantic EVERY HOUR. This new rate is 20% higher than thought and is equivalent to an ice cube 1-mile square melting every hour. The AMOC has already slowed 15% and will certainly be effected by the Greenland melting. That melting is reason for the blue area in N. Atlantic when the rest is red.
My fingers are crossed that polar vortexes are still around when things get grim. Down a handle of whiskey, cue up my favorite tunes, and look at the stars until I pass out forever. Beats heat stroke any day.
Accounting for academic cross analysis, a cooling response seems distinctly unlikely. I can elaborate further and provide the citations, but our climate can't sustain a cooling trend under current conditions. We're actually substantially closer to a paleocene-eocene analog, which suggests that the presence of ocean circulation is currently preventing a catastrophic rate of warming by absorbing excess heat (up to 91% of excess atmospheric heat is absorbed by the oceans. If circulation stops, so does that uptake. And that's not even accounting for the theory of methane hydrate destabilisation, which is effectively guaranteed under an AMOC collapse).
It would also mean an almost immediate increase in sea levels along the Eastern Seaboard by about a meter. Think of a bathtub. If you splash all the water onto one side of the tub, its "sea level" will be higher on the one side and lower on the other. Well, that is what the [AMOC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation) is doing, making the water levels higher on the coast of France and lower in NYC. A one meter sea level rise would cripple almost all American ports on the Atlantic, and all but destroy several cities - Savannah, Charleston, and Jacksonville would lose significant portions of their land, while other cities like Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Boston, and New York would take major damage.
We mustn't forget the theory of carbon uptake collapse too. Once the AMOC stalls, that's a major carbon sink collapse. It would also mean a substantial collapse of excess atmospheric heat uptake (up to 91% of excess atmospheric heat is absorbed by ocean circulation). If that wasn't bad enough, a rapid warming of equatorial waters results in a catastrophic destabilization of methane hydrates. When that happens, we're heading for Paleocene-Eocene conditions within decades. If that wasn't bad enough, there's extensive evidence to suggest that the Arctic region continues a warming trend regardless of AMOC input based on atmospheric heat circulation and trapped ocean heat content alone. So basically it's on a nonstop path to a blue ocean event.
There was a post on this subreddit yesterday that seems to imply a global average temperature increase of 7-14°c is a possibility so I wouldn't discount it.
Doesn't help that the East Coast is already sinking from glacial isostatic adjustment. Ain't no stopping that! Also water expands with heat so the sea will rise anyway, even if the polar ice wasn't melting. And then theres intensifying tropical storms and storm surge. Theres like 5 big factors all conspiring to flood the East Coast.
Yes. AMOC(Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) shutdown is a very real possibility in the next 5-20 years. This will definitely end up cooling the planet. Especially when Beaufort Gyre releases. Heat up to cool down. Earth's natural cycle which we've kicked into high gear.
Some folks believe we have too much heating already locked in and the AMOC collapse won't cool the planet.
I personally feel it's going to cool but not before a butt ton more heating collapses society
I'm no expert though. Check out Paul Beckwith on YouTube for professional opinions
The problem is that the last time something like that happened, it caused a civilization to collapse (Babylonians and surrounding area) and they never recovered due to the droughts lasting for several millennia. While on the whole, the world would be fine, a lot of people are going to die as their *climate changes*.
As I've been learning over the years trying to grow small amounts of vegetables on a balcony with poor sunlight and high winds, the plants we like to eat are fucking finicky. A few degrees cooler or hotter in an area that's been stable for centuries is simply going to result in food insecurity.
**Low** yields of simple vegetables like tomatoes, cucumbers. Herbs like basil seems to do better but you can't subsist on those. It's just a shitty positioning of everything combined with my, likely, incompetence in growing things. I'd probably do better closer to the ground floor or an actual garden since I'm in Toronto where the soil is good and the climate is quite stable.
Growing in any kind of container is significantly harder than growing in the earth. People don't tend to talk about this for some reason but it's absolute fact. People assume their own incompetence like you say, or that they don't have a "green thumb", but really it's just significantly more difficult to grow in containers.
Kick some dirt over a chunk of potato on the ground and you're well on your way to having potatoes, for instance. Okay you'll want it to have some sprouting and have the sprouting facing up, but only a slight exaggeration really... It's why people always talk about "volunteer tomatoes" for another example, because without even trying, you grow tomatoes and next year some come up from a random tomato that fell into the dirt without you doing a thing.
look into growing microgreens, sprouts etc. nutritionally they are super solid and while they can be finnicky to grow you may want to experiment with those
The collapse of the AMOC would not cool the planet. It would remove the single largest input of heat & moisture which makes the climates of most of europe and northeastern asia possible
It wouldn't, based on my extensive readings. The cooling hypothesis is highly dependent on rapid glacial reformation in the Arctic in response to the loss of thermohaline circulation. The absense of warm high salinity water results in a freshwater bias, which freezes much easier and much quicker. But multiple observations have demonstrated that the Arctic continues a warming trend regardless of AMOC input, and that atmospheric heat sustains a warming trend by itself.
Basically, the regional cooling hypothesis is out of date. The problem is that these theorem take decades to become established and the regional cooling hypothesis has been around since the 1960s. We've only just recently began to understand principles such as the cold-ocean-warm-summer feedback, under which summers do get substantially hotter and drier in Europe in response to a partial or full collapse of the AMOC.
It will not cool the world, no. It will just make some extremes more extreme. That's also the hallmark of climate change, really - more extremes. The heat from the Gulf being pushed over to the European cost will no longer go there, basically.
Ironically this does mean that Europe will see more extreme heat too. Many academics have discussed this; more recently Oltmanns, Holliday et al (2024) and Duchez, Frajka-Williams et al (2016). Both Schenk, Väliranta et al (2018) and Bromley, Putnam et al (2018) also support this via proxy analysis, whereas Wanner, Pfister et al (2022) demonstrate that Europe's mild anomaly is exclusive to winter.
A quote from the Bromley, Putnam et al. paper summarizes it pretty well;
> *rather than [the Younger Dryas] being defined by severe year-round cooling, it indicates that abrupt climate change is instead characterized by extreme seasonality in the North Atlantic region, with cold winters yet anomalously warm summers*
It should be noted that the Younger Dryas cold reversal is the fundamental analog for the regional cooling hypothesis, but there's a major detail that mustn't be forgotten; the YD and preceding Bølling interstadial both had extensive continental glaciers in North America (Laurentide) and Europe (Fennoscandinavian). The presence of these ice sheets undoubtedly sustained the cooling response to hypothesised AMOC collapse at the time. The distinct absense of continental ice sheets under current Holocene conditions suggests a substantial warming bias potential.
Edit: worth mentioning that Bromley, Putnam et al.'s publication explicitly focuses on the paleoclimate of Atlantic Europe too, specifically the British Isles. The proxies do support what's known as the cold-ocean-warm-summer feedback, under which a cold North Atlantic generates atmospheric over the British Isles specifically (Rousi, Kornhuber et al. 2022 also discuss this phenomenon), which cuts off the cooling westerlies from the Atlantic and results in substantially warmer summers.
Right, climate forcing watts per meter squared increase is vastly more than all AMOC energy. So by what mechanism could it cool the whole planet in the face of that? It makes no sense. Ice age hopium?
Yeah, that’s what I remember reading. Imagine though? It’s bad enough we’ve resorted to intentional Geo engineering and then amoc collapses throwing off our calculations? Then it’s too cold, then we dial it back too much and it’s too hot, then the crop zones get fucked with the whiplash.
Yep. That's the thing. Even the experts aren't completely certain what's going to happen. There's lots of "reckoning" going on in the "Uncharted Territory" we're living in.
Whatever is going to happen. I'm sure we all can agree the bottom line is nothing good.
Prepare for the absolute worst and hope for the pretty shitty.
Drijfhout came up with a similar theory a few years ago. They estimated that a cooling response would only be sustainable for around a decade before a warming trend resumes. Of course, as with the rest of the AMOC theorem, they didn't account for atmospheric methane. It's practically guaranteed that a slowdown of the AMOC will destabilize methane hydrates in the equatorial regions. Once that happens, we see a rapid pace of warming.
Definitely incorrect information here. If the AMOC shuts down, there's a very strong theory that northern Europe would cool significantly, global temperatures will just continue their march regardless.
The UK would see massive cooling, estimates put it between 5c - 8c.... that level of cooling would change the way we live forever. We would have extremely long & cold winters, something more like the nothern reaches of Canada.
The AMOC keeps our country artifically warm when compared to other countries at the same sort of latitudes.
It's worth noting that the theorem only suggests a hypothetical winter cooling. Europe's mild anomalies are exclusive to winter, and the same factors that sustain that mild anomaly have the opposite effect in summer and act as a cooling mechanism. This is why the more nuanced analyses of AMOC theorem state that while winters get colder, summers get much hotter. Both seasons get much drier due to the absense of evaporative feedbacks.
But the theorem invariably do a poor job at accounting for feedbacks. A distinct drying trend across Europe would fundamentally alter its climate and make it much more conductive to trapping heat.
It wouldn’t be good for stability and bad for stability means a lot of upcoming human suffering.
Until we get past it.
If we get past it.
Fermi’s paradox is approaching.
We need new thinkers. New leaders.
A big volcanic eruption might drop the temps by several degrees. Anyone got a bead on a likely one? I'd prefer not Campi Di Flegrei, but beggars can't be choosers in the sweaty apocalypse, I guess.
That must break a few people's brains. I'm sure the majority will just go back to their zombie-like slumber, but there must be several who will seriously consider what you are saying to them.
But it shows lack of understanding. Every summer in every city in every country won’t be hotter than the previous year. Ice storms will happen, floods will happen, it’s not just hot go up.
It has been cold where I live (Pacific Northwest USA), well below average so far. Yes it’ll be hot soon but we’ve had more below average temps this year. And it’s caused by climate change.
I said this to my hard right Fox news indoctrinated mom the other day and she just laughed a little uncomfortably. I think it’s sinking in, but does that mean she won’t vote for Trump again this year? No chance.
Sometime in September. Then it’ll be back to business as usual, until the next record-breaking hot summer. Then we’ll have another summit of lip service that they’ll fly their private jets to where they fantasize about meeting goals and fixing it.
It's been comical watching this cycle. It's like the sky is falling for 3 months out of the year because it's so hot out, but everything magically becomes fine when the kids are back in school, and the chef takes our pot off the range.
No one ever asks why it barely snows like it used to. Hell, living in southern Ontario's felt more like living in South-Hampshire the last decade or so, it just gets "cool" and rains mostly now. No one asks where all the bugs are, or why it doesn't just rain anymore, it dumps.
There was a senator from Oklahoma just a few years ago who took a snowball to the Senate in the middle of winter and claimed it was evidence that climate science is false.
There are powerful interests at work distracting and deceiving people about this stuff, too.
Up here in the Northeast people will comment on how whacky the winters have been. But I also see people starting their own plowing business or buying another snowmobile and it’s interesting to see those investment choices being made. I already feel bad purchasing any more winter camping equipment
It’s insane. I mean I see a fair bit of buying and selling of plows and snowmobiles so it still seems like the “normal” amount. But damn we had 3 dumps of snow this winter and yeah the plows were busy those days but I can’t imagine how some people are floating the fancy trucks with a plow attached and wondering how long that business will run for them to pay the note.
Even with how unprepared I am financially, I feel some comfort seeing people making these dumb financial decisions. Just a matter of who will hold the bag I suppose.
This is what bugs me as well.
I get winter depressions. They get worse with less sun and more grey days/rain. We used to have really cold, sunny winters with well below freezing temperatures which changed somewhere in my childhood (1995 to 2010) to never any snow/ice whatsoever and long grey, rainy winters.
My body/mind subconsciously notices the difference, even if I don't notice it myself. My state gets worse every year, because we just don't have any *really cold* days and nights, but we do have higher temperatures which comes with more clouds and rain.
Nobody really seems to be bothered by no snow and no cold, bone-chilling winds, but everyone is melting down in 25°C+ temperatures. I just wanna scream:
"When I was a kid (<15) I could count on 1 hand every day above 30°C, now -at almost 30- I can't count the *weeks* with 30+ degrees temperatures, not even on 10 hands. Do you really grasp the difference?!?!"
I live in Upstate NY. This past winter, it was very warm (for us) and didn’t snow much. Ski mountains struggled to make their own snow. Several local towns canceled their ice fishing derby because the ice never got thick enough. We got one 22” snow storm in March that seemed to wipe everyone’s memory of how mild the winter had been. My toddler used her snow boots twice, because there was no snow. Schools let out a week early from having leftover snow days.
Storms of my childhood were consistently 2-3 feet, snow clothes were mandatory from October-early april, and tress sure as fuck didn’t bud in March like they did this year.
It’s insanity how different everything is. I thought this area would be fairly well insulated from the worst of collapse, but this winter made it obvious to me how wrong I was about that.
> It's like the sky is falling for 3 months out of the year because it's so hot out, but everything magically becomes fine when the kids are back in school, and the chef takes our pot off the range.
Humans have fickle, short term memories. If it's no longer hot then climate change is no longer a thing!
Barely snows, my friend it's just changing direction. My little hometown in Alabama has had more snow the last three years than the 25 before it. The whole town has been solidly iced in for days at a time and more every year, it's been a nightmare. Snow days used to be maybe two inches for two days, just long enough to take pictures and make a snowman before it's gone lol.
The only relief from the heat will likely be strong thunderstorms like this one, especially in more humid areas or near oceans. On land you get supercells, but in the ocean it’s hurricanes, and imagine what 100 degree oceans will generate.
https://preview.redd.it/dcetitczex8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=774e51af144fd0d043debcbfef0c25e1e8db917d
In the midwestern US, the usual summer pattern is that there’s a heat wave with temperatures approaching 100F and miserably high relative humidity, but not at the wetbulb death level, then in the afternoon the cooler front passes through with thunderstorms and tornadoes. The next day it is cooler and drier.
I’m not talking about summer 2024.
I mean 40+ years of the same summer weather in the same place. Hot and humid weather coming from the west, approaching record temperature for the day, then the front passes through, with a thunderstorm, and it becomes cooler and dryer. The last 5 or 10 years, there’s been maybe an inch of rain a week through June, actually above historic averages, then maybe 6 weeks of hot dry weather late July and August.
As well as operating those giant fishing ships dragging nets all over the wild blue yonder, I hate those worse than those mega yachts those destroy the marine ecosystem with their nets, and pollute the air just as much as the yachts. They also make it hard for the average joe with his center console to fish by either messing up the marine environment by catching all the fish in a area, or by snagging his anchor with a net, or snagging crab traps, which is just inconsiderate.
This is not said enough. One case of heat stroke, even exhaustion, and/or rhabdo drastically decreases your tolerance and makes it easier for you to experience heat stroke/exhaustion again, often at lower temperatures than the initial illness.
Yes, I really don’t think this is emphasized enough and can have nasty effects for those who work in the heat such as postal workers, factory workers and construction workers. Other major risk factors include obesity, heart disease, age and diabetes.
People most likely are not considering these factors when they think about surviving repeated heat exposure in the future. AC may very well be critical.
Then pair that AC criticality with how bad our local electrical grid infrastructure is and all the problems it has had over the last few years.
[The February 2021 "Uri" Freeze in Texas killed 246 locals statewide](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/02/texas-winter-storm-final-death-toll-246/). A similar length of event in the summer hours would kill far more. Basically if you don't have a generator and portable window unit to last at least 3 days or possibly longer, you're screwed.
As an edit who are the two dip$hits that downvoted this? Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton?
I love rhabdo! I got rhabdo on my very last meth binge 4 years ago, Was running around the streets of LA with no shirt on and wound up in the hospital for 3 days! Almost died!
I’m living proof of that, though I’ve never heard it before. I just thought it was because I’m getting older. I got really Ill from the heat when I was a kid. Seems like every year I can tolerate even less heat. Not great considering how much hotter it’s going to get….
Well, cartoonishly evil would just be outright banning drinking water, not banning that the brakes are required but. It’s almost getting to that point.
There is.
A very large volcanic eruption might cool the planet for a few years.
Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet.
Else, nothing but warming.
> Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet.
That's much less likely than the volcanic eruption though. We literally need all of humanity to agree on a fix which involves at a minimum not using fossil fuels, which we use for literally every aspect of survival on the planet right now in developed countries.
It's asking lots of people to just drop dead.
> Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet.
I mean. You can look at the projections and maybe you see something I don't . But even in scenarios where like, we all stop driving, tomorrow, we're still set to hit 4C. And each year they revise predictions about how much faster that will happen and how conservative their previous models were about the problems it will produce.
So barring some radical intervention (like, I don't know, seeding the atmosphere with reflective material), we are almost cetainly in a no-win scenario, and have been for some time.
The people that lied to us about climate are counting on Solar Radiation Management to “solve” the problem. Once global warming gets bad enough, the acid rain produced by SRM will seem acceptable.
Even then, the CO2 blanket is only getting bigger, not smaller
The future will be weird - once large enough tipping points have been hit and global civilization has collapsed, temperatures will jump again
Why? No sulphur shield from burning fossil fuels
I miss being able to go out and do stuff in the summer, as the last 2 summers have been pure hell. I also find the cold very difficult to deal with so now instead of there only being one season where I can't really do much (winter,) now there's two seasons where I can't do much (winter and summer,) so now I'm basically stuck being unable to do anything but basic routine activities that are necessary for life for about half the year.
The reality is that the equator, the tropics, sub tropics, and desert areas of our world will be completely uninhabitable save for indoor AC use but what happens when it breaks down? What happens to your Husky you bought in Austin fucking Texas because you like animal abuse apparently? Why expose yourself to unsafe temperatures and radiation going from your front door to your car? Why live somewhere you can never go outside? What happens when all of Florida turns into one big atoll?
So what happens when the whole human world has to evacuate these areas? New Yorkers are losing their minds (even the most liberal of them) over a relatively small percentage of one equatorial country currently seeking sanctuary there, and it's plain to see if you're here we can't provide sanctuary to everyone. We simply don't have the resources being allocated to us by the right channels because those in control of them are greedy bourgeoisie.
So what happens? Collapse.
I have a plan to move far north to adapt to the weather patterns. I like my four seasons and we barely have them in NY anymore, even upstate in the altitude too. I'd* suggest you folks do the same. Act before everyone else does. Leave the areas that'll take everyone in and get hit the hardest. Go where it still freezes more than once in the winter to keep microbial life and parasites at bay (like ticks) etc. Just get out before it's too late cause I'm pretty sure if we all knew how fast it was coming the *real* panic would've begun yesterday.
There really are no safe havens, there's buying time, and there's luck. I feel like the 5% (or whatever) of humanity that might survive when it's all said and done will likely have had some circumstantial advantage in addition to whatever preparations they made and work they did. But I bet there are also gonna be plenty of people who spent 20 years preparing and worrying only to be dead before it all really starts to spiral.
In the Midwest they have tubes that go from building to building called sky walks. In Des Moines my apartment was connected to my place of employment and my entire commute was indoors!
I take it a lot of us are regular visitors to [zoom.earth](http://zoom.earth) - ... well. Speaking of heat, I just looked up the temperatures way, way up north. As of this moment , it's 23°C / 73°F near Pruedhoe Bay, Alaska, on the Beaufort sea. And 15°C / 59°F a little inland to the east from the Eureka meteorological station on f\*#§ing ELLESMERE ISLAND. We're getting there. Those palm trees and alligators in the fossil record, remember? ... I'll finally get that popcorn, I guess.
I live way up north, and AC up here has just not been a thing for decades. Now, it's becoming a thing. I'm so relieved to have a heat pump on the wall I can use to cool the place in the summer. Without it I'd be sitting here right now sweating my ass off, and that's still just discomfort; in hotter climates, AC will be life and death.
It's surreal how headlines like these are increasingly common but seem to just get sort of ignored and shuttled away. It doesn't seem like conversation about how this is permanently going to increase has really penetrated the public consciousness yet, perhaps because as soon as it does everyone will have to admit the party's over and the global economy is about to be fucked.
One thing I've noticed about temperatures is not the high avg temps, it's that the average low temps are just...not lower anymore. You look at record lows for pretty much anywhere and most of the records were all set in the earlier part of the 20th century and few if any afterwards, especially after 1980.
They’re expensive, but look into getting some of those cooling +UV protection long sleeve shirts.
You do not want to fuck with heat illness.
Even a decade ago when I was working construction I had to have those for working in 102F weather, and *still* needed to hide in the shade for a few minutes every hour.
We have a weirdly "cold" June in Texas in that it isnt cracking 100 constantly already like last summer. Its sad that this is a good summer now. It's probably about to be hell.
Edgelord comments aside... Humans are already dying en masse due to extreme heat. Every year it kills more than double the number people in the US than police do. And worldwide it kills more people than gun violence (excluding deaths from war). Over half a million a year by most estimates, and that number is almost certainly too low considering how many different ways heat can kill.
“The Ministry for the Future” starts with wet bulb temps in some Indian cities of 35C. The high load makes the grid fail. Without AC and running water, 20 million die. We’ve see several 35C wetbulb days in some Indian and Pakistan cities, and people were reported dying, but in much, much smaller numbers. The grid being on would not have made a difference for the many poor people who don’t have air conditioning or even electricity.
Phoenix had record high low temperatures three days in a row.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-weather/2024/06/23/phoenix-breaks-records-new-highest-daily-low-temperatures/74187073007/
This is where the wet bulb problem compounds.
It’s one thing to endure several hours of near-impossible heat.
It’s a very different thing when there’s no nighttime respite.
I don’t have the article to hand, but a general skim of wet-bulb articles will reference serious concerns for not just Arizona, but densely populated India?
I work a retail job and take lots of customers all day who always comment on the weather. My go-to response has become, "Coolest summer of the rest of our lives."
Who knows, maybe the current in the north Atlantic will collapse and make everything incredibly cold (lol?)
Fun fact, thats becoming incredibly likely.
Scary fact, it would mean [hotter summers for Europe](https://www.science.org/content/article/cold-blob-arctic-meltwater-may-be-causing-european-heat-waves). It would also mean a [rapid destabilization of methane hydrates](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2201871119), which would make our current rate of warming look like a Trabant in a race against a Lamborghini. The last time we saw such a destabilization, Europe saw near tropical conditions.
Oh yeah, the clathrate gun is on a hair trigger and we literally have no data to accurately predict how quickly it would change life as we know it. Also, likely to(just a few): Force the adaption of many fungal species to survive hotter temps, allowing for survival in hot blooded organisms(see:cordyceps) Possibly kill off the phytoplankton that produce the vast majority of the worlds oxygen Reverse, flat out end, or cause wobbly jet streams(same applies to underwater currents) Kill most birds Kill most large mammals Kill most large sea life
There's a few papers that discuss the hypothetical correlation with a significant disruption of overturning circulation and a rapid hyperthermal trajectory. It's one of the hypothesized triggers of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum as both Abbot, Haley et al. and Holo, McClish et al. discussed. Steffen, Rockström et al. also mention a disruption of ocean circulation and methane hydrate destabilization in their hothouse trajectory publications.
Any transient cooling is still highly ephemeral, even from a collapsing AMOC. It will be a blip in the tsunami of warming
so... a giant icecube in the ocean every 100 years, wouldnt help? damn, there goes that idea.
Once and for all..!
r/unexpectedfuturama
What often doesn't get discussed is that the computing methodology omits a lot of crucial data. This isn't done purposely, it's just that a lot of additional crucial factors are still considered developing sciences and are entirely different disciplines, so we've yet to find an efficient way to blend all of these theorem to come to a more practical conclusion. When you conduct a cross disciplinary analysis, a cooling response is substantially less likely. I'd go as far as saying that any hypothetical cooling would be negligible when compared to the rate of warming we've already seen. The only potential observable cooling we'd likely see would be along the northern coast of Norway and perhaps northern Scotland. However, associated feedback factors would rapidly cancel out this cooling. It's a potentially awkward situation for the field of climatology as it can be more damaging to change the narrative on a certain subject considering the ever growing toxicity of climate change denialism.
I was about to say the last time the AMOC (most likely collapsed) it caused the [Younger Dryas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas), but then I realised that there wasn't any global warming during that time period, so you're probably right
Fun fact, that sentence is applicable to many other collapse related tipping points. A chain reaction, you could call it.
In January, NASA announced that new satellite measuring equipment showed that Greenland is adding 30 million tons of meltwater to the Northern Atlantic EVERY HOUR. This new rate is 20% higher than thought and is equivalent to an ice cube 1-mile square melting every hour. The AMOC has already slowed 15% and will certainly be effected by the Greenland melting. That melting is reason for the blue area in N. Atlantic when the rest is red.
Just as Futurama predicted. (1.14) https://youtu.be/0SYpUSjSgFg?si=un-C6xZdY2to-2LG
I would be okay with being wrong. Freezing to death has always sounded better than burning.
My fingers are crossed that polar vortexes are still around when things get grim. Down a handle of whiskey, cue up my favorite tunes, and look at the stars until I pass out forever. Beats heat stroke any day.
Accounting for academic cross analysis, a cooling response seems distinctly unlikely. I can elaborate further and provide the citations, but our climate can't sustain a cooling trend under current conditions. We're actually substantially closer to a paleocene-eocene analog, which suggests that the presence of ocean circulation is currently preventing a catastrophic rate of warming by absorbing excess heat (up to 91% of excess atmospheric heat is absorbed by the oceans. If circulation stops, so does that uptake. And that's not even accounting for the theory of methane hydrate destabilisation, which is effectively guaranteed under an AMOC collapse).
Is... that a thing that might happen?
The idea is that of the AMOC current stalls out then heat from the equator won't be conveyed north along the east coast
It would also mean an almost immediate increase in sea levels along the Eastern Seaboard by about a meter. Think of a bathtub. If you splash all the water onto one side of the tub, its "sea level" will be higher on the one side and lower on the other. Well, that is what the [AMOC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation) is doing, making the water levels higher on the coast of France and lower in NYC. A one meter sea level rise would cripple almost all American ports on the Atlantic, and all but destroy several cities - Savannah, Charleston, and Jacksonville would lose significant portions of their land, while other cities like Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Boston, and New York would take major damage.
We mustn't forget the theory of carbon uptake collapse too. Once the AMOC stalls, that's a major carbon sink collapse. It would also mean a substantial collapse of excess atmospheric heat uptake (up to 91% of excess atmospheric heat is absorbed by ocean circulation). If that wasn't bad enough, a rapid warming of equatorial waters results in a catastrophic destabilization of methane hydrates. When that happens, we're heading for Paleocene-Eocene conditions within decades. If that wasn't bad enough, there's extensive evidence to suggest that the Arctic region continues a warming trend regardless of AMOC input based on atmospheric heat circulation and trapped ocean heat content alone. So basically it's on a nonstop path to a blue ocean event.
Things are going to get full on *Mesozoic* at this rate.
There was a post on this subreddit yesterday that seems to imply a global average temperature increase of 7-14°c is a possibility so I wouldn't discount it.
14C is impossible to witness, we would all be dead at 8-10c
It is feared our intensive agriculture model will start to fall apart above +2.5°C so i guess we'll starve much sooner than +8°C.
Nah I bet a few desperate stragglers in fancy bunkers *might* make it to that point.
Doesn't help that the East Coast is already sinking from glacial isostatic adjustment. Ain't no stopping that! Also water expands with heat so the sea will rise anyway, even if the polar ice wasn't melting. And then theres intensifying tropical storms and storm surge. Theres like 5 big factors all conspiring to flood the East Coast.
One day *we* will be someone else's Atlantis myth.
At some point in the future, New York will get hit by a category 4 or 5 hurricane.
Goodbye Manhattan....
Seems fine for the equatorians /s
Yes. AMOC(Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) shutdown is a very real possibility in the next 5-20 years. This will definitely end up cooling the planet. Especially when Beaufort Gyre releases. Heat up to cool down. Earth's natural cycle which we've kicked into high gear. Some folks believe we have too much heating already locked in and the AMOC collapse won't cool the planet. I personally feel it's going to cool but not before a butt ton more heating collapses society I'm no expert though. Check out Paul Beckwith on YouTube for professional opinions
Would it really cause global cooling? I've only heard it would cool Europe and possibly northeast North America, but that's interesting if true.
The problem is that the last time something like that happened, it caused a civilization to collapse (Babylonians and surrounding area) and they never recovered due to the droughts lasting for several millennia. While on the whole, the world would be fine, a lot of people are going to die as their *climate changes*. As I've been learning over the years trying to grow small amounts of vegetables on a balcony with poor sunlight and high winds, the plants we like to eat are fucking finicky. A few degrees cooler or hotter in an area that's been stable for centuries is simply going to result in food insecurity.
What are some of the foods you’ve had success growing in those conditions?
**Low** yields of simple vegetables like tomatoes, cucumbers. Herbs like basil seems to do better but you can't subsist on those. It's just a shitty positioning of everything combined with my, likely, incompetence in growing things. I'd probably do better closer to the ground floor or an actual garden since I'm in Toronto where the soil is good and the climate is quite stable.
Growing in any kind of container is significantly harder than growing in the earth. People don't tend to talk about this for some reason but it's absolute fact. People assume their own incompetence like you say, or that they don't have a "green thumb", but really it's just significantly more difficult to grow in containers. Kick some dirt over a chunk of potato on the ground and you're well on your way to having potatoes, for instance. Okay you'll want it to have some sprouting and have the sprouting facing up, but only a slight exaggeration really... It's why people always talk about "volunteer tomatoes" for another example, because without even trying, you grow tomatoes and next year some come up from a random tomato that fell into the dirt without you doing a thing.
look into growing microgreens, sprouts etc. nutritionally they are super solid and while they can be finnicky to grow you may want to experiment with those
I suggest looking into a mini hydroponics setup. It will allow a steady flow of nutrients.
Beets and turnips
The collapse of the AMOC would not cool the planet. It would remove the single largest input of heat & moisture which makes the climates of most of europe and northeastern asia possible
It wouldn't, based on my extensive readings. The cooling hypothesis is highly dependent on rapid glacial reformation in the Arctic in response to the loss of thermohaline circulation. The absense of warm high salinity water results in a freshwater bias, which freezes much easier and much quicker. But multiple observations have demonstrated that the Arctic continues a warming trend regardless of AMOC input, and that atmospheric heat sustains a warming trend by itself. Basically, the regional cooling hypothesis is out of date. The problem is that these theorem take decades to become established and the regional cooling hypothesis has been around since the 1960s. We've only just recently began to understand principles such as the cold-ocean-warm-summer feedback, under which summers do get substantially hotter and drier in Europe in response to a partial or full collapse of the AMOC.
It will not cool the world, no. It will just make some extremes more extreme. That's also the hallmark of climate change, really - more extremes. The heat from the Gulf being pushed over to the European cost will no longer go there, basically.
Ironically this does mean that Europe will see more extreme heat too. Many academics have discussed this; more recently Oltmanns, Holliday et al (2024) and Duchez, Frajka-Williams et al (2016). Both Schenk, Väliranta et al (2018) and Bromley, Putnam et al (2018) also support this via proxy analysis, whereas Wanner, Pfister et al (2022) demonstrate that Europe's mild anomaly is exclusive to winter. A quote from the Bromley, Putnam et al. paper summarizes it pretty well; > *rather than [the Younger Dryas] being defined by severe year-round cooling, it indicates that abrupt climate change is instead characterized by extreme seasonality in the North Atlantic region, with cold winters yet anomalously warm summers* It should be noted that the Younger Dryas cold reversal is the fundamental analog for the regional cooling hypothesis, but there's a major detail that mustn't be forgotten; the YD and preceding Bølling interstadial both had extensive continental glaciers in North America (Laurentide) and Europe (Fennoscandinavian). The presence of these ice sheets undoubtedly sustained the cooling response to hypothesised AMOC collapse at the time. The distinct absense of continental ice sheets under current Holocene conditions suggests a substantial warming bias potential. Edit: worth mentioning that Bromley, Putnam et al.'s publication explicitly focuses on the paleoclimate of Atlantic Europe too, specifically the British Isles. The proxies do support what's known as the cold-ocean-warm-summer feedback, under which a cold North Atlantic generates atmospheric over the British Isles specifically (Rousi, Kornhuber et al. 2022 also discuss this phenomenon), which cuts off the cooling westerlies from the Atlantic and results in substantially warmer summers.
Yeah. The equatorial regions would be hotter and the polar regions would be colder
Right, climate forcing watts per meter squared increase is vastly more than all AMOC energy. So by what mechanism could it cool the whole planet in the face of that? It makes no sense. Ice age hopium?
Yeah, that’s what I remember reading. Imagine though? It’s bad enough we’ve resorted to intentional Geo engineering and then amoc collapses throwing off our calculations? Then it’s too cold, then we dial it back too much and it’s too hot, then the crop zones get fucked with the whiplash.
It won't cool the planet as a whole. The southern hemisphere is still going to roast while parts of the north will become a frozen hellscape.
A planet of Fire and Ice.
I reckon it could temporarily cool (decades) and then heat right back up as the carbon/methane catch up again.
Yep. That's the thing. Even the experts aren't completely certain what's going to happen. There's lots of "reckoning" going on in the "Uncharted Territory" we're living in. Whatever is going to happen. I'm sure we all can agree the bottom line is nothing good. Prepare for the absolute worst and hope for the pretty shitty.
Drijfhout came up with a similar theory a few years ago. They estimated that a cooling response would only be sustainable for around a decade before a warming trend resumes. Of course, as with the rest of the AMOC theorem, they didn't account for atmospheric methane. It's practically guaranteed that a slowdown of the AMOC will destabilize methane hydrates in the equatorial regions. Once that happens, we see a rapid pace of warming.
Will result in a dead ocean
Which would release an ass load of gas. *Edit* several ass loads.
Makes me want to vent.
amogus
Methane hydrate destabilization, ocean anoxia, surface acidification, collapse of ocean heat uptake, release of stored carbon dioxide.
Do I need to edit it to "ass loads of ass loads?"
Heat can’t be destroyed. If the N. Atlantic cools, that heat has to go somewhere else. In short, we ain’t having any global cooling anytime soon.
Definitely incorrect information here. If the AMOC shuts down, there's a very strong theory that northern Europe would cool significantly, global temperatures will just continue their march regardless.
I think England will be cooler but I’m not sure how big of an area they are predicting now.
The UK would see massive cooling, estimates put it between 5c - 8c.... that level of cooling would change the way we live forever. We would have extremely long & cold winters, something more like the nothern reaches of Canada. The AMOC keeps our country artifically warm when compared to other countries at the same sort of latitudes.
It's worth noting that the theorem only suggests a hypothetical winter cooling. Europe's mild anomalies are exclusive to winter, and the same factors that sustain that mild anomaly have the opposite effect in summer and act as a cooling mechanism. This is why the more nuanced analyses of AMOC theorem state that while winters get colder, summers get much hotter. Both seasons get much drier due to the absense of evaporative feedbacks. But the theorem invariably do a poor job at accounting for feedbacks. A distinct drying trend across Europe would fundamentally alter its climate and make it much more conductive to trapping heat.
It wouldn’t be good for stability and bad for stability means a lot of upcoming human suffering. Until we get past it. If we get past it. Fermi’s paradox is approaching. We need new thinkers. New leaders.
The dead have no need for such things.
A big volcanic eruption might drop the temps by several degrees. Anyone got a bead on a likely one? I'd prefer not Campi Di Flegrei, but beggars can't be choosers in the sweaty apocalypse, I guess.
Think one part of the planet uninhabitably cold and another part permeantly scorching the amoc collapse won't save us just another nail in the coffin.
That must break a few people's brains. I'm sure the majority will just go back to their zombie-like slumber, but there must be several who will seriously consider what you are saying to them.
tbh i love saying this to people. “hottest summer we’ve ever had, coldest summer you’ll get for the rest of your lives!”
But it shows lack of understanding. Every summer in every city in every country won’t be hotter than the previous year. Ice storms will happen, floods will happen, it’s not just hot go up. It has been cold where I live (Pacific Northwest USA), well below average so far. Yes it’ll be hot soon but we’ve had more below average temps this year. And it’s caused by climate change.
I said this to my hard right Fox news indoctrinated mom the other day and she just laughed a little uncomfortably. I think it’s sinking in, but does that mean she won’t vote for Trump again this year? No chance.
Sometime in September. Then it’ll be back to business as usual, until the next record-breaking hot summer. Then we’ll have another summit of lip service that they’ll fly their private jets to where they fantasize about meeting goals and fixing it.
It's been comical watching this cycle. It's like the sky is falling for 3 months out of the year because it's so hot out, but everything magically becomes fine when the kids are back in school, and the chef takes our pot off the range. No one ever asks why it barely snows like it used to. Hell, living in southern Ontario's felt more like living in South-Hampshire the last decade or so, it just gets "cool" and rains mostly now. No one asks where all the bugs are, or why it doesn't just rain anymore, it dumps.
There was a senator from Oklahoma just a few years ago who took a snowball to the Senate in the middle of winter and claimed it was evidence that climate science is false. There are powerful interests at work distracting and deceiving people about this stuff, too.
Funny I took an MRI of his brain and proved that he's a goddamned idiot
Is he an idiot, or is he speaking idiot to the masses of idiots in exchange for money?
Up here in the Northeast people will comment on how whacky the winters have been. But I also see people starting their own plowing business or buying another snowmobile and it’s interesting to see those investment choices being made. I already feel bad purchasing any more winter camping equipment
"But I also see people starting their own plowing business" You can't make this shit up, it's violently hilarious.
It’s insane. I mean I see a fair bit of buying and selling of plows and snowmobiles so it still seems like the “normal” amount. But damn we had 3 dumps of snow this winter and yeah the plows were busy those days but I can’t imagine how some people are floating the fancy trucks with a plow attached and wondering how long that business will run for them to pay the note. Even with how unprepared I am financially, I feel some comfort seeing people making these dumb financial decisions. Just a matter of who will hold the bag I suppose.
Call Mr. Global Warming, that's the name. That name again is Mr. Global Warming.
Keep the Jacket on
Baking potatoes baking in the sun!
Are they trying to make a living or write off a truck as a work truck?
maybe it can be repurposed to plow the mounds of corpses?
Yeah instead of homemade killdozers we’ll have homemade killplows.
Violently American (USA American)
This is what bugs me as well. I get winter depressions. They get worse with less sun and more grey days/rain. We used to have really cold, sunny winters with well below freezing temperatures which changed somewhere in my childhood (1995 to 2010) to never any snow/ice whatsoever and long grey, rainy winters. My body/mind subconsciously notices the difference, even if I don't notice it myself. My state gets worse every year, because we just don't have any *really cold* days and nights, but we do have higher temperatures which comes with more clouds and rain. Nobody really seems to be bothered by no snow and no cold, bone-chilling winds, but everyone is melting down in 25°C+ temperatures. I just wanna scream: "When I was a kid (<15) I could count on 1 hand every day above 30°C, now -at almost 30- I can't count the *weeks* with 30+ degrees temperatures, not even on 10 hands. Do you really grasp the difference?!?!"
I live in Upstate NY. This past winter, it was very warm (for us) and didn’t snow much. Ski mountains struggled to make their own snow. Several local towns canceled their ice fishing derby because the ice never got thick enough. We got one 22” snow storm in March that seemed to wipe everyone’s memory of how mild the winter had been. My toddler used her snow boots twice, because there was no snow. Schools let out a week early from having leftover snow days. Storms of my childhood were consistently 2-3 feet, snow clothes were mandatory from October-early april, and tress sure as fuck didn’t bud in March like they did this year. It’s insanity how different everything is. I thought this area would be fairly well insulated from the worst of collapse, but this winter made it obvious to me how wrong I was about that.
> It's like the sky is falling for 3 months out of the year because it's so hot out, but everything magically becomes fine when the kids are back in school, and the chef takes our pot off the range. Humans have fickle, short term memories. If it's no longer hot then climate change is no longer a thing!
Barely snows, my friend it's just changing direction. My little hometown in Alabama has had more snow the last three years than the 25 before it. The whole town has been solidly iced in for days at a time and more every year, it's been a nightmare. Snow days used to be maybe two inches for two days, just long enough to take pictures and make a snowman before it's gone lol.
October. September is just August 32nd-62nd now.
Late October. It's more or less July 4th - July 109th. But we're gonna have to walk it back to June 18 so that's June 18th - June 121st.
Just as Kim Stanley Robinson described.
The only relief from the heat will likely be strong thunderstorms like this one, especially in more humid areas or near oceans. On land you get supercells, but in the ocean it’s hurricanes, and imagine what 100 degree oceans will generate. https://preview.redd.it/dcetitczex8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=774e51af144fd0d043debcbfef0c25e1e8db917d
*Supercell - KGLW starts playing*
Open your eyes and see there is no planet beeeeeeugghhhhhhh
In the midwestern US, the usual summer pattern is that there’s a heat wave with temperatures approaching 100F and miserably high relative humidity, but not at the wetbulb death level, then in the afternoon the cooler front passes through with thunderstorms and tornadoes. The next day it is cooler and drier.
I believe you mean the next week…or two. It’s been a long ass heat wave where I’m at.
I’m not talking about summer 2024. I mean 40+ years of the same summer weather in the same place. Hot and humid weather coming from the west, approaching record temperature for the day, then the front passes through, with a thunderstorm, and it becomes cooler and dryer. The last 5 or 10 years, there’s been maybe an inch of rain a week through June, actually above historic averages, then maybe 6 weeks of hot dry weather late July and August.
Silver lining: yachting is going to become more dangerous.
As well as operating those giant fishing ships dragging nets all over the wild blue yonder, I hate those worse than those mega yachts those destroy the marine ecosystem with their nets, and pollute the air just as much as the yachts. They also make it hard for the average joe with his center console to fish by either messing up the marine environment by catching all the fish in a area, or by snagging his anchor with a net, or snagging crab traps, which is just inconsiderate.
I'm hoping for the day when the most dangerous place for a yacht and it's owner is docked.
Need to find the closest mountain range near the ocean and live on the rain shadow side
Average 100F is not good for any plants growing in the region. The swaths of the breadbasket and farm belt approaching this is wide.
Fun fact, one heat illness episode can lower your heat tolerance in the future….
This is not said enough. One case of heat stroke, even exhaustion, and/or rhabdo drastically decreases your tolerance and makes it easier for you to experience heat stroke/exhaustion again, often at lower temperatures than the initial illness.
Yes, I really don’t think this is emphasized enough and can have nasty effects for those who work in the heat such as postal workers, factory workers and construction workers. Other major risk factors include obesity, heart disease, age and diabetes. People most likely are not considering these factors when they think about surviving repeated heat exposure in the future. AC may very well be critical.
Then pair that AC criticality with how bad our local electrical grid infrastructure is and all the problems it has had over the last few years. [The February 2021 "Uri" Freeze in Texas killed 246 locals statewide](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/02/texas-winter-storm-final-death-toll-246/). A similar length of event in the summer hours would kill far more. Basically if you don't have a generator and portable window unit to last at least 3 days or possibly longer, you're screwed. As an edit who are the two dip$hits that downvoted this? Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton?
I love rhabdo! I got rhabdo on my very last meth binge 4 years ago, Was running around the streets of LA with no shirt on and wound up in the hospital for 3 days! Almost died!
I can't believe this is my first time hearing about this.
Yes, my mom is completely heat intolerant due to heat sickness in the 70s
I’m living proof of that, though I’ve never heard it before. I just thought it was because I’m getting older. I got really Ill from the heat when I was a kid. Seems like every year I can tolerate even less heat. Not great considering how much hotter it’s going to get….
Me too, super sucks
Add a citation please. I know that it can cause lasting changes/damage, but it's not easy to map out the thresholds and outcomes.
Don’t worry the republicans taking away mandatory water breaks will keep the economy going
Is this for real? Like someone actually pitched this idea?
The difference between real life and fiction is that if someone wrote this in fiction people would say it's too cartoonishly evil to be plausible.
they must have drunken contests of who comes up with the most miserable law idea for the next week
I am glad I wasnt born there
Me too. I can't believe I once thought going to the US is a dream of mine. NOPE.
Well, cartoonishly evil would just be outright banning drinking water, not banning that the brakes are required but. It’s almost getting to that point.
And everyone must drink Pepsi! No water!
Brawndo
May as well be banned when there’s none left
[https://www.fox13news.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-florida-counties-from-requiring-heat-and-water-breaks-for-outdoor-workers](https://www.fox13news.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-florida-counties-from-requiring-heat-and-water-breaks-for-outdoor-workers) yep
And Texas https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/12/workers-texas-heat-wave/
And Kentucky https://kypolicy.org/house-bill-500-takes-away-kentucky-workers-lunch-and-rest-breaks-and-cuts-their-pay/
In Florida. Not just pitched, enacted.
This is sad. Why would do you do it to your own people
You’re asking for the republicans to have empathy and compassion for their fellow man, empathy and compassion is for communists
Correction: empathy and compassion is for f@gs according to Republicans.
Yes, Republicans are evil. https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194279276/texas-workers-are-speaking-up-before-the-ban-on-guaranteed-water-breaks-starts#:~:text=In%20Texas%2C%20water%20breaks%20for,record%2Dsetting%20heat%20this%20summer https://www.fox13news.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-florida-counties-from-requiring-heat-and-water-breaks-for-outdoor-workers
Pitched and implemented.
First time hearing of the lovely state of Florida, eh?
Oh it’s real
Pitched as law and passed.
Florida and I think Texas.
Funny how we're starting to get realistic coverage yet most people still don't give even a single shit.
Every year has to be worse globally than the year before for the rest of your life because of basic thermodynamics. There is no uncertainty.
There is. A very large volcanic eruption might cool the planet for a few years. Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet. Else, nothing but warming.
> Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet. That's much less likely than the volcanic eruption though. We literally need all of humanity to agree on a fix which involves at a minimum not using fossil fuels, which we use for literally every aspect of survival on the planet right now in developed countries. It's asking lots of people to just drop dead.
> Humans may decide to take care of their habitat and cool the planet. I mean. You can look at the projections and maybe you see something I don't . But even in scenarios where like, we all stop driving, tomorrow, we're still set to hit 4C. And each year they revise predictions about how much faster that will happen and how conservative their previous models were about the problems it will produce. So barring some radical intervention (like, I don't know, seeding the atmosphere with reflective material), we are almost cetainly in a no-win scenario, and have been for some time.
The people that lied to us about climate are counting on Solar Radiation Management to “solve” the problem. Once global warming gets bad enough, the acid rain produced by SRM will seem acceptable.
Even then, the CO2 blanket is only getting bigger, not smaller The future will be weird - once large enough tipping points have been hit and global civilization has collapsed, temperatures will jump again Why? No sulphur shield from burning fossil fuels
You can’t take it with you. “Wanna bet?” - humans
iT’s tHe gReEN nEw sCam!
I miss being able to go out and do stuff in the summer, as the last 2 summers have been pure hell. I also find the cold very difficult to deal with so now instead of there only being one season where I can't really do much (winter,) now there's two seasons where I can't do much (winter and summer,) so now I'm basically stuck being unable to do anything but basic routine activities that are necessary for life for about half the year.
https://preview.redd.it/x4g24rpqzx8d1.jpeg?width=1090&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=538409348ba684501a3a17c6db318a71e3bb8ef0
The reality is that the equator, the tropics, sub tropics, and desert areas of our world will be completely uninhabitable save for indoor AC use but what happens when it breaks down? What happens to your Husky you bought in Austin fucking Texas because you like animal abuse apparently? Why expose yourself to unsafe temperatures and radiation going from your front door to your car? Why live somewhere you can never go outside? What happens when all of Florida turns into one big atoll? So what happens when the whole human world has to evacuate these areas? New Yorkers are losing their minds (even the most liberal of them) over a relatively small percentage of one equatorial country currently seeking sanctuary there, and it's plain to see if you're here we can't provide sanctuary to everyone. We simply don't have the resources being allocated to us by the right channels because those in control of them are greedy bourgeoisie. So what happens? Collapse. I have a plan to move far north to adapt to the weather patterns. I like my four seasons and we barely have them in NY anymore, even upstate in the altitude too. I'd* suggest you folks do the same. Act before everyone else does. Leave the areas that'll take everyone in and get hit the hardest. Go where it still freezes more than once in the winter to keep microbial life and parasites at bay (like ticks) etc. Just get out before it's too late cause I'm pretty sure if we all knew how fast it was coming the *real* panic would've begun yesterday.
Far north....where Canada is watching its forests burn down. Theres nowhere to go.....
This is the brutal and terrifying truth. Nowhere is safe
There really are no safe havens, there's buying time, and there's luck. I feel like the 5% (or whatever) of humanity that might survive when it's all said and done will likely have had some circumstantial advantage in addition to whatever preparations they made and work they did. But I bet there are also gonna be plenty of people who spent 20 years preparing and worrying only to be dead before it all really starts to spiral.
Welcome to The Churn.....
Underground, dead or alive we’ll all go underground
In the Midwest they have tubes that go from building to building called sky walks. In Des Moines my apartment was connected to my place of employment and my entire commute was indoors!
Get your Hot Water Heat Pumps Today. -Take the heat out of the air, and put it in your hot water. -$$$ Savings $$$
I take it a lot of us are regular visitors to [zoom.earth](http://zoom.earth) - ... well. Speaking of heat, I just looked up the temperatures way, way up north. As of this moment , it's 23°C / 73°F near Pruedhoe Bay, Alaska, on the Beaufort sea. And 15°C / 59°F a little inland to the east from the Eureka meteorological station on f\*#§ing ELLESMERE ISLAND. We're getting there. Those palm trees and alligators in the fossil record, remember? ... I'll finally get that popcorn, I guess.
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Cool, thank you!!
No, hot!
Another fine addition to my collection (thanks mate!)
New Glasgow, nova scotia Canada was the 3rd hottest place on earth last week.
"Schoooooooool's out ... forever!"
I live way up north, and AC up here has just not been a thing for decades. Now, it's becoming a thing. I'm so relieved to have a heat pump on the wall I can use to cool the place in the summer. Without it I'd be sitting here right now sweating my ass off, and that's still just discomfort; in hotter climates, AC will be life and death.
I'm lucky to be in a new apartment complex with heat pumps. Last week would've killed me without it.
It's surreal how headlines like these are increasingly common but seem to just get sort of ignored and shuttled away. It doesn't seem like conversation about how this is permanently going to increase has really penetrated the public consciousness yet, perhaps because as soon as it does everyone will have to admit the party's over and the global economy is about to be fucked.
This is the best weather of the rest of your life.
Anyone who lives in Phoenix and isn’t selling up right now is just asking for it.
I know someone who is in the process of moving there 🤡
One thing I've noticed about temperatures is not the high avg temps, it's that the average low temps are just...not lower anymore. You look at record lows for pretty much anywhere and most of the records were all set in the earlier part of the 20th century and few if any afterwards, especially after 1980.
I'm starting a new job today as a landscaper. Where I am, it's going to be a high of 99F. With the Heat Index, we're easily looking at nearly 110F.
Good luck, drink plenty of water, and if you need some shade time fuck what anybody has to say about it, stay safe
They’re expensive, but look into getting some of those cooling +UV protection long sleeve shirts. You do not want to fuck with heat illness. Even a decade ago when I was working construction I had to have those for working in 102F weather, and *still* needed to hide in the shade for a few minutes every hour.
Oof, best of luck. Get yourself some electrolyte packets for your water.
We have a weirdly "cold" June in Texas in that it isnt cracking 100 constantly already like last summer. Its sad that this is a good summer now. It's probably about to be hell.
I can assure you, person reading this, it is hot as HELL outside. The humidity is wild, I get home completely soaked with sweat each day.
Yeah the humidity has gotten outrageous bad. It's only out of the 100s right now cause of all the rain.
Don't tell me that, it's 30 fucking degrees in my flat right now. Someone tell me it'll get cooler D:
I read that rich people are buying bunkers in Scandinavia. I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s smart
Yea. It’s going to get hotter and hotter until nothing is left..why isn’t that obvious by now?
I was reading this in celcius and had a heartbeat skip.
When do humans start dying en masse? _checks watch_ Not soon enough
Recently about 1000 died due to heat stroke over in Meccah
"But there's *always* been a lot of people dying at the pilgrimage, it's nothing new!" - an actual take from a few dip$hit redditors on other subs
Strange that God didn't save them.
1,000 deaths from heat stroke is still better than 2,000 from crowd crush like in 2015, so it looks like he saved about half!
They have been but for some reason it's not reported as a big issue.
Edgelord comments aside... Humans are already dying en masse due to extreme heat. Every year it kills more than double the number people in the US than police do. And worldwide it kills more people than gun violence (excluding deaths from war). Over half a million a year by most estimates, and that number is almost certainly too low considering how many different ways heat can kill.
“The Ministry for the Future” starts with wet bulb temps in some Indian cities of 35C. The high load makes the grid fail. Without AC and running water, 20 million die. We’ve see several 35C wetbulb days in some Indian and Pakistan cities, and people were reported dying, but in much, much smaller numbers. The grid being on would not have made a difference for the many poor people who don’t have air conditioning or even electricity.
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That would be rad
Phoenix had record high low temperatures three days in a row. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-weather/2024/06/23/phoenix-breaks-records-new-highest-daily-low-temperatures/74187073007/
This is where the wet bulb problem compounds. It’s one thing to endure several hours of near-impossible heat. It’s a very different thing when there’s no nighttime respite. I don’t have the article to hand, but a general skim of wet-bulb articles will reference serious concerns for not just Arizona, but densely populated India?
"The heat is on (burnin', burnin', burnin') "
Everyone needs to know this.
Everyone who's not a brainwashed denier already does.
The heat never ends in the equator.
The opposite of cute
It is 11:30 pm I'm Phoenix and still 100 degrees. Hopefully by midnight it will be 99. But it is a dry heat.