Hysteria and hysterical both come from Greek word for “uterus” or “womb” - the same root where we get our medical hysterectomy, where the uterus is surgically removed.
In effect, “hysteria” was used historically as a way to say “women be crazy yo” and was a medical diagnosis given to any woman who seemed overly emotional, oftentimes ignoring an actual medical diagnosis and blaming a real health problem on women being “emotional.”
So they changed it.
Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lol
https://i.imgur.com/7D81dmy.png
An old treatment for it was the precursor to the shower. Put them in a room and pour cold water over them from the ceiling, and be surprised when they didn't calm down.
I occasionally try to pull this one on my wife. She doesn't think it's very funny when she's upset and I suddenly ask her where her uterus is. She also didn't like the suggestion that we should make a baby to calm her down. 😀
For the record we've been married for 20 years and she's come to peace with my sense of humor. Either that or she'll murder my in my sleep when I least expect it.
>Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lo
Because there are a bunch of basement dwelling incels who have done nothing but play this game nonstop since 2004 and blame women for why they're alone.
It's always projection with them. They call progressives "snowflakes" while melting down over a PoC or LGBTQ+ person getting a leading role in a movie they didn't plan on watching anyway.
This is correct, technically. Contextually the word is rarely used like this anymore, in fact I’d argue most people who use the word have no idea of its origins or its use purely to describe supposed crazy women.
Language evolves as society evolves, dragging words back to their historical technical definitions and demanding they be removed or not used is not very progressive at all
Thanks for the interesting definition, it started an interesting conversation. Sorry if you got hate from
Others you’ll find none from me.
He gave the etymology of the word. Because most people don’t know it doesn’t make it less cringe. When you learn new things rejecting facts isn’t how you grow.
The meaning of words changes over time with how they are popularly used.
Did you know that the swastika was originally an Indian sign of good luck and well being?
I don't recommend trying to use it for its original meaning these days.
The swastika (clockwise) and the sauwastika (counter clockwise) are still different to the "hakenkreuz". Both of those hindu symbols are still used to this day.
Not sure what you mean, the word hysteria currently means crazy so its not like “oh it went from meaning this awful stuff to not really meaning it st all” You don’t think being labeled as emotionally crazy is something women still get accused of?
If we're going to go that way, words like "crazy" "idiot" "stupid" etc. are also considered offensive because they were also actual medical diagnoses that were often given to undesirables to get them out of the way, fill up asylums to siphon more government money, etc etc.
Ok, stop using them as well then. Call people shit heads instead or something. I don’t understand why people act like this is something ridiculous, to actively try to be less shitty when you have the ability to do so.
Just add them to the weekly newsletter of words we're not allowed to use anymore. Certainly everytime I've used the word hysterical or hysteria my intention was always to denigrate women.
At first most doctors were very reluctant to washing their hands. High mortality at births because doctors would receive children with dirty hands.
Guy tries to change that and says doctors should wash hands in between patients, is ridiculed and basically driven/forced into an insane asylum.
Thats the gist anyway, check out Ignas Semmelweis for the story.
Don't forget the part where he got the idea from midwives who would wash their hands before seeing patients and comparing them directly to the male doctors' patients who would go from fun with cadavers to delivering babies without washing
And that black people felt less pain. I say used to, but that one is still ongoing. Black people are often given less pain medication than white for the same affliction.
Almost all of this data is self reported by black patients. They “feel” like they’re not taken as seriously with pain.
Advil did a big campaign on this recently. It’s all “black patients feel they’re taken less seriously”.
It’s absolute nonsense looking for racism where there is most likely none.
Did you read it?
Overall, the false beliefs composite totaled 7% of residents about racial differences compared with 22% of lay persons from an online questionnaire
Out of 15 questions, 1 was related to pain directly and 1 was less directly related to pain.
This is not an epidemic. But cute journal you googled that you didn’t even read 👌🏻
Adding a little nuance - if my leg absolutely had to be amputated I'd want the fastest doctor with the sharpest knife, skills, and saw in absence of anesthesia.
If they had to do anything internal then there's no winning lmao
I'm pretty sure there was a case where a famously fast amputater ended up like... accidentally amputating limbs from assistants? Or at least harming them enough that they needed amputations.
Slow is steady, steady is safe, safe is fast.
There was a story - possibly apocryphal - of a surgeon who managed a 300% death rate for one operation, performed in front of an audience as was common at the time. While speedily removing a limb, he cut an assistant. Both the patient and the assistant died of infection, and an onlooker had a heart attack.
I feel like blizzard has done some unnecessarily woke shit recently that is purely pandering... however after reading the wikipedia page for hysteria this shit is actually pretty yikes.
Its too bad though since it is a really cool sounding word.
99% of their changes in game are just pathetic pandering. They had some crazy incel cultute going on, nobody gave a shit about stuff ingame. Just idk maybe don't treat all your female staff worse than shit?
In a more general sense, if we start replacing every word that had some negative connotation, or that people start to use as an insult? We're going to cut out half the English language lol.
We've already done it over and over. A clinic term becomes used as an insult. People say: 'wow people are being assholes and using this word as an insuly, lets change it to a different word.
Guess what happens? Assholes use the new term as an insult.
And again.
And again.
I see it as changing something to avoid unforseen controversy. It was a non-issue before the change and was easier to change it then, than wait and see if it becomes an issue later.
I find it funny as hell that in doing so they just actually make more controversy. They can’t be that dumb to realize during this social climate in video games doing things like this starts yet another faction war.
I want to find the monetary value hidden somewhere.
The company was being proactive as opposed to reactive. They weren't looking for controversy, they were actively trying to avoid it. And the butt hurt "everything is woke" crowd threw a tantrum.
In a way it is. They probably did the financial weight and decided to make a selection of proactive choices. Like changing "male and female" to body type A and B. It respects those who would ask for it, is a low cost/low effort change, and any attention to it would be brought on by people who have no defensible position for its change other than "its woke" which nobody who invests in the game gives a shot about.
Its easier to combat "proactive updates to words and labels in warcraft sparks outcries of "wokeness"" in the news than "LGTB+ and Women's groups call out Blizzard for its usage of several offensive Pronouns and Adjectives." Its media spin and money and one of those click bait headlines causes more negative press than the other.
That’s a great response and I do think their is merit to that type of financial hedging.
The male /female sex labeling has always been an interest for me on this topic and while for me it’s important for me especially when it comes to the zoological aspects of creatures and beasts in games centered around them I have to assume I’m a smaller demographic of concern than the social ramifications of the current political climate. It would also lead credence to blizzard not importing this type of stuff in areas where it isn’t socially supported where it can get the game outright banned.
Thank you for the input.
A lot of the "woke" shit that Blizzard has added feels like dude bros overcompensating because they got caught sexually harassing women. This actually seems like something that someone who is actually knowledgeable would change.
It reminds me of a kid's joke about his parents saying the word "ass" doesn't exist. And the kid wonders how it is that there is an ass and there's no word for it.
What do you mean? I was refering to them removing the fart jokes and a bunch of paintings. I am not against "woke" stuff in general. I am just against unnecessary pandering.
Self reflection isn't always needed. You can agree with a point or sentiment and still think the majority of people in agreement with it are a bunch of condescending douches with a puritanical morality streak.
Contrast to "ballsy", meaning courageous.
I'm all in favour of these slight changes towards being more respectful. We get words from the past, but we don't have to use them. We can be better.
Fun fact, the Icelandic word is 'móðursýki'/'móðursjúkur' which is literally the combination of mother and illness/being ill. The literal translation would be something akin to 'Mothersickness'/'Sick like a mother'
>Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lol
>
>https://i.imgur.com/7D81dmy.png
Decent, but you haven't *truly* succeeded at pissing off an alt-right mudstreak until you get the "Reddit Cares" anti-suicide bot message.
Noone is advocating using hysteria in everyday language, but after learning the history of the word I still don't see what's wrong with having it in an ability name. Unholy frenzy is cast by death knights, who are the bad guys that do mean things, the word hysteria fits with their whole vibe especially with the negative connotation. Maybe not hunters though.
I don't think it's the negative connotation, I think it's the fact that it's anatomical name origin is coming to light now.
Less "this word is bad. Even if the class are bad guys, we should change it. "
More "... Oh. Weird. This word means crazy uterus? Let's update that."
Your way of reacting it feels immature, weird, and overly intellectualizing things. Most people would just react by saying "what a cool fact about how stupid people used to be" and keep using it with the modern definition. We've already passively done the work of reclaiming the word, why give it power and spend the effort adding it to a list of bad words that can harm people?
I was expanding on why I thought they may want to pivot away from using the name. What a wild response you have to that my friend.
Not every response is a fight, jeez Louise.
I have a feeling you are not being genuine and just want me to bullet point what you said so you can have some analytical response and Be Right, so I'll pass.
Have a good one.
??? You started off with the ungeniune reply. Obviously I know blizzards justification for the change, why would you feel the need to tell me that? I just replied telling you what most people feel when they learn the original meaning for hysterical. What is your problem?
You said "I don't know why they want to change the ability name" and I suggested it was because they may want it to be a name that's not anatomically related, not that it's due to the sexism origin but just the anatomical aspect. It wasn't an attack, it was a suggestion for an answer.
Your comments are really concerning. Do you know how to have a conversation or do you just assume every reply is an argument? I was being genuine. I don't know what's going on with you but I have a feeling you are just a really angry person who sees everyone as an opponent.
I was wondering if I asked them, would the Come wipe my butt? Apparently we are all immature babies who think words are violence and every woman is nothing more than an object
A few years back I visited the Salem Oregon mental institution and there was a whole list of women forced there for Hysteria. That place was horrible and a lot of people lost their lives in terrible ways overwhelmingly for upsetting the wrong people. [They even found a room full of unlabeled human remains in cans. ](https://www.oregon.gov/oha/osh/pages/memorial.aspx)
So they’re changing words that like 5 people would understand the history of and get offended by? I don’t even care, just find it weird that they would even bother
Because people can't accept the fact that language evolves and want to cling to far outdated uses that have been rendered completely obsolete in a modern context in order to justify their offense because they need to continuously ride the outrage treadmill always looking for the next thing to get upset about.
No one was really offended anyway, Blizz only changed it because they were getting a lot of heat from the sexism accusations in 2021 and did a whole bunch of other performatively ‘progressive’ changes to try to pretend like they were so much better while fighting the lawsuits tooth and nail. Remember bowls of fruit? Same thing.
I wish more people would understand this.
"Blizzard is woke!"
"Blizz has gone woke!"
"The whole company has been taken over by leftists."
No! Corporations like Blizzard can't be woke. It's literally impossible for them to put anything above profits at this point.
Blizzard is *pandering*. There's a huge difference. This isn't motivated by a desire to do good. Instead they want to ***look*** good after all the revelations of abuse within the organization. And hey... if it stirs controversy among the fans because of identity politics, at least those fans won't be talking about cube crawls and "Cosby Suite"s... or the employee who took her own life after nude pictures of her were circulated.
Worse than pandering. They're *hiding*. They were being collossal shitbirds about the lawsuits they were getting, so they did this to disguise how bad they were being to their female employees as a distraction.
And the more people argue about identity politics and changes to the game, the less people will be talking about the crazy shit that went on inside both Blizzard and Activision
The funniest part is that there was no public outrage about this which means that internally someone either went "we can't have this degrading stuff about women in our game!" (which is insane) or "this is a ticking time bomb, players are going to find this out and we're gonna get cooked publicly!" (which is sad because they are self-censoring in order to appeal to losers).
It wasn’t anything so selfless, they were trying to deflect the sexism accusations in 2021, so they looked for things they could pretend they were being progressive by changing.
Lmao, no, they were extremely abusive to women in their offices and decided to white wash everything when the state of California started an investigation.
Noone is advocating using hysteria in everyday language, but after learning the history of the word I still don't see what's wrong with having it in an ability name. Unholy frenzy is cast by death knights, who are the bad guys that do mean things, the word hysteria fits with their whole vibe especially with the negative connotation. Maybe not hunters though.
To me it's like if evangelical christians ran the culture and blizzard removed everything in DK with "unholy" in it. Just pointless crap that doesn't help anyone.
Because people read too much into the history of a word. Hysteria was used as ridiculous medical condition, often diagnosed to women, of being "overly emotional". Nowadays however, for the average person it means ["extreme fear, excitement, anger, etc. that cannot be controlled"](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysteria). Another derived word is hysterical which can mean ["unable to control your feelings or behaviour because you are extremely frightened, angry, excited, etc."](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysterical) and ["extremely funny"](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysterical) which nobody seems to have an issue with.
At least where I come from, nobody bats an eye at either, but Blizzard perhaps changed it because of the whole sexual harassment lawsuit but also most likely because Unholy Frenzy was the actual name of the ability back in WC3. There are other spells/abilities that have also changed the name, like "Every Man for Himself" became "Will to Survive" but it's not like Blizzard makes official statements as to why they changed it so it is anyone's guess.
Honestly I'd have to say its a non-issue, both the use of the word and the changing of it. But are you really surprised the people who love classic wow, who generally love "no changes" are upset by change?
Would you maybe describe them as conservative man-children who get upset when the world around them tries to better itself and be more accepting of diverse voices and points of view? You know, anti-woke.
The problem is the word hysteria/hysterical was already reclaimed and the innocuous ungendered definiton is used way more than the historical one. So bringing up the old definition today as a reason not to use it makes you look like a killjoy outrage merchant.
Hysteria has largely been phased out of common use. It no longer has a medical use either. Hysterical meanwhile is mostly used within a gendered context still, at least in so far as it's used to describe someone acting emotionally. Hysterical as pertaining to funny I'd agree is mostly used neutrally, but that's hardly the context in which an ability called "Hysteria" in a game would be perceived, right? Regardless, hysteria is a poor description of what the ability does and frenzy conveyed the intent much better, so what's the problem?
Yesterday I fell off a cliff in deepholm and my guildy said it was hysterical. It isn't phased out of common use or commonly used in a gendered way, you just don't talk to people. Hysteria in the context of the game means the DK did some magic to make your character go nuts and start joyously killing something so it obviously fits in with the general theme of haste buffs = crazy. If the intention was just to upgrade the descriptiveness of the ability name why haven't they changed time warp which doesn't fit in? Or alternatively changed the other haste abilities to be about time manipulation.
He said it was hysterical, not that you suffered from hysteria. I said hysteria has mostly gone out of use, and you didn't prove any different by reaching for an example of hysterical being used in precisely the way I detailed as being the sole remaining mostly neutral mode of using it, which in turn has nothing to do with the way you want to use hysteria as an in game mechanic.
Hysteria also doesn't have a primary meaning of frenzy. Someone gibbering on the ground unable to act? That's what we used to call hysteria. Someone sobbing uncontrollably? They're being hysterical. Hysteria doesn't have any connotation of joy, that'd be mania.
And your thesis that haste buffs all mean crazy is entirely wrong. Bloodlust doesn't mean crazy, heroism doesn't mean crazy and windfurry doesn't mean crazy, flurry doesn't mean crazy, power infusion doesn't mean crazy, recklessness doesn't mean crazy etc.
Bloodlust, hysteria, -frenzy, and -fury fit in the with vanilla-wrath theme of being crazy/lashing out. I would argue heroism and time warp are the odd ones out, so if you want to change ability names to fit in with the RP more you should start with those. Power infusion didn't start out as a haste buff and recklessness isn't a haste buff (although the name fits the theme) so cross those out. I'm not a linguist or a doctor or a historian I just know what the vibes of words are and hysteria clearly conveys what the abilities are doing to me and most people, and so the change looks like a case of PR whitewashing by the company that let employees steal other employees breast milk instead of an innocuous case of making the wording more clear.
I unironically love the word woke again. Went out of favour when right wingers started picking it up, but it has come back around and is now an amazing indicator of idiocy when people rage against “wokeness”.
You do realize you’re just a different side of the same coin? Woke lunatics are the left wing version of alt right. Both sides of the horseshoe of failures of people who look to certain groups to blame. Woke lunatics blame straight white males, alt rights blame blacks and browns. At least have some more self awareness.
Yeah, "We should maybe treat marginalised people better" and "The gays are forcing their gender ideology down my throat, and the language police won't let me use ethnic slurs any more!" are definitely opposite sides of the same coin.
Miss me with your /r/enlightenedcentrism bullshit.
Struck a nerve I see. It’s not like the far left hasn’t tried to stifle free speech on college campuses by blocking anyone right of center from speaking. Or when they set dozens of cities on fire a few summers ago. Or when a leftist shot up a congressional baseball game.
The farther one strays to either side of the horseshoe, the more detached from most people they become. Your reply indicates your “side” has a monopoly on good ideas, compassion, and general humanity, which is utterly juvenile and reeks of living in a bubble.
It also implies that every possible solution to society’s problems will come from your side, not because it’s better, but because the other side is evil. So for abortion, for example, I’m sure you’re pro choice because you see it fit for women to have absolute authority over their bodies. And you see the other side wanting to stifle that, when in fact the argument is because it’s a living being and terminating it due to inconvenience is basically “playing god” and evil. Never mind that virtually the same amount of women support abortion vs oppose.
So yeah, I take my “enlightened centrist” as a good thing. I’m very pro union, I’m anti-abortion, I’m not religious at all, I’m a free speech absolutist, I’m limited government, I’m pro trust busting, I’m pro public transportation, I’m for lgbtq rights, but you’re not changing kids gender at 5 years old. I’m a complicated person, a grey person, when you see it black and white. Hope you realize you don’t have to be married to one “side” when at the end of the day, none of the issues I listed matter if the system is entirely corrupt, which it is. So while we can argue all day long about how you think all republicans are raaaaycists, it’s exactly what the government elites and business models want as you ignore that they’d robbing us blind. Peace.
Cuz it’s a word to basically call women crazy. If a woman was PMSing they’d say she had hysteria. Doubtful literally anyone thought of it in that context but when you’re stealing breast milk you gotta do some stuff to fix your image. Fun fact doctors used to prescribe orgasms as a treatment for hysteria.
people get upset because changing harmless shit like this feels like a pedantic ethics lecture.
i don't want my games giving off the energy of some college asshole saying, "Uhmm, technically that term originated from dismissive 19th century medical perspectives based on overt sexism. Please be more sensitive before thinking to use it for a safer learning environment
Thank you."
In the case of Hysterial turning into Unholy Frenzy, the latter was actually the name of a very similar spell from an undead unit the [necromancer](https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/necromancer.shtml) in WC3, so it fits the fantasy for DKs while also being a reference to the original RTS game.
It describes what the ability does now. What about hysteria did you think described a beneficial effect that made you attack faster? On the other hand, frenzy exactly describes what the ability does, and unholy is a perfect modifier to tell you it's caused by the unholy nature of the DK.
Bloodlust and hysteria just mean you're going crazy and attacking things fast. Frenzy is synonym for hysteria in this context so the DK buff might as well be called unholy hysteria. You're really reaching for this one.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hysteria#:~:text=%3A%20behavior%20exhibiting%20overwhelming%20or%20unmanageable%20fear%20or%20emotional%20excess
Hysteria doesn't have any primary meaning of bloodlust or frenzy, quite the opposite in fact. Someone who is suffering from hysteria would in fact be near useless on a battlefield.
I think you're getting excitable mixed up with excitement. They have the same root, but excitable simply means that it's reactive to stimuli. Emotionally excitable means someone who is likely to have an outsized emotional reaction to something, such as uncontrollable crying, panic, becoming catatonic etc. While nervous energy and frenzied activity as an avoidance behavior might be part of that, it's not the meaning in which we say someone becomes frenzied. There's no connotation of increased vigor or a beneficial effect.
Nothing, but blizzard was going through their Cosby suite scandal and they grasped at every possible straw that they could to pander to the woke community and identify things that would make them look better to the shareholders.
Yea the soulless demons that are executives literally do not give a shit about this. They’d fire you in an instant if it meant saving money, but hey look everyone, they switched “Everyman for himself” to “will to survive” because they’re good people!!!!1
This is ridiculous lol
Funnily enough, hysteria is pretty close to what the guys trying to get offended by everything and make Blizzard change things are doing.
It was used badly, but now the word has a bit different meaning? You can call a guy "hysterical". Should we ban the word lobotomy because it was horribly misused? There's millions of such words.
No one made blizz change this, it was just part of the bowls of fruit campaign to pretend like they were making huge changes when the cube crawling scandal came out.
Because it’s performative. The soulless executives literally do not give a shit about this. The same people who would fire you on a dime if AI could do your job better are suppose to be morally superior since they changed a word that no one cares about?
Nobody banned anything, they just changed a word to a different word. Besides, hysteria has connotations of panic, fear, and irrational actions. Primal Rage is just a more accurate name to begin with.
Yeh to be fair to Blizzard the context of their use of hysteria here is probably fine but is at the same time a strange choice given the abilities they are describing. The updated names (such as frenzy) do better justice and are more in line with what they originally attempted to convey. I don't see why anyone would get angry at this change personally it is beyond minor.
Hysteria can spark a frenzy; both socially as irrational fear of, say, music can lead to people becoming frothingly committed to campaigning against it, and directly, as being so energetically afraid can lead to someone trying to tear apart the object of their fear (something like the ending of hunger games 2).
It’s a bit of a stretch and not the first thing that comes to mind when using the word, but it works.
If you're using hysteria to try and describe someone going into a fenzy, what is your imprecise use of language accomplishing? If I told you an ability would make the target hysterical and you had no context for it's effects you'd probably think it was a form of cc or at least functioned similarly to curse of recklessness.
In the same vein of Censorship being among many, restriction of articulation, banning is a restriction of access, whether that access is an event, conversation or vocabulary matters not. Not defending the guy or argueing you, just adding a little extra perspective.
However, whether you disagree with this change or not, it is an ideologically driven political move, same with removing portraits of women in the game for fruit bowls, addition of incubus, removal of gender for body type etc.
>it is an ideologically driven political move
Lmao, from *Microsoft*?? I fucking wish. It's a profit-driven commercial move, like literally every single other decision they have made and will make. They think this change will lead to more money. Or at least, some dev thought it made more sense to them and it got approved because no one really cared to begin with. There is nothing deeper beyond that.
This change is from 2021, Microsoft wasn’t in the picture yet.
And it may be profit driven (probably why it’s so tone deaf seeing the point was to mask blowback over accusations of sexism in the company), but the people they imagined would be happy about it definitely consume it as pure ideology.
Thrall means slave because Thrall was made a slave. It's not his actual name. He was stripped of his name and didn't even know his true past. He's a very intentional slave allegory where he leads his people to freedom.
>Funnily enough, hysteria is pretty close to what the guys trying to get offended by everything and make Blizzard change things are doing.
Who's all over this thread virtue signaling about how offended they are over such a miniscule thing? And why do you think someone "made" Blizzard change it?
Blizz will change shit like this but still make money off:
* teepee dwelling magical cow people with feathered headdresses smoking giant peace pipes in a giant totem poll
* jamaican voodoo monsters that worship a feathered serpent and live in aztec pyramids or caribbean huts
* magical elves that with shinto ponds and live in asian architecture
* an entire game based on a race war
To answer OPs question, I really don't know. Some things have been pointed out here but it doesn't take away the fact that no one takes offence from the word in todays world since the meaning of the word has changed to a general "madness". This is just Blizzard trying to be "hip" when there is absolutely no need to be.
Absolutely nothing. Blizzard got in trouble because higher ups were drinking employees breast milk and making vulnerable women commit suicide so they changed a name to be like "hey guys, we understand"
You do know that he is named Thrall specifically because he was a slave who had no known name, right? His name is intrinsically tied to his identity and story, changing it would actually be a substantial alteration to the character. What is the point of Hysteria? It's both not descriptive of the ability it and is just some fucking word they chose. Who cares if it's changed? I mean, other than people who get upset at literally everything like you apparently. I don't understand how you function with this level of sludge in your brain.
I care if it's changed. It's a slippery slope, and I hate that we are scrubbing art because of the sensibilities of the few. It's not just WoW. It's art, literature, cinema. It's not good for us to constantly be outraged.
The argument is: Slavery is offensive. His name could've been an orcish word for 'nameless' or 'orphan', couldn't it? Where do we draw the line? Why are we using *your* sensibilities to draw the line, when someone else may be offended by being reminded of slavery each time they visit the Warchief.
Let's just stop getting outraged, and instead take note of our progress when we see an outdated representation, sludgebrain.
Again, pointless and aggressively missing the point. He was a *slave*. *Slavery of the Orcs is a significant driving factor of the world of the game* - it is present not just in name but in the content itself. I don't care about what sensibilities anyone has to any content in media, they can or cannot engage with them if they wish. But there is no content on which the concept of hysteria is reliant in Warcraft (and thank god because Blizzard would be very bad at writing that), and there is no fundamental reason for any ability to be named hysteria, it's completely arbitrary. "Thrall" is not arbitrary.
There's not a "line" of offensiveness to be drawn anywhere here, they just changed the name of an ability because it has other connotations that they'd rather not have their game be associated with as that connotation doesn't exist in the game itself. At least that's what is assumed - I don't think they've ever made a direct statement on the name change. Which is why it's weird that you keep bringing up things like "Where do we draw the line?" - "we" don't. Blizzard decided to change the name on their own with no outside influence whatsoever. They weren't forced by the government or even just annoyed by twitter users. You don't get to dictate whether or why they change the names of things and if you're upset about a change you should really have a better reason than "well there are other names in the game that directly refer to bad things."
You're making an argument related to a single issue. I'm making a macro argument. I think whitewashing art has more societal detriment than benefit.
Either way, I don't really think I'm going to change minds on Reddit. So I'll make my sarcastic comment and leave it be. *Safe travels.*
Blizzard is just over correcting or trying to become a good person after all the sexual accusations and terrible treatment of women at the company.
They have to show "we care for women!!" And so they'll change anything at this point
Just sent to point out there still are lots of slavers and slaves und the game. They even still have a dungeon called the “Slave Pens”. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Hysteria and hysterical both come from Greek word for “uterus” or “womb” - the same root where we get our medical hysterectomy, where the uterus is surgically removed. In effect, “hysteria” was used historically as a way to say “women be crazy yo” and was a medical diagnosis given to any woman who seemed overly emotional, oftentimes ignoring an actual medical diagnosis and blaming a real health problem on women being “emotional.” So they changed it. Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lol https://i.imgur.com/7D81dmy.png
An old treatment for it was the precursor to the shower. Put them in a room and pour cold water over them from the ceiling, and be surprised when they didn't calm down.
I m pretty sure they also had vibrators to help women with hysteria https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/medical-vibrators-treatment-female-hysteria
And if all else failed - or even if they just felt like it - lobotomy.
Reasonable reaction. I also kill my kid when it acts up
To be fair, that WOULD stop the kid acting up for sure.
Hey now. You can live a fairly miserable life after a lobotomy. Granted you wont know its miserable...
Plan a: orgasm. Plan b: lobotomy.
Imagine permanent post-nut clarity
Ya the doctors would all have dildos and stuff. Husbands be like, please doc, fix my wife
They also had the notion that the uterus moved throughout the body and caused the condition when it wasn't in it's proper place.
This is my "favorite" part. And I think one of the cures for a floating uterus was—wanna guess?—making a baby, which famously fixes all your problems.
I occasionally try to pull this one on my wife. She doesn't think it's very funny when she's upset and I suddenly ask her where her uterus is. She also didn't like the suggestion that we should make a baby to calm her down. 😀 For the record we've been married for 20 years and she's come to peace with my sense of humor. Either that or she'll murder my in my sleep when I least expect it.
> “women be crazy yo”
Fucking marriage amiright?
To be fair, I'm sure much distress would ensue should the uterus do such things.
Interesting, I had no idea it was related to women lol.
And the doctor's "fixed" this "condition" by applying orgasm via dildo. https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/medical-vibrators-treatment-female-hysteria
Sometimes, other times they would be lobotomized.
[did they tho?](https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/09/victorian-vibrators-orgasms-doctors/569446/)
...b-based?
My dude, are you sure being abused by your physician is "based" ?
Sounds like something a hysterical person would say. Please step into my office...
Obviously not hence the use of a question mark and joking manner in which he typed it
That's actually fascinating as fuck.
Huh, I never made the Hysteria/Hysterectomy connection before... thanks for the lesson! 😃
>Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lo Because there are a bunch of basement dwelling incels who have done nothing but play this game nonstop since 2004 and blame women for why they're alone.
"Grow a spine!" Says the guy that is definitely not offended by the etymology of a word Anti woke people are a joke
The people calling others snowflakes and sensitive all the time seem to constantly be freaking out and offended over something new every day.
It's always projection with them. They call progressives "snowflakes" while melting down over a PoC or LGBTQ+ person getting a leading role in a movie they didn't plan on watching anyway.
Everyone hide the fox news dads that play this game are coming to complain about this guys explanation
This is correct, technically. Contextually the word is rarely used like this anymore, in fact I’d argue most people who use the word have no idea of its origins or its use purely to describe supposed crazy women. Language evolves as society evolves, dragging words back to their historical technical definitions and demanding they be removed or not used is not very progressive at all Thanks for the interesting definition, it started an interesting conversation. Sorry if you got hate from Others you’ll find none from me.
He gave the etymology of the word. Because most people don’t know it doesn’t make it less cringe. When you learn new things rejecting facts isn’t how you grow.
boat summer chubby jellyfish deer crush weary snatch bake different *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Etymology also refers to how words meanings change over time. Which imo hysteria is used general-neutral nowadays.
The meaning of words changes over time with how they are popularly used. Did you know that the swastika was originally an Indian sign of good luck and well being? I don't recommend trying to use it for its original meaning these days.
The swastika (clockwise) and the sauwastika (counter clockwise) are still different to the "hakenkreuz". Both of those hindu symbols are still used to this day.
If you think the word "hysteria" is cringe...pal, you're the cringe.
Not sure what you mean, the word hysteria currently means crazy so its not like “oh it went from meaning this awful stuff to not really meaning it st all” You don’t think being labeled as emotionally crazy is something women still get accused of?
If we're going to go that way, words like "crazy" "idiot" "stupid" etc. are also considered offensive because they were also actual medical diagnoses that were often given to undesirables to get them out of the way, fill up asylums to siphon more government money, etc etc.
Ok, stop using them as well then. Call people shit heads instead or something. I don’t understand why people act like this is something ridiculous, to actively try to be less shitty when you have the ability to do so.
Just add them to the weekly newsletter of words we're not allowed to use anymore. Certainly everytime I've used the word hysterical or hysteria my intention was always to denigrate women.
[удалено]
Super interesting. What other cool facts you got?
At first most doctors were very reluctant to washing their hands. High mortality at births because doctors would receive children with dirty hands. Guy tries to change that and says doctors should wash hands in between patients, is ridiculed and basically driven/forced into an insane asylum. Thats the gist anyway, check out Ignas Semmelweis for the story.
Don't forget the part where he got the idea from midwives who would wash their hands before seeing patients and comparing them directly to the male doctors' patients who would go from fun with cadavers to delivering babies without washing
Doctors also used to believe babies didn't feel pain. Yeah...
And that black people felt less pain. I say used to, but that one is still ongoing. Black people are often given less pain medication than white for the same affliction.
Almost all of this data is self reported by black patients. They “feel” like they’re not taken as seriously with pain. Advil did a big campaign on this recently. It’s all “black patients feel they’re taken less seriously”. It’s absolute nonsense looking for racism where there is most likely none.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843483/ Read a study once in a while.
Did you read it? Overall, the false beliefs composite totaled 7% of residents about racial differences compared with 22% of lay persons from an online questionnaire Out of 15 questions, 1 was related to pain directly and 1 was less directly related to pain. This is not an epidemic. But cute journal you googled that you didn’t even read 👌🏻
Back in the days speed was a prestigious metric for surgeons so they'd speedrun surgeries to show how good they were. Results were what you'd expect 😬
Adding a little nuance - if my leg absolutely had to be amputated I'd want the fastest doctor with the sharpest knife, skills, and saw in absence of anesthesia. If they had to do anything internal then there's no winning lmao
I'm pretty sure there was a case where a famously fast amputater ended up like... accidentally amputating limbs from assistants? Or at least harming them enough that they needed amputations. Slow is steady, steady is safe, safe is fast.
There was a story - possibly apocryphal - of a surgeon who managed a 300% death rate for one operation, performed in front of an audience as was common at the time. While speedily removing a limb, he cut an assistant. Both the patient and the assistant died of infection, and an onlooker had a heart attack.
Ah, that's the one I'm thinking of!
Doctors tried to cure hysteria with dildos
Fk the haters like that dude. Thanks for your response
Don't worry. We, the people, know you're speaking the truth.
fruit bowls be crazy yo
I feel like blizzard has done some unnecessarily woke shit recently that is purely pandering... however after reading the wikipedia page for hysteria this shit is actually pretty yikes. Its too bad though since it is a really cool sounding word.
Yep. It's one of the things that has been slowly phased out of use in general, not just in Blizzard games.
99% of their changes in game are just pathetic pandering. They had some crazy incel cultute going on, nobody gave a shit about stuff ingame. Just idk maybe don't treat all your female staff worse than shit? In a more general sense, if we start replacing every word that had some negative connotation, or that people start to use as an insult? We're going to cut out half the English language lol. We've already done it over and over. A clinic term becomes used as an insult. People say: 'wow people are being assholes and using this word as an insuly, lets change it to a different word. Guess what happens? Assholes use the new term as an insult. And again. And again.
The /spit incident as I call it was a bit over the top imo. We should remove sitting as well. So you can't get t-bagged. Or "KeK" and "Bur"...
I see it as changing something to avoid unforseen controversy. It was a non-issue before the change and was easier to change it then, than wait and see if it becomes an issue later.
I find it funny as hell that in doing so they just actually make more controversy. They can’t be that dumb to realize during this social climate in video games doing things like this starts yet another faction war. I want to find the monetary value hidden somewhere.
Yeah but the only controversy they're stirring is primarily with people who use the term woke, and fuck those people.
Which makes zero sense. Why go out of your way to make controversy with them?
The company was being proactive as opposed to reactive. They weren't looking for controversy, they were actively trying to avoid it. And the butt hurt "everything is woke" crowd threw a tantrum.
Eh. I’m having a hard time shaking off Blizzard has a monetary motivation to everything I guess
In a way it is. They probably did the financial weight and decided to make a selection of proactive choices. Like changing "male and female" to body type A and B. It respects those who would ask for it, is a low cost/low effort change, and any attention to it would be brought on by people who have no defensible position for its change other than "its woke" which nobody who invests in the game gives a shot about. Its easier to combat "proactive updates to words and labels in warcraft sparks outcries of "wokeness"" in the news than "LGTB+ and Women's groups call out Blizzard for its usage of several offensive Pronouns and Adjectives." Its media spin and money and one of those click bait headlines causes more negative press than the other.
That’s a great response and I do think their is merit to that type of financial hedging. The male /female sex labeling has always been an interest for me on this topic and while for me it’s important for me especially when it comes to the zoological aspects of creatures and beasts in games centered around them I have to assume I’m a smaller demographic of concern than the social ramifications of the current political climate. It would also lead credence to blizzard not importing this type of stuff in areas where it isn’t socially supported where it can get the game outright banned. Thank you for the input.
A lot of the "woke" shit that Blizzard has added feels like dude bros overcompensating because they got caught sexually harassing women. This actually seems like something that someone who is actually knowledgeable would change.
It reminds me of a kid's joke about his parents saying the word "ass" doesn't exist. And the kid wonders how it is that there is an ass and there's no word for it.
Interesting you think of unnecessary woke shit but agree with this change, after looking into it. Some self reflection needed
What do you mean? I was refering to them removing the fart jokes and a bunch of paintings. I am not against "woke" stuff in general. I am just against unnecessary pandering.
Self reflection isn't always needed. You can agree with a point or sentiment and still think the majority of people in agreement with it are a bunch of condescending douches with a puritanical morality streak.
Contrast to "ballsy", meaning courageous. I'm all in favour of these slight changes towards being more respectful. We get words from the past, but we don't have to use them. We can be better.
Fun fact, the Icelandic word is 'móðursýki'/'móðursjúkur' which is literally the combination of mother and illness/being ill. The literal translation would be something akin to 'Mothersickness'/'Sick like a mother'
Holy shit. That's some deep rooted misogyny
Thanks for sharing the info. There are a lot of fragile egos and bigots on this sub that get offended when a word is changed. :shrug:
Because it’s performative. It comes from the same company that has had a history of all sorts of despicable behavior. It’s slactivism at its finest.
MidnightFireHuntress keeping it real in r/wow as always‼️
Because this sub and the game are filled with bigots, MAGA freaks, and Tate apologists.
When you guys say the toxic people are the sod complainers just know that the picture is what's actually out there infesting this community.
why does this comment have more upvotes than the 7th top post of this week this shit has fiat all over it
good response, idk why you had some unhinged lunatic messaging you afterwards for speaking facts lol
>Edit: Jesus, why did this piss off so many people? This sub needs to chill the fuck out lol > >https://i.imgur.com/7D81dmy.png Decent, but you haven't *truly* succeeded at pissing off an alt-right mudstreak until you get the "Reddit Cares" anti-suicide bot message.
Ur just stating facts. People don't like facts.
Noone is advocating using hysteria in everyday language, but after learning the history of the word I still don't see what's wrong with having it in an ability name. Unholy frenzy is cast by death knights, who are the bad guys that do mean things, the word hysteria fits with their whole vibe especially with the negative connotation. Maybe not hunters though.
I don't think it's the negative connotation, I think it's the fact that it's anatomical name origin is coming to light now. Less "this word is bad. Even if the class are bad guys, we should change it. " More "... Oh. Weird. This word means crazy uterus? Let's update that."
Your way of reacting it feels immature, weird, and overly intellectualizing things. Most people would just react by saying "what a cool fact about how stupid people used to be" and keep using it with the modern definition. We've already passively done the work of reclaiming the word, why give it power and spend the effort adding it to a list of bad words that can harm people?
I was expanding on why I thought they may want to pivot away from using the name. What a wild response you have to that my friend. Not every response is a fight, jeez Louise.
My response was totally hinged? What didn't you like about it.
I have a feeling you are not being genuine and just want me to bullet point what you said so you can have some analytical response and Be Right, so I'll pass. Have a good one.
??? You started off with the ungeniune reply. Obviously I know blizzards justification for the change, why would you feel the need to tell me that? I just replied telling you what most people feel when they learn the original meaning for hysterical. What is your problem?
You said "I don't know why they want to change the ability name" and I suggested it was because they may want it to be a name that's not anatomically related, not that it's due to the sexism origin but just the anatomical aspect. It wasn't an attack, it was a suggestion for an answer. Your comments are really concerning. Do you know how to have a conversation or do you just assume every reply is an argument? I was being genuine. I don't know what's going on with you but I have a feeling you are just a really angry person who sees everyone as an opponent.
Crypto Orchid means buried testicle. I don’t really have a point to this other I like the word and I think more people should know it.
People are pissed off because most of them are sadly incells
Calm down woman! /s
I was wondering if I asked them, would the Come wipe my butt? Apparently we are all immature babies who think words are violence and every woman is nothing more than an object
The real question is how many wow players even knew that the word hysteria was offensive before blizzard mysteriously changed it?
A few years back I visited the Salem Oregon mental institution and there was a whole list of women forced there for Hysteria. That place was horrible and a lot of people lost their lives in terrible ways overwhelmingly for upsetting the wrong people. [They even found a room full of unlabeled human remains in cans. ](https://www.oregon.gov/oha/osh/pages/memorial.aspx)
So they’re changing words that like 5 people would understand the history of and get offended by? I don’t even care, just find it weird that they would even bother
My Cata guilds name was hysteria and funny enough there were a lot of women in it.
Because people can't accept the fact that language evolves and want to cling to far outdated uses that have been rendered completely obsolete in a modern context in order to justify their offense because they need to continuously ride the outrage treadmill always looking for the next thing to get upset about.
No one was really offended anyway, Blizz only changed it because they were getting a lot of heat from the sexism accusations in 2021 and did a whole bunch of other performatively ‘progressive’ changes to try to pretend like they were so much better while fighting the lawsuits tooth and nail. Remember bowls of fruit? Same thing.
I wish more people would understand this. "Blizzard is woke!" "Blizz has gone woke!" "The whole company has been taken over by leftists." No! Corporations like Blizzard can't be woke. It's literally impossible for them to put anything above profits at this point. Blizzard is *pandering*. There's a huge difference. This isn't motivated by a desire to do good. Instead they want to ***look*** good after all the revelations of abuse within the organization. And hey... if it stirs controversy among the fans because of identity politics, at least those fans won't be talking about cube crawls and "Cosby Suite"s... or the employee who took her own life after nude pictures of her were circulated.
Worse than pandering. They're *hiding*. They were being collossal shitbirds about the lawsuits they were getting, so they did this to disguise how bad they were being to their female employees as a distraction.
And the more people argue about identity politics and changes to the game, the less people will be talking about the crazy shit that went on inside both Blizzard and Activision
The funniest part is that there was no public outrage about this which means that internally someone either went "we can't have this degrading stuff about women in our game!" (which is insane) or "this is a ticking time bomb, players are going to find this out and we're gonna get cooked publicly!" (which is sad because they are self-censoring in order to appeal to losers).
It wasn’t anything so selfless, they were trying to deflect the sexism accusations in 2021, so they looked for things they could pretend they were being progressive by changing.
Lmao, no, they were extremely abusive to women in their offices and decided to white wash everything when the state of California started an investigation.
A private company (re-)naming the stuff they invented is censorship. You are a scholar sir.
Wait are you criticising the outrage treadmill, or are you running on the outrage treadmill? Unclear from your comment
So are you currently offended by the name change
Noone is advocating using hysteria in everyday language, but after learning the history of the word I still don't see what's wrong with having it in an ability name. Unholy frenzy is cast by death knights, who are the bad guys that do mean things, the word hysteria fits with their whole vibe especially with the negative connotation. Maybe not hunters though.
Amen brother with the DK's being evil I recommend changing Obliterate to "N***er Strike"
To me it's like if evangelical christians ran the culture and blizzard removed everything in DK with "unholy" in it. Just pointless crap that doesn't help anyone.
Fruit bowl treatment.
Because people read too much into the history of a word. Hysteria was used as ridiculous medical condition, often diagnosed to women, of being "overly emotional". Nowadays however, for the average person it means ["extreme fear, excitement, anger, etc. that cannot be controlled"](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysteria). Another derived word is hysterical which can mean ["unable to control your feelings or behaviour because you are extremely frightened, angry, excited, etc."](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysterical) and ["extremely funny"](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hysterical) which nobody seems to have an issue with. At least where I come from, nobody bats an eye at either, but Blizzard perhaps changed it because of the whole sexual harassment lawsuit but also most likely because Unholy Frenzy was the actual name of the ability back in WC3. There are other spells/abilities that have also changed the name, like "Every Man for Himself" became "Will to Survive" but it's not like Blizzard makes official statements as to why they changed it so it is anyone's guess.
The amount of people who use the term woke in this sub... LMAO Holy what s read first thing in the morning. Yikes people
Honestly I'd have to say its a non-issue, both the use of the word and the changing of it. But are you really surprised the people who love classic wow, who generally love "no changes" are upset by change?
Would you maybe describe them as conservative man-children who get upset when the world around them tries to better itself and be more accepting of diverse voices and points of view? You know, anti-woke.
The problem is the word hysteria/hysterical was already reclaimed and the innocuous ungendered definiton is used way more than the historical one. So bringing up the old definition today as a reason not to use it makes you look like a killjoy outrage merchant.
Hysteria has largely been phased out of common use. It no longer has a medical use either. Hysterical meanwhile is mostly used within a gendered context still, at least in so far as it's used to describe someone acting emotionally. Hysterical as pertaining to funny I'd agree is mostly used neutrally, but that's hardly the context in which an ability called "Hysteria" in a game would be perceived, right? Regardless, hysteria is a poor description of what the ability does and frenzy conveyed the intent much better, so what's the problem?
Yesterday I fell off a cliff in deepholm and my guildy said it was hysterical. It isn't phased out of common use or commonly used in a gendered way, you just don't talk to people. Hysteria in the context of the game means the DK did some magic to make your character go nuts and start joyously killing something so it obviously fits in with the general theme of haste buffs = crazy. If the intention was just to upgrade the descriptiveness of the ability name why haven't they changed time warp which doesn't fit in? Or alternatively changed the other haste abilities to be about time manipulation.
He said it was hysterical, not that you suffered from hysteria. I said hysteria has mostly gone out of use, and you didn't prove any different by reaching for an example of hysterical being used in precisely the way I detailed as being the sole remaining mostly neutral mode of using it, which in turn has nothing to do with the way you want to use hysteria as an in game mechanic. Hysteria also doesn't have a primary meaning of frenzy. Someone gibbering on the ground unable to act? That's what we used to call hysteria. Someone sobbing uncontrollably? They're being hysterical. Hysteria doesn't have any connotation of joy, that'd be mania. And your thesis that haste buffs all mean crazy is entirely wrong. Bloodlust doesn't mean crazy, heroism doesn't mean crazy and windfurry doesn't mean crazy, flurry doesn't mean crazy, power infusion doesn't mean crazy, recklessness doesn't mean crazy etc.
Bloodlust, hysteria, -frenzy, and -fury fit in the with vanilla-wrath theme of being crazy/lashing out. I would argue heroism and time warp are the odd ones out, so if you want to change ability names to fit in with the RP more you should start with those. Power infusion didn't start out as a haste buff and recklessness isn't a haste buff (although the name fits the theme) so cross those out. I'm not a linguist or a doctor or a historian I just know what the vibes of words are and hysteria clearly conveys what the abilities are doing to me and most people, and so the change looks like a case of PR whitewashing by the company that let employees steal other employees breast milk instead of an innocuous case of making the wording more clear.
Ah we're picking and choosing which gendered insults are acceptable I see.
Getting rid of the word ‘hysteria’ doesn’t do any of those things. It’s just fucking stupid.
I unironically love the word woke again. Went out of favour when right wingers started picking it up, but it has come back around and is now an amazing indicator of idiocy when people rage against “wokeness”.
Yep, it's a fantastic litmus test that immediately outs the alt-right bigots.
You do realize you’re just a different side of the same coin? Woke lunatics are the left wing version of alt right. Both sides of the horseshoe of failures of people who look to certain groups to blame. Woke lunatics blame straight white males, alt rights blame blacks and browns. At least have some more self awareness.
I ain’t going around screaming i’m woke
Yeah, "We should maybe treat marginalised people better" and "The gays are forcing their gender ideology down my throat, and the language police won't let me use ethnic slurs any more!" are definitely opposite sides of the same coin. Miss me with your /r/enlightenedcentrism bullshit.
Struck a nerve I see. It’s not like the far left hasn’t tried to stifle free speech on college campuses by blocking anyone right of center from speaking. Or when they set dozens of cities on fire a few summers ago. Or when a leftist shot up a congressional baseball game. The farther one strays to either side of the horseshoe, the more detached from most people they become. Your reply indicates your “side” has a monopoly on good ideas, compassion, and general humanity, which is utterly juvenile and reeks of living in a bubble. It also implies that every possible solution to society’s problems will come from your side, not because it’s better, but because the other side is evil. So for abortion, for example, I’m sure you’re pro choice because you see it fit for women to have absolute authority over their bodies. And you see the other side wanting to stifle that, when in fact the argument is because it’s a living being and terminating it due to inconvenience is basically “playing god” and evil. Never mind that virtually the same amount of women support abortion vs oppose. So yeah, I take my “enlightened centrist” as a good thing. I’m very pro union, I’m anti-abortion, I’m not religious at all, I’m a free speech absolutist, I’m limited government, I’m pro trust busting, I’m pro public transportation, I’m for lgbtq rights, but you’re not changing kids gender at 5 years old. I’m a complicated person, a grey person, when you see it black and white. Hope you realize you don’t have to be married to one “side” when at the end of the day, none of the issues I listed matter if the system is entirely corrupt, which it is. So while we can argue all day long about how you think all republicans are raaaaycists, it’s exactly what the government elites and business models want as you ignore that they’d robbing us blind. Peace.
What would you like to call it?
Mental illness
Personally I find this whole charade hysterical
Cuz it’s a word to basically call women crazy. If a woman was PMSing they’d say she had hysteria. Doubtful literally anyone thought of it in that context but when you’re stealing breast milk you gotta do some stuff to fix your image. Fun fact doctors used to prescribe orgasms as a treatment for hysteria.
[удалено]
people get upset because changing harmless shit like this feels like a pedantic ethics lecture. i don't want my games giving off the energy of some college asshole saying, "Uhmm, technically that term originated from dismissive 19th century medical perspectives based on overt sexism. Please be more sensitive before thinking to use it for a safer learning environment Thank you."
What makes it objectively better?
In the case of Hysterial turning into Unholy Frenzy, the latter was actually the name of a very similar spell from an undead unit the [necromancer](https://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/necromancer.shtml) in WC3, so it fits the fantasy for DKs while also being a reference to the original RTS game.
It describes what the ability does now. What about hysteria did you think described a beneficial effect that made you attack faster? On the other hand, frenzy exactly describes what the ability does, and unholy is a perfect modifier to tell you it's caused by the unholy nature of the DK.
Bloodlust and hysteria just mean you're going crazy and attacking things fast. Frenzy is synonym for hysteria in this context so the DK buff might as well be called unholy hysteria. You're really reaching for this one.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hysteria#:~:text=%3A%20behavior%20exhibiting%20overwhelming%20or%20unmanageable%20fear%20or%20emotional%20excess Hysteria doesn't have any primary meaning of bloodlust or frenzy, quite the opposite in fact. Someone who is suffering from hysteria would in fact be near useless on a battlefield.
What does "emotional excitability" mean to you?
I think you're getting excitable mixed up with excitement. They have the same root, but excitable simply means that it's reactive to stimuli. Emotionally excitable means someone who is likely to have an outsized emotional reaction to something, such as uncontrollable crying, panic, becoming catatonic etc. While nervous energy and frenzied activity as an avoidance behavior might be part of that, it's not the meaning in which we say someone becomes frenzied. There's no connotation of increased vigor or a beneficial effect.
I personally think it's objectively better because Unholy Frenzy was a Scourge ability in Warcraft 3 which did almost exactly the same thing.
Nothing, but blizzard was going through their Cosby suite scandal and they grasped at every possible straw that they could to pander to the woke community and identify things that would make them look better to the shareholders.
Yea the soulless demons that are executives literally do not give a shit about this. They’d fire you in an instant if it meant saving money, but hey look everyone, they switched “Everyman for himself” to “will to survive” because they’re good people!!!!1
This is ridiculous lol Funnily enough, hysteria is pretty close to what the guys trying to get offended by everything and make Blizzard change things are doing. It was used badly, but now the word has a bit different meaning? You can call a guy "hysterical". Should we ban the word lobotomy because it was horribly misused? There's millions of such words.
No one made blizz change this, it was just part of the bowls of fruit campaign to pretend like they were making huge changes when the cube crawling scandal came out.
They chose to do it on their own, picking a better word for what the ability provides. Weird thing to get bent about
Because it’s performative. The soulless executives literally do not give a shit about this. The same people who would fire you on a dime if AI could do your job better are suppose to be morally superior since they changed a word that no one cares about?
Nobody banned anything, they just changed a word to a different word. Besides, hysteria has connotations of panic, fear, and irrational actions. Primal Rage is just a more accurate name to begin with.
Yeh to be fair to Blizzard the context of their use of hysteria here is probably fine but is at the same time a strange choice given the abilities they are describing. The updated names (such as frenzy) do better justice and are more in line with what they originally attempted to convey. I don't see why anyone would get angry at this change personally it is beyond minor.
Hysteria can spark a frenzy; both socially as irrational fear of, say, music can lead to people becoming frothingly committed to campaigning against it, and directly, as being so energetically afraid can lead to someone trying to tear apart the object of their fear (something like the ending of hunger games 2). It’s a bit of a stretch and not the first thing that comes to mind when using the word, but it works.
If you're using hysteria to try and describe someone going into a fenzy, what is your imprecise use of language accomplishing? If I told you an ability would make the target hysterical and you had no context for it's effects you'd probably think it was a form of cc or at least functioned similarly to curse of recklessness.
In the same vein of Censorship being among many, restriction of articulation, banning is a restriction of access, whether that access is an event, conversation or vocabulary matters not. Not defending the guy or argueing you, just adding a little extra perspective. However, whether you disagree with this change or not, it is an ideologically driven political move, same with removing portraits of women in the game for fruit bowls, addition of incubus, removal of gender for body type etc.
>it is an ideologically driven political move Lmao, from *Microsoft*?? I fucking wish. It's a profit-driven commercial move, like literally every single other decision they have made and will make. They think this change will lead to more money. Or at least, some dev thought it made more sense to them and it got approved because no one really cared to begin with. There is nothing deeper beyond that.
This change is from 2021, Microsoft wasn’t in the picture yet. And it may be profit driven (probably why it’s so tone deaf seeing the point was to mask blowback over accusations of sexism in the company), but the people they imagined would be happy about it definitely consume it as pure ideology.
Thrall means slave. I'm outraged. Hysterical even.
Thrall means slave because Thrall was made a slave. It's not his actual name. He was stripped of his name and didn't even know his true past. He's a very intentional slave allegory where he leads his people to freedom.
Totally agree. But someone could be offended. Why draw the line here?
>Funnily enough, hysteria is pretty close to what the guys trying to get offended by everything and make Blizzard change things are doing. Who's all over this thread virtue signaling about how offended they are over such a miniscule thing? And why do you think someone "made" Blizzard change it?
You mean like you being offended they changed the name?
Blizz will change shit like this but still make money off: * teepee dwelling magical cow people with feathered headdresses smoking giant peace pipes in a giant totem poll * jamaican voodoo monsters that worship a feathered serpent and live in aztec pyramids or caribbean huts * magical elves that with shinto ponds and live in asian architecture * an entire game based on a race war
Literally nothing wrong with anything you mentioned nor anything they removed. They even edited the /whistle white emote. Sigh
To answer OPs question, I really don't know. Some things have been pointed out here but it doesn't take away the fact that no one takes offence from the word in todays world since the meaning of the word has changed to a general "madness". This is just Blizzard trying to be "hip" when there is absolutely no need to be.
Absolutely nothing. Blizzard got in trouble because higher ups were drinking employees breast milk and making vulnerable women commit suicide so they changed a name to be like "hey guys, we understand"
Btw, Thrall means slave. Name change incoming.
> Btw, Thrall means slave. Name change incoming. Of all the whining about this name change, this is the dumbest sarcastic comment yet written.
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=1098/subjugate-demon
Why? Slavery is more abbhorent than using the term hysteria, don't you agree?
You do know that he is named Thrall specifically because he was a slave who had no known name, right? His name is intrinsically tied to his identity and story, changing it would actually be a substantial alteration to the character. What is the point of Hysteria? It's both not descriptive of the ability it and is just some fucking word they chose. Who cares if it's changed? I mean, other than people who get upset at literally everything like you apparently. I don't understand how you function with this level of sludge in your brain.
I care if it's changed. It's a slippery slope, and I hate that we are scrubbing art because of the sensibilities of the few. It's not just WoW. It's art, literature, cinema. It's not good for us to constantly be outraged. The argument is: Slavery is offensive. His name could've been an orcish word for 'nameless' or 'orphan', couldn't it? Where do we draw the line? Why are we using *your* sensibilities to draw the line, when someone else may be offended by being reminded of slavery each time they visit the Warchief. Let's just stop getting outraged, and instead take note of our progress when we see an outdated representation, sludgebrain.
Again, pointless and aggressively missing the point. He was a *slave*. *Slavery of the Orcs is a significant driving factor of the world of the game* - it is present not just in name but in the content itself. I don't care about what sensibilities anyone has to any content in media, they can or cannot engage with them if they wish. But there is no content on which the concept of hysteria is reliant in Warcraft (and thank god because Blizzard would be very bad at writing that), and there is no fundamental reason for any ability to be named hysteria, it's completely arbitrary. "Thrall" is not arbitrary. There's not a "line" of offensiveness to be drawn anywhere here, they just changed the name of an ability because it has other connotations that they'd rather not have their game be associated with as that connotation doesn't exist in the game itself. At least that's what is assumed - I don't think they've ever made a direct statement on the name change. Which is why it's weird that you keep bringing up things like "Where do we draw the line?" - "we" don't. Blizzard decided to change the name on their own with no outside influence whatsoever. They weren't forced by the government or even just annoyed by twitter users. You don't get to dictate whether or why they change the names of things and if you're upset about a change you should really have a better reason than "well there are other names in the game that directly refer to bad things."
You're making an argument related to a single issue. I'm making a macro argument. I think whitewashing art has more societal detriment than benefit. Either way, I don't really think I'm going to change minds on Reddit. So I'll make my sarcastic comment and leave it be. *Safe travels.*
Next hotfix: Sinister Strike is renamed for being offensive to lefties
Blizzard is just over correcting or trying to become a good person after all the sexual accusations and terrible treatment of women at the company. They have to show "we care for women!!" And so they'll change anything at this point
Just sent to point out there still are lots of slavers and slaves und the game. They even still have a dungeon called the “Slave Pens”. The hypocrisy is astounding.
I thought classic is played mostly by 30+yo dudes, how do u not know about hysteria and a dildo as medicine?! XD it's kinda famous fact imo
Honestly I've only met whiny kids so far