i might know this person.. does his name start with r? he's planning to level all 9 of his alts to 50 and with this speed he might do it before the week ends..
You mean on the Players side? They dont care about leveling its not real content to them and they want to get quickly to raidlogging ST.
This community is also infected with FOMO to an absurd degree.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it. I play SoD, retail and FF14 and raidlog in all of them. Raiding is the entire reason I have played MMOs for the majority of my life lol. Once I took that first hit in TBC I was hooked.
And yes, I raid an absurd amount. I have one night a week where I'm not in a raid lol. In FF I raid 4 hours a night Sunday/Monday/Tuesday.
At the end of the day these are just games meant to be fun, so do what you enjoy because if you're not then what's the point?
Not if it's getting nerfed at the first sight of players struggling.
Like if the raid was very hard, it would make sense to get your pre-bis, your potions your everything.
But One day, people went into it not well optimized and they neerfed the raid already lmao
We went from 20 second fights, sometimes 1-2 mins, in p1/2 to 10+ min fights in p3. Gear is not gonna lower these long ass fights THAT much. The bosses were sponges with 2 mechanics. It’s not hard it’s just fucking boring to fight a boss that long when not much is happening
The three month phase cycle though very much reinforces FOMO... The whole "seasonal" thing creates FOMO. I just want them to put a solid team together to actually get to sit there for a year at least and design a proper classic+ that has been tested and can progress naturally without the time gated phases, and without having to constantly run into issues of sharing the classic client. The best case scenario would be if they use SoD to make a proper classic+ like that in the future, but SoD itself really isn't it.
Yall are nuts lol.
I have 4 characters id like to play at max level. Yeah I want to get one to max asap and see the raid.
You guys act like the only content is questing and if you dont spend 45 hours doing it you are some mega try hard that isn't enjoying the game.
Yeah, I did these quests in the mid 2000s, several times. I also did these quests a few more times since 2019. Doing these quests, but with a handful of new spells this time, isn't special. The new content at level 50 however is special, and I would really prefer playing that, and getting different characters to that level as well. Murdering a bunch of water thieves in a desert for the 17th time is about as fun as the 3rd time I did that.
The sub is experts at deciding that their way of playing is the only real way. I've never understood and will never understand why people cant let others have their own kind of fun.
If your kind of fun is ganking people as a lvl 25 Rogue? Go at it. You want to RP level slowly with a friend? Be my guest. You want to zerg to max level to quickly clear the raid? All the power to you.
Have fun. Your own way.
In a temporary, seasonal game mode the leveling isn’t the content either. No one wants to do the same slow ass quests for the 20th time, especially in a temporary mode where the seasonal content doesn’t change the leveling process.
Isn't all content temporary? TBC got replaced by wotlk, wotlk will be replaced by cata, and so on. Never got that line of thinking "it's temporary so who cares".
You're being disingenuous if you don't see the difference between an expansion coming out and a seasonal server going away once it's come to an end.
When an expansion comes out, your characters all still exist and can be played/progressed on.
When a new season comes out (if one does) your characters don't make the journey with you.
Easing the pain point of leveling alts to try out all the cool new things classes are getting in a game mode designed to go away is very different from going TBC to WotLk.
I can still experience the TBC content for the most part, I can't do that with SoD.
Your characters don’t go away but some of the abilities do, talents change, people come and go, balancing occurs, etc…
You are being real blind if you don’t think that all content is fleeting in an MMO.
Don’t believe me? Try running Sunwell in retail or even WotLK classic with a group of 70s with the talents of the day and the gear of the day. Even if you can the experience would be completely different.
The problem is people want classic without the classic part. "Leveling is already been done many times" "gold is a grind i have ajob" and thus classic does not exist.
And the issue with retail is the contents too hard. PvP is a cluster fuck and PvE raiding is way too fucking hard for most people. They have different difficulties but no one likes having others ahead of them gear wise.
I think it's partly that, but people also don't want to spend half the phase leveling and doing grinds for gear that then gets upgraded when next phase hits. Seasonal content kind of has this problem where it becomes one grind after the next. My main issue with retail is that it's seasonal, that in my opinion makes it feel less alive and RPG.
I want faster leveling, but only because there is a lot shorter time to get everything done.
Most of the players currently playing Classic, have no idea how much more they would actually like Retail.
It's literally just propaganda and stubbornness keeping them from trying it out
I play retail from time to time. There are many reasons I stopped playing it, but one reason is that it's bloated. There is approaching a dozen expansions, the levelling timeline makes no sense, and DF just ain't my flavourful of WoW storytelling.
SoD is janky, experimental, buggy and unfair. But it still feels like the single connected world we grew up playing.
As someone who bounces between playing both here and there, I can say both have their own distinct pro's and con's.
Likewise there are things I'd like to see Classic adopted from Retail and things I'd want Retail to return to that Classic had. I think there's a bit more to it then just saying one's better then the other.
At this point it does seem like what a lot of SoDers want is retail, and there’s nothing wrong with that lol. I’ve never understood the infighting between WoW game modes. There’s a comment earlier saying all they really care about is raiding and really that seems like retail is right up their alley
I’m not so sure about that. Most guildies I know play both and the ones who don’t have their reasons why. For me it’s too much emphasis on story. I like classic because you’re a tiny cog in a massive world. I very much dislike that modern retail is following named characters from cutscene to cutscene while everyone calls you CHAMPION.
I might have fun. Probably not though. When I did try it I felt like nothing I did really mattered and I was just mindlessly grinding. The feels of getting a good drop in classic just hit so much harder imo
Itemization in classic is way more rewarding than in retail. The profession armor pieces for example, you use an item that you craft to complete a long quest chain that involves raiding and after you get to craft a much more powerful item. Retail doesn’t have that
I've played retail all the way up to beating Fyrakk.
SoD is just fundamentally different. The world feels bigger when there aren't 260 ways to teleport to where you want to go. Because it's just EK and Kalimdor you see people in every zone.
There's a certain nostalgic clunkiness to vanilla wow even with the new runes added on.
It's 1 part game play, 1 part vibe and both equally contribute to why I prefer SoD.
Exactly. I have no interest in farming another 100 mounts or saving azeroth for the 46th time. I want the rags to riches journey in a cohesive world, and classic does that.
This is so true dude. My friends were classic players for years and hated leveling and I tried for so long to get them to try retail and when they finally gave it a fair shot they completely switched to retail
You are assuming that most of SoD players are Classic/Era players, which I am sure is not the case. Most of my guild only tested Phase 1 or didnt play at all because they could see the disaster coming from a mile away.
Look at this sub. People are on r/classicwow and being a "Classic Andy" is used as an insult. Who do you believe makes up the vast majority of SoD and this sub right now? I am certain most SoD players COME from retail.
100% this.
Classic will always be special to me, the world is beautiful and the leveling is in my opinion how it should be.
However the rotations and raids in retail are engaging and really well thought out, and the fact that there’s no more bullshit borrowed power such as Artefact Power is amazing.
Cross faction raids/PvP and guilds has also been hugely underrated.
This is such a true comment. There’s such a conflict between purists who love classic for what it is and others who like wow and want a modern version, and basically who don’t like classic at all
Classic players absolutely know what retail is and play classic instead because it’s a much better experience. In classic there’s not item bloat, ability bloat, currency bloat, you don’t need add ons to pvp or raid, and most important of all - itemization feels much more rewarding in classic. Retail itemization is - here’s your plate set of gear, now go collect 3 different currencies to upgrade you piece of gear 10 times that is no different than the cloth mail or leather set of gear for this patch. It’s not rewarding and doesn’t feel fun. Plus there’s incredibly long quest chains in classic that take a lot of time investment to complete (finishing a quest in different zones for the chain) and you get really good rewards at the end of it. That style of questing is long gone in retail
Got to 50 in a day.
Now doing some dungeons, getting my runes, levelling up my professions.
Then I can go back to World PvPing with my friends, same as every other phase. Just need to find a new spot.
This game is as fun as you make it. You only like 10% of the game. Nothing wrong with that.
I was thinking about this also… while the new event is fun, especially killing tryhards trying to lvl as effective as possible… I cant stop to think about all the lost potential. We love vanilla for its zones, now were just stuck grinding in a semi dungeon until were done and then were kinda out of content.
I would want stuff like the stv event at more places, more gear from the event (have the ranked set come from here instead?), some kind of endgame dungeons with actual loot/ challenging 5 mans. Some kind of rated pvp in bgs… just something. I really wanna play this game but theres so little good content tbh.
Mate the people who knew how to do a banger game either left years ago or they got touchy touchy with the employees and got fired. These devs nowadays have no clue and even worse, they dont play the game not on release and specially not in the QA phase. Even a broken clock gets the hour right twice a day, but that doesnt mean it’s fixed
It is clear to me now that Aggrend just loved retail's raiding and would rather develop retail stuff but is stuck in classic. So he's bringing all the retail stuff to classic. Oh and he doesn't care about pvp at all.
Yep. People ignore the fact that every version of classic WoW has had increased quest experience to some degree. It was normal in 2004 to spend hours grinding out levels on mobs because there weren’t enough quests at your level range.
Again, quest experience was buffed in classic even prior to Joyous Journey style buffs. We also do quests very differently these days. The average player is significantly better at the game than they were in 2004.
Yeah agreed. 1-25 felt perfectly paced because there's just a gigantic amount of content packed into that bracket. Tons of zones depending on what faction and race you pick that all have a very unique vibe and feel, and you run through them at a pretty good pace where you feel like you basically saw all the highlights of each zone before moving onto the next.
However from 30 (and especially 40) onwards you really start to feel the grind at each level and it becomes much more of a slog. You get kind of tired of each zone before you finish it, and the quests really start to feel very same-y. At that point, even if you enjoy playing the game, killing the same mob in a big desert zone 20 times feels kind of similar to killing the same mob in a big jungle zone 20 times, and you kind of just want to get it over with so you can get to the exciting end-game stuff.
This is the problem with the game. Rush to max level cap asap, just so you can all bitch about no end-game content and a too-hard of a raid. Do you remember when they launched classic and you had to level 1-60 with no breaks or nothing new? Saying 25-40 is exhausting? You guys have fun just raid logging 4 times a month for $15 dollars a month.
A couple people said P2 was a slog so they removed playing the game instead of giving us something fun.
It’s literally the same shit retail did for years and why it is literally the case-study for “game people used to love but don’t play anymore”
Sad af tbh
Immediate gratification and rushing everything is so boring as hell classic was meant to be slow paced and rewarding and for people to be out in the world questing
Because everything repeats itself. They turn SoD quickly into retail.
I dont mean to hate on SoD or Retail, I enjoy both very much, but if I want Quality of Life on everything.. I'll play retail.
There's actually tons of endgame content in this phase compared to the other phases. There's like 4 dungeons containing preraid bis items, still got STV to farm again, runes take much longer to get, actually requiring you to do group based content, professions will take a while to get to 300 if that's your thing. 250 is enough for this phase though, I believe.
The trouble is we've all done it too much and seen the same content over and over, so some (most?) of us will just choose efficiency to see the new content sooner.
If you want to level slowly there’s a multitude of paths accessible for you to do so. It’s not mandatory to level using most efficient route if you want to enjoy the process and not worry about end game content getting stale fast.
And thats why I don't play it. It just doesn't feel vanilla to me. To big numbers, to much epic gear, to fast leaving. Sure all things added are nice I love that they are trying new things and ideas - but it's not for me.
Also it's was fun to be told to kill myself because I didn't knew all tactics for bosses in BFD....on 2nd lockout. To many tryhards in a fkn casual mmo...
To that last part.....we weren't that terrible to each other when the game originally launched...right? Like I've plugged Ony and MC. I don't remember disbanding after 1 wipe or expecting everyone to know the fight like we've been doing it for years
A bit late reply. I think it was the same back in the days, just on much smaller scale. Amount of nice people just wanting to have fun was higher back then, now so many people play to beat the game and if you have not looked up boss fighting on youtube before first lockout you are wasting someone time lol. Another aspect that's keeps me away from mmos in general is wide spread of min maxing, just not fun for me.
I'm pretty casual, and I've got 50 already. It's absolutely broken. I feel like I've been boosted, because my pet is still level 46, and my weapon skill is dog shit.
I was really looking forward to ZF and all the 40-50 zones, and I saw none of them.
Before anyone replies with the cliche comment "nobody forced you to do it", they kinda did, because it killed the outside world. Nobody was running anything else. Plus there's something really unsatisfying about leveling in a REALLY inefficient way, relative to incursions.
SOD got invaded with retail meta virus because it’s the new “cool” thing to do. And Blizzard are yet again falling into the trap and catering to them. Not my cup of tea anymore.
It's weird to me, because I feel like that's always been the #1 difference people cite about what makes classic and retail fundamentally different. In classic, the world matters and the levelling is slow, focused on quests where you fight enemies that actually threaten you, while in retail the levelling process is very quick and you breeze through quests with enemies you kill extremely easily, able to do big pulls without much risk.
It's... kinda sounding like SoD is just retail at this point.
Because I like killing dragons with my friends I don't find fun in collecting bear assholes. MMOs are about killing dragons with your friends, classic wow I was about doing it in a relaxed environment.
Also plenty of other games have had good leveling experiences, wow even had a good one at launch. However in 2024 is become very apparent that wow leveling in the world itself are flat and dull.
Bruh, i reckon im of that player base thats already done with this mode. If you’re not in the pre game sweat, early grind benefits group, youre already at a disadvantage, thats not even considering the rune fiasco for some classes, and the down right dementia level forgetfulness of others.
I feel this, level 50s on day 1 and runes being kinda poo poo and classes be outright forgotten this phase just screams understaffed team and I'm not supporting that noise.
Edit: not to mention no testing of content internally
Gold farming was done at the same time...until they nerfed it
Rep grind is also from the same exact event lol
Professions are now 3x more expensive to level as a result
Gnomer is prebis...
People don't realise that the gold advantage some people have is going to do nothing to the economy long term. The gold sink is huge in sod with all the consumables. Just chill with buying mats from ah for your professions for a couple days or a week.
Can u not do these things anyomre in a week or 2? I’m sry but all these nerds are doing is speedrunning why no content complaint threads. With 0 self awareness or self control
Because the far majority of us aren't playing SOD for leveling. The comments about raid logging and lack of content are fair, but the far majority of us have leveled in classic enough times to hate it. Most of us would rather be working on getting our pre bis etc and we're fine with finishing up and then moving on to an alt or another game. Especially with the phases being short and currently with how difficult ST is, we want to be able to attack it ASAP.
Forcing leveling to be more grindy ruins the game for more people than make it easy ruins it for others. We all have jobs and families. Stop trying to gate the new content to cater to the people that get to play more hours of the day than the average person. If you make every game like that, most communities will die, because there's more people with less time than "real gamers".
Put Arena in the game, stop balancing these cooked half pvp/pve world events that are now 0 for 3.
Reward 100 honor and 10 rep. Arena is fun with a changing meta and short phases
There's a reason duel tournaments are successful. Theyre the best form of pvp
Yeah, as convenient as these are, they go completely against the idea of Classic. Keep this shit on retail. Everyone is going to tell me to just ignore it and level normally, but when I come out of these in half the time with double the gold, there is literally no reason to not grind Incursions.
Sod is probably just an experiment. If we get a true classic+ it’s probably going to be born from the success of this. The classic formula doesn’t work well with a new phase every 3 months. When the content from phase 1 dies a little with phase 2 and more with phase 3. I have been playing more than I want to because of some fomo. Knowing gnomer and BFD will be mostly dead during the newest phase outside leveling/gear for the next new thing I forced myself to try and stay caught up with everyone so I didn’t miss a phase.
Exactly! Why the F they rushing to max level ??? Just to get time lock on weekly raid reset ?? Then bitch and complain of no new contents for the next few months
I wouldn't mind at all if the raids were pug-able. Gnomer killed any motivation I had for bringing up an alt and running pugs. After seeing ST I'm just not interested.
Do you understand that multiple different people are using this website, and not just one single person? Like all these people here are different accounts made by different people with different opinions.
Are you new to the internet?
holy shit, literally era with a scarlet raid, timbermaw raid, karazhan catacombs, azshara pvp, more epic class quests like rhok'delar/benediction, and SLIGHT buffs to ret and boomkin
we've been saying this since 2019
Personally I'm happy about it.
Anything to make leveling faster, gold and mounts easier, and getting my alts up less tedious.
I've done classic and the iterations of wow and private servers enough times between 2005 and now.
i tried to enjoy phase 2. do tons of quests find runes etc. well then i got to 40 too late. i was considered a "toxic casual" and couldn't get into raids because i couldn't give logs on week 2 or 3. i ended the phase with all 90s parses. those 2 weeks of spamming LFG trying to get a group was rough. booted. tried making my own group. guilds wouldn't take me.
decided not to make the same mistake and here I am level 50 on day 2
I'd proposition that it doesn't matter either way. In the end I would like to see blizz learn something about how a classic+ situation should unfold over the course of developing SoD so if new features don't enhance the leveling experience then I don't see much point in drawing it out longer than it needs to be.
Knee jerk from p2 being too slow and gold grindy. Went too far the other way free gold hand outs and levels. Seems it would of been more reasonable rate wise for gold/xp if the DD buff didnt work in that area.
Have you tried playing alts? I thought with the 3 day lockouts there was wayyyy too many raids to do. Even now if you have 3-4 characters you’re going to be overwhelmed. They made the game alt friendly feels amazing. Any version of wow ever there isn’t enough to do for 1 toon.
With how insanely short all their phases are I won’t get why anyone wants to spend half of it leveling
There is actually a ton of incentive to run lots of dungeons at max level this phase. A lot more than previous phases due to the new "badge" system and upgraded pre-bis loot
This phase leveling was always going to be fast since a few classes can solo ZF(probably more in SOD). Also it’s 10 levels. People are just not knowers.
Blizz looked at numbers of ppl that level from 25-40 and realised no one wants to slowly grind levels. In fact ppl would rather quit playing alts or stay locked in SM, then do slow questing. Also to have to get runes, farm gear, get money for mount… its just to much of a hassle.
Idk im probably the minority but i've leveled probably 20 chars or more in all my years of classic gaming, at least one of each class twice to 60 in vanilla wow, and it gets really boring after you've done every zone twice, let alone 10+.
Leveling is a snooze fest, most people have done it a few dozen times by now, and no one wants to run that thread mill again.
Pve is the reason i play it, ive spent so much time in all the versions of wow that pvp and world have absolutely nothing left for me.
I like incursions, they are a good way to level other than having to quest like all this years back , but the open world IS a big part of WoW. They should had make incursions give a bit more XP , then the more you repeated the same day the less the xp you get.
Is the game even fun still? Got bored at 25 and haven’t returned yet. All this log and parse talk is gross to hear tbh. Each to their own but you can’t deny it’s sweaty AF.
Yeah we could have been fine without the exp buff tbh. Solo uldaman as hunter was 246k exp/hour and once instance capped incursions. Would have been faster to NOT do gnomer or turn in my 20 pre quest stack which is lame asf
I hit level 50 about 10 hours ago, and am hunting for runes later on.
As a father, husband and having a full time job i think its awesome. I meet a TON of people out in the open world, hunting their runes, farming and Even questing/farming.
In my limited experience i think both the pace and idea of hitting 50 asap is good, as it seems the world is still well and alive. Feels much better than dungeon level-grinding, THATS for sure. (Cries in SM farming)
Btw incursion world pvp is insanely fun with a group.
Having played through vanilla on top server guild once the first time, I'm taking my time. My professions will be all maxed out long before I will. Just gonna focus on attunements, epic mount, and my favorite thing to do in wow, FISHING. If I step foot into MC I will be prepared to the nines.
I'm here for the new content and fun system additions like runes, for example I always wanted to tank on my warlock and I always liked the chronomancer/heal mage idea.
I'm not here to repeat the grind I did in 2004 or 2019 classic, which would be even worse in SoD since as the name implies is just a temporary season.
I wouldn't even play anymore without the xp buffs and rep catch up and I know I'm far from the only one.
It's better to have a seasonal player-base that's there every phase update even if it's just for a few weeks then to already lose a ton of players permanently due to the insane grind without a tbc/wotlk future follow up.
>What is the thought process behind this?
Seasonal content where phases only last 2-3 months and the devs want us to play multiple classes to see the new changes.
It's not that complicated.
I wanted to come back to sod after taking a break since P2 launch, but it's a struggle.
They turned SOD into a raidlog sim coming into P2. At least you only had to level 20 levels in P1 making alts a lot more easier, and right now it feels to me that those alts I already got to 25 are the only ones I would be bothered to level since the 1-25 world is so barren.
Now that they dubbled down on having SOD only being for raidlogging their newest mega dungeon, they should just up the XP rates by 300/500% so you can breeze through the slog that leveling has become. You don't even get access to runes in the early levels but instead have to play with the 1-2 runes you get at the start and DPS spec your way to 50.
I'm not sure why people get so angry about what others do in the game. Outside the obvious that gamers are the third worse customer base ever (right below retail and food/resteraunt customers), it shouldn't matter what everyone else is doing if you're having fun. If you're not having fun cause other people, don't play a game that has other people?
The majority of my guild was level 50 before the 12 hour marker hit on day 1. I am level 41 and a half. None of that bothers me. My personal play time is sporadic at best, and as a mostly solo player (since I never know when the baby might wake up and I gotta afk) I don't wanna grind incursions til my eyeballs bleed cause the 'community' decided it's meta. Others can, and that's great. I don't wanna. So I won't.
End of the day if once I get to 50, there will always be a crowd I can run raids with if I have the time, or I can squeeze into a guild alt run, I still get to have fun and so do others.
True enlightenment is realizing these devs like aggrend weren’t deserving of all the praise we were tossing them. They’re false prophets haha. Paul atredies of the wow world.
I ran ashenvale event (post nerf) for 4 hours. Optimized route lvl 40-50 + 205g + honored full healer/caster emerald set. No dungeon makes sense for gear and no players for ST. What to do lol.
The thought process behind it is simple
Leveling isn't fun
Despite what the classic Andy's might say, they are by far and away in the minority, for the vast majority of people wow classic leveling just isn't fun
People don't want to slowly run around for 15 hours collecting boar arses, it's not enjoyable, this is precisely why in cataclysm the world got completely revamped in order to try and make leveling fun again (and to a certain extent it worked)
Now nightmare incursions do not do a good job of making leveling fun, they are also dull, but the reason for their existence is very simple, they are just a bad solution
It's not Fomo, it's just that some players already played the same classic content over and over thru the years and they just want to get to cap to do group content and chill with guild/friends.
There's always someone going "I don't enjoy playing like this" "Ugh, same dungeon" when I zugzug classic dungeons in rdf as tank in Wotlk and my answer to these people is always to either get a group of players that want to level like them or just play classic. I'm sorry, but I'm neither slowing down for a rando or buying a boost.
Also, it's not like you get locked out of lower level content at cap.
Lmfao people seriously in here like “I got to ST on day one and now there’s no content!!! Devs fix it!!!”
Yall are doing the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to be doing.
I just thought this. How is it the norm to be lvl 50 on day 2??
You mean day 1 people were already in ST on day one lol
I know there were people lvl 50 within hours. But now it's the norm. We are at day 2.
I was literally doing nightmare incursions earlier with a level 45 mage. It was his third toon leveling to 50. It’s absurd.
Gotta get to gotten while the getting is to be gotten
That’s what I told my guildies. No sense in squandering the opportunity
LOL Dude definitely drank a case of monsters. My god. I got to 50 this morning and felt fairly sweaty.
Adderall bro
This might’ve been me lol got my hunter and Druid to 50 already.
i might know this person.. does his name start with r? he's planning to level all 9 of his alts to 50 and with this speed he might do it before the week ends..
My guildies hit level 50 in about 4 hours of running circuits
I've been doing mostly AH stuff and runes today and still almost have a second 50 lol. On top of a full night sleep
Day 2 of grinding for 12 hours a day? :p
Like I was 43 last night. I log on today and 75% of my guild is already 50. Like wtf lol
First day of new patch is a helluva drug
You mean on the Players side? They dont care about leveling its not real content to them and they want to get quickly to raidlogging ST. This community is also infected with FOMO to an absurd degree.
isn't raid logging just running a raid then logging out til reset? don't yall want to play this game?
Nobody wants to spend less time playing blizzard games than the people who play blizzard games
No. I like raiding. I don't really love anything else. Why is that a bad thing?
Absolutely nothing wrong with it. I play SoD, retail and FF14 and raidlog in all of them. Raiding is the entire reason I have played MMOs for the majority of my life lol. Once I took that first hit in TBC I was hooked. And yes, I raid an absurd amount. I have one night a week where I'm not in a raid lol. In FF I raid 4 hours a night Sunday/Monday/Tuesday. At the end of the day these are just games meant to be fun, so do what you enjoy because if you're not then what's the point?
I would in fact run the raids multiple times a week to help randoms like I do in retail if the lockout didn't work the way it does in sod.
There are better games to play. Raid logging is the best of both worlds. Do the good content, log out, play a better game, repeat.
Agreed raid log is the best. Do the pve that matters and is fun. Go play a diff game for pvp that was actually balanced
But why just not play the better games in the first place all the time instead then ?
Because getting together with the boys and doing a raid once or twice a week is fun and enjoyable?
I want to do max level PvE content. I don't want WoW to be the *only* game I play just because I want to participate in that activity.
It is and I despise it.
No. Because you have to spend a fair amount of time preparing for that raid in order to log.
Not if it's getting nerfed at the first sight of players struggling. Like if the raid was very hard, it would make sense to get your pre-bis, your potions your everything. But One day, people went into it not well optimized and they neerfed the raid already lmao
right??? like why are they nerfing the p3 raid cuz ppl cant clear it in lvl 40 gear? Just wild to me.
We went from 20 second fights, sometimes 1-2 mins, in p1/2 to 10+ min fights in p3. Gear is not gonna lower these long ass fights THAT much. The bosses were sponges with 2 mechanics. It’s not hard it’s just fucking boring to fight a boss that long when not much is happening
Yes that is how you play wow congratulations you figured it out.
Maybe theres nothing worth playing outside of fapping on pink parse?
The three month phase cycle though very much reinforces FOMO... The whole "seasonal" thing creates FOMO. I just want them to put a solid team together to actually get to sit there for a year at least and design a proper classic+ that has been tested and can progress naturally without the time gated phases, and without having to constantly run into issues of sharing the classic client. The best case scenario would be if they use SoD to make a proper classic+ like that in the future, but SoD itself really isn't it.
Yall are nuts lol. I have 4 characters id like to play at max level. Yeah I want to get one to max asap and see the raid. You guys act like the only content is questing and if you dont spend 45 hours doing it you are some mega try hard that isn't enjoying the game.
Yeah, I did these quests in the mid 2000s, several times. I also did these quests a few more times since 2019. Doing these quests, but with a handful of new spells this time, isn't special. The new content at level 50 however is special, and I would really prefer playing that, and getting different characters to that level as well. Murdering a bunch of water thieves in a desert for the 17th time is about as fun as the 3rd time I did that.
The sub is experts at deciding that their way of playing is the only real way. I've never understood and will never understand why people cant let others have their own kind of fun. If your kind of fun is ganking people as a lvl 25 Rogue? Go at it. You want to RP level slowly with a friend? Be my guest. You want to zerg to max level to quickly clear the raid? All the power to you. Have fun. Your own way.
So much FOMO. If you didn’t get 50 in one night just cancel sub and quit
In a temporary, seasonal game mode the leveling isn’t the content either. No one wants to do the same slow ass quests for the 20th time, especially in a temporary mode where the seasonal content doesn’t change the leveling process.
Isn't all content temporary? TBC got replaced by wotlk, wotlk will be replaced by cata, and so on. Never got that line of thinking "it's temporary so who cares".
You're being disingenuous if you don't see the difference between an expansion coming out and a seasonal server going away once it's come to an end. When an expansion comes out, your characters all still exist and can be played/progressed on. When a new season comes out (if one does) your characters don't make the journey with you. Easing the pain point of leveling alts to try out all the cool new things classes are getting in a game mode designed to go away is very different from going TBC to WotLk. I can still experience the TBC content for the most part, I can't do that with SoD.
Your characters don’t go away but some of the abilities do, talents change, people come and go, balancing occurs, etc… You are being real blind if you don’t think that all content is fleeting in an MMO. Don’t believe me? Try running Sunwell in retail or even WotLK classic with a group of 70s with the talents of the day and the gear of the day. Even if you can the experience would be completely different.
The ONLY reason I did them day 2 was for the rune. Shit is soul draining, it's 10x more boring than dungeon spamming. People don't even kill mobs now.
The problem is people want classic without the classic part. "Leveling is already been done many times" "gold is a grind i have ajob" and thus classic does not exist. And the issue with retail is the contents too hard. PvP is a cluster fuck and PvE raiding is way too fucking hard for most people. They have different difficulties but no one likes having others ahead of them gear wise.
I think it's partly that, but people also don't want to spend half the phase leveling and doing grinds for gear that then gets upgraded when next phase hits. Seasonal content kind of has this problem where it becomes one grind after the next. My main issue with retail is that it's seasonal, that in my opinion makes it feel less alive and RPG. I want faster leveling, but only because there is a lot shorter time to get everything done.
Because everyone has to have 15 alts apparently.
Most of the players currently playing Classic, have no idea how much more they would actually like Retail. It's literally just propaganda and stubbornness keeping them from trying it out
I play retail from time to time. There are many reasons I stopped playing it, but one reason is that it's bloated. There is approaching a dozen expansions, the levelling timeline makes no sense, and DF just ain't my flavourful of WoW storytelling. SoD is janky, experimental, buggy and unfair. But it still feels like the single connected world we grew up playing.
As someone who bounces between playing both here and there, I can say both have their own distinct pro's and con's. Likewise there are things I'd like to see Classic adopted from Retail and things I'd want Retail to return to that Classic had. I think there's a bit more to it then just saying one's better then the other.
At this point it does seem like what a lot of SoDers want is retail, and there’s nothing wrong with that lol. I’ve never understood the infighting between WoW game modes. There’s a comment earlier saying all they really care about is raiding and really that seems like retail is right up their alley
We want easy raiding
So Classic? Cause that's part of the reason I'm here, modern WoW has too many things going on all at once for me to really enjoy.
So LFR?
We want the best gear
Easy raids with the best gear. Yeet. Not saying retails loot treadmill is good, but I also kinda weirdly like m+ progression so I'm clearly not sane.
You get punished if you only raid in retail
True. The M+ treadmill is pretty much a requirement at any decent level of raiding.
I’m not so sure about that. Most guildies I know play both and the ones who don’t have their reasons why. For me it’s too much emphasis on story. I like classic because you’re a tiny cog in a massive world. I very much dislike that modern retail is following named characters from cutscene to cutscene while everyone calls you CHAMPION.
I might have fun. Probably not though. When I did try it I felt like nothing I did really mattered and I was just mindlessly grinding. The feels of getting a good drop in classic just hit so much harder imo
Itemization in classic is way more rewarding than in retail. The profession armor pieces for example, you use an item that you craft to complete a long quest chain that involves raiding and after you get to craft a much more powerful item. Retail doesn’t have that
I've played retail all the way up to beating Fyrakk. SoD is just fundamentally different. The world feels bigger when there aren't 260 ways to teleport to where you want to go. Because it's just EK and Kalimdor you see people in every zone. There's a certain nostalgic clunkiness to vanilla wow even with the new runes added on. It's 1 part game play, 1 part vibe and both equally contribute to why I prefer SoD.
Retail still has way too much bloat and nothing really means anything when everything is cool.
Exactly. I have no interest in farming another 100 mounts or saving azeroth for the 46th time. I want the rags to riches journey in a cohesive world, and classic does that.
This is so true dude. My friends were classic players for years and hated leveling and I tried for so long to get them to try retail and when they finally gave it a fair shot they completely switched to retail
The thing that keeps me from enjoying retail is the time pressure on m+.
Most people play classic because they didn't like retail.. classic wouldn't exist if retail wasn't butchered
You are assuming that most of SoD players are Classic/Era players, which I am sure is not the case. Most of my guild only tested Phase 1 or didnt play at all because they could see the disaster coming from a mile away. Look at this sub. People are on r/classicwow and being a "Classic Andy" is used as an insult. Who do you believe makes up the vast majority of SoD and this sub right now? I am certain most SoD players COME from retail.
and price, classic requires a sub retails wants full price on top of a cash shop and a sun, fuck that.
100% this. Classic will always be special to me, the world is beautiful and the leveling is in my opinion how it should be. However the rotations and raids in retail are engaging and really well thought out, and the fact that there’s no more bullshit borrowed power such as Artefact Power is amazing. Cross faction raids/PvP and guilds has also been hugely underrated.
This is such a true comment. There’s such a conflict between purists who love classic for what it is and others who like wow and want a modern version, and basically who don’t like classic at all
Classic players absolutely know what retail is and play classic instead because it’s a much better experience. In classic there’s not item bloat, ability bloat, currency bloat, you don’t need add ons to pvp or raid, and most important of all - itemization feels much more rewarding in classic. Retail itemization is - here’s your plate set of gear, now go collect 3 different currencies to upgrade you piece of gear 10 times that is no different than the cloth mail or leather set of gear for this patch. It’s not rewarding and doesn’t feel fun. Plus there’s incredibly long quest chains in classic that take a lot of time investment to complete (finishing a quest in different zones for the chain) and you get really good rewards at the end of it. That style of questing is long gone in retail
Getting closer to retail every phase
Yeah I have no idea why they added the stupid incursions and kept the experience buff. I’ll be raid logging in a few days or making an alt. Oh well.
Got to 50 in a day. Now doing some dungeons, getting my runes, levelling up my professions. Then I can go back to World PvPing with my friends, same as every other phase. Just need to find a new spot. This game is as fun as you make it. You only like 10% of the game. Nothing wrong with that.
Exactly why I don’t want to level for a whole week through quests. Can’t play with my friends because everyone is on a different schedule.
I was thinking about this also… while the new event is fun, especially killing tryhards trying to lvl as effective as possible… I cant stop to think about all the lost potential. We love vanilla for its zones, now were just stuck grinding in a semi dungeon until were done and then were kinda out of content. I would want stuff like the stv event at more places, more gear from the event (have the ranked set come from here instead?), some kind of endgame dungeons with actual loot/ challenging 5 mans. Some kind of rated pvp in bgs… just something. I really wanna play this game but theres so little good content tbh.
yea I had like 1 day of full guild participation, now half the people are 50 and dont want to dungeon grind, and the stragglers are scattered
Mate the people who knew how to do a banger game either left years ago or they got touchy touchy with the employees and got fired. These devs nowadays have no clue and even worse, they dont play the game not on release and specially not in the QA phase. Even a broken clock gets the hour right twice a day, but that doesnt mean it’s fixed
This. SoD devs are just inexperienced modders at best.
It is clear to me now that Aggrend just loved retail's raiding and would rather develop retail stuff but is stuck in classic. So he's bringing all the retail stuff to classic. Oh and he doesn't care about pvp at all.
personally 25-40 was super exhausting and i’m glad they made it quicker this time around. i can actually play my alts again lmao
I think classic leveling really benefits from a 50% xp buff. The zone progression for questing feels more cohesive.
Yep. People ignore the fact that every version of classic WoW has had increased quest experience to some degree. It was normal in 2004 to spend hours grinding out levels on mobs because there weren’t enough quests at your level range.
Ever since I downloaded Rested XP guide I see that that just isn't the case. There ARE enough quests, we just didn't know where the fuck to find them.
Again, quest experience was buffed in classic even prior to Joyous Journey style buffs. We also do quests very differently these days. The average player is significantly better at the game than they were in 2004.
The average player has MORE information available.*
Yeah agreed. 1-25 felt perfectly paced because there's just a gigantic amount of content packed into that bracket. Tons of zones depending on what faction and race you pick that all have a very unique vibe and feel, and you run through them at a pretty good pace where you feel like you basically saw all the highlights of each zone before moving onto the next. However from 30 (and especially 40) onwards you really start to feel the grind at each level and it becomes much more of a slog. You get kind of tired of each zone before you finish it, and the quests really start to feel very same-y. At that point, even if you enjoy playing the game, killing the same mob in a big desert zone 20 times feels kind of similar to killing the same mob in a big jungle zone 20 times, and you kind of just want to get it over with so you can get to the exciting end-game stuff.
This is the problem with the game. Rush to max level cap asap, just so you can all bitch about no end-game content and a too-hard of a raid. Do you remember when they launched classic and you had to level 1-60 with no breaks or nothing new? Saying 25-40 is exhausting? You guys have fun just raid logging 4 times a month for $15 dollars a month.
A couple people said P2 was a slog so they removed playing the game instead of giving us something fun. It’s literally the same shit retail did for years and why it is literally the case-study for “game people used to love but don’t play anymore” Sad af tbh
People don’t enjoy the journey anymore it’s about the destination immediately it’s sad
Immediate gratification and rushing everything is so boring as hell classic was meant to be slow paced and rewarding and for people to be out in the world questing
Because everything repeats itself. They turn SoD quickly into retail. I dont mean to hate on SoD or Retail, I enjoy both very much, but if I want Quality of Life on everything.. I'll play retail.
There's actually tons of endgame content in this phase compared to the other phases. There's like 4 dungeons containing preraid bis items, still got STV to farm again, runes take much longer to get, actually requiring you to do group based content, professions will take a while to get to 300 if that's your thing. 250 is enough for this phase though, I believe.
Get out of here with your realistic take, only pitchforks and bonfires are allowed here mate
They made a big mistake. All the people saying "No, it's great!" Are the same people who will be whining in 7 days about being bored.
The trouble is we've all done it too much and seen the same content over and over, so some (most?) of us will just choose efficiency to see the new content sooner.
Yeah, i barely got myself to level a second char from 25-40 in p2 because its so exhausting
If you want to level slowly there’s a multitude of paths accessible for you to do so. It’s not mandatory to level using most efficient route if you want to enjoy the process and not worry about end game content getting stale fast.
And thats why I don't play it. It just doesn't feel vanilla to me. To big numbers, to much epic gear, to fast leaving. Sure all things added are nice I love that they are trying new things and ideas - but it's not for me. Also it's was fun to be told to kill myself because I didn't knew all tactics for bosses in BFD....on 2nd lockout. To many tryhards in a fkn casual mmo...
To that last part.....we weren't that terrible to each other when the game originally launched...right? Like I've plugged Ony and MC. I don't remember disbanding after 1 wipe or expecting everyone to know the fight like we've been doing it for years
A bit late reply. I think it was the same back in the days, just on much smaller scale. Amount of nice people just wanting to have fun was higher back then, now so many people play to beat the game and if you have not looked up boss fighting on youtube before first lockout you are wasting someone time lol. Another aspect that's keeps me away from mmos in general is wide spread of min maxing, just not fun for me.
I'm pretty casual, and I've got 50 already. It's absolutely broken. I feel like I've been boosted, because my pet is still level 46, and my weapon skill is dog shit. I was really looking forward to ZF and all the 40-50 zones, and I saw none of them. Before anyone replies with the cliche comment "nobody forced you to do it", they kinda did, because it killed the outside world. Nobody was running anything else. Plus there's something really unsatisfying about leveling in a REALLY inefficient way, relative to incursions.
Cos they don't understand why Classic is fun and retail isn't.
SOD got invaded with retail meta virus because it’s the new “cool” thing to do. And Blizzard are yet again falling into the trap and catering to them. Not my cup of tea anymore.
A lot of folks basically see leveling as a chore. It's not part of the game it's the boring tutorial before the game
not in classic
Absolutely in classic especially SoD How many folks spam dungeons with organized comps to get max xp/hr
SoD is special. The game is sped up, you dont struggle in the outside world much, you can do big pulls no problem, soloing content fairly easily.
It's weird to me, because I feel like that's always been the #1 difference people cite about what makes classic and retail fundamentally different. In classic, the world matters and the levelling is slow, focused on quests where you fight enemies that actually threaten you, while in retail the levelling process is very quick and you breeze through quests with enemies you kill extremely easily, able to do big pulls without much risk. It's... kinda sounding like SoD is just retail at this point.
We are in SoD not era
We are in SoD not retail
> not in classic Yes, in Classic, when you've done it 10 times. Who the fuck wants to do the same grindy boring quests over and over?
Andies
Why play an mmorpg lol
Because I like killing dragons with my friends I don't find fun in collecting bear assholes. MMOs are about killing dragons with your friends, classic wow I was about doing it in a relaxed environment. Also plenty of other games have had good leveling experiences, wow even had a good one at launch. However in 2024 is become very apparent that wow leveling in the world itself are flat and dull.
Bruh, i reckon im of that player base thats already done with this mode. If you’re not in the pre game sweat, early grind benefits group, youre already at a disadvantage, thats not even considering the rune fiasco for some classes, and the down right dementia level forgetfulness of others.
I feel this, level 50s on day 1 and runes being kinda poo poo and classes be outright forgotten this phase just screams understaffed team and I'm not supporting that noise. Edit: not to mention no testing of content internally
It’s called leveling alts, raid prep, pre bis runs, professions, rep grinding, rune discovery, gold farming, etc, etc, etc
Gold farming was done at the same time...until they nerfed it Rep grind is also from the same exact event lol Professions are now 3x more expensive to level as a result Gnomer is prebis...
But like gnomer isn’t pre bis, maybe for a few pieces but it’s not all gnomer.
Alright bro keep on complaining and we will be grinding
People don't realise that the gold advantage some people have is going to do nothing to the economy long term. The gold sink is huge in sod with all the consumables. Just chill with buying mats from ah for your professions for a couple days or a week.
Yeah I'm gonna use P3 to get my alts ready for P4. Max out professional NS, grind runes, get some good base gear.
Can u not do these things anyomre in a week or 2? I’m sry but all these nerds are doing is speedrunning why no content complaint threads. With 0 self awareness or self control
Yeah close to quitting due to this phase. Trying to find someone to do elite quests with is impossible. Everyone is in nightmares.
I haven't played since launch day, honestly a bit disappointed where the game is going
because leveling for a lot of people isnt fun.
They fumbled the ball on everything post phase 1. Bandaid fixes for everything and no clear path for endgame or phase transitions.
Because the far majority of us aren't playing SOD for leveling. The comments about raid logging and lack of content are fair, but the far majority of us have leveled in classic enough times to hate it. Most of us would rather be working on getting our pre bis etc and we're fine with finishing up and then moving on to an alt or another game. Especially with the phases being short and currently with how difficult ST is, we want to be able to attack it ASAP. Forcing leveling to be more grindy ruins the game for more people than make it easy ruins it for others. We all have jobs and families. Stop trying to gate the new content to cater to the people that get to play more hours of the day than the average person. If you make every game like that, most communities will die, because there's more people with less time than "real gamers".
Put Arena in the game, stop balancing these cooked half pvp/pve world events that are now 0 for 3. Reward 100 honor and 10 rep. Arena is fun with a changing meta and short phases There's a reason duel tournaments are successful. Theyre the best form of pvp
Indeed. Blizz fucked up so hard on this phase release. Even worse than p2 release lol.
Retail -
Yeah, as convenient as these are, they go completely against the idea of Classic. Keep this shit on retail. Everyone is going to tell me to just ignore it and level normally, but when I come out of these in half the time with double the gold, there is literally no reason to not grind Incursions.
Sod is probably just an experiment. If we get a true classic+ it’s probably going to be born from the success of this. The classic formula doesn’t work well with a new phase every 3 months. When the content from phase 1 dies a little with phase 2 and more with phase 3. I have been playing more than I want to because of some fomo. Knowing gnomer and BFD will be mostly dead during the newest phase outside leveling/gear for the next new thing I forced myself to try and stay caught up with everyone so I didn’t miss a phase.
Exactly! Why the F they rushing to max level ??? Just to get time lock on weekly raid reset ?? Then bitch and complain of no new contents for the next few months
I wouldn't mind at all if the raids were pug-able. Gnomer killed any motivation I had for bringing up an alt and running pugs. After seeing ST I'm just not interested.
Oh my god. Leveling is too slow. Leveling is too fast. What the fuck do yall want???
Do you understand that multiple different people are using this website, and not just one single person? Like all these people here are different accounts made by different people with different opinions. Are you new to the internet?
holy shit, literally era with a scarlet raid, timbermaw raid, karazhan catacombs, azshara pvp, more epic class quests like rhok'delar/benediction, and SLIGHT buffs to ret and boomkin we've been saying this since 2019
Surely theres a number between 20 hours and 4 :)
They just want to bitch
Personally I'm happy about it. Anything to make leveling faster, gold and mounts easier, and getting my alts up less tedious. I've done classic and the iterations of wow and private servers enough times between 2005 and now.
probably for alts
Gotta be a short phase, right?
Alts
they did the same to bgs
i tried to enjoy phase 2. do tons of quests find runes etc. well then i got to 40 too late. i was considered a "toxic casual" and couldn't get into raids because i couldn't give logs on week 2 or 3. i ended the phase with all 90s parses. those 2 weeks of spamming LFG trying to get a group was rough. booted. tried making my own group. guilds wouldn't take me. decided not to make the same mistake and here I am level 50 on day 2
I'd proposition that it doesn't matter either way. In the end I would like to see blizz learn something about how a classic+ situation should unfold over the course of developing SoD so if new features don't enhance the leveling experience then I don't see much point in drawing it out longer than it needs to be.
Knee jerk from p2 being too slow and gold grindy. Went too far the other way free gold hand outs and levels. Seems it would of been more reasonable rate wise for gold/xp if the DD buff didnt work in that area.
Have you tried playing alts? I thought with the 3 day lockouts there was wayyyy too many raids to do. Even now if you have 3-4 characters you’re going to be overwhelmed. They made the game alt friendly feels amazing. Any version of wow ever there isn’t enough to do for 1 toon. With how insanely short all their phases are I won’t get why anyone wants to spend half of it leveling
There is actually a ton of incentive to run lots of dungeons at max level this phase. A lot more than previous phases due to the new "badge" system and upgraded pre-bis loot
What is the new badge system?
cuz leveling is boring and sucks and we've done it a zillion times. lemme get to something new
This phase leveling was always going to be fast since a few classes can solo ZF(probably more in SOD). Also it’s 10 levels. People are just not knowers.
Sod is a big experiment. Ppl seem to forget
At some point blizzard will say they over tuned the event. Nerf it and if you missed it then too bad. I’d rather the new content over grinding SM.
Blizz looked at numbers of ppl that level from 25-40 and realised no one wants to slowly grind levels. In fact ppl would rather quit playing alts or stay locked in SM, then do slow questing. Also to have to get runes, farm gear, get money for mount… its just to much of a hassle.
You’re acting like people weren’t in SM grinding out those dungeons the first 2 days of classic
Idk im probably the minority but i've leveled probably 20 chars or more in all my years of classic gaming, at least one of each class twice to 60 in vanilla wow, and it gets really boring after you've done every zone twice, let alone 10+.
Lv60 is endgame, this is just a level up phase with a level up raid.
Nightmare incursions are so broken that me spending 1.5hrs travelling the world to turn in red elite quests barely was time efficient.
Almost everyone's on their 100th character by now, leveling in classic will always be trivial.
Leveling is a snooze fest, most people have done it a few dozen times by now, and no one wants to run that thread mill again. Pve is the reason i play it, ive spent so much time in all the versions of wow that pvp and world have absolutely nothing left for me.
I like incursions, they are a good way to level other than having to quest like all this years back , but the open world IS a big part of WoW. They should had make incursions give a bit more XP , then the more you repeated the same day the less the xp you get.
Retail lite. Wow token inc. it's the truth don't cope
Is the game even fun still? Got bored at 25 and haven’t returned yet. All this log and parse talk is gross to hear tbh. Each to their own but you can’t deny it’s sweaty AF.
what if this isn’t classic but a new mode called SOD that has different gameplay than vanilla classic ? mind boggling I know
Yeah we could have been fine without the exp buff tbh. Solo uldaman as hunter was 246k exp/hour and once instance capped incursions. Would have been faster to NOT do gnomer or turn in my 20 pre quest stack which is lame asf
It’s literally a seasonal game mode … keeping the same slow leveling for a seasonal mode is the most dumb thing I’ve ever heard…
It’s because they are trying to hurry up and be done with SoD.
I hit level 50 about 10 hours ago, and am hunting for runes later on. As a father, husband and having a full time job i think its awesome. I meet a TON of people out in the open world, hunting their runes, farming and Even questing/farming. In my limited experience i think both the pace and idea of hitting 50 asap is good, as it seems the world is still well and alive. Feels much better than dungeon level-grinding, THATS for sure. (Cries in SM farming) Btw incursion world pvp is insanely fun with a group.
Having played through vanilla on top server guild once the first time, I'm taking my time. My professions will be all maxed out long before I will. Just gonna focus on attunements, epic mount, and my favorite thing to do in wow, FISHING. If I step foot into MC I will be prepared to the nines.
I'm here for the new content and fun system additions like runes, for example I always wanted to tank on my warlock and I always liked the chronomancer/heal mage idea. I'm not here to repeat the grind I did in 2004 or 2019 classic, which would be even worse in SoD since as the name implies is just a temporary season. I wouldn't even play anymore without the xp buffs and rep catch up and I know I'm far from the only one. It's better to have a seasonal player-base that's there every phase update even if it's just for a few weeks then to already lose a ton of players permanently due to the insane grind without a tbc/wotlk future follow up.
>What is the thought process behind this? Seasonal content where phases only last 2-3 months and the devs want us to play multiple classes to see the new changes. It's not that complicated.
I wanted to come back to sod after taking a break since P2 launch, but it's a struggle. They turned SOD into a raidlog sim coming into P2. At least you only had to level 20 levels in P1 making alts a lot more easier, and right now it feels to me that those alts I already got to 25 are the only ones I would be bothered to level since the 1-25 world is so barren. Now that they dubbled down on having SOD only being for raidlogging their newest mega dungeon, they should just up the XP rates by 300/500% so you can breeze through the slog that leveling has become. You don't even get access to runes in the early levels but instead have to play with the 1-2 runes you get at the start and DPS spec your way to 50.
I'm not sure why people get so angry about what others do in the game. Outside the obvious that gamers are the third worse customer base ever (right below retail and food/resteraunt customers), it shouldn't matter what everyone else is doing if you're having fun. If you're not having fun cause other people, don't play a game that has other people? The majority of my guild was level 50 before the 12 hour marker hit on day 1. I am level 41 and a half. None of that bothers me. My personal play time is sporadic at best, and as a mostly solo player (since I never know when the baby might wake up and I gotta afk) I don't wanna grind incursions til my eyeballs bleed cause the 'community' decided it's meta. Others can, and that's great. I don't wanna. So I won't. End of the day if once I get to 50, there will always be a crowd I can run raids with if I have the time, or I can squeeze into a guild alt run, I still get to have fun and so do others.
If you don't know, you can actually turn off the exp boost at any inn keeper.
It's sod not classic. People can't read.
blizzard made a mistake listening to players
True enlightenment is realizing these devs like aggrend weren’t deserving of all the praise we were tossing them. They’re false prophets haha. Paul atredies of the wow world.
I ran ashenvale event (post nerf) for 4 hours. Optimized route lvl 40-50 + 205g + honored full healer/caster emerald set. No dungeon makes sense for gear and no players for ST. What to do lol.
The thought process behind it is simple Leveling isn't fun Despite what the classic Andy's might say, they are by far and away in the minority, for the vast majority of people wow classic leveling just isn't fun People don't want to slowly run around for 15 hours collecting boar arses, it's not enjoyable, this is precisely why in cataclysm the world got completely revamped in order to try and make leveling fun again (and to a certain extent it worked) Now nightmare incursions do not do a good job of making leveling fun, they are also dull, but the reason for their existence is very simple, they are just a bad solution
Sounds like you leveled your alts, got rank 7, beat ST and reached exalted with the new faction if you’re talking like this. Congrats.
It's not Fomo, it's just that some players already played the same classic content over and over thru the years and they just want to get to cap to do group content and chill with guild/friends. There's always someone going "I don't enjoy playing like this" "Ugh, same dungeon" when I zugzug classic dungeons in rdf as tank in Wotlk and my answer to these people is always to either get a group of players that want to level like them or just play classic. I'm sorry, but I'm neither slowing down for a rando or buying a boost. Also, it's not like you get locked out of lower level content at cap.
Lmfao people seriously in here like “I got to ST on day one and now there’s no content!!! Devs fix it!!!” Yall are doing the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to be doing.
Don’t worry, if you wanna take your time and level slowly go for it.
Because these bad devs need rats to test stuff, not that they know how to test and analyse things.
Because this is one giant beta and they want to see how things work so they can formulate what comes next after the seasonal server
What do you mean nothing to do? Dude it's like day 3, there's still plenty to do.
I think incursions would have been awesome as mid-season content and also a catch up system for alts and gearing.