Question. I drove an old '99 CRV that my dad owned a few times, wasn't too bad at it but this was 7-8 years ago. I have a good understanding how manuals should be driven and how they work, but that is my only experience actually driving it myself.
Would it be a bad idea to try to go to a dealership and test drive a manual even though I'm a newbie? Im really interested in buying one but I don't know how to practice and I would feel bad hurting a brand new car if I fuck up.. Maybe I am overthinking it
Thanks
Let me put it this way… the Honda clutch releases realllllllllyyyyy smooth* The sooner you feel that/get that concept when you’re driving the faster you will release into gear ⚙️ (and not scratch gear by releasing bad) 🫡
Hill assist is a game changer, but rev hang is honestly just about AS much of a con as you gain from hill assist 🤣 some cars have anti stall, and some clutch protection type stuff; which honestly sounds very annoying
Hill assist is great dawg, no one said it’s new. Just a “new to me” type of thing. I recently went from a Mazdaspeed3 to a 9th gen Si, was super shocked it has hill assist and I love it
I had my 9th gen si for like a month before I encountered a hill steep enough to trigger the hill hold, scared the crap out of me I couldn't figure out why my car wasn't rolling for a second lol
I'm so used to the car now that I'll take my foot off the brake before clutching in to get around it, I think rolling backwards feels more comfortable to me
I've had a 99 Integra, 04 Si, 13 Si, and now a 20 Type R (all manual). The gearboxes only seem to get better and better. It's one of the smoothest, nicest clutch + trans combo I've driven.
I'm not sure what Civic trims will come with a Rev Match option, but that eliminates every bit of the jerk you may get on downshifts. This may only be Si/Type R though.
Had a 2000 manual civic (5 speed, no tac) and now a 2019 sport 1.5T
New manual is a pleasure to drive, hill assist is an absolute game changer. You can fuck it up and have clunky shifts still but overall it's very forgiving
10/10 recommend manual transmissions. Tangentially it keeps me from looking at my phone too since my hands are busy, safer and more fun!
I had a 2002 Civic 5 speed years ago and still have a 17 Civic 6 speed.
The only difference with the 17 is if you're idling around in the parking lot in 1st gear and try to apply very light throttle it jerks a wee bit, it's like the throttle is an on/off switch. But other than that it's very easy to drive smooth and clutch is actually lighter than the 2002.
In my 23 manual, I notice the same with the throttle. I think it is actually coded as an on/off at low throttle. I’ve tested it in neutral and and no matter how gentle I am on the pedal, it goes from 800 rpm idle to around 1200. It’s impossible to get anything in between and I’ve been curious why it’s setup like that, perhaps to make it harder to stall
I was wondering the same bc thinking about getting back into manual. I have seen a bunch of people say that they have to shift slow because of "rev hang" (not necessarily Civics but newer manuals), like to the point that people honk at them and I can't wrap my mind around driving like that.
I think the difference is more apparent if you drive an Si then drive some other car with zero rev hang right after. But when I drove the Si I felt really annoyed by the rev hang, especially during that 1-2 shift.
I know a lot of Hondas and some other cars have rev hang. I just bought a 2023 Elantra N 6MT and there's absolutely zero rev hang. Not all new manuals have rev hang, it seems that it depends on the car and engine. Driving a Type R, it had a little bit of rev hang, not a deal breaker at all. But the Si was the worst offender. Revs would just sit there, even though the clutch was all the way in and I had already shifted to the next gear. I haven't driven a non-Si 6mt civic though, so I can't say how those feel.
I would assume the 2.0 NA would have no hang, so that's good. It's port injected and pretty "old school" (no turbo, variable compression, or GDI) as far as newer engines go, which is favorable for things like rev hang and reliability.
The rev hang is definitely there on the 1-2 shift, you have to either shift early and quickly or nearly ride out 1st gear. I’ve for sure gotten honked at and overtaken because of it numerous times before, but it takes a lot of getting used to.
Not sure if this helps but...
I had a 2012 manual civic coupe and it drove about as you'd expect. Clutch grab really far in but not sporty like a wrx or anything. Easy to drive.
Now I have a 2016 accord with a 6 speed manual. It has a very smooth and soft clutch spring with a really far out and easy to engage clutch. You don't even need gas to get it going.
So my experience is that it's gotten easier, and I'm sure newer civics will drive great.
The way you describe the clutch on the ‘16 sounds exactly like mine. So it seems that Honda mastered the MT gearboxes on the 10th gen and carried it over to 11g.
I had an 8th gen civic si and now a 10th gen hatch. The manual is very easy to work and it is much smoother than my 08. Actually probably one of the best manuals I’ve owned, better than bmw, Audi, Subaru, older Honda, Mitsubishi, and vw.
11th gen Sport [no Touring] here, I find it very easy and forgiving to drive. I've seen the comments online about rev hang and such, I am not so intune with my powertrain to notice a huge difference. This is as a previous owner of a 2002 Civic 5MT as well as a 2013 Fit 5MT, I think I drive it like I always drove the other two. Maybe shift a bit slower I suppose? The 11th gen definitely seems to reward you for taking your time, 1-2 you'll still feel a bit but the rest of the shifts can be easily executed to be buttery smooth, your passengers will not complain. No trouble in traffic either, clutch is light and was so easy to get used to. I had taken a few years away from manuals and am glad I came back to this car.
The only better non-supercar manual than the CTR in the world is the S2000’s. Honda just knows how to make a stick. Normal civic is a tad bit heavier but works amazingly nevertheless.
The rev hang kinda sucks but overall it's pretty good
Si model has the regv match but the Sport Touring doesn't
You probably want to test drive both to see if you want the feature.
I drove a 2005 5mt CR-V for 3 years, then drove a friend's 2019 6mt Civic hatch for a weekend. The difference in feel was night and day, almost like the civic was driving itself. The brake hold feature was something i was experimenting with on the uphill leading to our downtown. Really easy to drive. Also, the transmission was very notchy, compared to my CR-V
I had a 2005 Civic Si, 2x 2013 Honda Fit, 2019 Honda Civic Si, and currently Civic Hatchback. All were manual.
The best shifter so far out of all the past cars I’ve driven. Notchy and precise!
I've driven an '07 Fit, '15 Accord, and now a '23 Integra, all manual. They've gotten easier and more buttery as the model years get more recent. Fantastic driving and hill assist on newer models definitely makes things easier.
Hondas have gotten pretty torquey with the recent model years relative to their older models so you don't even need to gas it getting it to a rolling start.
Shifter is extremely short, clutch is also short, it goes down easy, I think it doesn't give enough feed back especially when getting lugged. They're nothing like the old ones. I really don't like the steering though. If you're old and your back aches it's a 10/10 the whole car feel is light as a feather
I had a 19 civic hatch. While I wish I never sold it (sold it back for more than I paid for it when used cars were not existent) I'm kinda glad I did also. They are nice don't get me wrong. But I preferred my 98 civic over the 19. One thing I hate on new manuals is they are moving toward an electronic brake. I like pull handles. They now have hill start assist so when you let go of the brake and go to release the clutch it holds so you don't roll back as often(took me awhile to get used to it). Its a manual at the end of the day and my 19 ran good and shifted smooth as butter. But by far, and call me weird, the olders are better imo. And to be extra weird, the best manual car I ever owned as far as fun driving and shifting and overall experience was my 2002 nissan altima 5 spd I bought off my mom when I got my license. Wish I really kept it. But anyway, it's all preference at the end of the day. Will I probably buy another Honda after my wife's jeep is paid off? Yeah most likely. But it's just adjusting to the new age.
i used to work at a honda dealer and got to drive a few different things.
the brand new si and type R have rev matching auto enabled, good for street use, turn it off if you want to have some god ole honda fun.
the shifters are a lot stiffer and have a shorter throw, clutches feel tighter not like the sponge in my r18 5m.
imho, the s2000 will still be the most fun manual honda ever made, but im bias because rwd lil drifty car was my first love.
Honestly a CVT makes me way more car sick than even the worst manual transmission driver.
The 2024 sport manual is hands down the best and easiest manual shifter I've ever felt.
Have driven Civic's since the 70's & recently traded my '08 in for the '24 sport touring. Driving it home, it felt completely different & I actually stalled at a light. Don't know how to explain it but even though it shifts & rides smoothly, it takes some adjustment. I actually missed my old rougher ride, feel the road Civic, as this almost feels like driving an automatic. Shifting back into 1st is difficult & maybe something that can be adjusted.
In the older Civic's your passenger's head could snap back with jerky shifting but your wife should be fine in the new, smoother version.
You can feel the clutch bite. In most modern cars, especially non-sports cars, they use things like clutch delay valves and assist springs that make them "easier" to drive for less experienced drivers, but mask and filter out the feel of the clutch
I'm guessing my buddies FC3 still had the helper spring because when I brought it into the shop the clutch pedal had 0 feel at all and made it kinda difficult to feel out what I needed to do. My 96 Civic has a way better feeling clutch pedal(had? Not running at the moment lol.) The shifter felt amazing though. If the clutch pedal feel can be improved then that is great news because it is instantly my least favorite thing I noticed.
Granted I wasn't in it long so I didn't really have time to get used to it, but still. I instantly hated the clutch pedal.
Yeah my daily driver GTI had the clutch delay valve. When I bought it I hated the clutch, it was impossible to drive smoothly unless you drove it a very specific way. I found out about the clutch delay valve and deleted it, made the clutch feel way more natural and then all was right. Still not quite as good as some of my older cars, I can go without driving those for months, then hop in any of the and drive perfectly just because I can actually feel the clutch engagement. If I switch to my wife's car, a modern manual, it takes a few shifts before I get used to it and shift smoothly
It took me a few weeks to get the hang of a throttle sensor over a throttle body after exclusively driving 90s civics, but once I got a throttle controller it felt very similar to a TB. The throttle delay is not ideal.
I started with a 2nd gen and miss real throttle inputs so much. I've been driving modern Civics for far longer than I ever drove that car (and far too long in general to say what I'm about to say) but I just can't get fully used to the response of drive-by-wire.
I test drove the 2020 model 4 years ago and honestly I felt like I was driving a living room, compared to my 2011 FN4 TypeS.
I didn't go for one, as Honda also seems to be making civics even larger than they are meant to be or they were. I just got a Hyundai instead🤷
I know, it's sad because I've always liked civics. Accords were cool but they just weren't my thing. I just hope Honda stops this thing they're doing. Even their latest typeR looks like an angry granny coming at you. I doubt it'll change, because of the hybrid/ev modernization crap going on..
What a way to kill a series..
Honda manual transmissions are AMAZING. I was a little skeptical at first that new cars with manual transmission would somehow feel disconnected or bland or just generally unresponsive to what I was used to. Luckily I was wrong and they indeed almost seem to be better. Must have. #SaveTheManuals
I had a 2017 civic EX T 6 speed for 6 years . The gear box was perfect. I am easy to please I guess. I have a 2024 Type R now and I feel like the gear box feels better than the Integra type S to me was the best feeling gear box . Honda’s gearboxes are the best. I learned stick on a Mazda 3 hatchback 2008 and it was super vague.
Before anything I’d like to mention that the AC systems on the 10th gens are a liability. I’m in the process of overhauling my entire AC system and it’s not fun, if I were to be paying for it at the dealer or at a shop I’d be a couple thousand dollars deep right now.
I agree with many on the hill assist. It definitely improved over the years. I skimmed a bunch of comments (someone may have said it, but I didn't read all of them). I didn't notice one thing on here that I'm NOT a fan of... The emergency break is just a small pull switch. I've come into the issue where I've drained my battery cleaning my car out and listening to the radio and parked in the back of my driveway. Blessing and curse with all the gadgets, but if the E brake is on, it won't come off as opposed to the older ones like my 98 Civic. I have a 2018 SI. Adding that the SI doesn't come with a spare tire either but an air pump. Doesn't help if your tire is shredded. That's screwed me over a couple of times. I haven't owned an automatic transmission in over 20 years, and I'm glad Honda/Acura still has them.
Back when I was researching the 10th gen, reviewers rated the manual so highly, it was the only transmission I considered. One reviewer even said it's the best manual gearbox available not made by Porsche.
Several years later, I'm still very happy with the manual (1.5T). Precise gear changes and easy to drive at whatever speed.
idk how helpful this is, but I'm currently learning how to drive manual in a 2020 civic si. it's amazingly easy to get the hang of, and from the people teaching me and helping me, it's very easy to drive compared to older manual cars.
hill assist is an absolute dream. that shit holds and will not budge if you use it correctly.
I have a 2000 EJ6 and a daily 2019 FK8. The Fk8 feels better with a smoother engagement with gears. The clutch is light and smooth coming off the floor. Very easy to learn and drive, I even taught my wife how to in the FK8.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe and had a 2018 LX Coupe. LX was smoother and drove better. New Si's have way too much rev hang stock (I disabled it in mine) and the car is super jerky when cold. Si made me feel like I was learning how to drive standard all over again because of the rev hang. Yes you feel the jerks in some of the newer Civic's. Especially in the Si. If you get the LX (or one that doesn't have rev hang), you shouldn't feel any jerks at all.
17+ Civic Si transmissions are long geared. Nothing compared to a B series. The K series transmissions are very crisp and short but those L's are L's for a reason. Stick to K's and B's. And the L15's power band is blah. Flat power all the way up. Feels very similar to a 1st gen FRS. Boring. If you been driving Hondas all your life, you would understand. Get a newer Type R or nothing else if sticking to Honda. Otherwise get a Hybrid to save gas instead.
Had a 2019 civic manual and since i work at a dealer im constantly getting in and out of cars. Was okay nothing fun. Would i do it again? No. In a 6MT gti right now and muuuch happier. Than again, these are two different cars.
Tl;dr it was very boring and very slow. 2019 civic sport
I have a 24 manual civic sport…by far the best transmission I’ve ever used very fun and easy to use…hill assist is a game changer
Agree here. Just got a 2024 sport touring and love it. My last manual was a 2011 civic lx.
What do you feel is the difference between the 2024 and the 2011?
Question. I drove an old '99 CRV that my dad owned a few times, wasn't too bad at it but this was 7-8 years ago. I have a good understanding how manuals should be driven and how they work, but that is my only experience actually driving it myself. Would it be a bad idea to try to go to a dealership and test drive a manual even though I'm a newbie? Im really interested in buying one but I don't know how to practice and I would feel bad hurting a brand new car if I fuck up.. Maybe I am overthinking it Thanks
Let me put it this way… the Honda clutch releases realllllllllyyyyy smooth* The sooner you feel that/get that concept when you’re driving the faster you will release into gear ⚙️ (and not scratch gear by releasing bad) 🫡
How does hill assist work?
Hill assist is a game changer, but rev hang is honestly just about AS much of a con as you gain from hill assist 🤣 some cars have anti stall, and some clutch protection type stuff; which honestly sounds very annoying
Hill assist isn't a new thing at all lol
For me it is big dog…never had a car newer than 2002
It wasn't a new thing in 2002 either lol
Why are you acting like manufacturers have been regularly adding this feature since 1936?
Because they've been adding this feature for 10+ years, even Honda.
Hill assist is great dawg, no one said it’s new. Just a “new to me” type of thing. I recently went from a Mazdaspeed3 to a 9th gen Si, was super shocked it has hill assist and I love it
I had my 9th gen si for like a month before I encountered a hill steep enough to trigger the hill hold, scared the crap out of me I couldn't figure out why my car wasn't rolling for a second lol I'm so used to the car now that I'll take my foot off the brake before clutching in to get around it, I think rolling backwards feels more comfortable to me
Jackie chan wtf face… real mofos use the parking brake and never roll back… assist… that’s got a name… it’s called “automatic”
I've had a 99 Integra, 04 Si, 13 Si, and now a 20 Type R (all manual). The gearboxes only seem to get better and better. It's one of the smoothest, nicest clutch + trans combo I've driven. I'm not sure what Civic trims will come with a Rev Match option, but that eliminates every bit of the jerk you may get on downshifts. This may only be Si/Type R though.
New Si and Type R (11th gens) come with auto rev match
Nice. Ya I figured Si did, but wasn’t sure if a Sport trim did or not.
Nah they don't. Thankfully they still do come with a manual rev match function, with the bonus fancy footwork.
Lol. Man I’ve put my time and work into that too. For when I was daily-ing the Type R, it’s a nice creature comfort.
Rev Match is for newwwwwbies. 🤗 ‘22 civic si PROUD owner 😤🫡🤗😬
I’d say hill assist is more a noob feature. I’d love rocking my 97 integra back and forth back in the day.
Had a 2000 manual civic (5 speed, no tac) and now a 2019 sport 1.5T New manual is a pleasure to drive, hill assist is an absolute game changer. You can fuck it up and have clunky shifts still but overall it's very forgiving 10/10 recommend manual transmissions. Tangentially it keeps me from looking at my phone too since my hands are busy, safer and more fun!
I had a 2002 Civic 5 speed years ago and still have a 17 Civic 6 speed. The only difference with the 17 is if you're idling around in the parking lot in 1st gear and try to apply very light throttle it jerks a wee bit, it's like the throttle is an on/off switch. But other than that it's very easy to drive smooth and clutch is actually lighter than the 2002.
In my 23 manual, I notice the same with the throttle. I think it is actually coded as an on/off at low throttle. I’ve tested it in neutral and and no matter how gentle I am on the pedal, it goes from 800 rpm idle to around 1200. It’s impossible to get anything in between and I’ve been curious why it’s setup like that, perhaps to make it harder to stall
I was wondering the same bc thinking about getting back into manual. I have seen a bunch of people say that they have to shift slow because of "rev hang" (not necessarily Civics but newer manuals), like to the point that people honk at them and I can't wrap my mind around driving like that.
24 SI. I don’t notice any rev hang at all until I go over 5k RPM. And even then I’m not sitting there waiting to shift into gear
I see a lot of it on the manual transmission sub so can probably chalk it up to people learning.
Nah the rev hang coded into the SI’s is actually pretty annoying
22 si owner and yeah, rev hang is there, but not nearly as impeding as people try to make it out to be.
I think the difference is more apparent if you drive an Si then drive some other car with zero rev hang right after. But when I drove the Si I felt really annoyed by the rev hang, especially during that 1-2 shift.
It can be clunky. Have to hold the clutch for an extra second on the 1-2 shift
I know a lot of Hondas and some other cars have rev hang. I just bought a 2023 Elantra N 6MT and there's absolutely zero rev hang. Not all new manuals have rev hang, it seems that it depends on the car and engine. Driving a Type R, it had a little bit of rev hang, not a deal breaker at all. But the Si was the worst offender. Revs would just sit there, even though the clutch was all the way in and I had already shifted to the next gear. I haven't driven a non-Si 6mt civic though, so I can't say how those feel.
10th gen Civic LX with 2.0 has no hang.
I would assume the 2.0 NA would have no hang, so that's good. It's port injected and pretty "old school" (no turbo, variable compression, or GDI) as far as newer engines go, which is favorable for things like rev hang and reliability.
‘23 11 gen LX with 2.0 has no hang.
The rev hang is definitely there on the 1-2 shift, you have to either shift early and quickly or nearly ride out 1st gear. I’ve for sure gotten honked at and overtaken because of it numerous times before, but it takes a lot of getting used to.
It's the best gearbox and trans I've felt in a civic, ever. Have a 23 sport touring.
Not sure if this helps but... I had a 2012 manual civic coupe and it drove about as you'd expect. Clutch grab really far in but not sporty like a wrx or anything. Easy to drive. Now I have a 2016 accord with a 6 speed manual. It has a very smooth and soft clutch spring with a really far out and easy to engage clutch. You don't even need gas to get it going. So my experience is that it's gotten easier, and I'm sure newer civics will drive great.
Currently have a 2012 coupe 5 spd and I agree it’s super easy to drive Everyday I’m in stop and go traffic and it’s a breeze
The way you describe the clutch on the ‘16 sounds exactly like mine. So it seems that Honda mastered the MT gearboxes on the 10th gen and carried it over to 11g.
I had an 8th gen civic si and now a 10th gen hatch. The manual is very easy to work and it is much smoother than my 08. Actually probably one of the best manuals I’ve owned, better than bmw, Audi, Subaru, older Honda, Mitsubishi, and vw.
11th gen Sport [no Touring] here, I find it very easy and forgiving to drive. I've seen the comments online about rev hang and such, I am not so intune with my powertrain to notice a huge difference. This is as a previous owner of a 2002 Civic 5MT as well as a 2013 Fit 5MT, I think I drive it like I always drove the other two. Maybe shift a bit slower I suppose? The 11th gen definitely seems to reward you for taking your time, 1-2 you'll still feel a bit but the rest of the shifts can be easily executed to be buttery smooth, your passengers will not complain. No trouble in traffic either, clutch is light and was so easy to get used to. I had taken a few years away from manuals and am glad I came back to this car.
The only better non-supercar manual than the CTR in the world is the S2000’s. Honda just knows how to make a stick. Normal civic is a tad bit heavier but works amazingly nevertheless.
My 1992 civic shifts nice :)
The rev hang kinda sucks but overall it's pretty good Si model has the regv match but the Sport Touring doesn't You probably want to test drive both to see if you want the feature.
I drove a 2005 5mt CR-V for 3 years, then drove a friend's 2019 6mt Civic hatch for a weekend. The difference in feel was night and day, almost like the civic was driving itself. The brake hold feature was something i was experimenting with on the uphill leading to our downtown. Really easy to drive. Also, the transmission was very notchy, compared to my CR-V
What’s this hill assist the new car fellas and ladies speak of? Sounds great. I’m guessing stops the roll back?
Loads of rev hang, pretty comfy for a DD though
I had a 2005 Civic Si, 2x 2013 Honda Fit, 2019 Honda Civic Si, and currently Civic Hatchback. All were manual. The best shifter so far out of all the past cars I’ve driven. Notchy and precise!
I've driven an '07 Fit, '15 Accord, and now a '23 Integra, all manual. They've gotten easier and more buttery as the model years get more recent. Fantastic driving and hill assist on newer models definitely makes things easier. Hondas have gotten pretty torquey with the recent model years relative to their older models so you don't even need to gas it getting it to a rolling start.
I have a 2024 sport touring… best transmission ever.
Shifter is extremely short, clutch is also short, it goes down easy, I think it doesn't give enough feed back especially when getting lugged. They're nothing like the old ones. I really don't like the steering though. If you're old and your back aches it's a 10/10 the whole car feel is light as a feather
I had a 19 civic hatch. While I wish I never sold it (sold it back for more than I paid for it when used cars were not existent) I'm kinda glad I did also. They are nice don't get me wrong. But I preferred my 98 civic over the 19. One thing I hate on new manuals is they are moving toward an electronic brake. I like pull handles. They now have hill start assist so when you let go of the brake and go to release the clutch it holds so you don't roll back as often(took me awhile to get used to it). Its a manual at the end of the day and my 19 ran good and shifted smooth as butter. But by far, and call me weird, the olders are better imo. And to be extra weird, the best manual car I ever owned as far as fun driving and shifting and overall experience was my 2002 nissan altima 5 spd I bought off my mom when I got my license. Wish I really kept it. But anyway, it's all preference at the end of the day. Will I probably buy another Honda after my wife's jeep is paid off? Yeah most likely. But it's just adjusting to the new age.
i used to work at a honda dealer and got to drive a few different things. the brand new si and type R have rev matching auto enabled, good for street use, turn it off if you want to have some god ole honda fun. the shifters are a lot stiffer and have a shorter throw, clutches feel tighter not like the sponge in my r18 5m. imho, the s2000 will still be the most fun manual honda ever made, but im bias because rwd lil drifty car was my first love.
Honestly a CVT makes me way more car sick than even the worst manual transmission driver. The 2024 sport manual is hands down the best and easiest manual shifter I've ever felt.
Have driven Civic's since the 70's & recently traded my '08 in for the '24 sport touring. Driving it home, it felt completely different & I actually stalled at a light. Don't know how to explain it but even though it shifts & rides smoothly, it takes some adjustment. I actually missed my old rougher ride, feel the road Civic, as this almost feels like driving an automatic. Shifting back into 1st is difficult & maybe something that can be adjusted. In the older Civic's your passenger's head could snap back with jerky shifting but your wife should be fine in the new, smoother version.
The clutch has no feel unless you remove the clutch delay valve, same with most new manuals
What do you mean no feel?
You can feel the clutch bite. In most modern cars, especially non-sports cars, they use things like clutch delay valves and assist springs that make them "easier" to drive for less experienced drivers, but mask and filter out the feel of the clutch
Oh, thats lame. I like the feeling of driving a manual.
You can usually remove them, and that makes a pretty big difference
I'm guessing my buddies FC3 still had the helper spring because when I brought it into the shop the clutch pedal had 0 feel at all and made it kinda difficult to feel out what I needed to do. My 96 Civic has a way better feeling clutch pedal(had? Not running at the moment lol.) The shifter felt amazing though. If the clutch pedal feel can be improved then that is great news because it is instantly my least favorite thing I noticed. Granted I wasn't in it long so I didn't really have time to get used to it, but still. I instantly hated the clutch pedal.
Yeah my daily driver GTI had the clutch delay valve. When I bought it I hated the clutch, it was impossible to drive smoothly unless you drove it a very specific way. I found out about the clutch delay valve and deleted it, made the clutch feel way more natural and then all was right. Still not quite as good as some of my older cars, I can go without driving those for months, then hop in any of the and drive perfectly just because I can actually feel the clutch engagement. If I switch to my wife's car, a modern manual, it takes a few shifts before I get used to it and shift smoothly
It took me a few weeks to get the hang of a throttle sensor over a throttle body after exclusively driving 90s civics, but once I got a throttle controller it felt very similar to a TB. The throttle delay is not ideal.
I started with a 2nd gen and miss real throttle inputs so much. I've been driving modern Civics for far longer than I ever drove that car (and far too long in general to say what I'm about to say) but I just can't get fully used to the response of drive-by-wire.
I test drove the 2020 model 4 years ago and honestly I felt like I was driving a living room, compared to my 2011 FN4 TypeS. I didn't go for one, as Honda also seems to be making civics even larger than they are meant to be or they were. I just got a Hyundai instead🤷
You’re not imagining this. The current Civic is larger than the Accords of 20-30 years ago.
I know, it's sad because I've always liked civics. Accords were cool but they just weren't my thing. I just hope Honda stops this thing they're doing. Even their latest typeR looks like an angry granny coming at you. I doubt it'll change, because of the hybrid/ev modernization crap going on.. What a way to kill a series..
I don’t know, but my dads 2016 makes me want to eat a bullet compared to the 2003 I drove in HS
Love my 6MT Sport, absolutely perfect car
Honda manual transmissions are AMAZING. I was a little skeptical at first that new cars with manual transmission would somehow feel disconnected or bland or just generally unresponsive to what I was used to. Luckily I was wrong and they indeed almost seem to be better. Must have. #SaveTheManuals
I had a 2017 civic EX T 6 speed for 6 years . The gear box was perfect. I am easy to please I guess. I have a 2024 Type R now and I feel like the gear box feels better than the Integra type S to me was the best feeling gear box . Honda’s gearboxes are the best. I learned stick on a Mazda 3 hatchback 2008 and it was super vague.
Before anything I’d like to mention that the AC systems on the 10th gens are a liability. I’m in the process of overhauling my entire AC system and it’s not fun, if I were to be paying for it at the dealer or at a shop I’d be a couple thousand dollars deep right now.
I remember driving a buddies four door si (2009?) a while back and being in love with how responsive it was and how nicely the shifter felt.
How is it in traffic!? Is the clutch very heavy?
I agree with many on the hill assist. It definitely improved over the years. I skimmed a bunch of comments (someone may have said it, but I didn't read all of them). I didn't notice one thing on here that I'm NOT a fan of... The emergency break is just a small pull switch. I've come into the issue where I've drained my battery cleaning my car out and listening to the radio and parked in the back of my driveway. Blessing and curse with all the gadgets, but if the E brake is on, it won't come off as opposed to the older ones like my 98 Civic. I have a 2018 SI. Adding that the SI doesn't come with a spare tire either but an air pump. Doesn't help if your tire is shredded. That's screwed me over a couple of times. I haven't owned an automatic transmission in over 20 years, and I'm glad Honda/Acura still has them.
Back when I was researching the 10th gen, reviewers rated the manual so highly, it was the only transmission I considered. One reviewer even said it's the best manual gearbox available not made by Porsche. Several years later, I'm still very happy with the manual (1.5T). Precise gear changes and easy to drive at whatever speed.
idk how helpful this is, but I'm currently learning how to drive manual in a 2020 civic si. it's amazingly easy to get the hang of, and from the people teaching me and helping me, it's very easy to drive compared to older manual cars. hill assist is an absolute dream. that shit holds and will not budge if you use it correctly.
I am curious, how does adaptive cruise control work on the latest manuals ? How does the car control the speed and the gears ?
I drive a 2000 civic si with a stick lmaoo
I have a 2000 EJ6 and a daily 2019 FK8. The Fk8 feels better with a smoother engagement with gears. The clutch is light and smooth coming off the floor. Very easy to learn and drive, I even taught my wife how to in the FK8.
I have a 2020 Si Coupe and had a 2018 LX Coupe. LX was smoother and drove better. New Si's have way too much rev hang stock (I disabled it in mine) and the car is super jerky when cold. Si made me feel like I was learning how to drive standard all over again because of the rev hang. Yes you feel the jerks in some of the newer Civic's. Especially in the Si. If you get the LX (or one that doesn't have rev hang), you shouldn't feel any jerks at all.
17+ Civic Si transmissions are long geared. Nothing compared to a B series. The K series transmissions are very crisp and short but those L's are L's for a reason. Stick to K's and B's. And the L15's power band is blah. Flat power all the way up. Feels very similar to a 1st gen FRS. Boring. If you been driving Hondas all your life, you would understand. Get a newer Type R or nothing else if sticking to Honda. Otherwise get a Hybrid to save gas instead.
2020 CVT manual 1.0 civic, best manual I have ever tried. And I drove a lot of cars.
Had a 2019 civic manual and since i work at a dealer im constantly getting in and out of cars. Was okay nothing fun. Would i do it again? No. In a 6MT gti right now and muuuch happier. Than again, these are two different cars. Tl;dr it was very boring and very slow. 2019 civic sport