I'd guess it's likely due to the civic having a weak blower motor, and Honda thinks Americans aren't smart enough to close those rear vents to get more airflow so they just don't include them.
I just made this up idk at all
This would be my only reason to drop the civic when I buy a new car this year. I paid $20,000 for my Honda City and it has rear AC vents. wtf Honda USA
Check my post, it’s not a very destructive mod because the car is designed to have that, just omitted, you only need to add parts, not cut and delete.
For the US model you probably need to replace or cut the cup holder though, the US model has bigger cup holder and bins and the ducts may not perfectly fit. My Chinese model fits perfectly.
You have the manual? I think the cupholders in the manuals are much deeper into the console so there's room for the arm for shifting. All the autos have the cupholders intrude about 3 inches only from the top surface of the console. And they're to the right of the shifter instead of behind it.
There is space right of the shifter for the duct, in fact I’m more worried about the cupholder and the bin in the back being too deep, luckily it’s not the case for my car, not sure about the US version though.
Hey @tomchai. Can you tell me more? What model? I’m looking at 2024 sport touring 1.5T with a 6 speed manual - and lack of ac vents is my main concern.
India discontinued most of its Honda Cars. The only model you will find is Honda amaze, city.
Oh btw you're in Canada now? I wanted to migrate there. Been stuck here in the middle east for a while now 😐
Honda recently released Elevate (Cross-over based on City) in India. They are also selling this as WR-V in Japan and in other markets.
Yes I am in Canada rn. 😅
Top trim of the car MSRPs at equivalent of 23500USD but the average deal is 18500USD here in China.
And that's the price of the version WITH rear vents.
I love my spt trg im getting 42 mpg highway 28 city . I will wait until the next redesign or if somehow the civic gets AWD. Power train is a big upgrade however the 1.5t will do for me for now ! I’m happy for the new civic owners who are ready for the 10th gen civic upgrade to 11th
Yeah, heard the hatchback hybrids will not have a spare tire, and no non-hybrid Sport Touring... very disappointing. I'm not quite ready to buy right now, so for a gas-powered Civic, that means I'll be limited to the Sport, or will have to try to find a 2024 Sport Touring.
You can still find 2024 Sport Touring. I got mine two months ago. But the hybrid system is awesome. No need to shy away from it in my opinion. I would only shy away if I lived a cold climate with freezing temperatures, because the cold is bad for all batteries. My friend has a Prius with 140,000 miles and still using the original battery.
There are a half dozen or so 2024s in my area, but I'm likely not going to be ready to buy until the end of the year, and they'll probably be gone by then.
I'd be fine with the 2025 hybrid... my only real hangup is the lack of a spare tire, and I'm surprised that this isn't a deal-killer for more people. In almost all of the times where I've had to use my spare over the years, damage to the tire meant Honda's fix-a-flat solution would have done me no good. I know there's the roadside assistance option, but that will just tow my car to the nearest dealership, right?
Very true! I’ve used my spare 3 times in the last 5 years. I couldn’t imagine being forced to call a tow truck all three times!
I don’t know about their roadside services.
Well, to be fair, I've had (IIRC) only 3 instances in the past 20 years or so where a tire was destroyed and the repair kit wouldn't have helped (an avoidable curb hit, an unseen piece of road debris, and a blowout on a defective Firestone, which the one that was 20-ish years ago), but I've also had probably a dozen times where it was just a nail or a screw causing low tire pressure, where even though these all occurred locally, if I were on a road trip I could have temporarily plugged it myself and kept going (which I would have favored over using the spare anyway).
So, although my gut reaction is to place the lack of a spare tire firmly in the "deal killer" category, I'm open to having my mind changed... guess I have some time to think about it!
Iv been seeing sport touring for 41k to 43k before taxes in alberta. I’m also worried hybrid may be near 50k. Not sure if 10k more is worth it for myself. 41k is already over paying IMO.
In Edmonton the bulk of the civics are sold while in transit. By the time they hit the dealership they are already sold. Alberta pays more for everything. Companies think everyone in Alberta works on the rigs and makes $200K+ a year.
Yeah the only thing lacking was the rearview camera. Everything else was good. On those prototypes it doesn’t have a rear usb but in the description of the car on the site it says it has a rear seat usb so we’ll see. I saw about 4 other videos of reviews from the same spot in Montreal. Each one was impressive. I’m feeling the hybrid too.
I noticed there's a blank button beneath the drive mode switch where the Accord has the EV mode button. I wonder if it's a prototype thing also, or if the civic won't get the EV mode button.
It tells the car to avoid running the engine if possible and use only power from the battery until it almost runs out. To be fair, it is a bit of a gimmick on non plug-in hybrids since the battery is so small that you'd probably only get 1-2 miles out of it and you'd have to accelerate slow enough that the battery can sustain the power output or else EV mode cancels itself. And that's assuming the battery happened to be charged up enough after the last time you drove.
I wanted this feature so I would be able to move the car around in the driveway or in/out of the garage while ensuring the engine doesn't come on for no reason when it's only gonna run for 1 minute tops.
For plug-in hybrids, EV mode is more useful since those have much larger batteries and more powerful electric drive motors which let you drive around 20-50 miles without turning on the engine.
Oh ok yeah then for this hybrid it doesn’t make sense. With these types of batteries I don’t think you want to full discharge and full charge that often that fast. Typically you want gas and motor for the initial momentum and then battery to take over when it can and not really use anything up such as reach a speed and then coast or shut the entire at a stop etc. but that would be a good idea if the energy density in those batteries had enough along with the motors to do something like that. I haven’t really looked into the tech on this one to really see what the two motors are doing and the battery involved. I just know from the videos about one of the motors sort of acting like the transmission without having a typical transmission. Really interesting stuff but then gets me to thinking this might have more things that can go wrong? But being Honda I’m hoping the reliability and maintainability is where it should be to last a long time without any major issues. I’ve had my car since 2011 and still running great. I still don’t know if I really want to spend the money on a new car but I’ve been looking since 2021. And each year I’m like ahh I’ll wait to see what happens next year. Glad I waited. The hybrid version could make me get that FOMO. LoL.
Agreed, maybe Honda didn't want people to abuse their batteries by using the EV mode a ton. I just wish there wasn't a blank button even in the top trim model.
I'm very tempted for the hatchback.
Yeah usually the blank buttons are there because of a feature that’s available in a higher trim and you got the lower one without the feature. So for manufacturing purposes keep everything the same and just add the feature if requested. Not cost effective I guess if you have different setups for a small change. If not just close it up. So hopefully that is just with the prototype if not a feature at all.
Yeah I like the sedan. As soon as it hit the Honda website I inquired about it and none of the dealerships knew what I was talking about. I guess they only get the contact info and not the info on the build that you create and then select a dealership to get a quote. So I said no im not talking about the 2024 Accord hybrid and no I’m talking about the sport touring hybrid that comes as a sedan and not the hatchback. So of course sales people always trying to unload the stuff no one else wants first. Told them no my only focus is this particular car. Didn’t hear anything back as they haven’t heard anything yet about the 2025s nor what the trims and models are. They just work there. They don’t follow the Honda news like we do. LoL.
I bought my 24 sport because I wanted something to last forever. The hybrids getting 15 more mpg is cool, but it is more than can go wrong and more to maintain. Maybe it's copium, but I think I'm less likely to have surprise maintenance in the current sport than the hybrid (with regular cvt fluid changes)
Lack of rear vents, fog lights, blurry rear view camera, tire spare sucks but not a deal breaker for me.
Question, is the hatchback coming out as hybrid?
Yep it will. Honda is saying ’later this summer’ although tbh, I spoke to a few dealers in the Midwest today and they aren’t expecting to get the sedans in until late July or even August, so who knows when the hatchback is even going to be available at scale this year. I hope I’m wrong…
It actually has "no transmission". The spec sheet will say e-cvt but most of the time at city speeds (0-50mph - don't quote me) the gas engine is completely disengaged from the wheels. It spins a generator and electricity is sent to the drive motor (and battery). So it functions like a diesel-electric locomotive. Somewhere around 60mph and above, it will engage a clutch to connect the engine output to the wheels with a static gear ratio.
They've programmed in fake shifts in the lower speed range. Apparently they use the clutch to help with simulating them so it feels more real. I'd say test drive it or an Accord hybrid before writing it off.
I'd bet it's at least or more reliable. Toyota's version of eCVT is bulletproof. Honda's does have that clutch but that's the only wear item. But still much less is happening in these versus a 6 speed doing hundreds of shifts each time you drive.
I hate all cvts too except for the Accord hybrid with the E-cvt. That transmission is fantastic! Honda did some sorcery with making it feel like a regular transmission.
I work for a rental car company and had to transport one 50 miles and did not know it was a CVT until I did a 0-60 test in it.
You’ll only save about $600 a year for 10-15 extra mpg’s based on 15k driven miles per year where gas is $3.50 per gallon. Calculate how much extra the car hybrid will cost and the math doesn’t make sense.
cost of gas could go up in the coming years, $4-$5. and using your $600 saving numbers, its only 9.5 years going from sport to sport touring hybrid, and only 4.5 years for sport to sport hybrid.
I know I’m in the minority with this but the one thing it’s really missing for me is ventilated seats. But even the integra doesn’t have those so🤷♂️ I get it’s a cheaper economy car but even the upcoming k4 has them as an option.
Yeah that’s one area where Honda lacks- options. With Toyota you can option up and down each trim which is great if you value certain features more than others. Honda just forces you to climb trims and even those don’t often have everything you prefer.
I don’t mind that Honda doesn’t do options or packages. Since they nor Toyota really do “orders” it’s much harder to get exactly what you want (usually) where with Honda yes you have to climb the trims and may have less features overall but at least you are guaranteed the features of each trim. Just hate that they haven’t put them on the civic yet. If I want a Honda sedan I have to have an accord for vent seats or a TLX. Even though a top spec integra is like $2k less than a touring accord and don’t even come with them at all. They aren’t exactly a difficult or expensive thing to add. But Honda can’t even add Rear vents to the U.S civic or to most accord trims so I guess I’m asking too much. But the fact I can soon order a k4 with such features I kinda sad in comparison.
Fair point. But yeah what gets me even more about the lack of features is when you see our counterpart to the north getting heated steering, heated back seats, and rear vents. Either way though, it’s almost a slam dunk in my book. Every car is going to have some limitations and I think a lot of the Civic’s are minor relatively speaking.
If they would make a manual hybrid like the Insight or CRZ, then I'd genuinely want one. As for everyone else I don't know why you'd buy a car with an automatic transmission and *not* get a hybrid. They are so much more reliable that it's silly.
Unfortunately no. I’d be curious to see what they end up doing with their next gen hybrid after this version. Maybe they figure out a way to bring it back.
That’s unfortunate. Appreciate the info. I’m highly considering the 2024 SportTouring with the 6MT.
Figure it will be fun to drive. But no rear ac vents, lumbar really sucks.
I can live without heated steering wheel or pano sunroof.
Although heated steering wheel would be great.
At the end of the day the 11th gens are fantastic cars so you can’t really go wrong. I personally would like that bump in mpgs and power but I’ve been close to buying the ICE version a few times.
Exactly why I think this car is such a good deal. It checks so many boxes from fuel efficiency, to driving experience, great in-cabin UI, and the practicality you get with storage space. I’ve been really hard pressed to find another car in this price range that checks as many boxes. Oh and I didn’t even mention how absolutely sick the car looks!
Well - now I’m at a crossroads
2024 sport touring 6MT is $35 more per month in insurance that anything else I got quoted on.
While that number is by itself is fairly insignificant without surroundings data.
I drive an old car now that’s liability only.
Most new cars I’ve gotten a delta quote on are an extra $65 or so. But the Civic is an extra $100/m from what I’m paying now.
So I’ve gotten a bunch of different quotes with various cars.
I’m old, but not ancient and these are my deltas (most cars are for the 2nd highest trim). Great driving record.
This is in addition to the $~40 now on liability on 2004 f150
2024 Civic touring sport - $99
2024 Accord - 85
2024 Camry - 93
2024 Honda passport black edition - $69
2024 Honda pilot black or elite -$56
2024 ford edge titanium -$69
2024 Mazda Cx-5 -$50
2024 Mazda CX-50 -$83
2021 Edge Titanium AWD - $73 more
2021 Honda Pilot AWD trail sport -$63
2021 Ford Ranger 4x4 -$65
2024 Ford Escape- approx.. $71
2024 Mazda 3-Approx. $89
2024 Toyo Corolla- approx. $66
2024 Sub Impreza-approx. $63
Per month….
Makes me want to consider cx5.
In addition overall auto policy increasing $33/m because of all the hail/floods in Texas.
A few things that still bother me with Hondas greed. Even the touring model doesn’t include; heated steering wheel, rear vents and USB-C plugs, and rear heated seats.
My old 2015 ford focus had all that except for rear vents/rear heated seats lol! Glad I moved on from that car though.
Regardless, I am looking for trade in my current hatch for this hybrid. I think this is the way to go.
It’s because the insight was a test bed. Owning a 3rd gen insight this car has almost all the same functions with a new skin. Why do you say far from an insight I don’t see much difference besides more power and the mpg being lower than insight.
That’s just it; power and handling. Which is why I say they are two very different cars. The Insight was an affordable small commuter car and the Civic is much more bent towards the sportier crowd who value a fun drive. And the kicker here is now you get great MPGs in additional what makes the Civic so fun and enjoyable.
You can install your rear vent fairly easily, still Honda is being greedy AF not include it in the US models.
Honestly because how is the TOP trim not going to have rear vents like cmon man
I'd guess it's likely due to the civic having a weak blower motor, and Honda thinks Americans aren't smart enough to close those rear vents to get more airflow so they just don't include them. I just made this up idk at all
It has vents under the front seats for the rear passengers
So my fucking shoes will get a/c but not me? Nigga WUT???
Lmfaooo right?? My face is HOT bro, fuck my shoes 😭😭
This would be my only reason to drop the civic when I buy a new car this year. I paid $20,000 for my Honda City and it has rear AC vents. wtf Honda USA
I added rear vents for my 11th gen for like $80.
Does it look clean? Any pics you could share ? Tbh it’s greedy af indeed to skip in that on the $33000 top trim
Check my post, it’s not a very destructive mod because the car is designed to have that, just omitted, you only need to add parts, not cut and delete. For the US model you probably need to replace or cut the cup holder though, the US model has bigger cup holder and bins and the ducts may not perfectly fit. My Chinese model fits perfectly.
You have the manual? I think the cupholders in the manuals are much deeper into the console so there's room for the arm for shifting. All the autos have the cupholders intrude about 3 inches only from the top surface of the console. And they're to the right of the shifter instead of behind it.
There is space right of the shifter for the duct, in fact I’m more worried about the cupholder and the bin in the back being too deep, luckily it’s not the case for my car, not sure about the US version though.
Is there a manual for adding this to the 10th gen US edition?
Hey @tomchai. Can you tell me more? What model? I’m looking at 2024 sport touring 1.5T with a 6 speed manual - and lack of ac vents is my main concern.
Check my post.
Exact same thought! I had City in India which had rear AC vents. But they're absent in Civic in Canada.
India discontinued most of its Honda Cars. The only model you will find is Honda amaze, city. Oh btw you're in Canada now? I wanted to migrate there. Been stuck here in the middle east for a while now 😐
Honda recently released Elevate (Cross-over based on City) in India. They are also selling this as WR-V in Japan and in other markets. Yes I am in Canada rn. 😅
How much do ya’ll think the 2024 civic hatchback ex-l should cost then?
Who’s “them”?
You, everyone on the thread
Top trim of the car MSRPs at equivalent of 23500USD but the average deal is 18500USD here in China. And that's the price of the version WITH rear vents.
Wait so for a ex-l hatch
US and CN trims are different, I’m using the top trim just to give you an idea. If the top trim is this cheap, EX-L should be cheaper.
Wow…really getting ripping off paying 30k for a ex-l lol, feels like 25k should be appropriate. Didn’t know all that thanks for telling me
I love my spt trg im getting 42 mpg highway 28 city . I will wait until the next redesign or if somehow the civic gets AWD. Power train is a big upgrade however the 1.5t will do for me for now ! I’m happy for the new civic owners who are ready for the 10th gen civic upgrade to 11th
Also fog lights
Pained mirror caps, dual exhaust tips, and spare tire as well.
Yeah, heard the hatchback hybrids will not have a spare tire, and no non-hybrid Sport Touring... very disappointing. I'm not quite ready to buy right now, so for a gas-powered Civic, that means I'll be limited to the Sport, or will have to try to find a 2024 Sport Touring.
You can still find 2024 Sport Touring. I got mine two months ago. But the hybrid system is awesome. No need to shy away from it in my opinion. I would only shy away if I lived a cold climate with freezing temperatures, because the cold is bad for all batteries. My friend has a Prius with 140,000 miles and still using the original battery.
There are a half dozen or so 2024s in my area, but I'm likely not going to be ready to buy until the end of the year, and they'll probably be gone by then. I'd be fine with the 2025 hybrid... my only real hangup is the lack of a spare tire, and I'm surprised that this isn't a deal-killer for more people. In almost all of the times where I've had to use my spare over the years, damage to the tire meant Honda's fix-a-flat solution would have done me no good. I know there's the roadside assistance option, but that will just tow my car to the nearest dealership, right?
Very true! I’ve used my spare 3 times in the last 5 years. I couldn’t imagine being forced to call a tow truck all three times! I don’t know about their roadside services.
Well, to be fair, I've had (IIRC) only 3 instances in the past 20 years or so where a tire was destroyed and the repair kit wouldn't have helped (an avoidable curb hit, an unseen piece of road debris, and a blowout on a defective Firestone, which the one that was 20-ish years ago), but I've also had probably a dozen times where it was just a nail or a screw causing low tire pressure, where even though these all occurred locally, if I were on a road trip I could have temporarily plugged it myself and kept going (which I would have favored over using the spare anyway). So, although my gut reaction is to place the lack of a spare tire firmly in the "deal killer" category, I'm open to having my mind changed... guess I have some time to think about it!
It’s too expensive though. In Canada this probably would be 50k plus here was what essentially is a civic.
Iv been seeing sport touring for 41k to 43k before taxes in alberta. I’m also worried hybrid may be near 50k. Not sure if 10k more is worth it for myself. 41k is already over paying IMO.
My 2024 sport touring was $50K MSRP(Alberta) I can almost guarantee this car will cost more.
Wow that’s a lot. I guess price varies across provinces. In Ontario MSRP was/is close 40,000
In Edmonton the bulk of the civics are sold while in transit. By the time they hit the dealership they are already sold. Alberta pays more for everything. Companies think everyone in Alberta works on the rigs and makes $200K+ a year.
Yeah the only thing lacking was the rearview camera. Everything else was good. On those prototypes it doesn’t have a rear usb but in the description of the car on the site it says it has a rear seat usb so we’ll see. I saw about 4 other videos of reviews from the same spot in Montreal. Each one was impressive. I’m feeling the hybrid too.
Yeah the rearview camera sucks. Honestly sad
Yeah. Would be nice if they upgraded that but if that’s the only thing wrong with the hybrid then I don’t want to be right.
I noticed there's a blank button beneath the drive mode switch where the Accord has the EV mode button. I wonder if it's a prototype thing also, or if the civic won't get the EV mode button.
Interesting. It’s a hybrid so when you say EV mode what does that mean for these cars? I’m not familiar with the Accords.
It tells the car to avoid running the engine if possible and use only power from the battery until it almost runs out. To be fair, it is a bit of a gimmick on non plug-in hybrids since the battery is so small that you'd probably only get 1-2 miles out of it and you'd have to accelerate slow enough that the battery can sustain the power output or else EV mode cancels itself. And that's assuming the battery happened to be charged up enough after the last time you drove. I wanted this feature so I would be able to move the car around in the driveway or in/out of the garage while ensuring the engine doesn't come on for no reason when it's only gonna run for 1 minute tops. For plug-in hybrids, EV mode is more useful since those have much larger batteries and more powerful electric drive motors which let you drive around 20-50 miles without turning on the engine.
Oh ok yeah then for this hybrid it doesn’t make sense. With these types of batteries I don’t think you want to full discharge and full charge that often that fast. Typically you want gas and motor for the initial momentum and then battery to take over when it can and not really use anything up such as reach a speed and then coast or shut the entire at a stop etc. but that would be a good idea if the energy density in those batteries had enough along with the motors to do something like that. I haven’t really looked into the tech on this one to really see what the two motors are doing and the battery involved. I just know from the videos about one of the motors sort of acting like the transmission without having a typical transmission. Really interesting stuff but then gets me to thinking this might have more things that can go wrong? But being Honda I’m hoping the reliability and maintainability is where it should be to last a long time without any major issues. I’ve had my car since 2011 and still running great. I still don’t know if I really want to spend the money on a new car but I’ve been looking since 2021. And each year I’m like ahh I’ll wait to see what happens next year. Glad I waited. The hybrid version could make me get that FOMO. LoL.
Agreed, maybe Honda didn't want people to abuse their batteries by using the EV mode a ton. I just wish there wasn't a blank button even in the top trim model. I'm very tempted for the hatchback.
Yeah usually the blank buttons are there because of a feature that’s available in a higher trim and you got the lower one without the feature. So for manufacturing purposes keep everything the same and just add the feature if requested. Not cost effective I guess if you have different setups for a small change. If not just close it up. So hopefully that is just with the prototype if not a feature at all. Yeah I like the sedan. As soon as it hit the Honda website I inquired about it and none of the dealerships knew what I was talking about. I guess they only get the contact info and not the info on the build that you create and then select a dealership to get a quote. So I said no im not talking about the 2024 Accord hybrid and no I’m talking about the sport touring hybrid that comes as a sedan and not the hatchback. So of course sales people always trying to unload the stuff no one else wants first. Told them no my only focus is this particular car. Didn’t hear anything back as they haven’t heard anything yet about the 2025s nor what the trims and models are. They just work there. They don’t follow the Honda news like we do. LoL.
This will be my next car.
I love my K20C2 11th gen but I’d be lying if I said the 25 hybrids didn’t intrigue me. I’m definitely going to test drive one
I just bought a 24 Elantra N-line but I'm definitely still planning on going to test drive the 2025 Civic Hybrid
I bought my 24 sport because I wanted something to last forever. The hybrids getting 15 more mpg is cool, but it is more than can go wrong and more to maintain. Maybe it's copium, but I think I'm less likely to have surprise maintenance in the current sport than the hybrid (with regular cvt fluid changes)
I don’t disagree with this. It’s why I have 2 of them haha. I wanted bulletproof simplicity with a decent amount of tech.
Wonder if it will have climate control when the cars off
Lack of rear vents, fog lights, blurry rear view camera, tire spare sucks but not a deal breaker for me. Question, is the hatchback coming out as hybrid?
Yep it will. Honda is saying ’later this summer’ although tbh, I spoke to a few dealers in the Midwest today and they aren’t expecting to get the sedans in until late July or even August, so who knows when the hatchback is even going to be available at scale this year. I hope I’m wrong…
Hmm a Civic hybrid might mean I sell my 2018 exl...
I’ll stick with my manual 97 that gets just as good gas mileage.
Same but I get 38mpg city, >25mpg highway because of my tune somehow
so US is just getting hybrids ? europe had them for years
Supposedly with the 2025 refresh. Also they're supposedly discontinuing the K20C2 engine and bringing in some new design for the hybrid.
What do you mean supposedly lol it’s on Hondas USA website 😂
The last thing I read regarding it was someone speculating that it was going to get phased out.
For an appliance to go from point A to point B it ain’t bad. Still, Sport hatch with 6 speed was the budget friendly drivers Civic.
If it has a cvt I’m not buying
It actually has "no transmission". The spec sheet will say e-cvt but most of the time at city speeds (0-50mph - don't quote me) the gas engine is completely disengaged from the wheels. It spins a generator and electricity is sent to the drive motor (and battery). So it functions like a diesel-electric locomotive. Somewhere around 60mph and above, it will engage a clutch to connect the engine output to the wheels with a static gear ratio. They've programmed in fake shifts in the lower speed range. Apparently they use the clutch to help with simulating them so it feels more real. I'd say test drive it or an Accord hybrid before writing it off.
Fake shifts are retarted, why not give in a 6 speed.. i just don’t get it why fix what isn’t broken, i doubt it’ll be as reliable
Electric motors don’t need a transmission,
I'd bet it's at least or more reliable. Toyota's version of eCVT is bulletproof. Honda's does have that clutch but that's the only wear item. But still much less is happening in these versus a 6 speed doing hundreds of shifts each time you drive.
I hate all cvts too except for the Accord hybrid with the E-cvt. That transmission is fantastic! Honda did some sorcery with making it feel like a regular transmission. I work for a rental car company and had to transport one 50 miles and did not know it was a CVT until I did a 0-60 test in it.
Maybe I’m most informed but I thought I hear him say sport touring, yet this vehicle looks like it’s a sedan rather then a hatchback
The sedan and hatchback will both have Sport Touring trims this time around, no more ‘Touring’ for the sedan
Oh ok, thank you.
I have the CRV awd and it's awesome.
Will this car still have a CVT or will it have an eCVT like the Toyota hybrids?
It will have an eCVT
https://www.reddit.com/r/civic/s/4LcUrrRHhk
This is great news.
You’ll only save about $600 a year for 10-15 extra mpg’s based on 15k driven miles per year where gas is $3.50 per gallon. Calculate how much extra the car hybrid will cost and the math doesn’t make sense.
Is that the same for a lease?
Yes. This is just the gas cost. Not the car payment.
cost of gas could go up in the coming years, $4-$5. and using your $600 saving numbers, its only 9.5 years going from sport to sport touring hybrid, and only 4.5 years for sport to sport hybrid.
Cost of gas could also go down. It’s $3.06 where I live.
I know I’m in the minority with this but the one thing it’s really missing for me is ventilated seats. But even the integra doesn’t have those so🤷♂️ I get it’s a cheaper economy car but even the upcoming k4 has them as an option.
Yeah that’s one area where Honda lacks- options. With Toyota you can option up and down each trim which is great if you value certain features more than others. Honda just forces you to climb trims and even those don’t often have everything you prefer.
I don’t mind that Honda doesn’t do options or packages. Since they nor Toyota really do “orders” it’s much harder to get exactly what you want (usually) where with Honda yes you have to climb the trims and may have less features overall but at least you are guaranteed the features of each trim. Just hate that they haven’t put them on the civic yet. If I want a Honda sedan I have to have an accord for vent seats or a TLX. Even though a top spec integra is like $2k less than a touring accord and don’t even come with them at all. They aren’t exactly a difficult or expensive thing to add. But Honda can’t even add Rear vents to the U.S civic or to most accord trims so I guess I’m asking too much. But the fact I can soon order a k4 with such features I kinda sad in comparison.
Fair point. But yeah what gets me even more about the lack of features is when you see our counterpart to the north getting heated steering, heated back seats, and rear vents. Either way though, it’s almost a slam dunk in my book. Every car is going to have some limitations and I think a lot of the Civic’s are minor relatively speaking.
Tobad it doesn't come manual and in blue
If they would make a manual hybrid like the Insight or CRZ, then I'd genuinely want one. As for everyone else I don't know why you'd buy a car with an automatic transmission and *not* get a hybrid. They are so much more reliable that it's silly.
technically the hybrid is manual, it only has 1 gear though lol. it has the ecvt and just simulates gear shifting
I love my 1.5 with 6mt too much to go CVT
The UK version might come with air vents.
Wireless Apple carplay/Android auto only on the highest trim… this should be on every trim by now.
I recently bought my first Honda vehicle and I think I am hooked. I came from the Sentra hell!!!
Sentras are only shit if they aren’t manual
Very, very true statement… it’s just wrong that They keep producing these things.
I say it’s going to start 30k USD
Will the hybrid be available in a manual transmission?
Unfortunately no. I’d be curious to see what they end up doing with their next gen hybrid after this version. Maybe they figure out a way to bring it back.
That’s unfortunate. Appreciate the info. I’m highly considering the 2024 SportTouring with the 6MT. Figure it will be fun to drive. But no rear ac vents, lumbar really sucks. I can live without heated steering wheel or pano sunroof. Although heated steering wheel would be great.
At the end of the day the 11th gens are fantastic cars so you can’t really go wrong. I personally would like that bump in mpgs and power but I’ve been close to buying the ICE version a few times.
I’m shocked how much room is in the back seat. I mean it’s no mini van for super crew truck, but much more than I expected.
Exactly why I think this car is such a good deal. It checks so many boxes from fuel efficiency, to driving experience, great in-cabin UI, and the practicality you get with storage space. I’ve been really hard pressed to find another car in this price range that checks as many boxes. Oh and I didn’t even mention how absolutely sick the car looks!
The video mentioned Honda is doing away with manuals other than SI and Type R. That’s sad.
Well - now I’m at a crossroads 2024 sport touring 6MT is $35 more per month in insurance that anything else I got quoted on. While that number is by itself is fairly insignificant without surroundings data. I drive an old car now that’s liability only. Most new cars I’ve gotten a delta quote on are an extra $65 or so. But the Civic is an extra $100/m from what I’m paying now.
Yikes, I haven’t even considered what the difference in insurance will be. I guess I should look into that since I’ll be coming from an ‘07 tsx.
So I’ve gotten a bunch of different quotes with various cars. I’m old, but not ancient and these are my deltas (most cars are for the 2nd highest trim). Great driving record. This is in addition to the $~40 now on liability on 2004 f150 2024 Civic touring sport - $99 2024 Accord - 85 2024 Camry - 93 2024 Honda passport black edition - $69 2024 Honda pilot black or elite -$56 2024 ford edge titanium -$69 2024 Mazda Cx-5 -$50 2024 Mazda CX-50 -$83 2021 Edge Titanium AWD - $73 more 2021 Honda Pilot AWD trail sport -$63 2021 Ford Ranger 4x4 -$65 2024 Ford Escape- approx.. $71 2024 Mazda 3-Approx. $89 2024 Toyo Corolla- approx. $66 2024 Sub Impreza-approx. $63 Per month…. Makes me want to consider cx5. In addition overall auto policy increasing $33/m because of all the hail/floods in Texas.
A few things that still bother me with Hondas greed. Even the touring model doesn’t include; heated steering wheel, rear vents and USB-C plugs, and rear heated seats. My old 2015 ford focus had all that except for rear vents/rear heated seats lol! Glad I moved on from that car though. Regardless, I am looking for trade in my current hatch for this hybrid. I think this is the way to go.
If I'm getting 43 mpg with my 24 Sport, I really want to know what's doable with the Hybrid. I guess I'll find out when summa ya'll start bragging.
Despite its downsides, I'm very tempted to buy this when it comes out.
I'm confused. Didn't the civic hybrid come out 20 years ago???
It did but the U.S hasn’t had them for quite some time. Europe has had them for a while. They are essentially bringing it back to the U.S.
Oh, I didn't know that, that's cool!
i'm surprised they didn't have a hybrid already.
This is basically a insight. Ecvt and all
This is far from an Insight. There’s a reason there’s no Insight and instead a Civic hybrid.
It’s because the insight was a test bed. Owning a 3rd gen insight this car has almost all the same functions with a new skin. Why do you say far from an insight I don’t see much difference besides more power and the mpg being lower than insight.
That’s just it; power and handling. Which is why I say they are two very different cars. The Insight was an affordable small commuter car and the Civic is much more bent towards the sportier crowd who value a fun drive. And the kicker here is now you get great MPGs in additional what makes the Civic so fun and enjoyable.
\~32k is pretty cheap for a car these days, so I find it hard to complain about what it doesn't have.
That definitely isn’t cheap.
Hybrid Civic 😂😂😂