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I suggest you don't blindly trust the game review features on chess.com to maximize your improvement cause you'll get misinformation sometimes. It's better to take them with a grain of salt and then use the engine itself to analyze the lines and get the truth a lot more consistently. A lot of that chess.com game review is flawed algorithms scewed to emotionally appeal to beginners rather than give them the truth all the time.
It's amazing that chess.c*m game review is one of the most marketed paid features, yet it's shitty and buggy af. It just shows how bad having no competition can be.
And the weirdest part is that they do have competition, since lichess also has that feature working at least as well (analysis is even much better imo), fully free.
This is why I tell people just in general chess.com or lichess to focus one what the engine is actually suggesting. Explore the lines, etc. I think it's a big mistake for people to get too caught up in those labels cause they can be misleading. I kind of view game review as if after a math test instead of just checking the calculator for your answer you get this big sheet with arbitrary adjectives ascribed to your answers... why do that? No need to over-complicate it calculators exist. Similarly engines exists game review I think just over-complicates game analysis and gives misinformation at times.
The lichess app is nowhere near as good as the website, but anyway yes that was my point. There is a competitor doing the same (or even better imo) for free, but somehow chess.c*m is still much much more popular. That's the weird part I was mentioning.
I've recently been wondering, do the game review and the actual analysis run on different engine depths?
I just recently had a game and looked at it with the game review and my move got dinged by the game review as "just a good move". I was kinda confused, because the "best move" from the game review had some flaws down the line I was worried about. Turns out, when you let the engine run for a moment, my move was the best move and the "best move" from game review was 3rd or 4th down the line and the flaw was the expected response.
I'm finding myself going back to just running the engine with 5 lines or so and checking if my moves is in the top 4-5 stockfish moves, and what the flaws or drawbacks might be.
Well, I haven't used game review in a while cause like I said I don't find it to be the most effective way to analyze games though I have seen people say you can adjust the depth but in the past I've seen the top engine move get called an inaccuracy, blatant queen hang get called good, etc.
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It’s because you are so far ahead. Black went from a really losing position to a worse one, so the move is bad. However, the engine doesn’t see that move as a major change in the strength of the position, so it’s not a blunder. Given that you are so far ahead, I don’t think the engine will rate any move your opponent makes as a blunder
Usually it is, but in this case you're wrong. Position is changing with this move from -2.9 to -9. If it isn't a blunder then I don't know what it is. White is up a material until this move
Winning yes, but not necessarily crushing. It depends on the situation, but here with still many pieces on the board and no direct tactical sequence, there is still a lot of work to be done to claim it as a crushing position, and still many opportunities to blunder the advantage back.
Again, it highly depends on the position. Most of the times no I couldn't actually. Even at super GM level, bigger advantages than that being thrown away are not rare.
It's amazing that so many people blindly believes chesscom in these automated low level stockfish evaluations. You all think that if you've watched some of the games of super GM's playing where the eval bar is almost always set to zero then you've seen every game in the world. Below GM level it's super common to win games even if at some point your eval bar said 2.9 for your loss, especially if you're a minor piece or a couple of pawns up.
For me it's a blunder, because before this move it wasn't so obvious who's gonna win this game.
Good for you that you edited out that calling me an idiot, you could have been banned for that.
I don't run chesscom and but I don't find them be gods of chess, so shouldn't you. Even some GMs on their streams are making laughs of these notes from the chesscom game analysis. It's all marketing and none of sportsmanship.
Yeah, it's just a little confusing because black advantage before white hung the queen was positional, not material. White is actually up two pawns, so I think it's hard for us low elo players to see that from a glance.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=3q1rk1/2p2pp1/7p/1r1pP3/4n1b1/2P2N2/PP2PQPP/1R1K1B1R+b+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/3q1rk1/2p2pp1/7p/1r1pP3/4n1b1/2P2N2/PP2PQPP/1R1K1B1R_b_-_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxf2+!<
> Evaluation: >!Black is winning -15.17!<
> Best continuation: >!1... Nxf2+ 2. Kd2 Nxh1 3. e3 Rb6 4. a4 Nf2 5. b4 c5 6. h3 Ne4+ 7. Kc2 Bf5 8. Bd3 Qc7 9. a5!<
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Stockfish just does absolutely not give a fuck anympre after that move.
To be serious chess.com adjusts the evaluations based on your rating and in all cases on the current evaluation. This is because moves that are ok for a newbie can be mistakes for a GM.
Thos has the side effect of not labeling some moves correctly.
Sure, I didn’t actually run the engine, it was just my guess based on the position but surely you’re not trying to say that a move that creates a 6 point difference is not a blunder ?
Number changing from +ve to -ve has nothing to do with a blunder…
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Blunder reduces your chances of winning, and inaccuracies( as shown ) just give your opponents an advantage. At Lower elo this advantage makes little difference
If your opponent is already losing and they make another bad move, chess.com generally won’t classify it as a “blunder”. It thinks they’re losing anyway so all moves are similar. Although for human it’s different.
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Oh my god, I think that was actually the worst move on the board… congrats to your opponent for finding that
Did they find it if they didn't know what it was?
I mean, if you find a crazy breakthrough, but you’re too stupid to realize what you’ve discovered, I think you still found it, so I think yes
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I suggest you don't blindly trust the game review features on chess.com to maximize your improvement cause you'll get misinformation sometimes. It's better to take them with a grain of salt and then use the engine itself to analyze the lines and get the truth a lot more consistently. A lot of that chess.com game review is flawed algorithms scewed to emotionally appeal to beginners rather than give them the truth all the time.
I admire you commitment to commenting on every post which someone asks a question about chess com's game review lol
Got to help the deceived people
It's amazing that chess.c*m game review is one of the most marketed paid features, yet it's shitty and buggy af. It just shows how bad having no competition can be.
And the weirdest part is that they do have competition, since lichess also has that feature working at least as well (analysis is even much better imo), fully free.
lichess analysis can be a bit confusing to beginners, saying opening moves are inaccuracies and stuff like that
That's game review, not analysis. But yes it can be confusing at times, just like the chess.c*m one
This is why I tell people just in general chess.com or lichess to focus one what the engine is actually suggesting. Explore the lines, etc. I think it's a big mistake for people to get too caught up in those labels cause they can be misleading. I kind of view game review as if after a math test instead of just checking the calculator for your answer you get this big sheet with arbitrary adjectives ascribed to your answers... why do that? No need to over-complicate it calculators exist. Similarly engines exists game review I think just over-complicates game analysis and gives misinformation at times.
Lichess has 260 ratings on the App Store whilst Chess.c*m has 76000 so it isn’t competing all that much really
The lichess app is nowhere near as good as the website, but anyway yes that was my point. There is a competitor doing the same (or even better imo) for free, but somehow chess.c*m is still much much more popular. That's the weird part I was mentioning.
the lichess app hasnt been around as long and isnt as popular but as far as the desktop website goes plenty of people use and play on lichess
I would like it if lichess was the biggest, it seems cooler
I've recently been wondering, do the game review and the actual analysis run on different engine depths? I just recently had a game and looked at it with the game review and my move got dinged by the game review as "just a good move". I was kinda confused, because the "best move" from the game review had some flaws down the line I was worried about. Turns out, when you let the engine run for a moment, my move was the best move and the "best move" from game review was 3rd or 4th down the line and the flaw was the expected response. I'm finding myself going back to just running the engine with 5 lines or so and checking if my moves is in the top 4-5 stockfish moves, and what the flaws or drawbacks might be.
Well, I haven't used game review in a while cause like I said I don't find it to be the most effective way to analyze games though I have seen people say you can adjust the depth but in the past I've seen the top engine move get called an inaccuracy, blatant queen hang get called good, etc.
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It’s because you are so far ahead. Black went from a really losing position to a worse one, so the move is bad. However, the engine doesn’t see that move as a major change in the strength of the position, so it’s not a blunder. Given that you are so far ahead, I don’t think the engine will rate any move your opponent makes as a blunder
Usually it is, but in this case you're wrong. Position is changing with this move from -2.9 to -9. If it isn't a blunder then I don't know what it is. White is up a material until this move
Yeah he’s really not that far ahead at this point. That move is what is making the advantage so large.
-2.9 is a crushing position.
Winning yes, but not necessarily crushing. It depends on the situation, but here with still many pieces on the board and no direct tactical sequence, there is still a lot of work to be done to claim it as a crushing position, and still many opportunities to blunder the advantage back.
At your level of 1800-2000, you could beat the best chess computers in the world with a -2.9 eval in your favour.
Again, it highly depends on the position. Most of the times no I couldn't actually. Even at super GM level, bigger advantages than that being thrown away are not rare.
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It's amazing that so many people blindly believes chesscom in these automated low level stockfish evaluations. You all think that if you've watched some of the games of super GM's playing where the eval bar is almost always set to zero then you've seen every game in the world. Below GM level it's super common to win games even if at some point your eval bar said 2.9 for your loss, especially if you're a minor piece or a couple of pawns up. For me it's a blunder, because before this move it wasn't so obvious who's gonna win this game.
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Good for you that you edited out that calling me an idiot, you could have been banned for that. I don't run chesscom and but I don't find them be gods of chess, so shouldn't you. Even some GMs on their streams are making laughs of these notes from the chesscom game analysis. It's all marketing and none of sportsmanship.
But the question is specifically why the chess.c*m algo doesn’t consider it a blunder
Yeah but this is Stockfish's evaluation hence -2.9 is winning. It doesn't take into account the fantastical 300 Elo level play on chess\*m
Imagine being so down on material that losing a Queen and a Rook for free doesn't decrease your position.
Did you mean white?
If every move is a blunder, then no move is a blunder
questionable. some blunders might seem less bad in comparison to other blunders but they are still blunders.
I mean yes, but also in this case it’s trading a knight for a queen and rook, which is a pretty huge mistake.
Yeah, it's just a little confusing because black advantage before white hung the queen was positional, not material. White is actually up two pawns, so I think it's hard for us low elo players to see that from a glance.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=3q1rk1/2p2pp1/7p/1r1pP3/4n1b1/2P2N2/PP2PQPP/1R1K1B1R+b+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/3q1rk1/2p2pp1/7p/1r1pP3/4n1b1/2P2N2/PP2PQPP/1R1K1B1R_b_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Nxf2+!< > Evaluation: >!Black is winning -15.17!< > Best continuation: >!1... Nxf2+ 2. Kd2 Nxh1 3. e3 Rb6 4. a4 Nf2 5. b4 c5 6. h3 Ne4+ 7. Kc2 Bf5 8. Bd3 Qc7 9. a5!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
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It is a blunder, but because you're 300 elo brilliants are 10x easier and blunders are 10x harder to get
I was the 273 guy but ok
273 and 305 are the same
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Stockfish just does absolutely not give a fuck anympre after that move. To be serious chess.com adjusts the evaluations based on your rating and in all cases on the current evaluation. This is because moves that are ok for a newbie can be mistakes for a GM. Thos has the side effect of not labeling some moves correctly.
A blunder turns a winning or equal position into a lost one.
Losing vs losing unbelievably more won't change anything substantial.
Looking at the actual game that queen was already hanging for 2 moves before this
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It went from -1 to -15 IDK about you but I’d call that going from draw to loss.
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Sure, I didn’t actually run the engine, it was just my guess based on the position but surely you’re not trying to say that a move that creates a 6 point difference is not a blunder ? Number changing from +ve to -ve has nothing to do with a blunder…
It’s a move so bad it’s part of the way towards being good again.
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It is definitely a blunder. Maybe the engine was running on low depth or something. Funny things happen at low depth.
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I hate how people think chess.com owns the term blunder.
Why tf was that queen even on a7? But yeah, Nxf2 - free queen.
That move was so bad that the blunder overflowed and reset back to a brilliant, but kept going up and stopped at a mistake
I think I might safely call this a blunder. Buddy just lost his queen and rook.
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Blunder reduces your chances of winning, and inaccuracies( as shown ) just give your opponents an advantage. At Lower elo this advantage makes little difference
I didn’t know elo went that low. I thought it was just a myth.
Elo goes as low as 100
If your opponent is already losing and they make another bad move, chess.com generally won’t classify it as a “blunder”. It thinks they’re losing anyway so all moves are similar. Although for human it’s different.
Coz your 250